:00:09. > :00:10.Good morning and welcome from Good morning and welcome from
:00:10. > :00:13.Good morning and welcome from Brighton, where the Liberal
:00:13. > :00:19.Brighton, where the Liberal Brighton, where the Liberal
:00:19. > :00:23.Democrats are waking up, sunny are over and the skies are angry.
:00:23. > :00:26.Pathetic fallacy: that's the technical term for saying that, for
:00:26. > :00:31.instance, the stormclouds are gathering over Nick Clegg, as if the
:00:31. > :00:41.weather had a political view of its own. However, I am afraid that this
:00:41. > :01:08.
:01:08. > :01:11.morning such obvious images are irresistible.
:01:11. > :01:15.There's no easy way to say this, the There's no easy way to say this, the
:01:15. > :01:20.Lib Dems are languishing at or 10% in the polls. One poll puts them
:01:20. > :01:24.this morning behind UKIP. Nick Clegg has a real fight on his hands to
:01:24. > :01:28.rebuild trust in the brand and to convince members gathered here
:01:28. > :01:32.he is the right man to take them into the next election. Mr Clegg is
:01:32. > :01:35.with us, I am going to be asking him about that extraordinary apology for
:01:35. > :01:39.breaking promises tuition fees and at a conference
:01:39. > :01:42.dominated by the call for fairer taxes, is he really planning to
:01:42. > :01:45.squeeze the rich and, if so, will be talking, of course, about
:01:45. > :01:50.the coalition and the state of the economy as well. There's lots
:01:50. > :01:55.coverage of the Lib Dems in the Sunday papers. Amanda Platell of
:01:55. > :01:58.Daily Mail and the Mirror's Kevin Maguire have been filleting out the
:01:58. > :02:01.best stories and we will from them in just a few minutes.
:02:01. > :02:07.Also this morning, the legendary film director Oliver Stone,
:02:07. > :02:13.well-known for his opposition to wars in Vietnam and Iraq, his latest
:02:13. > :02:18.film slams the West's war on drugs but he defends violence in the
:02:18. > :02:22.movies. More from him later. And also Lianne La Havas is a young
:02:22. > :02:25.singer-songwriter already making her mark, nominated for
:02:25. > :02:30.Mercury award, she is going to be performing live for us at the end of
:02:30. > :02:33.the show. All of that coming up first the news with Jenny Hill.
:02:33. > :02:36.Thanks, Andrew, good morning. Thanks, Andrew, good morning.
:02:36. > :02:40.Individuals with assets of more than �1 million face a new crackdown on
:02:40. > :02:44.tax avoidance. The changes mean 200,000 more people will
:02:44. > :02:49.investigated by a special team of tax inspectors. The
:02:49. > :02:52.been made by the Liberal Democrat Chief Secretary to the Treasury,
:02:52. > :02:54.Danny Alexander. It comes as delegates at the party
:02:54. > :02:59.are discussing ways of boosting their support.
:02:59. > :03:04.Here in Brighton, the message is all about tax and whether it really is
:03:04. > :03:09.fair, from a party keen on making sure that the rich pay enough. This
:03:09. > :03:13.time last year Danny Alexander highlighted
:03:13. > :03:17.unit of tax inspectors who would make sure the wealthiest weren't
:03:17. > :03:22.ducking their dues. In interview he reveals that the number
:03:22. > :03:25.of inspectors there will go up from 200 to 300, that the
:03:25. > :03:29.been looking at those worth more than 2 and a half million pounds,
:03:29. > :03:33.will now examine people worth than just �1 million, potentially
:03:33. > :03:36.letting it look into the affairs of many more taxpayers. Already
:03:36. > :03:42.inspectors have been talking to several Premier League footballers,
:03:42. > :03:45.and forcing them to pay extra. It is just the sort of thing that will go
:03:45. > :03:50.down well with the crowd and that's probably no
:03:50. > :03:53.coincidence. After a very well publicised apology for making
:03:53. > :03:56.tuition fees pledge they couldn't keep and the failure to
:03:56. > :04:03.of the House of Lords, some here need cheering
:04:03. > :04:06.So Nick Clegg will be seeking not just to rouse but to reassure
:04:06. > :04:13.activists nervous about some of the compromises about being in coalition
:04:13. > :04:16.The Conservative Chief Whip Andrew The Conservative Chief Whip Andrew
:04:16. > :04:20.Mitchell is coming under more pressure this morning after one of
:04:20. > :04:23.his friends told a newspaper Mr Mitchell had sworn during a
:04:23. > :04:26.confrontation with police officers. The friend said the MP had sworn in
:04:26. > :04:29.frustration at not being able to cycle through the Downing
:04:29. > :04:33.gates but they insisted Mr Mitchell's words were not
:04:33. > :04:36.at the officers. One man has died and another has
:04:36. > :04:40.been seriously injured in a skydiving accident near
:04:40. > :04:46.Peterborough. It happened yesterday afternoon, at just before 4.00. The
:04:46. > :04:51.men collided at approximately 50 feet above the ground, causing their
:04:51. > :04:55.parachutes to collapse. One man in his early 50s died at the scene. The
:04:55. > :04:57.other, in his late 20s, is hospital with severe leg and spinal
:04:57. > :05:02.injuries. Church services will be held
:05:02. > :05:05.Greater Manchester today to the two female police officers
:05:05. > :05:09.murdered in a gun and grenade attack. The area's
:05:09. > :05:13.Sir Peter Fahy, said a prayer vigil will also
:05:13. > :05:18.on from the deaths of PC Nicola Hughes and PC Fiona Bone. He has
:05:19. > :05:22.been telling the BBC's Songs of Praise how his faith is helping him
:05:23. > :05:27.come to terms with their deaths. It's rare for public figures
:05:27. > :05:32.Peter Fahy's standing to speak so candidly about their need to pray or
:05:32. > :05:36.the sense of vulnerability that them prayer helps address, but Sir
:05:36. > :05:42.Peter said the murders of PC Nicola Hughes and PC Fiona Bone last
:05:42. > :05:45.Tuesday had devastated what he called the family of Greater
:05:45. > :05:51.Manchester Police. Sir Peter said that praying every day was
:05:51. > :05:53.important to him and had helped him cope with the tragedy. For me
:05:53. > :05:58.personally, and I think for a lot of people of faith, prayer
:05:58. > :06:04.important. You do often feel so helpless, so praying for the dead
:06:04. > :06:06.officers, praying for their families becomes your own reaction, your own
:06:06. > :06:11.expression of hope really. expression of hope really for
:06:11. > :06:16.at a time of great need. Sir Peter said policing was a vocation, a
:06:16. > :06:20.calling that he felt in the context of his faith. It's not just a job
:06:20. > :06:21.and I think that's what almost you go back to in difficult times,
:06:21. > :06:23.go back to in difficult times, in difficult
:06:23. > :06:23.go back to in difficult times, in difficult circumstances.
:06:23. > :06:26.go back to in difficult times, in difficult circumstances. How
:06:26. > :06:30.difficult circumstances. How unfair something may feel, how inadequate
:06:30. > :06:33.you may feel, you do actually rely on at the end of the day you are
:06:33. > :06:37.doing your best and this is vocation. He said
:06:37. > :06:41.Manchester Police believe in the idea of an unarmed Police
:06:41. > :06:47.Service that used minimum force and had a very close connection with the
:06:47. > :06:56.community community it served.
:06:56. > :07:01.Downton Abbey is leading the British charge at the prestigious Emmy TV
:07:01. > :07:05.awards tonight, facing stiff competition from Mad Men which could
:07:05. > :07:08.make Emmy history if it wins the category for a fifth
:07:08. > :07:12.year. I will be back with the headlines
:07:12. > :07:17.just before 10.00. For now though back to Andrew in Brighton.
