:00:40. > :00:44.A good morning to you on what we are told will be the warmest day
:00:44. > :00:49.since last September. Spring has sprung, and last. Plenty for you
:00:49. > :00:53.this morning, dominated by Baroness Thatcher, as her funeral approaches.
:00:53. > :00:58.Almost a week after she died, the papers are still crammed with
:00:58. > :01:02.thoughts, analysis and tributes to The Iron Lady. But there's other
:01:02. > :01:07.news, too. Joining us to pick through that are Sandi Toksvig,
:01:07. > :01:10.John Sergeant, the political journalist, and Jane Moore.
:01:10. > :01:17.The details of Wednesday's funeral for Baroness Thatcher have been
:01:17. > :01:22.announced. The great and the good will gather inside St Paul's and
:01:22. > :01:27.the streets outside will be lined with people paying tribute. Others
:01:27. > :01:30.will be gleefully celebrating her departure. This morning we have a
:01:30. > :01:37.glance at the Purcell side of the former Prime Minister, including
:01:37. > :01:41.the secret of her voice. -- the personal side. When you feel
:01:41. > :01:47.strongly about something, a woman's voice can get shrill. I have been
:01:47. > :01:50.conscious of this. I try to deal with it by speaking at the back of
:01:50. > :01:53.my throat. You can lower your voice by speaking at the back of the
:01:53. > :01:57.throat. We would find out more about the
:01:57. > :02:01.controversial figure portrayed by Patricia Hodge, when we speak to
:02:01. > :02:04.the actress about her performance and how she became the Iron Lady.
:02:04. > :02:10.And we will be hearing from three distinguished figures about
:02:10. > :02:15.Margaret Thatcher's legacy, Helena Kennedy, Cecil Parkinson, and, as
:02:15. > :02:21.you can see, our very own Andrew Marr, returning for the first time
:02:21. > :02:25.since his stroke. A very welcome return to him, too. But it is not
:02:25. > :02:29.just about Lady Thatcher this morning. An increasing fears of
:02:29. > :02:32.confrontation involving North Korea and nuclear weapons, the new
:02:32. > :02:38.American Secretary of State, John Kerry, has been holding talks in
:02:38. > :02:46.China. America's acting ambassador to Britain, Barbara Stephenson, who
:02:46. > :02:51.was with John Kerry in London, joins us. First, though, the news.
:02:51. > :02:54.Details have been published of the funeral service for Lady Thatcher
:02:54. > :02:58.or Wednesday. Nine people were arrested last night as hundreds
:02:59. > :03:03.gathered in London to protest against her policies. Supporters of
:03:03. > :03:08.the former Prime Minister have announced plans to set up a library
:03:08. > :03:11.as a permanent memorial to her. As preparations continue at St
:03:11. > :03:16.Paul's Cathedral, more details of Wednesday's service have been
:03:16. > :03:24.released. Lady Thatcher wanted her funeral to be framed by British
:03:24. > :03:28.music. There will be well known hymns, and her granddaughter and
:03:28. > :03:33.the Prime Minister will deliver readings from the Bible.
:03:33. > :03:37.But as her loved ones and supporters prepared to say goodbye,
:03:37. > :03:42.their opponents continue to be heard. Last night, in Trafalgar
:03:42. > :03:46.Square, around 500 people turned up to protest. Some were angry at the
:03:46. > :03:51.public money being spent on her funeral. Others were there to
:03:51. > :03:55.condemn her policies. As far as I'm concerned, she is gone. But we
:03:55. > :04:02.deserve this. I don't think we should respect her because she is
:04:02. > :04:05.dead, because we did not respect to which was alive. Protests came
:04:05. > :04:10.after the first public statement from Carol Thatcher, he thanked
:04:10. > :04:18.those who had shown support. enormous personal thank you who
:04:18. > :04:22.have sent the messages of sympathy. These have given me strength. But I
:04:22. > :04:28.know that this is going to be a tough and tearful week, even for
:04:28. > :04:33.the daughter of the Iron Lady. there are plans for the Iron Lady
:04:33. > :04:37.to be permanently remembered, a museum, library and educational
:04:38. > :04:44.centre to be created, a project Lady Thatcher knew about and left
:04:44. > :04:48.letters of support to. The American Secretary of State has
:04:48. > :04:53.arrived in Tokyo, where he will hold talks with Japanese ministers
:04:53. > :05:00.about the nuclear threat from North Korea. This is John Kerry's third
:05:00. > :05:04.stop on his tour of East Asia. Yesterday, the US and China
:05:04. > :05:10.resolved to work to stop the tensions in North Korea.
:05:10. > :05:17.He arrives in the country on high alert. Top of the agenda will be
:05:17. > :05:20.Japan's near-neighbour, North Korea. It has recently threatened nuclear
:05:20. > :05:24.attacks against Japan, and it is feared the country is preparing a
:05:24. > :05:30.missile launch. The Secretary of State will be looking to reassure
:05:30. > :05:35.Japan of America's support during this crisis. Japan has been taking
:05:35. > :05:38.precautions. Batteries of Patriot missiles have been set up around
:05:38. > :05:42.the capital, with orders to shoot down any rocket heading towards
:05:42. > :05:48.Japanese territory. Warships equipped with interceptors
:05:48. > :05:52.have also been deployed at sea. John Kerry has just arrived from
:05:52. > :05:57.Beijing, where the US and China said they both wanted a peaceful
:05:57. > :06:01.solution to the situation. But officials in Tokyo are worried that
:06:01. > :06:08.any North Korean missile tests could raise tensions once again in
:06:08. > :06:10.the region. The London School of Economics is
:06:11. > :06:14.calling on the BBC to withdraw the next edition of Panorama, claiming
:06:14. > :06:18.a group of its students were put at risk in making the programme. The
:06:18. > :06:21.BBC journalists travelled with them to North Korea to film under cover
:06:21. > :06:25.there. The LSE says it should have been told that the Panorama
:06:25. > :06:29.reporter, John Sweeney, was going into the country with the students.
:06:29. > :06:33.The BBC says the students had been warned in advance about the risks
:06:33. > :06:38.involved and given the opportunity to withdraw. A fifth of complaints
:06:38. > :06:41.to banks about card accounts not being cleared up to the
:06:41. > :06:44.satisfaction of customers, according to Which?. A survey
:06:44. > :06:48.suggesting a quarter have had problems in the last year and said
:06:48. > :06:51.banks needed to do more to put their customers first. The British
:06:52. > :06:56.Bankers Association says news are under way to improve the way
:06:56. > :07:00.complaints are handled. That is all from before now. I will
:07:00. > :07:05.be back just before 10am. Now back to Sophie.
