:00:42. > :00:45.Good morning. Very cold, and it's going to affect more than your
:00:45. > :00:47.choice of coats and jumpers - news just in warns about defects
:00:47. > :00:52.including splits in the skin, discoloration, holes in the middle,
:00:52. > :00:54.and weirdly twisted shapes. For yes, thanks to floods and freeze,
:00:55. > :00:57.there's a shortage of potatoes, carrots and sprouts this year and
:00:58. > :01:07.according to supermarkets we're going to have to learn to love ugly
:01:07. > :01:09.You heard it here first. No ugly vegetables on this show, however.
:01:09. > :01:13.Two blooming paper reviewers this morning - the Times columnist and
:01:13. > :01:19.former speechwriter for Tony Blair, Phil Collins. Plus the director of
:01:19. > :01:21.Liberty, Shami Chakrabati. The big economic news comes in detail on
:01:21. > :01:24.Wednesday with what's called the Autumn Statement but which is
:01:24. > :01:27.probably going to feel more like the winter statement, even the
:01:27. > :01:30.midwinter statement, with austerity, freezes and cold comfort. The
:01:30. > :01:38.chancellor George Osborne joins us to talk about growth, taxes,
:01:38. > :01:41.welfare and the cost of living - can he still hit his key targets?
:01:41. > :01:44.And from the Labour side, can Ed Balls - a long-time critic of the
:01:44. > :01:48.austerity programme - convince voters that he has an alternative
:01:48. > :01:51.plan which can stop the debt just piling up? The other talking point
:01:51. > :01:54.this weekend is whether British newspapers be trusted to behave
:01:54. > :01:59.more responsibly without a formal legal framework for a new press
:02:00. > :02:03.watchdog. Actor Hugh Grant was a victim of phone hacking and
:02:03. > :02:05.believes new laws must underpin the new system, though not its day to
:02:06. > :02:11.day working. John Whittingdale MP, who chaired the parliamentary
:02:11. > :02:20.committee that first looked into phone hacking, is wary. Plus this
:02:20. > :02:23.morning, you'll have noticed the drums and piano. Jools Holland is
:02:23. > :02:29.here with Rumer, and more crash and thump than this little studio has
:02:29. > :02:31.ever seen before. They'll be singing a song for George Osborne,
:02:32. > :02:38.or one whose title he'll certainly agree with, it's called Accentuate
:02:39. > :02:43.The Positive. All that coming up after the news from Naga Munchetty.
:02:43. > :02:49.Good morning. The Chancellor George Osborne has acknowledged that
:02:49. > :02:52.reducing the nation's debt may take longer than he's planned. Writing
:02:52. > :02:55.in a Sunday newspaper, Mr Osborne says the road ahead will be longer
:02:55. > :02:58.than he thought but that turning back would be a disaster.
:02:58. > :03:00.Economists say the Chancellor will have to reduce spending further if
:03:00. > :03:07.he's to meet deficit targets. Cutting tax relief for pensions
:03:07. > :03:09.could be among the measures. A major road tunnel has collapsed
:03:09. > :03:12.in Japan, trapping cars and killing several people Large sections of
:03:12. > :03:15.concrete fell on vehicles in the Sasago tunnel which is 50 miles
:03:15. > :03:19.West of Tokyo. The search and rescue operation has been suspended
:03:19. > :03:29.because of fears of another collapse. Rupert Wingfield Hayes
:03:29. > :03:29.
:03:29. > :03:35.reports. These grainy CCTV pictures from inside the tunnel show of the
:03:35. > :03:39.section of ceiling, perhaps as long as 100 metres, that collapsed on to
:03:39. > :03:44.the roadway below. Rescue workers can be seen scrambling over the
:03:44. > :03:50.concrete. Underneath there is thought to be a number of vehicles
:03:50. > :03:55.and people buried, but how many no one is sure. The four kilometre
:03:55. > :04:01.long Sasago tunnel lies on one of Japan's most important and busiest
:04:01. > :04:05.highways, linking Tokyo to central Japan. Earlier smoke could be seen
:04:05. > :04:11.billowing from the entrance, although the fire does now appear
:04:11. > :04:16.to be out. At least 20 people are reported to have escaped from their
:04:16. > :04:21.cars inside the tunnel and walk to safety. Some described terrifying
:04:21. > :04:26.scenes as concrete fell around their vehicles. Japanese television
:04:26. > :04:34.news says the rescue teams have been withdrawn from inside the
:04:34. > :04:41.tunnel because there are fears more sections of the tunnel could
:04:41. > :04:43.collapse. There were no earthquakes reported in the area this morning.
:04:43. > :04:47.Taliban suicide attackers have targeted a NATO military base in
:04:47. > :04:50.Afghanistan. All seven insurgents and one Afghan guard were killed in
:04:50. > :04:53.the raid which happened near Jalalabad. Car bombs were used in
:04:53. > :04:55.the strike which shattered windows a kilometre away. NATO is gradually
:04:55. > :05:03.handing security over to Afghan forces ahead of the departure of
:05:03. > :05:06.most combat troops in 2014. A key adviser to Lord Justice
:05:06. > :05:09.Leveson says his proposals for press regulation would breach the
:05:09. > :05:14.Human Rights Act. The judge's report recommended an independent
:05:14. > :05:18.self-regulatory body reinforced by law. And a group of high profile
:05:18. > :05:21.celebrities has launched a petition to support it. But Shami
:05:21. > :05:27.Chakrabarti of the civil rights group Liberty says the press is
:05:27. > :05:30.being coerced. David Beckham has ended his US
:05:30. > :05:34.football career on a high - his team have won the Major League
:05:34. > :05:38.Soccer cup final. It's the second year in a row Beckham has helped LA
:05:38. > :05:42.Galaxy win the competition. There's now much speculation over where
:05:42. > :05:49.he'll be going next. Monaco and Paris Saint Germain are believed to
:05:49. > :05:53.have made approaches. That's all from me for now. I'll be back with
:05:53. > :06:03.the headlines just before ten o'clock. Back to you, Andrew. Thank
:06:03. > :06:03.
:06:04. > :06:11.you, Naga. Now to the front pages. This is the Observer, and many
:06:12. > :06:17.rugby fans will be pleased by this picture, showing the victory over
:06:17. > :06:23.the All Blacks. The Independent on Sunday has an interesting you'd
:06:23. > :06:30.take, a growing argument about how much tax big companies pay has
:06:30. > :06:39.spread to football, the big football clubs. The Sunday Times
:06:39. > :06:49.says George Osborne, who is with us later, involved in a new tax will
:06:49. > :07:07.