:07:17. > :07:19.Many thanks, Jenny. Now, as usual to the front pages today. I think in
:07:19. > :07:23.political terms at least the strongest newspapers this morning
:07:23. > :07:26.are the Sunday Telegraph and the Mail on Sunday. There is the Sunday
:07:26. > :07:30.Telegraph, they have been doing this investigation into foreign aid, what
:07:30. > :07:37.they called gravy train farce, they've got more on the Andrew
:07:37. > :07:43.Mitchell story there: Chief Whip, yes, I swore, but I did not say
:07:43. > :07:52."pleb". We will be talking more about that in a minute. The Mail on
:07:52. > :07:57.Sunday: taxman to target all million home owners. That new
:07:57. > :08:03.blitzkrieg bunch of tax inspectors. The Observer has a key Clegg
:08:03. > :08:06.saying the cuts have already been too deep and a shock report here, if
:08:06. > :08:11.you are middle-income or you are going to get poorer,
:08:11. > :08:13.certainly not going to get richer, until 2020. A pretty serious
:08:13. > :08:22.prospect for the coalition government, and indeed for the
:08:22. > :08:26.people concerned. The Sun has got Tulisa: my sex attack horror. Sunday
:08:26. > :08:30.Express: road tax to be scrapped. Liberal Democrat Transport Minister
:08:30. > :08:35.saying eventually it's inevitable that all drivers are going to pay by
:08:35. > :08:41.the mile. That's the new way they are going to be taxed. What
:08:41. > :08:47.shall we have here? The Sunday Mirror has an interesting: saved by
:08:47. > :08:49.the plebs, a reference to the police there saying Andrew Mitchell was
:08:49. > :08:54.saved when somebody in his constituency with a dagger
:08:54. > :09:00.him. So lots to talk about. Finally, my favourite picture of the day,
:09:00. > :09:04.The Independent on Sunday, this is new cloud formation which the Cloud
:09:04. > :09:11.Appreciation Society are trying to name. The first time this has
:09:11. > :09:15.happened since 1951 and it's apparently called the "agitated
:09:15. > :09:19.wave". As promised, Kevin Maguire and Amanda Platell, an agitated wave
:09:19. > :09:22.to both of you. Where are to start? The papers are pretty
:09:22. > :09:28.miserable for Nick Clegg, a the weather, not a lot of good
:09:28. > :09:32.for him, and the Mail on Sunday a poll which shows Liberal Democrats
:09:32. > :09:34.in fourth place behind UKIP. There was a poll similar to that
:09:35. > :09:38.yesterday, another one in The Observer and of course you show me a
:09:38. > :09:43.political leader who says he doesn't read the polls, I will show you a
:09:43. > :09:48.liar. That is not good at the start of an election. There's more talk
:09:48. > :09:53.here about leadership plots. Ed Davey now said to be challenging the
:09:53. > :09:57.Energy Secretary in the Cabinet. He is apparently trying to lose weight
:09:57. > :10:02.and avoid club sandwiches to get ready for a bid. That may be
:10:03. > :10:08.fanciful but the Liberal are talking aboutly after Clegg, it
:10:08. > :10:13.has begun. Life after Clegg. poll says that even with party
:10:13. > :10:18.members he has a rating of minus 2. This is an internal Lib Dem
:10:18. > :10:24.Lib Dems? Exactly, and these are the people that he is here today to
:10:24. > :10:30.try to convince, not just the wider public. But Vince Cable
:10:30. > :10:36.interestingly has 75% good old Vince. He was also involved
:10:36. > :10:44.tuition fees but he seems to have moved round that. Nothing sticks
:10:44. > :10:46.him. In The Observer Nick Clegg making his now famous apology,
:10:46. > :10:52.the swamp with a crocodile next to him with crocodile tears.
:10:53. > :10:56.problem is, do people believe he is genuine? He has
:10:56. > :11:01.if people are questioning you all the time it is difficult to get a
:11:01. > :11:05.hearing. We will be talking later with him about that, I am sure.
:11:05. > :11:09.There is lots on what is being called the mansion tax through the
:11:09. > :11:13.back door. All very familiar, same old, same old that we've heard from
:11:14. > :11:17.them. The most interesting thing it targets anyone with assets over
:11:17. > :11:20.million pounds and they are going to use sophisticated IT techniques
:11:20. > :11:26.go through your computers or files, everything, and I don't like
:11:26. > :11:30.sound of that. But when Nick ran the old wealth tax up the
:11:30. > :11:38.flagpole a few months ago he got shot down by the Conservatives, a
:11:38. > :11:43.larger part of the coalition, and he will keep coming back that tax on
:11:43. > :11:49.millionaires is go down. It's kind of thing that might happen
:11:49. > :11:56.under a Lib-Lab coalition but hard to see in the current coalition.
:11:56. > :12:03.Lynne Featherstone, the most Lib Dem in the Cabinet, she says: we
:12:03. > :12:06.are the whipping boys even though we are the good guys. They are just
:12:06. > :12:12.such whingers. Just get on with it! The other big story this morning
:12:12. > :12:16.about Andrew Mitchell, the Chief Whip who was rude to the police.
:12:16. > :12:21.The Sunday Telegraph have a friend of his saying he didn't say "pleb"
:12:21. > :12:31.but he did swear. With friends like that, you've got extra enemies
:12:31. > :12:33.
:12:33. > :12:38.the problem for him is the pleb word, political Kryptonite for them.
:12:38. > :12:43.If you have somebody who attends the Cabinet, the Chief Whip, calling
:12:43. > :12:48.other people plebs, well, you know And the problem is we have two
:12:48. > :12:52.police now and one of them said that he used that word so how
:12:52. > :12:55.do you - That is the devastating word. It's terrible. I don't even
:12:55. > :13:00.know anyone who calls people plebs, it's so outdated, so arrogant,
:13:00. > :13:05.it plays to the core of what all the focus group research, the Tories are
:13:05. > :13:10.doing, says why they are unpopular. Do you think he will survive?
:13:10. > :13:14.has to for now, I think. But "pleb" is laced with snobbery. If he says
:13:14. > :13:21.he didn't say it, as the Telegraph say, he is going to
:13:21. > :13:27.to go before the TV cameras and say what he said, Operation Grovel.
:13:27. > :13:37.Sorry seems to be the easiest word in politics at the moment. I love
:13:37. > :13:40.the story though, the tag, they are calling it Gate-gate. I don't think
:13:40. > :13:48.they can get rid of him now is supposed to be in charge
:13:48. > :13:52.discipline and is ill-disciplined himself. Overseas, I think you have
:13:52. > :13:59.chosen a Mitt Romney story, another politician perhaps not
:13:59. > :14:04.adroit in what he says. Talk about imploding. ROM any banks on TV
:14:04. > :14:09.debate to help his faltering campaign. 47% of Americans will see
:14:09. > :14:14.themselves as victims, dependent the state, absolute nonsense.
:14:15. > :14:20.could be earning $50,000, have three kids and you won't pay federal
:14:20. > :14:24.income tax, but will pay state taxes and so on. I suspect he has finished
:14:24. > :14:29.his campaign. It's hard to see him doing well in those TV debates
:14:29. > :14:34.against Barack Obama. But also was so offensive to Republicans
:14:34. > :14:37.because most there has to be a safety net in
:14:37. > :14:43.society. Look at Iain Duncan Smith's role in all of this and it's
:14:43. > :14:47.offensive not just to Republicans but the Democrats as well, such an
:14:47. > :14:52.ill-judged thing to say. A very interesting story from Libya running
:14:52. > :14:57.over the last couple of days. This is amazing, we have been used to -
:14:57. > :15:01.There we go, difficult to see. out of my way! We have been used to
:15:01. > :15:07.seeing jihadists all over the world and these terrible killings and
:15:07. > :15:13.protests and rioting, and yet in Libya a group of people who had
:15:13. > :15:21.banners saying "We are Islam, we are not extremists", and with balloons
:15:21. > :15:25.and with words they absolutely took over and put the riot out. This is
:15:25. > :15:31.the first piece of genuinely good news out of Libya for a long time.
