:00:36. > :00:39.Good morning. Doubtless it's white outside your window. The main
:00:39. > :00:43.concern for lots of people today will be coping with the snow. But
:00:43. > :00:46.we'll be spending a bit of our time focusing on a desert, trying to
:00:46. > :00:50.work out exactly what happened in that terrorist attack in Algeria.
:00:50. > :00:53.How many people have died? And was the attempt to free them by the
:00:53. > :00:56.Algerian army botched? Most important of all, is this the
:00:56. > :01:00.beginning of something we should all worry about? Is the Sahara the
:01:00. > :01:03.new battleground for al-Qaeda? We'll be addressing all those
:01:03. > :01:08.issues and more as we review today's papers with the actor David
:01:08. > :01:11.Morrissey and Deborah Haynes, defence editor of The Times.
:01:11. > :01:15.The attack on the giant gas complex in Algeria marks a sinister
:01:15. > :01:19.escalation of terrorism in the region. Governments around the
:01:19. > :01:23.world have been pulled up short. This was to have been the weekend
:01:23. > :01:27.when we all digested a big speech on the EU by David Cameron - it was
:01:27. > :01:30.cancelled. The Foreign Secretary, William Hague, cut short his trip
:01:30. > :01:33.to Australia and is now back in the UK chairing emergency meetings of
:01:33. > :01:36.the COBRA committee Mr Hague is with us to talk about what exactly
:01:36. > :01:43.happened in that patch of Algerian desert and what Western governments
:01:43. > :01:46.can do with al-Qaeda becoming more and more active across North Africa.
:01:46. > :01:49.The Prime Minister's speech on the UK's relationship with the EU was
:01:49. > :01:54.one which his supporters hoped would silence his critics on Europe
:01:55. > :01:57.- none more vocal than the United Kingdom Independence Party. This
:01:57. > :02:01.morning we'll be asking UKIP's leader, Nigel Farage, if he thinks
:02:01. > :02:05.Mr Cameron is now starting to play his tune, or at least some of the
:02:05. > :02:08.notes he wants to hear. We can't promise we'll be joined by
:02:08. > :02:11.Abraham Lincoln - the American civil war president is long gone,
:02:11. > :02:16.but his time in office has been turned into a gripping movie by one
:02:16. > :02:19.of our guests. Steven Spielberg, the greatest of film directors, has
:02:19. > :02:23.told the story of the way Lincoln ended slavery in America and we'll
:02:23. > :02:29.talk to him about the movie and how it fits into a stunning run of
:02:30. > :02:33.films about aliens, adventurers, soldiers and sharks.
:02:33. > :02:43.Plus we'll have some fine music from a new star who blends her
:02:43. > :02:45.
:02:45. > :02:49.Jamaican and West African heritage into a modern, soulful mix.
:02:49. > :02:52.# The person I'm supposed to be. Josephine, who'll be performing
:02:52. > :02:58.live later in the show. First, the news with Naga Munchetty.
:02:58. > :03:02.Good morning. Some of the survivors of the
:03:02. > :03:05.Algeria gas plant siege returned to the UK overnight. David Cameron
:03:05. > :03:15.says his priority is to bring home all those involved as quickly as
:03:15. > :03:17.
:03:17. > :03:24.possible. Three British citizens are now known to have been killed.
:03:24. > :03:27.A further UK resident is also believed dead. The siege came to an
:03:27. > :03:29.end last night, when Algerian special forces stormed the site in
:03:29. > :03:35.the Sahara where Islamist militants had been holding hundreds of
:03:35. > :03:39.foreign and Algerian hostages. The Prime Minister made this statement.
:03:39. > :03:43.I know the whole country will want to join with me in sending our
:03:43. > :03:47.sympathy and condolences to the families who have undergone an
:03:47. > :03:52.absolutely dreadful ordeal and now face life without these very
:03:52. > :03:58.precious loved ones will stop the priority now must be to get
:03:58. > :04:02.everybody home from Algeria. I've spoken this morning to our
:04:02. > :04:05.ambassador in Algiers and this morning will be going again to the
:04:05. > :04:13.south of the country to help co- ordinate that absolutely vital
:04:13. > :04:16.activity. West African leaders meeting in
:04:16. > :04:18.Ivory Coast to discuss the conflict in Mali have called for more
:04:18. > :04:21.international support for the military intervention there. The
:04:21. > :04:24.French Foreign Minister, who attended the talks, said France had
:04:24. > :04:26.been obliged to send in troops, but insisted that African forces will
:04:26. > :04:29.take over leadership of the operation within weeks.
:04:29. > :04:31.Tributes have been paid to four climbers who were killed in an
:04:31. > :04:33.avalanche in Glencoe in the Highlands yesterday. Scotland's
:04:33. > :04:37.First Minister, Alex Salmond, said their deaths were truly devastating.
:04:37. > :04:42.Prayers will be said for the victims at a service this morning.
:04:42. > :04:48.Two people - a man and a woman - survived. The woman is in a serious
:04:48. > :04:55.condition in hospital. Mountain rescuers make their way
:04:55. > :04:58.back down the mountain as dark this falls. A group of six climbers were
:04:58. > :05:02.coming down the mountain close to the three sisters when tragedy
:05:02. > :05:07.struck. Five of them were swept hundreds of feet down the hillside
:05:07. > :05:12.after its thought a slab of snow gave way beneath them. The alarm
:05:12. > :05:18.was raised by another group of climbers and a rescue was launched.
:05:18. > :05:22.Two men and two women were found dead. One woman was airlifted to
:05:22. > :05:26.hospital in Fort William where she remains in a critical condition.
:05:26. > :05:31.Glencoe hasn't had the heavy snow blighting much of the UK, but the
:05:31. > :05:38.Scottish avalanche Information Service had still deemed the risk
:05:38. > :05:43.of avalanche considerable. hills look fairly bare of snow and
:05:43. > :05:47.the avalanche risk and the hazard is very localised. Because of the
:05:47. > :05:51.cold temperatures, instability is persisting so therefore it may
:05:51. > :05:59.appeared solid and firm on the surface, but underneath it is
:05:59. > :06:04.actually quite weak and loose. The hard slab is lying on top of very
:06:04. > :06:08.soft snow. Alex Salmond said it was an appalling tragedy and that his
:06:08. > :06:11.thoughts and prayers were with a family of those who had been lost.
:06:11. > :06:14.Thousands of people who support gun ownership have held rallies across
:06:14. > :06:18.the United States. They carried copies of the US constitution,
:06:18. > :06:21.saying they were defending their right to bear arms. The activists
:06:21. > :06:24.were demonstrating against new laws to regulate firearms. They were
:06:24. > :06:30.proposed by President Obama after last month's shooting in
:06:30. > :06:33.Connecticut. The President will be sworn in for his second term today.
:06:33. > :06:37.A man and two teenage boys have been arrested in east Belfast after
:06:37. > :06:39.another night of protests over the Union flag. The arrests came after
:06:39. > :06:42.Loyalists staged a peaceful demonstration at the City Hall,
:06:42. > :06:48.where the Union flag will be raised today to mark Sophie, the Countess
:06:48. > :06:51.of Wessex's birthday. It'll be only the second time the flag has been
:06:51. > :06:56.hoisted since city councillors voted to limit the number of days
:06:56. > :07:00.it is flown. That's all from me for now. I'll be
:07:00. > :07:05.back with the headlines just before ten o'clock. Back to you, Jeremy.
