:01:48. > :01:52.In less than two months Londoners will go to the polls to decide who
:01:52. > :01:59.they want for their mayor. I will be talking to Ken Livingstone who
:01:59. > :02:03.is hoping to win back his old job. When his plan to cut the tube fares
:02:03. > :02:09.help transport him back to City Hall? As the violence continues in
:02:09. > :02:15.Syria, how credible is President Assad's reign that he will end the
:02:15. > :02:20.killing there. We will be talking about Zimbabwe and a remarkable
:02:20. > :02:26.film and book about resistance to Robert Mugabe. The Archbishop of
:02:26. > :02:31.York will be here, along with the author and human rights activist.
:02:31. > :02:35.We will talk to matters closer at home as well. One of this year's
:02:35. > :02:45.big musical discoveries will be performing a track from his debut
:02:45. > :02:51.
:02:51. > :02:54.album. He will be playing live later on.
:02:54. > :03:01.Japan is marking the first anniversary of the devastating
:03:01. > :03:06.earthquake and tsunami which killed nearly 20,000 people. The memorial
:03:06. > :03:11.service was in Tokyo and a minute's silence was held nationwide at
:03:11. > :03:15.exactly the time the Earth quickstep.
:03:15. > :03:21.The national service of remembrance was alleged by the Emperor. At 46
:03:21. > :03:26.minutes past two in the afternoon, the precise moment the earthquake
:03:26. > :03:30.struck, there was a moment's silence. Earlier at dawn handfuls
:03:30. > :03:37.of people gathered for small, private remembrance services in the
:03:37. > :03:42.area hit by the tsunami. This area is still a wasteland and there has
:03:42. > :03:46.been very little building. In the area around the Fukushima nuclear
:03:46. > :03:52.plant the population has moved out and it may be decades before they
:03:52. > :03:56.can come back. Total disaster was only just avoided. The legacy is a
:03:56. > :04:01.loss of faith in nuclear power not just in Japan, but in many places
:04:01. > :04:05.around the world. Wearing protective clothing, some residents
:04:05. > :04:12.were allowed back briefly to a spot less than a mile from the nuclear
:04:12. > :04:16.plant. They laid flowers in memory of those who died. In a sign of
:04:16. > :04:26.hope for the future they planted cherry trees. Someone, one day may
:04:26. > :04:30.
:04:30. > :04:36.An American soldier has opened fire on Afghan civilians, killing at
:04:36. > :04:41.least three and wounding several others after walking off from a
:04:41. > :04:46.base in Kandahar. It is thought the soldier suffered a mental breakdown.
:04:46. > :04:50.NATO officials are investigating the incident Roman Catholic Church
:04:50. > :04:56.in England and Wales is stepping up its campaign against the
:04:56. > :05:00.Government's plan to legalise SAM- sex marriage. Two most senior
:05:00. > :05:04.Archbishops say the change would reduce the significance of marriage
:05:04. > :05:10.and that Catholics have a duty to make sure it doesn't happen.
:05:10. > :05:14.This is the traditional form of marriage between a man and a woman,
:05:14. > :05:20.the Roman Catholic hierarchy is determined to preserve. In their
:05:20. > :05:25.letter, the Archbishop of Westminster and the Archbishop of
:05:25. > :05:30.Southwark, flatly reject the Government's view that allowing
:05:30. > :05:40.same-sex couples to marry is a matter of equality. They say it has
:05:40. > :05:43.
:05:43. > :05:47.to be, by its nature, to be between people of opposite sex. They say:
:05:47. > :05:54.They tell Catholics they have a duty to do all they can to ensure
:05:54. > :05:59.the true meaning of marriage is not lost for future Jeanations.
:05:59. > :06:05.Archbishop Smith has asked parishioners to sign a pettition
:06:05. > :06:11.against it. He would like to rally Roman Catholics to a political
:06:11. > :06:16.battle against the measure. Another thing that is said is, "Oh, this is
:06:16. > :06:21.just about the couple who want to get married" well, it isn't just
:06:22. > :06:29.about the same-sex couple who want to get married. This affects the
:06:29. > :06:35.whole of society. Last week, the Roman Catholic leader in Scotland
:06:35. > :06:40.announced his own attack, describing the idea as madness and
:06:40. > :06:44.the growesque sub version of a universally accepted human right.
:06:44. > :06:50.The deputy Prime Minister, Nick Clegg, will, today, call for this
:06:50. > :06:57.month's Budget to include more tax cuts for the least well off. Mr
:06:57. > :07:04.Clegg will also repeat his call for a so-called tycoon tax, to clamp
:07:04. > :07:10.down on tax avoidance by the very rich. Prince Harry has been drawing
:07:10. > :07:15.the clouds in Brazil. His approach proved to be a big hit in RIIA
:07:15. > :07:19.where he met a samba band before going on a tour of one of the
:07:19. > :07:24.city's poorest areas. Thank you very much. In Syria, the
:07:24. > :07:29.Army has launch the a new assault yesterday, showing some of the
:07:29. > :07:35.centres against the uprising. The military operation has raised fears
:07:35. > :07:42.of a new, all-out offensive. Earlier, I was joined by a member
:07:42. > :07:48.of the senior Syrian National Council, doctor Kodmani is head of
:07:49. > :07:53.the foreign relations Council and I asked her if she believed that the
:07:53. > :07:59.talks would bring any relief to the situation. Relief, first of all,
:07:59. > :08:09.definitely. The emergency there is such that I think one first result
:08:09. > :08:10.
:08:10. > :08:15.of Kofi Annan's visit should be the free access for humanitarian
:08:15. > :08:19.assistance. If that doesn't happen, I'm not sure Kofi Annan will be
:08:19. > :08:23.able to continue his mission. So these are the first concrete
:08:23. > :08:26.results that the SNC and the people in Syria would like to see,
:08:26. > :08:34.definitely. In terms of the prospects of his success, we just
:08:34. > :08:39.want to make sure this is not just a mere mediation. For us, from the
:08:39. > :08:44.SNC perspective, there is no way any discussion or dialogue, we
:08:44. > :08:51.don't speak of dialogue, we speak of notions based on a clear plan
:08:51. > :08:57.and that plan, from our perspective and from the Syrians' perspective
:08:57. > :09:04.thousands have died for Assad to go. So him stepping down is definitely
:09:04. > :09:11.a first condition of any discussion, or any notion. Negotiations.
