:00:42. > :00:48.Good morning. We know one thing for sure - the UK has lost its prized,
:00:48. > :00:51.triple A rating. What is not so clear is what's to be done. Spend
:00:51. > :00:54.more to get that elusive growth back into the system? Or slash to
:00:54. > :00:57.send out the message that the debt really is being tackled. Pretty
:00:57. > :01:00.soon we may see some white smoke from the chimney, but hang on -
:01:00. > :01:03.that's a different story. Joining me today for our review of the
:01:03. > :01:11.Sunday papers, the Conservative MP Kwasi Kwarteng, and Sarah Baxter -
:01:11. > :01:14.editor of the Sunday Times magazine. Today we have a triple A guest to
:01:14. > :01:18.talk about the bad economic news - the Business Secretary, Vince Cable.
:01:18. > :01:21.Of course, the mansion tax was his idea. Would that help us out of the
:01:21. > :01:23.hole we're in? Separately, we'll ask Mr Cable about the very serious
:01:23. > :01:26.allegations against his colleague Lord Rennard. Plus, there's
:01:26. > :01:28.movement on the whole business of finding a way of regulating the
:01:28. > :01:35.press, but the movement may be backwards. The Conservatives and
:01:35. > :01:38.Labour just can't agree. Harriet Harman, Labour's deputy leader, is
:01:38. > :01:41.with us to tell us why she won't sign up to the latest Conservative
:01:41. > :01:44.proposal. Also this morning, as Pope Benedict begins his last week
:01:44. > :01:47.in office and the Cardinals prepare to choose his successor, I'll be
:01:47. > :01:51.discussing the challenges facing the Catholic church with the senior
:01:51. > :01:57.Archbishop, Cardinal Cormac Murphy O'Connor. Should that white smoke
:01:57. > :02:00.from the Vatican chimney bring news that the church is changing?
:02:00. > :02:09.The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night Time was a best-selling
:02:09. > :02:13.novel that's now going on stage. are meant to be writing stories
:02:13. > :02:19.today so why don't you write about what happened to Wellington last
:02:19. > :02:22.night? But how on earth do you transfer the story of a child's
:02:22. > :02:25.mind into the theatre? The book's author, Mark Haddon, will be here,
:02:25. > :02:33.with the actress Niamh Cusack, who stars in the West End theatre
:02:33. > :02:43.version. All of that is coming up after the news, from Sian Lloyd.
:02:43. > :03:02.
:03:02. > :03:04.Good morning. Good morning. Britain's most senior Roman
:03:04. > :03:07.Catholic cleric has been accused of inappropriate behaviour, by several
:03:07. > :03:09.priests. Cardinal Keith O'Brien, who's the leader of the Catholic
:03:09. > :03:12.Church in Scotland, has denied the claims. The Observer newspaper says
:03:12. > :03:16.four men have made official complaints to the Vatican. The
:03:16. > :03:18.Cardinal, who'll take part in the election of the new Pope in Rome
:03:18. > :03:28.soon, has been one of the most outspoken critics of same-sex
:03:28. > :03:31.
:03:31. > :03:34.marriage. A few days ago though, he surprised many commentators, by
:03:34. > :03:36.telling the BBC that the Church should reconsider its rule that
:03:36. > :03:38.priests cannot marry. The allegations against Cardinal
:03:38. > :03:47.O'Brien date back more than thirty years. A spokesman said the
:03:47. > :03:49.Cardinal contests the claims and is taking legal advice.
:03:49. > :03:52.The Liberal Democrats have denied newspaper reports that their leader,
:03:52. > :03:54.Nick Clegg, knew about allegations of misconduct against the party's
:03:54. > :03:57.former chief executive, Lord Rennard, before they emerged last
:03:57. > :03:59.week. Several women have accused Lord Rennard of sexual harassment.
:03:59. > :04:03.He's said he strongly disputes the allegations. Doctors from abroad
:04:03. > :04:06.who want to work in the NHS in England will have to prove they can
:04:06. > :04:09.speak English well enough, under new rules to be introduced in April.
:04:09. > :04:12.At the moment, each Primary Care Trust has its own system but
:04:12. > :04:15.ministers want to introduce a national list of GPs so doctors who
:04:15. > :04:19.don't have the right skills can't just move around the country.
:04:19. > :04:23.A now to bowlers surgery hired a GP who had been turned down for work
:04:24. > :04:28.elsewhere in England. His concerns about fluency in English were not
:04:28. > :04:33.shared, and David Gray paid for that with his life - given a lethal
:04:33. > :04:37.dose of painkillers, and his family have since complained for greater
:04:37. > :04:42.checks. Now doctors will have to prove they can speak English to
:04:42. > :04:52.work in the NHS and that information will be held on one
:04:52. > :04:55.national list. A lot of doctors were very well in the NHS and maker
:04:55. > :05:00.huge contribution but it is only right any doctor needs to be able
:05:00. > :05:06.to speak English and that is what this is about. How will this change
:05:06. > :05:10.language checks on doctors? Those coming from outside Europe are
:05:10. > :05:18.already check, so the biggest difference will be from doctors
:05:18. > :05:22.inside the EU, and the government has also promised action will be
:05:22. > :05:29.taken when concerns are raised, by giving the medical regulator
:05:29. > :05:39.greater powers to investigate and banned doctors. The plans have been
:05:39. > :05:41.
:05:41. > :05:44.welcome by patients organisations. It's the first day of voting in the
:05:44. > :05:49.Italian general election. The contest is seen as crucial to the
:05:49. > :05:51.country's efforts at tackling its economic problems. The election was
:05:51. > :05:54.called two months ahead of schedule, after Silvio Berlusconi's People Of
:05:54. > :05:56.Freedom party withdrew its support for the technocratic government
:05:56. > :05:58.under Mario Monti. Italy is suffering from its longest
:05:58. > :06:01.recession in 20 years with record levels of unemployment.
:06:01. > :06:05.Some of the biggest names in the film world are preparing to set
:06:05. > :06:07.foot on the red carpet tonight for the 85th Academy Awards ceremony -
:06:07. > :06:11.the Oscars. Steven Spielberg's Lincoln leads the way with 12
:06:11. > :06:15.nominations. And history could be made if Daniel Day-Lewis wins his
:06:15. > :06:18.third Best Actor award for his performance in the film. Other
:06:18. > :06:24.British hopes on the night rest with the singer Adele, who is
:06:24. > :06:26.nominated for her Bond theme, Skyfall. That's all from me, for
:06:26. > :06:36.now. I'll be back with the headlines just before ten o'clock.
