:00:41. > :00:43.Good morning. Welcome, to a nation much of which - not all - is
:00:43. > :00:48.huddled, shivering and drenched, double-dipped, unemployment-mired
:00:48. > :00:58.but good news too. The Sunday Times Rich List tells us the British rich
:00:58. > :00:59.
:00:59. > :01:06.are very doing well, which cheers us all up. But here are the top six
:01:06. > :01:08.names - Mittal, Usmanov, Abramovich, Hinduja, Blavatnik and Bertarelli.
:01:08. > :01:14.The richest person with a traditional British name is the
:01:14. > :01:18.Duke of Westminster, in at number seven.
:01:18. > :01:22.Joining me today for a review of the Sunday newspapers is the lawyer
:01:22. > :01:26.and Labour peer, Baroness Helena Kennedy and Nick what of the
:01:26. > :01:30.Guardian newspaper. We must be different in how we
:01:30. > :01:34.think and how we behave, transparent about what we do and
:01:34. > :01:38.how we do it, above improper influence.
:01:38. > :01:41.Those are the words of David Cameron in the forward to the
:01:41. > :01:45.Ministerial Code of conduct in which, as a new Prime Minister, he
:01:45. > :01:49.set out how his government would rebuild faith in politics and
:01:49. > :01:52.politicians. Now, just a couple of weeks short of his anniversary in
:01:52. > :01:57.Number Ten, Mr Cameron is under intense pressure to demonstrate
:01:57. > :02:01.that he lives up to those words. This culture secretary may be on
:02:01. > :02:05.the rack, but, says Labour, the Prime Minister has just as many
:02:05. > :02:08.questions to answer when it comes to relationships with the Murdochs
:02:08. > :02:12.and their ambitions. This morning, we will hear what he has to say
:02:12. > :02:15.because David Cameron is my guest in the studio. We will be talking
:02:15. > :02:19.just as importantly about the faltering economy. Also this
:02:19. > :02:25.morning, not exactly like relief because it is a Jacobean drama, the
:02:25. > :02:29.Duchess of Malfi which features the bid and love, insane jealousy,
:02:29. > :02:33.murder and strangulation. It almost makes Westminster look moderate.
:02:33. > :02:37.The Duchess is one of the great female theatrical roles. I will be
:02:37. > :02:42.talking to the actress Eve Best, star of the latest production of
:02:42. > :02:50.the plate in London. Finally, from the work of John Webster to his
:02:50. > :02:54.great contemporary, William Shakespeare.
:02:54. > :02:59.This time, it is his sonnets given a contemporary twist in an album
:02:59. > :03:03.which gives new melodies to the instruments of Shakespeare's Day. A
:03:03. > :03:07.lot coming up but first, the news, with Riz Lateef.
:03:07. > :03:10.Good morning. Residents in a block of flat in east London have been
:03:10. > :03:14.told that surface-to-air missiles could be placed on their roof
:03:14. > :03:17.during the Olympics. Ministers revealed late last year that the
:03:17. > :03:21.ministry might deploy missiles and the capital to defend the gains
:03:21. > :03:24.from possible terrorist attacks. People living in the complex near
:03:24. > :03:28.the site have received a leaflet telling them soldiers could be
:03:28. > :03:31.based there near the summer. More than a billion pounds will be
:03:31. > :03:35.spent on securing the Olympics. River patrols, snipers and
:03:35. > :03:39.helicopters will be used, as well as surface-to-air missiles.
:03:39. > :03:44.Residents in a private gated block of flats have now been told those
:03:44. > :03:48.weapons could be based in their complex. I was aware of government
:03:48. > :03:53.plans for missiles, I have seen it in the last few months. I did not
:03:54. > :03:59.think they would actually be placed on top of people's private
:03:59. > :04:04.residences. It creates a lot of fears, it is a massive
:04:04. > :04:08.inconvenience and I am not sure it is entirely necessary as well.
:04:08. > :04:12.Dummy missiles will be brought here this week. Real weapons could be
:04:12. > :04:16.here for two months over the summer, are protected by as many as 10
:04:16. > :04:20.soldiers. The residents here may have concerns about their apartment
:04:20. > :04:26.blocks being used to house surface- to-air missiles, but the government
:04:26. > :04:30.has repeatedly said they would need to embark on a larger security
:04:30. > :04:33.operation. What that means in practice is now becoming apparent.
:04:33. > :04:37.The Ministry of Defence says they have not made a final decision on
:04:37. > :04:44.where exactly to put the missile battery, but with the game's just
:04:45. > :04:48.three months away, final preparations are clearly under way.
:04:48. > :04:51.The leader of the Catholic Church in Scotland, Cardinal Keith O'Brien,
:04:51. > :04:55.has said the Prime Minister is behaving immorally by putting the
:04:55. > :04:59.needs of the rich ahead of the ordinary people affected by the
:04:59. > :05:03.recession. The UK's most senior Catholic criticised David Cameron
:05:03. > :05:06.and said people who had worked hard and saved for their retirement were
:05:06. > :05:12.being forgotten. Days after David Cameron was
:05:12. > :05:16.accused by one of his own MPs of being arrogant posh boy who showed
:05:16. > :05:20.no compassion in understanding the lives of others, he is again
:05:20. > :05:24.accused of being out of touch with ordinary people. Cardinal O'Brien
:05:24. > :05:27.is not pulling any punches. He says he believes the way the Prime
:05:28. > :05:31.Minister is trying to deal with the budget deficit is a moral and
:05:32. > :05:36.focuses on the needs of his very rich colleagues in the finance
:05:36. > :05:39.industry at the expense of the poor. The cardinal said the poorest in
:05:40. > :05:45.society are now those who once thought themselves reasonably well-
:05:45. > :05:50.off. Young families, workers and pensioners. It is these people who
:05:50. > :05:55.have had to suffer because of the financial disasters in recent years
:05:55. > :06:01.and it is immoral, it is not moral, just to ignore them and to say,
:06:01. > :06:03.well, struggle along and the rich can go one sailing in their own
:06:04. > :06:08.sweet way. But the government says it is determined to help people who
:06:08. > :06:14.are struggling. It says majors in the last Budget meant 2 million
:06:14. > :06:16.people on the lowest in comes with no longer pay income tax. But the
:06:16. > :06:20.leader of the Catholic Church in Scotland wants to see a so called
:06:20. > :06:27.Robin Hood tax on the financial sector. He said that would raise
:06:27. > :06:30.�20 billion each year to be spent tackling poverty.
:06:30. > :06:34.A man has been charged over a London seige which brought one of
:06:34. > :06:38.the country's busiest shopping street to a standstill. Tottenham
:06:38. > :06:42.Court Road was closed for hours on Friday after Michael Green entered
:06:42. > :06:47.an office, allegedly making threats. Last night he was charged with
:06:47. > :06:50.making a bomb hoax, making a weapon and false imprisonment.