:09:11. > :09:15.sorry, if he says, or appears to says that some ceasefire or end of
:09:15. > :09:21.violence on either side would allow talks, that's not enough for you?
:09:21. > :09:24.You need to hear more from him than that? A ceasefire from his
:09:24. > :09:28.perspective puts both sides on the same level. What the security
:09:28. > :09:34.troops and the army are doing and the atrocities they are committing
:09:34. > :09:37.are not comparable to people on the ground protecting civilians and
:09:37. > :09:41.defending themselves. The people have been fighting a regime and
:09:41. > :09:45.they want the end of this regime. If this is going to be turned into
:09:45. > :09:50.a conflict between two parties, this is not going to go in the
:09:50. > :09:57.right direction. So from all perspectives this needs to be very
:09:57. > :10:04.clear and for Kofi Annan in particular. You're in istian bull
:10:04. > :10:09.rblg white a lot of high-ranking defectors have arrived in Turkey
:10:09. > :10:13.and Turkey seems to be becoming a very important player in this, as
:10:14. > :10:19.long as Russia and other countries refuse to have a kind of united
:10:19. > :10:25.world view on is Syria, Turkey's role seals to be becoming more
:10:25. > :10:31.important? For us, Turkey is going to be a key player in any scenario,
:10:32. > :10:39.in the future. Whether it is a negotiation, and whether it is some
:10:39. > :10:45.form of intervention to create some safe zones, to ensure access for
:10:45. > :10:51.humanitarian aid into the country. Turkey is everybody's best partner
:10:51. > :10:54.here. It is a border country, it has its own concerns and its own
:10:54. > :10:58.security is affected by what happens in Syria at the moment and
:10:58. > :11:05.therefore it will need to be part of any arrangement in the coming, I
:11:05. > :11:10.hope, weeks. As a leading member of the Syrian opposition, what do you
:11:10. > :11:18.say to those people that the trouble is with Assad gone, Syria
:11:18. > :11:22.would break into Civil War? first thing to know is this
:11:22. > :11:26.dictatorship is working every single day and we have examples of
:11:26. > :11:32.that, to incite hatred between communities. And I think this is
:11:32. > :11:38.the answer, when you say this regime is seeking to create those
:11:38. > :11:44.ethnic and religious differences among people and hatred and incite
:11:44. > :11:51.to vengeance, then I think the quicker this regime goes the better.
:11:51. > :11:59.Syrians have many, many stories to tell of how people are bringing in
:11:59. > :12:05.food and smuggling food into hoplts when Baba Amr homes when Baba Amr
:12:05. > :12:09.was under siege. We know that Christians hide some people and
:12:09. > :12:15.people are keeping together and bonding together on the ground in
:12:15. > :12:20.face of this incredibly horrible regime. And I think that indicates
:12:20. > :12:27.that the ground exists, clearly and solidly for all communities to come
:12:27. > :12:31.together. It's a political arrangement that we need. It is not
:12:31. > :12:36.a religious reconciliation operation. People have lived
:12:36. > :12:42.together and the regime has sought to isolate communities, one from
:12:42. > :12:46.the other. To isolate every citizen from any other, because every joint
:12:46. > :12:49.work is a threat to the regime. And therefore people just need to bond
:12:49. > :12:55.together and they have bonded together in the face of the regime
:12:55. > :13:02.and in the face of the atrocities. I think this lays the ground for a
:13:02. > :13:05.political arrangement to emerge from the aftermath of the regime.
:13:05. > :13:11.Doctor Kodmani, a very emotional time. Thank you very much for
:13:11. > :13:17.joining us this morning. And now to the front pages, today. The Sunday
:13:17. > :13:22.Express. Pill to extend life by 20 years. That's not what is being
:13:22. > :13:30.offered free, though. It's a sweet bar. The Sunday Times. A huge story,
:13:30. > :13:38.if all is as reported, English cricket in bung scandal, it says.
:13:38. > :13:45.The Sun has Lampard's pedo uncle and girl. The Observer says that
:13:45. > :13:50.thousands of emergency police have been axed as cuts hit the front
:13:50. > :13:57.line, despite what the Government says about that. And the Mail says
:13:57. > :14:04.top TV game shows face a crackdown, because the games don't involve
:14:04. > :14:10.skill which makes it straight- forward gambling. Here to review
:14:10. > :14:14.the papers are Jenny Jones and Danny Sriskandarajah. You're from
:14:14. > :14:21.the Commonwealth society, it is Commonwealth Day tomorrow, what
:14:21. > :14:26.what happens? It's a big day, especially this year as it is the
:14:26. > :14:31.60th year of Her Majesty being the head of the Commonwealth, so in
:14:31. > :14:37.Westminster Abbey we have a service tomorrow. And you've chosen a story
:14:37. > :14:42.about faith and Christians? That's right. The headline is about a
:14:42. > :14:51.court case two women are bringing about their ability to wear a cross
:14:51. > :14:55.in public. What is fascinating to me is that the stories reflect the
:14:55. > :15:03.shifting sands over public settlement. We're a multi-faith
:15:03. > :15:07.society and what do we think of gay marriage and in a poll here, the
:15:07. > :15:11.majority of the British are in support of gay marriage,
:15:11. > :15:19.unfortunately for David Cameron, the majority of the Conservatives
:15:19. > :15:26.oppose it. So he might have an uphill battle there. And Jenny, you
:15:26. > :15:32.have the elections in London and many communities jostling alongside
:15:32. > :15:39.each other? I still can't believe we're discussing the subject, I
:15:39. > :15:44.think it's so old-fashioned to think that two people of the same
:15:44. > :15:50.sex cannot get married. What is your story? Now, we knew there was
:15:50. > :15:55.a huge amount of fat to be trimmed in most police forces, but I think
:15:55. > :15:59.the Government has gone too fast, too far and people are worried that
:15:59. > :16:05.when they need help it won't be there. And they're taking out all
:16:05. > :16:10.the civilian staff who are doing all the important back-office jobs,
:16:10. > :16:15.so the police will have to do all the paperwork instead of being out
:16:15. > :16:20.on the streets. Does that mean there is still a lot of paperwork
:16:20. > :16:25.to be done when the police to anything? That's fair. You have to
:16:25. > :16:31.know how they do their job and how to measure it, so some form filling
:16:31. > :16:39.is necessary. But clearing out the civilians who do the jobs is not
:16:39. > :16:47.the way forward. And I have the story about Prince Harry and his
:16:47. > :16:57.travels, he's now in Brazil. A huge hit it seems. He challenged Bolt to
:16:57. > :16:57.