:07:05. > :07:08.Thank you, Naga. In a moment, the papers, but first news of Andrew.
:07:08. > :07:13.He has been chatting by phone from his hospital bed to our production
:07:13. > :07:16.team. He is on the mend and he sends a huge thank you to friends
:07:16. > :07:19.and viewers who have bombarded him with goodwill messages. He say
:07:19. > :07:23.that's been truly wonderful and that he's really looking forward to
:07:23. > :07:27.returning to work in due course and resuming duties on a Sunday morning.
:07:27. > :07:37.Andrew, I gather you are watching right now - good luck from all of
:07:37. > :07:38.
:07:38. > :07:44.us here with your recuperation. Get well soon! Let's now review the
:07:44. > :07:46.papers with Deborah Haynes and David Morrissey. Let me go from
:07:46. > :07:56.David Morrissey. Let me go from that -- through some of the papers.
:07:56. > :08:12.
:08:12. > :08:18.The Argyriou situation is dominant. The Independent is projecting
:08:19. > :08:28.forward to what might happen in Algeria. The Observer are on the
:08:29. > :08:34.
:08:34. > :08:43.other lunch as well. A tragic story A Benefits story on the front page
:08:43. > :08:47.of the Sun. Hostage story on the front page of the Mirror. The
:08:47. > :08:57.Express say the police have a photo of Madeleine McCann with her
:08:57. > :09:03.abductor. Welcome to both of you. But Deborah, this terrible story
:09:03. > :09:06.from Algeria. The papers are dominated by it. They have been
:09:06. > :09:10.trying to piece together what happened, which all journalists
:09:10. > :09:16.have had a problem with it because it is so hard to get precise
:09:16. > :09:21.details. The Sunday Telegraph has a pretty good blow-by-blow of the
:09:21. > :09:24.final assault by the ruthless and injures, the name apparently given
:09:24. > :09:28.injures, the name apparently given to the Algerian special forces, he
:09:28. > :09:33.went into the gas field yesterday in this final bloody showdown,
:09:33. > :09:37.which seems to have left 11 of the kidnappers dead, but also seven of
:09:37. > :09:43.the hostages. You've been writing about it all the week. The papers
:09:43. > :09:48.this morning seemed to be pretty up-to-date with everything we know.
:09:49. > :09:54.It is more than my new shy of what actually happened. What happened on
:09:54. > :10:00.Thursday when the Algerian army launched that first operation that
:10:00. > :10:05.has been badly criticised? They opened fire on a convoy. In the
:10:05. > :10:09.Telegraph, there's an account by one of the Filipino workers caught
:10:09. > :10:13.up in the convoy and he was saying that the gunman behind me was
:10:13. > :10:17.shooting at a helicopter gunship, it was very loud, he thought he was
:10:17. > :10:22.going to die and he was waiting for one of the helicopter bullets to
:10:22. > :10:25.hit him. It sounds absolutely terrifying. Some talk about maybe
:10:25. > :10:30.quiet leave the UK government and Western governments are pleased
:10:30. > :10:37.that the Algerian government went in so hard. Absolutely. For any
:10:37. > :10:41.hostage rescue is going to be risky. Special forces are specifically
:10:41. > :10:48.trained to limit the casualties. Maybe with the young Algerians they
:10:48. > :10:56.were not so well experience. But the messages we will not negotiate.
:10:56. > :11:02.David? Also in the Telegraph by Patrick soya, and horrific
:11:02. > :11:06.eyewitness description of what happened. Can Albanian chef said
:11:06. > :11:16.they pulled out one British hostage and they have him quoted saying
:11:16. > :11:17.
:11:17. > :11:21.they threatened him until they call dealt. -- called out. It is an
:11:22. > :11:26.horrific account of what happened. Reports that they entered the
:11:26. > :11:36.country not through Algeria, but through Libya, which is quite
:11:36. > :11:37.
:11:37. > :11:44.interesting. There's a list of the British hostages. If you say fate
:11:44. > :11:51.unclear, which is quite nasty. -- After you say. The wider African
:11:51. > :11:55.problem, the sense of the new-look front of al-Qaeda. That is covered.
:11:55. > :11:58.The terror and the horror of the last few days is one thing, but the
:11:58. > :12:04.warning we are getting is this could be the start of things the
:12:04. > :12:09.gum. The Independent on Sunday has a really good could analysis about
:12:09. > :12:15.how the UK, the US and our allies are turning their sights on the
:12:15. > :12:19.North African threat. They describe it as it corridor of terror snaking
:12:19. > :12:25.from Mali into at least five countries, Nigeria, Niger,
:12:25. > :12:33.Mauritania, Algeria, Libya and Egypt. For this is not a list that
:12:33. > :12:37.has suddenly appeared. They have been there for a while, but William
:12:37. > :12:40.Hague... It is exercising politicians. People have been
:12:40. > :12:44.jumping up and down about the threat in this part of the world
:12:44. > :12:49.for a long time, but attention has been focused on Afghanistan and
:12:49. > :12:57.Iraq and people have been saying we should not put so many fought for -
:12:57. > :13:01.- resources in Afghanistan. In Mali, of is a big conflict at the moment.
:13:02. > :13:08.It is a breeding ground. Especially post Libya, all those weapons that
:13:09. > :13:18.have flooded onto the market, giving people the means to be able
:13:18. > :13:23.to do this. A David, anything else? Fee international support in Mali.
:13:23. > :13:28.-- the international support. Whether the French will be in there
:13:28. > :13:36.on their own ball whether the Mali government will take over. Key in
:13:36. > :13:41.the Observer you have this piece. It is talking about how they've
:13:41. > :13:46.spoken to civilians in Mali who were experiencing reports of
:13:46. > :13:51.killings and other human rights abuses at hands of the Moly troops,
:13:51. > :13:59.who the French and British are supporting. -- Mali drips. It is a
:13:59. > :14:04.very, very difficult conflict. Lance Armstrong in the papers.
:14:04. > :14:12.In the Independent and in the Observer, his public confession on
:14:12. > :14:21.Oprah Winfrey. What did you make of his acting? Whether it was acting!
:14:21. > :14:27.It is about the forum he decides to confess in. A massive TV show. The
:14:27. > :14:31.man who is head of the drugs Investigation Agency in America
:14:31. > :14:36.says he criticised Armstrong for a TV interview over giving formal
:14:36. > :14:41.evidence of a dipping investigation. A few weeks ago Armstrong turned
:14:41. > :14:46.down a chance to give evidence, he chose Oprah Winfrey instead of
:14:46. > :14:52.giving evidence under oath. He is obviously trying to get back into
:14:52. > :14:56.the sport. The big thing in the Observer is about how he calls the
:14:56. > :15:05.to death sentence and his desire is to get back into the sport that he
:15:05. > :15:10.has disgraced so much. This is the Times. David Walsh. That campaigner
:15:10. > :15:14.on it. He wrote a book about him. He says the power of Oprah Winfrey
:15:15. > :15:20.is that when she asked for questions, it was like the story
:15:21. > :15:25.had broken. He wrote a book about it in 2002, I think. Those press
:15:25. > :15:30.conferences that Armstrong orchestrated when he won his 7th
:15:30. > :15:34.Tour de Frances, questions were vetted. He would never answer
:15:34. > :15:43.questions. The people he has let down and the people who shielded
:15:43. > :15:49.I mention the avalanche story, which would be leading every paper
:15:49. > :15:53.if it wasn't for Algeria. Out of order. This is on the Mail on
:15:53. > :15:57.Sunday. It's really shocking. Four climbers killed in an avalanche in
:15:57. > :16:01.the UK. It is the sort of headline you expect to have in Switzerland
:16:01. > :16:10.or France. This happened yesterday. They were part of a party of six.
