:00:44. > :00:48.Good morning. If I can give you one piece of advice today, and it is to
:00:48. > :00:52.avoid the newspapers if you are preparing the Sunday roast, and
:00:52. > :00:58.whatever it is, could well, because horsemeat is in the headlines. Last
:00:58. > :01:06.week, we disinterred the monarch who wanted a horse, now we cannot
:01:06. > :01:14.move for it. To discuss the newspapers, Margaret Hodge, and
:01:14. > :01:17.Conservative commentator Tim A few months ago, the NHS was being
:01:17. > :01:25.celebrated at the Olympics ceremony as one of the glories of Britain.
:01:25. > :01:30.This report told a very different story at Mid Staffordshire Hospital.
:01:30. > :01:34.It is fortuitous that the Health Secretary is going to unveil plans
:01:34. > :01:39.for long-term care for the elderly. He hopes these plans might keep all
:01:39. > :01:43.the people out of hospital in the first place. Jeremy Hunt is here to
:01:43. > :01:46.discuss this important reform. We're also talking about care and
:01:46. > :01:51.compassion in the health service, and whether doctors, nurses and
:01:51. > :01:58.managers should be more accountable when things go wrong. This morning,
:01:58. > :02:01.she claims to be the only political party leader who can shear a sheep.
:02:01. > :02:05.She learned the skill in her native Australia. Natalie Bennett from the
:02:05. > :02:09.Green Party is here. With pressure to build more Houses and roads,
:02:09. > :02:19.what is the green answer to the challenges facing 21st century
:02:19. > :02:25.Britain? With the BAFTAs awards looming, Dame Judi Dench, star of
:02:25. > :02:29.the latest James Bond and film, Skyfall. She speaks about playing M,
:02:29. > :02:35.the role which has won her an international following, and how
:02:35. > :02:41.she finally comes out from behind her desk in this film. I got into
:02:41. > :02:51.shed 19, we learn how to shoot a gun. I love it. We will have a
:02:51. > :02:58.
:02:58. > :03:02.music from the renowned cellist First, the news. The Government is
:03:02. > :03:06.expected to extend a freeze on the amount people can inherit tax free
:03:06. > :03:12.to help pay for more state-funded care for the elderly in England.
:03:12. > :03:19.The amount will be pecked at the hundred and �25,000 for individuals,
:03:19. > :03:23.dragging more people into inheritance tax. -- �325,000. The
:03:23. > :03:30.Government will announce it will cap the cost of social care for
:03:30. > :03:34.�75,000. They will also extend state help �100,000 more than the
:03:35. > :03:44.current limit. Retailers have agreed to carry out more thorough
:03:44. > :03:47.testing of beef products after some find more 100 horsemeat in product.
:03:47. > :03:57.The government has warned it is likely to be found in many more
:03:57. > :04:07.products. It is the scandal that has left many feeling decidedly
:04:07. > :04:08.
:04:08. > :04:12.unwell. Processed food containing at most 100% horsemeat. With the
:04:12. > :04:15.scandal beginning more than a month ago, questions are being asked why
:04:15. > :04:20.they did not take this action they did not take this action
:04:20. > :04:24.sooner. If ministers had advised that this three-week ago, they
:04:24. > :04:27.could have been providing reassurance to consumers that the
:04:27. > :04:32.products were now say. Environment Secretary has warned
:04:32. > :04:35.the results of this Test could bring more bad news. The body
:04:35. > :04:38.representing school caterers says they are as certain as anybody
:04:38. > :04:48.could be that horsemeat is not being used in schools, but
:04:48. > :04:49.
:04:49. > :04:56.certainty is not in much supply. The product's at the centre of this,
:04:56. > :05:02.the lasagne, came from meat that was from Romania. The government
:05:02. > :05:05.says Ackerman all -- the government says a criminal conspiracy could be
:05:06. > :05:10.behind this. They will be monitoring stricter rules for the
:05:10. > :05:16.food industry. A fox has attacked a four-week-old
:05:16. > :05:19.baby at his family home in Bromley in south-east London. Unconfirmed
:05:19. > :05:24.newspaper reports said plastic surgeons had reattached the finger
:05:24. > :05:28.after it was bitten off. The Mayor of London, Boris Johnson, has
:05:28. > :05:33.called on local councils to do more to tackle the problem of urban
:05:33. > :05:37.foxes, of which there are believed to be 10,000 in the capital.
:05:37. > :05:41.Barclays is closing down the part of the business that helps people
:05:41. > :05:47.avoid tax. It is believed to have saved firms billions of pounds over
:05:47. > :05:52.the years. The new chief executive, Anthony Jenkins, is expected to say
:05:52. > :05:58.the activity is no longer compatible with the new approach. A
:05:58. > :06:06.massive clean-up operation is under way after a storm left up to a
:06:06. > :06:10.metre of snow in eastern America and Canada. Transport was disrupted,
:06:10. > :06:16.and several deaths were reported. After the storm, much of the US is
:06:16. > :06:20.still stuck. The blizzard blanketed nine parts of America and Canada.
:06:20. > :06:26.People are advised to stay off the road. The more the roads are clear
:06:26. > :06:34.of general traffic, the more efficient it will be to clean up
:06:34. > :06:39.and get back to normal. The impact was dramatic, among several
:06:39. > :06:44.fatalities was an 11-year-old boy, keeping warm in a car with the
:06:44. > :06:52.engine on wealth the exhaust pipe was being blocked. He died from the
:06:52. > :06:55.fumes. Electricity will be gradually restored. Across much of
:06:55. > :07:02.the North East and America this is what you see, neighbourhoods
:07:02. > :07:09.digging out. Yesterday was hectic. I was helping my father, he was
:07:09. > :07:18.getting up at 3am, I helped him out. As for the weather, the sun is
:07:18. > :07:24.welcome but it means the snow could That is all from me for now, I will
:07:24. > :07:33.be back with the headlines just before 10am. On the front pages
:07:33. > :07:40.today we have lots of horsemeat. We have stories about social care, as
:07:40. > :07:47.well as evidence of neglect in hospitals. The Independent, leading
:07:47. > :07:56.on horsemeat. Scotland on Sunday, they have the Scottish take on it.