:06:50. > :06:54.British and Hollywood royalty brushed shoulders last night at the
:06:54. > :06:57.launch of the Sundance Film Festival. If Prince Charles and
:06:57. > :07:01.Robert Redford both attended the event, which is the first time the
:07:01. > :07:03.festival had been held outside America. It opened with the premier
:07:03. > :07:07.of a documentary which was narrated by the Prince.
:07:07. > :07:12.I will be back just before 10 o'clock with the headlines.
:07:12. > :07:19.Thank you. Now to the front pages, as usual. That Leveson related
:07:19. > :07:24.story is almost everywhere. There is the Independent. And the
:07:24. > :07:29.Observer has the former BBC chief Michael Lions attacking Hunt over
:07:29. > :07:33.his ties to Murdoch. The Sunday Times is going big with its own
:07:33. > :07:38.rich list. It also has a political story which we will pick up in a
:07:38. > :07:43.minute. The Mail on Sunday has a completely different story. They
:07:43. > :07:47.have interviewed the Russian banker shot six times in the centre of
:07:47. > :07:53.London. A very vivid and pretty horrific first hand account. And
:07:53. > :07:58.here we have the Sunday Telegraph. Boris, one of those politicians who
:07:58. > :08:02.does not need a second name. Boris: We need more tax cuts.
:08:02. > :08:07.As promised, Baroness Helena Kennedy and Nick what of the
:08:07. > :08:10.Guardian newspaper. Thank you very much indeed. Nick, you have been
:08:10. > :08:15.spending a busy week observing British politics. Give us a sense
:08:15. > :08:19.of where we are. Quite an extraordinary week and pretty bad
:08:19. > :08:23.news for Downing Street. The Tories at the lowest ebb for eight years.
:08:23. > :08:28.This has Labour has hit the magical 40 % in the opinion polls and the
:08:28. > :08:33.Tories have hit the not so magical 29 %. It is always important have a
:08:33. > :08:37.health warning with his pulse. It is an opinion poll, not a general
:08:37. > :08:41.election result. There were times in the 80s when Michael Foot was
:08:41. > :08:45.ahead of Margaret Thatcher. But clearly there are deep nerves in
:08:45. > :08:53.Downing Street and the debate goes like this: How are we facing an ex
:08:53. > :08:57.potential crisis -- an existential crisis, or is this just a blip.
:08:57. > :09:01.This is a live debate. There are real concerns. There have been a
:09:01. > :09:06.series of unforced errors. David Cameron appears to have a
:09:06. > :09:11.lackadaisical style. The bid -- the budget is the budget which is
:09:11. > :09:15.keeping to give and their nerves. We have local elections. Are we
:09:15. > :09:18.going to be in a position where we see the entire local elections
:09:18. > :09:23.through the prism of London or are we going to be looking around the
:09:23. > :09:28.country? Labour has got to make a lot of games but there are lots of
:09:28. > :09:33.contrasts. What the newspapers tell you today, there are lots of big
:09:33. > :09:36.stories and a lot of them are about austerity and what is seen as being
:09:36. > :09:40.corruption in government and the rich having access and power which
:09:40. > :09:44.the poor do not and ordinary folk do not have, but the other
:09:44. > :09:48.interesting thing for me is if you look at all the tabloids, the front
:09:48. > :09:52.pages have nothing to do with any of these stories. The front pages
:09:52. > :10:01.are all stories about celebrities and so on. It is as if it is a
:10:01. > :10:04.different world. The biggest one in a sense is still the Leveson story
:10:04. > :10:09.and the allegation of an improper relationship between ministers and
:10:09. > :10:15.Rupert Murdoch. This is really an incredibly serious story because if
:10:15. > :10:19.this is about and it has all the appearances of a deal being done,
:10:19. > :10:24.or behind the scenes, all winks and nods, it is not about Murdoch
:10:24. > :10:29.having a conversation with David Cameron, it is all being done
:10:29. > :10:33.behind the scenes, and it is a deal. And that deal goes to the heart of
:10:33. > :10:39.government and it is about corruption. You have picked the
:10:39. > :10:43.Independent. It is actually a very good story because not only does it
:10:43. > :10:47.cover the subtleties of how this operates at one level, but you
:10:47. > :10:54.cannot have somebody who is an age like Adam Smith, who everybody
:10:54. > :10:58.would say is very close, you could say he was his master's voice and
:10:58. > :11:04.the alter ego of the Culture Secretary, the idea that he was
:11:04. > :11:08.operating on his own is not believable. Nick, this rale -- is
:11:08. > :11:11.all hands on a distinction about whether the permanent secretary
:11:11. > :11:16.positively gave the go-ahead for Adam Smith to be the Back Channel
:11:16. > :11:20.to Rupert Murdoch or whether he tolerated it after he knew about it.
:11:20. > :11:24.That is right. Jeremy Hunt gave the impression that the permanent
:11:24. > :11:28.secretary had authorised this but Jane Merrick in the Independent on
:11:28. > :11:33.Sunday has copies of documentation which shows he did not authorise it,
:11:33. > :11:36.he sort of agreed to it. This does go to the heart of this problem.
:11:36. > :11:41.Downing Street were saying initially, it does for the Leveson
:11:41. > :11:44.Inquiry to decide on this. We cannot decide. We will not call on
:11:44. > :11:49.the ministerial adviser. Now they are saying we will listen to what
:11:50. > :11:53.Jeremy Hunt says at Leveson and then we will decide. Mixed emotions
:11:53. > :11:58.for Conservative MPs. On one hand, you talk to them privately and they
:11:58. > :12:03.say it is very difficult to see how Jeremy Hunt can continue. The idea
:12:03. > :12:08.that the special adviser was freelancing is absurd. But, hugely
:12:08. > :12:12.liked. Nobody has a bad word to say about Jeremy Hunt personally.
:12:12. > :12:17.back to this business about who is this coalition in government and
:12:17. > :12:23.who is the Conservative Party serving? It takes us to the economy.
:12:23. > :12:28.Batters the other really big story which in some ways is the one we
:12:28. > :12:33.have to look at because what you are getting is, we have got the
:12:33. > :12:36.double dip but there is a big story here in the Observer which is about
:12:36. > :12:44.how across Europe there is now a backlash against austerity drives
:12:44. > :12:47.as a way of dealing with this economic crisis. Here we are, going
:12:47. > :12:50.helter-skelter down further into the abyss and a recognition by
:12:50. > :12:56.ordinary people that this is not the way that business has to be
:12:56. > :13:01.done. What is interesting, we know about Greece, Spain and so on, but
:13:01. > :13:04.there is Holland, the Netherlands which is very pro austerity, one of
:13:04. > :13:08.the country's along with Germany who were leading this but they are
:13:08. > :13:15.losing their government as well. I suppose the bigger story is still
:13:15. > :13:23.the French elections where it looks as if President Sarkozy has his
:13:23. > :13:28.final piece of unhelpful news. is right. There is a feature in the
:13:28. > :13:31.Sunday Times. It is looking difficult to see how Nicolas
:13:31. > :13:35.Sarkozy can win the election in the second round. Some people are
:13:35. > :13:41.saying is he a bit too bling? Was it a good idea for him to go for a
:13:41. > :13:45.posh meal? He has not delivered on the economy. Leaders who have been
:13:45. > :13:50.in place during this crash are finding it very difficult to get
:13:50. > :13:54.re-elected. And our relationship in this country with France is
:13:54. > :13:59.incredibly important. It matters a lot to us whether it is Francois
:13:59. > :14:04.Hollande or Sarkozy. It matters a lot and I sincerely hope that
:14:04. > :14:10.Francois Hollande wins. There is a story that Sarkozy received a huge
:14:10. > :14:15.amount of money for his campaigning to win this election from Gaddafi.