:06:36. > :06:40.
:06:40. > :06:48.On with the front pages of the newspapers today, and quite a lot
:06:48. > :06:58.on the scandal over Lord Rennard, who has denied being a sex pest. A
:06:58. > :07:04.
:07:04. > :07:14.boxer who has allegedly been selling cocaine. Delaying -- the
:07:14. > :07:16.
:07:16. > :07:25.Sunday Telegraph has the makings of a scandal here, with Lord Rennard,
:07:25. > :07:32.and Ben Fogle recovering after having his drink spiked. This
:07:32. > :07:42.Cardinal has condemned homosexuality in the past and now
:07:42. > :07:43.
:07:43. > :07:53.on the front page. The Scotland on Sunday - the SNP seizes on UK
:07:53. > :07:59.
:07:59. > :08:09.credit humiliation, they say. With me to review the papers are Sarah
:08:09. > :08:11.
:08:11. > :08:15.Baxter and Kwasi Kwarteng. This is a provocative story about Britain
:08:15. > :08:19.losing the triple A credit rating, but I think a lot of that will be
:08:19. > :08:25.priced in so quite how the journalists have foreseen sterling
:08:25. > :08:30.will fall tomorrow, I am not sure, but this will have implications for
:08:30. > :08:34.holiday makers coming in the summer. Fines will be more expensive, so we
:08:34. > :08:40.will have to wait and see. You are not thinking the Chancellor should
:08:40. > :08:47.go? No, it is very easy to have a knee-jerk reaction to these things,
:08:47. > :08:53.but once growth had not come in the economy it was clear the credit
:08:53. > :09:03.rating would be under pressure. do think George Osborne's own
:09:03. > :09:11.ratings are taking a tumble, and a lot of stories are very new --
:09:11. > :09:15.mutinous, always up against somebody. Do you think George
:09:15. > :09:20.Osborne will last until the next election? Or yes, I would like to
:09:20. > :09:25.see more corporation tax cuts to run centre vies businesses but I
:09:25. > :09:29.think generally we have the right approach. There is no big volunteer
:09:29. > :09:35.for his job because I think William Hague has been telling people he
:09:35. > :09:40.doesn't want it. Maybe George Osborne is there for the duration.
:09:40. > :09:45.The Lib Dems are also on the rack over these sex pest allegations. I
:09:45. > :09:50.don't think Lord Rennard, not a household name but a former Lib Dem
:09:50. > :09:55.party chief, would ever be on the front pages of the newspapers if we
:09:55. > :10:00.were not about to see a very bitterly contested by-election.
:10:00. > :10:10.Eastleigh coming up very soon this week. There is a lot of heat around
:10:10. > :10:16.the story and it is whether to do - - to do with whether the Lib Dems
:10:16. > :10:20.were told. I think Lord Rennard has been very close to Nick Clegg and
:10:20. > :10:26.people within the party who are not supporters of Nick Clegg are
:10:26. > :10:32.perhaps using the story to try to undermine him. Let's see.
:10:32. > :10:42.Again, we have the same story - did Nick Clegg know about the sex
:10:42. > :10:42.
:10:42. > :10:48.scandal? It is not very clear. is not very clear, and they are
:10:48. > :10:51.denying it fervently. There seems to be a Facebook exchange between
:10:51. > :10:56.some Lib Dems saying Nick Clegg knows about this and hasn't done
:10:56. > :11:04.anything, but it is all very allegedly, and Lord Rennard denies
:11:04. > :11:09.the allegations himself. What will have got here, the Mail on Sunday
:11:09. > :11:16.saying there is a shock lead for the Tories in Eastleigh. This fight
:11:16. > :11:22.is leading to a lot of this. On sex scandals, there was a separate one
:11:22. > :11:26.that you have in the Observer. is very interesting about the UK's
:11:26. > :11:31.top cardinal accused of inappropriate at spy priests. We
:11:31. > :11:35.have another story here about the Vatican, saying that they have got
:11:35. > :11:40.to clean up their laps. We will have a new Pope in the next month
:11:40. > :11:43.so this puts the spotlight on the Catholic Church with regard to
:11:43. > :11:51.possibly inappropriate behaviour of their priests and also looking to
:11:51. > :11:56.the new head of the Church who can steer them to a brighter future.
:11:56. > :12:01.Another secretive organisation, the BBC, you have something on that?
:12:01. > :12:06.the problems in the BBC began with Jimmy Savile and Major allegations
:12:06. > :12:15.against him for groping and far worse. There is a story in the
:12:15. > :12:21.Sunday Times this morning saying the knives are coming out for Lord
:12:21. > :12:26.Patten, whether he will be staying as chairman. He said this has been
:12:26. > :12:34.the worst experience of his whole life. They interviewed him in hung
:12:34. > :12:39.Kong in a mansion and he had lost his seat in Bath, and he said very
:12:39. > :12:44.sadly all political careers end in failure. I thought he was here in
:12:44. > :12:50.the governor's mansion, what is so terrible about that? He has so many
:12:50. > :12:55.great public service jobs - will this one end in failure? What is
:12:55. > :13:01.your take on this? Do you think the Jimmy Savile scandal has been well
:13:01. > :13:06.handled? It hasn't been from a PR point of view, but Lord Patten has
:13:06. > :13:10.had a lot of experience and high profile jobs, but in this instance
:13:10. > :13:15.it is slightly unlucky for him because all of this happened years
:13:15. > :13:21.before he was involved so he has had to carry the can for things
:13:21. > :13:27.that happened decades before he got into the role, in many cases.