:07:56. > :08:04.The government are accusing the SNP -- they are accusing the SNP. The
:08:04. > :08:14.Sunday Times have a story about Barclays. They are also talking
:08:14. > :08:14.
:08:14. > :08:24.about social care. The Mail reports on the fox. The Sunday Express on
:08:24. > :08:25.
:08:25. > :08:29.Let's start with horsemeat. We cannot avoid it. The poor Prime
:08:29. > :08:33.Minister, he had huge success at the EU summit, and would have hoped
:08:33. > :08:37.for a Saturday or a weekend full of positive papers about a deal that
:08:37. > :08:47.was not impossible, but nearly every newspaper is focusing on
:08:47. > :08:47.
:08:48. > :08:52.horsemeat. The Sunday papers seem to be moving to a label in problem.
:08:52. > :09:02.But the stories in the Sunday Express, there are suggestions that
:09:02. > :09:02.
:09:02. > :09:06.they may be contaminated drug products entering the food chain.
:09:06. > :09:12.Owen Paterson has been gathering people in a summit and hopefully
:09:12. > :09:17.they will get to the bottom of what might be a lot more scandal.
:09:17. > :09:22.have been a minister, why do governments appear to be off the
:09:22. > :09:27.pace with these stories? On the back foot, that is what the feeling
:09:27. > :09:32.is. The Irish got off the ground quicker than we did. I think this
:09:33. > :09:41.is a really complex problem. I found another story on this, the
:09:41. > :09:46.Food Services Authority is testing the horsemeat, finding some drugs
:09:46. > :09:51.in some of them, then sending them abroad. That is a nasty drug given
:09:51. > :09:58.to horses to make their joint better. The reason this is complex
:09:59. > :10:04.is your finding Romania, Poland, France, so it is a global issue.
:10:04. > :10:13.Trying to get through that, regulating that in a sensible way,
:10:13. > :10:17.through labelling, that is really difficult. It is a European problem,
:10:17. > :10:21.we take a lot of things on trust and many consumers will be
:10:21. > :10:27.wondering if there is enough inspection. Is Owen Paterson doing
:10:27. > :10:33.enough? I think so. He has been in the job for six months, he has had
:10:33. > :10:37.the ASH tree disaster, floods, shale gas, lots of issues. He is
:10:37. > :10:42.one of the most effective ministers in the government. He has had some
:10:42. > :10:49.criticism but he other record neither -- he has a record that
:10:49. > :10:52.means he will get on top of this. There are suggestions in the paper
:10:52. > :10:57.that Number Ten are briefing against him. We do not want to
:10:57. > :11:03.behave like that. This is the disunity in the Conservative Party
:11:03. > :11:09.showing its base in another light. I do not think this is the end of
:11:09. > :11:17.the story, everybody is speaking about it being food labelling so
:11:17. > :11:20.far, we shall see how it emerges over the week. It is scary.
:11:20. > :11:26.Hopefully the energy of the Government will be focused on
:11:26. > :11:33.protecting the consumer. You spoke about disunity. Still more coverage
:11:33. > :11:39.of equal marriage in the newspapers. The Sunday Telegraph letters page
:11:39. > :11:45.is full of Tory members saying they did not expect this from a Tory
:11:45. > :11:53.government, threatening to resign their party membership or not vote
:11:53. > :11:58.Conservative. It connects very much at Eastleigh, because what is
:11:58. > :12:05.happening there is a neck-and-neck race. We had another poll giving
:12:05. > :12:10.the Conservatives have 3% lead, then the Lib Dems got a 3% lead. It
:12:10. > :12:15.will be a case of getting your troops out. If the gay marriage
:12:15. > :12:22.fall-out is correct, it may not be a story that is important in terms
:12:22. > :12:27.of moving public opinion, but it does matter. There are interesting
:12:27. > :12:31.things about this, the UK Independence Party are there, and
:12:32. > :12:35.the role that they play in cutting the Tory vote will be interesting.
:12:35. > :12:43.There is also an independent Lib Dem who will stand because he is so
:12:44. > :12:53.angry about Nick Clegg's line on the health service. Our top the two
:12:54. > :12:54.
:12:54. > :13:02.parties contending the seat, they are... You are writing off Labour.
:13:02. > :13:07.Labour will fight a strong fight, and I gather we have doubled our
:13:07. > :13:11.results in the polls. What is interesting is for the Lib Dems in
:13:11. > :13:15.the past, they have always said cannot vote Labour because that
:13:15. > :13:20.will keep the Tories out, that is no longer true, and for David
:13:20. > :13:25.Cameron, winning the seat is hugely important. How significant is this
:13:25. > :13:31.in terms of the coalition? In terms of the lessons for the coalition
:13:31. > :13:38.conducting itself. I think both parties will probably behave
:13:38. > :13:47.reasonably courteously. The alternative vote referendum
:13:47. > :13:51.injected quite a bit of poison into the coalition because the Lib Dems
:13:51. > :13:55.felt the Conservatives had thrown the kitchen sink at winning that.
:13:55. > :14:02.There is still life in the coalition, they are doing things
:14:02. > :14:07.together, but they will not want this to unsettle that. Margaret, a
:14:07. > :14:12.new story, more companies not paying tax. It is two stories in
:14:12. > :14:17.the Observer. The front-page story is the Associated British Foods,
:14:17. > :14:27.operating in Zambia. It is a very poor country, they are not paying
:14:27. > :14:31.
:14:31. > :14:40.any tax for public services. The tax rate is 0.5% of their massive
:14:40. > :14:48.profit. That is at tax avoidance issue, taking advantage. Link that
:14:48. > :14:55.a story also on page three of the Observer, Barclays closing their
:14:55. > :15:02.tax avoidance unit, because it has made an assessment of the business,
:15:02. > :15:06.and is trying to ensure it is more ethical rather than profitable.
:15:06. > :15:11.This avoidance unit apparently created more than 100% of the
:15:11. > :15:15.profits. Is this company's putting their Houses in order or are they
:15:15. > :15:24.being reluctantly dragged in to replace politicians want? I think
:15:24. > :15:28.this is an issue at the moment, and in Parliament, the way that he we
:15:28. > :15:36.have -- the way we have shone a spotlight on these issues as
:15:36. > :15:41.damaged the reputation of these companies. I often argue with
:15:41. > :15:45.people whose business it is to help -- to help corporations avoid tax,
:15:45. > :15:51.and they do not understand that there is an ethical and moral
:15:51. > :15:55.dimension to this. They're absolutely his command you have
:15:55. > :15:59.done a courageous job in highlighting abuse, but ultimately,
:15:59. > :16:03.the Government is responsible for this. They have created a
:16:03. > :16:07.fiendishly complicated tax system which they take advantage of.
