:00:42. > :00:48.Good morning and welcome. A very loud blast this Sunday morning
:00:48. > :00:52.against the tyranny of State imposed orthodoxy, madness, a
:00:52. > :00:57.grotesque some version of universally accepted human rights,
:00:57. > :01:01.the very strong words of the Roman Catholic cardinal Keith O'Brien who
:01:01. > :01:04.was attacking David Cameron over for the proposal for same-sex
:01:04. > :01:11.marriage. Brian wandering of this could turn out to be David
:01:11. > :01:17.Cameron's version of the hunting ban -- I am wondering. It could be
:01:17. > :01:21.similar to the hunting band that Dr Tony Blair. Plenty to talk about in
:01:21. > :01:24.the Sunday newspapers conducted with verve and precision, I am sure,
:01:24. > :01:30.by the choir master Gareth Malone, and by the Conservative MP Margot
:01:30. > :01:33.James. There is something rather strange about this morning's papers,
:01:34. > :01:37.you may think, and it is the huge coverage given to the departure
:01:37. > :01:40.from Number Ten who was never elected, was hardly a household
:01:40. > :01:45.name and is best known for wandering around without any shoes,
:01:45. > :01:50.but the loss of Steve Hilton, David Cameron's radical guru has become a
:01:50. > :01:53.trigger for those people who think the government has lost its way and
:01:53. > :01:58.with any radical edge. It is said he has resigned partly in
:01:58. > :02:02.frustration over the party's position on Europe. We are joined
:02:02. > :02:05.by the leading Tory least constrained by coalition, Boris
:02:05. > :02:09.Johnson, as he launches his campaign for re-election, does he
:02:10. > :02:13.share the fears that his party's identity is getting muddy and the
:02:13. > :02:16.policies of it to water down? And we will talk about some of the
:02:16. > :02:20.specific battles ahead for government ministers, the one over
:02:20. > :02:24.Scotland's future with the Scottish Secretary Michael Moore. When will
:02:24. > :02:28.the independence referendum come? And the row over the police and
:02:29. > :02:32.press. I'll be asking the Lader -- Labour deputy leader Harriet Harman
:02:32. > :02:40.has she thinks ministers should react. We will go abroad as
:02:40. > :02:43.Vladimir Putin faces the voters in Moscow. Finally, a great opera diva
:02:43. > :02:49.is brought back to life on the London stage by a great actress.
:02:49. > :02:53.Tyne Daly tells us about playing Maria Callas and about her role in
:02:53. > :03:02.the cult US cop series which many of us remember fondly, Cagney and
:03:02. > :03:05.Lacey. So, a lot to come. First, One of the most senior Roman
:03:05. > :03:09.Catholics in Britain has made an outspoken attack on the
:03:09. > :03:12.Government's plans for gay marriage. David Cameron says he supports the
:03:12. > :03:15.right of extending marriage to homosexual couples, but the
:03:15. > :03:18.Cardinal Keith O'Brien, the leader of the Catholic Church in Scotland
:03:19. > :03:23.said that redefining marriage would shame the United Kingdom in the
:03:23. > :03:27.eyes of the world. People in Russia have begun voting to elect a new
:03:27. > :03:31.President. Opinion polls suggest the Prime Minister and former
:03:31. > :03:37.President Vladimir Putin is the clear front-runner, but four
:03:37. > :03:40.candidates are challenging him for the position. The voting is under
:03:40. > :03:43.way in the presidential election in Russia. Vladimir Putin, who has
:03:43. > :03:47.already been in charge of the country for the past 12 years,
:03:47. > :03:51.either as president or prime minister, is widely expected to win.
:03:51. > :03:56.But the vote is taking place after a wave of unprecedented protests
:03:56. > :03:59.against his continuing role. The protests were sparked by evidence
:03:59. > :04:06.that the parliamentary election last December was rigged in favour
:04:06. > :04:10.of the ruling party. Voting began in the far east of Russia. In
:04:10. > :04:14.Vladivostok, at first a trickle of voters arriving at polling stations
:04:14. > :04:19.to cast their ballots for one of five candidates contesting the
:04:19. > :04:25.election. By late morning, polling stations were getting busier here
:04:25. > :04:29.in Novosibirsk in western Siberia. Officials hoping for at least a 50
:04:29. > :04:33.% turnout. Alongside the large number of election observers, on
:04:33. > :04:38.the walls above them, newly installed a web cams to reassure
:04:38. > :04:41.voters there will be no stuffing of ballot boxes once they leave. The
:04:42. > :04:46.other question is whether the candidates on offer provide voters
:04:46. > :04:51.with a real choice. Certainly this billionaire businessman, Mikhail
:04:51. > :04:57.Prokhorov, is unlikely to win much support. But instead he may help
:04:57. > :05:02.split the opposition vote. For that win shop Vladimir Putin has a
:05:02. > :05:06.comfortable victory in the first round -- that may help Vladimir
:05:06. > :05:10.Putin to a comfortable victory in the first round. At least 15 people
:05:10. > :05:13.have been killed and more than 50 injured in Poland in what is being
:05:14. > :05:16.described as one of the worst train crashes in the country for many
:05:16. > :05:21.years. Officials say two trains were involved in a head-on
:05:21. > :05:25.collision in a small town north of Krakow. Rescue workers are trying
:05:26. > :05:29.to reach passengers trapped inside. Here, new evidence has emerged as -
:05:29. > :05:33.- at the scale of cuts faced by charities in the UK. A leaked
:05:33. > :05:37.report obtained by the Labour Party suggests funding for the sector
:05:37. > :05:42.will go down by at least �1 billion in the current financial year. The
:05:42. > :05:46.government has criticised the reports methods. Many people across
:05:46. > :05:51.the United Kingdom reported seeing a large bright fire ball in the sky
:05:51. > :05:54.last night. Scientists say it was almost certainly a meatier, but
:05:54. > :06:00.some witnesses were initially worried and said it looked as if
:06:00. > :06:08.they play was about to crash. -- a meteor. We will be back with the
:06:08. > :06:12.The papers in a moment, but first, voting is under way in presidential
:06:12. > :06:18.elections in Russia and this seems to be very little doubt about the
:06:18. > :06:22.result. President using, will face challenges, assuming he is elected.
:06:22. > :06:25.Tony Brenton was ambassador to Moscow at a very difficult time in
:06:25. > :06:30.Russian relations and he joins me now. You faced some abusive and
:06:30. > :06:35.horrible treatment from the Vladimir Putin regime in your day.