:16:10. > :16:15.They were swept away on a mountain called Bidean Nam Bian. But, really
:16:15. > :16:20.shocking. A real sign of the very heavy snow we have been having.
:16:20. > :16:27.they saying anything about the climbers being experienced or
:16:27. > :16:31.under-prepared? It doesn't give too much back ground but they are hill
:16:31. > :16:37.walkers who have some such experience otherwise they wouldn't
:16:37. > :16:41.have gone up on a day like yesterday. I did a film in Scotland
:16:41. > :16:45.in Aviemore and worked with the mountain rescue up there. They put
:16:45. > :16:49.their life on the line all the time. It is a tragic story.
:16:49. > :16:59.We'll talk more in a second. We want to speak to you about what you
:16:59. > :17:00.
:17:00. > :17:07.are acting in, at the moment, David. Are we? Can - we have a clip. Shall
:17:07. > :17:13.we play it? If it's not too early in the morning. It is Walking Dead,
:17:13. > :17:18.a TV show. What happened? Guys came through with guns. How many?
:17:18. > :17:24.don't know. Six or seven. I had never seen them before. Are we
:17:24. > :17:28.under attack. Everyone go home, lock your doors. We need to keep
:17:28. > :17:35.everyone safe. Get inside, keep your lights off. It's the same
:17:35. > :17:42.channel that put the Wire out. The cult classic. Tell us about it.
:17:42. > :17:47.It's the third season of the Walking Dead. There is a zombie
:17:47. > :17:51.Apocalypse. It is about communities trying to stay safe in a very
:17:51. > :17:55.difficult environment. It is the most successful show on American
:17:55. > :17:59.television at the moment. I play the governor and he runs a gated
:17:59. > :18:07.community, a protected community. He has done that very well but now
:18:07. > :18:09.he is under threat. And woe beside anyone who crosses his path. Good
:18:09. > :18:12.American accent. Thank you very much. We have seen pictures all
:18:12. > :18:17.over the place with how the Americans deal with snow better
:18:17. > :18:22.than us. We have been brought to be a standstill. Any snow stories you
:18:23. > :18:27.want to hit us with. Heathrow is the one, really. These pictures we
:18:27. > :18:32.all see at this time of year. The terminals looking like refugee
:18:32. > :18:38.camps. It says the snow is the first significant test from the
:18:38. > :18:41.airport since BAA invested �50 million in de-icing and snow-
:18:41. > :18:44.removal equipment after being criticised two years ago by chaos
:18:44. > :18:49.caused by an inch of snow. We had two inches yesterday. They have
:18:49. > :18:55.obviously failed that test. And Steve Greenwood from Yorkshire said,
:18:55. > :19:00."BA stands for bloody awful." That's his quote, not mine. It is a
:19:00. > :19:05.competition between Heathrow and Gatwick as to who can get as many
:19:05. > :19:10.planes off the ground? Did you wake up to fresh snow? At last we are
:19:10. > :19:13.having proper winter weather. With the prospect for today and the
:19:13. > :19:16.coming week, we go to the weather coming week, we go to the weather
:19:16. > :19:20.centre. Absolutely, more snow on the way. A
:19:20. > :19:24.lot of us are not making up to fresh snow but more snow on the way
:19:24. > :19:31.for the south-east. The airports will get the snow as well. The
:19:31. > :19:35.south-east of the UK and then tomorrow, that from from tonight
:19:35. > :19:39.into tomorrow, north-eastern portions. Let's see how it unfolds.
:19:39. > :19:43.The south-east gets the most amount of snow through today. Temperatures
:19:43. > :19:49.around freezing in the London area and most of East Anglia. Just a
:19:49. > :19:54.smidge yon above freezing for other parts of the country. How much will
:19:54. > :19:57.we get? Anywhere between 2-8 centimetres it. Doesn't seem like a
:19:57. > :20:02.lot but remember it is a sensitive portion of the country and a small
:20:02. > :20:08.amount of sno, as we all know, creates a lot of problems. -- snow.
:20:08. > :20:13.The snow will make its journey across the north tonight and across
:20:14. > :20:18.the north-east and into the borders of Scotland around 5.00am. Strong
:20:18. > :20:23.winds. Blowing snow inland. This is where we will see snow. In the
:20:23. > :20:25.hills 15 centimetres, half a foot of snow. Tomorrow morning's rush-
:20:25. > :20:30.hour, worst conditions across northern parts of the UK. It is not
:20:30. > :20:33.over the snow across the south we. Could see more snow anywhere from
:20:33. > :20:38.central southern England and heading into London. In between,
:20:38. > :20:42.for Wales and the south-west, again no significant snowfall over the
:20:42. > :20:47.next 24 hours, but next week, or rather this coming week, further
:20:47. > :20:49.wintry weather on the way. It is not over yet by any means.
:20:49. > :20:53.not over yet by any means. Thank you.
:20:53. > :20:58.The UK Independence Party has taken a very dim view of Britain's
:20:58. > :21:02.membership of the EU. However recent polling suggests I what
:21:02. > :21:08.exercises UKIP voters is not Europe but the thorny issue of immigration.
:21:08. > :21:12.UKIP has seen a surge in support recently and its leader, Nigel
:21:12. > :21:19.Farage has been marketing its party in the words of one commentator, as
:21:19. > :21:23.if it were "a Thatcher-era tribute if it were "a Thatcher-era tribute
:21:23. > :21:28.band." Is it a compliment? Whether you agree with Thatcher or not, at
:21:29. > :21:32.least we had politics of conviction in that period. Ideas and general
:21:33. > :21:37.elections mattered. Now what do we have? Leaders of the so-called main
:21:37. > :21:41.parties, none of whom have had a job and lived in the real world? It
:21:41. > :21:46.is difficult to tell them apart. I'll take it as a compliment.
:21:46. > :21:51.haven't had the come ran speech on the EU, which is much trailed. We
:21:51. > :21:55.are told there is an in-out vote on Europe. If there is, that's your
:21:55. > :21:58.job done, isn't it? Ten years ago you couldn't discuss the question
:21:58. > :22:03.of leading the European Union in polite society. It was considered
:22:03. > :22:06.beyond the pale to talk about it. The very fact a British Prime
:22:06. > :22:10.Minister is making a speech on this is a tribute to the thousands of
:22:10. > :22:15.people who have worked and helped get UKIP established. But job done
:22:15. > :22:18.then, for you lot? No, job done is when firstly we become an
:22:18. > :22:20.independent self-governing nation and secondly, when start to put
:22:20. > :22:26.into practice the things the British economy and British people
:22:26. > :22:30.need for us to be a proper 21st century country, engaged with the
:22:30. > :22:34.world and not just Europe. Are we clear on what in-out means? You
:22:34. > :22:38.have said you can ask that question but others say it is too simplistic.