:15:31. > :15:34.A very good piece in the Sunday Telegraph. The citizens of Libya
:15:34. > :15:43.staged a dramatic display of law people power. Yes, it's The
:15:43. > :15:47.Observer. Sorry. People with guns capture the news attention but this
:15:47. > :15:52.is an antidote to the millions of people in the Muslim world wanting -
:15:52. > :15:56.I just wanted to pick up on foreign aid story, something
:15:56. > :15:59.Sunday Telegraph are running hard for the second week now, clearly a
:15:59. > :16:02.big campaign. It is, and incredibly popular, because you know from most
:16:02. > :16:06.of the research that has been in the polls that people think
:16:06. > :16:09.in these times, when everything being cut, that the foreign
:16:09. > :16:17.budget should be cut as well, course it's one of the things
:16:17. > :16:22.Nick Clegg is absolutely determined not to allow to happen. And David
:16:23. > :16:27.Cameron. And David because they think it detoxifies Cameron and
:16:28. > :16:32.makes Nick Clegg popular. But these guys are bragging - How much money
:16:32. > :16:37.they've got. They are awash with money, and they are called the
:16:37. > :16:39.poverty barons and half the money goes to the richest countries. And
:16:39. > :16:49.the Secretary when this was happening
:16:49. > :16:50.
:16:50. > :16:59.was says he is a good guy and defends
:16:59. > :17:04.A story about Stephen Pound, I A story about Stephen Pound, I
:17:04. > :17:07.think? Yes, a story that he fell asleep in the Commons, but the
:17:07. > :17:12.Sunday Times says Sunday Times says actually there's
:17:12. > :17:16.great tradition of and the 8th Duke of Devonshire
:17:16. > :17:20.yawned through his own maiden speech. Falling asleep during your
:17:20. > :17:27.own speech, we haven't seen that for a bit. Amanda, you have a funny
:17:27. > :17:34.story here about JK Rowling? she has a new book out, her first
:17:34. > :17:39.novel for adults. She wrote a I think, for kids. OK, OK, so this
:17:39. > :17:43.is her first sort of grown-up book and in here she talks about how
:17:43. > :17:48.after she became really famous she suffered from terrible depression,
:17:48. > :17:50.and you will remember she was suicidal when she was a single mum
:17:50. > :17:54.penniless, when writing the the first place, but quite a
:17:55. > :17:59.people would think: how depressing is it to have 540 million in the
:17:59. > :18:03.bank, be happily married and have a couple of healthy kids. I know
:18:03. > :18:09.depression can hit everyone but, know - Presumably
:18:09. > :18:13.has told it, because it's not just people who are poor, but she is
:18:13. > :18:16.Great British success story, that single parent, the very top as
:18:16. > :18:23.writer. Jack Straw is in the papers, he has written
:18:23. > :18:26.of the very few political memoirs which are genuinely moving and
:18:26. > :18:29.revelatory, again talking about depression and how he fought that
:18:29. > :18:37.during his time in office. The interesting thing is at least
:18:37. > :18:42.has the courage to come out, it's still stigmatised, and it's still
:18:42. > :18:50.happening, whereas for Jack Straw it's historic because I think it's
:18:50. > :18:56.difficult for a politician to admit that they have that problem.
:18:56. > :18:59.number have now. The temperatures have been dropping for the last few
:18:59. > :19:03.days - there it is - and the stuff is back, but for how long and
:19:03. > :19:08.where exactly? The person with I suspect some not entirely good news
:19:08. > :19:11.is Philip Avery in studio.
:19:11. > :19:15.Thanks very much indeed, not Thanks very much indeed, not
:19:15. > :19:19.entirely bad news. Glad to see you survived your brief
:19:19. > :19:22.the elements at the top of the show. It will spread ever further
:19:22. > :19:26.this veil of cloud. Not all doom and gloom, much of Scotland and Northern
:19:26. > :19:29.Ireland and the north of England, little fog here and there, a
:19:29. > :19:33.of frost too, but at least you have some sunshine to talk about and you
:19:33. > :19:37.will hold onto it for a good part of the day. Further south a completely
:19:37. > :19:42.different kettle of fish. Good news about the story for Scotland, as
:19:42. > :19:46.the case yesterday. So too Northern Ireland, wee bits of cloud around at
:19:46. > :19:49.times but staying dry even across the north of England but the rain
:19:49. > :19:53.moves away from the south coast, notice how we darken colours
:19:53. > :19:57.the southeast, freshening wind as well. Heavy rain late on here. As we
:19:57. > :20:03.come back to the centre of that low pressure, the southwest will get
:20:03. > :20:08.real pounding late on. That's the Met Office will have an amber
:20:08. > :20:17.warning, 60 mmm of rain. In the southeast it could really chuck it
:20:17. > :20:20.down for a time. Come Monday, ever northwards across the British Isles,
:20:20. > :20:25.an unfortunate combination to say the least. Very strong winds, a lot
:20:25. > :20:29.of rain, lived colours, there could be localised flooding. Under
:20:29. > :20:35.cloud and rain the temperatures be down in single figures. Cheerier
:20:35. > :20:42.in the south, a wee bit of sunshine. Rain late in the day across the far
:20:42. > :20:47.north of Scotland. I am afraid it's one of those weeks.
:20:47. > :20:48.Yikes. Hear the words controversial Yikes. Hear the words controversial
:20:48. > :20:56.and director together and likely they will be followed
:20:56. > :21:03.Oliver Stone. He has directed of the world's edgiest films
:21:03. > :21:10.including JFK, Born on the Fourth of July, Platoon, and he has a new film
:21:10. > :21:14.out, Savages, also a book examining 20th century history. I met him and
:21:14. > :21:18.asked whether Savages aimed to show both the good and dark sides of the
:21:18. > :21:27.American dream. Nothing the movies than heaven and hell
:21:27. > :21:33.mix it up. It starts in the beach, surf, beautiful bodies, young
:21:33. > :21:39.people, Southern California, growing grass, legally, selling in
:21:39. > :21:43.distribution, pharmacies in State. You've got this version of
:21:43. > :21:47.the Californian Eden and into it erupts the extraordinary violence of
:21:47. > :21:53.American drug cartels, people dressed in skulls and again heaven
:21:53. > :21:57.and hell images are strong here. You can't make a Movio like
:21:57. > :22:01.without - a movie like this without recognising the violence. We
:22:01. > :22:11.push it as far as we could have. Stay flat until you get that clear
:22:11. > :22:14.
:22:14. > :22:22.signal from me, you understand? Yeah. Now breathe. 3, 2, 1.
:22:22. > :22:26.We had Harvey Winestein last week We had Harvey Winestein last week
:22:26. > :22:31.and he is worried about the violence, he was a great
:22:31. > :22:36.collaborator with Tarantino of course, but I was thinking, just
:22:36. > :22:41.couple of days before watching this ten severed heads were hanging from
:22:41. > :22:47.a motorway bridge in Mexico so presumably you are arguing this is
:22:47. > :22:53.realistic? I've seen so many grisly pictures, it's worse than a movie.