:16:07. > :16:11.George Osborne said he would simple Fayed but it is getting more
:16:11. > :16:21.complicated. Until we have a simple tax code but businesses cannot get
:16:21. > :16:27.
:16:27. > :16:30.round, we will always have these What have you picked out? This is
:16:30. > :16:34.evidence that the coalition is still working. It is a landmark
:16:34. > :16:39.reform. It will mean that people will no longer have to sell their
:16:39. > :16:45.homes in order to pay for their care. I'm not entirely sure that at
:16:45. > :16:50.a time of austerity it's the best use of money. The centre for social
:16:50. > :16:55.justice has argued the money could be better spent keeping people at
:16:55. > :16:59.home, paying care workers a better wage, helping them to understand
:17:00. > :17:04.dementia. This is a vote-winner. There are some polls in the Sunday
:17:04. > :17:07.Times, which suggest this is supported by three-quarters of the
:17:07. > :17:13.population. Politics is dictating this. This is something Labour was
:17:13. > :17:17.accused of ducking for many years - this issue. Let's see the
:17:17. > :17:21.announcement tomorrow and see how it pans out. I am not sure... I
:17:21. > :17:24.don't have the confidence that Tim has, that this, the proposals put
:17:24. > :17:29.forward by the coalition, will solve the problem. Most people,
:17:29. > :17:36.when they go into care, only stay there for up to two years before
:17:36. > :17:43.they die. So the �75,000 limit you are expected to pay means most
:17:43. > :17:51.people, will be paying for their own care. It's a lot of money in
:17:51. > :17:56.the average house, worth of a house. It is a much greater system. I
:17:56. > :18:01.picked out an article in the Sunday Times - the home care chiefs who
:18:01. > :18:04.cash in as the elderly suffer. What they are saying is the quality of
:18:05. > :18:09.care in the care homes is poor. I think the debate has to be as much
:18:09. > :18:14.about what we're offering to elderly people, as to of course the
:18:14. > :18:19.important issue of how we pay for it. What I hope is this is an issue
:18:19. > :18:24.where if we don't get cross-party co-operation on it, you won't solve
:18:24. > :18:30.it because you cannot do knit the lifetime of one Parliament. You
:18:30. > :18:35.need -- you can't do it in the lifetime of one Parliament.
:18:35. > :18:40.You have held a lot of public officials to account - I think we
:18:40. > :18:46.will watch a little clip of you in action. This is you grilling
:18:46. > :18:52.executives from Starbucks, Google and Amazon about their corporate
:18:52. > :18:55.tax affairs. You depend on the services which come out of the tax
:18:56. > :19:01.you pay. You depend on the ability of getting your goods around. You
:19:01. > :19:06.have to get the roads in place - you depend on all those things.
:19:06. > :19:11.Probably worse of you, you employ people on probably minimum wage f
:19:11. > :19:16.we are lucky. Then we, the taxpayer pick up the tax credit bill for
:19:16. > :19:22.that address well. We are putting money into the people. You don't
:19:22. > :19:27.put enough money into the economy. There we go!
:19:27. > :19:32.I never watch myself! My question is this - do Select Committees like
:19:32. > :19:37.yours actually make a difference, or do they generate a lot of
:19:37. > :19:42.headlines and members of the committee get a bit shouty, or do
:19:42. > :19:45.you sometimes change policy? think we change policy. I think, we
:19:45. > :19:50.are halfway through the issue on tax avoidance and we will continue
:19:50. > :19:55.to focus on it until we get a change of policy, but I think by
:19:55. > :19:59.shining a light on big issues like that, we force the politicians, in
:19:59. > :20:03.Government, the executive, to actually take action. What has been
:20:03. > :20:07.so interesting is to watch all members of the coalition now saying
:20:07. > :20:11.they will tackle it. Three things - of course I welcome the G8
:20:11. > :20:16.commitments, because of course getting a global agreement is very,
:20:16. > :20:20.very good. I agree with Tim entirely about simplifying the tax,
:20:20. > :20:27.which is a sort of medium-term issue. The real thing is, we could
:20:27. > :20:30.do more now. We could strengthen HMRC now, so they are tougher in
:20:30. > :20:36.dealing the accountants and companies. We could do naming and
:20:36. > :20:39.shaming now, as a real way of damaging the reputations of these
:20:39. > :20:44.big companies. Why can committees have a bigger affect in some cases
:20:45. > :20:52.than the ministers? It has. We have seen ministers talking about
:20:52. > :20:56.getting these big, multinational firms to pay. The public shaming
:20:56. > :21:01.that Margaret's committee did, that is why they offered the money. We
:21:01. > :21:07.saw it with Barclays, we saw... actually have lawyers asking
:21:07. > :21:11.questions for them. I don't like that actually. I think once you get
:21:11. > :21:15.lawyers in, people get inhibited and you cannot have that same, open
:21:15. > :21:19.conversation. The Treasury is doing this around the banking commission.
:21:19. > :21:22.Normally I think it would not allow us to have the full, frank
:21:22. > :21:26.conversations. I probably could not have said what I said there if we
:21:26. > :21:32.had lawyers in the room. It is good for Parliament. It is. Thank you
:21:32. > :21:36.both for being with us this morning. Winter still has us in its grip.
:21:36. > :21:44.More icy blasts sweeping across the country today, I fear. Let's find
:21:44. > :21:48.out the full details from the We are likely to see more snow
:21:48. > :21:52.again. The emphasis is on the cold and wet. That snow will feature
:21:52. > :21:58.more and more as we go into the afternoon and evening. For the time
:21:58. > :22:01.being, the radar, most is rain. Some heavy - easing off into
:22:01. > :22:05.showers across the far west at the moment.
