:00:39. > :00:44.Good morning, good morning. So, another European embarrassment
:00:44. > :00:48.causing ripples of concern around the world. Unlike the euro, Britain
:00:48. > :00:50.is a member of the Eurovision Song Contest. For anybody to busy
:00:51. > :00:57.staring out of the window or supping beer to have caught up with
:00:57. > :01:01.it, we didn't do very well. What a patriotic hot we are. Here is how
:01:01. > :01:05.the Mail on Sunday described the British entry by Englebert
:01:05. > :01:10.Humperdinck. A forgettable song by a man dressed like a Greek waiter,
:01:10. > :01:15.delivered with all the passion of a bored librarian stamping gardening
:01:15. > :01:19.books. Ouch! Joining me today for our review of the Sunday newspapers,
:01:19. > :01:24.set Harold Evans, a former Sunday Times editor, who knows a thing or
:01:24. > :01:29.two about working for Rupert Murdoch and another former editor,
:01:29. > :01:32.now a common list for the Daily Mail, Amanda Platell. Terrible
:01:32. > :01:37.pictures of dead Syrian children in some of the papers this morning, be
:01:37. > :01:42.warned. Yet, supporters of the Syrian regime are determined to
:01:42. > :01:46.attend the Olympics in London. Our government is equally determined to
:01:46. > :01:50.make sure they don't. Nick Clegg, whose house was surrounded by cuts
:01:51. > :01:54.protesters yesterday, joins me this morning. We will be talking to him
:01:54. > :01:58.about the European crisis and our economic woes in Britain. I will
:01:58. > :02:03.also be asking Germany's deputy finance minister if his country's
:02:03. > :02:07.hardline stance will end up forcing Greece out of the euro.
:02:07. > :02:10.And for years, Tracey Emin was cast as the wild child of British art.
:02:10. > :02:15.She tells me about her new-found peace of mind and her new
:02:15. > :02:20.exhibition. I wonder why I didn't put that in the show. I should have
:02:20. > :02:24.done. I really should have put that into the show. You are almost out
:02:24. > :02:27.of time! After not such a great night at the
:02:27. > :02:36.Eurovision Song Contest, we do at least have some classy music to end
:02:36. > :02:42.this morning from The Voice, Tom Jones singing a classic Leonard
:02:42. > :02:44.Cohen number. # I see you standing on the other
:02:44. > :02:53.side. The # I don't know how the bridge
:02:53. > :02:57.has got so wide. We're going to hear more from Tom
:02:57. > :03:00.and all of the rest later on, but first the news.
:03:00. > :03:06.There is growing international outrage over the killing of more
:03:06. > :03:10.than 90 people, 32 of them children, in the Syrian town of Houla.
:03:10. > :03:15.Hillary Clinton pledged that Washington would work with other
:03:15. > :03:18.countries to end what she called President Assad's rule by murder
:03:18. > :03:23.and fear. The United Nations observers were
:03:23. > :03:29.brought to Houla to see the bodies. They are said to include at least
:03:29. > :03:39.32 children under the age of 10. Angry men aged the observers to
:03:39. > :03:41.
:03:41. > :03:45.take photographs, to document the The UN said tank shells had been
:03:45. > :03:52.used against the civilian population. Hillary Clinton said
:03:52. > :03:55.the rule of President Assad and his cronies have to come to an end. The
:03:55. > :04:03.UK is calling for the Security Council to meet soon and speak with
:04:03. > :04:07.one voice, as it did when deciding to send in the observers. Now we
:04:07. > :04:11.want to see that same unity and we will be urging that amongst our
:04:11. > :04:16.colleagues at the Security Council. Swift, robust, united action is
:04:17. > :04:21.necessary. As bodies are buried in mass graves, the UK wants more
:04:21. > :04:27.sanctions against the regime. It is also calling for those responsible
:04:27. > :04:32.to be tried by the International Criminal Court.
:04:32. > :04:36.The co-chair of the Conservative Party, Lady Warsi, is facing Labour
:04:37. > :04:40.calls for an inquiry into her accommodation expenses. She
:04:40. > :04:46.reportedly claimed expanses while staying in London as a friend's
:04:46. > :04:49.house. She insists that she made an appropriate payment to her friend.
:04:49. > :04:53.A British soldier has been killed in Helmand province in Afghanistan.
:04:53. > :04:58.He was from 1st Battalion the Royal Welsh and was killed by an
:04:58. > :05:01.explosion yesterday while on patrol. His family have been informed.
:05:01. > :05:04.Campaigners opposed to a trial of genetically modified wheat and
:05:04. > :05:10.Harbhajan are being kept away from the test site because of fears that
:05:10. > :05:16.the crop may be damaged. They had been planning a day of action
:05:16. > :05:23.against an experiment being conducted by Rothamsted Research.
:05:23. > :05:29.In the middle of fields, a wheat crop is guarded, hidden from view.
:05:29. > :05:33.The security operation has been in place for some time. I am standing
:05:33. > :05:36.in a restricted area. The protesters cannot walk across this
:05:36. > :05:40.footpath because the experiment is taking place behind that white
:05:40. > :05:44.fence. There was a fear that the crops may be damaged. Researchers
:05:44. > :05:49.have added 18 to the cereal which gives off the same scent as
:05:49. > :05:53.greenfly when warning of danger. It is hoped that they will be tricked
:05:53. > :05:56.into keeping away. Opponents say they are not against the trial in
:05:56. > :06:01.itself, but they are worried that the surrounding area could be
:06:01. > :06:04.contaminated. We have gone through a rigorous process where
:06:04. > :06:10.independent scientists have assessed our work. They have said
:06:10. > :06:15.that there is virtually zero chance this would happen. But not zero?
:06:15. > :06:20.science, there is never zero chance of things happening. There is
:06:20. > :06:24.always a possibility. Even though the risk may be small, it is still
:06:24. > :06:28.a risk. Any risk can impact on the surrounding environment and local
:06:28. > :06:31.biodiversity. The local council had to get consent from the Home
:06:31. > :06:41.Secretary for extra police powers to protect the crop. It is now
:06:41. > :06:51.hoping for a safe, lawful and Sweden has won this year's Europe
:06:51. > :06:54.
:06:54. > :07:01.vision Song contest in Azerbaijan. The former Swedish idol contestant
:07:01. > :07:04.Loreen won by a landslide. She got 327 votes for Euphoria. It wasn't
:07:04. > :07:10.such a good night for Englebert Humperdinck. He came second from
:07:10. > :07:19.last. That is all for now. I'll be back
:07:19. > :07:24.Front pages as usual, the story about the Cabinet minister,
:07:24. > :07:29.Conservative Party chairman Baroness Warsi. The front page of
:07:29. > :07:33.the Telegraph, there. Similar, the Sunday Times, top Tory in expenses
:07:33. > :07:37.scandal. The Scotland on Sunday says that Labour voters, the SNP
:07:37. > :07:42.hopes, will be the ones that deliver independence to Scotland.