:22:53. > :22:57.You don't want to show it. You don't want to show somebody thrown into
:22:58. > :23:01.bath of acid and his skin dissolving. It's disgusting.
:23:02. > :23:06.Frankly, it's part of the world. No, I think we have to tone
:23:06. > :23:11.it down and we want to make it acceptable, but if you turn your
:23:11. > :23:15.eyes away if it's too much - sure. But frankly you have to acknowledge
:23:15. > :23:19.it. One of the key characters in the film says early on: drugs are a
:23:19. > :23:22.rational response to an insane world, or words to that effect. Yes.
:23:22. > :23:27.world, or words to that effect. Yes. I wondered if (a) that's your view
:23:27. > :23:33.and (b) what the message of the is, when it comes to the prohibition
:23:33. > :23:40.of drugs. The effect of that. speak inside the character. She says
:23:40. > :23:43.that, and so does Sean, and drugs to them, marijuana certainly, is
:23:43. > :23:51.rational response to insanity because he has seen the Iraq War,
:23:51. > :23:59.has seen the Afghan War, he has had his soul robbed. She says he has
:23:59. > :24:04.inability to have good sex, he has wargasms, she says, not orgasms.
:24:04. > :24:10.is dead in many ways. Having been to Vietnam, and I know people have
:24:10. > :24:15.hard time understanding this - You are an ex-vet we should remind
:24:15. > :24:22.people. I was in combat and over there
:24:22. > :24:26.there marijuana was incredibly strong and we did it to keep the
:24:26. > :24:31.stress away. It kept us human. I described it nicely I thought
:24:31. > :24:35.Platoon where you see men dancing together, enjoying their
:24:35. > :24:40.in war when it's a brutal We are in the middle of an American
:24:40. > :24:44.election, of course, at the moment, and I think you had hoped for Obama
:24:44. > :24:48.in 2008 - had hopes - with all drone attacks that go on in Pakistan
:24:48. > :24:52.and in other countries, with the failure to close Guantanamo Bay,
:24:52. > :24:59.etc, how do you feel about him now? I am very disappointed in some
:24:59. > :25:06.things he has done. I do think only rational response to Mitt
:25:06. > :25:10.Romney would be to re-elect him, I think there is a systematic
:25:10. > :25:14.problem, we cannot get off treadmill we are on, whether it's
:25:14. > :25:18.war on drugs, war on terror, war in Afghanistan, there is such a
:25:18. > :25:24.consensus of correctness about it that it's very difficult to go back,
:25:24. > :25:30.that's the problem. So you are asking what happens to America; I
:25:30. > :25:33.wonder, and I am concerned that we don't have the means to change.
:25:33. > :25:37.Unless - you know, I'm working this ten-hour untold history of
:25:37. > :25:41.United States which is coming out in America now in November, and it is
:25:41. > :25:44.an educational tool, it's very factual, very supported, and we
:25:44. > :25:47.are showing another American history to the young
:25:47. > :25:51.in the hopes that maybe that generation could possibly, if
:25:51. > :25:56.still around, do something about this country. And this comes with a
:25:56. > :25:59.book, and this is your take on I suppose the American history that
:25:59. > :26:02.you yourself have lived well? Well, what we are doing
:26:02. > :26:06.taking some events that forgotten and making them think
:26:06. > :26:09.about them in another way and to build a pattern where you see
:26:09. > :26:13.where the national security state is born. The national security state
:26:13. > :26:17.didn't just come into existence with George Bush Junior, the second one,
:26:17. > :26:20.it came into existence after War II. America changed radically
:26:20. > :26:27.with the Cold War, and was the Cold War necessary? These are key
:26:27. > :26:30.questions we raise. You reach you worked with Hugo Chavez
:26:30. > :26:33.Venezuela, there was some talk you might go and film with Ahmadinejad
:26:33. > :26:38.in Iran. This is a dangerous sort of thing for somebody in
:26:38. > :26:43.to be doing, presumably, because it makes it very easy to say my enemy's
:26:43. > :26:47.enemy is my friend, or you know what I mean? No, I'm not - I am doing it
:26:47. > :26:53.out of curiosity. Unless you can have a dialogue with your supposed
:26:53. > :26:58.enemy then you don't even know is your enemy, correct? Mmm.
:26:58. > :27:02.unfortunately Americans have practised this form of censorship of
:27:02. > :27:08.the other side. In America throughout my history as a man I've
:27:08. > :27:15.seen the fear of the other is consistent motif of American
:27:15. > :27:20.Fear of the other, whether it was drugs, whether it was Castro, or the
:27:20. > :27:25.so-called socialist leaders of South America who were all democratically
:27:25. > :27:29.elected by people who had had enough of the economics of the IMF and
:27:29. > :27:32.World Bank. I'm just putting a camera in their face and saying
:27:32. > :27:35.speak for yourself. That's what I did with Castro, and it didn't even
:27:35. > :27:40.make it to American because it was supposedly so biased.
:27:40. > :27:45.I am just back from the I was talking to a Republican
:27:45. > :27:49.commentator and was asking about the anger and vitriol there seems to be
:27:49. > :27:53.in the American political discourse these days and she said: the thing
:27:53. > :27:56.is we actually now live apart. Republicans and Democrats live in
:27:56. > :28:00.different areas, there's no common conversation, we listen to
:28:00. > :28:03.radio stations, watch different programme, sometimes we support
:28:03. > :28:07.different kinds of sports, and I wonder whether a film like Savages,
:28:07. > :28:09.coming back to the film, is one of the last ways of
:28:09. > :28:14.conversation happening? In other words, you can raise issues and you
:28:14. > :28:17.will get people of all stripes and political allegiances coming to
:28:17. > :28:21.so you can talk about drugs? There's no question that
:28:21. > :28:26.movies can be a bridge between all cultures. A good movie plays the
:28:26. > :28:30.world and that's one of the great attractions for me of making these.
:28:30. > :28:33.They are very - you know, my films, if anything, have been to some
:28:33. > :28:36.degree, have polarised people and people have taken attitudes but
:28:36. > :28:40.think in the end it's important show the effects of war and what
:28:40. > :28:44.really does, and that's on the Fourth of July you show a
:28:44. > :28:48.in a wheelchair, the same thing true about Savages. You have to
:28:48. > :28:51.a little bit of the penalties that you pay for calling this a war on
:28:51. > :28:58.drugs. Oliver Stone, much for talking to us. Thank you,
:28:58. > :29:02.The legendary film director Oliver The legendary film director Oliver
:29:02. > :29:06.Stone, and his new film Savages shall we say, been savaged by
:29:06. > :29:10.of the reviewers. The same applies to another film released on YouTube
:29:10. > :29:15.by my next guest. Nick Clegg's apology for breaking his party's
:29:15. > :29:19.pledge on tuition fees was called abject and desperate by his
:29:19. > :29:22.detractors and quickly set to music in a popular satire which he has
:29:22. > :29:27.taken in good part. His widely trailed party
:29:27. > :29:33.will be shown in full tomorrow night but before I talk about why he
:29:33. > :29:40.it with him and the many challenges facing him as Lib Dem leader, let's
:29:40. > :29:44.take another look at an unusual political moment. There's no
:29:44. > :29:48.way to say this, we made a pledge, didn't stick to it, and for that I'm
:29:48. > :29:51.sorry. When you have made a you should apologise, but more
:29:51. > :29:55.importantly, most important of all, you've got to learn from your
:29:55. > :30:03.mistakes and that's what we will I will never again make a pledge,
:30:03. > :30:06.unless as a party we are absolutely clear about how we can keep it.