:06:35. > :06:41.Assuming that he is elected, and we should do looking at the opinion
:06:41. > :06:44.polls, so why should he be in trouble afterwards? He is facing
:06:44. > :06:48.the biggest setback to his political popularity and standing
:06:48. > :06:52.since he initially became President in the year 2000. Suddenly a
:06:52. > :06:59.significant portion of the Russian elite have said they have had
:06:59. > :07:02.enough of Vladimir Putin and want a change. Not enough ordinary
:07:02. > :07:06.Russians feel like that so he will lose today, but sadly the people
:07:06. > :07:10.who fixed the elections for him, judges to give their verdicts for
:07:10. > :07:14.him, all of that are beginning to say they will not do this anymore.
:07:14. > :07:19.So on the assumption he is re- elected, he will have a great deal
:07:19. > :07:26.of difficulty running Russia in the way he has been running it. So when
:07:26. > :07:30.we see the demonstrations in Moscow, like a snow lead to hear Square, we
:07:30. > :07:34.have not seen at the next phase of a popular result against Vladimir
:07:34. > :07:40.Putin, it is a middle-class revolt? It is based in the big cities,
:07:40. > :07:45.Moscow, St Petersburg, but these are the Russian elite.
:07:45. > :07:48.important is it that he is being mocked now? People are starting to
:07:48. > :07:52.not taken seriously and laugh at him and no one likes being laughed
:07:52. > :07:59.at. It is very important. It is very difficult to rule a country if
:07:59. > :08:04.you are a source of laughter rather than fear. Britain has been worried
:08:04. > :08:12.about the Vladimir beauty regime for a long time with the live
:08:12. > :08:15.flamenco events -- the poisoning event. Any signs relations are
:08:15. > :08:21.getting better? The Prime Minister was therefore a successful visit
:08:21. > :08:25.last year. In the area of trade, things are going well and official
:08:25. > :08:28.relations are as warm as they can be given that there is unfinished
:08:28. > :08:31.business over the poisoning murder. There are people who are keen to
:08:31. > :08:36.pursue what they can, but unfinished business remains
:08:36. > :08:40.unfinished. To remind people who don't remember, tell us a little
:08:40. > :08:46.bit about what happens to you when you were there. There was this
:08:46. > :08:52.Russian youth movement, which is in fact take Vladimir Putin front.
:08:52. > :08:59.was a Russian Hitler Youth, sort of. I made a bland speech in the wake
:08:59. > :09:03.civil servants do, about how society was developing and the use
:09:03. > :09:07.front took eight -- took offence and demanded an apology. So they
:09:07. > :09:12.then barricaded my house, followed me round the country and try to
:09:12. > :09:15.shout me down at my meetings and this went on for a few months.
:09:15. > :09:20.Pretty horrible. And do you think that after this election it
:09:20. > :09:24.Vladimir Putin will have to behave in a different way? A lot will
:09:24. > :09:30.depend on what happens today. If there is blatant fraud, as there
:09:30. > :09:34.was back in December, he will face a very strong resurgence of
:09:34. > :09:39.demonstrations against him. If they can be more subtle about its then,
:09:39. > :09:44.nevertheless, he will have to modify the way he runs the country.
:09:44. > :09:49.There are already moves he has made to open up the political system to
:09:49. > :09:53.try and deal with corruption. I am optimistic. The problem is not
:09:53. > :09:58.solved, Vladimir Putin will win and be there for another six years at
:09:58. > :10:03.least, but the pressure is on him to gradually changed Russia into a
:10:03. > :10:09.more democratic direction and that feels very strong to me. And any
:10:10. > :10:13.chance he will come away from his position of support for the Syrian
:10:14. > :10:18.President and those old-fashioned cold war alliances? He has slightly
:10:18. > :10:22.distanced himself but as he looks at Syria and Egypt and Libya he
:10:22. > :10:27.sees a worrying reflection of what the situation might be in Russia.
:10:27. > :10:33.He's not going to endorse political movement backed by the West, as he
:10:33. > :10:36.claims, overthrowing governments. The Russian authorities have been
:10:36. > :10:39.watching the fate of Hosni Mubarak, and now are watching him on trial
:10:39. > :10:44.and thought, there but for the grace of God go I. Absolutely
:10:44. > :10:49.fascinating. Thank you for being here this morning. Now to the
:10:49. > :10:54.paper's review, and speaking of Syria, there is the Sunday Times
:10:54. > :11:00.with a fascinating interview with its fascinating that -- winded
:11:00. > :11:05.photographer who has escaped from Homs. The Observer Leeds on a story
:11:05. > :11:08.about the blacklist of workers linked to the police. It picks up
:11:08. > :11:15.the steep hills and story I mentioned earlier saying that
:11:15. > :11:22.Cameron promises to continue his radical programme. I mentioned the
:11:22. > :11:28.cardinal in angry mood. There are tears. -- they eat these. And the
:11:28. > :11:32.Mail on Sunday reminds us says that after dictatorships things do not
:11:32. > :11:42.become smooth, because there are British war graves in Libya which
:11:42. > :11:49.have been desecrated by Libyans Both of you, thank you very much
:11:49. > :11:53.for coming in. Who is going to start us off? Margo Jones -- Margot
:11:53. > :11:59.James, the same-sex marriage story, and I expect you will not be
:11:59. > :12:04.impressed by the cardinal's view. No, I never amok when the views are
:12:04. > :12:09.expressed in such apocalyptic language, and I think it's an ex --
:12:09. > :12:15.and an acceptable way for people to talk. The government is not try to
:12:15. > :12:21.force Catholic to perform gay marriages. It is a civil marriage,
:12:21. > :12:26.a least that is my understanding, but dug up what about his argument
:12:26. > :12:29.that the word marriage is being arguably changed. When a civil
:12:29. > :12:32.partnership legislation went through, the churches were telling
:12:33. > :12:36.us that was going to be undermining marriage and would be the end of
:12:36. > :12:41.marriage as we knew it, and that hasn't happened at all. Marriages
:12:41. > :12:47.have in fact shown an increase in the last year. There think this
:12:47. > :12:53.sort of scaremongering is what it is. The language is very strong.
:12:53. > :12:58.Fire and brimstone, yes. I see that Steve Hilton is leaving us for
:12:59. > :13:02.sunnier climes. He is clearly a man who likes to wear shorts, and I
:13:02. > :13:07.cannot think why he is leaving to go to Stanford University in
:13:07. > :13:14.California to see his family at this time. And this story about
:13:14. > :13:17.soldiers not able to afford to eat and they are paid fairly poorly.
:13:17. > :13:22.Because of my experience of working with the military I've become quite
:13:22. > :13:26.concerned about the welfare of their families, and they have to
:13:26. > :13:29.consume 2,900 calories a day, which is a massive amount of food.
:13:29. > :13:33.Apparently when they are based in this country they have to pay for
:13:33. > :13:39.their own food, and they cannot afford to do that. It is obviously
:13:39. > :13:44.very close to your heart, all of this. The single did fantastically
:13:44. > :13:54.well with the Military Wives. For the very small number of people who
:13:54. > :14:09.
