09/12/2012

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:00:39. > :00:45.A good morning. It is that twinkly time, we blockbuster films and

:00:45. > :00:50.crammed TV schedules almost upon us. Hobbit-mania this year, dragons,

:00:50. > :00:53.elves and no doubt that cartoon film, the Snowman on the telly. But

:00:53. > :00:59.over the next few days, we have been told to expect the Beast from

:00:59. > :01:04.the East. And yes, it is in 3-D, but on the other hand, it is real,

:01:04. > :01:09.a blast of icy wind and ferocious snow from Siberia which will push

:01:09. > :01:13.night temperatures as low as -15, so get ready. Blown in from nearer

:01:13. > :01:17.than Siberia, this morning's paper reviewers are the former Labour

:01:17. > :01:20.minister Charlie Falconer, with strong views on reforming the press,

:01:20. > :01:26.and Sarah Sands, editor of the Evening Standard.

:01:26. > :01:29.Now, if only the weather was all we had to worry about. But the Autumn

:01:29. > :01:33.Statement has jolted everybody into concentrating on the horribly weak

:01:33. > :01:37.condition of our economy. This morning, the Business Secretary is

:01:37. > :01:41.contemplating a double-dip recession. There were awful figures

:01:41. > :01:46.from industry and a huge political row is brewing over benefits cuts.

:01:46. > :01:50.Business as usual, then, as we stare ahead for another few years

:01:50. > :01:54.of austerity, and a man who will be wielding the hatchet, the Chief

:01:54. > :01:58.Secretary to the Treasury, Danny Alexander. Can public services like

:01:58. > :02:02.the NHS still be protected? Speaking of the health service, MPs

:02:02. > :02:06.were stunned this week when the Labour MP Ann Clwyd described in

:02:06. > :02:11.harrowing terms the poor hospital care her husband received before he

:02:11. > :02:14.died. She is in our Cardiff studio to talk to us about her experience.

:02:14. > :02:19.We will hear from the chief executive of the Royal College of

:02:19. > :02:27.Nursing about the pressures facing NHS staff. On a lighter note,

:02:27. > :02:32.remember this? 15 years since they hit the charts, a new musical with

:02:32. > :02:36.the songs of the Spice Girls is set to open in London's West End. I

:02:36. > :02:40.talked to Ginger Spice, Geri Halliwell, about what inspired it

:02:40. > :02:44.and how it is going for girl power these days. And playing us out at

:02:45. > :02:50.this morning, a bit of manpower, combining the talents of America

:02:50. > :02:56.and Britain, we have State Of The Union.

:02:56. > :03:00.# Look at the two of us, in sympathy, sometimes ecstasy.

:03:00. > :03:03.First, over to Naga Munchetty for the headlines.

:03:03. > :03:08.Australian police say they have been contacted by British officers

:03:08. > :03:12.with a view to speaking to the two DJs who made a hoax call to the

:03:12. > :03:16.hospital treating the Duchess of Cambridge. Mel Greig and Michael

:03:16. > :03:20.Christian pretended to be members of the Royal Family. The nurse who

:03:20. > :03:23.answered the call, Jacintha Saldanha, was later found dead.

:03:23. > :03:28.Prince William was at a charity event last night without his wife

:03:28. > :03:32.at his side. He joked that her morning sickness was so bad that it

:03:32. > :03:34.should be called all day and all night sickness. It was his first

:03:35. > :03:40.appearance in public since the couple issued a statement saying

:03:40. > :03:43.they were saddened by the death of Jacintha Saldanha. The two DJs who

:03:43. > :03:46.made the hoax call have kept out of the spotlight since shortly after

:03:46. > :03:51.the broadcast, when they called it one of their greatest spanks ever.

:03:51. > :03:54.The radio station said it was concerned for their welfare. They

:03:54. > :03:57.are being counselled by a psychologist paid for by the

:03:58. > :04:02.station. Police in London will have to prepare a report for the crime

:04:02. > :04:07.on the death of the nurse. New South Wales Police confirmed that

:04:07. > :04:12.they had been contacted by their police in the UK about the

:04:12. > :04:19.possibility of interviewing the two DJs. The King Edward VII hospital

:04:19. > :04:21.has sent a letter to the radio station that broadcasts the call.

:04:22. > :04:26.For their chairman's said it was foolish of the presenters to

:04:26. > :04:28.consider trying to live their way through to the patience. Then to

:04:28. > :04:33.discover that the call had been pre-recorded and the decision to

:04:33. > :04:37.transmit approved by a management was appalling. He said the

:04:37. > :04:41.consequences of their call had been tragic beyond words. In Australia,

:04:41. > :04:45.some lump the newspaper's reporting on the core by Today FM have been

:04:45. > :04:50.talking about the British media whipping up a predictable frenzy.

:04:50. > :04:53.One editorial said the two Australian presenters had not

:04:53. > :04:58.killed the Britishness. Another columnist said there had been no

:04:58. > :05:01.malice in the core. A campaign group backing same-sex marriage has

:05:01. > :05:05.been launched by senior Conservative politicians.

:05:05. > :05:08.The group, which includes education Secretary Michael Gove, said

:05:08. > :05:12.religious bodies should be able to conduct gay marriages, but should

:05:12. > :05:16.not be compelled to do so. Plans to legalise same-sex marriage

:05:16. > :05:20.announced by David Cameron have divided the Conservative Party.

:05:20. > :05:25.A Egypt's new President appears to have backed down on controversial

:05:25. > :05:28.plans that would have expanded his powers. Mohammed Morsi announced

:05:28. > :05:32.the climbdown following days of street protests. His critics have

:05:32. > :05:40.accused him of acting like a dictator, but Mr Morsi says he is

:05:40. > :05:43.safeguarding the revolution that swept Hosni Mubarak from power.

:05:43. > :05:48.The decree that has divided Egypt and caused one of its worst waves

:05:48. > :05:51.of violence since the start of the revolution has been revoked.

:05:51. > :05:55.President Mohammed Morsi annulled the constitutional edict that gave

:05:55. > :05:59.him sweeping powers and which gained him the titles of a dictator

:05:59. > :06:03.and Faro among thousands of protesters. The announcement came

:06:03. > :06:08.after several hours of talks between the president, vice-

:06:08. > :06:13.president and a number off political figures in Egypt. This is

:06:13. > :06:17.a major compromise on Mohammed Morsi's Park and an expected move -

:06:17. > :06:21.- an unexpected move. Last Thursday, the president showed no willingness

:06:21. > :06:27.to give up the absolute powers he gathered himself. But tonight in a

:06:27. > :06:31.dramatic U-turn, he has decided to give those powers up. It seems the

:06:31. > :06:35.opposition have only won half the battle. The president did not budge

:06:35. > :06:39.on the other sticky issue, the referendum on the controversial

:06:39. > :06:43.draft constitution. In the press conference, it was announced that a

:06:43. > :06:47.vote on the charter will go ahead as planned on December 15th. The

:06:47. > :06:52.main opposition figures heading the National Salvation Front had

:06:52. > :06:55.boycotted the meeting. Their reaction is key to how events will

:06:55. > :06:59.shape up politically and on the streets. Since the announcement of

:06:59. > :07:03.the decree, Egypt has been polarised and has plunged into a

:07:03. > :07:10.new wave of violence. It is yet to be seen whether this annulment will

:07:10. > :07:13.defuse tensions on a judge's volatile streets.