:07:07. > :07:15.The Sunday Express warning about the end of the beat bobby. Last
:07:15. > :07:20.week it was the end of the GP's surgery. Thank you Phil Collins and
:07:20. > :07:25.Shami Chakrabarti. It is impossible to open a newspaper without your
:07:25. > :07:35.face on it. It is a black day indeed if that is the case.
:07:35. > :07:36.
:07:36. > :07:40.have become the pin up for opposing statutory regulation. I think this
:07:40. > :07:45.is getting unnecessarily polarised, including my position in it. I
:07:45. > :07:53.support the Leveson plan for independent self regulation of the
:07:53. > :08:03.press. That is his recommendation. And you were part of the panel
:08:03. > :08:08.advising him. Yes, but I speak for myself now as a member of liberty.
:08:08. > :08:13.I have not delivered a bombshell in the Mail on Sunday, I have tried to
:08:13. > :08:17.explain but I will try harder now on BBC One. I support the plan for
:08:17. > :08:22.a more independent, robust self regulator. That is his
:08:22. > :08:27.recommendation and I think it is amazing that so many people,
:08:27. > :08:33.including the press, appear to be coalescing around that plan. The
:08:33. > :08:41.second point is how you encourage people to set up such a club.
:08:41. > :08:51.are carrots and the sticks. support this. On the one hand,
:08:51. > :08:57.
:08:57. > :09:02.victims of violations of privacy... Ken you make this work without
:09:02. > :09:12.regulation? You can try to do it without court rules. If you can't,
:09:12. > :09:17.I would support a statute that did just that, and that is part of the
:09:17. > :09:23.plan from Leveson and I support it. The bombshell is what you do if
:09:23. > :09:27.people don't join the club and Leveson does not want compulsory
:09:27. > :09:36.regulation of the press but he says if they don't play ball politicians
:09:36. > :09:42.may have to consider it. This they in in the Mail exhibits a principal
:09:42. > :09:47.in awe of the papers, any distinction has been exploded in
:09:47. > :09:52.all the papers this morning. Every one is campaigning. It is
:09:52. > :09:58.intriguing and the politicians and the press are much more interested
:09:58. > :10:04.in this story than the wider public, I suspect, and we have wall-to-wall
:10:04. > :10:08.coverage of it. Any news is just spawn and made up so there is a
:10:08. > :10:13.relentless quality to the coverage in the papers this morning. One of
:10:13. > :10:19.the things I did pick up is that Labour, the Lib Dems and the Tory
:10:19. > :10:24.pro legislation people are likely to come up with a draft Bill of the
:10:24. > :10:29.Rome quite quickly. Yes, I think there will be a race for a draft
:10:29. > :10:34.bill. For the mistake is thinking this is about legislation or not
:10:34. > :10:41.legislation. This is about whether there should be incentives to
:10:42. > :10:48.people to join a decent press club or compulsion. Nudges from judges.
:10:48. > :10:58.Yes, excellent. Let's move on to some of the other stories. I think
:10:58. > :11:07.
:11:07. > :11:10.you chose the Observer's front page? Nick Boyle's has said we have
:11:10. > :11:16.got to build on the countryside and he said it rebuilt nice things on
:11:16. > :11:19.the countryside people's objections will melt away. Andrew motion has
:11:19. > :11:26.said this is an appalling display of vandalism on the countryside,
:11:26. > :11:31.but actually Nick Boyles is essentially right. We need more
:11:31. > :11:41.houses. We knew say nice things, are you talking about Prince
:11:41. > :11:43.
:11:43. > :11:47.Charles's pounds -- style houses? At we are living longer and we
:11:47. > :11:50.don't have a house building that Monique so it has got to go
:11:50. > :11:56.somewhere, and of course nobody wants it near their house but there
:11:56. > :12:00.has to be a solution to this. You have got an unusual political fight
:12:00. > :12:04.common up between the Tory party and the countryside, very similar
:12:04. > :12:09.to what the last government went through. It is a problem that can
:12:09. > :12:15.only be solved by building more houses. No way through it. We
:12:15. > :12:19.should do a bit of economics as well. So many stories in the paper
:12:19. > :12:24.purporting to know what is coming in the Autumn Statement. I have
:12:24. > :12:29.chosen to go straight to the horse's mouth, as it were. There is
:12:29. > :12:33.speculation about what might be in it, but in the Sun we have the
:12:34. > :12:38.authentic political voice of George Osborne, a script for the next
:12:38. > :12:43.general election effectively, which is to say that Labour spent all of
:12:43. > :12:48.your money, don't let them do it again. It has been awful but we are
:12:48. > :12:53.on the right course so don't turn back. We have it set out, the
:12:53. > :13:01.perfect script in this Tom. have chosen a Guantanamo story.
:13:01. > :13:05.you believe there is still a British resident in Guantanamo?
:13:05. > :13:13.Next week the Met Police are flying out to Cuba to interview him about
:13:13. > :13:19.his suggestion that he was tortured in front of UK security personnel.
:13:19. > :13:24.I feel rather ashamed, having done this work for all these years, and
:13:24. > :13:29.we have still got a British resident in Guantanamo. President
:13:29. > :13:36.Obama has now been re-elected. The first time he was elected, he was
:13:36. > :13:40.going to close it down. Now there is a Bill going through Parliament
:13:40. > :13:43.to introduce secret courts that would make it even harder to expose
:13:43. > :13:50.the agencies and the government when they get mixed up in this kind
:13:50. > :13:55.of scandal. Back to British politics. Every time you have a by-
:13:55. > :13:59.election or something peculiar happens, you get this article in
:13:59. > :14:05.the Independent, which is to say the small party is on the verge of
:14:05. > :14:13.a breakthrough. It is usually the BNP, now it is UKIP, which I
:14:13. > :14:18.suppose his progress of this sort. This is the art -- article asking
:14:19. > :14:27.if they are about to burst through and the onset is they are not. They
:14:27. > :14:31.tend to do well in European elections because UKIP think this
:14:32. > :14:37.is the only issue and I have nothing else to say. Are they not
:14:37. > :14:40.mutating into an alternative right of centre party on education,
:14:40. > :14:50.immigration, and things that appealed to Tory heartland voters?
:14:50. > :14:51.
:14:51. > :14:56.More than that they have become a repository for people who don't
:14:56. > :15:01.like politicians. Once upon a time you could kick them by voting for
:15:01. > :15:10.Liberal Democrats. That is a lovely the theory that Liberal Democrats
:15:10. > :15:14.are migrating to UKIP. They I don't like politics people. Are they
:15:14. > :15:18.worried about the amount of seats they might lose on the edge?