:13:27. > :13:33.for another person in the public eye, Oscar Pistorius. This is a
:13:33. > :13:38.fascinating, ongoing story. This newspaper is suggesting that the
:13:38. > :13:45.model's family were told that Oscar Pistorius beat her with a cricket
:13:45. > :13:49.bat. On the night itself? Yes, that is the suggestion. They are
:13:50. > :13:53.suggesting the details of the post- mortem was suppressed or somehow
:13:53. > :14:03.withheld during the bail application hearing. Things are
:14:03. > :14:07.looking quite grim in terms of his potential guilt, but I'm not sure
:14:07. > :14:11.where the Mail on Sunday have picked this up from. It does add a
:14:11. > :14:18.new dimension to the story. They this is a remarkable story, and
:14:18. > :14:22.horrible as well. I have to say a big lawyer in the US made an
:14:22. > :14:29.interesting point saying that many celebrities are interested in
:14:29. > :14:34.getting off the hook immediately and we don't know if Oscar
:14:34. > :14:38.Pistorius's lawyer has said some things to get him bail but it may
:14:38. > :14:42.contradict things that come out later in the trial, and then it
:14:42. > :14:51.will look worse. The idea that you shoot into the bathroom door
:14:51. > :14:56.because you hear the noise, maybe in that country you do? The lawyer
:14:56. > :15:03.is interesting because he was the OJ Simpson's lawyer, and he got him
:15:03. > :15:13.off so he has an insight into the nature of celebrities. It all feels
:15:13. > :15:20.
:15:20. > :15:25.very familiar. Let's look at Italy. This is quite an interesting
:15:25. > :15:29.election, because it could be the end of Silvio Berlusconi. He is
:15:29. > :15:36.still quite popular in Italy, he has done a populist things, he is
:15:36. > :15:40.promising rebates on taxes, he is having an aggressive campaign, but
:15:40. > :15:46.it is unlikely he will pull off a surprise victory. It is
:15:46. > :15:49.extraordinary how resilient he has been. This story is about a
:15:49. > :15:59.comedian trying to stand up to the rotten political elite in the
:15:59. > :16:01.
:16:01. > :16:06.country, and he might do quite well, the story is suggesting. Lastly, I
:16:06. > :16:13.love the peace by Hilary Mantel which you can reach -- you can read
:16:13. > :16:19.it in full. Why has she taken out of context? Yes. I think so. It is
:16:19. > :16:22.a brilliant article. She also speaks about meeting the Queen,
:16:22. > :16:29.looking at her as if she was a cannibal looking at her dinner.
:16:29. > :16:39.That is how we view the royals. You can read it all in the Sunday Times.
:16:39. > :16:39.
:16:39. > :16:49.You can also see what the Mail on Sunday is doing... These days, you
:16:49. > :16:50.
:16:50. > :16:55.do not even need paparazzi photos, you can go to their Facebook. They
:16:55. > :17:02.have Prince Harry's girlfriend. think Hilary Mantel has done quite
:17:02. > :17:05.well out of the story. As an author, publicity is a great thing. I was
:17:05. > :17:10.wondering whether she would complain about being taken out of
:17:10. > :17:20.context, but she has not said that until now because she decided it
:17:20. > :17:20.
:17:20. > :17:30.doesn't matter. You have some news about Oscars doc mac yes, all the
:17:30. > :17:34.
:17:35. > :17:41.films have political angles, about slavery, about the CA, about the
:17:41. > :17:49.assassination of Osama Bin Laden, and the French Revolution. -- about
:17:49. > :17:53.the CIA. I'm not really sure if that last one is relevant. But it
:17:53. > :17:59.is saying the big triumph this year has been political movies. Daniel
:17:59. > :18:04.Day-Lewis, who was on the show a few weeks back, could get his third
:18:04. > :18:10.Best actor Oscar. Every time he gets a bigger Ward, he goes
:18:10. > :18:15.off.Shoe-making in Tuscany. We all thought he was going to start as a
:18:15. > :18:22.shoemaker in a film but apparently he just wanted to do it. Now,
:18:22. > :18:32.apparently he wants to be a stonemason. One more? Yes, I love
:18:32. > :18:33.
:18:33. > :18:39.the story about pandas. Basically, we're all queuing up for the panda
:18:39. > :18:44.mating season, and apparently great things are going on to get the
:18:44. > :18:50.pandas in the mood for Love, they are getting little teasing glimpses
:18:50. > :18:55.of each other, the male one is practising handstands. Do not get
:18:55. > :18:59.too excited, I sent a reporter down for exclusive coverage of the
:18:59. > :19:07.pandas last year after they had arrived and we waited and waited
:19:07. > :19:12.with bated breath, nothing happened. Will it be the same again? It is
:19:12. > :19:22.very difficult to get in them -- to very difficult to get in them -- to
:19:22. > :19:22.
:19:22. > :19:27.get them going. Now the weather. Is I do not think so. The week ahead
:19:27. > :19:32.will be mainly dry and cold. Probably not as cold as it will
:19:32. > :19:38.feel today, another cold they across the board. Lots of ploughed
:19:38. > :19:43.spilling our way today, and some light snow. Many places will be dry.
:19:43. > :19:47.-- a lot of cloud. Strengthening wind in the south-east, sunshine in
:19:47. > :19:50.the west and north. The best of the sunshine will be in Northern
:19:50. > :19:57.Ireland and western Scotland after a frosty start this morning. It
:19:57. > :20:03.might brighten up in East Scotland, with some brief showers in
:20:03. > :20:08.Murrayfield where the rugby is in Edinburgh. Some brighter skies in
:20:08. > :20:13.the north-west, and in Wales, south-west England, some wintry
:20:13. > :20:17.flurries commanded the south-east, it will feel much colder, with this
:20:17. > :20:26.cold when developing. That will die down overnight, continuing to blow
:20:26. > :20:34.in some light or sleek snow showers. Further west and north, where we
:20:34. > :20:41.have clearer skies, a rural areas down to minus two degrees. It
:20:41. > :20:48.should not last long, it will be a bright day on Monday. Clyde will
:20:48. > :20:57.fill in a cloudy day. Some like rain. -- the rain will be light. So
:20:57. > :21:01.-- a bitter wind in south-east After the phone hacking scandal
:21:01. > :21:04.there was general agreement in political circles that something
:21:04. > :21:08.must be done to restrain the press from such behaviour in future. So
:21:08. > :21:14.far there is no do so -- there is no agreement on what. Prime
:21:14. > :21:17.Minister rejected Lord Justice Leveson's proposal, the
:21:17. > :21:24.Conservatives put forward an alternative plan involving a Royal
:21:24. > :21:34.Charter. Does that go anyway it to satisfy Labour? They backed Lord
:21:34. > :21:38.