:07:13. > :07:18.The former Italian prime minister Silvio Berlusconi has confirmed

:07:18. > :07:23.that he will run for office again next year. The country's current

:07:23. > :07:26.Prime Minister Mario Monti says he plans to resign after Mr

:07:26. > :07:30.Berlusconi's party which are its support from the Government, saying

:07:30. > :07:34.Mr Monti's austerity policies have harmed Italy. Mr Berlusconi is a

:07:34. > :07:38.controversial figure who was convicted of tax fraud in October.

:07:38. > :07:42.England's cricketers have beaten India by seven wickets this morning

:07:42. > :07:46.to take a 2-1 lead in the four match series. India managed to add

:07:46. > :07:50.just eight runs to their overnight total before James Anderson bold

:07:50. > :07:54.Pragyan Ojha. That meant England were left with a small target of 41

:07:54. > :08:02.to win the match. They only have to avoid defeat in the final Test to

:08:02. > :08:12.become the first visiting team to win a series in India since 2004.

:08:12. > :08:16.

:08:16. > :08:23.More headlines before 10 o'clock. Now to the front pages. That story

:08:23. > :08:26.about the nurse who killed herself is on a lot of the front pages.

:08:26. > :08:30.There is a different line in the Sunday People tobacco and the

:08:30. > :08:37.Sunday Telegraph, saying the hoax DJs in Australia Arnaud on suicide

:08:37. > :08:43.watch. The Mail on Sunday has a story about a committee in the

:08:43. > :08:49.House of Commons suggesting that the legalisation of cannabis might

:08:49. > :08:54.have to come. The And the Independent on Sunday says the real

:08:54. > :08:58.cost of a degree these days for students are starting now is

:08:58. > :09:08.climbing to �100,000, which must make people think twice. Finally,

:09:08. > :09:14.

:09:14. > :09:20.quite a lot of political war on the front pages. We will be talking

:09:20. > :09:24.about a lot of these stories on the programme. Sarah Sands and Charlie

:09:24. > :09:31.Falconer, welcome. Sarah, we start with the biggest story, the hoax

:09:31. > :09:39.call and a suicide. This is the front of the Sunday Express, which

:09:39. > :09:43.has details about the nurse's last calls to her family. She did not

:09:43. > :09:52.mention any of this, which suggests there was absolute isolation and

:09:52. > :09:58.humiliation. But the stories raise the issue about what you do about

:09:58. > :10:02.human collateral damage. We will talk about that and Leveson later,

:10:02. > :10:07.but this is something that arises. This woman was a night nurse,

:10:07. > :10:12.minding her own business, and got caught up in this storm. And of

:10:12. > :10:17.course, the Australian presenters did not intend any of this,

:10:17. > :10:22.although it does seem foolish to have gone through a hospital of all

:10:22. > :10:30.places. It is one thing to bring down and a powerful and pompous,

:10:30. > :10:36.but not hospitals. Humiliation was the big headline on the Sunday

:10:36. > :10:41.Telegraph. These two nurses, without warning, found themselves,

:10:41. > :10:47.right across the world, being made a total fool of. It is not hard to

:10:47. > :10:51.imagine that that would be an awful thing to happen. Sarah is right.

:10:51. > :10:57.The disc jockeys in Australia would never have intended or envisaged

:10:57. > :11:02.that this would happen. But thinking about the consequences on

:11:02. > :11:07.human beings if this were to happen is really important. The Sun on

:11:07. > :11:11.Sunday has a very good editorial which quotes the general manager of

:11:11. > :11:21.the radio station saying "these disc jockeys are not machines, they

:11:21. > :11:21.

:11:21. > :11:26.are human beings". But so are the nurses. Putting the story above

:11:26. > :11:33.everything means you do not focus on what Sarah chillingly described

:11:33. > :11:38.as human collateral damage. Do we have any sympathy for the two DJs?

:11:38. > :11:47.Only in that it was not intended. They are thoughtless and young and

:11:47. > :11:53.it seemed funny at the time. There are other stories we would like to

:11:53. > :11:56.get through. Britain's invisible army of homeless. This is an

:11:56. > :12:00.article in the Independent on Sunday based on a Panorama

:12:00. > :12:05.programme that goes out on Thursday. That programme will say there are

:12:05. > :12:12.now 50% more families living in bed and breakfasts than previously. We

:12:12. > :12:15.focus on homeless people at Christmas time, but, I know because

:12:15. > :12:20.I am involved in a housing association, the number of people

:12:20. > :12:23.with nowhere to live with families, and the numbers of places to house

:12:23. > :12:28.them, the numbers of people are going up and the numbers of places

:12:28. > :12:34.are going down. We know from our own society what the consequences

:12:34. > :12:41.of putting families in bed and breakfasts are. It goes closely

:12:41. > :12:45.with a story like this. Pay-day loan firm earns �615 million in

:12:45. > :12:49.five years and pays no tax. The pay-day loan firm is making money

:12:49. > :12:53.by making small loans on rates of interest to families who can't

:12:53. > :12:57.afford to keep going until their next pay day, and they are paying

:12:57. > :13:05.no tax. Is it surprising that there is not enough money to pay for the

:13:05. > :13:09.homeless? My next story is from the Sunday Times. Senior Tories fight

:13:09. > :13:17.for gay marriage in church. It is about the schism in the Tory party

:13:17. > :13:23.between the Social Liberals, led by Michael Gove and Boris Johnson, for

:13:23. > :13:28.the right to gay marriage in church. Then you have the other side, who

:13:28. > :13:38.say this is modernisation for its own sake. It is a slightly odd

:13:38. > :13:39.

:13:39. > :13:44.argument that it is a distraction. It is a way of dismissing anything.

:13:44. > :13:48.I think the Prime Minister is really picking up on the Lyndon

:13:48. > :13:58.Johnson dictum that you are in office for something that means

:13:58. > :13:58.

:13:58. > :14:03.something. But I think it will be a tough fight. It throws a

:14:03. > :14:06.searchlight on the Tory Party's attitudes to the world generally.