:14:15. > :14:19.So there is also allegations of corruption. I do not think Gaddafi
:14:19. > :14:24.would have been in a state to be handing out money! There is a story
:14:24. > :14:28.in the Mail on Sunday saying Sarkozy had a gift from the late
:14:28. > :14:32.Libyan leader and that would be illegal. You make a really
:14:33. > :14:39.interesting point about what happens is -- if Francois Hollande
:14:39. > :14:43.wins. There are very few centre- left leaders in Europe. He is
:14:43. > :14:49.planning to confront Angela Merkel and he is saying this eurozone
:14:49. > :14:53.fiscal compact is too austere, there is no emphasis on growth. He
:14:53. > :14:58.will have a battle with Angela Merkel stop that will be good news
:14:58. > :15:05.for Ed Balls and Ed Miliband. you get a hint of the nasty side of
:15:05. > :15:08.this. It opens up opportunities for extremist parties. Here we have in
:15:08. > :15:14.Greece neo-Nazi is going round giving food parcels to people who
:15:14. > :15:21.are having difficulties surviving. This ways of winning and winning
:15:21. > :15:24.voters' suffering most is being taken advantage by neo-fascists. We
:15:24. > :15:29.also see the far right in France making headway during this period.
:15:29. > :15:39.I cannot see the Greeks in pro neo- Nazi given a hard time they had
:15:39. > :15:47.
:15:47. > :15:52.from the real Nazis. Let's move on This television Review is a battle
:15:52. > :15:56.between our reviewer and a Cambridge classicist. The reviewer
:15:56. > :16:06.says that maybe it should not be on television, she does not have the
:16:06. > :16:10.looks. But she has hit back. She is charismatic. He the reviewer was
:16:10. > :16:13.saying that she was not attractive enough to be preventing a
:16:13. > :16:19.television programme, but it is interesting that women have risen
:16:19. > :16:26.up and said, he is a man who Sturton by intelligent women.
:16:26. > :16:33.said, come to my college and let's have a debate. He has said no.
:16:33. > :16:39.in favour of eccentric looking people being on television! This
:16:39. > :16:46.story is amazing, this Chinese story. It is about the British
:16:46. > :16:51.businessman who was murdered. The story is about how it looks as
:16:51. > :16:53.though it was about a class of Chinese who are really wanting to
:16:53. > :16:57.live the good life into a nationally, and to send their
:16:57. > :17:06.children to public schools in Britain, and having to get money
:17:06. > :17:10.out today it and use people to make it possible. The race and at -- the
:17:10. > :17:13.reason I've read all those names from that the rich list at the
:17:14. > :17:19.beginning is that London has become an international base for people
:17:19. > :17:25.who want to educate their children in posh schools, who want to live
:17:25. > :17:30.in expensive houses, all the money is pouring into this country.
:17:30. > :17:35.Francois Hollande is elected as President of France, lots of people
:17:35. > :17:43.can come to London to go to it their private school. It is why
:17:43. > :17:48.lots of people cannot afford to pay the rent on a flat in London.
:17:48. > :17:51.is also as stories here how a Chinese lawyer who has been
:17:51. > :17:58.campaigning for human rights in China and has now taken sanctuary
:17:58. > :18:02.in the American embassy in Beijing. There is real political
:18:02. > :18:07.significance to this story, because we're about to get a massive change
:18:07. > :18:13.in the make-up of the Politburo in China. This man was destined for
:18:13. > :18:19.great things, doing all sorts of interesting business deals, his son
:18:19. > :18:23.going to Harrow, but he was trying to be traditional. Some of the old
:18:23. > :18:29.guard, who are more in favour of free market reforms, have been
:18:29. > :18:33.boosted by this. I did mention the weather and it is bizarre to think
:18:33. > :18:38.that the Chelsea Flower Show is on the way given the battering from
:18:38. > :18:45.the skies. Yes, and there are saying that the Chelsea Flower Show
:18:45. > :18:51.will is threatened by the wettest drought. It says we should not be
:18:51. > :18:56.using our hosepipes, but we are all absolutely soaked. How can there be
:18:56. > :19:05.a hosepipe ban when there is all this water? The thing is, it has
:19:05. > :19:09.come too late and it is running of hard soil so it is not seeping down.
:19:09. > :19:15.When plants are tender, it can whether their roots because it is
:19:15. > :19:19.too wet. On that downbeat note, thank you very much. We're going to
:19:19. > :19:29.carry on speaking about the weather. carry on speaking about the weather.
:19:29. > :19:33.
:19:33. > :19:38.Let's take a look at the weather. Good morning. You are right, there
:19:38. > :19:43.are massive contrast across the UK, with Scotland faring well and also
:19:43. > :19:48.Northern Ireland. For England and Wales, wet and windy conditions.
:19:48. > :19:54.There is a warning for heavy rain from the Met Office across England
:19:54. > :20:00.and Wales. Combine that with strong winds and there is severe weather.
:20:00. > :20:05.You can see this on the radar picture. Northern Ireland and
:20:05. > :20:09.Scotland are faring better with sunshine and dry conditions, but
:20:09. > :20:14.there will be a brisk north- easterly wind for most places. At 4
:20:14. > :20:20.o'clock this afternoon it will be dry and sunny for many parts of
:20:20. > :20:25.Scotland and Northern Ireland. But here is the heavy rain across the
:20:25. > :20:28.northern Pennines. It will gradually start to brighten up
:20:29. > :20:33.later in the afternoon for the south-eastern corner of the UK but
:20:33. > :20:40.as we head towards Devon and Cornwall, there will be persistent,
:20:40. > :20:43.heavy rain, and that will be combined with strong winds. The low
:20:43. > :20:49.pressure in charge starts to slip away towards the West. The weather
:20:49. > :20:56.front pages away to the north as we head into Monday. Showers around on
:20:56. > :20:57.Monday, but elsewhere, turning brighter and warmer. A gradual
:20:58. > :21:04.brighter and warmer. A gradual improvement in the weather, but
:21:04. > :21:07.turning better during the week. The Duchess of Malfi in the play of
:21:07. > :21:13.that name by the Jacobean dramatist John Webster is one of those career
:21:13. > :21:19.defining roles for a classical actress. A very fine actress, Eve
:21:19. > :21:25.Best, who is also in the funny American series Nurse Jackie, she
:21:25. > :21:30.is playing her to great effect at the Old Vic theatre in London. This
:21:30. > :21:35.is a challenging and dark work featuring madness and murder, meat
:21:35. > :21:42.and drink to 17th century playgoers, but does it still speak to
:21:42. > :21:47.audiences today? I am joined by Eve Best. Thank you for coming in. It
:21:47. > :21:53.is a grim play, in a way. How did you approach the role because it is
:21:53. > :21:58.very testing, and very important, but how do you think about it for
:21:58. > :22:07.an audience today? I thought that I was going to have lots of time and
:22:07. > :22:15.I gave myself a month to prepare, and I thought I would do lots of
:22:15. > :22:19.research and lots of in debt fought at about Jacobean life, but in the
:22:19. > :22:29.end, it took me so long to learn the lines, that was the main bulk
:22:29. > :22:36.