:21:38. > :21:44.Justice Leveson, as did Milly This seems to be running into the
:21:44. > :21:48.sand. I hope it is not running into the sand. It has been going on for
:21:48. > :21:52.a long time. Lord Justice Leveson conducted his enquiry for year and
:21:52. > :21:55.gave his report three months ago. We back the Prime Minister in
:21:55. > :22:01.setting up the Leveson enquiry and we agreed with him when he said we
:22:01. > :22:06.should all agreed to implement the enquiry as long as it is not
:22:06. > :22:11.bonkers. It is clearly sensible. We should get on with it. He has had
:22:11. > :22:16.second thoughts, hasn't he? I hope he has not had second thoughts and
:22:16. > :22:20.I hope he is not getting leant on by the press. What happened to
:22:20. > :22:27.people was absolutely horrible, they were torn apart by the press,
:22:27. > :22:30.and... It is been dealt with by the police. Unfortunately, it is not
:22:30. > :22:34.just a question for the criminal justice system because the press
:22:34. > :22:38.should have their own code of conduct. We are speaking about them
:22:38. > :22:41.being accountable to the standards they set themselves. We need to
:22:41. > :22:46.make sure we do not have a problem which has been a problem for
:22:46. > :22:54.decades, which is that they have a code of conduct that they do not
:22:54. > :23:02.abide by. Let us speak about what is proposed here. The question is,
:23:02. > :23:09.given David Cameron has changed tack somewhat, they are suggesting
:23:09. > :23:13.IPCC plus, with a Royal Charter, does that not sound pretty good?
:23:13. > :23:17.Because we want all-party agreement, we do not want a political argument
:23:17. > :23:24.about this. Lord Justice Leveson said it was important we go forward
:23:24. > :23:28.with all parties agreeing, as have victims of press abuse. We have
:23:29. > :23:33.bent over backwards to try to reach agreement. We thought the proposal
:23:33. > :23:40.of having a statute to set it up was sensible. The Conservatives
:23:40. > :23:44.said they do not agree with that. Why not a royal charter? We will
:23:44. > :23:50.definitely look at that but it cannot drive a coach and horses
:23:50. > :23:54.through Lord Justice Leveson's enquiry. It must be delivering the
:23:54. > :24:01.standards. We are prepared to reach agreement on a but not if it
:24:01. > :24:06.Watters it down, because the press do not agree with it. -- not if it
:24:06. > :24:10.will water down. It is time for the Prime Minister to man up, step
:24:10. > :24:14.forward and do it. Then we will agree with him and supported.
:24:14. > :24:17.moment on the detail, I mentioned this enhanced Press Complaints
:24:17. > :24:23.Commission, the look that constantly by a recognition body
:24:23. > :24:28.set up by royal charter. Why does that not it will make it
:24:28. > :24:34.sufficiently independent? It could do but you must prevent ministers
:24:34. > :24:38.tampering with the Royal Charter, established by the Privy Council,
:24:38. > :24:41.essentially ministers. You must make sure the press cannot lean on
:24:41. > :24:45.ministers to water it down as it goes along. That is something they
:24:45. > :24:47.need to address. Also you've got to make sure the press are not
:24:47. > :24:52.involved in appointing the body that will be auditing them because
:24:52. > :24:57.that will be the same as we have got there, editors marking their
:24:57. > :25:00.own homework. There are changes that need to happen in the
:25:00. > :25:07.government proposals which will bring it up to compliance in
:25:07. > :25:13.Leveson, we will agree on that. there is no compromise, this will
:25:13. > :25:17.not happen. We are prepared, instead of going through the
:25:17. > :25:23.statutory road, looking as a combination of world stature --
:25:23. > :25:32.Royal Charter and statutory routes. It must be Leveson compliant, and
:25:32. > :25:36.if you look at it, Parliament is growing impatient. The House of
:25:37. > :25:44.Lords have voted to put it forward. It would be better to reach
:25:44. > :25:53.agreement. It is for the Conservatives to take this
:25:53. > :25:58.opportunity to sort out what has been wrong for decades. We had the
:25:58. > :26:01.McCanns on a couple weeks ago. They were not happy with what Leveson
:26:01. > :26:05.was proposing and it looks as though they will not get anywhere
:26:05. > :26:14.near that. We need a balanced report that protect the victims who
:26:14. > :26:17.pose no challenge to the freedom of the press. That is what we have to
:26:17. > :26:21.find it amongst ourselves to implement. None of us would want to
:26:22. > :26:27.walk a minute in the shoes of these people, the victims, what happened
:26:27. > :26:31.to them was absolutely terrible, and we have a responsibility and an
:26:31. > :26:35.opportunity to make sure it does not happen again. They gave
:26:35. > :26:39.evidence to the Leveson enquiry and that really cost them, do actually
:26:39. > :26:42.have to expose what happened to them all for again, they did it
:26:42. > :26:49.because they believed it would bring about change. That is what we
:26:49. > :26:59.must not fail at. Separately, you are beginning an audit, is this the
:26:59. > :26:59.
:26:59. > :27:02.right word? Of all the women in public life, business, broadcasting.
:27:02. > :27:06.There is a new generation of women whose lives are very different to
:27:06. > :27:12.their parents' lives, in better health, who regard themselves as
:27:12. > :27:17.being equal to men, and are not happy to be told, sorry, you are
:27:17. > :27:21.heading up to 60, you must be passed it. In public life that is
:27:21. > :27:25.very evident, including broadcasting, it is welcome do you
:27:25. > :27:32.see many young woman blazing a trail, but a kind of disappear out
:27:32. > :27:36.of sight as soon as they reach their 50s. We do not think that is
:27:36. > :27:41.acceptable, it wastes talent and expertise, it is discriminatory and
:27:42. > :27:50.women will not put up with it. You are heading into your prime, you
:27:50. > :27:57.have 20 years of building up... like to point out and 47! If you
:27:57. > :28:02.were a woman you would feel you're on borrowed time. On the economy,
:28:02. > :28:05.this is the big news today, Britain has lost the triple-A rating. There
:28:05. > :28:12.is a huge debate about whether you spend more, stimulate the economy,
:28:12. > :28:17.which is the Labour plan, or tackle the deficit and therefore cut. We
:28:17. > :28:21.argue on that? We recognise the reason why the deficit has not been
:28:22. > :28:27.going down is because the economy has not been growing. The way to
:28:27. > :28:32.get growth is a one-nation approach, invest in people, in industry,
:28:33. > :28:37.infrastructure, at help the economy grow. The trouble is, if George
:28:37. > :28:43.Osborne does not understand what is going on and will not change course,
:28:43. > :28:48.people face more years whether our children can ever get a job, moving
:28:48. > :28:54.out of home, living standards falling back, and really, how many
:28:54. > :29:03.more signs does he need before he realises that the economic plan has
:29:03. > :29:07.failed and has made things worse? We were speaking in the paper's
:29:07. > :29:11.review about the BBC and the Jimmy Savile scandal, the closing chapter
:29:11. > :29:18.of what has been happening, dying that in with the Lord Rennard issue
:29:18. > :29:21.at the Lib Dems, different story, do you see of the mayor of the way
:29:21. > :29:26.big organisations deal with allegations? -- connecting that
:29:26. > :29:30.with the Lord Rennard issue. I hope as a result of the enquiry is
:29:30. > :29:34.happening within the BBC the BBC retains its self-confidence, it is
:29:34. > :29:38.such an important institution, backed by everybody in this country,
:29:38. > :29:43.and they need to sort out the management and that is a job for
:29:44. > :29:47.the new director-general together with the chair of the BBC Trust.