:16:58. > :17:03.a run. And today he's taking part in a new campaign for publicity to
:17:03. > :17:07.get people to come and visit the United Kingdom. I think there was
:17:07. > :17:12.an unsettling picture on the front of the Sunday times which appears
:17:13. > :17:18.to be Prince William running along, but, in fact, it was Prince Harry
:17:18. > :17:27.wearing a mask. I think it's unsettling. This is even more
:17:27. > :17:32.unsettling. In the People. The Jamaican Prime Minister who has
:17:32. > :17:37.announced she wants a Republic, and the Prime Minister is hugging
:17:37. > :17:47.Prince Harry saying, "I want the Queen to quit" and Prince Harry
:17:47. > :17:50.
:17:50. > :18:00.saying, "So does my dad." The Queen is the symbolic head of state.-Of-h
:18:00. > :18:00.
:18:00. > :18:06.of -- of the Commonwealth. Jenny. Can I move on to the next story.
:18:06. > :18:10.please yes. This is about the Tories suggesting they are going to
:18:10. > :18:17.reintroduce the Thatcherite right to buy policy on Council houses. At
:18:17. > :18:22.a time when we have an incredibly dysfunctional housing polite in
:18:22. > :18:29.Britain, because of the economic situation and mortgages, actually
:18:29. > :18:35.selling off Council houses is the worst thing you could do.
:18:35. > :18:40.Greens in favour of an extra tax on big houses? That's not specifically
:18:40. > :18:45.our policy. At the moment there is a story in the Sunday Telegraph
:18:45. > :18:51.that the Lib Dems are split over the tycoon tax or the Manchesteron
:18:51. > :18:55.tax. Honestly, why not have both? We have an incredibly unequal
:18:55. > :19:01.society, why not address it. We have to lift people out of society
:19:01. > :19:11.and we need every measure we can find. An interesting thought.
:19:11. > :19:13.
:19:13. > :19:23.Danny? An interesting story is a viral video about the leader of the
:19:23. > :19:30.Lord of the army in Uganda coming out? And he used children? He's
:19:30. > :19:35.highest on the list of wanted people. It a's a half-hour video
:19:35. > :19:43.promoted through social media. In fact I found out about it, because
:19:43. > :19:49.Stephen Fry Tweeted about it earlier this week. And this video
:19:49. > :19:55.has 67,000 downloads in the past few days. And it's being talked
:19:55. > :20:00.about as the sort of new way of campaigning, of getting people
:20:00. > :20:05.behind a campaign like this. But it has been controversial because
:20:05. > :20:10.you're encouraged to give money and get back wrist bands and there is
:20:11. > :20:16.some questioning about where the money is spent. And if you give
:20:16. > :20:21.money quickly enough this guy will be found. That's right and the
:20:21. > :20:27.point about the Lords' resistance army is they're not active in
:20:27. > :20:31.jugged jugged at the moment. And this piece also talks about the
:20:31. > :20:40.vanity of celebrities who have been tweeting about it and putting it on
:20:40. > :20:48.their Facebook page. It makes them feel good. Yes. And it has been the
:20:48. > :20:52.anniversary of the Japanese tsunami and earthquake disaster. I haven't
:20:52. > :20:59.seen the Mail on Sunday before today, I didn't go out and rush out
:20:59. > :21:04.and buy it but it does have a very good article on page 29. It's by
:21:04. > :21:08.somebody who is pro-nuclear. And he talks about the devastating
:21:08. > :21:14.possibility of having to pay billions and billions for clean-up.
:21:14. > :21:19.And he says that Sellafield is a stinking pond. It's a fairly
:21:19. > :21:24.damning article, I woe say. It's about the true cost of nuclear, you
:21:24. > :21:30.would argue? Exactly and this Government is now planning a new
:21:30. > :21:35.generation of nuclear stations. Backtracking on all their talk
:21:35. > :21:41.about sustainable energy and wind aerge. We'll be talking about wind
:21:41. > :21:49.farms later on. Danny, you've picked up something to make all
:21:49. > :21:56.maefrd men sqirm? Absolutely. This is a piece of research that shows
:21:56. > :22:02.that only one in ten married men do more washing and cleaning and
:22:02. > :22:12.domestic chores than their wives. And strangely, we're both sitting
:22:12. > :22:17.on the sofa today. Absolutely. In fact, I just did a load of washing
:22:17. > :22:22.before I came to the studio today. It shows that the gendered roles in
:22:22. > :22:26.the home continue. And you have a story about women executives I
:22:26. > :22:32.notice. Yes, well in the home, I don't think it matters what you do,
:22:32. > :22:37.as long as you do morals the same amount. I don't think it matters
:22:37. > :22:42.whether one does the ironing and one brings in the coal, it's
:22:42. > :22:48.whether you're both working. But this is about the FTSE giants, the
:22:48. > :22:51.number of women on their boards have gone down. In spite of all the
:22:51. > :22:56.Government promises and, you would think, all the more talented women
:22:56. > :23:00.out there now. And why this is happening, I have no idea. It seems
:23:00. > :23:06.they're closing their eyes to some of the best people on the planet.