:15:18. > :15:28.they are worried about it but they can't win unless they appealed to
:15:28. > :15:29.
:15:29. > :15:33.the centre. If they spend all their time worrying about UKIP, they will
:15:33. > :15:37.one do all the wrong things and that would be worse. Phone hacking
:15:38. > :15:40.is not the only scandal of recent years and it is sad the
:15:40. > :15:50.construction worker blacklist scandal has not attracted the same
:15:50. > :16:00.
:16:00. > :16:05.Something similar happened with a consultancy company that was
:16:05. > :16:08.storing the names of people on a blacklist. They were black lifted
:16:08. > :16:13.because they were trade union is so they were raising concerns about
:16:13. > :16:17.health and safety. Health and safety on a building site is a
:16:17. > :16:20.life-and-death matter. People's lives were ruined and they found
:16:20. > :16:24.they could not work in the construction industry for years.
:16:24. > :16:29.One of the things that has not been touched on in the coverage of
:16:29. > :16:31.lovers in is that Leveson is concerned with the current
:16:31. > :16:37.Information Commissioner's Office and that it did not do everything
:16:37. > :16:43.it could have done about phone hacking. He said it should have
:16:43. > :16:48.more powers and resources. This would also apply to the hideous
:16:48. > :16:56.black list that has been kept about construction workers. The observer
:16:56. > :17:00.tells us that it has affected the Crossrail project. You point about
:17:00. > :17:07.Leveson not being the biggest story, the politics of this a fascinating.
:17:07. > :17:11.If we look back on this with a bit of perspective, it may be that the
:17:11. > :17:21.Lord that has had the big media moment is not necessarily Lord
:17:21. > :17:21.
:17:21. > :17:31.Brabazon, but Lord McAlpine. That attempt to put in place laws that
:17:31. > :17:33.
:17:33. > :17:37.govern people on Twitter could be the biggest thing. I disagree. What
:17:37. > :17:42.you have missed is that Leveson allows for more than one club to be
:17:42. > :17:49.set up. So tweeters that wanted to benefit from legal protection could
:17:49. > :17:55.be the same thing. The others by- election -- the other a style icon
:17:55. > :18:00.in the papers today is Angelina Jolie. Channel 4 News did a really
:18:00. > :18:05.important piece last night. It was about her campaign with the Foreign
:18:05. > :18:10.Secretary, William Hague, in relation to rape being used as a
:18:10. > :18:16.weapon of war. She lets slip in that interview that sometimes she
:18:16. > :18:26.finds her campaigning and her role as a mother to be more fulfilling
:18:26. > :18:27.
:18:27. > :18:30.than acting. The grass is greener, that is all I can say. My response
:18:30. > :18:38.to the headline that she is thinking about quitting acting is
:18:38. > :18:45.that I did not know she had started. And football managers in the
:18:45. > :18:52.newspapers as well. 10 days into his job at Chelsea, Rafael Benitez
:18:52. > :18:57.is facing headlines that he faces the axe. Roberto Mancini, their
:18:57. > :19:02.second in the league, he was booed off the pitch. The pace at which
:19:03. > :19:07.this happens now is absolutely ludicrous. In a league of 20 teams,
:19:07. > :19:15.it is obvious that 19 of them are not going to win, but the lack of
:19:15. > :19:19.patience is there. Thank you both very much for that. Quite sunny in
:19:19. > :19:22.the Southeast yesterday and more sunshine promised today, but cold.
:19:22. > :19:26.An inch or more of snow predicted in many parts this evening. Really
:19:26. > :19:29.pretty serious winter weather. Tingling toes and sore fingers,
:19:29. > :19:34.woolly hat time. With a more scientific run-down, here is Sarah
:19:34. > :19:39.scientific run-down, here is Sarah Keith-Lucas. Good morning. There is
:19:39. > :19:46.a real winter the flavour to the weather over the next 24 hours in
:19:46. > :19:51.particular. It will be bright with sunshine for many is and it will
:19:51. > :19:56.feel very cold. This evening, we will see some snowfall arriving.
:19:56. > :20:01.Today, we have glorious winter sunshine for central and eastern
:20:01. > :20:07.areas. Things change for the West with rain spilling in, but even
:20:07. > :20:13.with its days cold, temperatures around four degrees. This evening,
:20:13. > :20:17.the rain will bump into the cold air, and it will turn to snow. It
:20:17. > :20:25.is likely to effect Lincolnshire, up through northern England and
:20:25. > :20:30.Scotland. We could see five centimetres on the hills. Even more
:20:30. > :20:35.for Highland Scotland. In the south, the range sheet out of the way
:20:35. > :20:41.fairly quickly on Monday morning. Snow will linger across parts of
:20:41. > :20:51.Scotland for longer. Sunshine and showers, a milder and breezier day
:20:51. > :20:57.
:20:57. > :21:01.on Monday. Things are looking cold -- and wintery.
:21:01. > :21:04.Last Thursday, Lord Justice Leveson delivered his report on the press.
:21:04. > :21:07.The current safeguards are woefully inadequate, he said, the industry's
:21:07. > :21:10.own plans for a new body were not good enough and Parliament must now
:21:10. > :21:13.act to guarantee that the new system has the scope, powers and
:21:13. > :21:15.independence needed to operate effectively. The case for a legally
:21:15. > :21:18.enshrined structure has been championed by many of those who
:21:18. > :21:22.have been victims of press excess, including the actor Hugh Grant. A
:21:22. > :21:25.couple of months ago, on the eve of the Tory party conference, I
:21:25. > :21:28.interviewed both Hugh Grant and the Prime Minister on the same show.
:21:28. > :21:30.Back then, it seemed the Leveson report might get a warmer welcome
:21:30. > :21:36.in Downing Street. You told him that it what Leveson suggested was
:21:36. > :21:41.not bonkers, you would implement it. Is that the case? Absolutely. We
:21:41. > :21:46.have got to remember why this was set up in the first place.