:29:47. > :29:51.There is a feeling of when will we ever learn that if allegations are
:29:51. > :29:56.made against people in top positions, they must not be swept
:29:57. > :30:01.under the carpet? They must be investigated, they must be looked
:30:01. > :30:05.at independently. You cannot have the situation where people are able
:30:05. > :30:08.to be exploited because the people exploiting them are in senior
:30:08. > :30:13.positions and therefore the organisation gathers round them
:30:13. > :30:18.rather than really holds them to account. It is a kind of question
:30:18. > :30:24.whether we will ever learn, whether it is the church, political parties,
:30:24. > :30:28.organisations like the BBC. People in power cannot be allowed to abuse
:30:28. > :30:33.people they are powerless. Obviously I am not making a
:30:33. > :30:36.judgement about these allegations but they must be investigated. It
:30:36. > :30:46.must be independent because organisations cannot investigate
:30:46. > :30:53.
:30:53. > :31:01.$:/STARTFEED. Pope Benedict's decision to abdicate took the
:31:01. > :31:06.Vatican by surprise. Up to 100,000 people are expected to gather this
:31:06. > :31:12.morning in St Peter's Square for his final blessing, so who will
:31:12. > :31:18.fill his shoes? Can the successor Steer the Catholic Church at a time
:31:18. > :31:28.of division, scandal, and continuing criticism from survivors
:31:28. > :31:29.
:31:29. > :31:36.of clerical abuse. I am joined now by Cardinal Cormack Murphy O'Connor.
:31:36. > :31:41.How does it work - Sunday prayers and that is it? A There is a big
:31:41. > :31:48.audience on Wednesday in the square, then he meets the Cardinals on
:31:48. > :31:57.Thursday morning. I will be joining them for that. You played a role in
:31:57. > :32:02.the conclave last time and you will be advising this time. Yes, he is
:32:02. > :32:12.having his last meeting with the Cardinals on the Thursday morning
:32:12. > :32:18.
:32:18. > :32:28.and then in the evening he takes a helicopter away. Do you think time
:32:28. > :32:31.
:32:31. > :32:35.will show his position on different issues were a mistake? No I don't.
:32:35. > :32:40.The cardinals will not be thinking about those issues, they will be
:32:40. > :32:46.thinking about what kind of man they want at this present time.
:32:46. > :32:52.What Cardinal has the spiritual quality necessary? Someone who can
:32:52. > :32:59.be a bridge maker within the Church and also looking at our very new
:32:59. > :33:09.world. Look king of the figures for Irish Catholics yesterday - 80%
:33:09. > :33:14.
:33:14. > :33:22.attended Mass once a week in the 1980s, now what is 30%. -- now it
:33:22. > :33:27.is 35%. The main change is one of faith in a secular world. The main
:33:27. > :33:33.thing for the Pope really is to give an example of how the members
:33:33. > :33:37.of the Church can be strengthened in their faith in Jesus Christ.
:33:37. > :33:43.me ask about some of the doubts of the cardinals who will be voting.
:33:43. > :33:49.You will have seen the story about Cardinal Keith O'Brien, allegations
:33:49. > :33:55.that he made passes at male colleagues several years ago.
:33:55. > :34:01.obviously I was very sad to hear that. The Cardinal has denied the
:34:01. > :34:05.allegations so we will have to see how that pounds out. Yes, there
:34:05. > :34:09.have been other cases which have been a great scandal to the Church
:34:09. > :34:14.over the past few years and the Church has faced up to some of them
:34:14. > :34:21.very well indeed. To give you another one - a cardinal who
:34:21. > :34:31.covered up child abuse by priests and America is insisting on playing
:34:31. > :34:35.
:34:35. > :34:40.a role in choosing the next Pope, Cardinal Brady. He is a friend of
:34:40. > :34:45.mine and has tackled the question of child abuse as well as he can,
:34:45. > :34:52.and it has been tackled in Ireland, and people are becoming more
:34:52. > :34:58.reassured that the Church, in dealing with this question, is
:34:58. > :35:03.doing so with a transparent way. We dealt with this issue in England
:35:03. > :35:07.and Wales over 10 years ago when we set up an inquiry that have very
:35:07. > :35:13.strict guidelines on how to deal with the allegations. How will the
:35:13. > :35:21.Church deal with the case of Cardinal Keith O'Brien for example?
:35:21. > :35:28.I don't know, this will be up to Cardinal Keith O'Brien himself, in
:35:28. > :35:32.terms of how he faces the allegations. The Church can't
:35:32. > :35:37.investigate him, and he can't investigate himself, so what will
:35:37. > :35:42.the Church do? It I think the Cardinal is very close to
:35:42. > :35:49.retirement and life suspect that his resignation, which is already
:35:49. > :35:56.with the Pope, then presumably that will be accepted. I think the
:35:56. > :35:59.Church could say, with the serious allegations hanging over him you
:35:59. > :36:09.can't play a part in choosing the next Pope, otherwise he will be
:36:09. > :36:13.doing it. That is up to him to decide. Up to him? Yes, and I think
:36:13. > :36:18.rightly so. These allegations have not been proved. Won't people look
:36:18. > :36:23.at that answer and say that is exactly the problem, that the
:36:23. > :36:29.Church tends to hide people when they get into this situation?