:07:42. > :07:46.We also have an interesting story with all of the demonstrations
:07:46. > :07:55.against nuclear power and cuts. You can apparently get special tartan
:07:55. > :08:00.now, the anti-cuts tartan, and there is also an anti-nuclear
:08:00. > :08:04.tartan. The Observer and Independent on Sunday both go for
:08:04. > :08:10.the story about the murdered children and the others massacred
:08:10. > :08:14.in Syria. There is a picture there which is pretty distressing. The
:08:14. > :08:21.Independent, a very strong front page, just talking about it. U-turn
:08:21. > :08:26.in and see the picture. A couple of other headlines, the Sunday Express.
:08:26. > :08:31.Their way Ps raiding children's piggy banks. That is not literally,
:08:31. > :08:37.metaphorically. -- old-age pensioners. The Sun has gone for
:08:37. > :08:44.this terribly fat child, a 63 stone girl. I'm sure we will be talking
:08:44. > :08:49.about that. Welcome. Where are we going to start? We have to start on
:08:49. > :08:53.a sombre note, with the deaths in Syria. It's quite interesting, they
:08:53. > :08:57.had used the pictures of these children in the Observer, 32 of
:08:57. > :09:07.them under 10, some of whom had their throats cut. In a way, this
:09:07. > :09:12.is a more dramatic front page. It has no picture, few words. Inside,
:09:12. > :09:21.they have the pictures. When you were editing a newspaper, you have
:09:21. > :09:26.to make these choices, what pictures you need to use to take
:09:26. > :09:33.the story. I think they did it brilliantly, the Independent. They
:09:33. > :09:38.put it in perspective. We have Alan George, he has written a piece,
:09:38. > :09:48.anybody can understand what is going on in this incomprehensible
:09:48. > :09:50.
:09:50. > :09:56.conflict. Alawites, Sunnis, Shias, impotence in the international
:09:56. > :10:00.field. The story about a Tory Cabinet minister apparently
:10:00. > :10:06.fiddling �165 per night, in the scale of it, it is a Sunday Times
:10:06. > :10:14.scoop, and everybody else has followed it, it is a syndrome
:10:14. > :10:21.called the Daily in another your Is it pretty astonishing that after
:10:21. > :10:24.the earthquake of MP expenses, they just ripped apart the parliamentary
:10:24. > :10:29.classes, not that long ago, the thought that some people are still
:10:29. > :10:33.having problems is pretty weird? Completely extraordinary. As Harry
:10:33. > :10:37.says, it was the splash in the Sunday Times and everybody else
:10:37. > :10:42.picked it up. Baroness Warsi is co- chairman. If she doesn't know what
:10:42. > :10:45.she is supposed to be declaring in her expenses, heaven help us all.
:10:45. > :10:49.There is a real problem for her. I have known her for quite a while.
:10:49. > :10:55.They are not going to be many people sticking up for her, she is
:10:55. > :10:59.deeply unpopular in the party. She could not get a seat herself, David
:10:59. > :11:01.Cameron wanted the first Muslim female in Cabinet so he put her
:11:01. > :11:06.into the House of Lords and parachuted her into government.
:11:06. > :11:09.has been quite brave with some of the issues. She stood up against
:11:09. > :11:15.some of the more reactionary elements of the Muslim community,
:11:15. > :11:21.quite courageously? She has done, as has Priti Patel, she is not the
:11:21. > :11:26.only Asian woman doing that. This is deeply damaging to her. Again,
:11:26. > :11:34.one of Cameron's favourite little pets. It certainly a story and I
:11:34. > :11:44.would certainly run at. The Independent had it right, in
:11:44. > :11:48.
:11:48. > :11:53.relation to the serious story. -- You spend most of your time in the
:11:53. > :11:58.States, let's turn into what is shaping up to be a more interesting
:11:58. > :12:05.American race than we were expecting? There is a very good
:12:05. > :12:10.piece by Newsweek. Forget who is ahead in the polling, that does not
:12:10. > :12:17.matter. What matters is the view of the people on the economy. Wrong
:12:17. > :12:22.track all right track? Obama is in some difficulty. 30% of Americans
:12:22. > :12:28.say they are worse off than when he came in. He inherited a terrible
:12:28. > :12:31.mess from one of your friends, George W Bush. He got a surplus
:12:31. > :12:35.from Bill Clinton. Is there a sense of disappointment among a huge
:12:35. > :12:41.number of people who voted for him last time round? The question is if
:12:41. > :12:46.they are going to come out again. They expected to much. They gave
:12:46. > :12:51.him three halos and he just about deserved half of one. Who is Mitt
:12:51. > :12:57.Romney? If you can tell me who he is, I can give you a pot of gold.
:12:57. > :13:05.What day is it? It is his day to beat pro Europe. Oh, no, it is his
:13:05. > :13:11.day to be anti-Europe. Obama is a cool character. He has actually
:13:11. > :13:18.lost some of his hot appeal. But rational people are going to have
:13:18. > :13:24.find it difficult to decide who Mitt Romney his. He speaks in
:13:24. > :13:30.pretty boring prose? The promises were too great. Do Leveson Inquiry?
:13:30. > :13:34.What troubled Mr Jeremy Hunt. is in today. We have David Cameron
:13:34. > :13:39.turning up at the Leveson Inquiry on Thursday. You cannot pick up a
:13:39. > :13:44.paper these days without there being some story about the link
:13:44. > :13:49.between Rupert Murdoch and Jeremy Hunt, their companies. It is not a
:13:49. > :13:54.huge and corrupt link. But it just doesn't go away. There was another
:13:54. > :13:59.story, saying that he is looking to quit the Cabinet after the Olympics.
:14:00. > :14:03.I don't know if he will last that long. I called the Leveson Inquiry
:14:03. > :14:08.the festival of forgetfulness. You got together the best forgetful
:14:08. > :14:18.people. What I want to know about the Leveson Inquiry... Up you gave
:14:18. > :14:19.
:14:19. > :14:25.evidence? It become clear in that, did I lie? Did someone else lie? Do
:14:25. > :14:33.you still have the law of perjury? Yes, we do. I swore on the Bible.
:14:34. > :14:38.So, it really is quite amazing. As for Mr Hunt, his judicial robes are
:14:38. > :14:43.like the emperor's clothes. They did exist, he is naked. He is
:14:43. > :14:50.nakedly naive, his judgment is so appalling. I don't even know why he
:14:50. > :14:55.is still in the office. Well, it is very difficult to demonstrate a
:14:55. > :15:00.negative, we can see all of the relationships, we can see the track
:15:00. > :15:03.of the text and so on. But if he asserts that he put all of that out
:15:03. > :15:13.of his mind when he took the decision, how is anyone going to
:15:13. > :15:22.
:15:22. > :15:26.It is like the dagger in the library with some fingerprints. It
:15:26. > :15:31.is transparent. He is apparently a very nice guy without an ounce of
:15:31. > :15:36.common sense. We must do a bit of the royals. A lot of the papers
:15:36. > :15:42.have lovely jubilee coverage. There is a fantastic bit of good news for
:15:42. > :15:46.Charles Ann Cryer. -- and Camilla. It is the first poll that says he
:15:46. > :15:52.is more popular than William and the majority of people would now be
:15:52. > :16:01.happy for him to become king. Who would ever have thought it?