:14:09. > :14:12.missed it first time round, let's This is a very optimistic and up
:14:13. > :14:17.form of television, a million miles away from the theatre of cruelty
:14:17. > :14:22.that some reality television has been. Do you think there has been a
:14:22. > :14:26.change in the public mood, because it is being lapped up? I think so.
:14:26. > :14:29.There are enough bad news stories and wait and - when we sit to watch
:14:29. > :14:34.down entertainment we want something uplifting. There have
:14:34. > :14:39.been so many programmes that are about misery and argument. There is
:14:40. > :14:43.a programme this week, Make Bradford British, and five or 10
:14:43. > :14:50.years ago that would have been full of argument but it seems more
:14:50. > :14:54.optimistic now. There is generally the kind of warm mood. Returning to
:14:54. > :15:04.the Steve Hilton story you mentioned, you have a story about
:15:04. > :15:11.
:15:11. > :15:14.I am sure the loss won't be as keenly felt as people predict. One
:15:14. > :15:22.of the reasons he is going is because he wants to spend more time
:15:22. > :15:27.with his family in California. His wife works for Google.
:15:27. > :15:30.Clearly, a lot of people in the Conservative Party think he was one
:15:30. > :15:38.of the few people prepared to go up to the Prime Minister, Sheikh him,
:15:38. > :15:47.and say get on with it. A big loss? I think so, yes. But other people
:15:47. > :15:52.can come forward. For those who don't understand why people are
:15:52. > :15:58.making a fuss about Steve Hilton, there is a provocative lying in the
:15:58. > :16:02.Observer saying "Steve Hilton inventive David Cameron, at least
:16:02. > :16:06.he did so in the sense that he was the significant shaper of the
:16:06. > :16:14.public persona or when they were trying to get out of opposition and
:16:14. > :16:22.into government". David Cameron it is his own man, for a start. We are
:16:22. > :16:30.moving into a lot of welfare reform legislation, there is a lot to do
:16:30. > :16:40.to get those implemented properly. It is important focus on that, a
:16:40. > :16:42.
:16:42. > :16:47.priority. Gareth, next story. Apparently migrants are
:16:47. > :16:53.outstripping native pupils in GCSEs. It is my experience that those who
:16:53. > :16:57.have had less opportunity at education often value it more than
:16:57. > :17:04.we do. The to the long-standing phenomenon that people who come
:17:04. > :17:08.into a country have that little bit extra push. The drive is really
:17:08. > :17:14.important, and your attitude to education is important. It gives
:17:14. > :17:22.the example of the 16 year old who came into the classroom only able
:17:22. > :17:27.to say hello, then within two years taking GCSEs. There are question is
:17:27. > :17:34.how we inject that enthusiasm into native form Britain's.
:17:34. > :17:39.difference is only less than 1% so it is not a massive difference.
:17:39. > :17:45.is also those people coming here who have British as a second
:17:45. > :17:50.language, so it is helping their brains, it seems to be an advantage.
:17:50. > :17:55.We were talking about Moscow with the former ambassador, you have
:17:55. > :18:05.chosen a rush and story. I was quite encouraged to hear what the
:18:05. > :18:06.
:18:06. > :18:11.former ambassador said. The human rights abuses in Russia are
:18:11. > :18:14.phenomenal, it is not just the corruption, and the fact the
:18:14. > :18:19.Russian people are going to the polls today with the feeling that,
:18:19. > :18:25.whoever they vote for, they will get Putin. If you look at the polls,
:18:25. > :18:33.it is clear what will happen. Another story. This is very much on
:18:33. > :18:38.my territory. Cinemas are showing opera and ballet. Madam Butterfly
:18:38. > :18:43.will be shown in 3D. This is an opportunity to watch an art form
:18:43. > :18:48.that does not work when you are listening on the kitchen radio. You
:18:48. > :18:55.need the scale of the screen, you need surround-sound to really get
:18:55. > :19:00.it. Ultimately you need to be there. I don't think opera translates at
:19:00. > :19:04.all well on television. I agree, but it is interesting people are
:19:04. > :19:08.flooding into selected cinemas to see it. Yes, but you simply can't
:19:08. > :19:14.get to London if you live in the North of England so it is a great
:19:14. > :19:24.opportunity for people. I mentioned the photographer in Homs writer at
:19:24. > :19:29.
:19:29. > :19:35.the beginning. So brave, so tragic, a tragic loss to journalism. The
:19:35. > :19:40.photographer got away just in time, just after he left the tunnel the
:19:40. > :19:46.exit was bombed by Syrian forces. A lot of people were killed in that
:19:46. > :19:56.escape. The extraordinary story on the front of the Sunday Times. We
:19:56. > :19:58.
:19:58. > :20:04.understand the journalist's body is now being brought back. An
:20:04. > :20:11.interesting tome in the second Sun on Sunday. I thought the mood was
:20:11. > :20:17.set last week in the first edition. It is a more positive paper,
:20:17. > :20:21.wouldn't you say, than the News Of The World it replaced, not so
:20:21. > :20:28.undermining of everything. This interview I picked out with Simon
:20:28. > :20:32.Cowell, talking about the Olympics, X Factor. I understand he has
:20:32. > :20:38.invited Ian Duncan-Smith on to the X Factor after he criticised it.
:20:38. > :20:43.would pay money for that. Perhaps he should be a judge for one
:20:43. > :20:48.special edition. It reflects the whole paper, which is more positive
:20:48. > :20:54.intone than the paper it replaced. I also see the Archbishop of York,
:20:54. > :21:01.one of our favourite Archbishops on this programme, he is carrying on
:21:01. > :21:09.his column on the Sun on Sunday. He is talking about charity. We have a
:21:09. > :21:14.story about the weather, Gareth. have misplaced it, but... There are
:21:14. > :21:20.amazing pictures of the effects of the tornado in the United States.
:21:20. > :21:26.Yes, a shocking situation. There is a positive news story to round it
:21:26. > :21:33.off, a baby has been found alive and well amongst devastation.
:21:33. > :21:38.that note, thank you. The strange vision in the sky, not the meatier
:21:38. > :21:42.you may have seen last night but that soft wet stuff we
:21:42. > :21:47.traditionally called Rain, which we have seen much less of than usual
:21:47. > :21:57.this winter. Remember, as Billy Connolly once said, there is no
:21:57. > :21:58.