:07:05. > :07:11.The UN the front pages today, let me show you a few of them. -- on
:07:11. > :07:21.the front pages. Parents on measles deaths alert. These are officials
:07:21. > :07:23.
:07:23. > :07:30.in South Wales, who say they have children in hospital. Scotland on
:07:30. > :07:38.Sunday, then. Holyrood snub the Thatcher. This is Ennis Pease who
:07:38. > :07:42.will attack her on the day of her funeral. The Sunday Telegraph, yet
:07:42. > :07:52.more tribute to Lady Thatcher. These are plans to build a monument
:07:52. > :07:54.
:07:54. > :07:58.and library as a permanent memorial. Millions face starvation - that is
:07:58. > :08:06.the Observer. And the Independent on Sunday, they have a bit special
:08:06. > :08:10.story on Guantanamo Bay - President Obama's shame. The Mail on Sunday,
:08:10. > :08:17.this is an interview with the British grandmother who is facing
:08:17. > :08:27.execution in Bali. The Sunday Express, the blustering over cuts
:08:27. > :08:34.
:08:34. > :08:37.The Sun, Sharon and Ozzy Osbourne. Here with me are Jane Moore, John
:08:37. > :08:41.Sergeant and Sandi Toksvig. Let's start with Baroness Thatcher. A
:08:41. > :08:45.huge amount of coverage today. John, are you surprised? I am not
:08:45. > :08:51.surprised. She had such an effect on my life, so we are all looking
:08:51. > :08:59.at these things with our own eyes. To me, I think, yes, it will go on
:08:59. > :09:04.and on, as she did, for so long. It is amazing. I remember Winston
:09:04. > :09:07.Churchill's funeral. Wants to get out of the front pages, where they
:09:08. > :09:13.have tried to stay away from Thatcher, now they cannot resist
:09:13. > :09:22.going through everything. I think that the kip word for it is
:09:22. > :09:26.hustings. It is a political funeral. Also, some of the details are
:09:27. > :09:36.intriguing. We have got a former Lieutenant-Colonel in the KGB, who
:09:37. > :09:37.
:09:37. > :09:44.was invited. And then, who is not going to go? The most intriguing
:09:44. > :09:51.person is the speaker's wife. It is a snub by her. That is
:09:51. > :09:57.extraordinary. She wasn't actually invited in her own right. It is
:09:57. > :10:06.such a nonsensical protest and isn't it? It is a sign, I think a
:10:06. > :10:12.mark of how seriously she takes herself! Churchill's tributes in
:10:12. > :10:19.the House of Commons lasted 45 minutes. Mrs Thatcher's went and
:10:20. > :10:27.Fossett of seven hours. It is astonishing,. -- Mrs Thatcher's
:10:27. > :10:30.went on six or seven hours. Isn't that just verbal diarrhoea, though?
:10:30. > :10:34.It is interesting how tribal it has become. Both sides are
:10:34. > :10:41.mythologising what has happened rather than looking at the facts.
:10:41. > :10:48.think the other thing is that politics in the 1980s was simpler.
:10:48. > :10:53.You were for or against Margaret Thatcher. That did the trick. You
:10:53. > :11:02.would not have to be so concerned about how to reinflate the economy,
:11:02. > :11:08.or those technical issues of today. John, you have picked out an
:11:08. > :11:12.article about one commentator's take on this. Andrew Rawnsley is
:11:12. > :11:22.one of the best. He says that the myths are growing. She was good at
:11:22. > :11:23.
:11:23. > :11:27.putting forward is this. -- these myths. She was brilliant at
:11:27. > :11:37.changing these things around very quickly and then telling the story
:11:37. > :11:37.
:11:37. > :11:43.over and over again. She would have enjoyed the Ferrari. Yes, but she
:11:43. > :11:49.says she was cautious. In the Telegraph, they are making the
:11:50. > :11:57.point that she was good at explaining things. Then we have got
:11:58. > :12:03.the most dramatic headline. I cannot honour Margaret Thatcher -
:12:03. > :12:10.that is John Prescott. A lot of people are saying they cannot on a
:12:10. > :12:14.John Prescott! The article is better than the headline. It is a
:12:14. > :12:18.very thoughtful piece about what went wrong during the Thatcher
:12:18. > :12:25.years. I can see a lot of people thinking it is OK, I wish they did
:12:25. > :12:34.not have the headline. What about this woman who wanted privatisation
:12:34. > :12:37.and a state funeral? That is just what he is saying! Political
:12:37. > :12:45.journalists, the moment you have got Thatcher into the story,
:12:45. > :12:49.everybody is going to say, what about this? There's a lot of focus
:12:49. > :12:52.on the details of the funeral, but also the police and how they are
:12:52. > :12:55.going to handle it. It is interesting have two newspapers
:12:55. > :13:01.have a take on the same story. In the Mail on Sunday, the
:13:01. > :13:03.introduction is, the police commander has provoked outrage by
:13:03. > :13:09.condoning disrespectful demonstrations planned outside the
:13:09. > :13:14.ceremony. Meanwhile, on the front of the Observer, it says here,
:13:14. > :13:21.protesters could be arrested for alarming or distressing people at
:13:21. > :13:27.the funeral. A police chief has warned. So, two different takes on
:13:27. > :13:32.it. What it seems to be is that the commander is saying, well, look, we
:13:32. > :13:41.respect the right to protest, but it could move into criminality, and
:13:41. > :13:45.then we will act. But this quote says, she was concerned the police
:13:45. > :13:53.should not make a judgement calls about manners. Some will question
:13:53. > :13:58.the taste of feudal protests while others will see them as inevitable.
:13:58. > :14:02.-- funeral protests. That is where we are wrong. The police do not
:14:03. > :14:08.concern themselves with a man has any more. In my day, the local
:14:08. > :14:12.policeman would pull the kids up if we were rude. It is the whole
:14:12. > :14:17.broken windows philosophy. If you don't put people up for the little
:14:17. > :14:23.things, it can inflate. Maybe I'm just old! For hundreds of
:14:23. > :14:31.protesters, though, it is tricky. We have no idea how many protesters
:14:31. > :14:35.there will be for a though. There were 100 yesterday. We have no idea.