:22:05. > :22:09.This is where we have snow lying in the Pennines, the Peak District, in
:22:09. > :22:15.particular. More of that to come during the day. In the up lands,
:22:15. > :22:22.the higher grounds of eastern Scotland and to the East Midlands
:22:22. > :22:27.and south-east. Still mix in with rain at this stage. Milder further
:22:27. > :22:33.west. As the wind digs in, snow becomes a feature for the second
:22:33. > :22:38.half of the day. Disruption is going to be fairly
:22:38. > :22:46.patchy. The snowfall will vary greaty.
:22:46. > :22:55.Also to lower levels across the Midlands, south Wales and the south
:22:55. > :22:58.east, - there will some areas that see barely nothing at all. Ice
:22:58. > :23:03.around tomorrow as well as lying snow.
:23:03. > :23:09.-- laying snow. A grey, cold day here. Brightness
:23:09. > :23:16.in the far south-west, with one or two showers. Icy start here and for
:23:16. > :23:19.all, chilly in the breeze. Back to D the Prime Minister once said he
:23:19. > :23:23.wanted to lead the greenest Government ever. We don't hear so
:23:23. > :23:27.much about that now, with ministers much more preoccupied with the
:23:27. > :23:34.economy. The quest for growth is likely to mean building more houses,
:23:34. > :23:39.more roads and bigger airports. There seems to be a backlash
:23:40. > :23:44.against wind turbines. Are we turning away from the environmental.
:23:44. > :23:47.I am joined by the leader of the Green Party, Natalie Bennett. Are
:23:47. > :23:51.we turning around from environmental issues? We have grave
:23:51. > :23:55.concerns that the Government, which originally started out with at
:23:55. > :24:01.least a green wash of environmental issues has turned away from that.
:24:01. > :24:07.They are simply failing to deliver on things that make perfect sense
:24:07. > :24:11.for a jobs-rich low-carbon economy. The whole pattern of austerity, it
:24:11. > :24:14.is very clear that is an economic model which has failed. In the
:24:14. > :24:17.Green Party we believe we must be investing in the future of Britain.
:24:17. > :24:23.We have to invest in the right things. Some people think the
:24:23. > :24:29.Government is going too far. It is subsidising insulation of people's
:24:29. > :24:33.homes, renewable energy. Particularly on wind farms, many
:24:33. > :24:39.think the Government is doing too much? That means renewables. It
:24:39. > :24:43.means we have to spend money on something. The Government is
:24:43. > :24:48.conducting secret negotiations, although they said they would not
:24:48. > :24:51.substiez nuclear. We are looking at them offering EDF a 30-year
:24:51. > :24:55.contract, �30 billion to subsidise nuclear. That is the wrong
:24:55. > :24:59.direction. We need to spend money on cutting the demands and then
:24:59. > :25:03.less on generating things with wind turbines, with solar. All those
:25:03. > :25:09.things we need to do to secure our energy supply. Isn't the problem
:25:10. > :25:17.that you are going against the tide on this? Tide could be useful in
:25:17. > :25:20.the future, certainly. There is shale gas and this fracking
:25:20. > :25:24.procedure. The Government appears to be keen on this. It is
:25:24. > :25:29.transforming energy markets around the world. Isn't this undermining
:25:29. > :25:33.the case for renewables? Frbging is no answer for -- Fracking is no
:25:34. > :25:37.answer for Britain at all. The shales we have in Europe are much
:25:38. > :25:41.deeper and more shallow than in America. It is a different
:25:42. > :25:46.geological category. If you go to the committee on climate change, an
:25:46. > :25:53.independent body, they are saying at the best possible estimate shale
:25:53. > :25:57.could supply 10% of Britain's needs. If we look into gas, what we are
:25:57. > :26:07.locking is expensive gas fire in the future. We know that Energy
:26:07. > :26:07.
:26:07. > :26:11.Bills have gone up enormously. wonderful cheap energy? It is not
:26:11. > :26:15.cheap. No prediction this will cut prices here. Fracking, the areas
:26:15. > :26:20.where they talk about it, local people have looked into it and are
:26:20. > :26:26.concerned. You are talking about industrialising the countryside.
:26:26. > :26:30.Huge lorry movements, five million gallons of water per well. You have
:26:30. > :26:34.to find and then get rid of. In America they have large areas of
:26:34. > :26:38.land with very few people in them. They can write off that land. Here,
:26:38. > :26:42.we have people everywhere. They don't want to live in the middle of
:26:42. > :26:47.a industrialised countryside. is a greater priority - economic
:26:47. > :26:52.growth or protecting the environment? What we need to is
:26:52. > :26:55.invest in home insulation, renewable energy. We need to bring
:26:55. > :27:00.manufacturing and food production back to Britain. You have talked a
:27:00. > :27:04.lot this morning about the horsemeat scandal and what a giant,
:27:04. > :27:09.globalised food system is doing. We are importing most of our fruit
:27:09. > :27:13.into Britain. We need to have our own fruit, have our own meat. We
:27:13. > :27:16.are investing the strong local economies, manufacturing food
:27:16. > :27:23.production, and ensure warm, comfortable houses. All those
:27:23. > :27:30.things we need to invest in. We need to build a jobs-rich, low-
:27:30. > :27:35.carbon economy. Can you sheer a sheep? It has been a few years.
:27:35. > :27:41.is an era of cuts. You have some experience with that. Indeed.
:27:42. > :27:48.you for joining us. Spoiler alert - if you have not seen the latest
:27:48. > :27:55.James Bond film Skyfall and don't want to know how it ends - as sport
:27:55. > :28:01.presenters say, look away now. If you have seen it you will know Dame
:28:01. > :28:05.Dench makes a dramatic exit. After seven films, two decades, she has
:28:05. > :28:10.relinquished control to Ralph Fiennes. Sophie Raworth asked Dame
:28:10. > :28:14.Judi what it is like to be a central part of Skyfall. Directed
:28:14. > :28:19.by Sam Mendes, it is the most successful Bond film ever. It has
:28:19. > :28:29.been wonderful and it has been very, very good luck that it has been
:28:29. > :28:29.
:28:29. > :28:34.such a wonderful film. After 18 years, it's pretty nice -- it's a
:28:34. > :28:39.pretty nice way to - I should not say end up ow any way, finish off.