:21:58. > :22:03.such thing as bad weather, just Waterproof clothing and an umbrella
:22:03. > :22:07.would be appropriate today. It will feel cold, but it will feel
:22:07. > :22:12.particularly cold if you are stuck underneath the cloud and rain. It
:22:12. > :22:16.is turning wetter in the south-west this morning. There is the
:22:16. > :22:23.possibility of some sleet and snow on the back edge of this wet
:22:23. > :22:32.weather across the hills in the north. It will be easing East,
:22:32. > :22:38.further west it will be drying up a bit. There will be some showers,
:22:38. > :22:41.wintry in the north-west. Up to eight degrees in the West, but more
:22:41. > :22:47.chilli in the east. The wind will be picking up, making it feel
:22:47. > :22:54.colder. This could turn to more sleet and snow, it is marginal at
:22:54. > :23:01.the moment. Overnight, clear skies and some icy patches. Tomorrow,
:23:01. > :23:07.cold, wet, windy still a cross East Anglia. This no turning back to
:23:07. > :23:11.rain I suspect, but miserable here. Very few showers around,
:23:11. > :23:16.temperatures in single figures at best book particularly cold in the
:23:16. > :23:19.south-east and East Anglia. It is useful rainfall that drought
:23:19. > :23:22.affected area. Scotland's future is much under
:23:22. > :23:24.discussion. A conference in Edinburgh on Friday, organised by
:23:24. > :23:28.the Times newspaper, brought together many of the key political
:23:28. > :23:32.players, including the First Minister, Alex Salmond. He of
:23:32. > :23:34.course wants a referendum on independence, but not just yet.
:23:34. > :23:38.Meanwhile David Cameron is offering more devolution, but it's not clear
:23:38. > :23:46.quite what that means. To explain why, I'm joined by the Scottish
:23:46. > :23:54.Secretary, Michael Moore, who's at the Lib Dem conference in Inverness.
:23:54. > :23:58.Good morning. Can I start by asking about the timing of this referendum
:23:58. > :24:03.because it is clear the nationalists are determined it will
:24:03. > :24:08.happen in the autumn of 2014, while many other people would like to see
:24:08. > :24:12.it happen before that, possibly next year. Who will win that
:24:12. > :24:17.next year. Who will win that tussle? We are in a discussion, but
:24:17. > :24:21.the point you made about not having it yet strikes most people as a bit
:24:21. > :24:27.bored because the SNP has existed to deliver independence since it
:24:27. > :24:32.was created, and we have set out how you can do this within 500 days,
:24:32. > :24:36.rather than 1000 days that the First Minister thinks we need. We
:24:36. > :24:41.are in the middle of the debate about what our future should be. It
:24:41. > :24:46.is so important that we should seek to have it as soon as possible. We
:24:46. > :24:52.are beginning to see evidence that the uncertainty is damaging major
:24:52. > :24:57.companies, so let's get on with the debate. But you can't force the
:24:57. > :25:06.First Minister of Scotland, the elected Scottish government, to
:25:06. > :25:10.have the referendum before they want to have it, can you? We are
:25:10. > :25:13.showing people their options and we have consultations out at the
:25:13. > :25:18.moment. We know the Scottish parliament does not have the power
:25:18. > :25:22.to run the referendum, I want to work with him to make sure we
:25:22. > :25:27.devolve the powers to make sure we have a legal referendum. It is
:25:27. > :25:31.important it is decisive, and we get it as soon as possible. That
:25:31. > :25:35.discussion it is ongoing, but in Scotland most people want to see it
:25:35. > :25:40.happen sooner than later. Can I turn to what the Prime Minister
:25:40. > :25:44.said when he was in Scotland recently. He clearly said there
:25:44. > :25:51.would be more devolution of some kind if Scotland did not vote for
:25:51. > :25:55.independence, but he was not clear what that might mean. Can you then
:25:55. > :25:59.lightened us any further? What the Prime Minister recognised was the
:25:59. > :26:05.debate on further powers for devolution for Scotland is ongoing,
:26:05. > :26:09.it has been going for generations. What he made clear is there will be
:26:09. > :26:14.no change to the legal settlement around devolution until after the
:26:15. > :26:19.referendum results whether we are going our separate way or not, but
:26:19. > :26:23.he acknowledged the debate will continue. We are looking at what
:26:23. > :26:28.those powers might look like. The Labour Party said yesterday it is
:26:28. > :26:33.looking at that as well, there will be a broad debate and over time we
:26:33. > :26:42.will agree what they should be. give people some sense of what that
:26:42. > :26:46.might be, one option would mean the Scottish parliament would be having
:26:46. > :26:52.to raise income tax and possibly corporation tax the same proportion
:26:52. > :26:57.of money roughly speaking as is spent in Scotland, about 60% of the
:26:57. > :27:01.total - is that the kind of thing you think is on the table? At the
:27:01. > :27:06.moment, we are looking to transfer the most significant package of
:27:06. > :27:11.financial powers from London to Scotland. But much less than that?
:27:11. > :27:16.Yes indeed, it is a smaller package than the things you are looking at,
:27:16. > :27:22.but the debate about what types of taxation we should devolve is a
:27:22. > :27:25.lively one. We have got a very ambitious thought about the
:27:25. > :27:30.different taxes that could be devolved, but we are not the only
:27:30. > :27:37.ones in that debate. The Labour Party, the Conservative Party, the
:27:37. > :27:41.trade unions, even the SNP has a role in that. We will have a damn
:27:41. > :27:46.good argument, and hopefully come to an agreement. To be clear, you
:27:46. > :27:51.would like more powers going beyond the Scotland Bill that is going
:27:51. > :27:55.through at the moment to be devolved in due course? If we
:27:55. > :28:00.reflect on the debate over the generations, we have always debated
:28:00. > :28:04.the ideas, come together, found common ground. You must be able to
:28:04. > :28:12.say whether you would like to see more devolution of powers to
:28:12. > :28:17.Scotland or not. Yes, I would. As a party, we have long argued that.
:28:17. > :28:22.The thing is, we do that by consensus. We need to work with
:28:23. > :28:26.others and then deliver it. That being the case, it is clear from
:28:26. > :28:30.the polls that Scottish voters would like at least three options
:28:30. > :28:35.on the agenda when they vote. They would like the status quo to be
:28:35. > :28:39.there, they would like full independence to be there, and some
:28:39. > :28:44.form of extra devolution to be there. If that is what people want
:28:44. > :28:49.on the ballot paper, why not let them have it? I think people want
:28:49. > :28:54.more powers, I agree with that, and as a Liberal Democrats I want to
:28:54. > :28:59.see that over time, but separate to that I think people want the
:28:59. > :29:05.central issue resolved - will we be staying in the United Kingdom or
:29:05. > :29:09.not? We need a single question to resolve that, and then we can talk
:29:09. > :29:14.about what the extra powers will look like. We don't need a
:29:14. > :29:19.referendum to have the permission about the debate, the argument is
:29:19. > :29:25.already under way. On the straight forward union or not argument, who
:29:25. > :29:28.will lead your campaign? Win will have a broad-based campaign.