:14:35. > :14:42.A lot of people are uncomfortable, though, about the idea of protests
:14:42. > :14:45.on the day of a funeral. Thatcher was criticise not for having
:14:45. > :14:51.empathy, but it would be wrong for the critics to have no empathy on
:14:51. > :14:59.the day of her funeral. Let me pick up a story you have got. It is a
:14:59. > :15:06.sharp contrast. Every death is mourned, and this is a 35-year-old
:15:06. > :15:09.man, and he froze to death in Kent. There has been a tremendous
:15:09. > :15:16.increase in the number of homeless people who are suffering in this
:15:16. > :15:23.way. The services are very stretched in places like London,
:15:23. > :15:33.but it is particularly the smaller towns that the cuts are being felt.
:15:33. > :15:35.
:15:35. > :15:41.The increase in people buying like this is shocking. This is a tragic
:15:41. > :15:51.loss, and one should acknowledge him. Jane Moore, a picture you have
:15:51. > :16:06.
:16:06. > :16:10.I spoke about this at the time, about the police and crime
:16:10. > :16:16.commissioners. I do not understand the point of them. They will build
:16:16. > :16:21.up bureaucracy. It turns out that Anne Barnes was quite dismissive of
:16:21. > :16:24.this will herself some time ago. They will have no additional powers
:16:24. > :16:31.to the current police are authorities and are wilful waste of
:16:31. > :16:35.public money. Fast forward a couple of years and she has spent �90,000
:16:35. > :16:42.of taxpayers' funds to hire a chief-of-staff. Then there is the
:16:42. > :16:52.youth crime commissioner, at �15,000. And supposedly she has a
:16:52. > :16:52.
:16:52. > :16:58.�15,000 battle bus. Let's speak about the story which I think a lot
:16:58. > :17:02.of people will be cheered by. warmer weather is on its way. This
:17:02. > :17:07.is a man who is a naturalist with the natural Trott -- with the
:17:07. > :17:12.National Trust. He says that southern migrant birds such as
:17:12. > :17:19.swallows and house martins should arrive this weekend. He says that
:17:19. > :17:25.early spring often ends in tears. There is a long record of good
:17:25. > :17:31.summers following a late springs. hope they're not going to promise
:17:31. > :17:37.barbecue summers. Look at for the house martins, because they are
:17:37. > :17:44.wonderful. When I am in London, I live on a boat on the river, and
:17:44. > :17:50.the sound of the birds is glorious. I am thrilled. That does make you
:17:50. > :17:55.feel better about life. The Sunday Telegraph, Labour gave cash to
:17:55. > :17:59.Peking government. I thought I would mention it because with the
:17:59. > :18:05.coalition getting so much stick about aid to India, it now turns
:18:05. > :18:09.out that Labour handed over 4.5 million to encourage Russian
:18:09. > :18:19.ministries to be more efficient and transparent. It sounds like that
:18:19. > :18:20.
:18:20. > :18:26.money could have been better used for efficiency in our departments.
:18:26. > :18:31.I love the face of Vladimir Putin. If that happened to David Cameron,
:18:31. > :18:39.he would think, I cannot possibly look like I would enjoy this, but
:18:39. > :18:43.Putin looks like, this is marvellous. This looks like another
:18:43. > :18:49.April 1st story. It is about G4S staff, who we remember from the
:18:49. > :18:53.Olympics, because they did not turn up at the last minute, now they are
:18:53. > :18:57.being asked as a private company to help solve murders from the police.
:18:57. > :19:04.Some of them will be given the job of been in charge of murder
:19:04. > :19:08.inquiries. I do not think that Miss Marple would approve! One of the
:19:08. > :19:15.hardest thing about being a policeman is solving crime. We need
:19:15. > :19:25.someone to do that for us. We cannot do it on our own! 80s
:19:25. > :19:30.
:19:30. > :19:36.endless nonsense, implying someone else to do your job. A quick look
:19:36. > :19:40.at the Brighton Marathon today. are runner. I have always felt bad
:19:40. > :19:45.that I did not be a marathon, and I love about this story that you have
:19:45. > :19:51.to have the right genes. I have clearly got the sitting down and
:19:51. > :20:00.having a cup of tea jeans. I wish you would not do it, Sophie, you
:20:00. > :20:08.worry me. Anyone can do a marathon with a bit of training. In the
:20:08. > :20:14.Independent, North Korea may be making missiles, but South Korea
:20:14. > :20:19.are making music. The man who made Gangnam Style, apparently he has
:20:19. > :20:26.come up with a new dance that looks suspiciously like the old dance. I
:20:26. > :20:32.have forgotten what it is called. I think it has already had about 1.5
:20:32. > :20:38.million downloads. John was practising earlier. The Champs will
:20:38. > :20:45.-- the show will be played out to John dancing. Let's not say
:20:45. > :20:48.anything on that subject. John, it is a big week ahead, the funeral of
:20:48. > :20:54.Baroness Thatcher. You were there at the key moment for her in
:20:54. > :20:59.history. I was there from the moment she became Conservative
:20:59. > :21:04.leader in 1975. This will be an extraordinary all my yesterday's
:21:04. > :21:09.for me this week. The problem about politics is to explain some of
:21:09. > :21:15.these things. She explained them so well. Inevitably people disagreed
:21:15. > :21:20.with her. It will not bother me if there is disagreement, I have
:21:20. > :21:25.always like that, and so did she. It is reasonable for her close
:21:25. > :21:31.friends to say, I it think she would have been disappointed if it
:21:31. > :21:34.had been a quiet funeral. It is sad to see it around a funeral, but it
:21:34. > :21:43.is so nice to see political engagement, because it has been a
:21:43. > :21:53.while. Very quickly, you're back on our screens shortly? Yes, 1001
:21:53. > :21:56.
:21:56. > :22:00.things you should know. Thank you -- for joining us. Well, at last it
:22:00. > :22:04.looks as if spring may be on its way. With all the details, over to
:22:04. > :22:09.Matt Taylor in the weather studio. Good morning. Whether you have the
:22:09. > :22:15.hazy sunshine today are the driving rain at the moment, the common
:22:15. > :22:19.theme is a strong wind. But it will be very mild. The driving rain will
:22:19. > :22:27.go with gale force winds in the West. There are breaks in the rain
:22:27. > :22:32.band. It will move east through the day but is allowed. We will stay
:22:32. > :22:37.dry after a few showers in the south-east. The showers could get
:22:37. > :22:43.lively across western Scotland, with some bright missing between.