:28:39. > :28:45.Did you know when you signed up to it that you would have the ending
:28:45. > :28:51.you did? Yes, I did. I was told early on. So I could get rid of the
:28:51. > :28:56.kind of peeved face and start to nod and smile and say, "Yes, of
:28:56. > :29:02.course." You have done seven Bond films in 18 years - you have
:29:02. > :29:10.obviously loved them? When they come to do the next one, I shall
:29:10. > :29:15.hang around trying to put the boot into Ralph Fiennes, I expect.
:29:15. > :29:23.do you think he will be like? Iic. It will be different. --
:29:23. > :29:27.terrific. It will be different. Piers is different than Daniel.
:29:27. > :29:32.That's the thrilling thing about it. The moment that you die, I mean,
:29:32. > :29:38.people talk about it in an emotional way and you can see Sam
:29:38. > :29:45.Mendes himself, he wipes away a tear on set. It was make-up. I
:29:45. > :29:50.think they were emotional when they actually said, "Cut." I was
:29:50. > :30:00.emotional then. We all had a drink. That, and cake and everything -
:30:00. > :30:09.
:30:09. > :30:14.It was a really big film for you. You were the Bond girl at the
:30:14. > :30:22.beginning of the film. I got into Shed 19. It is where you learn to
:30:22. > :30:26.shoot a gun. I didn't know what it was. You get in to... You start to
:30:26. > :30:36.fire at things - it is thrilling. It is thrilling because it is
:30:36. > :30:47.
:30:47. > :30:55.pretend. This is the film where M I used to say that everyone else
:30:55. > :30:59.got to go to interesting places, I did not get to go anywhere. Once,
:30:59. > :31:06.they gave me a trailer with Innsbruck on the side. It was not
:31:06. > :31:14.what I imagined. Do you think the way that women have moved on in
:31:14. > :31:22.Bond films, it has not changed very much? There was one that got
:31:22. > :31:27.dispatched quite quickly. M did not get too much of a go with the guns.
:31:27. > :31:34.At least M is played by a woman. That did not happen before. Then
:31:34. > :31:38.she gets replaced by a man. Yes, quite. Do not annoy me. You're not
:31:38. > :31:48.leaving it behind entirely. Next month, you take to the stage in the
:31:48. > :31:50.
:31:50. > :31:56.West End in a new play written by the opera of Skyfall, you will be
:31:56. > :32:06.co-starring with some of the actors from the film. Tell me about it.
:32:06. > :32:13.
:32:13. > :32:21.is a conversation imagined the USA Knockouts people, who met to open
:32:21. > :32:25.an exhibition. -- imagined between two people. It is an imagined
:32:25. > :32:30.conversation. They are speaking about what they might have spoken
:32:30. > :32:34.about. It is very interesting, it is unlike any player I have read.
:32:34. > :32:40.It is the first time you will have gone on stage for a few years. Is
:32:40. > :32:45.it daunting? I hope I have the energy. I think I have the energy.
:32:45. > :32:53.That is what you require, real energy. I remember being told a
:32:53. > :32:58.long time ago that the audience had not come to see being tired,
:32:58. > :33:05.thinking about something else. There is a story to be told.
:33:05. > :33:09.have just turned 78, and a three- month run, on stage every day, it
:33:09. > :33:15.must be exhausting. You're making me tired thinking about it. If
:33:15. > :33:21.you're lucky enough to keep going, and if you love it, we are in a
:33:21. > :33:31.minority of people who wanted to do a job and get employed and are able
:33:31. > :33:31.
:33:31. > :33:39.to make a living at it, and can do it. That is a tiny minority. It is
:33:39. > :33:44.wonderful, if it can happen to you. I remember Trevor Nunn coming into
:33:44. > :33:51.my dressing room, and saying I was always in tears. In a way, I am,
:33:51. > :34:01.because I think it will be the last thing I do. Which is a very
:34:01. > :34:05.
:34:05. > :34:08.poignant thought. Do you still get the thrill of being on stage?
:34:08. > :34:16.You get a whole group of people coming and sitting in the dark, and
:34:16. > :34:23.you tell them a story. Dame Judi Dench speaking to Sophie Raworth.
:34:23. > :34:30.Skyfall is out on Blu-ray and DVD on 18th February, and is up for
:34:30. > :34:34.some of wards at the BAFTAs ceremony. Dame Judi Dench has been
:34:34. > :34:37.nominated as well. The investigation into Mid
:34:37. > :34:39.Staffordshire Hospital was scandalous. The cultural neglect
:34:39. > :34:42.scandalous. The cultural neglect and cruelty inflicted on the
:34:42. > :34:47.elderly. But how many of these patients should have been in
:34:47. > :34:50.hospital in the first place instead of getting care elsewhere? Tomorrow,
:34:50. > :34:54.the Government will announce finally how the well-funded health
:34:54. > :34:59.care for the elderly, and Jeremy Hunt is here to discuss it. Good
:34:59. > :35:05.morning. The plans are out tomorrow, what are they? I will be announcing
:35:05. > :35:11.that a parliament, and I cannot Prix announce it on this television
:35:12. > :35:17.programme, as much as that would be a pleasure. -- announce it first.
:35:17. > :35:25.We have a scandal here, every year, 40,000 people are selling their
:35:25. > :35:30.Houses to pay for their care costs. Around 10% of us end up paying more
:35:30. > :35:34.than �100,000 in care costs. If you have dementia, which will affect a
:35:34. > :35:39.million people in the next few years, you have to cope with an
:35:39. > :35:46.incredibly difficult condition, loss of memory, the impact on
:35:46. > :35:50.relationships, then you have to sell your home as well. That is
:35:50. > :35:56.what we want to sort out. We want to help people who have done the
:35:56. > :36:00.right thing, work hard, save money, this measure will cost possibly �1
:36:00. > :36:03.billion per year, at times when money is very short, but we're
:36:03. > :36:11.doing it because it is the right thing and it supports the right
:36:11. > :36:17.people. The limit you are proposing, it will be higher than that
:36:17. > :36:24.recommended by the commission will look into this. Why? There is a
:36:24. > :36:29.misunderstanding about the cap, because if you set it at �75,000,
:36:29. > :36:33.that is not saying that we want everybody to pay �75,000 before the
:36:33. > :36:36.state helps, actually, we do not want anyone to pay anything at all,
:36:36. > :36:41.and by setting an upper limit to how much people need to pay, that
:36:41. > :36:45.makes it possible for insurance companies to offer policies, for
:36:45. > :36:49.people to have options on their pension so that anything you pay
:36:49. > :36:55.under that cap is covered, and the big change here, the really
:36:55. > :37:00.important reason why we are doing this, other governments have
:37:00. > :37:04.avoided it, is because we need to change the culture in our country,
:37:04. > :37:11.so that as people make provision for their pensions, in their 20s,
:37:11. > :37:16.30s, we also need to be a country where people prepare for their
:37:16. > :37:20.social care. But the limit was set much lower on the commission and as
:37:20. > :37:24.a result people will have to pay more than under the proposals.