:14:06. > :14:09.The political parties, it is important that you do try to

:14:09. > :14:12.reflect the mood of the time. If you are fighting about something

:14:12. > :14:17.that appears to be looking backwards rather than forwards,

:14:17. > :14:25.that is defining of the political party. None of them wanted to talk

:14:25. > :14:31.about this. Another story, sex equality plan for Lords. We know

:14:31. > :14:36.that when Kate Middleton has her baby, whether it is a girl or boy,

:14:36. > :14:40.it will be the heir to the heir to the throne. We know there is no

:14:40. > :14:46.sexual bias in relation to that. But in the Lords, we still have

:14:46. > :14:52.hereditary peers, and if one of them dies, the hereditaries have

:14:52. > :14:56.elect a replacement. And only boys can succeed to hereditary peerage.

:14:56. > :15:01.If we are making the change for the monarch, it is time we made the

:15:01. > :15:05.change for hereditary peers. The political world decided not to go

:15:05. > :15:14.ahead with Lords reform and making it more democratic, but we could at

:15:14. > :15:17.least make it more woman-friendly. I have chosen the Michael Gove wore

:15:17. > :15:22.over pay for teachers, partly because the language is interesting.

:15:22. > :15:26.In all other parts of government, everything has to be so compromised

:15:26. > :15:30.and reconciling what the coalition want. But in this, there is no

:15:30. > :15:35.doubt that Michael Gove is talking about his department being on a war

:15:35. > :15:45.footing, and this is a battle that has to be won. He is really going

:15:45. > :15:48.

:15:48. > :15:54.for it. He is being radical. And he is allowed today. At the end of it,

:15:54. > :15:59.if there is one reform that you see that has really changed a basic

:15:59. > :16:03.part of Britain, it will be education. But do you make it

:16:03. > :16:08.easier or less easy to introduce that reform by saying to those who

:16:08. > :16:13.have to deliver it on the ground, I am at war with you? That would make

:16:13. > :16:23.one feel... Be it is a statement. But if he is at war with me, maybe

:16:23. > :16:25.

:16:25. > :16:35.I would not agree with what he is Could you have someone who sound

:16:35. > :16:42.like a Scot as who is in Surrey... Gove's Scottish accent. The fact he

:16:42. > :16:48.comes from Aberdeen seems to be plotting with him coming to leader

:16:48. > :16:58.of the party. Any more stories? Just one more. It is two stories.

:16:58. > :17:04.One fear of the unknown in Damascus and Egyptian President annuals

:17:04. > :17:09.decree. We saw it on the news. The President, who wants to rule by

:17:09. > :17:15.decree. What people want is law. Law is what makes you feel safe

:17:15. > :17:20.against the power of whether it be a dictator President or an army.

:17:20. > :17:26.You have another story. I have a quick one, which I will refer

:17:26. > :17:34.straight to, which is are lawyers paid too much? We have in the Sun

:17:34. > :17:38.six fat cat lawyers get �500,000 a year.

:17:38. > :17:43.Lawyers are incredibly important to make sure people don't get

:17:43. > :17:50.oppressed. People whose babies are taken away from them by the local

:17:50. > :17:54.authority spend months trying to find lawyers. It is hardly

:17:54. > :18:00.imaginable to imagine something more important.

:18:00. > :18:07.There is a Select Committee who will produce a hard Hytheing report

:18:07. > :18:14.on drugs - is this something which is starting to pop up in general?

:18:14. > :18:18.No-one wants people to take illegal drugs or get out of their minds on

:18:18. > :18:21.drink or drugs hafplt is the answer? I don't know. They -- what

:18:21. > :18:26.is the answer? I don't know. What they suggest is a royal

:18:26. > :18:31.committee - that is not a bad idea. Last week the papers were full of

:18:31. > :18:36.the Leveson Inquiry. A lot is going on behind the scenes. Sarah, as a

:18:36. > :18:40.newspaper editor, not wearing any shackles so far, what has been

:18:40. > :18:46.going on? This is the week when the newspaper industry is supposed to

:18:46. > :18:51.come up with its own answer to Leveson? We've had two meetings

:18:51. > :19:01.along the editors. It's now going through a document to see really

:19:01. > :19:02.

:19:02. > :19:06.how far we can go in agreeing with everything that Leveson said. We

:19:06. > :19:09.agree with the principals, know we have to put our house in order. It

:19:09. > :19:13.is a question of going through some technical process in the language

:19:14. > :19:19.to make sure there are not any unintended consequences. What seems

:19:19. > :19:22.to me to be a difficult thing is how you set up a genuinely

:19:22. > :19:31.independent body, not connected to the newspaper industry, not

:19:31. > :19:37.connected to the House of Commons or the politics and choose them.

:19:37. > :19:41.Have you cracked that? We are waiting for Oliver Letwin's

:19:41. > :19:46.qualifier. Who would not have the bias - who would everyone want to

:19:46. > :19:51.work with? You sort of end one the Queen.

:19:51. > :19:59.That is where we have the royal charter. I think everybody trusts

:19:59. > :20:02.the Queen. I would agree with that. We have talked across the political

:20:02. > :20:06.spectrum. It is encouraging to hear what Sarah is saying.

:20:06. > :20:13.What Sarah said is leave it to the press to produce a body which

:20:13. > :20:18.complys with the Leveson principals, but have an independent verifyer,

:20:18. > :20:21.which he envisages Parliament would create whose job is to say what the

:20:21. > :20:25.press comes up with meets the principals he has laid down. What

:20:25. > :20:34.we have been doing is crafting a bill, which we hope will reflect

:20:34. > :20:42.what Leveson remepbldzed, leaving it -- recommended, leaving it to

:20:42. > :20:45.the press. With a stottory back- stop? -- statutory back-stop?

:20:45. > :20:50.are not trying to produce any regulation direct either as a back-

:20:50. > :20:53.stop or not. What we will do, as soon as we can, I cannot tell you

:20:53. > :20:58.when, is publish the bill, so people can see what we think

:20:58. > :21:02.Leveson wanted the parliamentarians to do. Because what Sarah is

:21:02. > :21:07.describing is what Leveson wanted the press to do. If we can get the

:21:07. > :21:12.two together, so the press produce the body that makes sure the

:21:12. > :21:17.McCanns are never torn to pieces again and Parliament produces a

:21:17. > :21:21.body which says, have they done it, yes or no - if it is no, then

:21:21. > :21:24.another stage. Which is sometimes newspaper editors are fearful about.

:21:24. > :21:27.Do you have the votes in the House of Commons and the House of Lords

:21:27. > :21:31.for that measure? I don't know whether we have the votes if you

:21:31. > :21:36.produce the bill, then that provides a catalyst around which

:21:36. > :21:40.people can see the rather measured proposals that Leveson was making.

:21:40. > :21:46.Can I ask you about one thing floated yesterday, the notion there

:21:46. > :21:53.could be a Royal Charter. The BBC has one. It would be for a press

:21:53. > :21:58.regulator? I don't know - if we have a Royal Charter, then the

:21:58. > :22:03.terms have to be agreed by the Privy Council, by ministers. I

:22:03. > :22:07.don't know for the press body... I am keen to find out what has been

:22:07. > :22:11.said, so one can really consider it. All right, thank you to both of you

:22:11. > :22:14.very much indeed for that. Four inches of snow over much of Britain

:22:15. > :22:24.is coming up this week. We are told - that is the beast from the East,

:22:25. > :22:33.