:22:43. > :22:48.In the Moray Firth, we could get 16 degrees. Much of England and
:22:48. > :22:53.western Wales will see the sunshine developed through the day. The
:22:53. > :22:59.weather front will be over Wales and South Yorkshire. To the east of
:22:59. > :23:07.that, he's the sunshine after the showers. It will be the warmest day
:23:07. > :23:12.since September last year. Driving winds overnight. The south-west of
:23:12. > :23:17.Scotland will see heavy rain, but that relies on Monday. Monday will
:23:17. > :23:26.be a story of sunshine and showers. We will be back to proper April
:23:26. > :23:29.We have seen a great deal of archive footage of Lady Thatcher
:23:29. > :23:31.over the past week, in full flow in the House of Commons, out
:23:31. > :23:40.campaigning and defending her policies in countless television
:23:40. > :23:43.interviews. After she left office, she spoke in much more personal
:23:43. > :23:45.terms to Sir David Frost, who for many years occupied this Sunday
:23:45. > :23:49.breakfast time slot. In an interview to mark the publication
:23:49. > :23:52.in 1995 of her memoir, the Path To Power, she talked to Sir David
:23:52. > :23:54.about marriage and family, about being a woman in a male dominated
:23:54. > :23:59.world, and about the upbringing in Grantham which shaped her character
:23:59. > :24:06.and her approach to life. Never do something just because
:24:06. > :24:12.other people do it, my father said. Never just follow the crowd, never.
:24:12. > :24:17.Make-up your own mind what you want to do, and then do it. My goodness,
:24:17. > :24:25.that was tough, but it stayed with me for the rest of my life. Make-up
:24:25. > :24:30.your own mind. You say that when Denis asked me to be his wife, I
:24:30. > :24:35.thought long and hard about it. Was the poor as well you thought about
:24:36. > :24:39.the question of marriage on the question of Denis? You fall in love
:24:39. > :24:46.with something -- you fall in love with someone, but there has got to
:24:46. > :24:51.be something else as well, genuine companionship. You have got to have
:24:51. > :24:56.generosity towards one another. Home is the centre of your life
:24:56. > :25:01.when you have a family. It is not the boundary of your experience.
:25:01. > :25:06.Home is a place where you can always come back and find a welcome.
:25:06. > :25:11.You say in the book that it was one of the best decisions you ever made.
:25:11. > :25:18.Were there any others that were as good? It was the one that enabled
:25:18. > :25:23.all other things to happen. Do not forget, how could I have done
:25:23. > :25:28.anything without Denis in politics? I could not have done anything in
:25:28. > :25:33.politics had there been any friction with him. You cannot
:25:33. > :25:37.choose your parents, but you can choose your children's parents.
:25:37. > :25:41.Enter Gordon Reece at this point in the proceedings, who you praise for
:25:42. > :25:47.his contribution, particularly in terms of image and getting the
:25:47. > :25:53.message across. He had used on hair and the way that you dressed for
:25:53. > :25:58.example? He knew exactly what needed to be done and that it was
:25:58. > :26:08.not enough to have the right policies. He said that my hair hand
:26:08. > :26:10.
:26:10. > :26:13.make-up had to be changed. -- hair and make-up. He then said that you
:26:13. > :26:19.needed to pay attention to the matter of your voice, which needed
:26:19. > :26:24.to be Lord? When you feel strongly about something, sometimes a
:26:24. > :26:29.woman's voice tends to rise. I had been very conscious of this and
:26:29. > :26:34.tried to deal with it by speaking at the back of my throat. You can
:26:34. > :26:39.lower your voice by speaking at the back of your throat. This
:26:39. > :26:44.remarkable lady came along and told me to breathe properly. She told me
:26:44. > :26:50.to push the voice forward, speak from the forefront of your mouth,
:26:50. > :26:58.like I am doing now. If you bring the breeding up right, your voice
:26:58. > :27:02.will lower. I am speaking from the front of my mouth right now. Did he
:27:02. > :27:07.speaks like a more slowly than you did before? I tend to speak more
:27:07. > :27:11.slowly because I want to get the point across. You tend to know that
:27:11. > :27:21.if you're teaching something you have to go more slowly for it to
:27:21. > :27:22.
:27:22. > :27:26.sink in. I was turned out because I said to Europe, no, no, no. I think
:27:26. > :27:32.you know, women are better at saying no to some of these things
:27:32. > :27:38.than men. Why is that? We can keep it tight hand on the purse-strings.
:27:38. > :27:44.We have to, sometimes. mentioned the nicknames in the book
:27:44. > :27:51.that you were giving? Which were the memorable ones? The Iron Lady a
:27:51. > :27:57.lasted. The Russians nicknamed me the Iron Lady. They were quite
:27:57. > :28:07.right, it is a very good assessment. Does anyone, you Maggie? Yes, quite
:28:07. > :28:17.a lot of people. I like it. It is a term of infection. -- it is a term
:28:17. > :28:17.
:28:17. > :28:22.of affection. It is softer than Margaret. Margaret means a pearl.
:28:22. > :28:27.Would you say that the Conservative Party made a mistake when they got
:28:27. > :28:32.rid of you? The old girl had her chance and they were going to have
:28:32. > :28:39.someone else. Who am I to complain? Would things be different if he
:28:39. > :28:44.were still there? Yes, as different as my personality and the leaves
:28:44. > :28:49.are from what is going on at present. I had a big majority. I
:28:49. > :28:53.had been there a living and a half years. Someone said, the old girl
:28:53. > :28:56.is over the hill, we will get someone else. I was not over the
:28:56. > :29:00.hill yet. Lady Thatcher speaking to Sir David
:29:00. > :29:06.Frost back in 1995. Whether it was in the House of Commons, in a tank
:29:06. > :29:08.or on the world stage, Margaret Thatcher was a supreme performer.
:29:08. > :29:11.Her character and persona have given several actresses great
:29:11. > :29:14.opportunities to portray the woman and the leader. Meryl Streep won an
:29:14. > :29:18.Oscar for The Iron Lady while Lindsay Duncan was praised for her
:29:18. > :29:21.take on Mrs T as she neared the end of her premiership. Andrea
:29:21. > :29:28.Riseborough was a memorable young Margaret in The Long Walk To
:29:29. > :29:31.Finchley. But the first actress to portray Britain's only female Prime
:29:32. > :29:34.Minister in a leading role was Patricia Hodge who, 11 years ago,
:29:35. > :29:38.starred in The Falklands Play. It was a controversial account of one
:29:38. > :29:41.of the pivotal moments in Mrs Thatcher's time at Number 10. I am
:29:41. > :29:51.going to be talking to Patricia in a moment, but first here is a
:29:51. > :30:00.
:30:00. > :30:07.He would not enjoy the freedom of speech that he puts to such good
:30:07. > :30:12.use unless people were prepared to fight for it.
:30:12. > :30:16.Patricia, well done! What was it like to play Margaret Thatcher?