:22:38. > :22:42.Really the question is simpler than that. The question is: do you wish
:22:42. > :22:47.to govern your own country through the ballot box in a democracy or
:22:47. > :22:55.become a province of a new United States of Europe. That's what it is
:22:55. > :23:00.auld about. That's a load take on it, isn't it -- What it is all
:23:00. > :23:04.about. That is exactly what people fear. At the heart of this is the
:23:04. > :23:08.whole democratic argument - do we want to govern ourselves or are we
:23:08. > :23:15.prepared to accept nearly all of our law comes from somewhere else,
:23:15. > :23:23.over which we only have a tiny say? With Lee we leave, we lose the
:23:23. > :23:27.trade people say -- -- if we leave. We do a huge amount of trade with
:23:27. > :23:31.the EU and we would do less. The EU is an important marketplace.
:23:31. > :23:35.Something like 40% of our overseas trade goes into European Union
:23:35. > :23:38.countries. That is true. That figure declines every year as the
:23:38. > :23:42.EU itself becomes a smaller part of the global economy. But we want to
:23:42. > :23:48.go on doing business with the EU and we will. They might not want it
:23:48. > :23:55.on the same terms. They deaf fitly won't. The last year for which we
:23:55. > :24:00.have trade figures. They told us �56 billion more than we sold them
:24:00. > :24:04.flos. Prospect of Mercedes and Volkswagen not wanting to sell
:24:04. > :24:11.their cars in this country because we are not part of the a political
:24:11. > :24:15.union. What about the big question. Soon as you say we will have an in-
:24:15. > :24:20.out referendum, you create uncertainty and people don't
:24:20. > :24:24.invest? There is uncertainty staying in the EU. Goodness knows
:24:24. > :24:28.what legislation they will come up with over financial services and
:24:28. > :24:32.the environment. The world is uncertain. Even if we accepted that
:24:32. > :24:35.argument, that means what Mr Cameron ought to do is to say -
:24:35. > :24:39.right we are going to have a full, free and fair referendum on this
:24:39. > :24:44.before the next general election. What this speech apparently is
:24:44. > :24:47.going to offer us is the idea that if he wins the next general
:24:47. > :24:50.election - which looks doubtful - after a renegotiation, which I
:24:50. > :24:53.don't believe to be possible because the other Member States of
:24:53. > :24:57.Europe aren't in the mood, then in five years' time he will give us a
:24:57. > :25:02.referendum. The trouble is, we have heard this all before from Mr
:25:02. > :25:06.Cameron. Frankly, I don't trust him. Is your party ready for the big
:25:06. > :25:11.time people ask? People say - they look at the members who start
:25:11. > :25:21.populateing your forums and some are Reyesists and anti-gay -- are
:25:21. > :25:23.
:25:23. > :25:28.racists. I don't think the racist slur works. We are the only party
:25:28. > :25:34.in British politics who don't allow people to be a member if they have
:25:34. > :25:42.been part of the BNP. We are a party that believes in free speech.
:25:42. > :25:47.I know on forums, people go over the top. Somebody said in your
:25:47. > :25:52.forum - schizophrenia is caused by black inbreeding in the Caribbean.
:25:52. > :25:56.Labour would say throw them out people go over the top we do throw
:25:56. > :26:01.them out. Over the last few years, people have been removed from UKIP.
:26:01. > :26:08.There is a balance between free speech and fre debate.
:26:08. > :26:13.A senior member be branded gi rights a lunatics charter. What is
:26:13. > :26:17.she doing in the party? -- gay rights. She is not a senior member.
:26:17. > :26:22.She is still in the party. She has resigned as an officer ever Will of
:26:22. > :26:26.our Oxford branches I'm pleased to say. You do not throw people out.
:26:26. > :26:29.This happens, don't think it is just UKIP. It happens in the Tory
:26:29. > :26:33.and Labour Party. All party leaders face this. What about a possible
:26:33. > :26:39.alyance with the Conservatives now? I thought we were going to laugh
:26:39. > :26:43.when I said that. If you go foot next election and let's say the
:26:43. > :26:45.Coalition falls apart but they are the biggest party and turn to you.
:26:46. > :26:49.I think with David Cameron as leader it is impossible to
:26:49. > :26:52.contemplate. It is interesting, Ed Miliband, Nick Clegg, they don't
:26:52. > :26:56.agree with what UKIP stands for but they recognise we have a sensible
:26:56. > :27:02.point of have you that is held by a large number of people in this
:27:02. > :27:07.country. Mr Cameron, whenever he is asked about UKIP throws abuse at us
:27:07. > :27:11.and calls us nutters and closet race racists. I don't think there
:27:11. > :27:14.is any prospect of us doing a dealing with the Conservative Party
:27:15. > :27:19.with Mr Cameron in charge. On a national level but maybe local
:27:19. > :27:23.deals, maybe moving aside when you like the cut of a particular
:27:23. > :27:27.Conservative candidate? It may happen but it is not my priority.
:27:27. > :27:30.My priority is to take UKIP forwards. People support us because
:27:30. > :27:37.of where we stand on Europe and on open-door immigration and where we
:27:37. > :27:41.stand on windfarms springing up and where we stand on attitudes towards
:27:41. > :27:46.small business. My job is to push this party forwards, not drag it
:27:46. > :27:51.back. Thank you for joining us. Steven Spielberg is surely one of
:27:51. > :27:56.the most successful Hollywood film directors of all time. In a career
:27:57. > :28:03.spanning nearly 40 years he has mastered every genre from sci-fi
:28:03. > :28:09.action and adventure to war-time dramas. Close Encounters, Jaws, ET,
:28:09. > :28:12.Jurassic Park, it's Indiana Jones movies, he has a roll-call of box
:28:13. > :28:17.office hits and then there is Schindler's List addressing the
:28:17. > :28:24.Holocaust for which he won his second os ka and Saving Private
:28:24. > :28:29.Ryan. Well his latest film, Lincoln is a homage to the President who
:28:29. > :28:34.ended the Civil War and slavery in America. It features a towering
:28:34. > :28:41.performance from Daniel Day-Lewis. But there are precious few battle
:28:41. > :28:45.scenes. It focuses on the political horse-trading by which Abraham
:28:45. > :28:50.Lincoln achieves his ends. Steven Spielberg spoke to me yesterday
:28:50. > :28:54.from Paris. I asked him why he chose to tell Lincoln's story in
:28:54. > :28:59.that way. There was no way I could possibly communicate the greatness
:28:59. > :29:04.of Abraham Lincoln and the flaws and the prevarications and all the
:29:04. > :29:10.things he was both extoled and criticised for, without allowing
:29:10. > :29:13.all of us to explore Lincoln doing work, doing one very, very
:29:13. > :29:19.critically important thing. And to see him in the process of politics,
:29:19. > :29:26.to see him as a working President, not as a sitting or opposing
:29:26. > :29:31.President, from my way of thinking, was the only way to give - share
:29:31. > :29:39.our insights into him with everyone else. We'll win the war, Sir, it is
:29:39. > :29:43.inevitable, isn't it? We ain't won yet. You'll begin your second term
:29:43. > :29:50.a semi divine stature. Imagine the possibilities peace will bring. Why
:29:50. > :29:55.battle in the House? It is a rat's nest in it there. The same gang of
:29:55. > :30:00.talentless hicks and hacks who rejected the amendment ten months
:30:00. > :30:05.ago. We'll lose. I like our chances now. Have you ever had to chase an
:30:05. > :30:10.actor as hard as you chased Daniel Day-Lewis?? It was harder to get
:30:10. > :30:17.him to commit to playing Lincoln than it was to get Kate to marry me.