:22:33. > :22:37.I mentioned earlier on. With a full We have a cold snap on the way, for

:22:37. > :22:42.sure. High pressure builds from the UK, it will bring in cold weather.

:22:42. > :22:46.Dry, but chilly days and nights to come. The question comes though

:22:46. > :22:55.from Wednesday onwards, into Thursday, as the high weakens. That

:22:55. > :23:00.is when you heard the reference to the Beast from the East moving in.

:23:00. > :23:04.It's all to play for really in the next few days. That forecast will

:23:04. > :23:08.keep evolving. It is worth staying tuned. For the next few days fine

:23:09. > :23:12.weather, but increasingly cold. Today, after a milder start, the

:23:12. > :23:16.northerly wind will bring clearer conditions into the northern half

:23:16. > :23:22.of the UK as the day pans out, but make it feel increasingly chilly.

:23:22. > :23:27.To the south, we keep cloud and drizzly outbreaks of rain. Top

:23:27. > :23:33.temperatures, ranging from a chilly five Celsius in Scotland to a mild

:23:33. > :23:39.nine Celsius in Plymouth. A wide- spread frost overnight. Bright, but

:23:39. > :23:48.chilly days in prospect for Monday and Tuesday, where we may see

:23:48. > :23:52.temperatures not getting above D No alarmism in the next story.

:23:52. > :23:56.These are stories which keep occurring, accounts of poor care

:23:56. > :23:59.and a lack of compassion. Worst was the scandal at Mid Staffordshire

:23:59. > :24:03.hospital where hundreds are thought to have died over the past few

:24:03. > :24:06.years. There are many others. This week, one MP told the Prime

:24:06. > :24:13.Minister of her concerns based on the experiences of her husband,

:24:13. > :24:18.when he was dying in hospital. Mr Speaker, a universal health care

:24:18. > :24:21.system, free at the point of delivery is what the overwhelming

:24:21. > :24:27.majority of the British people want. Something which I remain firmly

:24:27. > :24:33.committed to. However, there are increasing

:24:33. > :24:38.complaints about nurses who fail to show care and compassion to those.

:24:38. > :24:43.What will the Prime Minister do about that? Ann Clwyd, who you saw

:24:43. > :24:49.there, joins me now from our Cardiff story. Ann Clwyd, you said

:24:49. > :24:53.your husband was left to die like a battery when in a cage and it was

:24:53. > :24:57.clearly an utterly harrowing experience. You are a very long-

:24:57. > :25:02.term, experienced MP. What are you going to do about this? Will you

:25:02. > :25:05.start a new campaign for more compassion in British hospitals?

:25:05. > :25:10.Yes, is the short answer. I've had hundreds and hundreds of e-mails

:25:10. > :25:15.from people from all over the country. And the theme is the same

:25:15. > :25:19.- there are some good nurses, but there are also some very bad nurses.

:25:19. > :25:24.People talked about their own experiences. One line from one of

:25:24. > :25:28.the e-mails "I must agree with you. The nursing profession is no longer

:25:28. > :25:34.the caring profession. When I sat at my husband's bedside, I did

:25:34. > :25:40.wonder why some of the so-called nurses bothered to put on their

:25:40. > :25:43.uniforms, the arrogance of some left me bewildered." "since they

:25:43. > :25:48.make nursing a degree course, the wrong kind are entering the

:25:48. > :25:55.profession. They think they are above the meanal tasks which the

:25:55. > :25:57.old-fartioned nurses undertook. We don't need a lot of pen pushers. We

:25:57. > :26:04.need compassionate nurses who are entering the profession because

:26:04. > :26:09.they care for people." They are powerful points. A lot of people

:26:09. > :26:13.will think what happened to you is utterly awful. Because you are an

:26:13. > :26:16.MP and you were able to raise it in the House of Commons we are now

:26:16. > :26:19.talking about it. What can be done to change the atmosphere in

:26:20. > :26:24.hospitals and in the profession? This is not a new thing, Andrew. I

:26:24. > :26:31.was for three years on the Royal Commission on the NHS. The only

:26:31. > :26:34.Royal Commission we've had. It reported in 1979. It landed on the

:26:34. > :26:39.desk of Margaret Thatcher. And very few of the recommendations

:26:39. > :26:46.were ever put in place. Some of the evidence that we had at that time

:26:46. > :26:50.on standards of care, we said, I suggest up just a few quotes from

:26:50. > :26:55.the Royal Commission report. Received much evidence, expressing

:26:55. > :27:00.concern about declining standards of nursing care. The RCN claim the

:27:00. > :27:04.standards have been put at risks because of financial constraints

:27:04. > :27:08.and man-hour shortages T main areas of risks were in hospital and one

:27:08. > :27:14.of these, of course I saw for myself. Neglect of basic nursing

:27:14. > :27:18.routines. So, there are already some patient

:27:18. > :27:23.bodies who campaign on these sort bodies who campaign on these sort

:27:23. > :27:26.of issues. But for whatever reason they have not achieved national

:27:27. > :27:31.prominence. Are you going to try and bring them together and create

:27:31. > :27:35.a new organisation? What is your thinking? Obviously there are

:27:35. > :27:38.people who have done work on this over a long period of time. I hope

:27:38. > :27:43.to get together next week, well this week, some of the

:27:43. > :27:48.organisations that have been campaigning to see how I can take

:27:48. > :27:54.it forward from there. The kind of response I've had from people all

:27:54. > :28:04.over the country, and from other countries as well, is amazing.

:28:04. > :28:04.

:28:04. > :28:08.They are not just 1 Para graph letters, they are substantial --

:28:08. > :28:13.one -paragraph letters. They are substantial. I met a freelance

:28:13. > :28:16.operator and he is being used by some hospitals to talk to the

:28:16. > :28:21.hospital staff about compassion and care.

:28:21. > :28:25.You know, where did those principals go?

:28:25. > :28:28.All right, Ann Clwyd, thank you very much for joining us this

:28:28. > :28:33.morning. What happened to Ann Clwyd's husband is a single case.

:28:33. > :28:37.Nursing is an extremely demanding job. People come from all the world.