:23:06. > :23:11.Only time for a couple more stories. Danny? Another internet-related
:23:11. > :23:17.story. This time about the head of NATO command in Europe apparently
:23:17. > :23:21.having information about him retrieved by people who set up
:23:21. > :23:26.false Facebook accounts in his name and are illiciting information from
:23:26. > :23:30.friends and family. And it hints at the emerging security threats by
:23:30. > :23:39.social media. NATO has been one of the leading organisations in
:23:39. > :23:44.getting messages out there..7 have difficulty with this notion
:23:44. > :23:50.that NATO leaders have a Facebook and they're out there chatting to
:23:50. > :23:57.people. Have they nothing better to do? Presumably, it's about getting
:23:57. > :24:06.ahead of the game and being "out there." But people probably do it
:24:06. > :24:11.for them. I hope you're right. Your last story. This is Queen's Park
:24:11. > :24:15.Rangers not getting a goal even though it went over the line. I'm
:24:15. > :24:19.an Arsenal fan, I don't know if that's lost me thousands of votes,
:24:19. > :24:24.but I care about justice and this is injustice, the fact that they
:24:24. > :24:30.would have scored the opening goal which would have changed the nature
:24:30. > :24:34.of the match. And you think the technology should be used?
:24:34. > :24:43.Instantly. There is no need for a referee not to know what happened.
:24:43. > :24:47.Thank you very much. Spring is here, and should we get our shorts out?
:24:47. > :24:52.Temperatures of 20 degrees are forecast for the coming week, let's
:24:52. > :24:55.find out if it is true. Over to find out if it is true. Over to
:24:55. > :25:01.Laura. Watch this space. But, yes, you're
:25:01. > :25:07.right. Beautiful conditions outside and it's pleasantly warm in the
:25:07. > :25:11.sunshine. Ten degrees at the moment. Sunny skies through eastern and
:25:11. > :25:16.southern areas, but cloudier in the north. Through the day, southern
:25:16. > :25:23.counties where we have the cloud it will slowly be nibbled away and the
:25:23. > :25:33.sunshine will show its hand, but for north-west Scotland it remains
:25:33. > :25:37.breezy and damp and drizzly. But the north-east of England is sunny.
:25:37. > :25:42.In southern counties, where it was a little misty to start, the
:25:42. > :25:48.afternoon pans out to be dry and bright with plenty of sunshine.
:25:48. > :25:53.In the west, through the Bristol channel, cloud building up and a
:25:53. > :25:58.little grey in Cardiff, but inland, warm in the sunshine. Northern
:25:58. > :26:03.Ireland, cloudy initially, but skies will brighten through the
:26:03. > :26:10.afternoon. And through the week, the warm weather continues well
:26:10. > :26:15.into next week. So, an dree, we're looking forward to -- and you,
:26:15. > :26:19.we're looking forward to seeing we're looking forward to seeing
:26:19. > :26:25.those legs! Now, with the race for the Mayor of
:26:25. > :26:33.London coming up, people say we should pay more attention to the
:26:33. > :26:37.election, because whoever wins they will have a influence and if Ken
:26:37. > :26:43.Livingstone wins, he would be the most senior elected politician in
:26:43. > :26:53.the country. Ken Livingstone joins me. Welcome.
:26:53. > :26:57.Morning. You would like to cut Tube fares by 7%. Over four years.
:26:57. > :27:03.the question is, therefore, to cut fares, which I'm sure everybody
:27:03. > :27:11.would like, you would have to pull back some of the improvements that
:27:11. > :27:17.the Tube needs. If that happened, I wouldn't do it. 7% cuts is 3% of
:27:17. > :27:21.the transport budget and if you are unable to find 3% of savings and
:27:21. > :27:31.efficiencies in the budget you shouldn't be in public office. But
:27:31. > :27:35.we have a cash mountain inside TfL. There is a �300 million surplus?
:27:35. > :27:39.The budget. But there is a big charge on that, which brings the
:27:39. > :27:45.surplus down much more than that. So, if you are elected and you look
:27:45. > :27:49.at the numbers again and you go through the costs and and you find
:27:49. > :27:55.that wu have to delay or cancel improvements to the Tube you
:27:55. > :28:00.wouldn't cut fares by 7%. But we're only eight weeks away from the
:28:00. > :28:05.election. I know what the budget is like I've had somebody going over
:28:05. > :28:09.the figures. Each year that Boris Johnson has been Mayor he's
:28:09. > :28:14.underspent. We have underspend on investment and all the projects
:28:14. > :28:19.that are under way are the ones I started the funding for. Boris
:28:19. > :28:24.Johnson has only started one project and that's the cable car
:28:24. > :28:29.across the Thames. And it's turning out to be the most expensive in
:28:29. > :28:34.human history. I will start working on new transport schemes but they
:28:34. > :28:41.won't get off the ground until the last year of the Mayorality, and by
:28:41. > :28:51.that time I hope I will be working with Ed Miliband and not David
:28:51. > :28:51.
:28:52. > :28:57.Cameron. But the bikes scheme was yours, but it has his name on it.
:28:57. > :29:06.Yes, it would have been different. Everything that Boris has done is
:29:06. > :29:11.turning out to be the most expensive in the world. Instead of
:29:11. > :29:15.spending �300,000, his is �1.5 million. The small things he's done
:29:15. > :29:21.have ended up a very high price, because he doesn't do the detailed
:29:21. > :29:26.work on it. You want to bring back educational allowance and you're
:29:26. > :29:31.saying it's other people's money. And they may not want to spend it.
:29:31. > :29:36.No. We've been talking to universities and colleges in London.
:29:36. > :29:41.They have small bursaries and funds that together, if you bring them
:29:41. > :29:45.together run by the Mayor office you could recent state the
:29:45. > :29:50.organisation without any charge to others, that is sitting there. What
:29:50. > :29:55.you haven't got, is the money to distribute it. But nobody has
:29:55. > :29:59.signed up to this have they, yet? Nobody is going to come out before
:29:59. > :30:04.the election and say, "We've got this money to give you" because the
:30:04. > :30:11.outcome of the election is uncertain, it's neck-and-neck.
:30:11. > :30:14.the Mayor can't force it, can he? No, not force it. But we've had a
:30:14. > :30:20.really good working relationship with the universities and colleges.