:30:17. > :30:21.You did it. Give us some lessons for the modern day. It is an
:30:21. > :30:25.absolutely gripping film but it takes place obviously more than 150
:30:25. > :30:28.years ago. I'm wondering, I know President Obama has seen this in
:30:28. > :30:31.the White House, he is inaugurated tomorrow for his second term. I
:30:31. > :30:34.don't know what he said to you after he watched it, but what is
:30:34. > :30:43.the message you hope the sitting President will get out of your
:30:43. > :30:49.A great President like Lincoln his mind full, patient, compassionate
:30:49. > :30:53.and not afraid to compromise. He knew there was already a great
:30:53. > :30:58.divide between the sovereign states and the northern states over
:30:58. > :31:07.slavery. -- Southern states. To further be divided in what to do
:31:07. > :31:11.about it would have made this war go on and on. This is a story about
:31:11. > :31:16.leadership, but it's also a story about the right man at the right
:31:16. > :31:21.time. I'm not sure Abraham Lincoln with the TV camera now the fourth
:31:21. > :31:25.branch of government, I'm not sure the camera would have liked Lincoln
:31:25. > :31:34.enough that he would have been able to become Mayor of the city in this
:31:34. > :31:40.day and age! Lincoln's credo from the beginning was Union. Underneath
:31:40. > :31:46.that, he knew that slavery, which caused the splitting up other
:31:46. > :31:50.country, needed to be ended legally first before the war finished.
:31:50. > :31:57.wondering whether there's a moderate -- modern parallel.
:31:57. > :32:02.Whether politicians have to search harder for right and wrong. Look at
:32:03. > :32:09.gun-control for President Obama. is gun-control, immigration, but
:32:09. > :32:17.the jobless rate, the economy in America. It is outsourcing jobs. It
:32:17. > :32:21.is so many different things. Instead of the civil war that
:32:21. > :32:25.threatened to end democracy in our nation forever, instead of that
:32:25. > :32:33.it's just a lot of very, very critical issues, critical to
:32:33. > :32:38.mainstream America. I really believe in Barack Obama, I think he
:32:38. > :32:42.will do amazing in the second term. The one lesson to learn from
:32:42. > :32:48.Lincoln is you've got to commit to something and you've got to fight
:32:48. > :32:52.tooth and nail for it. Kit is not just link and the politician, it is
:32:52. > :32:57.Lincoln these human being and particularly Lincoln the father. We
:32:57. > :33:04.come back to a theme that goes through so many of your films, from
:33:04. > :33:09.ET with the absent father, Jaws, the father in prison in Schiegl and
:33:09. > :33:14.Express, the father a child relationship is central for you.
:33:14. > :33:21.that sense maybe Lincoln is the Gruber father of all my films!
:33:21. > :33:29.might not even want to be a lawyer. It is a sturdy profession. And a
:33:29. > :33:35.useful one. I want to be useful, but now, not afterwards. I am not
:33:35. > :33:39.wearing those things. You are delaying, your favourite tactic.
:33:39. > :33:45.You won't tell me no, but the war will be over in a month. Her I made
:33:45. > :33:50.a lot of conscious choices about my films that have a father-son
:33:50. > :33:54.dynamic. This was a father and a country about to be torn in half
:33:54. > :34:02.and what he did about it. I don't consider this movie to be about my
:34:02. > :34:07.own dad. I'm not indulging myself in that old habit. This is about an
:34:07. > :34:12.extraordinary figure in not just American history, but world history.
:34:12. > :34:18.When you look at your most personal films, they're all personal to some
:34:18. > :34:23.degree, but your most personal ones, would you pick a couple at? If they
:34:23. > :34:32.all personal because it is not an impersonal art form. It never has
:34:32. > :34:38.been. ET comes to mind. That had the most profound impact on my life.
:34:38. > :34:43.I wanted to have kids after kind of raising those children for three
:34:43. > :34:48.months as the director, as the surrogate dad. I had never been
:34:48. > :34:52.seized with any notion to have children of my own, but after ET,
:34:52. > :34:55.that changed my life. I go to the cinema with my young kids and
:34:55. > :35:02.everybody is coming out of the screen and every shot is three
:35:02. > :35:07.seconds long. It is not just three D, it is CGI, everything. You are
:35:07. > :35:11.about stories. You must want to resist that. I like an audience to
:35:11. > :35:15.participate in the story I'm telling. If an audience has a
:35:15. > :35:19.chance to look at a movie that isn't so quickly cut that they get
:35:19. > :35:23.to make visual choices themselves of who and when to look at
:35:23. > :35:28.something or someone, I feel that makes the audience a collaborator
:35:28. > :35:32.with me as a film-maker. My movies don't move as fast as some of the
:35:32. > :35:38.current pictures. If it is a good story, that is the only important
:35:39. > :35:47.thing. No matter what technology comes along, whether it is three D
:35:47. > :35:50.of virtual reality, you have to tell a good story. I wanted to ask
:35:50. > :35:54.you about Alfred Hitchcock fair run stories about the dealings you had
:35:54. > :36:02.with him at the start of your career. Did you meet him? What was
:36:02. > :36:07.he like as Mike I never met him. tried to. I went on the set of torn
:36:07. > :36:11.Curtain and the assistant director of threw me off. After I made Jaws
:36:12. > :36:17.I went on to the set of his last film and I got to see him from the
:36:17. > :36:22.back. I was behind him, about 20 feet. He couldn't possibly have
:36:22. > :36:26.seen me, but he made a gesture like this with his finger. The assistant
:36:26. > :36:32.director walked over and Hitchcock was did to him. The assistant
:36:32. > :36:38.director turned and looked directly to me. He asked me to leave. I had
:36:38. > :36:42.a journalist with me doing a story about my directing jaws. It was
:36:42. > :36:47.kind of an embarrassing situation. I had brought a journalist to say I
:36:47. > :36:55.can get onto a Hitchcock set. He threw both of us off! That is my
:36:55. > :37:00.only story about him. Those and all of his great films. Finally, any
:37:00. > :37:06.sense of the future? There is talk of you doing Star Wars seven. I
:37:06. > :37:12.wonder if you might make a film about Barack Obama. Any hints?
:37:12. > :37:17.no. I've told George Lucas in the past for time the guy that brings
:37:17. > :37:23.the aliens down to earth, I am not the guy finding them in outer space.