:28:37. > :28:41.Of course the nurse who killed herself after the hoax call was one

:28:41. > :28:46.of them. There is something wrong, is there not in the culture of some

:28:46. > :28:52.hospitals. I am joined by Dr Carter, chief executive of the Royal

:28:52. > :28:59.College of Nursing. Thank you for coming in Dr Carter. The Health

:28:59. > :29:05.Secretary himself has talked - and going on one-off cases something

:29:05. > :29:09.seems to be going wrong in the culture. First of all, I have every

:29:09. > :29:14.sympathy with the situation Ann Clwyd found herself in. One thing I

:29:14. > :29:18.say when people give these accounts, because people write to me - it is

:29:18. > :29:23.essential that individual case is investigated. Too often we get

:29:23. > :29:27.these accounts weeks, months, years after they have occurred. I know

:29:27. > :29:31.the hospital in Cardiff will want to do this - it has to be

:29:31. > :29:34.investigated. If an individual nurse or other health care worker

:29:34. > :29:38.is culpable and there are no mitigating circumstances, then

:29:38. > :29:43.individuals have to be held to account. I believe that most nurses,

:29:44. > :29:49.the vast majority of nurses still uphold the long and well-respected

:29:49. > :29:54.traditions that we associate with the nursing profession. The Royal

:29:54. > :29:58.College of Nursing have been clear, there are strains in the system. I

:29:58. > :30:02.genuinely believe, and 92% of patients, that complete surveys

:30:02. > :30:06.express high degrees of satisfaction with their care. 8% do

:30:06. > :30:11.not. If I can pursue that point briefly. The NHS is a massive

:30:11. > :30:16.organisation. It treats one million people every 36 hours.

:30:16. > :30:21.Statistically, 920,000 people are feeling good about it. 80,000 are

:30:21. > :30:25.feeling very bad about it. If your mother or one of your relatives is

:30:25. > :30:28.in the 80,000, you want to say what is going on. What about Ann Clwyd's

:30:28. > :30:34.point, she said a lot of the wrong people are going into nursing.

:30:34. > :30:40.People who expect, as it were, a sort of semi white-collar career,

:30:40. > :30:43.rather than the old-fartioned do the tough, gritty jobs and be there

:30:43. > :30:53.alongside patients as much as possible? A lot of people would say

:30:53. > :30:55.

:30:55. > :31:00.We had an independent commission chaired by Lord Willis. He boasts

:31:00. > :31:04.the myth that if you have a degree, you can't be caring. The last thing

:31:04. > :31:07.I wanted it is take issue with Ann Clwyd, but how can you make a

:31:07. > :31:12.correlation between the fact that someone is well educated and not

:31:12. > :31:16.being able to care? The other factor is that the nursing degree

:31:16. > :31:20.profession issue does not kick in until next year. Most nurses

:31:20. > :31:27.currently do not have a degree, so to suggest that because they are

:31:27. > :31:31.degree dedicated... That falls at the first hurdle. I think her

:31:31. > :31:35.argument was more not that they cannot care or feel compassion

:31:35. > :31:41.because they are educated, but because they have come into the

:31:41. > :31:45.profession in that way, they feel, if you like, not expected to do

:31:46. > :31:53.some of the unpleasant, gritty, back-breaking, messy work that

:31:53. > :31:57.nurses have to do. We get that a lot in some areas. When I visit

:31:57. > :32:04.hospitals, which I do every week, nurses are doing does back-breaking

:32:04. > :32:07.tasks. I do not accept that nurses are not interested in the

:32:07. > :32:12.fundamentals of patient care. you happy to work with Ann Clwyd if

:32:13. > :32:18.she runs this campaign? I don't think she needs a campaign. We need

:32:18. > :32:21.to understand what is going on. We know we have a healthcare system

:32:21. > :32:25.but is under strain, particularly with the care of older people. If

:32:25. > :32:29.you look at some of these accounts, it is usually to do with the care

:32:29. > :32:33.of older people. The majority of the workforce there tend to be

:32:33. > :32:37.healthcare assistants, often under the supervision of a registered

:32:37. > :32:41.nurse. There is nothing wrong with that, but there is something wrong

:32:41. > :32:44.when healthcare assistants are not given rudimentary training.

:32:44. > :32:49.should ask you about the terrible case in the London Hospital with

:32:49. > :32:54.the nurse who killed herself after that hoax call. Does that say

:32:55. > :33:00.something about the psychological pressures on a lot of nurses?

:33:00. > :33:05.Absolutely. But we do not know the full circumstances and I don't wish

:33:05. > :33:09.to speculate. But this is the fall- out from these hoaxes. We have seen

:33:09. > :33:14.them in the past. It rarely has such a dramatic effect as on this

:33:14. > :33:21.occasion. Our thoughts are with Jacintha Saldanha's husband and

:33:21. > :33:26.children. It is a tragedy that was avoidable.

:33:26. > :33:30.Now, if you grew up in the 1990s, particularly if you were a girl,

:33:30. > :33:35.there is one pop group that surely made a bigger impact than any other.

:33:35. > :33:38.Sporty, Scary, Posh, Baby and Ginger, otherwise known as the

:33:38. > :33:45.Spice Girls. If you had forgotten why, that performance at the

:33:45. > :33:52.Olympics closing ceremony will have brought those memories back.

:33:52. > :33:56.# People of the world, Spice Up Your Life!

:33:56. > :34:01.A Now Girl Power is coming to the West End stage in a new musical

:34:01. > :34:04.inspired by the group. Viva Forever! Tells the rags-to-riches

:34:04. > :34:08.story of a group of girls fire songs like Wannabe, Mama and Say

:34:08. > :34:12.You'll Be There. Joining me is Geri Halliwell, who back in the day was

:34:12. > :34:19.known as Ginger Spice, and the author David Sinclair, who has

:34:19. > :34:25.written a book on the Spice Girls phenomenon. Geri Halliwell, this is

:34:25. > :34:31.a musical using the music of the Spice Girls, but it is not the

:34:31. > :34:38.Spice Girls' story? No, it is done by the producer of Mamma Mia, and

:34:38. > :34:45.like that, it is a different story using the Spice Girls' music.

:34:45. > :34:52.are called jukebox musicals. Don't like that term. Our music helps

:34:52. > :34:56.tell the story. It is not just the music. The story stands on its own.

:34:56. > :35:03.David, put this into historical context. There are lots of boy

:35:03. > :35:09.bands and girl bands which were put together. But the Spice Girls were

:35:09. > :35:14.the real pioneers? I think so. In those days, there were no girl

:35:14. > :35:19.groups. They were not considered a viable proposition. Fender Spice

:35:19. > :35:24.Girls exploded on the scene and changed everything. By the time

:35:24. > :35:31.they finished, there were lots of girl groups. They had a huge effect

:35:31. > :35:41.on the music business. This musical is the legacy of what the Spice

:35:41. > :35:42.

:35:42. > :35:46.Girls did. Let's look at the rehearsals of the musical. There

:35:46. > :35:51.are some great characters in it. There is a middle-aged couple who

:35:51. > :35:55.are getting it on, and it is awkward and funny. It is about

:35:55. > :36:01.relationships between mother and daughter... And it does have

:36:01. > :36:07.stopped text. I know your viewers are intelligent. Some of them are.