:22:36. > :22:44.of my time, because the language is so dense and difficult. -- in depth
:22:44. > :22:50.thoughts about. Suddenly we got to the first day of rehearsals, and I
:22:50. > :22:55.thought, I have not done all the sort of things I meant to do.
:22:55. > :22:58.set is very beautiful, it is claustrophobic and dark. The
:22:58. > :23:02.English had this notion that Spanish and Italian courts were
:23:02. > :23:09.places of incredible wickedness were terrible things were going on,
:23:09. > :23:15.and it really feels like that. Probably the most difficult part of
:23:15. > :23:19.the whole thing it is when you are killed, because it is strangulation,
:23:19. > :23:24.and I do not think you would see this kind of thing on film?
:23:24. > :23:32.Somebody else said that to me, and it had not struck me before, but
:23:32. > :23:37.your producer said it is more appalling to see it live than on
:23:37. > :23:42.film. I had not thought about that before, but I suppose it is,
:23:42. > :23:46.because everyone is in the same room. We should explain why your
:23:46. > :23:52.character is strangled, it is a case of falling in love with the
:23:52. > :23:59.wrong person. Yes, and it is what would be called an honour killing
:23:59. > :24:04.nowadays. That is what is terrifying about the play. It is
:24:04. > :24:09.something that is going on right now a lot. It is going on in
:24:09. > :24:13.Britain as well as in the Middle East. And it is the brothers?
:24:13. > :24:19.brothers are intensely threatened by her because she is an
:24:19. > :24:23.independent woman of means. She must be controlled at all costs.
:24:24. > :24:28.She certainly must marry who they choose if she's going to marry at
:24:28. > :24:36.all, and she falls in love with somebody who is not appropriate at
:24:36. > :24:42.all. When you put it like that, it sounds completely contemporary.
:24:42. > :24:48.This is another hit at the Old Vic, which, under Kevin Spacey... You
:24:48. > :24:54.have acted alongside Kevin Spacey. It has been a great success story
:24:54. > :25:01.in a West End theatre world which is so dominated by musicals. Yes,
:25:01. > :25:11.and that is great news. It is an extraordinary play. It is very
:25:11. > :25:14.
:25:14. > :25:19.brutal, and very glory, and horrible. -- gory. But I think it
:25:19. > :25:27.is wonderful because she is at the core of the play and she is such a
:25:27. > :25:31.spirit of ballet -- and she is such a wonderful spirit. Her strength
:25:31. > :25:38.shines through despite the fact that awful things are happening and
:25:38. > :25:43.that she is strangled brutally. Her spirit remains intact. I think that
:25:43. > :25:48.is wonderful and incredibly positive. To those people who say
:25:48. > :25:55.that the play is just a bloodbath, it has a different message?
:25:55. > :26:00.absolutely not. It has a massively positive central core. People keep
:26:00. > :26:06.asking if it is misogynist, but I think quite the opposite. It is of
:26:06. > :26:11.humanist play. It is about the strength of the human spirit.
:26:11. > :26:15.remember learning Webster at school and the language is amazing. How do
:26:15. > :26:19.you compare him to William Shakespeare? That is why it was
:26:19. > :26:27.difficult to learn because the Shakespeare I have done in the past
:26:27. > :26:34.has been rhythmically more coherent. It somehow goes into easier than
:26:34. > :26:40.this. The rhythm is broken up and the structure is uneven. Sometimes
:26:40. > :26:46.it goes into prose, sometimes the lines are stretched, so your brain
:26:46. > :26:55.and your body is more confused. Kevin Spacey famously uses his big
:26:55. > :27:04.Hollywood moments to help keep the Old Vic project going. You also
:27:04. > :27:08.moved between the two world. Let's see a clip of Nurse Jackie. Well,
:27:08. > :27:15.it year arteries are not co- operating, they are closing up
:27:15. > :27:19.again which is restricting blood flow to your heart. For we will
:27:19. > :27:27.take to consult, but I would say that you're looking at angioplasty
:27:27. > :27:32.and possibly another bypass. I am thinking Indian food for lunch,
:27:32. > :27:37.text me and I will make a reservation.
:27:38. > :27:47.I have never seen that. It is not the most flattering portrayal in a
:27:47. > :27:51.way. She is very tough. Yes, but she is fabulous, she is no nonsense.
:27:51. > :28:00.If you want a doctor to tell you what is really happening, then she
:28:00. > :28:07.is the woman. Yes, and she was very good high heels. Which is nice,
:28:07. > :28:14.because it is nice to get a bit of bling. Yes, I finish playing a pig
:28:14. > :28:19.farmer before I got that part, so it was a great relief. A Eve Best,
:28:19. > :28:23.Dr, Duchess, pig farmer, thank you very much indeed.
:28:23. > :28:26.It has been a difficult week for the Government is a phrase we
:28:26. > :28:31.should probably banned but it has been with the news that the economy
:28:31. > :28:36.has slipped back into recession. Coming on top of a Conservative
:28:36. > :28:45.funding scandal, panic at the petrol pumps, and a budget watch
:28:45. > :28:50.was not universally acclaimed, it has been difficult for the
:28:50. > :28:56.Conservatives. -- and a budget which was not universally acclaimed.
:28:56. > :29:01.David Cameron joins me now. Let's start with the Rupert Murdoch story.
:29:01. > :29:05.We will get on to the general picture in a moment, but there has
:29:05. > :29:12.been some confusion as to whether you yourself discussed the BSkyB
:29:12. > :29:19.bid waved James Murdoch at Rebekah Brooks' party. Can you tell us
:29:19. > :29:25.about that? I have always said I have never had any inappropriate
:29:25. > :29:30.conversations with anyone about this. I completely took myself out
:29:30. > :29:33.of any decision-making about this important deal. What I recall is
:29:33. > :29:39.that the dinner came a couple of days after the Business Secretary
:29:39. > :29:43.had had to resign from this part of his job, effectively, because he
:29:43. > :29:49.had been recorded saying he wanted to destroy Rupert Murdoch and his
:29:49. > :29:55.company. I cannot remember every detail of the conversation, but I
:29:55. > :30:00.think I said that was unacceptable and embarrassing for the Government.
:30:00. > :30:04.I wanted to be clear that from now on this whole issue would be dealt
:30:04. > :30:14.with impartially and in the correct way, but obviously I had nothing to
:30:14. > :30:16.