:29:28. > :29:34.Alistair Darling will be part of it, we will have senior figures from
:29:34. > :29:38.the Liberal Democrats as part of that as well, and people from
:29:38. > :29:43.beyond politics will also be part of that, because there is a
:29:44. > :29:49.positive case to be made for Scotland staying in the UK. Let me
:29:49. > :29:54.ask you about what a local man, Keith O'Brien, the Cardinal has
:29:54. > :29:58.said about gay marriage this morning. Very strong words, really
:29:58. > :30:07.warning everyone that if you persist with that, you will get
:30:07. > :30:12.into a headlong confrontation with Let's be clear, we are consulting
:30:12. > :30:15.on this, but there are two important points. We are not
:30:15. > :30:19.seeking to change religious marriage or impose it on religious
:30:19. > :30:24.groups. What we are saying is that where a couple loved each other and
:30:24. > :30:28.wish to commit them to life, they should be able to have a civil
:30:28. > :30:33.marriage, irrespective of their sexual orientation. There will be a
:30:33. > :30:39.lively debate, a considered debate, but I think it is important.
:30:39. > :30:44.you find the cardinal's language inflammatory? I was in the Vatican
:30:44. > :30:47.a couple of weeks ago talking to cardinals and others about the big
:30:47. > :30:53.issues of our time that affect the church, and we can have strongly
:30:53. > :30:58.expressed opinions and a lively public debate. Important we reflect
:30:58. > :31:02.on the central issue, which is that we enable people to have access to
:31:02. > :31:06.civil marriage, irrespective of their sexual orientation. Michael
:31:06. > :31:10.Moore, thank you for joining us. The Scottish Secretary, Michael
:31:10. > :31:15.Moore. And you can see an interview with the First Minister Alex
:31:15. > :31:19.Salmond on Sunday Politics at 11:30pm. Opera buffs can spend
:31:19. > :31:24.hours debating who was the great soprano of the 20th century, but
:31:24. > :31:27.one name will always be at the top, the incomparable Maria Callas. Up
:31:28. > :31:36.on stage brilliance was almost overshadowed by her collar for
:31:36. > :31:41.offstage life, her riches, lovers, tantrums and her life. Tyne Daly
:31:41. > :31:45.has been receiving rave reviews for her performance as Maria Callas,
:31:45. > :31:50.and the play Masterclass is about the drive to be the best and what
:31:50. > :31:55.became after the glory faded. Tyne Daly, welcome. This has been a
:31:55. > :32:05.hugely successful play in New York as well as London. She still
:32:05. > :32:09.attracts immediate attention, But I just got a 12th biography to
:32:09. > :32:13.read, and I am studying this woman, and she is a very fascinating, but
:32:13. > :32:18.what is interesting about icons is that people tend to paste their own
:32:18. > :32:26.agenda on top of them. The mother's book, the husband's book, the
:32:26. > :32:31.sisters book, they all have a take on her. She was great to write
:32:31. > :32:37.about, a poor background, tough growing up during the war, but she
:32:37. > :32:43.was a bit of a monster, wasn't she? They're very, very tough woman.
:32:43. > :32:49.was an exacting the artist and amazing what she did as a musician
:32:49. > :32:58.and as a singer. But her life has these Greek proportions and these
:32:58. > :33:03.huge happenings with death, betrayal, the mob turning on the
:33:03. > :33:08.and lots of wonderfully dramatic things. She was a huge celebrity.
:33:08. > :33:14.In the play, you play her when her voice is pretty much gone and she's
:33:14. > :33:19.doing a masterclass in New York. Explain to us, for young singers.
:33:19. > :33:22.People who have had important careers come to the music school
:33:22. > :33:27.and pass on what they can to young singers. Because you are a great
:33:27. > :33:32.singer doesn't necessarily make you are -- a great teacher. She's tough
:33:32. > :33:37.and also searching around about how to communicate with them. Thereby
:33:37. > :33:42.hangs a tale. The events in the classroom take her into her private
:33:42. > :33:48.life and she has two arias at the end of both acts which are about
:33:48. > :33:53.her inner world. When people say she's the ultimate diva, we talk
:33:53. > :33:56.about words changing, it is now just become a slightly obstreperous
:33:56. > :34:02.and bad behaviour, but it should mean much more than that. It was
:34:02. > :34:06.something that was burnt in the old day, meaning divine, meaning
:34:06. > :34:13.something wonderful that you did. Some people are wonderful at what
:34:13. > :34:16.they do because they involve concentration and energy. But it is
:34:16. > :34:24.a cheapened word. It has gone to mean someone who is bad tempered
:34:24. > :34:28.and lousy to be around. I don't know. She had a particularly strong
:34:28. > :34:32.relationship with London audiences. She was very revered here which
:34:32. > :34:40.made it extra dangerous to do the play here. In New York City she was
:34:40. > :34:42.fired at the met and last gala -- and the opera house, and there were
:34:42. > :34:47.people who could not take the heat of her passion, but she was adored
:34:47. > :34:51.here and had her best successes here, I would say. People talk
:34:52. > :35:00.about people dying from a broken heart, do you think she did? Yes, I
:35:00. > :35:04.do. I think the first 15 years, between 15 and 30, she worked like
:35:04. > :35:10.a dog and then she changed her entire self, physical and interior
:35:10. > :35:13.self, and the next 15 years of the glorious. And then she was a tired
:35:13. > :35:23.lady and she spent nine years with this man who she thought was going
:35:23. > :35:23.
:35:23. > :35:27.to marry her and he traded upwards for Mrs Kennedy. Those of us of a
:35:27. > :35:34.certain generation we know you, above all, and you get it all the
:35:34. > :35:39.time, for Cagney and Lacey. That is OK with me. Let's remind people, he
:35:39. > :35:49.is a little bit of the theme. -- here is a little bit of the opening
:35:49. > :35:55.
:35:55. > :35:58.We were talking about the toll that performance can bring, but this was
:35:58. > :36:03.a tough time for you, because your character has young children, but
:36:03. > :36:06.as an actress, doing huge numbers of episodes of Cagney and Lacey,
:36:06. > :36:13.you had young children as well, so it must have been a physically
:36:13. > :36:18.demanding period. The television show is 14 or 15 hours a day for an
:36:18. > :36:23.actress. The crew can work for 12 hours, then they have to have a 12
:36:23. > :36:27.hour break, but you have to come in, turning to that lady and then stop
:36:27. > :36:32.being a lady and do the day of work. We were averaging 14 or 15 hours a
:36:32. > :36:40.day, which is a lot. I had two little kids and I gave birth to my
:36:40. > :36:45.third in the middle of the run, but I was comparatively young. And this
:36:45. > :36:50.was a ground-breaking show as well, because your character had
:36:50. > :36:58.alcoholism problems and there was tough stuff happening at home.