:30:16. > :30:20.is a great role, which is why so many of us have done it. It is as
:30:20. > :30:25.simple as that. You always have to examine the context in which you
:30:25. > :30:31.are playing the role. The difficulty was that until I played
:30:31. > :30:37.it matt really, she had been caricatured a lot. Spitting image?
:30:37. > :30:42.Exactly. There was a lot of reflection before I did it. I spoke
:30:42. > :30:50.to the producers. I said, Look, if you are looking for an
:30:50. > :30:55.impersonation, and the wrong person to do this. It was further unlocked
:30:55. > :30:59.by the fact she was only called Prime Minister in this story. It
:30:59. > :31:05.was a woman Prime Minister in a difficult situation. That helped me.
:31:05. > :31:12.But then a strange thing happened. When you get the big hair done and
:31:12. > :31:18.the power dress, actually, she does begin to take over. The anything -
:31:18. > :31:25.I kept it as simple as possible, because I was only interested in
:31:25. > :31:31.how her mind works. How did you go about doing the research, though?
:31:31. > :31:37.It is an awesome responsibility, always. I did two things. I read
:31:38. > :31:42.the relevant chapters of her thoughts, and it was her voice that
:31:42. > :31:49.road that. That was all I had to concern myself with. You can't look
:31:49. > :31:54.objectively. It is very subjective. I talked to Deniz Blakelock, who
:31:54. > :32:00.had made a film about her. I got an idea of what she was like away from
:32:00. > :32:04.the public face. Those were the only two things I carried with me.
:32:04. > :32:11.It was a controversial play, but it is said that your portrayal showed
:32:11. > :32:15.a more vulnerable side to her. was a version. There have been many
:32:15. > :32:25.versions of the Falklands story. In this one, it was from the corridors
:32:25. > :32:25.
:32:25. > :32:29.of power and how decisions were arrived at. You represent the way
:32:29. > :32:33.that somebody acts in those situations. There have been plenty
:32:33. > :32:41.of actresses who have played her. Meryl Streep won an Oscar. Let's
:32:41. > :32:46.have a look. If the Right Honourable Gentleman
:32:46. > :32:50.could attend more closely to what I am saying rather than how I am
:32:50. > :32:57.saying it, he may receive a valuable education in spite of
:32:57. > :33:02.himself. Fantastic performance. You actually met Margaret Thatcher
:33:02. > :33:08.after you played her. I'm glad I didn't need her before because I
:33:08. > :33:13.think that confuses issues. What did she say to you? It was about 18
:33:13. > :33:20.months later, the person said, Patricia play due in The Falklands
:33:20. > :33:24.Play. In those moments, you have to find something to say. I said, do
:33:24. > :33:30.you for give me? She said, I never watch anything that has got me in
:33:30. > :33:39.it, so there's nothing to forgive you for! So there was no
:33:39. > :33:43.prickliness? Not at all. She was incredibly pragmatic, in that sense.
:33:43. > :33:51.Millions of people nowadays know you as Miranda's mother, which is
:33:51. > :34:01.fantastic. You are also about to go back on stage. Yes, I'm doing a
:34:01. > :34:04.
:34:04. > :34:11.play called A relative Values. It will be interesting. We are doing
:34:11. > :34:21.the opening of the summer festival in Bath. What is it like for you,
:34:21. > :34:22.
:34:22. > :34:30.being back on stage? Is it something that you relish? Theatre
:34:30. > :34:37.is the centre of us. You learn more three theatre than anything. --
:34:37. > :34:41.through theatre. You bring it to the screen. President Obama has
:34:41. > :34:45.made it clear that America will not tolerate any nuclear element to the
:34:45. > :34:48.threat from North Korea. His Secretary of State, John Kerry, has
:34:48. > :34:55.been touring Asia this weekend, strengthening alliances and gauging
:34:55. > :35:00.the mood among Japanese and Chinese leaders. Before he travelled, John
:35:00. > :35:04.Kerry was in London and held talks with America's acting ambassador to
:35:04. > :35:10.the UK, Barbara Stephenson. His China the key to defusing the
:35:10. > :35:16.tension, do you think? China is an important part of it. China has an
:35:16. > :35:20.important part to play in terms of North Korea's dependence. It is an
:35:21. > :35:25.important stop that he is making today. It is a very unnerving time,
:35:25. > :35:30.though, isn't it? Nobody knows what is going to happen next. A lot of
:35:30. > :35:36.people are expecting a missile launch. Tomorrow is the birth of
:35:36. > :35:42.North Korea's founder. We are monitoring this close it. I want to
:35:42. > :35:47.be clear that we have made no change at all suit American
:35:47. > :35:52.citizens in the Republic of Korea. We have not discourage Americans
:35:52. > :35:59.from visiting or to take any safety precautions. We are interested in
:35:59. > :36:02.seeing this rhetoric be ratcheted down. We are monitoring it but we
:36:03. > :36:07.are not at -- urging Americans to take any special precautions.
:36:07. > :36:10.it is difficult to know how to handle it, given that the Defence
:36:10. > :36:13.Intelligence Agency has admitted that they, for the first time,
:36:13. > :36:23.think of North Korea does actually have a nuclear weapon small enough
:36:23. > :36:26.to be attached to a missile. I did see the reports. It is not a
:36:26. > :36:33.consensus view among the American intelligence community. It is just
:36:33. > :36:39.one of you. We don't have specific indications that there should be
:36:39. > :36:45.real alarm. The problem is that nobody knows what is going on
:36:45. > :36:53.inside North Korea. Is this fake belligerence? Is it some kind of
:36:53. > :37:01.diplomatic blackmail? Or is this real? Again, there's and internal
:37:01. > :37:08.audience and an external audience. The rhetoric is alarming. But we
:37:08. > :37:13.are interested in having it ratchet down. John Kerry is saying dialogue
:37:13. > :37:17.is the way forward. Is that the way to defuse this? We are prepared to
:37:17. > :37:21.have dialogue if it leads to an eventual agreement on the part of
:37:21. > :37:26.North Koreans to give up nuclear ambitions. We remain open to
:37:26. > :37:31.dialogue. But there are conditions for it. The let's talk about gun
:37:31. > :37:34.control. It has been a big issue in America, particularly since the
:37:34. > :37:39.shootings in December. Just yesterday, President Obama took an
:37:39. > :37:43.unusual step and allowed the mother of a very young child who died in
:37:43. > :37:48.those shootings to take over his weekly radio address. It was an
:37:48. > :37:52.incredibly moving moment. massacre affected Americans in such
:37:52. > :37:57.a profound way. I happened to be home right after the massacre
:37:57. > :38:03.happened. I was moved to tears repeatedly by seeing the signs of
:38:03. > :38:08.how much this affected people. The President has captured that really
:38:08. > :38:11.well, to say this is our moment to stop it happening again. Next week
:38:11. > :38:16.will be a big week on this front. The Senate has agreed to go ahead
:38:16. > :38:20.with debate. There will be discussion of limiting a sold
:38:20. > :38:28.weapons, limiting the number of grounds that can go into a magazine.