:30:06. > :30:10.As I said, most unusual to make it As I said, most unusual to make it
:30:10. > :30:13.and then release it in the way that you did. Was there a sort of
:30:13. > :30:18.bulb moment when you thought: to do this? No, actually for quite
:30:18. > :30:23.some time I have been wanting to say that because it was no secret. It's
:30:23. > :30:28.as I said, I think what we did was a mistake, I think it was wrong and I
:30:28. > :30:32.have been meaning for some time kind of put my hands up and say we
:30:32. > :30:36.made a mistake, we've also done lots of good things which I felt
:30:36. > :30:41.being obscured by that, and so I just wanted to kind of make the
:30:41. > :30:45.apology in a simple, direct way, which as you say of course gets
:30:45. > :30:49.mocked and sneered and in mocked and sneered and in frankly in
:30:49. > :30:54.many respects amusing ways, musical and others, I think the Westminster
:30:54. > :30:57.village is always quite cynical about these things. Of course some
:30:57. > :31:01.people will say it's not going make any difference; I hope
:31:01. > :31:06.people recognise that in politics as in life it's sometimes just the
:31:06. > :31:10.right thing to do to say I made mistake, admit it and we won't do
:31:10. > :31:14.again. The people who are still angry will say: the problem was,
:31:14. > :31:18.this was an entirely deliberate and rather cynical attempt to get the
:31:18. > :31:26.votes of students in places like your constituency, Cambridge and
:31:26. > :31:30.others. You can say sorry, but they gave you their votes on a false
:31:30. > :31:35.prospect it is, and you can't give them their votes back again.
:31:35. > :31:38.be clear, we campaigned in the last general election on a manifesto
:31:38. > :31:43.which was based on what we would do if we were running the government
:31:43. > :31:45.and I was Prime Minister, OK? What I am apologising for is something
:31:45. > :31:49.slightly different but quite importantly different
:31:49. > :31:53.we signed a pledge which said that we would vote against tuition fees
:31:53. > :31:57.under any circumstances, - We can see it in a second. If I
:31:57. > :31:59.can just stress the point, I lead party which has 8% of MPs in
:31:59. > :32:02.House of Commons. That's political fact. I would like to
:32:02. > :32:07.Prime Minister, I would like us to have won the general election. We
:32:07. > :32:10.didn't, we came third. We in fact lost a number of MPs. But you
:32:10. > :32:15.it was unlikely that you were going to become Prime Minister, if I
:32:15. > :32:19.say so, and furthermore, when held that pledge up, you were
:32:19. > :32:23.promising that you would not vote a particular way, and then you did.
:32:23. > :32:29.When you see that pledge again, do you cringe, do you think that was
:32:29. > :32:31.just a terrible, terrible moment me? Forgive me, I am just going to
:32:31. > :32:36.repeat myself. I think it was mistake and I think it was
:32:36. > :32:41.and for that I think it was right that I should apologise. Mmm. And
:32:41. > :32:47.to those people who voted for you and say "I can never vote Liberal
:32:47. > :32:50.Democrat again, I feel so betrayed", what do you say to them? Well,
:32:50. > :32:54.guess I would ask them, particularly those who say "Oh, that's why I'm
:32:54. > :32:57.going to put all my faith in Labour Party", have they heard
:32:57. > :33:04.Balls apologise for him going prawn cocktail charm
:33:04. > :33:07.the City of London to let the banks off the hook, which got us into this
:33:07. > :33:11.trouble in the first place, have you ever heard the
:33:12. > :33:17.apologise for dragging us into war in Iraq? I know what I am doing is
:33:17. > :33:21.illegal, I wanted to do it for some time because in human terms I made a
:33:21. > :33:23.mistake, I think it was wrong and I should apologise and I am waiting
:33:23. > :33:27.still for some apologies for some big things from the Labour Party as
:33:27. > :33:31.well. Let's move on to what is clearly your main theme at this
:33:31. > :33:35.conference, fairer taxes for times. Mmm. Are you seriously
:33:35. > :33:41.suggesting that you are going able to introduce a wealth tax?
:33:41. > :33:48.During this Parliament? Well, I mean, can I just be clear, what my
:33:48. > :33:52.view is this: we now know that the country is going to have to go
:33:52. > :33:56.through a period of belt-tightening, of fiscal retrenchment, for longer
:33:56. > :34:01.than we had hoped and for whoever is going to be in Parliament in
:34:01. > :34:05.in government in the next Parliament, will have to
:34:05. > :34:10.further savings. That is an economic fact now. We would like to have
:34:10. > :34:12.tried to clear the decks before end of this Parliament but that has
:34:12. > :34:18.not proved possible. I think important we start having
:34:18. > :34:22.now in the middle of this about the principles that govern
:34:22. > :34:25.that period. We have not gone through such a period of
:34:25. > :34:27.belt-tightening the last war so this is a huge
:34:27. > :34:31.undertaking and I start from simple principle that when you are
:34:31. > :34:35.doing that you should start at the top and work down, not start at
:34:35. > :34:38.bottom and work up, in trying to work out how to make the numbers add
:34:38. > :34:41.up. That is why, when I from the right say all the money
:34:41. > :34:45.should come from poor people, should come from people who have to rely
:34:45. > :34:48.some of them through no fault of their own because they've lost
:34:48. > :34:52.work and need some support before they find new work, that all the
:34:52. > :34:56.money should be taken away from them. I'm saying: hang on a minute,
:34:57. > :35:00.let's make sure we do this as fairly as possible. I understand the
:35:00. > :35:05.principle; what I want to know is actually what you are
:35:05. > :35:11.Are you suggesting, for instance, a mansion tax? Do you say you can't
:35:11. > :35:15.move houses and therefore that is a good thing to look at? I believe
:35:15. > :35:19.a mansion tax because I can't think why anyone thinks it's OK if you are
:35:19. > :35:23.an oligarch in a �3 million house in the middle of London you pay the
:35:23. > :35:26.same council tax as someone in a family home next door. So I
:35:26. > :35:29.in a mansion tax. We have not yet managed to persuade the
:35:29. > :35:32.Conservatives, even though I have to say there are an increasing number
:35:32. > :35:36.of Conservatives who understand the merits of having more tax on high
:35:36. > :35:39.value properties, so you can lower tax on effort and work and income
:35:39. > :35:43.and initiative. I understand the principle. Can I ask you again: is
:35:43. > :35:47.there a snowball's chance in hell of a Conservative-led government
:35:47. > :35:52.introducing a wealth tax? I there is a very considerable chance
:35:52. > :35:57.because we've already done a lot of it to make sure that the top pay
:35:57. > :36:00.more tax. And you can persuade George Osborne of that?