:21:46. > :21:48.But what now? With Ed Miliband urging his MPs to endorse the
:21:48. > :21:51.campaign for formal new laws, Nick Clegg saying publicly that he
:21:51. > :21:54.disagrees with the PM and many Tory backbenchers urging David Cameron
:21:54. > :21:57.to hold out against any statutory regulation, it seems that the way
:21:57. > :22:01.Leveson is implemented will be fought out on the floor of the
:22:01. > :22:03.Commons. Joining me from his constituency in Essex is the
:22:03. > :22:11.chairman of the Culture Select Committee, John Whittingdale, and
:22:11. > :22:16.here in the studio we have Hugh Grant. Good morning. Hugh Grant,
:22:16. > :22:22.were you surprised when you heard what the Prime Ministers that? Was
:22:22. > :22:27.it genuinely surprising? Yes, I had just read the report locked in a
:22:27. > :22:34.room with a number of the true victims of this, and I do not
:22:34. > :22:39.include myself. I was in a room with the Dow the family, and we
:22:39. > :22:45.thought the report was intelligent, but at the mild end of what
:22:45. > :22:52.everyone had hoped for. We thought, the is no way the Prime Minister
:22:52. > :22:57.cannot endorse this. We sat in the Hacked Off room with a bunch of 50
:22:57. > :23:02.or 60 other non celebrity victims, people like the Hillsborough
:23:02. > :23:07.families group, watching the Prime Ministers speaking the Commons. The
:23:07. > :23:12.feeling was one of astonishment and betrayal. This is a very
:23:12. > :23:17.complicated proposal. Can you explain why you think statutory
:23:17. > :23:22.legislation underpinning this brand new body matters so much? It simply
:23:22. > :23:26.will not work without it. We have had seven attempts in the last six
:23:26. > :23:32.years to allow the press one more chance at regulating themselves and
:23:32. > :23:38.each one has been unsuccessful. It beggars belief that the Prime
:23:38. > :23:43.Minister can think that on this occasion it will work. What the
:23:43. > :23:48.judge recommended was extremely mild. One of the statutes was let's
:23:48. > :23:53.enshrined freedom of the press in statute. Of First Amendment. We
:23:53. > :23:58.will not see that report in any of the newspapers. John Whittingdale,
:23:58. > :24:01.were you surprised by what the Prime Minister said? A lot of
:24:01. > :24:07.Conservatives are standing up against any kind of legislation.
:24:07. > :24:10.That seems to be a growing feeling within the party? I was not
:24:10. > :24:14.surprised because I think the Prime Minister made some strong points
:24:14. > :24:19.about the real concerns of the principle of legislation of the
:24:19. > :24:25.prize, and also about some genuine practical difficulties about some
:24:25. > :24:29.of the proposals that Lord Brabazon came up with. Hugh Grant said we
:24:29. > :24:36.cannot have the press regulating themselves, it has failed, and it
:24:36. > :24:40.has failed. That is not under discussion. Everyone agrees there
:24:40. > :24:46.needs to be a brand new body that is independent of the press, with
:24:46. > :24:50.powers to impose penalties. That is the first time that has happened.
:24:50. > :24:54.There is no disagreement about it and that will result from ladders
:24:54. > :25:02.and. The only debate is whether the body has to be underpinned by
:25:02. > :25:06.legislation. But the discussion is being led by the editors, the press,
:25:06. > :25:11.and the worry is that something will be done to satisfy them rather
:25:11. > :25:14.than people like Hugh Grant? Obviously the editors have to be
:25:14. > :25:19.involved in the discussion because if the body is to work, the
:25:19. > :25:23.newspapers have got to make clear that the accept its rulings, that
:25:23. > :25:28.they will obey the code of conduct, but they must not be the people at
:25:28. > :25:32.judge whether the rules have been broken. Lord Leveson was very clear
:25:32. > :25:37.that there should be no MPs are to another sitting on the independent
:25:37. > :25:42.body and that is something I agree with, and we must now look to all
:25:42. > :25:47.the newspapers to sign up to this. If they do not, perhaps we would
:25:47. > :25:51.have to move to legislation, but we have real concerns about doing so.
:25:51. > :25:57.We should give a chance to the industry to prove that it will
:25:57. > :26:02.accept legislation. The people who are going to sit down at his
:26:02. > :26:05.meeting with the editors on Thursday to device is brand new
:26:05. > :26:10.form of so-called independent regulation at exactly the same
:26:10. > :26:16.people are who came up with the Press Complaints Commission, which
:26:16. > :26:19.is widely discredited. They are the same people who came up with the
:26:19. > :26:26.hunt-black plan which the judge said fell short of what was
:26:27. > :26:32.required. It is the same people. If the public think that that is a
:26:32. > :26:37.satisfactory arrangement, the must be mad. But they are not mad. That
:26:37. > :26:47.is why 80 % of the public favour and a -- favour an independent
:26:47. > :26:52.
:26:52. > :26:57.regulator. They is no difference. John Whittingdale. They is no
:26:57. > :27:03.difference. Everybody agrees there needs to be an independent body to
:27:03. > :27:06.regulate the press. That is what Lord Leveson and we are proposing.
:27:06. > :27:12.The passing of legislation is only necessary if the press demonstrate
:27:12. > :27:19.that they will not accept the rulings of that body. It the press
:27:19. > :27:23.do not go along with it, there may need to be legislation. Why would
:27:23. > :27:29.we give them another chance to show that they would fail to do that,
:27:29. > :27:34.letting down the victims of all these abuses? It is favouring the
:27:34. > :27:37.press barons and big proprietors. Governments and Prime Ministers
:27:37. > :27:42.opting out have always chosen them over the people and victims of
:27:42. > :27:48.crime. It is very close to disgraceful, the Prime Minister's
:27:48. > :27:53.position on this. Let's look at what is likely to happen. Back to
:27:53. > :27:57.John Whittingdale. We're now going to have a fight in the House of
:27:57. > :28:02.Commons were most MPs, certainly those that I have seen on the
:28:02. > :28:07.papers, or on Hugh Grant's side rather than on the side of the
:28:07. > :28:13.Prime Minister? As people have had a chance to read the details of
:28:13. > :28:17.what is proposed and think about it, more and more doubts are emerging.
:28:17. > :28:22.I was interested to see in the papers today and number of Labour
:28:22. > :28:26.MPs who are beginning to voice doubts about it. You have
:28:26. > :28:30.campaigners like Shami Chakrabarti were voicing concerns. As people
:28:31. > :28:34.think about is carefully they will realise the dangers of going down
:28:34. > :28:40.this road and they will want to try and find a way of getting the
:28:40. > :28:44.proper regulation and they all want to see. -- we all want to see.