:30:16. > :30:21.do with it. I said that out at the Do you find it embarrassing that
:30:21. > :30:25.you were at Rebekah Brooks' Christmas party? Clearly, because
:30:25. > :30:29.of what has been said about it, of course. One might do things
:30:29. > :30:35.differently, but what I would say is this. Let's go to the big
:30:35. > :30:40.picture, we might as well. Let's be frank. The thing that people are
:30:40. > :30:45.asking is was there some big deal, some big agreement between me and
:30:45. > :30:48.Rupert Murdoch or James Murdoch, in return for support for the
:30:48. > :30:53.Conservative Party that I would somehow help their business
:30:53. > :30:59.interests or allow this merger to go through. Batters not tree.
:30:59. > :31:07.Rupert Murdoch said it under oath at the Leveson Inquiry. I will say
:31:07. > :31:11.it under oath. I wanted the support of as many newspapers and as many
:31:11. > :31:15.television commentators for the Conservative Party because I want
:31:15. > :31:21.to detect a country in a different direction. When it comes to the
:31:21. > :31:25.Murdoch newspapers, I was trying to convince a set of newspapers which
:31:25. > :31:28.had largely right to conservative views anyway. They would be better
:31:28. > :31:31.off with a Conservative Party running the country in the way that
:31:31. > :31:41.they would. There is no great mystery here. Batters what I was
:31:41. > :31:49.stranded it. Here -- what I was trying to do. It was a huge moment,
:31:49. > :31:54.we know how angry Gordon Brown was and we also know that Rupert
:31:55. > :32:00.Murdoch wanted a series of things. He was very hostile to Ofcom. After
:32:00. > :32:05.he made that switch, you made a speech saying if you got into power
:32:05. > :32:09.you would clip Ofcom's wings and he also wanted takeover BSkyB, an
:32:09. > :32:13.enormously lucrative deal. The problem your government has, I
:32:13. > :32:18.would suggest, is the texts and emails which have come up from
:32:18. > :32:22.Jeremy Hunt's people and Rupert Murdoch's people, are so friendly
:32:22. > :32:27.that it beggars belief that the government was not tilted one way.
:32:27. > :32:32.I do not accept that. My views on media policy, a lot of them were
:32:32. > :32:38.formed because I worked for an ITV company for 7.5 years. I have
:32:38. > :32:43.always believed in a strong BBC with the licence fee funding it.
:32:43. > :32:47.That's not a view that you find in many Murdoch newspapers. Batters my
:32:47. > :32:50.government's policy. On the issue of Ofcom, I did think that it had
:32:50. > :32:55.become too big, I thought the people running it were paid too
:32:55. > :32:59.much money. A good thing going back to my time in television, when we
:32:59. > :33:02.had the Independent Television Commission, I think the focus of a
:33:02. > :33:06.competition authority and a regulatory authority, ought to be
:33:06. > :33:09.on those things rather than policy- making so that was my view.
:33:09. > :33:15.Sometimes I agree with Rupert Murdoch about things, lots of
:33:15. > :33:21.things I violently disagree. His papers and thus the attack made a
:33:21. > :33:25.firm my opposition to 40 today detention for suspects. I just want
:33:25. > :33:28.to be really clear. I think people watching this need to know that the
:33:28. > :33:33.positions I reach our because I believe them, I think they are
:33:33. > :33:37.right for our country, battered the platform I stand on. I do not do
:33:37. > :33:45.things to change my policies to suit this proprietor or that
:33:45. > :33:49.proprietor. That isn't the way that I work. I will say that under oath.
:33:49. > :33:52.Can we be absolutely clear that if there was a grand deal of the kind
:33:52. > :33:57.you said that there was not, that would be corrupt. It would be
:33:57. > :34:02.absolutely wrong for there to be any sort of deal and there was not.
:34:02. > :34:04.If they had been, let's assume that, would I have appointed Vince Cable,
:34:04. > :34:07.be Liberal Democrat with quite a track record of not being
:34:07. > :34:13.particularly keen on News Corporation and Rupert Murdoch, do
:34:13. > :34:18.the job of running competition policy? Of course not. The whole
:34:18. > :34:21.thing I think falls down. There was no grand deal. Did I spent time
:34:21. > :34:26.trying to win over newspaper proprietors, including the Daily
:34:26. > :34:29.Mail, the Daily Telegraph? Yes. Do I spend time with the Guardian and
:34:29. > :34:33.Independent, trying to persuade them I did not have a tail and
:34:33. > :34:36.horns? Yes. He did I spend time with the BBC, political editors,
:34:36. > :34:40.people who are watched by millions of people on the television every
:34:40. > :34:45.night to try and convince them that I had the right policies and plans
:34:45. > :34:50.and personality? Yes, I did. What politicians have to do, have we all
:34:50. > :34:53.got too close? Yes. Do we spend too much time on the short-term news
:34:54. > :34:56.management agenda? Yes, we did. Should we try and have a better
:34:56. > :35:00.relationship where we fight the Daily firefight with the media but
:35:00. > :35:06.we focus on the long term change our economy needs and our society
:35:06. > :35:10.needs? Yes. If that comes out of Leveson, great. Would it be great
:35:10. > :35:14.thing if you stopped seeing editors and proprietors privately, just
:35:14. > :35:22.stopped at? Personally, I would be pleased if I did not have to see as
:35:22. > :35:27.many as I did. -- as I do. I'm trying to communicate my vision for
:35:27. > :35:32.this country, how we will get our economy going, how we help hard-
:35:32. > :35:35.working people who feel they get a bad deal. Do you need to get your
:35:36. > :35:42.message across? Yes, you do. Batters why I spend a lot of time
:35:42. > :35:47.talking to them. I think the answer is transparent. You can now see
:35:47. > :35:51.which political editors, proprietors that icy, it is all
:35:51. > :35:55.made public. Since coming into government, I have also tried to
:35:55. > :36:01.have a slightly better distance in terms of news management and all
:36:01. > :36:05.the rest of it. We live in a 24 hour media news world where you are
:36:05. > :36:11.permanently under pressure to try and deal with those issues. Let's
:36:11. > :36:16.go through a bit of the detail and -- with all of this. Do you know
:36:16. > :36:21.how many meetings you had with Rupert Murdoch? Yes, they also
:36:21. > :36:25.doubt in the disclosures I'd made. What he set out in his evidence to
:36:25. > :36:29.the inquiry, and then those had to be corrected because I think there
:36:29. > :36:33.were some mistakes. They are also some things put down as possible
:36:33. > :36:38.meetings. My officials have been through my diary in the greatest
:36:38. > :36:42.possible detail. The thing about a Prime Minister's diary is not just
:36:42. > :36:46.the things you think you are going to do, you can also go back and it
:36:46. > :36:50.has been locked exactly what you did do. And as certain as I can but
:36:50. > :36:54.I got it right. I'm not embarrassed about these meetings because I have
:36:54. > :36:58.been trying to communicate, get across what the government is doing,
:36:58. > :37:04.what I believe in, the things we need to did for our country.