:30:20. > :30:26.They want the kids to finish their education. You have been forthright
:30:26. > :30:33.about rich so and sos I can't say the word, about people who have
:30:33. > :30:40.avoided tax legally and illegally and then it turned out that you
:30:40. > :30:45.took money and paid it at corporation rate. I get loads of
:30:45. > :30:50.money all from different sources, you give it to your accountant and
:30:50. > :30:56.they manage it. You pay corporation tax. If you take it out and spend
:30:56. > :31:03.it on yourself, you have to pay more. What I'm not doing is paying
:31:03. > :31:08.income tax on the money I used to pay other people. But for most
:31:08. > :31:15.people it's straightforward. You pay tax on what you're paid. You
:31:15. > :31:23.don't create a company. everybody has to have somebody to
:31:23. > :31:31.do the accounts. No-one can blame their accountant for this? If I was
:31:31. > :31:35.trying to manage. I have never had vast sources of money from one os,
:31:36. > :31:41.I do afterdinner speaking and other sources. And I pay the same amount
:31:41. > :31:46.of tax as I would do if I'd taken out the money in income tax. But I
:31:46. > :31:52.employ people. That fares scheme we've come up with, it took a
:31:52. > :32:00.talented economist to sit down and spend a lot of time going over the
:32:00. > :32:06.books. And I have people looking at the media. I employ two people. No-
:32:06. > :32:10.one is paying tax on people we employ. And yet so many of your
:32:10. > :32:14.supporters are offended and disappointed and would like you
:32:15. > :32:19.simply to pay some money back. I've paid all the tax on the money
:32:19. > :32:26.that has come to me. But I'm running a small company. I employed
:32:26. > :32:29.my wife for three years to sit in the attic and type up my
:32:29. > :32:36.autobiography. I'm paying the normal rate of tax on the money I
:32:36. > :32:41.take out for myself. But the simple fact is, Boris Johnson had exactly
:32:41. > :32:46.the same arrangements to handle his earnings from television. Almost
:32:46. > :32:50.everybody in the media has the same arrangements. I'm not sure if that
:32:50. > :32:55.is true. Certainly it's one of those arrangements that accountants
:32:55. > :33:02.have pressed on people, but nonetheless, in the end it is a way
:33:02. > :33:07.of avoiding paying income tax. you want to avoid tax you need an
:33:07. > :33:12.off-shore account, like the Barclay Brothers, they don't pay a penny of
:33:12. > :33:18.tax in Britain. I'm not off-shore. I'm running a small company like
:33:18. > :33:24.hundreds and thousands of other people. You said nobody should be
:33:24. > :33:31.allowed to vote in a British election if they are avoiding
:33:31. > :33:37.paying tax. Absolutely. But that is what you're being hoisted with.
:33:37. > :33:42.that's the smear company. I've paid the full rate of tax and I'm not
:33:42. > :33:47.near the full rate of tax. But look where this smear is coming from,
:33:47. > :33:52.the same journalist who came up with all the headlines that I was
:33:52. > :33:55.corrupt and my staff were corrupt and millions had gone missing. Two
:33:55. > :34:01.years later after a police investigation, not a single charge
:34:01. > :34:09.std up and no-one was convicted or formally charged with anything. It
:34:09. > :34:18.is a smear campaign because Boris Johnson's team want to talk about
:34:18. > :34:24.anything butt his policies. And also they have to take about the
:34:24. > :34:30.hypercharge for fares at the peak hours for travel. If I'm elected I
:34:30. > :34:34.will be saying stop using fares as a stealth tax. If you are elected
:34:34. > :34:40.it's also a bit of a referendum on the Labour Party. How important is
:34:40. > :34:50.your success or failure in a few weeks' time in terms of gauging
:34:50. > :34:54.that? A huge national significance. If Boris Johnson is reelected
:34:54. > :34:59.you'll have Cameron on the television saying this is where
:35:00. > :35:04.we're going and a rejection of Ed Miliband. It will also be a
:35:04. > :35:08.referendum on the NHS cuts and the direction her' taking the country.
:35:08. > :35:13.Two-thirds of all the jobs we've lost in this recession have been in
:35:13. > :35:19.construction. What we should see in this pwhugt is a real house-
:35:19. > :35:26.building programme to to get people back to work -- Budget. The obvious
:35:26. > :35:32.debate is not whether you should have a Manson tax or a tycoon tax,
:35:32. > :35:37.it's putting people back to work. That what is the single thing
:35:37. > :35:42.Labour has to do in terms of selling itself? We want to put
:35:42. > :35:47.people back to work. Build homes and upgrade our road system. You
:35:47. > :35:51.put people back to work. They start paying tax and come off benefit.
:35:51. > :35:55.Get people back to work. And there's literally, it isn't just in
:35:55. > :35:59.London, all over Britain, people are on Council waiting lists with
:35:59. > :36:04.no prospect of getting a home. We could build those homes. You give a
:36:04. > :36:08.family a decent home to live in, the children have a bedroom to do
:36:08. > :36:12.their homework in and their health improves. Huge benefits as well as
:36:12. > :36:15.getting people off the dole and into jobs. Thank you very much.
:36:15. > :36:20.Let's turn to the Government now where the coalition marriage is
:36:20. > :36:26.going through a rocky phase. So much so that some commentators are
:36:26. > :36:29.talking about a breakdown this year or the next. The Liberal Democrats
:36:29. > :36:39.Spring Conference, which continues today is giving an airing to some
:36:39. > :36:45.of those contentions. There is energy policy. Over 100
:36:45. > :36:55.Conservative MPs wrote to the Secretary of State for Energy about
:36:55. > :36:57.
:36:57. > :37:05.wind farms. Joining me is the new energy secretary, Danny Alexander.