:36:00. > :36:04.already persuaded the Conservatives to increase capital gains tax, to
:36:04. > :36:08.increase stamp duty, to massively clamp down on tax avoidance such
:36:08. > :36:12.that most authoritative figures show you that because of figures
:36:12. > :36:17.that - because of decisions we taken with Conservatives, the top
:36:17. > :36:20.10% are paying more rather than less in overall tax. All I'm establishing
:36:20. > :36:24.here is not sort of going through a great long list of additional
:36:24. > :36:28.policies, which of course there are plenty of additional ideas around,
:36:28. > :36:32.but it's establishing the principle that as fiscal restraint
:36:32. > :36:36.carry on for longer than we you have to ask people at the top to
:36:36. > :36:39.make a contribution. A principle is one thing - And I think many
:36:39. > :36:42.who are of considerable wealth in this country want to play their
:36:42. > :36:44.part. This isn't the politics of envy, this is not going after
:36:44. > :36:48.who are successful; this is making sure that we make this journey
:36:48. > :36:54.country, that we succeed in making this journey in a fair and equitable
:36:54. > :37:00.fashion. What I am still confused about is whether this is a jolly
:37:00. > :37:04.aspiration "One day wouldn't it nice to have a wealth tax", that's
:37:04. > :37:09.actually what we need to do, or whether there is any concrete chance
:37:10. > :37:15.whatever during this government of wealth tax because I would
:37:15. > :37:20.to you there is none and these just words. Do I think I am going
:37:20. > :37:25.to succeed with David Cameron and George Osborne, doing the right
:37:25. > :37:30.thing, to take on people who live in fancy mansions, so far I've
:37:30. > :37:33.to do so. I will continue to make the argument - And you will carry
:37:33. > :37:37.on failing, I suggest to you. This is where you are failing to make a
:37:37. > :37:41.distinction. The mansion tax is not the only way in which you can make
:37:41. > :37:44.people at the top make contribution to this huge national
:37:44. > :37:48.effort of balancing our books, we have already, as I've
:37:48. > :37:51.to you, through capital gains tax, through stamp duty, through tax
:37:51. > :37:56.avoidance and many other measures, already ensured that the top 10% pay
:37:57. > :38:00.more and we can do more of that. OK, I was going to say, let me put
:38:00. > :38:02.the question slightly differently. Is there any realistic chance,
:38:02. > :38:07.you believe, that this Conservative-led
:38:07. > :38:10.government is go going to make the wealthiest in this country pay
:38:10. > :38:13.with some new measure before election? Yes. What kind of new
:38:13. > :38:15.measure do you think you are talking about? That's clearly the kind of
:38:15. > :38:21.thing that we are talking about. And you think you can
:38:21. > :38:26.George Osborne to squeeze the further? It's very simple and I
:38:26. > :38:30.have given you a one-word answer, yes. I will tell you why. Because
:38:30. > :38:33.the vast majority of people in this country would find it wholly
:38:33. > :38:38.unacceptable if further fiscal austerity was implemented on the
:38:38. > :38:40.backs of the poor. Most people this country are very fair-minded,
:38:40. > :38:43.they understand that we are in middle of a very difficult journey
:38:43. > :38:46.of repairing, rescuing and reforming our British economy, and they
:38:46. > :38:50.us and they want particularly Liberal Democrats in government to
:38:50. > :38:53.fight for the fairest possible way of doing that. Now, let me be clear,
:38:53. > :38:56.I'm not saying that something as big as welfare, which is about a third
:38:56. > :39:00.of government expenditure, is immune from further savings, but I'm
:39:00. > :39:04.that the burden has to be spread fairly, yes. The reason I'm going on
:39:04. > :39:10.about this is that those fair-minded people out there, who are listening
:39:10. > :39:17.to this conversation, who want the wealthy to pay more, are hearing you
:39:17. > :39:21.at this conference say "Yes, we are going to make the wealthy pay more".
:39:21. > :39:24.If you don't deliver that, goes back to the tuition fees
:39:24. > :39:27.problem, you are saying something that you can't deliver, so tell
:39:27. > :39:31.more about how you are going to make the rich pay more. There are
:39:31. > :39:37.numerous ways that we've already done it and numerous ways that
:39:37. > :39:47.can do more of it. I think it will bore viewers if we go through the
:39:47. > :39:48.
:39:48. > :39:52.encyclopaedic list - Give me one example. All the other things we've
:39:52. > :39:56.already done. Not that you have already done. But given this is
:39:56. > :40:01.about what the country does in the next eight years, I think it's right
:40:01. > :40:04.we set down principles and why I can be so emphatic is I think it's
:40:04. > :40:08.certainly unacceptable to me, think it would be unacceptable to
:40:08. > :40:12.the vast majority of British people and I actually think that sensible
:40:12. > :40:16.Conservatives realise that it would be unacceptable to only introduce
:40:16. > :40:19.further measures of belt-tightening in a way which only hits on the
:40:19. > :40:24.poor. That isn't right, that's not the way you reward aspiration. If
:40:24. > :40:28.you can't get any kind of movement, serious movement,
:40:28. > :40:33.Chancellor on this, do you then veto further cuts on, for instance,
:40:33. > :40:39.welfare budgets? I can't - I don't think I can be much clearer with
:40:39. > :40:43.you. I will not accept a new wave of what they call fiscal retrenchment,
:40:43. > :40:48.of belt-tightening, without asking people at the top to make their
:40:48. > :40:51.contribution, to make an additional contribution. I don't think you can
:40:51. > :40:54.ask people on middle and low incomes, the vast majority of the
:40:54. > :40:59.population, to bear the brunt of this adjustment. When it comes to
:40:59. > :41:04.the timing of all of this, is it the case that the Liberal Democrats will
:41:04. > :41:11.not accept a planned further reduction in spending that goes
:41:11. > :41:14.We have plans for - our spending We have plans for - our spending
:41:15. > :41:17.plans, the overall spending plans bring us up to April 2015, and those
:41:18. > :41:24.will stay in place, not a penny more, not a penny less.
:41:24. > :41:30.there is a very specific issue about the financial year 2015-16. If this
:41:30. > :41:34.government doesn't sort of cross all the t's and dot the i's about
:41:34. > :41:39.the spending plans will be for that year then the lights start going out
:41:39. > :41:46.in Whitehall, civil servants get paid, you don't get transfers
:41:46. > :41:51.local authorities. So it is a we should set out spending plans for
:41:51. > :41:54.the years 2015-16, after all we will be in government for the first
:41:54. > :41:57.weeks of that financial year and possibly longer depending on the
:41:57. > :42:01.outcome of the next general election. However, we are not going
:42:01. > :42:05.to be bound hand and foot as Democrats to Conservative spending
:42:05. > :42:09.plans over the whole of the next Parliament but we will need to fill
:42:09. > :42:12.in for the whole of that first year, yes. So when George Osborne wants
:42:12. > :42:17.further three-year programme can't have it? Of course George
:42:17. > :42:21.Osborne is happy to talk - but can I make one other point. This is part
:42:21. > :42:27.and parcel of what most people agree with, as we fill in the black
:42:27. > :42:30.in the public finances, we also need to make sure we don't make the
:42:30. > :42:33.old mistakes but we re-wire the British economy to make it fairer,
:42:33. > :42:36.give people more opportunities. Let me give you one very good example.
:42:36. > :42:40.At the moment we've got thousands of young people desperate to get their
:42:40. > :42:43.feet on the first rung of property ladder but deposits have
:42:43. > :42:47.doubled, the number of young who are asking for help from family
:42:47. > :42:50.members to get a mortgage has doubled, so I can announce
:42:50. > :42:54.that the government is going to something which hasn't happened
:42:54. > :42:57.before, is we are going to work out ways in which parents and
:42:57. > :43:01.grandparents, who want to help their children and grandchildren buy a
:43:01. > :43:05.property of their own, we are going to allow those parents and
:43:05. > :43:08.grandparents to use their pension pots to act as a kind of guarantee,
:43:08. > :43:11.if you like, so that their youngsters, children and
:43:11. > :43:15.grandchildren, can take out deposit and buy a home. It's a
:43:15. > :43:20.pension for property scheme. That's yet another example, and I've got
:43:20. > :43:24.Steve Webb and Danny Alexander working out the details, another
:43:25. > :43:29.example of how we are getting people without great disposable income but
:43:29. > :43:33.those who have a pension pot to use it for good purposes helping
:43:34. > :43:39.children buy a home of their own. Let's turn to another aspect of
:43:39. > :43:48.this. A lot of people will say "Yes, a wealth tax is something we can
:43:48. > :43:51.imagine with a Lib-Lab government; we can't see it happening with a
:43:51. > :44:00.Lib-Conservative coalition government", and the reason that
:44:00. > :44:05.so sensitive is because your party are so closely talking about this,
:44:05. > :44:08.Vince Cable said he was discussing this with the Labour Party,
:44:08. > :44:12.Hughes has said he is talking to Ed Miliband. Are you not a little
:44:12. > :44:16.concerned that around you the rest of the senior Liberal Democrats are
:44:16. > :44:21.chatting to the other side? first thing I would say is
:44:21. > :44:25.get widely overexcited about the revelation that politicians talk to
:44:25. > :44:29.each other across party lines. I've had lengthy conversations recently
:44:29. > :44:34.with Ed Miliband, with David Miliband, with Peter Mandelson,
:44:34. > :44:38.Blair - talking about a wealth tax? Talking about other things, reform,
:44:38. > :44:43.things that politicians continue to talk about - But a
:44:43. > :44:47.wealth tax as well? On that, it was the Labour Party which presided
:44:47. > :44:52.a tax system for 13 years which two features which Labour have now -
:44:52. > :44:59.it's an important point since you have raised Labour. Firstly, the
:44:59. > :45:04.upper rate of tax was lower at 40% than our new upper rate, much
:45:04. > :45:08.criticised, of 45% - You voted cut income tax for the richest.