:38:28. > :38:33.-- assault weapons. We are looking to get cross partisan support for
:38:33. > :38:39.early mental-health intervention. It is a big issue that divides
:38:39. > :38:43.Americans. Debate is one thing. New laws, which is what the mother of
:38:43. > :38:49.this young child is calling for, is a different thing. There's an
:38:49. > :38:53.enormous amount of resistance, isn't there, in America. The Second
:38:53. > :39:01.Amendment guarantees the right to bear arms. It is deeply felt. It is
:39:01. > :39:06.one of those red-blue issues that defies it -- divides the country.
:39:06. > :39:11.The President has tried to capture this sense of grief, to say, surely
:39:11. > :39:18.cull we can do better. It is not just the President. His wife was
:39:18. > :39:23.trying to do the same. And Harry Reid in the Senate said, let's see
:39:23. > :39:29.the debate go forward. You can see that it has touched people's lives.
:39:29. > :39:35.It is the moment to take this issue forward. Here, in Britain, a big
:39:35. > :39:39.event on Wednesday, Lady Thatcher's funeral. Past presidents have all
:39:39. > :39:42.been invited. Who is going to be coming? We are still waiting for
:39:42. > :39:46.the White House to put the finishing touches on the guest list.
:39:46. > :39:50.We have got a big week in Washington, so we are waiting for
:39:50. > :39:54.that to come out, and it should be coming any minute. One of the
:39:54. > :39:57.things that struck me after hearing the news that we had lost Lady
:39:57. > :40:01.Thatcher was the tributes that poured in from America, from the
:40:01. > :40:06.White House, from the State Department. A unanimous resolution
:40:06. > :40:12.was passed by the House of Representatives. It was a reminder
:40:12. > :40:17.to me again. I had one of those conversations with a senior British
:40:17. > :40:22.official about whether it was a really special relationship, and as
:40:22. > :40:25.I watched the response in America to losing her, I realised she is
:40:25. > :40:32.not as a towering figure in British history, she is part of our history,
:40:32. > :40:36.too. The idea of, don't go wobbly on me, now, and the lady is not for
:40:36. > :40:39.turning - they are part of our lexical, too. Given how big a
:40:39. > :40:44.figure you say she is in America, can we expect big names to come
:40:44. > :40:50.here? We can expect a lot of interest in the funeral, I can tell
:40:50. > :40:55.you that. We have been trying to manage the guest list. There's a
:40:55. > :41:00.lot of talk about Margaret Thatcher's relationship with Ronald
:41:00. > :41:06.Reagan. Do you think that was it, the high-water? Will we ever see a
:41:06. > :41:10.relationship like that in the future? I just don't buy it that
:41:10. > :41:14.the best days of the special relationship are behind us. I have
:41:14. > :41:24.worked the relationship for 20 years, sometimes very intensely. I
:41:24. > :41:26.just then last week with secretary Kerry, and we were in intense
:41:26. > :41:33.conversations with William Hague and the officials. We never stop
:41:33. > :41:39.the conversation on Syria, Middle East piece, North Korea. ICI two
:41:39. > :41:43.presidents of the same generation who get along well. -- I see.
:41:43. > :41:47.you for joining us. In his tribute to Lady Thatcher,
:41:47. > :41:51.David Cameron says she made Britain great again. Among her achievements,
:41:51. > :41:55.he cited bringing down inflation, reforming the trade unions and her
:41:55. > :41:58.leadership during the Falklands war. From all sides in the House of
:41:58. > :42:03.Commons and the Lords, her courage and conviction and patriot is and
:42:03. > :42:07.were praised. But for many, there's another side to her legacy as well,
:42:07. > :42:12.the end of traditional industries, the rift with Europe, resentment in
:42:12. > :42:16.Scotland. To discuss Lady Thatcher and a pat on the Conservative Party,
:42:16. > :42:20.the country and the Left in Britain, we have brought together on offer
:42:20. > :42:24.closes cabinet colleagues, Lord Parkinson, the Labour peer and
:42:24. > :42:29.human rights like, Baroness Helena Kennedy, and our very own Andrew
:42:29. > :42:34.Marr, who has described her as the most important, bravest and
:42:34. > :42:38.latticed Prime Minister in the whole post-war period. -- luckiest.
:42:38. > :42:45.The welcome to you all, but particularly to you, Andrew.
:42:45. > :42:50.Thank you for having me, Sophie! Lord Parkinson, David Cameron said
:42:50. > :42:57.that she did not just lead the country, she saved the country. She
:42:57. > :43:04.certainly changed it. But saved it? It is not much of an overstatement.
:43:04. > :43:08.If you look back to the Great Britain we took over in 1979, we
:43:08. > :43:15.were universally regarded as a basket case. My first job was to go
:43:15. > :43:20.to Russia to lead the joint Anglo- Soviet Commission. None of the
:43:20. > :43:24.Russian ministers wanted to meet me. In the end, the trade minister told
:43:24. > :43:31.me, look, we are not going to buy any more from you. We regard you as
:43:31. > :43:37.the sick man of Europe. Your goods are shoddy. You are unreliable. We
:43:38. > :43:41.are planning to do less trade. At the same time, an American fan of
:43:41. > :43:48.Britain after the devastating phrase, Britain offers a first-
:43:48. > :43:53.class example of how to run in a fine country. Andrew? Words like
:43:53. > :43:58.Save and Saviour are odd. They are sort of religious words. There's no
:43:58. > :44:02.doubt that when she canter of this, things were terrible. I went to
:44:03. > :44:07.Liverpool, where, famously, the dead were not being buried. The
:44:07. > :44:11.council had planned to take the corpses to seek and bury them there
:44:11. > :44:15.because there was nowhere else. It was a desolate time. She changed
:44:15. > :44:19.the direction of the country. It was not always in ways that she
:44:19. > :44:24.would look back and approve of. If you said the people free, they are
:44:24. > :44:29.free to do things you don't want him to do. I think she thought they
:44:29. > :44:33.would be free to be hard-working and virtuous. In fact, with all of
:44:33. > :44:36.the restraints removed, we became a country who went shopping for 10
:44:36. > :44:40.years, stop working so hard and behave in ways that I think she
:44:40. > :44:47.would personally have disliked. she changed politics enormously,
:44:47. > :44:52.did she? I think there are a number of myths created. I think one is
:44:52. > :44:57.about saving the country. I don't believe she did. There's a miss
:44:57. > :45:01.about her being a role model for women. Breaking through and being
:45:01. > :45:10.the first woman had a great meaning for people, but she was no friend
:45:10. > :45:14.to women. I don't understand her saying that. She proved that a
:45:14. > :45:17.grocer's daughter from Grantham could join the Conservative Party,
:45:17. > :45:21.allegedly the most highbrow party in the country, and become its
:45:21. > :45:25.first woman Prime Minister. I remember when she was chosen as
:45:25. > :45:29.minister. Jim Callaghan said, we have just won the next election.