:37:05. > :37:11.Good morning. Can I ask you about the rate of investment of this
:37:11. > :37:16.country in wind farms and the subsidies are a rate of folly. That
:37:16. > :37:22.we're not nearly getting enough efficiency out of the wind farms
:37:22. > :37:30.and we're spoiling our landscape? Well, I've heard those arguments
:37:30. > :37:35.and I'm happy to have a debate on the facts. Person in policies are
:37:35. > :37:39.very important for our country and how to tackle the environment. And
:37:39. > :37:44.even nuclear. I'm happy to debate all of that, but what I'm not
:37:44. > :37:48.prepared to do is put our economy at risk. And when you look at all
:37:48. > :37:53.the different low carbon technologies, whether it's nuclear,
:37:53. > :37:57.wind or carbon capture and storage, all have risks attached to them and
:37:57. > :38:01.I'm no Mystic Meg. I'm a politician who doesn't know the future and
:38:01. > :38:06.therefore I think when it comes to something as important as energy
:38:06. > :38:11.policy it's important you have a mix, a portfolio, a balance of
:38:11. > :38:19.different options good forward and that must include, in my view,
:38:19. > :38:23.renewbles, and onshore and off- shore wind. Nigh that being said
:38:23. > :38:29.you are pouring tens of millions of pounds of subsidy into the pockets
:38:29. > :38:34.of some of the country's biggest landowners for wind farms some of
:38:34. > :38:38.which are producing 10% or 8% in terms of the amount of energy that
:38:38. > :38:43.they could produce or in theory they could produce. So they are
:38:43. > :38:50.very, very inefficient. The energy is only there when the wind happens
:38:50. > :38:57.to be running and we, as taxpayers are pouring money into it. I ask
:38:57. > :39:02.can the levels of subsidy be right if there is such a boom in wind
:39:02. > :39:06.farms everywhere? I think there are a lot of wind farms put up for the
:39:06. > :39:12.benefit of local communities. And through the benefits of onshore and
:39:12. > :39:17.off-shore wind we're seeing the costs come down. It is kpreefgly
:39:17. > :39:22.competitive with other low-carbon technologies, off-shore wind. And
:39:22. > :39:27.in a few years, people are saying we'll see it completely competitive.
:39:27. > :39:30.This is what a sensible subsidy regime is about. It's about
:39:31. > :39:34.reducing the cost of these technologies that can power Britain
:39:34. > :39:39.into the future decades without causing dangerous climate change.
:39:39. > :39:45.So I think some of the facts you put forward today, I have to tell
:39:45. > :39:49.you, are not representative of the efficiency of many of the more
:39:49. > :39:54.modern wind farms which are very effects and increasingly
:39:54. > :39:59.competitive. On nuclear power, like your pred successful, you've made a
:39:59. > :40:04.personal U-turn, but seens you have now agreed that nuclear power is a
:40:04. > :40:09.good thing what is the logic in producing wind farms but not
:40:09. > :40:14.nuclear power stations where, afterall, the energy does arrive?
:40:14. > :40:18.There is a very clear logic. Nuclear has had subsidies for
:40:18. > :40:22.decades. It is not a new technology, it is a mature technology and
:40:22. > :40:28.therefore it has to come to a point where there is no subsidy and I
:40:28. > :40:32.support the Government's policy in this area that I have inherited.
:40:32. > :40:37.Renewbles are different. These are developing. They are incredibly
:40:37. > :40:40.important and if Britain can get ahead of the game, not just by
:40:40. > :40:44.investing these technologies for our own energy security needs but
:40:44. > :40:48.also developing the industry so we can sell them to the world, this is
:40:48. > :40:55.about huge numbers of green jobs. It's about investment and exports.
:40:55. > :40:58.And I know across the Government when you talk to Conservative
:40:58. > :41:03.colleagues and Liberal Democrat colleagues they know that
:41:03. > :41:08.developing these new technologies it's really good for our economic
:41:08. > :41:13.future. Are you in favour of a tycoon tax? I think it's a really
:41:13. > :41:20.good idea. I've been involved in developing Liberal Democrat tax
:41:20. > :41:25.policy over demise and we agree there are too many loopholes and
:41:25. > :41:31.reliefs that the rich benefit from. We've had a consistent policy over
:41:31. > :41:35.that time to try and tighten up those loopholes and the great thing
:41:36. > :41:41.about the tycoon tax, and I haven't seen the details. That's for the
:41:41. > :41:46.Chancellor and others. Sure. But just in broad terms. You're asking
:41:47. > :41:52.me to speculate on a proposal that the Chancellor is drawing up and I
:41:52. > :42:00.haven't seen. I'm just asking you what it is you're in favour of?
:42:00. > :42:05.Let's be clear. It's basically the idea that millionaire and multi-
:42:05. > :42:10.motor yals should pay a basic level of tax. And shouldn't be able to
:42:10. > :42:15.pay less tax than hard-working families. And I think the Liberal
:42:15. > :42:21.Democrat view in the coalition is clear on this. We want to take the
:42:21. > :42:25.lowest paid out of income tax all together and we want to see big
:42:25. > :42:31.cuts for the middle and in order to fund that we have to make sure that
:42:31. > :42:37.the rich and wealthy are paying their dues. And I think the notion
:42:37. > :42:44.of a tycoon tax addresses that issue. But Vince Cable doesn't seem
:42:44. > :42:50.at all convinced about this. And he thinks it's a diversion from the
:42:50. > :42:56.mansion tax and one that you're more likely to get through the
:42:56. > :43:03.coalition? I think a mansion tax is a good idea. Would it be an either
:43:03. > :43:07.or? No, I don't think it is. There are many ways to tax the wealthy
:43:07. > :43:10.and make sure they pay their dues. Labour failed to tax the rich and
:43:10. > :43:17.wealthy properly and we, the Liberal Democrats in the coalition
:43:17. > :43:21.will make sure we change that. The tycoon tax seems to me to put a
:43:21. > :43:27.floor under the tax allowances and loopholes that people use to avoid
:43:27. > :43:36.tax. I think that's a good idea. And you'd like to see that plus the
:43:36. > :43:41.mansion tax or is it an either/or? You're asking me to reveal...No,
:43:41. > :43:45.Just personal preference? To be honest. I support any measure that
:43:45. > :43:52.ensures the rich and wealthy pay their dues. There are many ways to
:43:52. > :43:56.skin a cat and I think as we debate these, not just in this Budget but
:43:56. > :44:02.future Budgets there are ideas from different parts. But I'm really
:44:02. > :44:09.keen on delivering tax cuts for the low paid and tax cuts for hard-
:44:09. > :44:19.working families across the board. The fact that our tax policy would
:44:19. > :44:26.deliver �60 a month off the ordinary tax bill and that's a huge
:44:26. > :44:32.benefit and would deliver real relief for people in troubles as we
:44:32. > :44:39.clear up Labour's legacy. So there is clearly some stkpeerplt as
:44:39. > :44:43.exactly how to go ahead -- disagreement as exactly how to go
:44:43. > :44:53.ahead, but "fat cats" will be skinned from both ends. I think
:44:53. > :45:01.that's an acknowledgement Over the years, we've been reading
:45:01. > :45:06.about the Arab Spring, but in Zimbabwe Mugabe seems to be still
:45:06. > :45:14.going strong. There has been no real reform. So how can he be
:45:14. > :45:18.challenged? Bin Freeth was a white farmer? Zimbabwe who took the
:45:18. > :45:26.unprecedented step of a legal case to prevent the seizure of his
:45:26. > :45:33.family farm. And he joins me now with the Archbishop of York, Dr
:45:33. > :45:38.John Sentamu who has been a long- standing campaigner against Mugabe.