:28:44. > :28:48.is very important to distinguish between those people who speak
:28:48. > :28:53.about freedom of speech and mean it's in theory and those who have
:28:53. > :28:58.vested interests. We all know that the Prime Minister has close
:28:58. > :29:06.friendships with a lot of people at News International. It suits his
:29:06. > :29:11.political agenda to be in bed with the big press barons. He has been
:29:11. > :29:15.Facebook friends with Elisabeth Murdoch. He's a great friend of the
:29:15. > :29:20.chief executive of News International. It is important to
:29:20. > :29:26.establish what people come from India argument. That is no crime.
:29:26. > :29:33.He has admitted it. I have spent seven years during the media
:29:34. > :29:39.committee. Of course I have met these people. You told me you were
:29:39. > :29:44.particularly good friends with him. I told you that my committee had
:29:44. > :29:54.said unanimously that he had lied to Parliament. I suspect I am not a
:29:54. > :29:58.very good friend. La its put him to one side and Return to the tactics.
:29:58. > :30:02.It has been suggested that an alternative draft bill will be put
:30:02. > :30:08.forward by Labour and the Liberal Democrats so that there will be at
:30:08. > :30:18.least one quite urgent proposal in front of the House of Commons. Is
:30:18. > :30:20.
:30:20. > :30:26.When it comes to the intricacies of drafting bills, you are talking to
:30:26. > :30:29.romantic comedy actor and not a politician. 90% of Daily Mail
:30:29. > :30:34.readers favour independent regulation backed by a statutory
:30:34. > :30:42.underpinning. Most of parliament favours it, the victim's favour it
:30:42. > :30:45.and we have hacked off petition running unbelievably fast. That is
:30:45. > :30:50.public opinion and it will be hard for the Prime Minister to fly in
:30:50. > :30:54.the face of that just to satisfy his friends in the media. Last
:30:54. > :30:59.question - in terms of how this is brought forward, will your
:30:59. > :31:04.committee be trying to get across this ahead of the inevitable
:31:04. > :31:08.parliamentary exchanges? When have the jobs of my committee is to look
:31:08. > :31:13.at the government's policy towards the media and certainly we will
:31:13. > :31:21.want to look at proposals in the Leveson report and we would like to
:31:21. > :31:25.hear from probably Hugh Grant but also other victims and people like
:31:25. > :31:33.Ofcom, this strange suggestion that somehow Ofcom should have a role in
:31:33. > :31:43.regulating the press. We have a lot of people who we would want to hear
:31:43. > :31:44.
:31:44. > :31:52.their reaction and then we can find out if it is workable.
:31:52. > :31:54.And so to the economy. Ever since the election, Ed Balls as shadow
:31:54. > :31:57.chancellor has been criticising the Coalition government for going too
:31:57. > :32:00.far too fast in its austerity programme, and his case is that
:32:00. > :32:02.Britain's poor performance has been worsened by the scale of the cuts.
:32:03. > :32:06.The Government, though, says he's never taken enough responsibility
:32:06. > :32:11.for our huge indebtedness, and that Labour would just return to the old
:32:11. > :32:16.days of splurge. Ed Balls joins me now. Do you still splurge?
:32:16. > :32:21.everybody knows we have got to get the deficit down. Two years ago
:32:21. > :32:25.George Osborne said judge me on this one thing while I get the
:32:25. > :32:29.deficit down and he is failing because this year the borrowing is
:32:29. > :32:36.going up and knock down. It is rising again because we have been
:32:36. > :32:42.in recession, because the economic plan has failed, and if you are in
:32:42. > :32:50.a hole you should stop digging. far, so familiar, if I may say so.
:32:50. > :32:55.None the less... Familiar and correct. Let me ask my question,
:32:55. > :32:59.which is that Labour has still not convinced people - look at the
:32:59. > :33:04.opinion polls - that you have a proper alternative plan to get the
:33:04. > :33:09.deficit down without the scale of the cuts this government is making.
:33:09. > :33:13.In other words that you haven't really made the hard choices and
:33:13. > :33:19.you haven't confronted the hard choices any government will have to
:33:19. > :33:25.make in 2015. It is pretty much a blank sheet on where the cuts will
:33:25. > :33:30.happen on your side. It was always going to be hard for us after 2010
:33:30. > :33:34.to turn around public opinion but in the end it is about judgment. I
:33:34. > :33:40.said to George Osborne his plan would not work and his judgment has
:33:40. > :33:44.proved to be woefully lacking. only works for you if you have an
:33:44. > :33:48.alternative plan. By would look to be debating how we can turn this
:33:48. > :33:57.economy around and he raised three things we should do - kick-start
:33:57. > :34:07.the recovery, get the jobs market moving, build homes and create jobs.
:34:07. > :34:11.Secondly, go ahead with the business investment bank, and
:34:11. > :34:15.thirdly let's do it in a fair way. The Chancellor's priority is to
:34:15. > :34:20.raise taxes for pensioners and to cut tax credits for working
:34:20. > :34:26.families but to cut the tax rate for millionaires. That is deeply
:34:26. > :34:29.unfair. I want to debate a different Labour future. Lord
:34:29. > :34:33.Heseltine was employed by this government to produce a plan for
:34:33. > :34:38.growth and quite a lot of that seems to be close to some of the
:34:38. > :34:43.things you have been talking about, in terms of more money for the
:34:43. > :34:48.regions, more house building and so on. We may well see in the coming
:34:48. > :34:54.autumn statement the sting on higher earners over their pensions
:34:54. > :34:59.so it seems to a lot of people there are areas where you could get
:35:00. > :35:06.alongside and say actually we agree with the government. It is not all
:35:06. > :35:09.tit for tat. Firstly, Lord Heseltine I think thinks the
:35:09. > :35:12.abolition of the regional development agencies and the
:35:12. > :35:17.dismantling of the infrastructure was ridiculous, but the question
:35:17. > :35:21.businesses are asking is where are the decisions on aviation, why
:35:21. > :35:25.aren't we building any more roads? The growth plant is a shambles,
:35:25. > :35:33.there was nothing there. Even the business investment bank is not
:35:33. > :35:38.happening. It is very hard funding that, that is a big problem. But if
:35:38. > :35:43.we are in a hole with no growth and borrowing rising, it is harder
:35:43. > :35:48.funding that, that is why you have got to have good jobs and growth
:35:48. > :35:54.plan and change course from the George Osborne plan. He came in and
:35:54. > :35:58.he reversed with �1.6 billion the pension tax changes before the last
:35:58. > :36:06.election to give it back to the richest people. Anything he does
:36:06. > :36:09.there is a reversal of his mistake. But there is relief coming for
:36:09. > :36:18.better-off pensioners, which is presumably something you will
:36:18. > :36:22.welcome. A There is a millionaire's tax cut to over 8000 millionaires.