:36:58. > :37:03.Breast cancer, date rape. All of this bad stuff. We were not used to,
:37:03. > :37:08.in those days, cop shows which carried on after you had hunger of
:37:08. > :37:15.the bunch at the end of the day. we didn't go home with coach Jack
:37:15. > :37:21.or Colombo. -- with Co Jack. So in the time we were in, could there
:37:21. > :37:26.was LA Law in the States that were interested in more than what you
:37:26. > :37:31.did free-living, but what else you did besides your job. -- what you
:37:31. > :37:39.did for a living. After that there was NYPD Blue, which in many ways
:37:39. > :37:42.picked up the formula and ran with it. Maybe so. In the States we are
:37:42. > :37:46.back to procedure shows where all you do is watch people pick up
:37:46. > :37:51.little pieces of things and put them in little bags, and I'm glad I
:37:51. > :37:56.don't have that job. You are still friends with your co-star? Yet, she
:37:56. > :37:59.was here doing her play and I thought we were going to be on at
:37:59. > :38:05.the Strand together but it was not to be so. It was like a wrestling
:38:05. > :38:10.tag team. You are still with us for another couple of months. Yeah,
:38:10. > :38:13.until April and the audiences are very exciting. We were warned that
:38:13. > :38:17.the English audience would not be responsive. Yes, but we have
:38:17. > :38:25.changed. I am finding it really exciting to be here. The fact you
:38:25. > :38:30.Last week was pretty momentous and theatrical at the Levinsen inquiry.
:38:30. > :38:33.It started with a very senior police officer talking of the
:38:33. > :38:37.culture of illegal payments at the defunct News Of The World. Quite
:38:37. > :38:42.separately, another journalist from the Sun has been arrested. All of
:38:42. > :38:45.this is shining a powerful light at the media, the police and also
:38:45. > :38:49.politicians to have to decide what to do about this. I am joined by
:38:49. > :38:54.the Labour deputy leader Harriet Harman. Thank you for coming in.
:38:54. > :39:00.How serious do you regard the stuff that is coming out of the Leveson
:39:00. > :39:06.Inquiry? Corruption at the police level? Corruption in journalism, is
:39:06. > :39:12.that if there were to use? I think it is immensely serious -- if that
:39:12. > :39:17.is a fair word to use. I think the problems that have been so evident
:39:17. > :39:22.before the Leveson Inquiry need to be dealt with. We have seen clear
:39:22. > :39:27.allegations of bribery of the police by the newspapers. We pride
:39:27. > :39:32.ourselves in being a non corrupt country, yet the police, of all
:39:32. > :39:37.public services, being subjected to bribery and corruption. Not just
:39:37. > :39:43.being subjected, taking it happily. In deed, being corrupted. We have
:39:43. > :39:47.also seen backing of a murdered girl's telephone, and having been
:39:47. > :39:52.told for years that this is just one road reporter, it appears it
:39:52. > :39:56.was systematic illegal hacking. -- one rogue reporter. We have to make
:39:56. > :40:01.sure that we have a press in this country which is not above the law,
:40:01. > :40:05.which does not corrupt public officials to break the law, and
:40:05. > :40:09.which respects their own journalists code. We have a great
:40:09. > :40:14.tradition of British journalism and we have to protect that tradition
:40:15. > :40:19.and we sort matters out. For years these concerns have been expressed,
:40:19. > :40:23.and there has never been that moment where it could be sorted out.
:40:23. > :40:28.Many politicians have been too scared, frankly, of the big media
:40:28. > :40:35.barons to take them on. I think that is right. I think Rupert
:40:35. > :40:39.Murdoch has been too powerful and has played divide and rule. What we
:40:39. > :40:45.now have is the opportunity to sort this out. What we have is
:40:45. > :40:50.enforcement of the law, protection of individuals, and never allowing
:40:50. > :40:54.so much media power to go into her hand of an individual so he plays
:40:54. > :40:57.one party against the other and puts himself above the law and
:40:57. > :41:02.above government. I started off by saying that in the end it all ends
:41:02. > :41:05.up in the laps of politicians. Are you saying you want to see two
:41:05. > :41:10.things? You want another look at diversity of ownership in the
:41:10. > :41:14.British media? I think it is evident if you have one man owning
:41:14. > :41:19.four major newspapers, the son, News Of The World, the Times,
:41:19. > :41:25.Sunday Times. 37 % of the newspapers are owned by one man and
:41:25. > :41:27.that was obviously too powerful. Ofcom, the regulator, is doing an
:41:27. > :41:33.inquiry into whether we should change the rules to prevent
:41:33. > :41:37.monopolies growing across media. We need to look at newspapers as well,
:41:37. > :41:43.but also the enforcement of the Press Complaints code which has
:41:43. > :41:48.been quite a toothless. He's your instinct that you would not want to
:41:48. > :41:54.see state regulation of the press, however? -- is that your instinct?
:41:54. > :41:58.We need to see better regulation of broadcasting. But in relation to
:41:58. > :42:01.the newspapers, I think the editors giving evidence to the Leveson
:42:01. > :42:04.Inquiry so they must have independent redress for complaints
:42:04. > :42:09.and it cannot be the newspaper editors marking their own homework
:42:09. > :42:13.and are making themselves judge and jury, but it also must apply to
:42:13. > :42:18.everyone. It cannot just be something you have to opt into. All
:42:18. > :42:22.newspapers must be covered by the code and it must be enforced. The
:42:22. > :42:26.problem with the Press Complaints Commission chairman is proposing is
:42:26. > :42:29.that it still allows an editor to decide he will not play ball with
:42:29. > :42:36.that and will stay outside the system. That is not acceptable.
:42:36. > :42:41.There is a big dilemma that if you do have legally enforceable and
:42:41. > :42:46.statutory regulation, you have political regulation, in a way. No
:42:46. > :42:51.one seems to have come up with a way around that yet. Obviously, you
:42:51. > :42:56.need independence. Independence from the newspaper editors. They
:42:56. > :42:59.cannot judge when they are held to account, but nobody wants
:42:59. > :43:04.governmental determination of what the newspapers do, so the challenge
:43:04. > :43:09.is to make sure we have a system that applies to everyone and in
:43:09. > :43:14.terms of all the newspapers and actually which is independent of
:43:14. > :43:17.the editors. I can work out what I think the solution is, but I am a
:43:17. > :43:21.politician. It is much better if the newspaper editors themselves
:43:22. > :43:25.say, these are the principles we all agree on, and here is our
:43:25. > :43:31.proposal about how it can be made to work in practice, and therefore
:43:31. > :43:35.we can been at it. Do you think the opposition and the government can
:43:35. > :43:39.find a consensus on this in Parliament? A I think we should do.