:16:01. > :16:11.drew my attention to this wonderful street party somewhere... Where is
:16:11. > :16:14.
:16:14. > :16:18.that? Look at that. I can remember street parties for the coronation.
:16:18. > :16:22.When you look at the joy of that thing, and you hear some of these
:16:22. > :16:28.moaning minnies outside Nick Clegg's house saying, the Royal
:16:28. > :16:31.Family, get rid of the Republic... Give me a break. One of the
:16:31. > :16:35.interesting things about Britain is that the head of state is the Queen.
:16:35. > :16:41.I hate the American system where the per head of state is the
:16:41. > :16:47.political head of government. Keep the Queen. There will be if you
:16:47. > :16:50.Republicans out there. Trying to rain on her parade. There are a
:16:50. > :16:56.couple of eloquent Republican pieces in the paper today, there is
:16:56. > :17:02.one in the Mail on Sunday and a piece in the Observer, about the
:17:02. > :17:06.Republicans having the their own anti Jubilee parties. I am going to
:17:06. > :17:10.be put in bunting up all over the front of my house this afternoon. I
:17:10. > :17:15.am not going to have any Republicans come near me. I will
:17:15. > :17:25.give them short shrift. I will give you a hand! I have about 40 metres
:17:25. > :17:25.
:17:25. > :17:33.There are not Republican colours, it is interesting, what would that
:17:33. > :17:38.look like? Black. All right, OK. One last quick one. Isn't this the
:17:38. > :17:42.most humiliating thing in the world? Engelbert Humperdinck thumbs
:17:42. > :17:46.last and these grannies came second. I blame David Cameron because he
:17:46. > :17:50.has been so nasty to Europe and they all hate us. On a brisk and
:17:50. > :17:54.robust note, thank you both very much indeed for now. Now to the
:17:54. > :17:58.weather. I'd almost forgotten what a balmy early summer day felt like,
:17:58. > :18:00.and frankly, just for a while, I don't really care about droughts.
:18:00. > :18:10.So the question is whether the sunshine's going to continue for
:18:10. > :18:15.the rest of the weekend? To tell us, For most of us, yes. It will be
:18:15. > :18:21.another fine and sunny day. The hot spot in the Highlands of Scotland
:18:21. > :18:24.but not far behind in London. Most of us start the day sunny but we do
:18:24. > :18:29.have fog patches affecting the East Coast of Scotland, north-east
:18:29. > :18:33.England. They will burn back to the coast before mostly clearing away.
:18:33. > :18:38.To the south-west of England, the weather front will bring heavy and
:18:38. > :18:43.pad as thundery rain. It will eventually turn up in southern
:18:43. > :18:47.Wales -- perhaps thundery rain. Overnight we will see fog patches
:18:47. > :18:51.redeveloping. This time perhaps pushing further south, threatening
:18:51. > :18:56.the coastline of Lincolnshire and Norfolk. Monday morning, most of us
:18:56. > :19:01.start off on a sunny note. We will see a bit more cloud bubbling up
:19:01. > :19:05.and we could see more showers, thunderstorms even threatening one
:19:05. > :19:08.or two places from London towards the Pennine areas. It will be
:19:08. > :19:12.another warm day with the exception of the north-east of Scotland where
:19:12. > :19:16.a cold front will move in. As far as the rest of the week,
:19:16. > :19:20.temperatures will stay warm but not quite as hot as it has been. We may
:19:20. > :19:23.see further thunderstorms developing towards Wednesday. We
:19:23. > :19:31.could see the storm clouds gathering over Westminster in the
:19:31. > :19:35.They are always over Westminster! For a long time, it seemed Germany
:19:35. > :19:38.was in the driving seat in Europe. Supported by Nicolas Sarkozy,
:19:38. > :19:40.Angela Merkel could tell the struggling eurozone countries -
:19:40. > :19:43.deliver austerity or don't expect any bailout money. But voters
:19:43. > :19:46.intervened - the Greek government was turfed out and in France, a new
:19:46. > :19:50.President began insisting Berlin must share more of the Eurozone's
:19:50. > :19:57.debt burden. So why won't Germany agree? That's a question I put to
:19:57. > :20:03.Germany's deputy finance minister, Steffen Kampeter. I don't see that
:20:03. > :20:07.in this very moment, because the sources of trouble are the him
:20:07. > :20:13.balanced-budget in Europe. Nobody will invest in balance -- budgets
:20:13. > :20:19.which are not reliable. The fiscal Compaq is the answer to regain
:20:19. > :20:24.trust in the stability of the public services and finances within
:20:24. > :20:32.the eurozone. I don't see that there is a need of common financing.
:20:32. > :20:37.I see that there is a need of, and consolidation. Yet with --, and
:20:37. > :20:42.consolidation. Isn't there a danger that the rich countries get richer,
:20:42. > :20:47.the poor get poorer and the whole thing breaks up. You make an
:20:47. > :20:53.important point. The internal rebalancing within the eurozone is
:20:53. > :20:57.a task where we should address over the next years. But this means more
:20:57. > :21:01.competitiveness in those countries who have a negative balance, and
:21:01. > :21:06.more internal demand in those countries like Germany, which they
:21:06. > :21:11.have a surplus. If you see the actual development, for example the
:21:11. > :21:16.wage bargaining process actually taking place in Germany, we have a
:21:16. > :21:22.good deal to make a good contribution for rebalancing the
:21:22. > :21:26.eurozone. As long as we consume more, other countries should invest
:21:26. > :21:31.in the competitiveness, which is quite crucial to rebalance the
:21:31. > :21:35.eurozone in general. What is the mood in Berlin about the Greek
:21:36. > :21:39.problem? Is there a sense of resignation that Greece is now
:21:39. > :21:45.doomed to exit the euro? European integration is not a
:21:45. > :21:50.matter of mood. I would contradict on that one. The European
:21:50. > :21:54.integration, and it includes Greece, is a matter of political will. The
:21:54. > :21:59.heads of state, not only in the eurozone but in Europe in general,
:21:59. > :22:05.have worked hard over the last two- and-a-half years to keep the Greeks
:22:05. > :22:13.in. We are not losing face in our common effort at this very moment,
:22:13. > :22:19.but it is quite clear the Greeks are to deliver policy change with a
:22:19. > :22:25.stable government. That is what we are requiring from them. We are
:22:25. > :22:29.hopeful that when they have elected, on 17th June, the situation will
:22:29. > :22:33.emotionally calm down. I don't see any alternative but to go on with
:22:33. > :22:37.the reforms, stabilising the public budget and investing in future
:22:37. > :22:42.growth in Greece. You're getting a lot of advice from British
:22:42. > :22:49.politicians, including recently, Nick Clegg. We are not in the euro,
:22:49. > :22:53.does that advice produce any sense of resentment? People who do not
:22:53. > :22:58.pay in the euro are interested in the development in the eurozone and
:22:58. > :23:02.that shows we have a common interest in stability in Europe.