:37:24. > :37:27.will need to wait until we announce that, but the point of the limit is
:37:27. > :37:34.to create a mechanism so that people do not have to pay anything
:37:34. > :37:38.at all, but finances are very constrained at the moment, and the
:37:38. > :37:42.fact that we are finding what might be as much as �1 billion per year
:37:42. > :37:47.to do this shows that we want to help those hard-working people who
:37:47. > :37:56.have saved all their life and quite randomly find that their House is
:37:56. > :38:01.at risk. You say it will cost �1 billion per year, how will it pay
:38:01. > :38:09.before that -- how will it pay for that? I do not want to go into the
:38:09. > :38:15.details, but let me say there has been speculation about the
:38:15. > :38:18.inheritance tax. What we're doing is to protect people's inheritance.
:38:18. > :38:26.The worst thing that could happen is that the most vulnerable moment
:38:26. > :38:33.in you live, you lose the thing that you work so hard for, your
:38:33. > :38:42.home. We want to be one of the first countries in the world to
:38:42. > :38:52.have a system where people do not need to sell their home. We are
:38:52. > :38:53.
:38:53. > :39:01.back in A 44-ton tanker careered We are back in the territory of
:39:01. > :39:05.attacks on dying. We should wait until tomorrow. People can be
:39:05. > :39:09.confident that their homes are safe, and if they have massive social
:39:09. > :39:15.care costs because of the nightmare of somebody having dementia, the
:39:15. > :39:19.reason is their home is not address, and we are protecting inheritance,
:39:19. > :39:26.and we will be proud of that. will be raising the amount of money
:39:27. > :39:31.that people can have before they start paying. Yes, it is an
:39:31. > :39:38.important part of these proposals. At the moment you do not get any
:39:39. > :39:47.help from the government if your home or assets are worth more than
:39:47. > :39:53.a certain amount. We want to raise that, up to a much larger amount.
:39:53. > :39:57.Many people say you should start squeezing pensioner benefits to pay
:39:57. > :40:04.for social care, and what people need his help with social care, not
:40:04. > :40:11.free bus passes. We have looked at many different options, tomorrow we
:40:11. > :40:15.will announce the option we have settled on. The point I would make,
:40:15. > :40:24.what we're going to announce tomorrow is a fully funded solution.
:40:24. > :40:28.We're not going to do what we might have done, kick it into long grass.
:40:28. > :40:31.Actually, the credibility of the system rests on a government being
:40:31. > :40:35.prepared to say that we want this to happen and this is how we will
:40:35. > :40:40.pay for it. Nick Clegg said in the newspapers that they will make sure
:40:40. > :40:44.nobody is forced to sell their home in their lifetime to pay for care.
:40:44. > :40:50.Is that an absolute commitment? That is the objective of what I
:40:50. > :40:54.will announce tomorrow. objective is not a commitment.
:40:54. > :40:59.think we are playing with words. We will introduce a policy that means
:40:59. > :41:03.people do not have to say their homes. I do not know the details of
:41:03. > :41:08.every individual situation, but Nick Clegg in that article speaks
:41:08. > :41:11.about the 30 to 40,000 people who sell their homes. We will have a
:41:11. > :41:15.solution tomorrow that takes away the biggest worry people have when
:41:16. > :41:20.looking forward to their old age. The great thing about this issue,
:41:20. > :41:24.you do not know if you will be one of the people who might have to pay
:41:24. > :41:31.hundreds of thousands of pounds for social care. It is completely
:41:31. > :41:36.random. 33% of us get dementia but we do not know who they are. This
:41:36. > :41:39.creates a system where you can spread that risk, and be able to
:41:39. > :41:44.call into old age knowing that the one thing you worry about most is
:41:44. > :41:49.not going to happen. We waited for this a long time. When will it
:41:49. > :41:54.actually happen? That is what I will be announcing tomorrow.
:41:54. > :41:59.this Parliament? It will be a timescale that is not so far away
:41:59. > :42:03.that it seems impossible, but I am not saying any more than that.
:42:03. > :42:07.Let's move on to Mid Staffordshire Hospital. We read this report about
:42:07. > :42:17.what happened there. More than 1000 people dying prematurely when they
:42:17. > :42:20.
:42:20. > :42:26.should not have done. This was not a rogue unit, Dr this was an
:42:26. > :42:30.entirely -- this was an entire institution. I have been speaking
:42:30. > :42:34.to the family's that suffered this care, they feel very strongly that
:42:34. > :42:40.it is just wrong but something of this magnitude could happen, and
:42:40. > :42:45.nobody could be brought to book. What will you do about it?
:42:45. > :42:54.Obviously, as a politician it is not my job to say that this nurses
:42:54. > :43:00.guilty, this nurses not guilty, but I have asked a question of the
:43:00. > :43:08.regulators. Something else in that report is important. Robert Francis
:43:08. > :43:13.says he does not want ministers to blame people, and say that if one
:43:13. > :43:17.person had been doing a different job this would not have happened.
:43:17. > :43:27.Because he says, as you said, this is a cultural problem, we have
:43:27. > :43:31.developed a system inside the NHS where, for all its virtues, we say
:43:31. > :43:35.that what counts is what is counted. Actually, some of the most
:43:35. > :43:39.important things, George Orwell says you can obey the small rules
:43:39. > :43:44.and break the biggest revolt. The biggest rule is that the people in
:43:44. > :43:53.the NHS what to look after people with dignity and that -- dignity
:43:53. > :43:58.The people who did this were managers, doctors and nurses. They
:43:58. > :44:04.were responsible. They were individuals. They were responsible
:44:04. > :44:09.for this neglect. And yet, the public out there are thinking
:44:09. > :44:15.nobody is being held to account for this. I agree, that is one of the
:44:15. > :44:18.most shocking things about this. That is why if you read the papers,
:44:18. > :44:23.you see the General Medical Council looking at whether doctors should
:44:23. > :44:33.be held to account. I have written to the midwifery council. I think
:44:33. > :44:34.