:45:29. > :45:35.They just did not believe she had it in her to win an election, let
:45:35. > :45:45.alone to win three. And that was with, I might say, an increasingly
:45:45. > :45:52.
:45:52. > :45:55.The range of people available was quite small. The air is absolutely
:45:55. > :45:59.no doubt that she won through against the odds, and that was
:45:59. > :46:05.because she was extraordinarily determined and had an incredible
:46:05. > :46:11.personality. She was ambitious and determined and had great courage. I
:46:11. > :46:17.would not take that away from her. She did nothing to advance the
:46:17. > :46:21.condition of ordinary women's lives. She did not like other women. Many
:46:21. > :46:27.of the women who were around her at that time, who could have been
:46:27. > :46:35.promoted, said that she did not speak about women. She preferred to
:46:35. > :46:39.be around men. You were one of his favourites. She was focusing on
:46:39. > :46:44.getting the economy right because until you did, anything else could
:46:44. > :46:52.not be afforded. You had to get the economy right and get inflation
:46:52. > :46:57.under control. Up to 1986, inflation came down from 22 % to
:46:57. > :47:01.3.7. Do you think those first two Geoffrey Howe budgets, if they had
:47:01. > :47:10.not happened, would British Industry be configured more or less
:47:10. > :47:18.as it is now? Yes, I do. One of the industries which is most quoted is
:47:18. > :47:25.the coal industry. But under Harold Wilson 254 coalmines were closed.
:47:25. > :47:28.Under the Conservatives, less than 150. Wedgwood Benn closed more or
:47:28. > :47:36.call minds than I had operating when I went to the Department of
:47:36. > :47:42.Energy. Please! No one would argue that there had to be a modernising
:47:42. > :47:46.of the economy. I think it would have happened in any event. If you
:47:46. > :47:50.had had one of the nicer people in the Conservative Party leading the
:47:50. > :47:56.party you might have seen modernisation, but there would have
:47:56. > :48:00.been a different feel. She had his ruthlessness that devastated parts
:48:00. > :48:06.of the country, particularly the north, because she had no interest
:48:06. > :48:11.in it. She devastated Scotland and what is happening in Scotland now
:48:11. > :48:17.is a consequence of Margaret Thatcher's policies. It was a bare-
:48:17. > :48:26.knuckle fight on both sides. In the 1970s we had price controls, wage
:48:26. > :48:31.controls, dividend can strolls. -- controls. They all went. She was
:48:31. > :48:39.very brave to get rid of them, but has anyone ever suggested they
:48:39. > :48:45.should be reintroduced? No. Here is the woman timid other politicians
:48:45. > :48:50.looks more, but because she took all those powers away from the
:48:50. > :48:54.state, no politician today could ever stand up to her. She thought
:48:54. > :48:59.that big government was a big problem and she set out to reduce
:48:59. > :49:04.the activities to government would be areas where government should
:49:04. > :49:09.properly be concerned. There are a number of things that the
:49:09. > :49:15.Conservative Party today is not acknowledging. One is how divisive
:49:15. > :49:20.she was. Sue left the public services of this country in squalor.
:49:20. > :49:25.Schools and universities were in a terrible state. I want you to
:49:25. > :49:31.answer this question, it was your party who did her reign, you
:49:31. > :49:35.assassinated her? It was people in my party, it certainly was not me.
:49:36. > :49:41.One of the reasons that left was that I disapproved very strongly of
:49:41. > :49:45.the way that cabinet treated her. She once said to me about the
:49:45. > :49:52.European leader, I will not mention his name, he is a very strange
:49:52. > :49:56.fellow. He thinks that you read by following. What did she do it on
:49:56. > :50:00.the night before she resigned? Instead of getting the Cabinet
:50:00. > :50:07.together and saying that Urals year because I appointed due, she said
:50:07. > :50:12.to them, tell me what I ought to do. She actually made the mistake of
:50:12. > :50:18.leading by following. You describe her as someone who is a lucky
:50:19. > :50:25.politician, courageous and lucky. I would agree with that. She
:50:25. > :50:30.described major industries. She make people unemployed in massive
:50:30. > :50:35.numbers and that was paid for by North Sea Isle. When I said lucky,
:50:35. > :50:39.I was thinking of the Falklands war. It seemed like Labour and the SDP
:50:39. > :50:43.were going to win that election and she turned things around in that
:50:43. > :50:50.confrontation. You were going to say that she was very brave to
:50:50. > :50:55.fight the war. Yes, she was. At that moment, she did it very well,
:50:55. > :51:00.she decided that if we were going to go to war, the cabinet must be
:51:01. > :51:04.united. Every single member of the Cabinet was asked, do you support
:51:04. > :51:11.putting the fleet to see at that Friday evening cabinet meeting.
:51:11. > :51:15.That is when she became a national figure. And that the perfect piece
:51:15. > :51:21.of time for -- and perfect timing for the election as well, that was
:51:21. > :51:27.the luck for her. When I heard that the Argentinians had invaded, I
:51:27. > :51:32.thought, that is the end of us, but she turned that around. This week
:51:32. > :51:38.is her funeral on Wednesday. In life she was incredibly devices and
:51:38. > :51:42.in death, she still lives. What would she have made of all the fuss
:51:42. > :51:48.about the song in the charts and the strength of feeling that has
:51:48. > :51:53.been voice and she died? She would not have liked it, I do not think,
:51:53. > :51:57.but I do not think it would have bothered her at all. As far as she
:51:57. > :52:03.was concerned, if she was convinced that what she was doing was the
:52:03. > :52:07.right thing for Britain, she would go ahead and do it. Play the song.