:45:08. > :45:11.This is what I'm trying to point out. The cut we are introducing next
:45:11. > :45:16.April will still leave the upper rate higher than it was under
:45:16. > :45:20.Labour. OK. And secondly Labour presided, despite our constant
:45:20. > :45:24.warnings to the contrary, over a grotesque tax system which allowed a
:45:24. > :45:28.banker in the City of London to less tax on their dividends and on
:45:28. > :45:32.parts of their income than the cleaner did on their wages. Now, we
:45:32. > :45:36.changed that by raising capital gains tax by a significant
:45:36. > :45:40.the moment we came into government so ironically it was a Liberal
:45:40. > :45:46.Democrat - I agree with you it's ironic - it was the coalition
:45:46. > :45:52.government that introduced fairer tax measures which Labour had balked
:45:52. > :45:59.at for 13 years. But now Cable and Ed Balls are discussing a
:45:59. > :46:04.mansion tax and it has been made clear that any chance of a Lib-Lab
:46:04. > :46:07.coalition depends on you go. not up to them to decide on the
:46:07. > :46:12.outcome of the next general election. I will say what I have
:46:12. > :46:17.said a thousand times in the run-up to the last election which
:46:17. > :46:21.it's not about the personal likes and dislikes of politicians that
:46:21. > :46:25.should drive this, it should be British people. In the
:46:25. > :46:28.election as you will remember, the only possible outcome to create
:46:28. > :46:33.stable government, which we needed at a time that the country was
:46:33. > :46:35.teetering on the economic brink, was a Conservative-Liberal Democrat
:46:36. > :46:39.coalition. Whilst I know there plenty of criticism about this or
:46:39. > :46:44.that decision, I've apologised for things we've made mistakes on, I
:46:44. > :46:47.think the big judgments the Democrats have made, big judgments -
:46:47. > :46:51.and at the end of the day it's big judgments you get judged on at
:46:51. > :46:53.election day in 2015 - were right. We were right to
:46:53. > :46:57.in the first place. At that you made it absolutely clear you
:46:57. > :47:00.would not go into government Gordon Brown under any circumstances
:47:00. > :47:03.so it's hardly surprising they are turning around saying we don't
:47:03. > :47:07.Clegg. It was wholly different. Gordon Brown was Prime Minister and
:47:07. > :47:11.the British people would not have accepted the Prime Minister becoming
:47:11. > :47:13.Prime Minister again via the back door. It was completely different.
:47:13. > :47:16.Gordon Brown had been Prime Minister, he has lost the
:47:16. > :47:18.election and I said this out of no personal malice, it would have been
:47:18. > :47:23.wrong for Gordon Brown having lost the general election to walk
:47:23. > :47:27.the door of Number 10 again. As to your own future as party leader, if
:47:27. > :47:31.the Liberal Democrats - Much speculated upon. Much speculated
:47:31. > :47:37.upon, there are plenty of people plotting all around us. I am not
:47:37. > :47:40.sure that is right. I can show you, I've met some of them. There really
:47:40. > :47:43.are. Are you absolutely will be party leader at the time
:47:43. > :47:46.the next election? You will say you want to be party leader but it is
:47:46. > :47:49.to this party and your internal polling figures amongst Liberal
:47:49. > :47:54.Democrats are terrible, the electorate. A lot of people
:47:54. > :47:57.saying we really have to move Nick Clegg as party leader if we have
:47:57. > :48:02.chance of avoiding local elections and then the general
:48:02. > :48:04.elections. I've just spent the whole summer speaking to more
:48:05. > :48:07.Liberal Democrat members than you have. That's certainly true.
:48:07. > :48:10.That's certainly true. I make it my business, which is right, it's
:48:10. > :48:13.of the things I actually enjoy my job, really understanding what
:48:13. > :48:16.people are feeling in my party, which I lead, and I have been
:48:16. > :48:20.every single part of the country holding open sessions where
:48:20. > :48:26.can ask me questions and yes, are anxieties, yes, there are
:48:26. > :48:30.concerns about clearly the damage done to our standing in the polls
:48:30. > :48:32.because of what we've done in coalition government. But there is
:48:32. > :48:37.extraordinary resilience and unity and I would ask you, after the end
:48:37. > :48:43.of this conference, to make a fair judgment about whether you
:48:43. > :48:47.this party - OK, are you - let me finish - is a divided party or an
:48:47. > :48:50.extraordinarily resilient party grateful under fire, yes accepting
:48:50. > :48:54.that we are getting in the neck right and left and of course I do
:48:54. > :48:57.more than anybody else as that is part of my job - So
:48:57. > :49:00.is no chance that you are going to stand aside before the election?
:49:00. > :49:03.Absolutely clear? I think the idea that when you are halfway up a
:49:03. > :49:09.mountain you suddenly bail out when the journey gets most difficult,
:49:09. > :49:12.that you suddenly flinch, I'm not going to flinch, I don't think you
:49:12. > :49:15.should when you are halfway journey where no one can possibly
:49:15. > :49:18.predict what the circumstances, economic and political are
:49:18. > :49:23.be in 2015 and in the meantime I am going to concentrate on what is the
:49:23. > :49:25.central mission of the Liberal Democrats in government, which
:49:25. > :49:28.only to rescue and reform the British economy but to do so
:49:28. > :49:35.as well. If Andrew Mitchell was Liberal Democrat minister, would
:49:35. > :49:39.still be in his job? I think that civility, being courteous to the
:49:39. > :49:43.police, is important, all times, but of course it's
:49:43. > :49:47.especially important given the tragic events, the killing
:49:47. > :49:53.Fiona Bone and PC Nicola Hughes, so what Andrew Mitchell did was wrong,
:49:53. > :49:55.very wrong. He knows that. He has apologised to the police and
:49:55. > :49:59.explained himself. I think he was right to do so. Do you
:49:59. > :50:02.needs to make a fuller explanation? Does he need to come in front of the
:50:02. > :50:05.cameras and explain what and talk to the country? A lot of
:50:05. > :50:09.people are very angry about this. They are angry and I can understand
:50:09. > :50:13.that they think it is plain wrong to be discourteous and rude to the
:50:13. > :50:16.police who are only doing their job after all. It's that word "pleb"
:50:16. > :50:18.that seems to have caused most anger. Yes, of course. Of course.