:37:04. > :37:09.Frankly, you have to deal with the media to do that. How do you feel
:37:09. > :37:14.when you see these e-mails and text saying tipping off Rupert Murdoch?
:37:14. > :37:18.There is no doubt about that will stop the contact between the
:37:18. > :37:23.special adviser in the Department for Culture and News International,
:37:23. > :37:28.that was too close, too frequent and inappropriate. That was why the
:37:28. > :37:32.special adviser resigned. It was the right thing to do. It is
:37:32. > :37:38.inconceivable to people that that level of contact would be going on
:37:38. > :37:42.without Jeremy Hunt knowing it and proving it. This must be properly
:37:42. > :37:45.investigated. It should be investigated by a parliamentary
:37:45. > :37:50.inquiry, not through the Leveson presence. Leveson himself said he
:37:50. > :37:54.has nothing to do with ministerial codes of conduct. The the
:37:54. > :37:59.Ministerial Code is for me. Bad behaviour of ministers is for me.
:37:59. > :38:03.If ministers have a badly, broken the Ministerial Code, it is my
:38:03. > :38:10.responsibility either to ask Alex Allan's advice, or to take action
:38:10. > :38:12.myself and say they cannot remain in the government. I do not duck my
:38:12. > :38:16.responsibilities for one second. If that has happened, then I will act.
:38:16. > :38:20.What is the best way of getting the information about what actually
:38:20. > :38:28.happened? I do not believe there is any better process than an inquiry,
:38:28. > :38:31.led by a judge, where people can give evidence under oath. That's
:38:31. > :38:36.why after consulting the Cabinet Secretary, it would not be right to
:38:36. > :38:41.set up a parallel investigation. Can I come back on that specific
:38:41. > :38:46.point? The Leveson Inquiry will not report until the autumn. I am not
:38:46. > :38:50.saying we have to wait until then. The inquiry is under way. Jeremy
:38:50. > :38:53.Hunt and others, everyone is preparing their evidence for the
:38:53. > :38:57.inquiry, evidence they will give under oath, they will be questioned
:38:57. > :39:01.under oath and information arises that paints a different picture
:39:01. > :39:03.from the one we have heard, obviously, I know my
:39:03. > :39:08.responsibilities towards the Ministerial Code, towards how
:39:08. > :39:11.ministers behave and I will act. The question that has been asked
:39:11. > :39:16.his should you set up a parallel inquiry that will duplicate what
:39:16. > :39:20.Leveson is doing? I do not think batters right. The actual code
:39:20. > :39:25.itself does not say that the Prime Minister, if there is an allegation
:39:25. > :39:30.of this kind, might or should or will, it says you absolutely will
:39:30. > :39:36.report this to the Alex Allan process and allow this to happen.
:39:36. > :39:41.On the face of it, you have to. things stand, I do not believe
:39:41. > :39:45.Jeremy Hunt breached the Ministerial Code. If evidence comes
:39:45. > :39:51.out through this exhaustive inquiry, if he did breach the Ministerial
:39:51. > :39:56.Code, batters clearly -- that's clearly a different matter. I'm not
:39:56. > :40:00.trying to duck my responsibilities, absolutely clear about the
:40:00. > :40:05.standards that ministers have to live up to. I consulted the Cabinet
:40:05. > :40:09.Secretary about what is right. Lord Justice Levison has quite rightly
:40:09. > :40:13.said that people should allow his inquiry to take course but I am
:40:13. > :40:17.responsible for the code of conduct, for ministers'' behaviour and I
:40:17. > :40:22.will act properly in doing that. it comes out that people that
:40:22. > :40:26.Rebekah Brooks will put all their emails and private correspondence
:40:26. > :40:31.into the public domain relating to this, will you do the same? I will
:40:31. > :40:35.do what I am asked to do by the inquiry. The aim of all this is to
:40:35. > :40:38.get to the bottom of what happened. I have said very clearly due, the
:40:39. > :40:43.idea that there was some grand bargain between me and Rupert
:40:43. > :40:51.Murdoch is not true. Was there too much closeness in the relationship
:40:51. > :40:55.which has led to distraught and media agenda? I think there was and
:40:55. > :40:59.if you look at all the meetings I had between Rupert Murdoch since
:40:59. > :41:04.becoming Prime Minister, that may - - many fewer than Tony Blair and
:41:04. > :41:08.many fewer than Gordon Brown. The problem between media and politics
:41:08. > :41:11.has been going on in our country for a long time. We have an
:41:11. > :41:15.opportunity with a judge led inquiry, whose terms were agreed by
:41:15. > :41:20.all three party leaders, we have got an opportunity to get to a much,
:41:20. > :41:25.much better players. Let's remember it is not just about newspapers. It
:41:25. > :41:30.is also about the BBC and ITV, both of whom are vigorous lobbyists.
:41:30. > :41:34.Some of the toughest lobbying I have had is BBC executives on the
:41:34. > :41:39.licence fee and regulation and all the rest of it. This issue, this is
:41:39. > :41:43.an opportunity. In retrospect, Jeremy Hunt is a very popular man
:41:43. > :41:47.in the House of Commons as we heard earlier on, he is a friend of yours,
:41:47. > :41:52.he was a big cheerleader for the Murdoch empire beforehand, he spent
:41:52. > :41:58.a lot of time with them over in the States, what's it a great idea to
:41:58. > :42:02.put him in charge as a quasi- judicial figure with this process?
:42:02. > :42:05.I think it was the right answer. You have to remember the problem we
:42:05. > :42:12.had with the Business Secretary who does an excellent job, I admire his
:42:12. > :42:17.work, but on this issue he said he wanted to destroy a British company.
:42:17. > :42:23.He could not continue with that part of his responsibilities. I had,
:42:23. > :42:26.as Prime Minister, to decide what to do it. I obviously consulted the
:42:26. > :42:30.Cabinet Secretary and the most sensible, logical move was to take
:42:30. > :42:35.back part of the responsibilities to the business -- from the
:42:35. > :42:39.business department and give it to the Culture Department. He
:42:39. > :42:42.consulted the Cabinet lawyers to make sure anything Jeremy Hunt had
:42:42. > :42:47.said publicly in the past did not make it impossible for him to do
:42:47. > :42:52.the job. That was the decision that was reached. Did I act probably in
:42:52. > :42:55.that? I believe absolutely I did. The consensus across most of the
:42:55. > :42:59.papers and many of your own backbenchers and leading
:42:59. > :43:05.Conservatives, is that Jeremy Hunt has not much future in this
:43:05. > :43:11.particular job. Are you standing 100 % behind him today? I think he
:43:11. > :43:14.does a good job. I think he is a good Culture Secretary. I think he
:43:14. > :43:18.is doing an excellent job on the Olympics. I think people deserve to
:43:18. > :43:22.have these things look into properly. We have to have a sense
:43:22. > :43:25.of natural justice where people can explain their actions, all the
:43:25. > :43:28.information comes out and if someone has breached the
:43:28. > :43:32.Ministerial Code badly and they cannot stay in the government, they
:43:32. > :43:36.should be able to defend themselves. It comes to this whole thing about
:43:36. > :43:40.short-term and long-term. Often, it would be much easier to sack
:43:40. > :43:45.someone the first time the papers complain about them. I had this
:43:45. > :43:48.with Liam Fox. You have to try and find some space to get to the truth.