:37:23. > :37:26.I'm not his man for Star Wars. 7, 8, 20, whatever, it is not me. I have
:37:26. > :37:33.a lot of movies I am interested in making, but they're all in
:37:33. > :37:38.different stages of development. It is always fun to go back to work do
:37:38. > :37:41.find out which movies will grip me. Great to talk to you, thank you.
:37:41. > :37:45.Thank you. The director Steven Spielberg -
:37:45. > :37:48.another victim of the bad weather. We were due to meet in London, but
:37:48. > :37:50.he got stuck in Paris, poor man. By the way, there'll be a longer
:37:50. > :37:53.version of that interview on our website.
:37:53. > :38:02.The hostage crisis in Algeria was brought to an end yesterday, but
:38:02. > :38:04.further loss of life was reported. The Prime Minister said this
:38:05. > :38:08.morning that three British nationals have died and a further
:38:08. > :38:14.three are feared to have died and a pressure Dresden was also killed. I
:38:14. > :38:19.am joined by William Hague. You have some precision now about
:38:19. > :38:25.the numbers on the British side. The numbers have got clearer with
:38:25. > :38:30.the end of the military operations. There are three British nationals
:38:30. > :38:36.who have died and through whom we believed to have died, in addition
:38:36. > :38:40.to one person who is not a British national, but was resident in the
:38:40. > :38:47.UK. There were 22 other British nationals caught up in this
:38:47. > :38:52.terrible ordeal. They are now back in the UK. We brought them back and
:38:52. > :38:57.BP brought others back on chartered flights overnight. They are being
:38:57. > :39:04.reunited with their loved ones. Chrabot from the people who have
:39:04. > :39:09.died, everybody is now accounted for. -- apart from the people.
:39:09. > :39:14.There were conflicting accounts today over whether those who died
:39:14. > :39:18.in the last 24-48 hours were killed before the final assault and
:39:18. > :39:23.triggered the final assault or whether they were killed during it.
:39:23. > :39:28.Do you know? Not yet. There will be a process of debriefing people who
:39:28. > :39:32.have been hostages, but it is very important that they are first
:39:32. > :39:38.reunited with their families. There will be further discussions with
:39:38. > :39:41.the Algerians. The Algerians believed that the lives of the
:39:41. > :39:46.hostages were always in imminent danger, that the terrorists were
:39:46. > :39:51.planning to blow up the entire installation. That is what the
:39:51. > :39:56.Algerian foreign minister told me yesterday. This is one of the
:39:56. > :40:00.reasons why they acted as they did. There's controversy and speculation
:40:00. > :40:07.about that, but the full picture will take some time to emerge.
:40:07. > :40:10.of the papers has the word executed. I don't know... That is presumably
:40:10. > :40:15.speculation, that they were not killed and a battle, but
:40:15. > :40:20.deliberately killed. It is speculation. I hope and believe
:40:20. > :40:25.that picture will become clearer, but we don't know that definitively.
:40:26. > :40:30.That sort of thing is quite likely to have happened. Quite likely?
:40:30. > :40:35.From the nature of the terrorists involved, the nature of their
:40:35. > :40:38.captivity the imposed on the hostages and of course the Algerian
:40:38. > :40:44.forces, although sometimes criticised, will have taken every
:40:44. > :40:48.care they could to save life. Whatever people think about them
:40:48. > :40:53.and whatever has been said about the Algerian military, they are
:40:53. > :41:01.experienced. In the 1990s they fought a very long battle against
:41:01. > :41:05.an insurgency. You are looking at a very experienced and powerful army.
:41:05. > :41:11.That raises the question about whether they went into hard. In a
:41:11. > :41:14.situation like that, that can be a mistake as well. It can. As we know
:41:14. > :41:19.ourselves from the very difficult decisions about when to launch a
:41:19. > :41:23.hostage rescues, and we've been faced with these decisions on a
:41:23. > :41:27.smaller scale several times over the last few years. Sometimes we've
:41:27. > :41:32.pulled a hostage out allied and sometimes sadly not. You have to
:41:32. > :41:38.balance these things. How imminent is the threat to life? What are the
:41:38. > :41:43.chances of success? What are the chances of negotiation? The
:41:43. > :41:50.Argyriou and authorities will have had to bear all of that in mind. --
:41:50. > :41:55.at the Algerian authorities. We would have liked to have been
:41:55. > :41:58.consulted, but they decided, as a sovereign country, that this was
:41:58. > :42:04.something on their soil that they would deal with and they needed to
:42:04. > :42:09.deal with it urgently. Therefore it is important not to jump into
:42:09. > :42:13.criticised from what we know at the moment. We need to continue to work
:42:13. > :42:17.with them over the coming days, not only to learn more about what
:42:17. > :42:24.happened and learn lessons together about dealing with any future such
:42:24. > :42:29.incidents, but also we are working with them on the identification and
:42:29. > :42:34.repatriation of the bodies of those British nationals killed. You say
:42:34. > :42:38.it is their sovereign soil, but it is to some extent our citizens
:42:38. > :42:42.involved and therefore you might have been expected to brought in. I
:42:42. > :42:46.wonder whether you think they were too worried about the actual plant
:42:46. > :42:51.being destroyed, for example. That might be a consideration you would
:42:51. > :42:56.not have wanted them to have. these are legitimate questions. We
:42:56. > :42:59.have talked to them a great deal. The Prime Minister has had many
:42:59. > :43:03.conversations with the Prime Minister of Algeria. They've been
:43:03. > :43:08.very responsive to the need for constant discussion, but they did
:43:08. > :43:17.not consult anybody before launching that operation. Fees are
:43:17. > :43:21.other situations -- these are extraordinary difficult situations.
:43:21. > :43:26.These are people who have also lost their nationals, who have suffered
:43:26. > :43:31.a terrorist attack on their soil. For people who were responsible for
:43:31. > :43:37.what happened of the cold-blooded murderers who while the terrorists,
:43:37. > :43:42.for which there is no political justification of any kind. We
:43:42. > :43:46.should also show our clear sympathy and solidarity with the people of
:43:46. > :43:51.Algeria and the government of Algeria at such a difficult time.
:43:51. > :43:55.Let's talk about the threat. It is not just Algeria. In the last two
:43:55. > :43:59.weeks there has been a lot of coverage of al-Qaeda in Mali.
:43:59. > :44:06.That's right. There are links between groups in many different
:44:06. > :44:13.countries. Al-Qaeda deer -- al- Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb. In
:44:13. > :44:17.the case of northern Mali, and insurgency allied with elements of
:44:17. > :44:21.al-Qaeda has been able to gain control of the north of that
:44:21. > :44:28.country. It has threatened the centre of that country. That is why
:44:28. > :44:34.France intervened militarily slowly -- militarily. This has been an
:44:34. > :44:40.emerging problem for some time. Ferag deep problems -- there are
:44:40. > :44:44.deep problems in Africa, including humanitarian problems. For some
:44:44. > :44:48.time, we've been working on this. We are helping hundreds of
:44:48. > :44:52.thousands of people with humanitarian aid, we've increased
:44:52. > :44:56.counter-terrorism work, we are working with France and the United
:44:56. > :45:00.Nations to try to bring political stability. With that situation
:45:00. > :45:05.ongoing, it has not grown up in the last couple of weeks, if you were
:45:05. > :45:13.are a British national working in an oil or gas installation been the
:45:13. > :45:19.Sahara, in any of those countries, It depends where you are. Algeria,
:45:19. > :45:22.Mali, you name it. There are places in that region where we already
:45:22. > :45:28.advise against all travel. And after the French intervention we
:45:28. > :45:33.called for - we advised in our travel advice, additional vigilance.