:23:02. > :23:08.Actually, I see the British Government is constructively
:23:08. > :23:12.participating in that discussion, and I think this shows a common
:23:12. > :23:18.understanding that only with stability in the eurozone, Europe
:23:18. > :23:23.as a whole can perform related to growth and other things, better. I
:23:23. > :23:27.don't think that it is negative that the House of Commons or Number
:23:28. > :23:30.10, people are concerned and trying to support our cause.
:23:30. > :23:35.Germany's deputy finance minister, Steffen Kampeter, talking to me
:23:35. > :23:41.earlier. A wonder how many of our ministers could conduct a interview
:23:41. > :23:44.in German -- I wonder. Once upon a time Tracey Emin was
:23:44. > :23:47.cast as the wild child of British art - Mad Tracey from Margate -
:23:47. > :23:50.with works such as her un-made bed, and a tent embroidered with the
:23:50. > :23:53.names of everyone she'd ever slept with. But however controversial,
:23:53. > :23:56.she's always been very popular too - and constantly surprising. She's
:23:56. > :23:59.just opened a show of fresh work at the new Turner Contemporary gallery
:23:59. > :24:06.in Margate, which is free to visit, and has already welcomed 500,000
:24:06. > :24:10.people in its first year. When we met at her studio in east London, I
:24:10. > :24:15.asked Tracey Emin about the work she's showing there. My original
:24:15. > :24:20.idea was to make work about Margate but that is like taking coals to
:24:20. > :24:26.Newcastle. I chose works by road and an Turner and chose their
:24:26. > :24:32.erotic works, show I decided to make the show about love, sex, all
:24:32. > :24:36.of that kind of thing. There is a lot of drawing. A lot of the work
:24:36. > :24:40.is in this rather beautiful cobalt blue. There is something about blue
:24:40. > :24:45.that you have been attracted to at the moment. It is an uplifting
:24:45. > :24:50.colour. It wasn't intentional. I went to Italy to look at Marble,
:24:50. > :24:54.and I had one tube of blue paint and a sketch book, and I did lots
:24:54. > :24:58.of drawings in my hotel room. A number of them have been exhibited
:24:58. > :25:01.and it lifted me, the whole experience, I felt very happy.
:25:01. > :25:05.is a great gallery, there is nothing like it in the south-east.
:25:05. > :25:09.There is nothing like it in the world. Margate was a seaside town
:25:09. > :25:13.in the doldrums going down. Now Margate is definitely coming up and
:25:13. > :25:18.it is all because of the gallery. It is really beautiful. Some people
:25:18. > :25:23.refer to it as the shed which I think is cruel. It is a very simple
:25:23. > :25:27.shape. When you have a very blue day, the gallery completely
:25:27. > :25:32.disappears into the skyline and the emphasis is on the fantastic
:25:32. > :25:38.sunsets that Margate has, which Turner painted. It is why he went
:25:38. > :25:44.there in the first place, for the best sunsets in the world. Even his
:25:44. > :25:48.paintings which were not Margate, he still used the Margate sunset.
:25:48. > :25:54.You are a professor of drawing, are you going back to drawing in a big
:25:54. > :26:00.way? It is not just drawing, it is like, if you have got it, flaunt it.
:26:00. > :26:04.I can draw and I love drawing. Ever think I am doing now, you can see
:26:04. > :26:09.it with the bronze sculptures, everything is touched by my hands.
:26:09. > :26:13.I am an artist, I have got feelings. They are coming out more and more
:26:13. > :26:17.in what I do. I am almost reverting back to when I was a teenager in
:26:17. > :26:23.some ways and I am not ashamed of it, I am celebrating it and
:26:23. > :26:29.enjoying it. Let's talk more about that. You are still, however much
:26:29. > :26:33.you may regret it, known for the early works. I don't regret any of
:26:33. > :26:40.my work. The only thing they ever regret in life is smoking, I wish I
:26:40. > :26:46.had never smoked. I am proud of my work, proud of my bent and -- my
:26:46. > :26:50.bed and my tent. I made two seminal pieces of work. A lot of artists
:26:50. > :26:56.don't make seminal pieces of work which changed the perception of art
:26:56. > :27:00.history. I did that. One of the things you're doing is making it
:27:00. > :27:04.big in ordering, but trying to keep the fluidity and sponsor nature of
:27:04. > :27:13.the hand and the rest -- make it big in your career. I think you
:27:13. > :27:18.understand how difficult that is. It is really hard. Matisse used to
:27:18. > :27:23.draw with a long stick and he would have a sweeping a line. So that the
:27:23. > :27:28.paper is in proportion to the action you make with your hand. I
:27:28. > :27:32.am just trying to do it with your hand. You are drawing a line and
:27:32. > :27:37.when you come back, everything looks different. It is difficult is
:27:37. > :27:41.fun and I am enjoying it. It seems that the drawings you're doing, the
:27:42. > :27:45.other thing they are about his seeing how little you can get away
:27:45. > :27:52.with in terms of what you are expressing. You want to get as much
:27:52. > :27:57.for as little? Yes, I do. I have said they like Cave woman drawings.
:27:57. > :28:01.Boom, boom, boom. I go out, I get my food and I come back to my cave
:28:01. > :28:06.and I make my drawing before it gets dark, it is that kind of thing,
:28:06. > :28:10.like a primal action. I need to create, how much time do I have? I
:28:10. > :28:17.need to get my message through as quickly and as immediately as
:28:17. > :28:21.possible. The things I have learned, I want to put them into my work. I
:28:21. > :28:25.don't want to ignore what I know. Now I am Professor of drawing at
:28:25. > :28:30.the Royal Academy, I owe it to the students to fulfil what I am
:28:30. > :28:35.supposed to be good at. So I have got to start working harder. Yes.
:28:35. > :28:41.You say Royal Academy professor, we are talking the night that after
:28:41. > :28:46.you were with the Queen. Tracey from Margate has become pretty
:28:46. > :28:50.establishment, haven't you? establishment has changed. Our
:28:50. > :28:54.ideas of what establishment was 20 years ago is very different. We
:28:54. > :28:59.live within a very good meritocracy in this country. The establishment
:28:59. > :29:02.was always class-based before. It is not now. The establishment is
:29:02. > :29:07.about education, understanding, about pulling other people through
:29:07. > :29:10.a system. If I have become part of that, I am happy. It is a good,
:29:10. > :29:16.positive thing. It is an establishment of people who have
:29:16. > :29:19.got talent? Yes. You famously supported the Conservatives at the
:29:19. > :29:24.election which surprised a lot of people because everybody in the art
:29:24. > :29:29.world has to be on the left. They do, because at art school, we are.
:29:29. > :29:33.When I look at the political system and what I feel most aligned to,
:29:33. > :29:37.the Conservatives, when I worked it out, is what I should vote for for
:29:37. > :29:41.the position I'm in at the moment. I live in a democracy and I am
:29:41. > :29:44.entitled to vote for who I want. These are tough times but how do
:29:44. > :29:49.you think it is going, the coalition? I think the country is
:29:49. > :29:53.in a mess. Everyone should pull together and help each other
:29:53. > :30:00.instead of this pathetic bickering. They should be men, even the women
:30:00. > :30:04.should be men. Man up, everybody! Yes, muscle in and make the country
:30:04. > :30:08.a better place. Britain is fantastic. We have the Olympics, so
:30:08. > :30:11.many fantastic things happening, it is an up moment and people should
:30:11. > :30:16.not make things bad, they should make things good. Do you call
:30:16. > :30:21.yourself a monarchist? I really love the Queen, she is brilliant.