:36:07. > :36:16.And it is joyful and funny, and it has an undercurrent about whether

:36:16. > :36:22.it is about family, power, judgment. And what is the condition of girl

:36:22. > :36:28.power these days? A lot of you have got girls of your own. That is true.

:36:28. > :36:35.I think the term girl power has existed since time began, whether

:36:35. > :36:40.it was Elizabeth I or the suffragettes. It changes in

:36:40. > :36:45.different forms. Today, there are lots of women with girl power.

:36:45. > :36:51.There is people power as well. David, we now live in the era of

:36:51. > :36:58.the X Factor and all those TV shows. But the legacy of the Spice Girls,

:36:58. > :37:07.musically? Musically, they left a bunch of great songs. In some ways,

:37:07. > :37:13.you could say that they introduced a new era of celebrity culture, and

:37:13. > :37:20.some of that has not been great. But that is hardly their fault.

:37:20. > :37:24.They definitely changed the landscape of pop in a big way.

:37:24. > :37:27.Halliwell, reflecting back, it must have been an extraordinary thing,

:37:27. > :37:31.because you were all plucked out and you did not know each other

:37:31. > :37:38.before the group was put together. And suddenly, you were a global

:37:38. > :37:44.phenomenon. The pressures of that must have been amazing. I refer to

:37:44. > :37:51.it like the Making Of Frankenstein. Dr Frankenstein was trying to

:37:51. > :37:58.manipulate and make something. We became our own entity and took on

:37:58. > :38:04.our own life-force and became authentic as a group. There was

:38:04. > :38:12.real friendship and support. when you left at one point, they

:38:12. > :38:16.started to write songs about you. That was flattering and

:38:16. > :38:24.heartbreaking at the same time. Fingers crossed for this. Everyone

:38:24. > :38:30.is saying it may be the next huge West End smash. Do you have

:38:30. > :38:35.children? They are a bit old for this. But I would so this is a show

:38:35. > :38:41.for everybody. I will get your tickets. You are not allowed to say

:38:41. > :38:45.that! It is the BBC. I will have to pay.

:38:45. > :38:48.Now, there are some pretty rotten jobs in this world. You could be

:38:48. > :38:52.the United Nations peace envoy to Syria, for example. Overseeing

:38:52. > :38:56.government spending cuts as we trudged through the long age of

:38:56. > :38:59.austerity is not great either. On the other hand, at least the

:38:59. > :39:06.Liberal Democrat Chief Secretary to the Treasury, Danny Alexander, has

:39:06. > :39:10.a job. It will mean him taking huge decisions about where the pain

:39:10. > :39:14.falls on hospitals, police, welfare and the army for years ahead. He

:39:14. > :39:20.joins me now. Let me start by asking about the overall state of

:39:20. > :39:24.the economy as you perceive it. Four or five years more of pain to

:39:24. > :39:29.come. Vince Cable was speculating about a double-dip recession. This

:39:29. > :39:34.could go on for a very long time and be almost unbearable for a lot

:39:34. > :39:40.of people. The Autumn Statement was about the world as it is, not how

:39:40. > :39:45.we hoped it would be two and a half years ago, nor the fantasy world

:39:45. > :39:50.the Labour Party seem to exist in. The OBR told us in their report

:39:50. > :39:54.this week that we are seeing much slower growth in the Eurozone. The

:39:54. > :40:00.broken banking system is weighing down on our economy, and that means

:40:00. > :40:06.it will take longer to clear up the mess. So it is a harder road, but

:40:06. > :40:10.we are making progress. Will we see a double-dip recession? De OBR

:40:10. > :40:14.forecast that the final quarter of this year would be negative, but we

:40:14. > :40:18.did slowly see positive growth returning next year. That suggests

:40:18. > :40:22.that we will not have that happening, but it is an uncertain

:40:22. > :40:27.world. We are seeing continuing problems in the Eurozone, but I am

:40:27. > :40:33.happy to rest with the OBR's forecast, which is a bounce-back

:40:33. > :40:38.from the Olympic boost in the third quarter of this year, with steady

:40:38. > :40:43.growth starting to return next year and a year after. Are you all so

:40:44. > :40:47.happy to rest on the fact that people at the bottom of the heap

:40:47. > :40:51.are paying more than everybody else to get us out of this? There is a

:40:51. > :40:58.small group at the top who are being taxed heavily, but if you

:40:58. > :41:03.look at the bottom 10%, they are really hurting now. And you are

:41:03. > :41:09.imposing another three years of cuts on many, including disabled

:41:09. > :41:13.people, who feel it is unfair. First and foremost, as you say, we

:41:13. > :41:19.are asking those who have the most to contradict the most. We have had

:41:19. > :41:23.additional tax rises on the wealthy at every fiscal event. They have to

:41:23. > :41:28.pay an extra �7 billion. But people at the bottom have to pay an extra

:41:28. > :41:35.�14 billion. Actually, if you take all the measures over time we are

:41:35. > :41:40.putting in place, the wealthiest will pay more. In dealing with the

:41:40. > :41:44.fact that we have a budget deficit, we have to live within our means.

:41:44. > :41:48.That means we have to make reductions in a range of areas. The

:41:48. > :41:56.decisions we made on welfare in the autumn statement, given that some

:41:57. > :42:02.said we should make �10 billion of welfare cuts, we made �3.5 billion.

:42:02. > :42:07.When you say some people, you mean the Conservatives? Some

:42:07. > :42:12.Conservatives advocated this. We have said to people on out-of-work

:42:12. > :42:16.benefits and some people in work as well, you expected your benefits to

:42:16. > :42:20.rise, and they will rise by less than you expected. But we will also

:42:20. > :42:27.give you the biggest single tax cut for working people that we have

:42:27. > :42:30.seen for generations. That is the tax threshold. A which you are

:42:30. > :42:35.paying for by hitting people including the disabled. A lot of

:42:35. > :42:39.people look at these figures and say, how can you, as a Liberal

:42:39. > :42:47.Democrat, on the progressive side, blue this to disabled people?

:42:47. > :42:52.fact, we have protected disability benefits and tax allowances. We are

:42:52. > :42:58.increasing benefits by 1% for three years. Which is an effective cut,

:42:58. > :43:01.given inflation. You are right, it is a reduction in real terms. But

:43:01. > :43:06.it is sharing the burden. should we be sharing the burden

:43:06. > :43:10.with the disabled at the bottom of the pile? The key benefits for

:43:10. > :43:16.disabled people, the disability living allowance and the disability

:43:16. > :43:21.components of tax credits, are rising with inflation. So people

:43:22. > :43:28.like Tanni Grey-Thompson and all the disabled charities who are

:43:28. > :43:33.furious, they have all got the wrong picture? I am not accusing

:43:33. > :43:39.them of that. They have an important argument to make, and we

:43:39. > :43:42.have listened to that. We could have said we would apply this 1% to

:43:42. > :43:46.disability living allowance, the principal benefit which goes to

:43:47. > :43:51.meet the extra costs of disability. We could have applied that to the

:43:51. > :43:56.tax credits which go to disabled children. We are not. Those will go

:43:56. > :44:01.up in line with inflation. But they will be poorer as a result of the

:44:01. > :44:11.Autumn Statement. A likewise with pensioners. Many disabled people

:44:11. > :44:16.are pensioners. We are increasing the pension. Some would say there

:44:16. > :44:21.is a cynical politics involved in this. You know that pensioners are

:44:21. > :44:25.more likely to vote and people on middle incomes are likely to vote.