:45:33. > :45:37.There are vast areas of the Sahara where we advise against all but
:45:37. > :45:42.essential travel. This wasn't one of them. The place where that gas
:45:42. > :45:47.plant was, was an area where you were saying - don't go. Not saying
:45:47. > :45:51.don't go, but we advised regional vigilance. There was no specific
:45:51. > :45:56.intelligence about this attack, so we couldn't warn people about that.
:45:56. > :45:59.Is it a difficult and dangerous area? Yes, it is. Do look it the
:45:59. > :46:04.nations of that region to protect our nationals, to police their
:46:04. > :46:11.borders effectively and so on? Yes, of course, we do. Bearing in
:46:11. > :46:14.maintained these are vast and Avon unmarked borders in one of the most
:46:14. > :46:19.inhospitable regions of the world. You wouldn't widen your advice to
:46:19. > :46:24.say - British workers in the Sahara, don't go? Or don't go without
:46:24. > :46:29.military? The advice - our travel advice already states that -
:46:29. > :46:33.against all but essential travel to within 450 kilometres of the
:46:33. > :46:37.borders of Mali or 100 kilometres of the borders of Mauritania, if
:46:37. > :46:42.you are in Algeria. The advice is quite specific. We will keep that
:46:42. > :46:48.up-to-date of course based on all the information we have. What about
:46:48. > :46:52.the direct action by the British, by this country, against Al-Qaeda
:46:52. > :46:56.in this area? In Mali we are behind the French, rather than alongside
:46:56. > :47:01.them, aren't we? Yes, we are. Of course, we will work with other
:47:01. > :47:07.nations across the region. It is working with the countries of that
:47:07. > :47:11.region to address not only any military situation, but to make
:47:11. > :47:15.political progress, to try to separate from Al-Qaeda other people
:47:15. > :47:20.who are very discontented with their position in the world and
:47:20. > :47:24.with their situation, but are not the sort of murders who we have
:47:24. > :47:27.seen launching this attack. So that is very important, too and
:47:27. > :47:32.delivering the humanitarian assistance. We can make progress in
:47:32. > :47:36.these situation bus we have to do it urgently. Last -- in these
:47:36. > :47:40.situations but we have to do it urgently. If you look at the other
:47:40. > :47:45.end of Africa, which has also had huge problems with insurgency, with
:47:45. > :47:49.familiarin and a failed state in Somalia. Since the London
:47:49. > :47:56.conference in February, we have a legitimate government and progress
:47:56. > :48:00.made by African forces against an Al-Qaeda-associated insurgency, a
:48:00. > :48:04.reduction in pirate attacks. We have to make this progress in the
:48:04. > :48:10.west of Africa, but without going through 20 years of being a failed
:48:10. > :48:14.state as somealia. This has to be our objective. You obviously have
:48:14. > :48:18.conversations with the frefpblg and with Hillary Clinton in the USA --
:48:18. > :48:21.with the French. Is it still operating with their
:48:21. > :48:24.forces rather than going into directly? The primary way of
:48:24. > :48:28.operating has to be with the countries of the region. That is
:48:28. > :48:34.the only way to enjoy the greatest- possible legitimacy and bring about
:48:34. > :48:38.a political solution. Obviously there are disadvantages to putting
:48:38. > :48:44.forces from another continent in African soil. The French have had
:48:44. > :48:48.to do what they have done. This was an emergency. We support them. The
:48:48. > :48:51.insurgency was starting it threaten the capital of Mali itself. But our
:48:51. > :48:56.primary way of working has to be with the forces and political
:48:56. > :49:00.leaders of the countries of that region, so that the people and
:49:01. > :49:06.leaders of that region own the solution. Should people be worried,
:49:06. > :49:11.though, about this gradually sucking Britain in directly? Well,
:49:11. > :49:15.I think people would support the approach that I have just laid out.
:49:15. > :49:19.Clearly in the case of Mali we have not sent British combat troops. We
:49:19. > :49:24.will take part in training in the EU military training mission that
:49:24. > :49:28.was decided on last week, to help the African forces in the region.
:49:28. > :49:31.We are helping the French. So that's how we are going about it
:49:31. > :49:35.and very much directed at supporting a political process as
:49:35. > :49:41.well. I can't really stress that strongly enough. There isn't a
:49:41. > :49:46.military solution to all the problems of the area. There is a
:49:46. > :49:50.complex mixture of political and economic solutions and we have to
:49:50. > :49:53.work at at that with the United Nations and with France and the
:49:53. > :49:57.countries of the region. Let's move to the EU speech that was going to
:49:57. > :50:01.happen and didn't. It has been scheduled for a while. It keeps not
:50:01. > :50:06.happening. When is it happening? This Prime Minister's EU speech?
:50:06. > :50:10.will happen this week. It would have happened on Friday but
:50:10. > :50:14.everybody undersnands these circumstances it was necessary to
:50:14. > :50:18.postpone the speech -- everybody understands in these circumstances.
:50:18. > :50:22.It will happen in the coming week. We will make an announcement about
:50:22. > :50:26.when and where tomorrow. Is this your party running scared the of
:50:26. > :50:30.the guy we had on earlier, Nigel Farage? No, it is about doing what
:50:30. > :50:33.is best in the interests of this country and also about democracy in
:50:33. > :50:36.this country. And the Prime Minister and I have said last year
:50:36. > :50:40.that we want to get a better relationship with the European
:50:41. > :50:44.Union. There are changes we want in that relationship. Though we also
:50:44. > :50:48.need to see how the changes in the eurozone are affecting the European
:50:48. > :50:53.Union and how that affects this country and receiptlationship of
:50:53. > :50:57.the countries of the EU together -- the relationship. But when we have
:50:57. > :51:01.done these things, there is a strong consensus for fresh consent
:51:01. > :51:05.for the people of this country having their say. Which is an in-
:51:05. > :51:10.out referendum as discussed earlier? Well wait for the speech.
:51:10. > :51:15.It is leaked over the papers. will have to seat speech in its
:51:15. > :51:19.entirety to get the full context. - - see the speech. It is about this
:51:19. > :51:23.country and about make success of the membership of the European
:51:23. > :51:27.Union but with democratic consent for that, in its modern form, in
:51:27. > :51:32.the best form that we can bring about. I remember watching you in
:51:33. > :51:38.the 2001 general election, ten days to save the pound and all that, I'm
:51:38. > :51:42.asieming you will vote "out", will you? -- assuming. The Prime
:51:42. > :51:46.Minister will make clear his approach, which is similar to my
:51:46. > :51:50.approach, which is that we want to succeed in the European Union, an
:51:50. > :51:53.outward looking EU to succeed in the world and for the United
:51:54. > :51:59.Kingdom to succeed in that. We have to recognise that the European
:51:59. > :52:03.Union has changed a lot since the referendum of 1975. There have been
:52:03. > :52:08.not only great achievements to the EUs name but things that have gone
:52:08. > :52:12.wrong such as the euro. I was right in 2001 to argue that we shouldn't
:52:12. > :52:16.join the euro. We must never join it. The message to the EU is - must
:52:16. > :52:21.change or the UK may leave? That's the fundamental message? Well the
:52:21. > :52:24.EU must change. It is having to change in many ways because.