:36:22. > :36:31.I know you don't want to talk about the millionaire tax cuts, but why
:36:31. > :36:35.should pensioners pay more? Why should fuel be rising in cost?
:36:35. > :36:42.Let's talk about some of the pain. Apart from any of the changes in
:36:42. > :36:47.the tax system, widespread briefing that we will get a freeze or at the
:36:47. > :36:54.near freeze to in-work benefits. Do you think the welfare system can
:36:54. > :36:59.and should take more of a squeeze at this point? But how has spending
:36:59. > :37:06.gone up in this Parliament? It is �20 billion more. It is costing
:37:06. > :37:10.more. The Work Programme has failed, long-term unemployment is going up.
:37:10. > :37:15.A let's go back to my question - are you in a favour of the squeeze
:37:15. > :37:24.on welfare? For of course, which is why it I am so frustrated it has
:37:24. > :37:33.risen by �20 billion. What sort of squeeze do you think is acceptable?
:37:33. > :37:38.I think it is on fire by, a question of choices and priorities.
:37:39. > :37:44.My question is were and how? people back to work. That is not
:37:44. > :37:53.squeezing the welfare system. course it is. It is an important
:37:53. > :37:58.effect but I and talking about directly acting on it. Unless you
:37:58. > :38:03.get people back to work... The Work Programme is failing, and then
:38:03. > :38:09.George Osborne says he will hit people at the bottom. You say to me
:38:09. > :38:14.he is in a whole, here is a shovel, why don't you start digging to?
:38:14. > :38:24.People don't understand where you will be digging because you don't
:38:24. > :38:25.
:38:25. > :38:30.give people the detail for the cuts. Build homes, get every young person
:38:30. > :38:32.back to work and say there is no choice and here are the jobs. The
:38:32. > :38:38.Work Programme should be a guaranteed to get people back into
:38:38. > :38:42.work. It is costing billions more because his plan is failing.
:38:42. > :38:47.know the trouble a lot of the bank's part in and you know that
:38:47. > :38:53.simply squeezing them more is not a long-term option. I know the banks
:38:53. > :38:57.can afford a bank bonus tax. Repeating their high youth
:38:57. > :39:02.unemployment of the 1980s is perverse. There is no growth,
:39:02. > :39:09.borrowing is up, as George Osborne the difficult questions. Maybe he
:39:09. > :39:18.will be giving more answers than you. I have given the many answers,
:39:18. > :39:20.but not always the answers you want. Well, that's the case for the
:39:20. > :39:25.political prosecution, but this week the chancellor George Osborne
:39:25. > :39:28.will be paying at least as much attention to the markets. They in
:39:28. > :39:35.turn are waiting to see whether he's still sticking by his promise
:39:35. > :39:38.to get debt falling by 2015. Much harder now, with the likelihood of
:39:38. > :39:40.no growth at all this year, and warnings of more austerity,
:39:40. > :39:43.including tax rises and spending cuts running on till 2018.
:39:43. > :39:46.Chancellor, welcome. How optimistic are you there you are able to
:39:46. > :39:50.fulfil the fiscal promises you made in 2010? I made a promise that
:39:50. > :39:55.Britain would be seen as a credible place to invest and we are seen as
:39:55. > :40:02.a credible place to invest. With respect, the promise was that you
:40:02. > :40:08.would get the share of debt falling by 2015 - can you do that? We have
:40:08. > :40:12.two targets, to get it falling by 2015/16, and also to balance the
:40:12. > :40:18.current budget. There will be an independent assessment of those
:40:18. > :40:21.targets on Wednesday. It would be unfair and self-defeating in having
:40:21. > :40:28.created this constitutional innovation for me to come on the
:40:28. > :40:32.television a few days earlier and give their verdict. Or I was asking
:40:32. > :40:38.was how optimistic are you feeling about it? It is clearly taking
:40:38. > :40:42.longer to deal with Britain's debt and recover from the financial
:40:42. > :40:47.crisis than anyone would have hoped but we have made real progress, the
:40:47. > :40:52.deficit is down by a quarter, there are a million more jobs in the
:40:52. > :40:54.private sector and to go back to the borrowing and the debt and the
:40:54. > :41:00.spending that Ed Balls represents would be a complete disaster for
:41:00. > :41:05.this country. Yet we will probably have zero growth this year, and if
:41:05. > :41:10.you look at the league table in the G20 we are pretty close to the
:41:10. > :41:15.bottom of the pile, not success by anybody's standards. I don't accept
:41:15. > :41:20.that. The eurozone is in recession and is one of our biggest trading
:41:20. > :41:26.partners. China, Brazil, other countries are having problems. In
:41:26. > :41:31.Britain we have had growth. The latest GDP numbers showed growth,
:41:31. > :41:36.but if you are telling me it is a tough environment out there, of
:41:36. > :41:40.course I would wish it was growing, but of course the question is how
:41:40. > :41:44.to deliver that and I think undermining the credibility of the
:41:44. > :41:48.deficit plan, going back on commitment to deal with debts would
:41:48. > :41:53.be a complete catastrophe for Britain and put us into the place
:41:53. > :41:57.where some European countries are at the moment. He made political
:41:57. > :42:00.choices at the beginning about how to handle this and I'm just saying
:42:00. > :42:04.that other countries like the United States made different
:42:04. > :42:09.choices, like many of the northern European countries, and they have
:42:09. > :42:18.done better than we have done. completely agree that Germany has
:42:18. > :42:22.done better than we have done. America. Germany has done better be
:42:22. > :42:25.-- because they spent the last decade connecting themselves to
:42:25. > :42:31.economies like China and India making sure their economy was
:42:31. > :42:36.balanced and not overly dependent on finance. They invested in
:42:36. > :42:41.education like we should have done. I am clearing that mess, it can't
:42:41. > :42:44.be done overnight. The debate in the US is very similar about how to
:42:44. > :42:50.get on top of the deficit in a measured way, and that is precisely
:42:50. > :42:57.the debate we will have in US politics over the next few weeks.
:42:57. > :43:01.Let's look at this in the way that to say that if the state pulled
:43:02. > :43:06.back the private sector would push in and create the jobs, which is
:43:06. > :43:09.what you said when you first came in, but that has not happened at
:43:09. > :43:18.anything like the scale you hope to partly because of the economy and
:43:18. > :43:21.the rest of it. does that mean you have to spend more time and effort
:43:21. > :43:27.looking at growth, major infrastructure spending, bringing
:43:27. > :43:34.that forward? Firstly we have created jobs in this economy, more
:43:34. > :43:40.than was forecast by our independent forecaster. We have
:43:40. > :43:46.more than compensated... Actually the total number of ours has gone
:43:46. > :43:50.up. That has more than compensated for the inevitable loss of jobs in
:43:50. > :43:54.a public sector the country can no longer afford so actually
:43:54. > :44:04.employment is that a record high it in our country so there has been a
:44:04. > :44:04.