:44:25. > :44:30.And people on welfare are less likely to vote. So whatever the

:44:30. > :44:34.howls of outrage from the various lobby groups, in a cynical way,

:44:34. > :44:38.this makes good politics? I don't look at it in that way at all. As

:44:38. > :44:44.you said, my job is to find a way to make the savings this country

:44:44. > :44:49.has to make with -- to deal with the catastrophic mess our

:44:49. > :44:53.predecessors left this country in. That means difficult decisions. How

:44:53. > :44:59.do we make sure the balance over all is fair, but recognise that we

:44:59. > :45:03.have to reduce the rate of increase of the costs of the welfare system?

:45:03. > :45:08.I don't want to talk about benefit recipients in a negative way.

:45:08. > :45:12.60% of them are in work. Her and those 60% will be met better off as

:45:12. > :45:16.a result of the Autumn Statement, because the biggest tax cut coming

:45:17. > :45:21.from the Liberal Democrats will mean there that in net terms,

:45:21. > :45:26.working people on lower incomes are better off. As a Liberal Democrat,

:45:26. > :45:31.having written the �10,000 income tax threshold into our manifestoes,

:45:31. > :45:36.we are delivering that. You are paying for it with benefit cuts.

:45:36. > :45:46.are paying for it by getting more money from tax dodgers, and asking

:45:46. > :45:47.

:45:47. > :45:52.Let's talk about the tax-dodgers. Starbucks have come up and said, oh,

:45:52. > :45:57.here's �20 million. What do you make of this? Is taxation for big

:45:57. > :46:04.companys a voluntary - a bit of money on the plate arrangement? It

:46:04. > :46:09.is very strange skham Taxation for anyone in --!. Taxation for anyone

:46:09. > :46:12.is not a voluntary arrangement. What I would say is this - that

:46:12. > :46:16.thinking of the tax system like the Church plate going around on a

:46:16. > :46:19.Sunday morning is the wrong way to think about it. Our job as a

:46:20. > :46:24.Government and the responsibility to taxpayers is to pay the proper

:46:24. > :46:28.amount they owe. Many want to come forward to the Government and say

:46:28. > :46:31.we think we have paid too little and I want to rectify my

:46:31. > :46:35.arrangements, of course I welcome that. There are tens of millions in

:46:35. > :46:40.this country who pay the proper amount of tax, day in, day out.

:46:40. > :46:46.Ensuring people cannot avoid our tax system is a key objective.

:46:46. > :46:51.Offering up a bit of money for a headline - how would you regard

:46:51. > :46:55.that, unacceptable? They have to have, any company who does that,

:46:55. > :46:59.any multinational, has to have a word with HMRC. I gath their is go

:46:59. > :47:05.oning. I will not -- I gather that is on-going.

:47:05. > :47:09.The principal is the tax system is not voluntary choice. It is not

:47:09. > :47:13.something you can choose to do because you think it might please

:47:13. > :47:17.your customers. It is an obligation. What we have to do, which we did in

:47:17. > :47:20.the Autumn Statement, is put more resources into the hand of the

:47:20. > :47:24.taxman to go after companies to make sure they are playing the

:47:24. > :47:29.proper tax and change the global rules, to make sure they are there

:47:29. > :47:34.to catch these companies and brought up-to-date with the

:47:34. > :47:40.internet age. Barely a day goes by without another example of another

:47:40. > :47:46.big company who it turns out are not paying tax or very much tax.

:47:46. > :47:50.You are starting to close the holes in gernsy and the Isle of Man -- in

:47:50. > :47:55.Guernsey and the Isle of Man, et cetera. What about some new

:47:55. > :47:59.international agreement to enforce very large multinational companies,

:47:59. > :48:04.paying their fair whack of tax? is a very important point. George

:48:04. > :48:08.Osborne has taken the lead in terms of the OECD. We are putting more

:48:08. > :48:12.money in alongside the French and German Governments to change the

:48:12. > :48:18.rules globally, so we can make sure that the rules catch these big

:48:18. > :48:23.companies, that you cannot use the arrangements to shift properties to

:48:23. > :48:29.lower tax jurisdictions. That is work going on now. -- private

:48:29. > :48:35.profits to lower tax jurisdictions. That is work going on now. We will

:48:35. > :48:38.get an extra �9 billion a year as a result of the efforts that I and my

:48:38. > :48:43.colleagues in the Treasury have pushed for. This is the right way

:48:43. > :48:47.to do this. Your observation is, which in a sense the tax system we

:48:47. > :48:52.inherited was full of holes, that we have a lot of work to do. This

:48:52. > :48:57.is the moment to do it? It is about fairness. It is about saying, at a

:48:57. > :49:02.time of austerity, everyone has an obligation to play by the same tax

:49:02. > :49:06.rules. Why did you lose the argument on the mansion tax? We put

:49:06. > :49:09.forward an idea of a mansion tax. I think it is the right idea that

:49:09. > :49:12.people in very large, expensive properties should pay additional

:49:12. > :49:16.tax. The Conservatives made clear their long-standing opposition to

:49:16. > :49:22.this. Is this because you think that the Conservative donors said

:49:22. > :49:26.no more black tie dinners, no more help in our mansions if you put a

:49:26. > :49:30.mansion tax on - as has been reported today? I know there was a

:49:30. > :49:34.letter saying that. There was an argument in the discussions we had,

:49:34. > :49:38.which was more about the re- valuelations of properties. It is

:49:38. > :49:43.the right thing to do. We have not succeeded this time. We have

:49:43. > :49:47.increased taxes on the wealthiest on their pensions. We are getting

:49:47. > :49:51.more money from Switzerland, where wealthy people thought they could

:49:51. > :49:54.hide their money from the taxman. That is part of the overall

:49:54. > :49:58.fairness. That means that we, as the Liberal Democrats, will

:49:58. > :50:03.continue to argue for this in Government. If we do not succeed

:50:03. > :50:11.over the next two-and-a-half years, we will put it to the British

:50:11. > :50:16.people as part of our manifesto in two-and-a-half years. If you carry

:50:16. > :50:22.on protecting the NHS, overseas aid and so on, then the non-protected

:50:22. > :50:27.departments are going to have to face a real-terms cut of about one-

:50:27. > :50:32.third or 30% in their departmental budget, which they describe as

:50:32. > :50:35.intolerable, impossible, and so on. They are right. You will have to

:50:35. > :50:41.look again at what you ring-fence and what you don't, aren't you?