:36:29. > :36:34.don't think so, nowadays there is a sense of transparency and
:36:34. > :36:41.allegations made against a person, whatever they are, they are
:36:41. > :36:44.examined clearly, honestly, and appropriate action is taken. There
:36:44. > :36:50.will be so with Cardinal Keith O'Brien but we must listen to what
:36:51. > :36:55.he has to say. The next Pope will have the current Pope living in a
:36:55. > :37:03.flat round the corner, which could be tricky, and I won't say who is
:37:03. > :37:08.your money on? Looking at the newspapers, what nationality, quite
:37:08. > :37:14.frankly I don't know. Anybody could be, even somebody not in the
:37:14. > :37:21.conclave. Because the runners and riders are quite conservative bunch.
:37:21. > :37:25.Do you want to hear some different voices in there? I think they
:37:25. > :37:30.Cardinals know each other, perhaps not as well as they should, and
:37:30. > :37:38.that will be the task of the first 10 days. People are putting money
:37:38. > :37:42.on. The Daily Mirror it even had me down as 150-1. I think the fact of
:37:42. > :37:49.the matter is that the Cardinals are there to discuss together
:37:49. > :37:57.before God, to make a very some UN decision. When I was at the last
:37:57. > :38:03.conclave in 2005, going up to put one's vote before the Last Judgment
:38:03. > :38:07.in the Sistine Chapel was very sombre, very dramatic. I will be
:38:07. > :38:11.praying that those Cardinals that going to the conclave will make the
:38:12. > :38:19.right decision. A thank you. For the The Curious Incident of the
:38:19. > :38:23.Dog in the Night Time was a quote from Sherlock Holmes, and now
:38:23. > :38:29.perhaps better known as one of the best-selling novels of the last 10
:38:29. > :38:32.years. Mark Haddon has won numerous awards for this book about a
:38:32. > :38:37.character who describes himself as a mathematician with some
:38:37. > :38:42.behavioural difficulties. The novelist says cities a story about
:38:42. > :38:47.being an outsider, about family relationships and secrets. The
:38:47. > :38:53.stage adaptation is about to move into the West End in London. I am
:38:53. > :38:58.joined now by Mark Haddon, the author, and Niamh Cusack who stars
:38:58. > :39:03.in the production. You resisted the temptation of saying I want to
:39:03. > :39:10.write this for the stage. It is like a doctor operating on his own
:39:10. > :39:15.child, your hand is far too shaky. The do feel when you're watching it
:39:15. > :39:23.for the first time on stage like running on stage and saying which
:39:23. > :39:29.parts are wrong? The book had almost died for May. It is a
:39:29. > :39:36.terrible thing to say, I have seen it so many times, I can see the
:39:36. > :39:40.funny parts and the sad part. When everyone was sitting round I felt
:39:40. > :39:48.quite tearful because it was like the book was being returned to me.
:39:48. > :39:58.I could read it again like it was the first time. I like mathematics,
:39:58. > :40:11.
:40:12. > :40:16.outer space, and being on my own. 343, 512, 729, 1331. For those who
:40:16. > :40:22.have not read it, which is about three people in the country now,
:40:22. > :40:27.its central figure is Christopher and everybody thinks he has got
:40:27. > :40:36.Asperger's but I know that has been problematic for you. I don't want
:40:36. > :40:40.it to be an issue book. It started with a dog with a fork through it
:40:40. > :40:44.and I thought it is really funny, but only if you describe it with a
:40:45. > :40:51.really flat voice. It was about finding a voice that was appealing,
:40:51. > :40:57.that made you want to carry on reading. Niamh Cusack, what is your
:40:57. > :41:07.role in the play? I love doing it, my part is she Vaughan,
:41:07. > :41:09.
:41:09. > :41:18.Christopher's teacher. She starts off as his teacher, but because she
:41:18. > :41:24.starts reading the book some of the time the -- she is the narrator.
:41:24. > :41:28.Because she gets Christopher, she is his soulmate. I think at the
:41:28. > :41:33.beginning of the play, the audience start with one very simple story
:41:33. > :41:41.and then a lot of other things come into it like the story of the
:41:41. > :41:44.family. I think because of that my character it is a lot of things -
:41:44. > :41:50.sometimes his angel, sometimes his soulmate, sometimes the storyteller,
:41:50. > :41:56.and sometimes the teacher. Does it replaced the narration of
:41:56. > :42:01.Christopher in the book? A know, we share that. Some of the time, he is
:42:01. > :42:05.in it, and when he gets to London he is narrating the story and I am
:42:05. > :42:11.more somebody in his head. describe it as one of the most
:42:11. > :42:16.challenging parts you have done - why so? Because there are a lot of
:42:16. > :42:21.different voices, sometimes I am trying to honour his voice,
:42:21. > :42:25.sometimes I am in his head, and sometimes I am talking to the
:42:25. > :42:31.audience. I like talking to the audience and you have to in this
:42:31. > :42:36.part. 10 years on, what do people say about this book? I saw you
:42:36. > :42:41.speaking recently saying it has become a textbook for the police
:42:41. > :42:48.have to handle troubled children and so on, and you don't like that?
:42:48. > :42:54.It's fine. I feel like the book doesn't belong to me any more. The
:42:54. > :43:00.book feels about 35 years old to me now - sturdy, has a job, lives
:43:00. > :43:05.somewhere else. I talked to it occasionally but that is it. A mark
:43:05. > :43:10.has thrown a stone into the lake and there are a lot of ripple
:43:10. > :43:15.effect and the play is like Simon Stevens, the writer, and the
:43:15. > :43:20.director, and all of the people involved, the designers, the music,
:43:20. > :43:27.the actors, they're adding to the ripples and examining them so you
:43:27. > :43:32.are getting more of the book. the audience come, they also add to
:43:32. > :43:35.that because it will be owned by them in the theatre. That is the
:43:35. > :43:42.exciting thing about bringing this book into the theatre because it
:43:42. > :43:46.will be a very Shared Experience's. You read a book on your own, but in
:43:46. > :43:50.the theatre it will be a joint venture. Thank you.