:43:48. > :43:52.Jeremy Hunt did say he had published all the relevant
:43:52. > :43:56.correspondence between his department and News International,
:43:56. > :44:00.then it came out through the Leveson Inquiry, but there were all
:44:01. > :44:03.these e-mails and contacts with Adam Smith. To be fair, he had
:44:03. > :44:12.explained that specific point in the House of Commons, answering
:44:12. > :44:15.that question, so why do not think that's an issue. I do not think he
:44:15. > :44:18.and the Permanent Secretary are saying different things. The
:44:18. > :44:24.Permanent Secretary said he was content and aware for the contact
:44:24. > :44:29.to made. But content is not the same thing as actively saying yes,
:44:29. > :44:34.that's a good way to deal with it. I think saying your permanent
:44:34. > :44:38.secretary is content, I think batters the important point but I
:44:39. > :44:43.am not content with the weight all this was done. The Cabinet
:44:43. > :44:48.Secretary has written to all departments, asked to buy me, to
:44:48. > :44:52.make sure we put in place proper processes and follow the correct
:44:52. > :44:56.procedures for the sort of contacts. What was happening between the
:44:56. > :45:01.special adviser and News International was wrong. Given that
:45:01. > :45:04.the minister is in charge of his special adviser, that's what the
:45:04. > :45:10.Ministerial Code says, why are you content with Jeremy Hunt's
:45:10. > :45:14.behaviour in that regard? He is responsible for this. Of course,
:45:14. > :45:18.but the special adviser acted inappropriately and he has resigned.
:45:18. > :45:21.I do not think it would be right in every circumstance if the special
:45:22. > :45:27.adviser get something wrong, to automatically sacked the minister.
:45:27. > :45:37.I do not think that would be right. That's not the approach that I
:45:37. > :45:41.
:45:41. > :45:45.You think nobody else knew about this? Or this will be revealed
:45:45. > :45:50.through the Leveson enquiry process because all the contact between the
:45:50. > :45:54.minister and the special adviser will be laid bare. -- all of this.
:45:54. > :45:59.The accusation is that we're not getting to the bottom of what
:45:59. > :46:05.Jeremy Hunt did and did not know. That is not true, did is a judge
:46:06. > :46:10.led inquiry. People are giving evidence under oath. There is
:46:10. > :46:17.absolutely no question that the information will be somehow buried,
:46:17. > :46:21.and secondly, the accusation is, will you take at -- responsibility
:46:21. > :46:28.for ministers' behaviour under the Ministerial Code? Absolutely, I
:46:28. > :46:31.will. If the information comes out, I will act. If it is clear it
:46:31. > :46:37.through the Leveson enquiry that we have not heard every single shred
:46:37. > :46:41.of evidence, will you have another inquiry? Yes, the point about Alex
:46:41. > :46:46.Allan is to give me advice whether the Ministerial Code has been
:46:46. > :46:51.breached. The key thing here is the process, how do we find out the
:46:51. > :46:56.information? I cannot think of a better way than a judge. What about
:46:57. > :47:00.the economy, what is plan B? have got to strain every sinew to
:47:00. > :47:05.make sure we get the economy growing and get ourselves back to
:47:05. > :47:10.work, and get out of the mess that we were left in by the last
:47:10. > :47:15.government. The figures this week were extremely disappointing, the
:47:15. > :47:18.economy did not grow in the first three months of this year, but we
:47:19. > :47:22.must not throw away our plans for dealing with the deficit and making
:47:22. > :47:29.sure that public spending is probably reduced in the appropriate
:47:29. > :47:34.areas. If we did that we would lose... The low-interest rates we
:47:34. > :47:38.have a vital to recovering. So you are not going to do that, but
:47:38. > :47:42.nonetheless, you and the Chancellor said we would have much stronger
:47:42. > :47:47.growth by now, we were going to have growth, never mind stronger
:47:47. > :47:53.growth. You were optimistic about what would happen in the private
:47:53. > :47:56.sector, but all of those things have not happened. As between
:47:56. > :48:01.totally changing direction on Europe austerity plan and just
:48:01. > :48:07.chugging along, it seems like a lot of people say the policy is not
:48:07. > :48:13.working. There must be something else, surely? What is happening in
:48:13. > :48:18.our economy is a very difficult process of rebalancing the economy.
:48:18. > :48:24.The old model of growth, all about financial services in the south of
:48:24. > :48:29.England and about debt in our banks, that model is broken. What is
:48:29. > :48:36.actually happening in our economy is the private sector is growing.
:48:36. > :48:41.We have created 600,000 net private sector jobs since the election.
:48:41. > :48:50.Manufacturing investment has increased. Experts to China and
:48:50. > :48:54.India are up by 50 %. The thing you could do, if you were not leading a
:48:54. > :49:00.coalition, is be even more ruthless on aspects of government spending
:49:00. > :49:04.to get money to allow you to push infrastructure spending, more roads,
:49:04. > :49:10.more railways, the kind of relatively short term but job-
:49:10. > :49:14.creating schemes. We will look at all of those areas. This is the
:49:14. > :49:19.biggest issue for the Government, the country, it is the thing that
:49:19. > :49:26.drives me. We must make sure that when people work hard they get
:49:26. > :49:30.rewarded. That is what I get out of bed to do every day. We need to
:49:30. > :49:37.look at how we get our banks lending, how we make it easier for
:49:37. > :49:41.businesses to employ people, how we boost exports, how we make sure
:49:41. > :49:45.that rebalancing the economy takes place. The figures were
:49:45. > :49:51.disappointing but if you look at what is happening in manufacturing,
:49:51. > :49:56.our car industry, brand new plants built by Jaguar-Land Rover,
:49:56. > :50:01.steelmaking returning to Teesside, there is a rebalancing taking place,
:50:01. > :50:05.just not fast enough. So what are you going to do to change things?
:50:05. > :50:12.We are going to redouble our efforts to make sure that whether
:50:12. > :50:15.it is banking, manufacturing, regional policy, enterprise zones,
:50:15. > :50:22.our work programme to help people with training, we will make sure
:50:22. > :50:26.all of those things are working. Increasingly I am going to meetings
:50:26. > :50:30.where we're just going through the programmes that we have set out, of
:50:30. > :50:35.whether it is boosting the housing market or investment, and making
:50:35. > :50:41.sure the Government is delivering the things it said it would do.