:45:38. > :45:45.Thank you very much for both of you coming in. Your film was made by
:45:45. > :45:51.your family on hand-held cameras. You had a family farm which was
:45:51. > :45:56.your wife's family. How long had they been on this land? Since the
:45:56. > :46:00.early '70s and then it was given to the Government under a certificate.
:46:00. > :46:04.So we carried on developing the farm and employing people and the
:46:04. > :46:09.story then went on. And it was something of a community. A lot of
:46:09. > :46:14.people living on and around and depending on that farm and then you
:46:14. > :46:19.got more and more aggressive attacks and you took the case
:46:19. > :46:25.against Mugabe personally can you explain what the court was? This
:46:25. > :46:30.was a civic tribunal set up as a result of the treaty signed in
:46:30. > :46:35.19926789 but the court only came into being in 2007. And so we were
:46:35. > :46:40.the very first case into that human rights court in 2007.
:46:40. > :46:45.eventually you won your case but at a terrible, terrible price. You
:46:45. > :46:49.were beaten nearly to death and your father-in-law did die from his
:46:49. > :46:54.wounds and the farm was then burned? Indeed. It was a pretty
:46:54. > :47:02.horrific time. But I think the judgment that we got, we won all
:47:02. > :47:08.the points in law. But obviously on the ground it was horrific. Let's
:47:08. > :47:16.see a clich from the documentary. - - clip from the documentary. This
:47:16. > :47:25.is you confronting one of Mugabe's ministers who arrives on your farm.
:47:25. > :47:31.This is my home. This is your home. We've paid transfer duties to the
:47:32. > :47:37.Zimbabwe government. We voted we didn't steal it. You take hold the
:47:37. > :47:42.land for us. You steal from us. You bring sanctions and you want to
:47:42. > :47:48.cripple us. It will never be a colony again, this country. This
:47:48. > :47:54.film may start to rekidgesed a bit more interest in this country. It
:47:54. > :47:59.seems we can't tolerate more than one set of headlines by dictators
:47:59. > :48:04.at any one time, doesn't it, Archbishop? Yes, the problem of
:48:04. > :48:09.Mugabe has been there for a very long time and there are fits and
:48:09. > :48:12.starts about it, but unfortunately there has been no sustained
:48:12. > :48:17.campaign. Particularly from the countries surrounding it. On there,
:48:17. > :48:22.the clip goes on to say and Mugabe is caught on camera saying,
:48:22. > :48:27."Zimbabwe is mine and no-one will take it away from me." Now once you
:48:27. > :48:33.get a head of state thinking like that. And Zimbabwe is now very much
:48:33. > :48:37.in the hands of other people who have come in, like the Chinese.
:48:37. > :48:43.Chinese are all over. The mining concessions that at the moment
:48:43. > :48:47.they're grabbing are massive. is the mood in Harare? We are.
:48:47. > :48:53.You're no longer farming. But you're still staying there, despite
:48:53. > :48:58.what happened to you? What is the atmosphere at the moment? Rel,
:48:58. > :49:03.Harare is very different to what is happening in the rural areas. The
:49:03. > :49:08.rural areas are very, very tension and not human rights people can get
:49:08. > :49:12.there and there is massive starvation this year again and
:49:12. > :49:17.we'll rely on the international community to feed those people and
:49:17. > :49:22.we'll be going into an eelection where there will be violence. At
:49:22. > :49:26.the moment, the spotlight is off Zimbabwe but the state machinery is
:49:26. > :49:31.going forward to commit the atrocities that have happened in
:49:31. > :49:38.the past, again, and again and again. How important is it for you,
:49:38. > :49:43.Archbishop, to mobilise Church opinion, particularly in Africa.
:49:43. > :49:49.You have some respected Church voices still there? I think those
:49:49. > :49:54.churches have been very vocal. The Archbishop of Cape Town, who went
:49:54. > :49:58.to the capital of Zimbabwe he's been very vocal and the churches
:49:59. > :50:04.are now united in their great opposition. And what I did, when I
:50:04. > :50:13.saw Ben's film with 500 people, I'm a person of action. I said please
:50:13. > :50:21.tie a handkerchief and that knot is tied and will not be untied until
:50:21. > :50:27.Mugabe is gone. So this is in my pocket and I pray every day.
:50:27. > :50:34.this is the next step, you took your dog collar off once. Yes.
:50:34. > :50:38.There is a story in the paper that the Government is going to argue
:50:38. > :50:42.that Christians do not have the right to wear a cross at work.
:50:42. > :50:46.Therefore people who are sacked for wearing crosses that should be
:50:46. > :50:50.legal. What do you think about that? My view is that this is not
:50:50. > :50:53.the business of Government, actually. Because they are
:50:53. > :50:59.beginning to medal in areas they ought not to. I think they should
:50:59. > :51:04.leave that to the courts to make a judgment. Because the Human Rights
:51:04. > :51:09.Act actually says that people should be able to manifest their
:51:09. > :51:18.faith in teaching and working and belief. If somebody wanted to
:51:18. > :51:23.manifest their fact that they are a Christian, they are signed with a
:51:23. > :51:28.cross at their baptism. And they know they're a Christian but they
:51:28. > :51:36.want to show it by waying a cross. So the Government should not raise
:51:36. > :51:44.the bar so high it is unjust. you agree with the Catholic stand
:51:44. > :51:54.on gay marriage? The position to me, I think the tone of the bishop
:51:54. > :51:57.