:52:24. > :52:29.Eurozone crisis. There are ways in which we want it to change as well
:52:29. > :52:33.that will make it better for the UK but that will also make it better
:52:33. > :52:37.for the other nations of Europe. The Prime Minister will set out the
:52:37. > :52:40.case for that in his speech and how we should go about seeking
:52:40. > :52:46.democratic consent for that. I think that would be the right way
:52:46. > :52:49.forward for the interests of this country. Now the news headlines:
:52:50. > :52:53.The Prime Minister has confirmed that there has been a number of
:52:53. > :52:56.British deaths in the Algerian hostage crisis. David Cameron said
:52:56. > :53:01.that three British nationals were killed, and a further three are
:53:01. > :53:05.believed to be dead. A British resident also died. Algerian
:53:05. > :53:08.special forces ended the siege at a gas facility in the Sahara
:53:08. > :53:12.yesterday because they said that the Islamist kidnappers were
:53:12. > :53:16.planning to blow up the site. Mr Cameron made a statement about the
:53:17. > :53:20.latest developments just over an hour ago. Of course people will ask
:53:20. > :53:24.questions about the Algerian response to these events but I
:53:24. > :53:27.would just say that the responsibility for these deaths
:53:28. > :53:32.lies squarely with the terrorists who launched this vicious and
:53:32. > :53:37.cowardly attack. I would also say that when you are dealing with a
:53:37. > :53:42.terrorist incident on this scale, with up to 30 terrorists, it is
:53:42. > :53:45.extremely difficult to respond and to get this right in every respect.
:53:45. > :53:49.The Foreign Secretary, William Hague, told this programme that the
:53:49. > :53:53.Algerian armed forces were very experienced and would have taken
:53:53. > :53:55.every care to save the lives of hostages during their military
:53:55. > :53:59.operation. He said that the surviving Britons had all been
:53:59. > :54:02.traced and some returned to the UK overnight. Mr Hague also confirmed
:54:02. > :54:04.that the Prime Minister's speech about Europe, delayed because of
:54:04. > :54:10.the hostage crisis, will take place this week.
:54:10. > :54:13.That's all from me for now. The next news on BBC One is at midday.
:54:14. > :54:18.We'll get tpwook Jeremy and guests in a moment but first a look at
:54:18. > :54:26.what it coming up after this programme. -- we'll get back to
:54:26. > :54:30.Jeremy. Join us in a snow-free Glasgow where after Lance
:54:30. > :54:35.Armstrong's confess, we will ask - is it ever too late to confess. We
:54:35. > :54:39.will be asking if girls are being robbed of innocence and as we talk
:54:39. > :54:44.about legal highs, we will ask - should it be legal to get high?
:54:44. > :54:49.The Foreign Secretary is still with me and we are joined by Nigel
:54:49. > :54:53.Farage and Deborah Haynes. You could sort it all out now, you two,
:54:53. > :54:58.this in-out referendum? You will have to wait for the speech. I'm
:54:58. > :55:01.sure he is, yes. It is clear what the Foreign Secretary said - he
:55:01. > :55:04.wants to us stay in and wants it to change. I think what is happening,
:55:04. > :55:08.we will get the speech and the Conservative Party will launch a
:55:08. > :55:13.fif-year campaign to keep us in the European Union. -- five year. It is
:55:13. > :55:17.clear what the terms will be. It is reminiscent of 1975 when Harold
:55:17. > :55:21.Wilson came back with a cosmetic renegotiation. Don't let him take
:55:21. > :55:24.over. It is about doing what is best for the country and people
:55:24. > :55:29.will have their say. In general elections or referendums. Why not
:55:29. > :55:32.now? It is very important not only for people to be able to see what
:55:32. > :55:35.happens in the eurozone crisis, and how it affects the rest of the
:55:35. > :55:39.European Union and to see whether we can succeed and how we can
:55:39. > :55:42.succeed in improving our relationship. People will want to
:55:43. > :55:47.note answer. Is this a good use of political time for the governing
:55:47. > :55:50.party, do you think? At a time like at the moment when you are facing a
:55:50. > :55:53.massive crisis in Africa, I guess it is a bit of ady version but it
:55:53. > :55:57.is a huge issue that affects everyone in the country. People are
:55:57. > :56:00.really - people care more about that, really, than they care about
:56:00. > :56:04.Al-Qaeda killing people in Africa. I guess compared to the economy and
:56:04. > :56:09.all those issues you deal West Africary day, the 2001 election,
:56:09. > :56:12.which we mentioned, you in the end went back to some more local
:56:12. > :56:16.issues? Well all of the issues matter in politics. What happens in
:56:16. > :56:21.the European Union matters. It affects so many things, so many
:56:21. > :56:26.aspects of people's lives. It does. I agree with that entirely. Some
:56:26. > :56:30.would argue neglecttively, some positively, some would say there is
:56:30. > :56:34.a mixture and we have to improve how much affects our lives
:56:34. > :56:38.positively. That is the majority view. David Cameron before gave us
:56:38. > :56:42.a cast-iron guarantee he would give us a referendum over Lisbon and
:56:42. > :56:51.this becomes a question of trust. That's almost it for this week.
:56:51. > :56:55.Sophie Raworth will be here next Sunday at 9.00pm --am, and eel'
:56:55. > :57:00.talk to the Deputy Prime Minister, Nick Clegg and she'll also be
:57:00. > :57:05.talking to Daniel Day-Lewis. We'll leave you now with a wonderful song
:57:05. > :57:11.frn a bright new star from British music -- a wonderful song from a
:57:11. > :57:21.Brit new star from British music, Josephine and the title song from
:57:21. > :57:24.
:57:24. > :57:31.her new album. # We are, are society
:57:31. > :57:38.# We are, what we saw on tv # When we were tiny
:57:38. > :57:45.# Am I a portrait of the person I'm supposed to be?
:57:45. > :57:55.# Am I a portrait of the person I'm supposed to be?
:57:55. > :57:57.
:57:57. > :58:07.# And how would I know? # We are constantly, trying to
:58:07. > :58:07.
:58:07. > :58:13.prove our world -- worth # Building higher and
:58:13. > :58:23.higher, the writings on the wall # Every rose we grow, we named it
:58:23. > :58:28.
:58:28. > :58:35.# Am I a portrait of the person I'm supposed to be?
:58:35. > :58:45.# Am I a portrait of the person I'm supposed to be?
:58:45. > :58:53.
:58:53. > :58:56.# And how would I know? # If I'm a portrait of the person
:58:56. > :59:02.I'm supposed to be # How would I know?
:59:02. > :59:10.# If I'm a portrait of the person I'm supposed to be