:30:21. > :30:24.Our figurehead of our country is a woman. An exceptional woman. This
:30:25. > :30:30.is a fantastic thing for this country. We haven't got a
:30:30. > :30:34.dictatorship, we haven't got a President that is going to go out
:30:34. > :30:37.in four years time. We have a woman who has been doing a brilliant job
:30:37. > :30:47.for 60 years. I think the British public are just starting to
:30:47. > :30:50.
:30:50. > :30:55.I have met her, I had lots of different options. I could have
:30:55. > :30:59.drawn how I felt about meeting hair, how she we de luxe, A likeness.
:30:59. > :31:04.There were many different options. What I decided to do was a bit like
:31:04. > :31:09.the caveman drawings. I decided to draw the stamp of the Queen, how we
:31:09. > :31:13.feel about the Queen, what is recognisable as the Queen, even if
:31:13. > :31:19.you are a child. You understand what the Queen looks like. What I
:31:19. > :31:24.wanted to do was universal, but the Queen is universal, I think. Tracey
:31:24. > :31:29.Emin, in your cave, thank you very much.
:31:29. > :31:32.Her new exhibition, which is called She Lay Down Deep Beneath the Sea,
:31:32. > :31:36.is on at the Turner Contemporary in Margate until September.
:31:36. > :31:41.The singing legend Tom Jones has made a joyous return to Saturday-
:31:41. > :31:45.night television in his role as a coach for the BBC talent show The
:31:46. > :31:49.Voice. As much as he enjoys mentoring talent, he is a very
:31:49. > :31:57.successful performer and recording artist. His latest album is full of
:31:57. > :32:02.gritty, bluesy tracks by favourite writers including Leonard Cohen's
:32:02. > :32:07.Tom pea, which we talked about recently. He wrote it for himself,
:32:07. > :32:13.being a songwriter. As far as he is concerned, Tower of Song is where
:32:13. > :32:17.he creates his songs. I had to change a few words, so that it
:32:17. > :32:21.would suit me as a singer. I was born with the gift of a golden
:32:21. > :32:26.voice, which Leonard Cohen is singing ironically, but you
:32:26. > :32:32.actually were. It is full of strange lines about destiny. Mighty
:32:32. > :32:36.judgment coming. I may be wrong, that is a great line? Leonard Cohen
:32:36. > :32:40.is one of my favourites. There were a couple of his that I wanted to
:32:40. > :32:50.try. The best one, the one that turned out the most natural, was
:32:50. > :32:50.
:32:51. > :33:00.POW of song. The opening line, my hair is grey, I ate in the places
:33:01. > :33:01.
:33:01. > :33:07.I'm in the business. Absolutely. The other thing that people are
:33:07. > :33:13.added to know more about his The Voice at the moment. I gather that
:33:13. > :33:18.you actually tier up with some of the performances? It had
:33:18. > :33:20.stratospheric ratings to start with and then it went down again. As a
:33:20. > :33:27.member of the team, are you constantly looking at the format,
:33:27. > :33:34.is it working, how is it going? myself. I am on there to do what I
:33:34. > :33:42.do. That is to give advice to young singers. The show goes through a
:33:42. > :33:46.different elements. The blind auditions comedy start with. As it
:33:46. > :33:50.goes on, you going to the battles, another part of the show. You try
:33:51. > :33:55.to cut down the team. And then it goes on from there. It's changing
:33:55. > :33:59.constantly. People are already wondering if there is going to be a
:33:59. > :34:04.second series and whether you would come back to be a judge. It all
:34:04. > :34:10.depends. We would like to get this one done, first. And then see what
:34:10. > :34:14.the reaction has been. Then we will talk about maybe doing another one.
:34:14. > :34:18.What about the contrast with the way that you came up as a singer?
:34:18. > :34:22.You were doing the clubs and in some ways it must have been tougher,
:34:22. > :34:27.you are in front of live audiences, you have to perform every time. It
:34:27. > :34:31.is a longer process. With Palmer shows it is instant fame or crash
:34:31. > :34:36.and burn? -- talent shows. difference is that these people
:34:36. > :34:40.have been thrown in the deep end. They go straight into it. When I
:34:40. > :34:45.look at them and hear them singing, I think, my God, some of them it is
:34:45. > :34:52.the first time they have been on television, live on Saturday night,
:34:52. > :35:02.to millions of people. When I first went on television, you are a bit
:35:02. > :35:02.
:35:02. > :35:11.nervous. It is a new day, it's another time. You can't really
:35:11. > :35:15.compare it to 50 years ago, when I started. Thank you very much indeed.
:35:15. > :35:21.We are going to here you singing that wonderful song, Tower of Song,
:35:21. > :35:28.at the end of the show. In the House of Commons this past
:35:29. > :35:31.week, two senior government figures were conspicuously absent, Nick
:35:31. > :35:34.Clegg and Vince Cable were in Germany where their mission was to
:35:34. > :35:38.warn Berlin that a Greek exit from the eurozone could have drastic
:35:38. > :35:41.consequences. This is the latest in a series of high-profile
:35:41. > :35:47.interventions by them on issues such as growth, investment and
:35:47. > :35:50.protecting workers' rights. Following the Liberal Democrat's
:35:50. > :35:53.disastrous local election performance, does this mean it is a
:35:53. > :35:58.new attempt to exercise power and influence in the coalition? Nick
:35:58. > :36:01.Clegg is with me. Can I start by talking about these very
:36:01. > :36:06.distressing images in so many of the papers today after this
:36:06. > :36:11.massacre of people, including many children, with their throats cut,
:36:11. > :36:15.in Syria? Syrian general, the one in charge of their Olympic team and
:36:15. > :36:20.others, they say they are absolutely determined to come to
:36:20. > :36:23.London for the Olympics. Are we going to stop them? Like you, I
:36:23. > :36:28.think the scenes of savagery we have seen on our television screens
:36:28. > :36:32.this morning and last night are revolting, stomach-churning. As a
:36:32. > :36:36.government, we have recently changed the rules about who we are
:36:36. > :36:40.allowing to this country and who we refuse entry to. For the first time
:36:40. > :36:45.we are saying, as a country, if there is evidence you have abused
:36:45. > :36:48.human rights and it is independently shown as the case,
:36:48. > :36:52.you will not be allowed into the country. What I cannot do is city
:36:52. > :36:56.and give you the list of people who are allowed to come and those that
:36:56. > :37:03.are coming as part of the arrangements with the Olympic
:37:03. > :37:08.Committee for Sock It a senior Syrian Olympic team comes with a
:37:08. > :37:12.Military General, will we stop them? I cannot talk about the
:37:13. > :37:16.International Olympic Committee, but as far as we are concerned, if
:37:16. > :37:21.you have abused human rights and that is shown to be the case, you
:37:22. > :37:26.are not welcome in this country. The IOC can have their views, but
:37:26. > :37:30.it is the British government, in the end, who controls who comes in?