:43:39. > :43:43.I think no political party, if you believe in the rule of law and the
:43:43. > :43:47.sovereignty of the people in democracy, it is in all of our
:43:47. > :43:51.interest to get this sorted out. One of the ironies is that Murdoch
:43:51. > :43:55.has played divide and rule. The question is, on the back of all the
:43:55. > :43:59.evidence that has come out of this, can we say now is the historic
:43:59. > :44:05.moment where we actually agree together that we will sort this out
:44:05. > :44:08.in the interests of a free press in our democracy? The you have any
:44:08. > :44:12.sympathy with journalists to say these extremely aggressive dawn
:44:13. > :44:16.raids by the police are an over- reaction by police who are really
:44:16. > :44:21.guilty themselves and have come into the spotlight and are taking
:44:21. > :44:25.it out on some of the journalists they used to deal with? Why do not
:44:25. > :44:29.want to comment on the operational actions of the Police -- I do not
:44:29. > :44:33.want. They have to do this investigation without fear or
:44:33. > :44:38.favour. Beware that has been evidence of illegality there must
:44:38. > :44:42.be prosecutions and people must be held to account, but beyond that we
:44:42. > :44:45.need a framework that Sir -- sorts out a problem that everybody knows
:44:45. > :44:49.has been going on and has never been dealt with, which has been
:44:49. > :44:54.corrupting democracy. Can I ask you about one of the story in the
:44:54. > :44:59.papers today, about reports that there is a possible deal inside the
:44:59. > :45:06.coalition that would allow, maybe as early as the Budget, a cut in
:45:06. > :45:10.the 50 p higher rate of tax, and in return some kind of makeshift tax.
:45:10. > :45:17.What would be the Labour attitude to that? You only pay 50 p on
:45:17. > :45:20.income over �150,000. If you're on over �150,000, you can afford that.
:45:20. > :45:25.You're not worried about the cost of filling up your car or whether
:45:25. > :45:29.you can pay your next gas and electricity bill. The irony is, in
:45:29. > :45:32.April, the cutting tax credit for low income working families is
:45:32. > :45:38.coming into effect that there should be even a discussion about
:45:38. > :45:44.reducing the tax liability of those on income over �150,000 per year. I
:45:44. > :45:48.think it is grossly unfair. I also think we have a macro economic
:45:48. > :45:52.concern that the cuts are too far and too fast which could reduce the
:45:52. > :45:56.deficit, but there is also the issue of fairness. The people who
:45:56. > :46:06.should be paying are those who can most afford it, not those on lower
:46:06. > :46:14.
:46:14. > :46:23.You steered a lot of equalities legislation through, when the
:46:23. > :46:27.Cardinal is talking about same-sex marriage being one step too far,
:46:27. > :46:33.and warning that there will be a real fight about this, do you have
:46:33. > :46:38.any sympathy for that position? Were have had discrimination and
:46:38. > :46:44.homophobia for hundreds of years, and it doesn't make it right. To
:46:44. > :46:49.have same-sex marriages, I think that is right. Do you think it is
:46:49. > :46:53.the prejudice... I do not want anybody to feel this is a licence
:46:53. > :47:00.for whipping up prejudice. I think there is a public policy discussion,
:47:00. > :47:05.we are clear where we stand on it, but I think what you're talking
:47:05. > :47:09.about his individual people and their personal relationships, their
:47:09. > :47:15.love for each other and wanting to be in a partnership and getting
:47:15. > :47:22.married, and I think we should support that. A what did you make
:47:22. > :47:26.of the language when you read it this morning? I hope it will not
:47:26. > :47:30.fuel prejudice and discrimination. We have made great strides towards
:47:30. > :47:35.a fairer society but we still have a long way to go so I don't want
:47:35. > :47:41.this to be pulling things back. Thank is.
:47:41. > :47:46.In a couple of months' time, people in several major cities in England
:47:46. > :47:51.will have chance to elect their own mayor. In London, the current mayor
:47:51. > :47:57.is Boris Johnson, who is seeking re-election for a second term. He
:47:57. > :48:02.has brought in Boris bikes, and if he had his way London would have a
:48:02. > :48:07.new airport as well. He is a staunch defender of the financial
:48:07. > :48:14.sector as well, which is not universally popular these days, and
:48:14. > :48:19.he joins me now. Good morning. Can I start by asking, of course most
:48:19. > :48:23.people watching are not from London, but how seriously some of the tax
:48:23. > :48:27.changes we have been talking about earlier in the programme would
:48:27. > :48:33.effect London. We have been talking about a possible so-called mansion
:48:33. > :48:39.tax. From my point of view, I don't want anything that does damage to
:48:39. > :48:44.the London economy in any way, and I will be arguing for a Budget that
:48:44. > :48:48.promotes growth. The things I want to see particularly our investment
:48:48. > :48:54.in infrastructure in London, building new homes for people who
:48:54. > :48:57.can't afford to get on the housing ladder, and improving our creaking
:48:57. > :49:02.transport infrastructure. That is where I think the money should be
:49:02. > :49:07.going and that is a point I have made repeatedly to government. At a
:49:07. > :49:14.time of rising youth unemployment, I would like to see more done to
:49:14. > :49:17.help people get young people into the place of work. If they can be
:49:17. > :49:21.National Insurance holidays for businesses to encourage them to
:49:22. > :49:27.take young people on, that would be a great thing. Rather than obliging
:49:27. > :49:32.them to work for nothing? On that argument, I am on the side of those
:49:32. > :49:37.who think some sort of work experience is better than nothing.
:49:37. > :49:44.If you talk to people who are involved in getting people into
:49:44. > :49:50.work, they think it is better for them to be getting skills, than on
:49:50. > :49:53.benefits. They are was clearly a potentially successful Liberal
:49:53. > :49:59.Democrats campaign inside the government for a mansion tax, how
:49:59. > :50:05.do you react to that? We will have to see how that comes off. I am not
:50:06. > :50:13.keen on anything that disadvantages the city. What I will say is that
:50:13. > :50:17.if there is something that could, you know, if you want to savour
:50:17. > :50:22.billion pounds and you want to do something on housing, and we have
:50:22. > :50:28.done all sorts of things to build new homes in London, but you should
:50:28. > :50:33.crackdown on stamp duty. There is a billion pounds being lost... People
:50:33. > :50:38.are evading stamp duty. He it is the scandal, and more and more
:50:38. > :50:42.people are mentioning it to me. People have wised up to the fact
:50:42. > :50:48.that rich people can set up a company to buy the property they
:50:48. > :50:52.want and they are not paying stamp duty. I would crack down on tax
:50:52. > :50:58.avoidance of all kinds. This proposal for a mansion tax is not
:50:58. > :51:02.something that worries you? We will have to see what it is. As far as I
:51:02. > :51:07.understand it, there is no agreement in the coalition.