:43:50. > :43:54.It is nearly two years since the government unveiled a radical plan
:43:54. > :43:59.to get the economy growing. There have been many more initiatives
:43:59. > :44:03.since and yet in Labour's language the economy has flat lined and the
:44:03. > :44:08.credit rating agency which downgraded the UK says it expects
:44:08. > :44:12.the sluggishness to exist for years to come. Are there any new levers
:44:12. > :44:18.the government can't Paul? The business secretary Vince Cable
:44:18. > :44:23.joins me now from his home. In the newspapers this story about your
:44:23. > :44:28.colleague Lord Rennard and the sexual allegations, let's begin
:44:28. > :44:33.with that. Did you know about these allegations? If absolutely not.
:44:33. > :44:37.Nick Clegg has also said he was not aware of these allegations until
:44:37. > :44:42.they appeared on television last week, but we take them very
:44:42. > :44:46.seriously. It is obviously wrong if there are women who have made
:44:46. > :44:56.complaints and feel they have not been dealt with properly so we want
:44:56. > :45:01.
:45:01. > :45:05.an investigative process with an The accounts on Channel 4 had two
:45:05. > :45:12.women appearing and describing the situation. Worryingly, for your
:45:12. > :45:20.party, the Chief Whip was told, so we did the allegations go to after
:45:20. > :45:25.that? The purpose of setting up an enquiry under the party president
:45:25. > :45:30.and the TV gated is to establish exactly who said what to whom, and
:45:30. > :45:38.whether these allegations were pursued. -- the party president and
:45:38. > :45:42.the executives. They relate to the party chairman five to 10 years ago,
:45:42. > :45:47.it is important that we wait until the investigation has taken place.
:45:47. > :45:51.It will have an independent element, it is very important that when
:45:51. > :45:58.complaints are made they are properly investigated. That is what
:45:58. > :46:03.we will now do. When Lord red card stood down a couple of years ago
:46:03. > :46:13.citing health reasons, he then came back into the party, but when he
:46:13. > :46:22.stood down, was there is any part of the reason? -- when Lord red
:46:22. > :46:29.card stood down was this part of the reason? -- Rennard. As far as I
:46:29. > :46:33.am concerned he was standing down for issues of health. These
:46:33. > :46:36.allegations must be looked at. It is not acceptable that we have a
:46:36. > :46:41.grip of women who are clearly distressed about what happened,
:46:41. > :46:47.have made complaints and we need to get to the root of that. -- a group
:46:47. > :46:55.of women. You see this as a serious matter? Of course it is, and we
:46:55. > :47:03.must take this seriously. We will move on to the AAA rating, does
:47:03. > :47:08.that matter economically for this Government? It is largely symbolic.
:47:08. > :47:13.In terms of the economy, there is no reason to downgrade should have
:47:13. > :47:19.any impact. If you remember last year, the United States was
:47:19. > :47:23.downgraded, the economy grew strongly relative to Europe.
:47:23. > :47:30.President Obama was elected. France had a downgrade last year, their
:47:30. > :47:35.interest rates are only a little bit above virus. These things do
:47:35. > :47:40.not affect the real economy necessarily, but they reflect the
:47:40. > :47:43.fact that we're going to do from time. We are balancing the need to
:47:43. > :47:48.get the budget under control with the need to get back to economic
:47:48. > :47:53.growth. Getting these things together is tricky. The reason
:47:53. > :47:56.people think it matters is you kept telling us it matters. George
:47:56. > :48:06.Osborne said it is absolutely essential we do not have the
:48:06. > :48:07.
:48:07. > :48:10.downgrade. Finance ministers are bound to be concerned about
:48:10. > :48:15.anything that affects the confidence in the country, and the
:48:15. > :48:23.terms on which we borrow, but if we put it in a wider context, the
:48:23. > :48:27.rating agencies have a pretty bad record. They get some things wrong.
:48:27. > :48:32.They are part of the background noise we need to take into account.
:48:32. > :48:36.What we need to focus on is the real economy, getting gross back.
:48:36. > :48:43.This is difficult because the economy is damaged. -- getting
:48:43. > :48:49.growth back. We have legacy problems of the deficit, we have an
:48:49. > :48:54.overhang of debt, trying to move from that to growing the economy is
:48:54. > :49:02.not easy. There are positive things happening, the figures on
:49:02. > :49:08.unemployment are reassuring. There is export growth. You are being
:49:08. > :49:11.hammered in the papers today, the Government is faltering, but the
:49:11. > :49:16.commentators are split down the middle over whether you need to
:49:16. > :49:24.splurge to stimulate the economy or whether you need to cut to show the
:49:24. > :49:29.ratings agencies you are serious about tackling the deficit. Where
:49:29. > :49:32.do you stand? We need to do two things simultaneously, reduce the
:49:32. > :49:37.structural deficit, and we have a plan to do that which we will
:49:37. > :49:43.continue with, and also stimulate the economy and get it growing at
:49:43. > :49:51.the same time. To embark on a slash-and-burn policy would be
:49:51. > :49:55.counter-productive, and we will not go there. I am concentrating on the
:49:55. > :50:02.factors that create real long-term growth, Skill Training, supporting
:50:02. > :50:07.manufacturing, exports, investing in science. These things matter.
:50:07. > :50:11.You stimulus so far, the idea of guaranteeing bank lending to
:50:11. > :50:20.business, does not seem to be working, it is almost two torturous
:50:20. > :50:27.a process to get the money into the economy. We are dealing with very
:50:27. > :50:35.badly damaged banks. The legacy consequences have been enormous.
:50:35. > :50:39.They are withdrawing credit from small and medium-sized companies. I
:50:39. > :50:42.am creating more diversity and funding for small-scale business,
:50:42. > :50:45.the government has a lending scheme operating through the Bank of
:50:45. > :50:51.England. We are trying lots of interventions to get the economy
:50:51. > :50:57.moving. They are not working. working but slowly, and there are
:50:57. > :51:03.pressures in the opposite direction. When you have this legacy problem
:51:03. > :51:08.of an enormous deficit, all the other countries that have been
:51:08. > :51:13.through this have found it difficult to get it right. There is
:51:13. > :51:18.a piece in the papers today but says what you must do is not
:51:18. > :51:24.stimulate the economy in the way you're describing,/the spending to
:51:25. > :51:29.fund tax cuts, that is what you need to do. -- what you describing,
:51:29. > :51:37.you must cut the spending to fund tax cuts. He is a right-wing
:51:37. > :51:42.ideologue. We must have fiscal discipline. We must reduce the
:51:42. > :51:47.deficit problem, caused by the fact that a large part of revenue which
:51:47. > :51:51.we used to get from the Bank and the housing market has gone. We
:51:51. > :51:55.have to reduce that deficit, which we are doing, but we must also
:51:55. > :52:02.invest in the future and grow, and the prescriptions of Mark
:52:02. > :52:05.Littlewood are seriously unhelpful. Anyone listening will see if you
:52:05. > :52:08.are having it both ways. Maybe this sums up the difficulty of your
:52:08. > :52:14.position. In December, the figures show was the government was
:52:14. > :52:22.spending about �500 million per day more than it was taking in tax. --
:52:22. > :52:25.the figures show everybody. depends what the spending is poor.