:37:30. > :37:34.Absolutely, we have changed our policy in a big way. If you have
:37:34. > :37:38.abused human rights, you cannot come in. We can be sure that people
:37:38. > :37:44.connected to all of this stuff will not be here for the Olympics?
:37:44. > :37:49.course. What I can't telly is exactly each individual. -- what I
:37:50. > :37:57.can't tell you is which individuals will apply to come. But a principle
:37:57. > :38:01.of presumption has been introduced by as, which says, for the first
:38:01. > :38:05.time, and actually many other countries do not do this, if you
:38:05. > :38:10.have been shown to abuse human rights you are not allowed in.
:38:10. > :38:14.Let's turn to what you were saying in Germany last week, what Vince
:38:14. > :38:18.Cable was saying as well. Can we be clear, you think it would be a
:38:18. > :38:21.disaster for Greece to be forced out and have to leave the eurozone
:38:22. > :38:25.because it would start a slide which would involve other countries
:38:25. > :38:29.leaving as well and therefore the unravelling of the project?
:38:29. > :38:33.thing you need to remember about the creation of the single currency,
:38:33. > :38:40.whatever your views, is that it was considered to be an era of global
:38:40. > :38:48.step. It could not be reversed once you created the currency. Once that
:38:48. > :38:53.has proved not to be the case, the unravelling effect is almost
:38:53. > :38:57.impossible to predict. I'm not saying there is anybody saying that,
:38:57. > :39:01.certainly not in the UK government, but some commentators are saying,
:39:01. > :39:06.let's take the risk of seeing the unravelling. The Prime Minister was
:39:06. > :39:10.getting close to this, he says, they have to decide, is Greece
:39:10. > :39:14.going to go or stay? What he was saying, which I share, is that it
:39:14. > :39:18.is for the Greek people to decide what their future is. If they want
:39:18. > :39:22.to stay in the eurozone they have to abide by this package of
:39:22. > :39:26.assistance provided to them. What he was saying was quite right. We
:39:26. > :39:32.are entering into new territory if the so-called single currency bloc
:39:32. > :39:36.that was going to be there forever starts eroding on the edges. Greece,
:39:36. > :39:43.in and of itself, is not a particularly important economy. It
:39:43. > :39:47.is only a small percentage of the European Union. But it is the knock
:39:47. > :39:51.on effect. In this country, whatever your views on Europe, we
:39:52. > :39:55.are intimately bound with what happens in the European hinterland.
:39:55. > :39:59.3.5 million people's jobs in the country depend on our place in the
:39:59. > :40:05.single market. About 50% of exports going to the rest of the eurozone.
:40:05. > :40:09.My bottom line is what is right for British jobs and growth. In my view,
:40:09. > :40:12.a stable, strong, prosperous eurozone has to be good for us.
:40:12. > :40:15.Let's pursue how you think that must happen. What you're saying is
:40:15. > :40:22.that in effect Germany and the stronger economies have to stand
:40:22. > :40:26.behind European debt, commit themselves to it. That is really
:40:26. > :40:32.quite close to being a genuine single economy, with a single
:40:32. > :40:35.fiscal policy, single tax, single welfare. In your view, that is the
:40:35. > :40:40.only way forward to make sure it holds together? The great tragedy
:40:40. > :40:44.is that when the eurozone was created the rules were not stuck to.
:40:44. > :40:48.By the way, it was Germany and France, the previous governments,
:40:48. > :40:52.that signalled they were not going to abide by the rules. It was not
:40:52. > :40:55.just the weaker countries, it was the stronger countries. A number of
:40:55. > :40:59.countries did not introduce the reforms that should have
:40:59. > :41:02.accompanied the creation of the eurozone. The foundation is much
:41:02. > :41:06.weaker than anybody predicted. The key thing to do is not to try to
:41:06. > :41:11.deal with it in a piecemeal way. We have had far too long attention
:41:11. > :41:15.devoted to banks, to this country or that country, this crisis will
:41:15. > :41:19.that crisis. This summit all that summit. You have to string these
:41:19. > :41:23.things together, not only talking about austerity, but also policies
:41:23. > :41:27.to boost growth. Not just discipline but also solidarity. Not
:41:27. > :41:30.just recapitalising the banks but making sure that the economic
:41:30. > :41:35.reforms that need to accompany monetary union are properly
:41:35. > :41:40.implemented. These things have not been brought together into a new
:41:40. > :41:43.grand bargain which I think is now very urgent. That's new grand
:41:43. > :41:48.bargain would effectively melt the European economies more tightly
:41:48. > :41:55.together, yes? The interesting thing from Britain's perspective is
:41:55. > :41:58.that actually the Grand bargain is in effect between north and south.
:41:58. > :42:02.You are saying to the weaker parts of the eurozone that you have to
:42:02. > :42:07.introduce a very painful, long overdue economic reforms if you
:42:07. > :42:10.want to remain a prosperous part of this union. What you are saying to
:42:10. > :42:16.the wealthier countries is that you have to do something to help those
:42:16. > :42:24.weaker countries. Euro bonds? could either neutralise debt, have
:42:24. > :42:28.some way of sharing it, or you can transfer bits of money. But it can
:42:28. > :42:35.only be part of a bargain whether we are countries do the reforms
:42:35. > :42:39.they haven't done. That grand bargain can only work if European
:42:39. > :42:43.countries feel they are all in this together. If that works and we have
:42:43. > :42:48.a much more unified European Union on the Continent, is that the
:42:48. > :42:52.moment when we are going to have the choice that we can either go
:42:52. > :42:55.into this thing or cut ourselves off from it? I don't think it will
:42:55. > :43:01.be such a fall in the road. What is almost certainly inevitable is that,
:43:01. > :43:05.one way or another, if the eurozone is to thrive in future, you will
:43:05. > :43:10.see a process of greater co- ordination on budgetary and tax
:43:10. > :43:14.issues. That, of course, means that the channel will become that little
:43:14. > :43:17.bit wider. It doesn't mean that we should in any way forgo our role as
:43:17. > :43:21.a leading member of the European Union in the single market on which
:43:21. > :43:25.we depend so heavily. My bottom line is that however these things
:43:26. > :43:29.change, what is good for British growth and jobs, and I think we can
:43:29. > :43:33.square the circle, allowed the eurozone to do what is necessary to
:43:33. > :43:37.sort the eurozone out, protect Britain's interests in the central
:43:37. > :43:42.market. To without having to join the euro? I don't think there is
:43:42. > :43:47.any chance of those joining the euro. We read today that the Home
:43:48. > :43:54.Office has got emergency plans if Rhys does leave the euro to stop
:43:54. > :43:58.the citizens of other EU countries joining -- coming into this country.