:44:34. > :44:39.this is a problem. Do you want people to be struck off? Absolutely.
:44:39. > :44:43.The question I ask is, why is it that we have a system where
:44:43. > :44:46.potentially 1000 people have lost their lives because of bad care and
:44:46. > :44:51.nobody is being brought to book? But I do not want to make the
:44:51. > :44:57.mistake of thinking this is all about bad apples. Last week, I
:44:57. > :45:03.heard the story of a nurse who was saying to admit somebody to trauma,
:45:03. > :45:06.she had to fill out at 22 page form and then 10 other forms after that.
:45:06. > :45:10.What we have at the moment is a system where the people in it want
:45:11. > :45:19.to do the right thing, but the bureaucracy is so complex, the
:45:19. > :45:24.hoops they jump through, there is a major London Hospital that said in
:45:24. > :45:28.the space of over a year, they had 43 assessments and inspections by
:45:28. > :45:33.24 different bodies. What we have created is a system where the
:45:33. > :45:38.definition of success for a hospital is the boxes you take,
:45:38. > :45:42.whether you meet the target, the number of hits you replace, but not
:45:42. > :45:47.the thing that matters most, how you look after people walk through
:45:47. > :45:53.the door. That is what we need to change. That culture still exists.
:45:53. > :45:57.You have kept many of labour's targets, you have kept them all.
:45:57. > :46:01.What guarantee can you give as Health Secretary that what happened
:46:01. > :46:06.in Mid Staffordshire Hospital will not happen again? What the Prime
:46:06. > :46:12.Minister announced on Wednesday is a very fundamental change in the
:46:12. > :46:17.way that we assess the definition of success for a hospital. He said
:46:17. > :46:21.we will have a new Chief Inspector of hospitals. You just said there
:46:21. > :46:24.were too many inspectors. I will be announcing this week how we will
:46:24. > :46:28.tackle the bureaucracy that is at the heart of this problem, but the
:46:28. > :46:35.most important thing is that when we say whether or hospital is good
:46:35. > :46:38.or failing, the amount of listening it does to patients, whether it
:46:38. > :46:46.puts patients first, asked to be one of the most important thing is
:46:46. > :46:49.being assessed. That will create an important change. This is really
:46:49. > :46:54.about freeing up people on the front line who actually went into
:46:54. > :46:58.the NHS because they want to help people at their most vulnerable but
:46:58. > :47:02.all too often find they have a system that makes it impossible.
:47:02. > :47:11.What is it? Is the solution to this more criminal defences, changing
:47:11. > :47:14.that training, regulating more assistance, closing down hospitals?
:47:14. > :47:20.What is the Government recommending? There are three
:47:20. > :47:24.things, first of all, we need to recognise that some of the most
:47:24. > :47:34.important things cannot be measured, and we need a system that gives
:47:34. > :47:38.people on the frontline the space to care for people. Whether a nurse,
:47:38. > :47:41.depressing people on the ward because they have a bad attitude,
:47:41. > :47:47.lighting up the award because of their sunny disposition, those
:47:47. > :47:52.things cannot be measured. We need to give people that run on the
:47:52. > :47:55.front line. The second thing is, when we are assessing how well
:47:55. > :48:01.hospitals do, the quality of care should be paramount. At the moment,
:48:01. > :48:08.that is not happening. I think the third thing, this is the other
:48:08. > :48:13.thing Robert Francis spoke about, we need to make sure when we have
:48:13. > :48:16.problems in a system, the establishment cannot close ranks.
:48:16. > :48:20.We should not have a system where the professionals know that
:48:20. > :48:24.something is going wrong, Robert Francis spoke about more than 50
:48:24. > :48:30.different early warning signals that were in it -- that were
:48:30. > :48:40.ignored. The public have a right to know. That is something we need to
:48:40. > :48:53.
:48:53. > :48:57.He said to find a scapegoat. scapegoat takes the sins of others.
:48:57. > :49:05.We are talking of people responsible taking responsibility
:49:05. > :49:09.for what they did. David Nichol son didn't run the hospital. Francis
:49:09. > :49:14.said... He said that the health authority did not put patients'
:49:14. > :49:19.health at the forefront. It explains the high mortality rate.
:49:19. > :49:22.Those are quotes from him. He also said he does not want people to be
:49:22. > :49:26.fired as a response to this and for people to say, the way we will
:49:26. > :49:29.solve this is because if we had a different person doing that job at
:49:29. > :49:33.a particular time this problem would not have happened. That is to
:49:33. > :49:37.make the problem smaller than it is. This is a very, very big problem
:49:37. > :49:42.about the overall ethos in the NHS, where we have created structures
:49:42. > :49:46.that make it difficult for people to do what they went into the NHS
:49:46. > :49:49.to do. In terms of the performance of the individuals we need more
:49:49. > :49:53.accountability and structures that hold individuals to account. My job,
:49:53. > :49:57.as Health Secretary, is to make sure that the structures we have in
:49:57. > :50:03.place, the culture in service means this can never happen again.
:50:03. > :50:08.light of all of this, why should health spending be protected from
:50:08. > :50:12.cuts? It is a misnomer to say that health is getting off lightly.
:50:12. > :50:16.not saying... Let me answer the question, because demand on the
:50:16. > :50:21.health service because of our ageing proplation is actually going
:50:21. > :50:25.up by 4% a year -- population is actually going up by 4% a year. We
:50:25. > :50:30.are doing half a million more operations year in, year out than
:50:30. > :50:35.we were two years ago. In order to fund that extra demand we are
:50:36. > :50:39.having to make big efficiencies. Can you guarantee that health
:50:39. > :50:42.spending will be protected? That is a matter for the Chancellor and the
:50:43. > :50:48.Government. All I would say is this Government has nailed its colours
:50:48. > :50:52.to the mast. We believe the NHS matters. We care passionately about
:50:52. > :50:56.the services and we protected spending in very, very difficult
:50:56. > :51:00.circumstances. How confident are you that no hospitals are serving
:51:00. > :51:06.horsemeat? Well, all hospitals have a responsibility to make sure that
:51:06. > :51:10.the food they are serving is safe. We don't believe at the moment that
:51:10. > :51:13.We don't believe at the moment that there are public safety issues.