:44:04. > :44:09.very good story on jobs. There have been small parts of the economy
:44:09. > :44:14.that has done all right, but the big idea on growth clearly hasn't
:44:14. > :44:19.worked. In the last two years we have had an oil price shock, the
:44:19. > :44:24.eurozone crisis, you know we don't operate in a vacuum. Unless Britain
:44:24. > :44:28.was able to demonstrate we had a real plan to deal with the step we
:44:29. > :44:33.were being a real crisis. We have also got to be in a competitive for
:44:33. > :44:38.place, winning the global race, creating the jobs of the future,
:44:38. > :44:42.and everything I'm doing - making business tax competitive, reforming
:44:42. > :44:47.schools and welfare, reforming planning laws - all of these things
:44:47. > :44:50.are designed to make sure that not only do we see growth, but also our
:44:50. > :44:55.children have the opportunities that we have had to pursue
:44:55. > :45:00.fulfilling Korea's and be part of businesses that are successful in
:45:00. > :45:06.the world. The global race is another big challenge for Britain.
:45:06. > :45:12.My question is do you not need to have a new urgent plan for growth?
:45:12. > :45:16.Bring forward infrastructure projects? Bring forward more
:45:16. > :45:21.housebuilding? I agree, we have got to build more homes which means
:45:21. > :45:24.changing the planning laws, which we are doing, and at the same time
:45:24. > :45:30.underwriting the purchase and the construction of homes. We have got
:45:30. > :45:34.to find more infrastructure, roads and rail, we are doing that and
:45:34. > :45:38.using the government's low-interest rates to help construct those
:45:38. > :45:42.projects. We have got to reform schools, we are transforming an
:45:42. > :45:47.education system that does not equip enough children to succeed in
:45:47. > :45:53.the future. We have got to change the welfare system and Iain Duncan
:45:53. > :45:59.Smith is doing that. I think we are making progress and I do say that
:45:59. > :46:09.if we are making this progress, to turn back now and go back to the
:46:09. > :46:09.
:46:09. > :46:14.problems of the past would be a I am interested in how worried you
:46:14. > :46:19.are about the lack of growth in the economy? Of course I want to see
:46:19. > :46:24.more growth. I see our largest partners in the trading zone in
:46:24. > :46:31.recession. We have got to expand air trade with the places that are
:46:31. > :46:35.growing in the world, like China and India. Help small companies?
:46:35. > :46:40.There will be specific help for small companies. There are lots of
:46:40. > :46:45.things to do, but underpinning it all as a confidence in this
:46:45. > :46:49.country's ability to pay its way in the world. At the time of the party
:46:49. > :46:53.conference season, the Liberal- Democrats ate at if it were going
:46:54. > :47:00.to be any further freezes to the welfare budget, the rich would have
:47:00. > :47:04.to pay. You have said a similar thing. Have you strut the bargain
:47:04. > :47:10.that is going to require higher taxes of some kind on will the
:47:10. > :47:15.people, and a freeze or something like a freeze for or the welfare
:47:15. > :47:22.state? I have would not characterise it as a bargain. It
:47:22. > :47:29.was myself as Shadow Chancellor who said, we are all in his together.
:47:29. > :47:34.Back to the question... In every single one of my budgets, the rich
:47:34. > :47:39.pay more than they ever did under a Labour government. Do you regret
:47:39. > :47:43.cutting the income tax top rate? is completely phoney as a country
:47:43. > :47:49.to think you are taxing the rich with having a top tax rate that
:47:49. > :47:55.people do not pay. The latest figures show that it cost us �7
:47:55. > :48:01.billion in lost tax revenue. I have increased taxes on property, stamp
:48:01. > :48:06.duty, I have restricted the reliefs you can pay. I am very clear...
:48:06. > :48:13.What about more of that? Going forward, we will deal with this
:48:13. > :48:17.debt is it. It will take longer. That means difficult decisions. The
:48:17. > :48:24.rich have to bear their fair share. That means more than their pain at
:48:24. > :48:30.the moment? Yes. The mansion tax business, it seems it will not be
:48:30. > :48:35.around? Be is not going to be a mansion tax. We make that clear.
:48:35. > :48:38.There is another conception of fairness, the fairness for the
:48:38. > :48:44.individual who goes out to work when their next door neighbour is
:48:44. > :48:49.living a life on benefits. We're going to tackle welfare bills. That
:48:49. > :48:52.is the Conservative approach to fairness. Make the rich pay, but
:48:52. > :48:58.make sure you are tackling the welfare system which is deeply
:48:58. > :49:05.unfair. Are you going for an absolute freezer DU accept that is
:49:05. > :49:13.too harsh? We have already made the �18 billion worth of savings. We
:49:13. > :49:18.are determined to reform welfare to make sure that work always pays. It
:49:18. > :49:24.has to be worth going out to get a job. Fundamentally that is not
:49:24. > :49:29.about creating a fears society but a more competitive society. With
:49:30. > :49:35.all this discussion of fairness, lots of fork is has come on big
:49:35. > :49:40.multinational companies, Google, Amazon, Starbucks, simply not
:49:40. > :49:47.paying their fair share. This is a massive issue for this government?
:49:47. > :49:53.Are due taking a urgent steps to close those loopholes? You can
:49:53. > :49:59.enforce the taxes we have got. I will announce tomorrow extra
:49:59. > :50:01.investment. The part of the Inland Revenue that tackles this. Secondly,
:50:01. > :50:06.you can make sure that internationally we have the right
:50:06. > :50:11.rules. Britain has been working with Germany and France to get
:50:11. > :50:17.those rules on the international table. It will be a big priority
:50:17. > :50:22.for the G8 which we hosts next year. But you cannot tackle this but
:50:22. > :50:31.rising Britain out of the world economy. We cannot make Britain
:50:31. > :50:41.less competitive. If you look at star Boxer Amazon, they are not
:50:41. > :50:44.