:43:58. > :44:03.Emergency immigration controls if things start to collapse? Theresa
:44:03. > :44:06.May has been very clear. She says the Home Office keeps an eye on
:44:06. > :44:09.migration patterns across Europe. She said a little bit more than
:44:09. > :44:14.that. She says that the Greeks are in trouble and people want to come
:44:14. > :44:18.to this country, from other European countries, she is going to
:44:18. > :44:23.bring the barrier down? It was quite a sensible thing to say, she
:44:23. > :44:26.said she keeps all of these things under review. I think some of the
:44:26. > :44:31.breathless talk in the media about pulling up the drawbridge to stop
:44:31. > :44:35.hordes of people migrating across Europe is far-fetched, apocalyptic
:44:35. > :44:39.in tone and deeply unhelpful. What I hope will happen is that the Grid
:44:39. > :44:42.people will choose to stay in the eurozone, not withstanding the
:44:42. > :44:48.sacrifices that involves, and there will be a new agreement to come up
:44:48. > :44:54.with a comprehensive solution to the eurozone. Lurching to project
:44:54. > :44:57.the most apocalyptic outcome... Theresa May has been doing?
:44:57. > :45:01.hasn't, she said this is something that the Home Office keeps under
:45:01. > :45:05.review, as it should. Let's turn to this economy, flat on its back,
:45:05. > :45:10.this was meant to be the time we would get growth. No sign of it.
:45:10. > :45:14.Christine Lagard has said, yes, of course, the austerity plan was
:45:15. > :45:18.important to keep the AAA rating. But now it has to change course,
:45:18. > :45:27.Britain has do have a Plan B or something like it for growth? Is
:45:27. > :45:31.The think what is right, if you look back over the last two years,
:45:31. > :45:36.we have done some pretty difficult heavy lifting to sort out the banks.
:45:36. > :45:40.Let's look forward. Hang on, they are related. You can only move
:45:40. > :45:45.forward if you do the homework sorting out the bank's system,
:45:45. > :45:48.trying to stabilise it, filling the blank hole -- black hole in the
:45:48. > :45:52.public finances. Because we have done that we have the breathing
:45:52. > :45:56.space to do what other people are suggesting, which is to step up a
:45:56. > :46:01.gear, to do our bit to support demand. For instance, a suggestion
:46:01. > :46:04.that I have talked about, the Prime Minister has talked about, which is
:46:05. > :46:08.using the government's balance sheet, the credibility they have
:46:08. > :46:13.got to leverage money into the hands of small and medium-sized
:46:13. > :46:17.enterprises. I think we're being open about the fact that this is
:46:17. > :46:21.the direction of travel we are moving in. We of course accept that
:46:21. > :46:25.we as a government need to be resolute on certain parts of our
:46:25. > :46:32.plan, not least dealing with the public finances. But of course,
:46:32. > :46:36.adaptable. The double-dip has now been confirmed, unemployment is
:46:36. > :46:40.terribly serious. We have seen direction of travel, we haven't
:46:40. > :46:45.actually heard what you are going to do for plan B. I think that
:46:45. > :46:49.isn't right, I think it you consider that just last month week
:46:49. > :46:52.launched a �1 billion programme, about four times the size of
:46:52. > :46:57.labour's own suggestions of youth unemployment, to deal with young
:46:57. > :47:02.people who are not able to get into jobs. To help half a million
:47:02. > :47:06.youngsters to learn or learn. We have only just launched it. When
:47:06. > :47:11.you are trying to turn around and economy, which was as damaged as
:47:11. > :47:15.ours in 2008, there are not magic wand overnight solutions. The basic
:47:15. > :47:18.plan, which is dealing with the mediant emergency, one of public
:47:18. > :47:23.finances and the bank's system, and then moving on in the second half
:47:23. > :47:27.of this Parliament, to do our bit to get credit into the hands of
:47:27. > :47:33.small companies who can't get hold of loans on reasonable terms,
:47:33. > :47:38.investing at infrastructure... banking system, to ensure money is
:47:38. > :47:42.going to small companies, are we going to see some big public sector
:47:42. > :47:45.work projects, more roads and railways to get people work again?
:47:45. > :47:49.You can use the credibility that we have established in dealing with
:47:49. > :47:53.the government's balance sheet to act as a catalyst, an insurance
:47:53. > :47:56.policy to get others to invest in housing and infrastructure. On the
:47:56. > :48:00.banks, I agree the banks are damaged, they are having to repair
:48:00. > :48:04.their balance sheets. We need to help them through that process. We
:48:05. > :48:11.can do not all things to in effect bypass the banks, to get money into
:48:11. > :48:15.the hands of people. We will hear more about the shortly? Yes. Was it
:48:15. > :48:19.true that you and David Cameron got together to decide that the top
:48:19. > :48:24.rate of tax was not going to go down to 40 PE, but 45 PE is enough.
:48:24. > :48:30.I am not going to get into who said what when. We have been clear that
:48:30. > :48:34.of next April it will go down to 45p. I have observed that it is
:48:34. > :48:43.higher that the top rate was under 12 years and 11 months under Labour.
:48:43. > :48:47.Labour had 40p for pretty much the whole time in office. You came into
:48:47. > :48:52.government saying he wanted to take on vested interests, and change the
:48:52. > :48:55.system. In terms of vested interests and people's suspicion,
:48:56. > :49:01.nothing has been stickier than the relationship of some politicians
:49:01. > :49:05.and media magnet. What do you think when you feel it's the tone of this
:49:05. > :49:10.slew of texts and e-mail messages between people working for the
:49:10. > :49:14.Govan, members of the government and people working for the media
:49:14. > :49:18.empire -- the Murdoch empire -- people working for the government.
:49:18. > :49:22.It is time we clean up what I consider to be broken establishment.
:49:22. > :49:28.I have been in government for two years but I have learned that I am
:49:28. > :49:31.more rather than less convinced that the way in which power
:49:31. > :49:35.influenced in this country is broken. In that specific case, what
:49:35. > :49:39.is your reaction? We have the Leveson inquiry looking into the
:49:39. > :49:43.relationship between media and politicians, and media and the
:49:43. > :49:48.police. We have a proposal to clean up the way in which the House of
:49:48. > :49:54.Lords has become a retirement home for former politicians. We have a
:49:54. > :49:59.cross-party talks on party funding, we have proposals to make up
:49:59. > :50:03.lobbying more transparent. It is a once in a generation opportunity...
:50:03. > :50:08.Can I it stressed... Are you concerned by the tone of those e-
:50:08. > :50:15.mails and texts? Clearly, the different roles became bound up
:50:15. > :50:20.with each other, and it is too unhealthy when politicians end up
:50:20. > :50:30.in the pockets of media moguls. It is also offensive when the Labour
:50:30. > :50:31.