:51:07. > :51:13.Obviously, in a city like London, you will find many more people who
:51:13. > :51:18.might be hit by such attacks. I would much rather that we stop
:51:18. > :51:23.focusing so much on bashing people, and started thinking about what we
:51:24. > :51:29.can do to help people into work. That is what I mean by supporting
:51:29. > :51:34.things like National Insurance holidays, infrastructure, those are
:51:34. > :51:40.the things that will drive jobs and growth over the next 10 years.
:51:40. > :51:48.about getting rid of the 50 pence rate? Again, this subject, we have
:51:48. > :51:55.been round it quite a lot, I don't think it is a good thing for London,
:51:55. > :52:05.for the UK, over the long term, to have rates of tax that are
:52:05. > :52:08.
:52:08. > :52:16.conspicuously higher than our global competitors. One country is
:52:16. > :52:21.about to put 75p on, if the Chancellor gets his way. That's his
:52:21. > :52:28.if he gets his way. I want to help young people into work and
:52:28. > :52:32.crackdown on tax avoidance of all kinds. There is a big push from the
:52:33. > :52:37.Heathrow third runway lobby, presumably you would want to see
:52:37. > :52:42.that argument reopened? I don't think it is right to build a third
:52:42. > :52:48.runway at Heathrow. If you look at the measures proposed, the extra
:52:48. > :52:54.capacity, they are trying to load a tennis court into a pint pot. I am
:52:54. > :53:00.not in favour of it. It is not just the noise pollution, it is the
:53:00. > :53:04.congestion in that part of London, it is not a good idea. What about
:53:04. > :53:09.the growth agenda, which you have talked about, because there are a
:53:09. > :53:15.lot of people who say at all costs we must expand airport capacity in
:53:15. > :53:20.this country, particularly in the south-east. We just have to get
:53:20. > :53:25.ahead and build more airports. think the growth agenda certainly
:53:25. > :53:30.revolves around transport infrastructure. If you look at the
:53:30. > :53:34.history of London and the growth of this city, it was built by people
:53:34. > :53:40.who had the imagination to electrify the railways and send
:53:40. > :53:46.them out into suburbs not dreamt of. What I want to do it is, if you
:53:46. > :53:51.look at the tube network we have at the moment, it is about to be 150
:53:51. > :54:01.years old. There is a massive opportunity to modernise and
:54:01. > :54:08.automate that you system and take it forward so that it is better
:54:08. > :54:12.than it is now. What about the condition of your Conservative
:54:12. > :54:17.Party friends? Steve Hilton going off to California, no doubt because
:54:17. > :54:21.his wife wants to be there and the rest of it, but there is a big
:54:21. > :54:26.worry that the edges being lost from conservatism, that the process
:54:26. > :54:32.of coalition is moving and grinding away the edges. Is it radical
:54:32. > :54:37.enough, this government? What the government needs to do, and what I
:54:37. > :54:42.think they are doing very well, is stop the nonsense. What Harriet
:54:42. > :54:47.Harman was talking about with the Labour approach, it was Labour's
:54:47. > :54:50.fiscal approach that got us into this mess. You have got to do
:54:50. > :54:56.something about that approach to spending and I think it is
:54:56. > :55:00.important to cut waste and focus on what matters. I want the government
:55:00. > :55:06.to help us in London to power through the recession. One of the
:55:06. > :55:11.arguments going on is the extent to which government can start to tear
:55:12. > :55:16.up a lot of the regulations that have arrived over the years from
:55:16. > :55:21.Brussels and from Europe without leaving the EU. Do you think more
:55:21. > :55:27.should be done for instance there? It is certainly true that Britain
:55:27. > :55:32.is punctilious in obeying EU regulations in a way that other
:55:32. > :55:36.European nations are not. I certainly think we gold plate it,
:55:36. > :55:42.we put so much spin on the ball that would make it very difficult
:55:42. > :55:51.some time for businesses to comply in a reasonable way. Are you in a
:55:51. > :55:57.real fight in London, do you think? A of course, this is the greatest
:55:57. > :56:01.job - you have advertised the other positions coming up - but I think
:56:01. > :56:05.this is the most wonderful job coming up. Anybody would expect
:56:05. > :56:13.this to be a knock down contest because it is a fantastic job to be
:56:13. > :56:19.able to do. Has doing this job changed you? Yes, it has. A in what
:56:19. > :56:29.way? I suppose I did not have, let's be totally clear, I was not
:56:29. > :56:30.
:56:30. > :56:36.thought of as a municipal body, I think we have got a lot better at
:56:36. > :56:42.what we are doing. Do you think you have become more serious? For it is
:56:42. > :56:47.probably true that, to do a job like running London, being the
:56:47. > :56:51.mayor of London, you have to focus very hard on things that really
:56:51. > :56:57.matter to people. This is a city that is going through tough times
:56:57. > :57:02.economically, and I think the way forward now is for us to do a
:57:02. > :57:06.series of things that may not be, we may not see the immediate
:57:06. > :57:13.advantage of investing in infrastructure in transport, but if
:57:13. > :57:16.we don't, we will be in trouble in 10 years' time. A biographer said
:57:16. > :57:22.the thing about Boris Johnson is that he could give so much more
:57:22. > :57:27.than he has. Will we be seeing you on the national stage, whatever
:57:27. > :57:33.happens in London? By will be doing my best to give whatever I can.
:57:33. > :57:38.This job is absorbing mentally, emotionally, 100 sent it to
:57:38. > :57:43.something I love doing and I want to continue doing. Whether I will
:57:43. > :57:50.be lucky enough to do anything else in politics, I very much doubt.
:57:50. > :57:53.Thank you. And we'll hear from some of the
:57:53. > :57:56.other key London mayoral candidates over the next couple of weeks. Now
:57:56. > :58:00.over to Naga for the news headlines. Michael Moore was told this
:58:00. > :58:05.programme he favours the transfer of more powers over to the Scottish
:58:05. > :58:10.government in Edinburgh. Alex Salmond has said he will launch the
:58:10. > :58:15.campaign for Yes vote in the referendum in May, although he does
:58:15. > :58:20.not want the vote to take place himself until 2014. The next used
:58:20. > :58:24.on BBC One is at 11:30am. Let's see what is coming up after this
:58:24. > :58:33.programme. In York this morning, we will be
:58:33. > :58:37.asking if we should promote united British identity. As Israel's Prime
:58:38. > :58:42.Minister travels to Washington to discuss air strikes on Iran, we ask
:58:42. > :58:48.is Iran a real threat? Also, or should we listen to the angels?
:58:48. > :58:52.This woman has a message from them to the world.