:50:44. > :50:48.paying their corporate taxes. -- Starbucks or Amazon. Lots of their
:50:48. > :50:55.competitors, small businesses, are paying their taxes. There is
:50:55. > :50:59.growing fury about us. I understand the anger of people when they see
:50:59. > :51:03.companies apparently not paying their fair share of taxes. We have
:51:03. > :51:07.got to make sure they pay their fair share but we have also got to
:51:07. > :51:12.make sure that the UK does not do things which drives businesses out
:51:12. > :51:17.of the UK. We have got to have their taxes properly enforced and
:51:17. > :51:27.an international system which we will take the lead in. You should
:51:27. > :51:27.
:51:27. > :51:31.not be able to hide profits in low- tax havens. What was going to be a
:51:31. > :51:37.five year plan is now more like is giving you plan at best? It is
:51:37. > :51:42.taking longer to deal with our debt but we're making progress. To turn
:51:42. > :51:45.back now would be a complete disaster. Some people like Ed Balls
:51:45. > :51:49.say we should be borrowing more but that would take us back to the
:51:49. > :51:55.problems that he created in the first place. Other people say we
:51:55. > :51:59.would cut faster. -- we should cut faster. I do not agree with them
:51:59. > :52:02.either. The Governor of the Bank of England has said we have got the
:52:02. > :52:09.right plan. Now over to Naga for the news
:52:09. > :52:13.headlines. The Chancellor has told his programme that he will continue
:52:13. > :52:19.with his plans to bring down the deficit. Mr Osborne said turning
:52:19. > :52:24.back now would be a disaster. He insisted that the change in policy
:52:24. > :52:27.would see interest rates rise and Britain plunged deeper into debt.
:52:27. > :52:32.The Shadow Chancellor Ed Balls called on the government to change
:52:32. > :52:35.course. He said it needed a better plan for jobs and growth. He said
:52:35. > :52:38.the tax on bank bonuses should be re-instated, and money from the
:52:38. > :52:42.sale of mobile phone licences used to fund house-building. A major
:52:42. > :52:48.road tunnel has trap -- has collapsed in Japan, trapping
:52:48. > :52:53.several people and killing others. Large sections of concrete fell in
:52:53. > :52:56.the Sasago tunnel which is 50 miles west of Tokyo. The search and
:52:56. > :52:58.rescue operation has been suspended because of fears of another
:52:58. > :53:01.collapse. Campaigners for press regulation
:53:01. > :53:04.have called for Lord Leveson's report, including new legislation,
:53:04. > :53:07.to be implemented in full. Speaking on this programme, the actor Hugh
:53:07. > :53:10.Grant said the public were behind the plans. But the head of the
:53:10. > :53:15.House of Commons Culture Committee John Whittingdale told us he wasn't
:53:15. > :53:19.so sure. As people come to think about is carefully, they will
:53:19. > :53:22.realise the dangers of going down this road and they will want to try
:53:23. > :53:32.and find a way of getting the proper regulation we all want to
:53:32. > :53:38.see without Parliament having to pass laws. That is all for now.
:53:38. > :53:42.The Chancellor and Shadow Chancellor are both still here.
:53:42. > :53:47.Good morning. We have not spoken about the Leveson fall-out. You
:53:47. > :53:51.have a slightly different view of the relationship with the Liberal
:53:51. > :53:56.Democrats on this subject? Is in the legislation which you will be
:53:56. > :54:01.able to follow in the House of Commons? I hope so and I hope we
:54:01. > :54:06.can get to the consensus. The Prime Ministers said at an las Leveson
:54:06. > :54:12.was bonkers we should do this. Am sceptical about imposing statutory
:54:12. > :54:17.regulation and the press, but that is not what Leveson did. There is
:54:17. > :54:22.an underpinning in statute. I think that is reasonable. It is what the
:54:22. > :54:29.victims want and what many people in Parliament want. Do you have the
:54:29. > :54:34.numbers to get that through? will see. This requires the Prime
:54:34. > :54:41.Minister to lead. George Osborne, the do not agree with that aspect
:54:41. > :54:46.of the lad has an inquiry? Can you stop this happening in Parliament?
:54:46. > :54:50.We all want the Leveson principles implemented. It is independent
:54:50. > :54:55.regulation and the press must deliver that knife. Shami
:54:55. > :55:00.Chakrabarti spoke very powerfully on the risks of legislation. So it
:55:00. > :55:05.is not going to happen? Let's try and carry on speaking on a cross-
:55:05. > :55:10.party basis. We should not be setting deadlines before Christmas.
:55:10. > :55:15.This is a very complicated issue and we have got to get it right.
:55:15. > :55:18.Thank you very much. That is all we have got time for.
:55:18. > :55:22.Now Jools Holland spent much of the summer performing at festivals and
:55:22. > :55:25.other events in the UK and he has been appearing on the BBC twice a
:55:25. > :55:28.week with his splendid music show Later. For his latest album, The
:55:28. > :55:32.Golden Age of Song, out tomorrow, he has been recording some tracks
:55:32. > :55:37.with a number of guest artists and he is here this morning with one of
:55:37. > :55:43.his collaborators, Rumer, no stranger to this show. Good morning.
:55:43. > :55:49.Tell us what you're going to be singing? I am going to be singing
:55:49. > :55:53.Accentuate The Positive. It is a cold winter. It has been a good
:55:53. > :56:00.summer for you? It has been lovely and everyone will be accentuating
:56:00. > :56:10.the positive. It was my great and's birthday the last time I was on.
:56:10. > :56:15.
:56:15. > :56:20.She is 102 today. -- my great aunt's. This is the golden age of
:56:20. > :56:26.song. We are in it now. It is the greatest songs of the 20th and 21st
:56:26. > :56:29.century. That's almost it for today. We are
:56:29. > :56:31.back next Sunday morning for our penultimate show of 2012, with an
:56:31. > :56:35.array of key politicians, plus an iconic musical guest. Join us
:56:35. > :56:45.please, Sunday at nine. But for now it is Rumer, Jools, the big band
:56:45. > :57:02.
:57:02. > :57:08.# You've got to accentuate the positive. # Eliminate the negative.
:57:09. > :57:14.# And latch on to the affirmative. # Don't mess with Mr In-Between. #
:57:14. > :57:19.You've got to spread joy up to the maximum. # And bring gloom down to
:57:20. > :57:28.the minimum. # And have faith or pandemonium is liable to walk upon
:57:28. > :57:34.the scene. # To illustrate my last remark. # Jonah in the whale. #
:57:34. > :57:43.Noah in the ark. # What did they do just when everything looked so
:57:43. > :57:49.dark? # Man, they said, we'd better accentuate the positive. # And
:57:49. > :57:59.eliminate the negative. # And latch on to the affirmative. # Don't mess
:57:59. > :58:24.