:51:57. > :52:02.Nickials is interesting, because I think we should be changing
:52:02. > :52:07.attitudes. So you think the tone was not right. No, the tone was
:52:07. > :52:12.very right. But not before? He used words that I wouldn't want to use,
:52:12. > :52:17.because in the end you ignore the issue about why marriage as an
:52:17. > :52:23.institution is necessary, it is good for the stability of families
:52:24. > :52:30.and society. Now that doesn't mean, because I'm one who supports civil
:52:30. > :52:34.partnerships, because we remove the unjust things about them, because
:52:34. > :52:40.legally they were discriminated against and socially they were and
:52:40. > :52:42.all of those have been removed. And there is a difference. There is a
:52:43. > :52:47.difference between civil partnership and marriage and that
:52:47. > :52:50.difference done mean one is better than the other, but they're
:52:50. > :52:54.different. And men and women are complementary to one another and
:52:54. > :52:59.therefore I would have thought if the Government were trying to
:52:59. > :53:05.change the law, it isn't simply saying we're going to allow it to
:53:05. > :53:09.happen, but the definition of marriage is in the 1662 prayer book
:53:09. > :53:13.which went through both parliaments. So they would have to change the
:53:13. > :53:20.articles of the Church of England? They would have to, but the only
:53:20. > :53:26.people who can do it is the General Synod. What would be your message
:53:26. > :53:36.to the Prime Minister? I think my message would be what Charles Moor
:53:36. > :53:42.said in a lovely article he said massive inactivity. So don't press
:53:42. > :53:48.ahead. No, 78% of the population do not believe this is a priority to
:53:48. > :53:54.become law by 2015. I suppose the other side in the end would say
:53:54. > :53:59.it's about a word, the word "marriage." Gay people have enough
:53:59. > :54:08.to cope with in this society perhaps it would be the Christian
:54:08. > :54:14.thing in the church to some -- show some masterly words on the subject.
:54:14. > :54:18.No, I have a letter here. This is from somebody who has been in a
:54:18. > :54:24.civil partner and he said I find myself agreeing with you. I believe
:54:24. > :54:32.that marriage is for a man and a woman, and I personally don't feel
:54:32. > :54:38.a desire to emulate it, I accept my partnership is different as long as
:54:38. > :54:42.I don't suffer from any discrimination legally and socially.
:54:43. > :54:50.So if you're going to listen to all the voices, for me it isn't a
:54:50. > :54:59.question of equality in the end e, it's a question of justice. And
:54:59. > :55:03.once matters are just you need to do this then. You are both going to
:55:04. > :55:10.be speaking at an event this week. Those people who want to do
:55:10. > :55:16.something for Zimbabwe. Is this going to be in London? Yes, at the
:55:16. > :55:20.Royal ghee graphcal society on the 14th. Thank you very much. Now the
:55:20. > :55:24.news headlines. A national ceremony of remembrance has been held in
:55:24. > :55:32.Tokyo in honour of the 20,000 people dead or missing following
:55:32. > :55:37.the earthquake and tsunami that devastated north-east Japan one
:55:37. > :55:42.year ago. A minute's silence was held to mark the exact time the
:55:42. > :55:46.coastline was hit. Roman Catholic Church in England
:55:46. > :55:53.and Wales is stepping up its campaign against the Government's
:55:53. > :55:58.plan to legal lice same-sex marriages. In a letter, the two
:55:58. > :56:05.most senior Archbishops say the move would reduce the significance
:56:05. > :56:10.of marriage and that Roman Catholics have a duty to ensure it
:56:10. > :56:15.doesn't happy. Now back to Andrew, but what is coming up after this
:56:15. > :56:24.programme. Join us for a special edition of
:56:24. > :56:31.The Big Question, we'll be asking one very big question. Is
:56:31. > :56:37.fundamentalism undermining faith? See you at ten on BBC One For a
:56:37. > :56:46.singer-songwriter about to release his debut album when critics
:56:46. > :56:55.compare you to the likes of Otir Redding and Bill Withers, it must
:56:55. > :57:00.be music to your ears. It has rhythms of Uganda, his homeland.
:57:00. > :57:03.Michael Kiwanuka has just won high accolade and he is playing
:57:03. > :57:09.festivals in the summer. And clearly he is on a roll. Welcome,
:57:09. > :57:15.than you for coming in. Than you for having me. Now you are
:57:15. > :57:20.interested in the sounds you first heard when you were much younger,
:57:20. > :57:25.the early '60s sounds. And you recorded that music too? Yes, I
:57:25. > :57:32.heard them and they did something to me. And you're doing an amazing
:57:32. > :57:37.number of fets values. Yes, I like being on the road. We're going to
:57:37. > :57:45.hear from you in a minute. We're almost out of time. Thank you to
:57:45. > :57:52.all my guests. Join me next Sunday when, just ahead of the Budget, my
:57:52. > :58:00.guests will include the Shadow Chancellor. Now, Michael Kiwanuka
:58:00. > :58:07.with I'm Getting Ready. # Oh, my, I didn't know what it
:58:07. > :58:16.means to believe # Oh, my, I didn't know what it
:58:16. > :58:20.means to believe # You if I hold on tight is it
:58:20. > :58:30.true? # Would you take care of all that I
:58:30. > :58:35.
:58:35. > :58:39.# Oh, Lord, I'm getting ready to believe
:58:39. > :58:44.# Then we'll be waiving hands, singing freely
:58:44. > :58:50.# Singing standing tall, it's now coming easy
:58:50. > :58:58.# Oh, no more looking down, honey, can't you see me?
:58:58. > :59:05.# Oh, Lord, I'm getting ready to believe had been
:59:05. > :59:09.# Oh, Lord, then we'll be waiving hands singing freely
:59:09. > :59:15.# Singing standing tall, it's now coming easy