:50:18. > :50:23.He has apologised for it and right too. He should do
:50:23. > :50:28.done. Unless something comes to light about rival versions
:50:28. > :50:32.what was and wasn't said, that I don't know about, I think he should
:50:32. > :50:36.apologise, apologise in full, done that, that is right, and draw a
:50:36. > :50:42.line under it in that way. And in his job. All right, Nick
:50:42. > :50:47.for now thank you very much Over to Jenny for the headlines.
:50:47. > :50:51.has told this programme should be introduced to ensure the
:50:51. > :50:56.wealthiest 10% in the country their fair share of tax. He said
:50:56. > :50:59.that though he believes in a mansion tax further measures should be taken
:50:59. > :51:03.too. Mr Clegg added that the Liberal Democrats were not going to be
:51:03. > :51:06.by Conservative spending plans the next election.
:51:06. > :51:08.Church services will be held today Church services will be held today
:51:08. > :51:11.in Greater Manchester to remember the two female police officers
:51:11. > :51:17.murdered in a gun and grenade attack. The area's
:51:17. > :51:21.Sir Peter Fahy, said a prayer vigil will also be held on Tuesday, a week
:51:21. > :51:24.on from the deaths of PC Nicola Hughes and PC Fiona Bone. In an
:51:24. > :51:29.interview with the BBC, Sir said his Christian faith was
:51:29. > :51:32.him come to terms with their deaths. The Conservative Chief Whip Andrew
:51:32. > :51:37.Mitchell is coming under more pressure this morning after one of
:51:37. > :51:40.his friends told a newspaper Mr Mitchell had sworn during an angry
:51:40. > :51:44.confrontation with police officers. The friend, who hasn't been
:51:44. > :51:49.said the MP had sworn in frustration at not being able to cycle through
:51:49. > :51:53.the Downing Street gates, but they insisted Mr Mitchell's
:51:53. > :51:57.not directed at the officers. That's all from me for now. The next
:51:57. > :52:02.news on BBC One is at midday. Back to Andrew in Brighton in just
:52:02. > :52:06.moment. First though a look at what is coming up after this show.
:52:06. > :52:12.Today, after two WPCs were killed this week, we are asking should we
:52:12. > :52:18.arm all our police officers? As violent protests continue against a
:52:18. > :52:22.low budget anti-Islam film is it time communities stopped being so
:52:22. > :52:24.offended? And is marriage anymore?
:52:24. > :52:26.Well, it's that time of the Well, it's that time of the
:52:26. > :52:30.programme when we turn to music, which is why Nick Clegg is still
:52:30. > :52:33.with me and we have been joined again by our paper reviewer Amanda
:52:33. > :52:37.Platell. We are going to go back to that apology. I think we can
:52:37. > :52:42.say it's the first time, Nick, you have been climbing the music
:52:42. > :52:49.charts and the iPlayer charts, at number 32. Let's have a little
:52:49. > :52:49.# It was made with the best of intentions
:52:49. > :52:50.intentions intentions
:52:50. > :52:56.# It was # With the best of intentions
:52:56. > :53:00.# But we shouldn't have made pledge we couldn't deliver
:53:00. > :53:08.# I'm sorry, I'm sorry # There's no easy way to say it
:53:08. > :53:12.It's quite good actually. It may be It's quite good actually. It may be
:53:12. > :53:17.slightly more effective than the original. Did you have any
:53:18. > :53:22.that was going to happen? No, it's amazing how quickly they do
:53:22. > :53:26.things but they said we want to sell it on iTunes, I said fine, go
:53:26. > :53:31.You can hardly say no and it's very catchy tune, but as long as the
:53:31. > :53:33.money raised goes to a charity in Sheffield, where I'm an MP to the
:53:33. > :53:40.Sheffield Children's Hospital, they agreed, so I hope that
:53:40. > :53:44.good way of doing it. Mmm. Amanda, you are probably not the strongest
:53:44. > :53:48.supporter of the and Nick Clegg in the media. Shock
:53:48. > :53:52.horror, there's a surprise. Sorry, Nick. What's your reading of
:53:52. > :53:55.it will be a blustery week? I think you've got as much to do to convince
:53:55. > :54:01.your own party as you do the country, and I feel a bit sorry
:54:01. > :54:09.you actually. All these polls are absolutely appalling. One had us at
:54:09. > :54:19.18%, not too bad, is it? It reminds me of the days of William Hague -
:54:19. > :54:21.You were his press secretary. But I must say you smile a lot. The day I
:54:21. > :54:25.take advice from Amanda on the internal sentiment of the Liberal
:54:25. > :54:30.Democrats, I've clearly lost the plot. It will be a difficult week.
:54:30. > :54:33.You say you enjoy talking Democrats but it must be hard
:54:33. > :54:35.you getting this level of abuse and attack for so long. You can
:54:35. > :54:39.have thought when you went into politics
:54:39. > :54:43.you? Look, I'm not trying to be silly, of course the polls are bad,
:54:43. > :54:48.but I have to say to you, I spend a lot of time - I don't live behind
:54:48. > :54:53.the battlements in Whitehall, I am out and about with my children every
:54:53. > :54:57.weekend, leading a relatively normal family life, out and about in my
:54:57. > :55:03.constituency a lot, and people even if they don't agree are keen to
:55:03. > :55:07.engage in an upfront, civil way. This idea of constant remorseless
:55:07. > :55:11.abuse isn't the way I experience things. As Amanda said, you
:55:11. > :55:17.cheerful on it. One more treat as we have time for some real music.
:55:17. > :55:23.Lianne La Havas is an acclaimed song writer from London who has released
:55:23. > :55:27.an album earlier this summer, Your Love Big Enough, and she has
:55:27. > :55:34.been nominated for the Mercury award. You have a tour
:55:34. > :55:38.coming? I have, yes. I will be here on the 18th. So people of Brighton
:55:38. > :55:42.know that. Being nominated for a Mercury - there are endless prizes
:55:42. > :55:49.around - how big a deal is that? It's a pretty big deal. It's the
:55:49. > :55:51.dream nomination, I think, for British singers and artists. And
:55:51. > :55:56.singer-songwriters are doing well at the moment, aren't you?
:55:56. > :56:00.There's quite a wave of people - Would like to think so. Have you
:56:00. > :56:04.been writing your stuff time? I have, for a good few years
:56:04. > :56:07.now so it feels amazing to be noticed for it. Marvellous,
:56:07. > :56:10.we are going to look forward to very much indeed. We will be on the
:56:10. > :56:13.road again next Sunday in Manchester, at the Labour Party
:56:13. > :56:16.conference, where I will be joined by the leader of the opposition, Ed
:56:16. > :56:26.Miliband, so do join me at the usual time for that. For now,
:56:26. > :56:31.
:56:31. > :56:38.we leave you with Lianne La Havas and No Room For Doubt.
:56:38. > :56:48.# You caught me, gilt # You caught me, gilt
:56:48. > :56:58.# Taking the pieces of you # That night, took flight
:56:58. > :56:59.
:56:59. > :57:07.# I won't let a safe bet # I won't let a safe bet
:57:07. > :57:15.# Continue to make me go blue # I could go solo
:57:15. > :57:21.# Would that be the right thing do?
:57:21. > :57:29.# We all make mistakes, we do # We all make mistakes, we do
:57:29. > :57:38.# I learnt from you # We all make mistakes, we do
:57:38. > :57:48.# I learnt from you # I tiptoe, too slow
:57:48. > :57:57.# Out of the door to your house # I know you know
:57:57. > :58:05.# That this way leads me out # Outside, too bright
:58:05. > :58:15.# You're within, I'm without # You're within
:58:15. > :58:15.
:58:15. > :58:23.# We all make mistakes, we do # I learnt from you
:58:23. > :58:31.# We all make mistakes, we do # I learnt from you