:50:41. > :50:44.job I have to do over the next six months is find �10 billion of

:50:44. > :50:48.savings from Government departments. That is in the short-term? There'll

:50:48. > :50:53.be difficult choices there. We have said we need to protect the NHS

:50:53. > :50:55.budget. Cost pressures in the NHS run ahead of inflation. As you

:50:55. > :50:59.heard from Ann Clwyd's moving interview, there is a lot of work

:50:59. > :51:03.to be done to improve standards in the NHS. It is right to continue to

:51:03. > :51:08.protect that part of the public sector. Which means you have to be

:51:08. > :51:17.much more brutal than you have been so far in other departmental

:51:17. > :51:22.spending. In some respects, people say you - it is ghastly, but you

:51:22. > :51:25.are pussy-footing around, you have to take out functions that were

:51:26. > :51:29.done, but we cannot afford any more. We have people on one side saying

:51:29. > :51:35.we are cutting too much. And other people saying we are cutting too

:51:35. > :51:45.little. We are right to continue to do this in a steady way. The

:51:45. > :51:48.reductions in 015-2016, are the -- in 2015-2016r the same pace. There

:51:48. > :51:52.is an opportunity to do some positive things here. For example,

:51:52. > :51:55.I would like to see additional resources found, through the

:51:55. > :51:59.spending round, support improvements in childcare,

:52:00. > :52:03.particularly for working mums seeking to go back to work. We have

:52:03. > :52:07.to make those difficult choices to fund the difficult things as well

:52:07. > :52:12.as make the reductions. You look at the numbers and look at the economy,

:52:12. > :52:17.it is obvious there'll have to be another substantial round of cuts,

:52:18. > :52:22.or of tax rises. I put it to you that actually next year or the year

:52:22. > :52:26.after, or when ever you will have to say to British people, we need

:52:26. > :52:33.more tax rises. It may well be your mansion tax, I don't know. We are

:52:33. > :52:39.making the decisions for 2015-2016. We will set it out in our manifesto.

:52:39. > :52:43.This is one reason the position is so incredible. They live in a

:52:43. > :52:50.fantasy world. They come in. OK. Before we finish.

:52:50. > :52:54.I want to come back to the question of the short to medium-term future.

:52:54. > :52:58.Another budget in March. Are we going to have to see yet more

:52:58. > :53:02.changes to the base spending on departments? More cuts in

:53:02. > :53:05.departmental budgets and probably more taxes too? I don't think so.

:53:05. > :53:11.We are, in this Spending Review period, over the next couple of

:53:11. > :53:21.years, we are sticking to the plans. We have shifted money by squeezing

:53:21. > :53:21.

:53:21. > :53:24.bobg rock casy to put more into squeezed very much. 6% so far.

:53:24. > :53:27.have made significant squeezes. There are more to come, not just in

:53:27. > :53:35.this Parliament, but into the next two. Thank you very much for

:53:35. > :53:39.The Chief Secretary to the Treasury said that official data say that

:53:39. > :53:43.we're not heading for a triple-dip recession. He admitted that the

:53:43. > :53:47.slowdown in Europe and the fallout of the banking crisis meant it was

:53:47. > :53:52.going to be a longer and harder road. On tax avoidance, he said

:53:52. > :53:57.that collecting tax from companies like Starbucks was not a voluntary

:53:57. > :54:02.process, like passing the Church plate around. Mohamed Morsi has

:54:02. > :54:06.annulled a decree he issued last month, which expanded his powers.

:54:06. > :54:13.The decree sparked angry protests and led to accusations that Mr

:54:13. > :54:17.Morsi was acting like a dictator. A controversial referendum on a draft

:54:17. > :54:20.constitution will go ahead, as planned, next week. Australian

:54:20. > :54:24.police authorities have confirmed that they have been contacted by

:54:24. > :54:29.British officers with a view to speaking to the DJs who made a hoax

:54:29. > :54:31.call to the hospital treating the Duchess of Cambridge. The two, Mel

:54:31. > :54:35.Greig and Michael Christian pretended to be members of the

:54:35. > :54:39.Royal Family. The nurse, who answered the call, Jacintha

:54:40. > :54:43.Saldanha, was later found dead. That's all from me for now. The

:54:43. > :54:49.next news on BBC One is at midday. See you soon. For now, back to

:54:49. > :54:58.Andrew. Many thanks. Now we had girl power and it is time for

:54:58. > :55:04.something different. Live music from two veterans. Brook Williams

:55:05. > :55:11.is a folk and country musician with golden guitar fingers. Together,

:55:11. > :55:18.they are State of the Union. How did you meet? I do a concert every

:55:18. > :55:24.two years in Ely, where I live. I met Brook Williams before. He

:55:24. > :55:30.interviewed me me for a magazine article. He came through the snow

:55:30. > :55:34.and the rest is history. And the album you made, you recorded it in

:55:34. > :55:39.a day-and-a-half. We booked five days. We finished after a day-and-

:55:39. > :55:46.a-half. We took the rest of the week off. Tell us about the song.

:55:46. > :55:51.We will do Pet Shop Boys - the song Rent. Are you a fan? They are great.

:55:51. > :55:56.It is good fun taking pop songs and turning them into blues songs.

:55:56. > :56:02.are looking forward to that. That's all we have time for. Back next

:56:02. > :56:07.Sunday for our last show of 2012. We have Boris Johnson, Rory Bremner

:56:07. > :56:17.and Gandalf, that is one of Britain's finest Shakespearean

:56:17. > :56:23.

:56:23. > :56:24.actors, Ian McKellen. Now, State of # And look at the two of us in

:56:24. > :56:29.sympathy. # With everything we see.

:56:29. > :56:33.# I never want anything, it's easy. # You buy whatever I need.

:56:33. > :56:43.# But look at my hopes, look at my dreams.

:56:43. > :56:44.

:56:44. > :56:54.# The currency we've spent. # I love you, you pay my rent.

:56:54. > :57:01.

:57:01. > :57:05.# You phone me in the evening on hearsay.

:57:05. > :57:12.# And bought me caviar. # You took me to a restaurant off

:57:12. > :57:16.Broadway. # To tell me who you are.

:57:16. > :57:26.# We never ever argue, we never calculate.

:57:26. > :57:27.

:57:27. > :57:37.# The currency we've spent. # I love you, oh, you pay my rent.

:57:37. > :57:50.

:57:50. > :57:51.# I love you, pay my rent. # And look at the two of us in

:57:51. > :57:53.sympathy. # And sometimes ecstasy.

:57:53. > :57:57.# Words mean so little, and money less.