:52:25. > :52:30.We need to reduce government current spending, that's what we're
:52:30. > :52:35.trying to do. I've accepted an example, very large cuts are being
:52:35. > :52:42.made in my department. We are operating on Li Na resources. That
:52:42. > :52:48.is necessary. -- less resources. There's lots of investment, in
:52:48. > :52:56.skills, infrastructure, we must continue that. You have an ally in
:52:56. > :53:01.Boris Johnson, who says it is time to junk the rhetoric of austerity,
:53:01. > :53:08.invest in Houses, roads, rail, to get Britain moving again. He says
:53:08. > :53:12.you have not done it fast enough. He is sitting on the sidelines, he
:53:12. > :53:16.does not have responsibility for managing this crisis, but we have
:53:16. > :53:24.to invest in housing, infrastructure, at the same time
:53:24. > :53:28.managing budget discipline. It is very difficult to achieve, and it
:53:28. > :53:37.is unprecedented times, historically, Britain has never
:53:37. > :53:43.experienced at crisis of this kind. It requires lots of patience and
:53:43. > :53:50.discipline. You have not used the phrase Plan B, you have not spell
:53:50. > :53:56.that out, it is pretty much more of the same for you and George Osborne,
:53:56. > :54:04.is it? I have always found this debate about juvenile, what we're
:54:04. > :54:12.talking about is a different planet. You need to have budget discipline
:54:12. > :54:17.but you need to have the Government operating in a way that builds
:54:17. > :54:22.growth. We need to have an agenda of growth at the same time as
:54:22. > :54:30.fiscal discipline. You launched a plan for growth two years ago, you
:54:30. > :54:35.signed it, the first point of the plan says, we must create the most
:54:35. > :54:42.competitive tax system in the G20. Why is your party pushing for a
:54:42. > :54:47.mansion tax and attacks on jewellery? -- taxing jewellery?
:54:47. > :54:53.are not arguing for that, we are supporting a mansion tax, it is at
:54:53. > :54:59.nothing to do with undermining competitiveness. It is taxing
:54:59. > :55:05.extreme concentration of wealth. We have supported this policy because
:55:06. > :55:09.it is fair, there are extreme concentrations of wealth, and it is
:55:09. > :55:13.also a way of taxation that prevents the problem of tax
:55:13. > :55:18.avoidance. We have an extraordinary anomaly in the council tax system
:55:18. > :55:28.but if you're in a mansion worth �50 million you pay the same night
:55:28. > :55:30.
:55:30. > :55:35.of tax in a suburban semi- detached House. -- the same amount of tax. A
:55:35. > :55:43.large proportion of the public support the mansion tax. We must
:55:43. > :55:48.get on and do it. Labour have taken the idea and you may have a chance
:55:48. > :55:53.to vote with them against the Conservatives. Would you do that?
:55:53. > :55:56.It depends entirely how the motion is phrased when it is put down in
:55:56. > :56:02.Parliament, we have not got to that stage yet. But you would consider
:56:02. > :56:05.it? We do not rule it out. It is unlikely the Labour Party would
:56:05. > :56:10.resist the temptation to play politics with us but we will see
:56:10. > :56:17.what happens when they put that motion in parliament. Do you want
:56:17. > :56:21.the coalition to hit the rich more in the Budget? I certainly favour
:56:21. > :56:25.the idea of fairness. The Liberal Democrats have favoured taking the
:56:25. > :56:32.tax burden of people at the bottom of the scale, which is why we
:56:32. > :56:39.emphasise the lifting the tax threshold, effectively it would be
:56:39. > :56:43.a tax cut for most people. We do think the very wealthiest people in
:56:43. > :56:47.society could pay more and should pay more, which is why we put
:56:47. > :56:53.forward the idea of a mansion tax. It is attacked on unproductive
:56:53. > :57:03.forms of wealth, in a way that deals with serious anomalies. -- it
:57:03. > :57:06.
:57:06. > :57:13.is attacks. Labour wants to cut tax, National Insurance holidays, at 10
:57:13. > :57:18.pence tax band, are they going in the right direction? They want to
:57:18. > :57:22.cut taxes, increase spending, and they talk about reducing borrowing.
:57:22. > :57:25.It does not add up. They were very popular as in government and did
:57:26. > :57:29.not deal with the problems of the economy, allowed the banking bubble
:57:29. > :57:34.to get out of control and left us with this terrible legacy. We will
:57:34. > :57:42.not be looking to them for economic advice. Thank you for joining us,
:57:42. > :57:45.Vince Cable. And now the news headlines. The Business Secretary
:57:45. > :57:50.Vince Cable has said he was absolutely not aware of allegations
:57:50. > :57:55.of sexual harassment against the former chief executive of the
:57:55. > :57:59.Liberal Democrats. He warned people not to jump to conclusions. He said
:57:59. > :58:05.the party was looking into the matter and the investigation would
:58:05. > :58:12.include an independent component. The chief executive has strongly
:58:12. > :58:19.denied the allegations. Cardinal Keith O'Brien has been accused of
:58:19. > :58:22.inappropriate behaviour towards priests in his care. The Observer
:58:22. > :58:27.newspaper says four people have made official complaints to the
:58:27. > :58:34.Vatican. The allegations against Cardinal Keith O'Brien date back
:58:34. > :58:40.more than 30 years. The former Archbishop of Westminster told this
:58:40. > :58:50.programme Cardinal Keith O'Brien must decide how to respond. He has
:58:50. > :58:53.
:58:53. > :58:59.denied the claims. That is all for China's live from Southampton, we
:58:59. > :59:08.will be asking whether there should be a duty to expose wrongdoing. Do