:50:41. > :50:45.That is vital. If this country has been adopting the right policies,
:50:45. > :50:50.unlike countries such as the United States which did not go for nearly
:50:50. > :50:55.as tough an austerity regime, why is it that the United States are
:50:55. > :51:01.growing and we are not? The United States'' plans are for tougher
:51:01. > :51:05.austerity measures than we have in the UK. Secondly, they do not have
:51:05. > :51:08.the Eurozone it on their doorstep and we have seen that the
:51:08. > :51:14.Netherlands going into recession, Spain going into recession this
:51:14. > :51:17.week. Do you think there will be another grim period ahead or are we
:51:17. > :51:22.halfway through it? We are nowhere near halfway through it because
:51:22. > :51:28.what is happening in the Eurozone is a massive tension between a
:51:28. > :51:31.single currency that countries are finding difficult to adapt to. It
:51:31. > :51:36.will be a long and painful process in the Eurozone as the workout if
:51:36. > :51:41.they want a single currency with a single economic policy and all the
:51:41. > :51:47.things that go with it, or will they have something quite different.
:51:47. > :51:53.They have to decide. We are united Kingdom and I hope we stay united
:51:53. > :51:56.Kingdom. We have a single currency call the pound. The different parts
:51:56. > :52:04.of our United Kingdom support each other and they do not have that in
:52:04. > :52:08.Europe. You are down to 29 % in an opinion poll in the Sunday Times.
:52:08. > :52:13.It is a long time since you have been that unpopular in the country.
:52:13. > :52:18.What are you going to say to people to convince them to give you
:52:18. > :52:21.another go? It has been difficult but it is far harder for people
:52:21. > :52:27.over trying to find work or make their household budgets work at a
:52:27. > :52:31.difficult time. I have to convince people that we are making the right
:52:31. > :52:36.decisions to deal with problems that have existed for years. The
:52:36. > :52:41.reason the economy is finding it hard to recover is because there is
:52:41. > :52:47.too much debt. We are taking the long term decisions, whether it is
:52:47. > :52:51.on infrastructure, education, I am passionate that we provide really
:52:51. > :52:56.aspirational skills for our Young People, all these things are long-
:52:56. > :53:00.term decisions. Governments have got to focus on what is right for
:53:00. > :53:06.the country in the long term and not be driven on by the short-term
:53:06. > :53:10.difficulties, tough though they are. We have a strong coalition
:53:10. > :53:15.government and a five-year term. I am determined that we should
:53:15. > :53:20.deliver all the things we have spoken about. All of those people
:53:20. > :53:26.who say on your own side, he is a posh boy, do you really get it? I
:53:26. > :53:31.was speaking to a young person yesterday, and he said, asking,
:53:31. > :53:35.what is his problem? Does he get it? I understand how difficult it
:53:35. > :53:40.is if you are trying to make the household budget workout, with
:53:41. > :53:44.petrol and diesel at the prices they are now. I understand the
:53:44. > :53:49.problems when you need be private sector to expand, that is what
:53:49. > :53:55.fires me up and gets me out of bed to work hard and do the right thing
:53:55. > :53:59.for our country. But it has got to be for the long term. I do not want
:53:59. > :54:05.to trim for the short term because we are in difficulty. David Cameron,
:54:05. > :54:09.thank you very much. The Prime Minister has told this
:54:09. > :54:13.programme that in our position he was keen to get the support of
:54:13. > :54:20.Rupert Murdoch's newspapers and spend time with the media tycoon,
:54:20. > :54:25.but he says he tried to win over other proprietors and broadcasting
:54:25. > :54:30.organisations as well. The thing that people are asking, really, is
:54:30. > :54:34.was there are some big deal, some big agreement between me and Rupert
:54:34. > :54:38.Murdoch or James Murdoch, that in return for support for the
:54:38. > :54:45.Conservative party I would somehow help their business interests of
:54:45. > :54:49.allow this merger to go through. That is not true.
:54:49. > :54:52.Surface to air missiles could be based on top of a block of flats in
:54:52. > :54:55.London this summer as part of the security operation for the Olympics.
:54:55. > :54:58.Residents at the complex near the Olympic site in East London have
:54:58. > :55:01.received a leaflet about the plans. Ministers revealed late last year
:55:01. > :55:03.that the military might deploy missiles to defend the Games from
:55:03. > :55:07.possible terrorist attacks. That's all from me. The next news
:55:07. > :55:10.on BBC One is at midday. Back to Andrew and guests in a moment, but
:55:10. > :55:12.first, a look at what's coming up after this programme on The Big
:55:12. > :55:17.Questions. Join us in Bristol where we will be
:55:17. > :55:21.asking if there is something rotten at the heart of British politics?
:55:21. > :55:26.Peter Hitchens is limbering up for that one.
:55:26. > :55:31.Anders Behring Breivik said that a life sentence of 21 years would be
:55:31. > :55:41.pathetic. Do some crimes deserve to the death penalty and should Hull
:55:41. > :55:42.
:55:42. > :55:45.Allmey to be labelled. -- should halal meat be labelled.
:55:45. > :55:48.Shakespeare's sonnets contain some of the most famous lines of love
:55:48. > :55:52.poetry ever written. Shall I compare thee to a summer's day? Say
:55:52. > :55:54.no more. Now some of the sonnets have been set to music in an album
:55:54. > :55:56.which brings together contemporary melodies, and musical instruments
:55:56. > :55:59.which would have been familiar to Shakespeare 400 years ago. I'm
:55:59. > :56:02.joined now by the musical director of the project, the early music
:56:02. > :56:05.specialist Robert Hollingworth. Good morning. At you have got a
:56:06. > :56:09.grade group around you. This is about taking Shakespeare's world,
:56:09. > :56:14.and Elizabeth the first, and putting it into the world of
:56:14. > :56:19.Elizabeth the second? Yes, the peace that we are going to play
:56:19. > :56:25.today has a renaissance baseline. Robert will sing a contemporary
:56:25. > :56:32.song over these instruments. Can we say at couple of them. This is an
:56:32. > :56:37.early version of an oboe. This is a kind of brass, woodwind hybrid
:56:37. > :56:47.instrument. It is like the human voice. And this is like an early
:56:47. > :56:48.
:56:48. > :56:51.trombone. We're looking forward to this massively. That's all we have
:56:51. > :56:54.time for today. Thanks to all my guests. Do join me again at the
:56:54. > :56:57.same time next week, when I'll be talking to the Deputy Prime
:56:57. > :57:00.Minister, Nick Clegg, and digesting the results of the local election
:57:00. > :57:03.results with him. We'll also have music from one of the most
:57:03. > :57:06.successful bands of the last ten years, Keane. But we leave you now
:57:06. > :57:16.with our musicians here performing Shakespeare's sonnet number 128,
:57:16. > :57:19.
:57:19. > :57:29.How Oft, When Thou, My Music, Music # How oft when thou, my music,
:57:29. > :57:30.
:57:30. > :57:38.music play'st. # Upon that blessed wood whose
:57:38. > :57:48.motion sounds. # With thy sweet fingers when thou
:57:48. > :57:58.gently sway'st. # The wiry concord that mine ear
:57:58. > :58:01.
:58:01. > :58:04.confounds. # Do I envy those jacks that nimble
:58:04. > :58:14.leap? # To kiss the tender inward of thy
:58:14. > :58:35.
:58:35. > :58:45.# Since saucy jacks so happy are in this.
:58:45. > :58:51.
:58:51. > :58:54.# Give them thy fingers, me thy lips to kiss. # Since saucy jacks