:51:13. > :51:18.There may be fraud issues in terms of people eating something that is
:51:18. > :51:23.not what the label on the tin says it is. All hospitals need to make
:51:23. > :51:32.absolutely sure that... Have you asked them to make sure? I am very
:51:32. > :51:37.confident they are. I'm liaising with Owen Paterson to make sure. At
:51:37. > :51:43.the moment we don't think there is a safety issue. We think there is a
:51:43. > :51:47.consumer fraud issue, or may be a consumer fraud issue. That is what
:51:47. > :51:50.Owen's research is establishing. Can you tell me about the state of
:51:50. > :51:54.your party. Your Prime Minister promised a referendum on the EU. He
:51:54. > :51:57.has managed to persuade the rest of Europe to cut their budget. At the
:51:57. > :52:03.same time, there's more talk about leadership speculation, your party
:52:03. > :52:06.is deeply unhappy about the gay marriage vote. Doesn't this just
:52:06. > :52:10.show that David Cameron and other modernisers like yourself are not
:52:11. > :52:14.at one with the rest of your party? I became a Conservative over 20
:52:14. > :52:17.years ago because I believe we need to have a party that is going to
:52:17. > :52:21.face up to the tough and difficult decisions in the long-term
:52:21. > :52:24.interests of the country. I don't believe that other parties do that.
:52:24. > :52:28.If you look at the record of David Cameron in coalition with the
:52:28. > :52:33.Liberal Democrats, you have a party that's taken profoundly difficult
:52:33. > :52:36.decisions on dealing the deficit, incredibly difficult decisions on
:52:36. > :52:40.reforming the welfare state, on reforming the education system. Now,
:52:40. > :52:46.what we are talking about this morning, making some very big
:52:46. > :52:52.changes in health. That's what we Conservatives do. It's not popular,
:52:52. > :52:56.it's difficult. We are always behind in the mid-term. When it
:52:56. > :52:59.comes to a general election, the country want to know, did this team
:52:59. > :53:03.of people face up to the challenges? In the end, what will
:53:03. > :53:10.make this country great, going forward, is to have Governments
:53:10. > :53:15.that rise to those challenges. party is split about this? It is
:53:15. > :53:18.never easy. If you are talking about gay marriage, it is a matter
:53:18. > :53:23.of conscience. The Prime Minister could have ducked this issue, and
:53:23. > :53:29.say this is one for the back drawer, for another time. He didn't. This
:53:29. > :53:33.shows the courage he has. Could it cost you Eastleigh? That will be a
:53:33. > :53:40.close of fought election. Those voters in Eastleigh will take the
:53:40. > :53:43.big view. Thank you very much indeed. Now, it is over to the news
:53:43. > :53:47.headlines. The Health Secretary has told this programme he would be
:53:47. > :53:51.pleased if disciplinary action is taken against those individuals
:53:51. > :53:55.responsible for the Mid Staffordshire hospital scandal.
:53:55. > :53:58.Jeremy Hunt confirmed he hopes anyone found guilty will have the
:53:58. > :54:05.appropriate action against them, which could include losing their
:54:05. > :54:08.jobs or being struck off. Retailers have agreed to carry out thorough
:54:08. > :54:12.testing of beef products. It is hoped that the results will be
:54:12. > :54:16.published on Friday. The Government has warned that horsemeat is likely
:54:16. > :54:19.to be found in many more food items and says a criminal conspiracy
:54:19. > :54:24.could be behind the large-scale contamination.
:54:24. > :54:28.That's all from me for now. The next news on BBC One will be at
:54:28. > :54:34.12pm. Back to James in a moment, but first a look at what is coming
:54:34. > :54:40.up after this programme. Join us from Cardiff. Capital of
:54:40. > :54:47.the fattest part of the UK, where we will ask, should we tax to
:54:47. > :54:57.tackle obesity, then is faith come pattable with reason? Dying in
:54:57. > :55:05.
:55:05. > :55:10.hospital - is the NHS cutting D Michael Gove's decision last week
:55:10. > :55:14.probable came as music to Julian Lloyd Webber's ears. A core of
:55:14. > :55:24.academic subjects would lead to the arts being side-lined in schools.
:55:24. > :55:27.
:55:27. > :55:33.He is here now, along with Shao- Jing and by the harpist. I thought
:55:33. > :55:36.the decision was odd. The Government have backed - have
:55:36. > :55:41.expanded the programme which aims to bring people together through
:55:41. > :55:46.music. So, it seemed a very strange decision. Just at the moment when
:55:46. > :55:53.we showed with the Olympic ceremonies how strong the arts are.
:55:53. > :55:59.We punch way above our weight. High not expand - really put Government
:55:59. > :56:03.muscle behind this arts? It just seemed a very bizarre decision.
:56:03. > :56:07.also played last year at the Olympics. That must have been
:56:07. > :56:17.astonishing. It certainly was astonishing. I am on top of the
:56:17. > :56:17.
:56:17. > :56:25.Albert Hall - I don't think... is it like performing as a husband
:56:25. > :56:28.and wife team? Does that change the dynamic in any way. In some ways.
:56:28. > :56:34.Something not really looking forward to it. It's difficult. We
:56:34. > :56:38.don't argue the rest of the time. When it is about music our opinions
:56:38. > :56:46.differ. I am told you were once the official harpist to the Prince of
:56:46. > :56:51.Wales. What did that involve? Involved playing at functions. It
:56:51. > :56:55.was reestablishing a tradition of royal harpists. Thank you. That is
:56:55. > :57:02.all we have time for this morning. Thank you to all my guests. Next
:57:02. > :57:09.week, while Andrew continues his recovery, Eddie Mair will present
:57:10. > :57:18.the show. His guests will include Sinead O'Connor. Join me at 9am. We