:50:31. > :50:34.It is not just a question for people like me interested in the
:50:34. > :50:40.quality of our democracy. If you don't have a strong and clean
:50:40. > :50:44.politics, you don't have a healthy economy. It affects millions of
:50:44. > :50:49.people because the way in which a British economy goes belly up every
:50:49. > :50:54.few years is always because vested interests, whether it was the trade
:50:54. > :51:00.unions become too powerful. The way to stop that is to make sure that
:51:00. > :51:06.politics is reformed. The time for action is now. The time for action
:51:07. > :51:09.is nigh, can you say that the tone of camaraderie and closeness
:51:09. > :51:12.between political advisers, ministers and people working for
:51:12. > :51:20.big media companies, that will not happen again and should not have
:51:20. > :51:25.happened in the past? And you can't stop people knowing each other. The
:51:25. > :51:29.fact that this was able to develop in a way which was on transparent,
:51:29. > :51:34.not subject to scrutiny, where the you didn't have the basic checks
:51:34. > :51:39.and balances on people in power and people wielding influence, who
:51:39. > :51:42.suffers. It is really important. It is the millions of people are now
:51:42. > :51:46.gearing up the mess left by the banks. It is the many people who
:51:46. > :51:50.became victims of illegal phone hacking. That is why there is an
:51:50. > :51:54.intimate link between cleaning up politics and restoring sense and
:51:54. > :51:58.growth to our economy. In terms of Liberal Democrat values, the
:51:58. > :52:02.question of gay marriage has been very prominent. We are now hearing
:52:02. > :52:05.suggestions that it is going to be a completely free vote, that
:52:05. > :52:08.Conservative Members of the House of Commons can vote any way they
:52:08. > :52:15.like and there won't be any great direction. I thought it was part of
:52:15. > :52:19.the coalition agreement? If this was an issue that the Government
:52:19. > :52:29.was proposing something which would beat him positioned on religion or
:52:29. > :52:32.
:52:32. > :52:35.We believe that if you are two individuals who want to show a
:52:35. > :52:41.commitment to each other, irrespective of gender, you should
:52:41. > :52:44.be able to get married. My view is that in the same way that the civil
:52:44. > :52:49.partnerships legislation was a whip to vote, I don't think this is
:52:49. > :52:57.something we should be subject to a great free fall, because we are not
:52:57. > :53:01.asking people to make -- should not be a great freefall. As far as my
:53:01. > :53:05.party is concerned, which constitutes part of government, I
:53:05. > :53:13.would like to see us on a what we have said as a party for that they
:53:13. > :53:18.should honour the agreement, too, It is something we had developed.
:53:18. > :53:23.We are consulting on it now. That is something I believe him
:53:23. > :53:27.personally and my party believes in. -- I believe been personally. We
:53:27. > :53:33.are not asking someone with religious convictions to sacrifice
:53:33. > :53:39.anything. You would urge Mr Cameron to have a whip to vote on this.
:53:39. > :53:45.is leader on his party, I am the leader of mind. Now over to Naga
:53:45. > :53:48.for the news headlines. There's growing international
:53:48. > :53:51.condemnation of an attack by Syrian government forces which left more
:53:52. > :53:54.than 90 people dead, a third of them children, in the town of Houla.
:53:54. > :53:57.Syrian state television blamed the killings on armed terrorist gangs,
:53:57. > :54:03.but United Nations monitors say the victims died from tank and
:54:03. > :54:05.artillery fire. The American Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton,
:54:05. > :54:10.pledged that Washington would work with other countries to end what
:54:10. > :54:12.she called President Assad's "rule by murder and fear".
:54:12. > :54:16.The Deputy Prime Minister, Nick Clegg, said the government could
:54:16. > :54:20.take action to prevent Syrian officials from coming to London for
:54:20. > :54:24.the Olympic Games. He said if there was evidence that individuals had
:54:24. > :54:27.abused human rights, they would not be allowed to enter the UK. Mr
:54:27. > :54:31.Clegg also talked about the latest developments at the Leveson inquiry,
:54:31. > :54:37.saying it was unhealthy for politicians to be in the pockets of
:54:37. > :54:40.media moguls. That is all from if enough. Back to you, Andrew.
:54:41. > :54:46.Nick Clegg's still with me and I've been joined again by Sir Harold
:54:46. > :54:52.Evans and Amanda Platell. Welcome, all. I thought we might talk about
:54:52. > :54:58.the demonstration you had outside your house, the UK uncut and so on.
:54:58. > :55:01.There was quite a lot of stuff on Twitter saying it his personal
:55:01. > :55:06.politics, but it shouldn't be up against people's houses, that is
:55:06. > :55:10.going too far. I am surprised the police did not move them on, think
:55:10. > :55:15.it is outrageous. I know people like me attack you all the time.
:55:15. > :55:21.You said it. It is hard enough being a modern politician, you have
:55:21. > :55:26.to have some privacy and go with your family... I totally agree, I
:55:26. > :55:31.would have said, move on. Do you think they should have moved on?
:55:31. > :55:35.You must have been upset. It is difficult for me to comment. My
:55:35. > :55:39.family and I are in an odd position in the sense we didn't take an
:55:39. > :55:43.offer to move into a flat after the government was formed, because we
:55:43. > :55:48.still want our children to lead as normal a life as possible, which
:55:48. > :55:54.thankfully they do. At the same time, I accept that if a government
:55:54. > :55:58.is doing difficult things, people want to make their views known.
:55:58. > :56:02.is a security point, too. In the United States it couldn't happen
:56:02. > :56:08.because we are so terrified of everybody. All these people outside.
:56:08. > :56:13.I think you should deserve better protection than that. We agree a
:56:13. > :56:19.lot! De Ville worried for your family question are thankfully, we
:56:19. > :56:22.were not there. -- do you feel worried for your family? Neighbours
:56:23. > :56:29.have soul children and some of those were quite scared so that is
:56:29. > :56:36.not very nice. But I have to say that the protesters were peaceful.
:56:36. > :56:42.We are in New territory. I always try to avoid this, as a husband and
:56:42. > :56:46.father, retreating behind the battlements. I understand. If I
:56:46. > :56:50.have got a mob outside their houses, how would they react? They wouldn't
:56:50. > :56:53.be happy. We have run out of time, but thank you.
:56:53. > :56:56.Next week we've a special programme - celebrations for the Queen's
:56:56. > :56:58.Diamond Jubilee will be in full swing, and I'll be discussing her
:56:58. > :57:01.reign with David Cameron, The Bishop of London and Rory Bremner,
:57:01. > :57:04.among others. Earlier I talked to Tom Jones about
:57:04. > :57:14.his new album - something of a departure from his previous records.
:57:14. > :57:16.
:57:16. > :57:20.Here he is with a version of # Well my friends are gone and my
:57:20. > :57:24.hair is grey. # I ache in the places where I used
:57:24. > :57:31.to play. # And I'm crazy for love but I'm
:57:31. > :57:41.not coming on. # I'm just paying my rent every day
:57:41. > :57:48.
:57:48. > :57:51.in the tower of song. # I was born like this, I had no
:57:51. > :57:53.choice. # I was born with the gift of a
:57:53. > :58:01.golden voice. # And 27 angels from the great
:58:01. > :58:11.beyond. # They tied me to this stage right
:58:11. > :58:12.
:58:12. > :58:15.here in the tower of song. # I see you standing on the other
:58:15. > :58:19.side. # I don't know how the river got so
:58:19. > :58:24.wide. # I loved you, baby, way back when.
:58:24. > :58:28.# And all the bridges are burning that we might have crossed.
:58:28. > :58:35.# But I feel so close to everything that we lost.
:58:35. > :58:40.# We'll never, we'll never have to lose it again.
:58:40. > :58:45.# Now I bid you farewell, I don't know when I'll be back.