:52:07. > :52:15.I do not think she would. She would have preferred to watch songs of
:52:15. > :52:20.Praise. I do not think it would have upset her. When you are as
:52:20. > :52:24.strong a character as she was, you are going to create divisions. But
:52:24. > :52:28.I do not mind people disapproving of her, but what I do object to is
:52:28. > :52:34.the idea that she personally destroyed industries and this and
:52:34. > :52:39.bad. For David Cameron there is still the problem that he has got
:52:39. > :52:45.to distance himself from the nasty party tag of the 1990s. Those are
:52:45. > :52:49.the words of Theresa May. Yes, it is very difficult if you're trying
:52:49. > :52:56.to believe to the Middle England Liberal vote and that the same time
:52:56. > :53:00.retain support with your Tory heartlands. That is something that
:53:00. > :53:04.every Conservative leader wrestles with. She did not deal with it
:53:04. > :53:10.because she did not try to appeal to the Liberals at all. I do not
:53:10. > :53:14.think it is true that she created the European divide. I think that
:53:14. > :53:19.is a divide between the problems of a national democracy on one hand
:53:19. > :53:23.and being part of a super organisation. Lie at me just ask
:53:23. > :53:30.you, with the funeral on Wednesday, what do you think that they will be
:53:30. > :53:34.light? Do you think there will be a real coming together on that day?
:53:34. > :53:38.am sure there will be. There will be demonstrations and lots of pain
:53:38. > :53:42.in parts of the country that remember too vividly what it felt
:53:42. > :53:47.like when they're people were thrown out of their jobs, when she
:53:47. > :53:51.seemed to relish that. But I think that generally people will still
:53:51. > :53:58.feel respectful of somebody who was a leader and certainly a leader of
:53:58. > :54:02.conviction, and a leader of a different order from others. People
:54:02. > :54:07.will be respect will fat, and I think that is what people feel,
:54:07. > :54:11.respectful of the kind of person she was. She was a powerful
:54:11. > :54:17.personality but she led to great deal of division in our society.
:54:17. > :54:22.Lord Parkinson? One of the joys of being British is that we are free
:54:22. > :54:28.to demonstrate and show how we feel. If people feel hostile and they
:54:28. > :54:35.want to express it, I think it is at 80. I think the dead Darren a
:54:35. > :54:43.special category. The old Latin phrase, de mortuis nil nisi bonum,
:54:43. > :54:47.of the dead, speak nothing but good, it can be over done. Never the last,
:54:47. > :54:53.I would hope that people, if they express their disapproval, that
:54:53. > :54:57.they will do it in an agreeable way. It will not dry line under the
:54:57. > :55:01.controversy about Margaret Thatcher. Whether it is welfare policy are
:55:01. > :55:07.the future of the Union with Scotland, lots of the crucial
:55:07. > :55:11.issues will carry on next year in politics. It will draw a line under
:55:11. > :55:18.the hasty and the shouting of the last week or 10 days. Thank you to
:55:18. > :55:23.all of you. Andrew, I must ask you about you. It is wonderful to see
:55:23. > :55:28.you back here in the studio you should be in. You had his stroke,
:55:28. > :55:34.what happened? Are I had a major stroke and I am lucky to be alive.
:55:34. > :55:39.I had been heavily over working in the year before that, my own fault.
:55:39. > :55:44.I had had two minor strokes that I did not notice, and I did the
:55:44. > :55:48.terrible thing of believing what I read in the newspapers. The
:55:48. > :55:54.newspapers were saying that we must take intensive exercise in short
:55:54. > :56:00.bursts. I gave it everything I had on a rowing machine and afterwards
:56:00. > :56:06.I had a blinding headache. I went to bed and woke up the next morning
:56:06. > :56:11.on the floor or unable to move. I had torn the carotid artery. It
:56:11. > :56:18.wipes out a bit of your brain. In my case, luckily, it was not my
:56:18. > :56:23.voice or anything like that. It was the left hand side of my body so I
:56:23. > :56:30.am still not able to walk fluently. I hobble. I have lots of
:56:30. > :56:33.physiotherapy to do. But you did that on a rowing machine? Beware of
:56:33. > :56:41.being too enthusiastic on rowing machines would be my message to the
:56:41. > :56:45.nation. The only way through his intensive physiotherapy. If I
:56:45. > :56:50.concentrate on the physiotherapy, I will get better, but if I do not, I
:56:50. > :56:54.will not, which is why I am not back trying to do the job full-time
:56:54. > :56:59.but the bottom line is that you will be back? I am certainly coming
:56:59. > :57:03.back when I am ready to do so. I have lots more to say about it all,
:57:03. > :57:06.but I will wait until I have gone through the physiotherapy until I
:57:06. > :57:08.am ready to do so. Now over to Bryony Mackenzie for the news
:57:08. > :57:16.headlines. More details of Baroness Thatcher's
:57:16. > :57:19.funeral have been released. At her request, the service on Wednesday
:57:19. > :57:22.will begin and end with music by British composers, and include a
:57:22. > :57:24.hymn from her Methodist childhood. On this programme, one of her
:57:24. > :57:29.closest Cabinet colleagues, Lord Parkinson, said he hoped there
:57:29. > :57:34.would be no disruption. One of the joys of being British is that we
:57:34. > :57:40.are free to demonstrate and to show how we feel. Never the less, I
:57:40. > :57:44.would hope that people, if they express their disapproval, will do
:57:44. > :57:46.it in an agreeable way. The American Secretary of State has
:57:46. > :57:49.arrived in Tokyo where he will be holding talks with Japanese
:57:49. > :57:57.ministers about the nuclear threat in North Korea. This is John
:57:57. > :57:59.Kerry's third stop on his tour of East Asia. Yesterday the US and
:58:00. > :58:03.China pledged to help resolve the tensions on the Korean peninsula.
:58:04. > :58:07.That is all from me for now. The next news on BBC One is at 12:15pm.
:58:07. > :58:12.Back to Sophie in a moment, but first a look at what is coming up
:58:12. > :58:15.on BBC One at 10:15. We are live from Peterborough where we will be
:58:15. > :58:22.debating the very different reaction to Mrs Thatcher's death
:58:22. > :58:25.and we will be looking at the Airfix between -- the ethics on the
:58:25. > :58:29.increasing use of unmanned reconnaissance aircraft, and lastly,
:58:29. > :58:32.gypsies. I am afraid that is all we have
:58:32. > :58:36.time for this week. Next Sunday it is the London Marathon, which I
:58:36. > :58:39.will be running and which also means there is no show. But I will
:58:39. > :58:42.be back here on BBC One in two weeks' time. My guests will include