:00:36. > :00:40.up with spy stories - the excitement of fictional secret agents and
:00:40. > :00:44.shadowy security services. James Bond battles Spectre, the Man From
:00:44. > :00:47.Uncle had a foe called Thrush. This weekend we learn there really is a
:00:47. > :00:51.shadowy operation called Prism and it knows exactly what we are up
:00:51. > :00:54.to... Allegedly. This morning we might even learn where the fiction
:00:54. > :01:01.ends and the fact begins. That surveillance story features
:01:01. > :01:03.prominently in this morning's papers. Joining me to review them -
:01:03. > :01:10.the actress and writer Sheila Hancock, and Tim Montgomerie of The
:01:10. > :01:13.Times. Labour has called on the Foreign Secretary to come to
:01:13. > :01:15.Parliament tomorrow and make an "urgent" statement on what one
:01:15. > :01:19.senior Conservative MP calls "quite a scandal". William Hague is here.
:01:19. > :01:26.I'll be asking him if it's true that the UK obtained data on the internet
:01:26. > :01:28.activity of British people via the US National Security Agency. We'll
:01:28. > :01:32.also be discussing the latest developments in Syria. Is it now
:01:32. > :01:35.time to arm the rebels and should parliament have a say? After a week
:01:35. > :01:37.in which the Opposition finally seemed to sign up to Coalition
:01:37. > :01:41.spending plans for the foreseeable future, the Shadow Work and Pensions
:01:41. > :01:43.Secretary, Liam Byrne, will be here to give more detail on how a Labour
:01:43. > :01:48.government would manage public spending and reform the welfare
:01:48. > :01:51.system. As an MP and as a Government minister, Ann Widdecombe was never
:01:51. > :01:53.far from the headlines. But of course, her public image really took
:01:53. > :01:56.off outside Parliament. Strictly brought her a whole new
:01:56. > :02:02.constituency. She's written her autobiography and will be here later
:02:02. > :02:06.to talk party politics, passion, and the paso doble!
:02:06. > :02:10.Having died in Downton, he's now living it large in America. The TV
:02:10. > :02:12.star Dan Stevens will be here to talk about his new film, a very
:02:12. > :02:17.personal project. Plus, having conquered Broadway, how Hollywood
:02:17. > :02:24.beckons. All that and more in a short while. First, the news with
:02:24. > :02:27.Sian Lloyd. Good morning. Nelson Mandela has
:02:27. > :02:31.spent a second night in hospital. The former South African President,
:02:31. > :02:34.who is 94 years old, is being treated for the recurrence of a lung
:02:34. > :02:37.infection. A presidential spokesman said Mr Mandela is now able to
:02:37. > :02:43.breathe unaided which is a positive sign. He remains in a serious but
:02:43. > :02:48.stable condition. Frail and rarely seen in public,
:02:48. > :02:52.Nelson Mandela has spent a second night in hospital. The 94-year-old
:02:52. > :02:58.former South African president is suffering from a lung infection once
:02:58. > :03:02.again. It is his third spell in hospital in the past six months. In
:03:02. > :03:08.March he was treated for pneumonia. His condition deteriorated to the
:03:08. > :03:14.point where it was necessary to hospitalise him. His condition is
:03:14. > :03:20.serious, but he is stable. Nelson Mandela continues to be seen as an
:03:20. > :03:25.icon of the past century, the man who led South Africa into a new era
:03:25. > :03:31.after 27 years in jail, emerging to be the first leader after the end of
:03:31. > :03:35.white minority rule. Yet there is an understanding he is now an old man.
:03:35. > :03:40.I think the majority of the South African population have resigned
:03:40. > :03:46.themselves to the fact that he is in his advanced stages and he will pass
:03:46. > :03:52.away eventually. Because he has been in so many times and out so many
:03:52. > :03:57.times, you assume he will be out again this time. As a country I
:03:57. > :04:03.guess we start assuming the worst as well. Nelson Mandela has confounded
:04:03. > :04:13.expectations. We hope that this time he will fight back once again.
:04:13. > :04:16.Nelson Mandela continues to have respect.
:04:16. > :04:18.The chairman of the Commons Energy and Climate Committee, Tim Yeo, is
:04:18. > :04:21.facing allegations that he helped a private company influence
:04:21. > :04:24.parliament. The Sunday Times claims he coached the boss of a firm, owned
:04:24. > :04:27.by a company that was paying him, before the businessman gave evidence
:04:27. > :04:29.to the committee. Mr Yeo was secretly filmed by investigators
:04:29. > :04:39.from the newspaper, posing as representatives of a green energy
:04:39. > :05:11.
:05:11. > :05:14.Mr Yeo denies the allegations and says he will contest them. BBC News
:05:14. > :05:23.understands that he has referred himself to the Parliamentary
:05:23. > :05:26.standards commissioner. The intelligence agency GCHQ will
:05:26. > :05:29.report to the security watchdog within days over claims it spied on
:05:29. > :05:31.people's Internet use. It's accused of accessing data through a US spy
:05:31. > :05:34.programme called Prism. Apple, Facebook, Microsoft and Google have
:05:34. > :05:40.all denied giving Government agents access to their servers. Labour says
:05:41. > :05:45.the public deserves an explanation. Labour said ministers should address
:05:45. > :05:51.what it called the very real public concerns about the claims made in
:05:52. > :05:58.recent days. The Shadow Foreign Secretary called on William Hague to
:05:58. > :06:02.come to the Commons on Monday to make an urgent statement. This has
:06:02. > :06:06.raised very real public concerns so I am calling on William Hague to
:06:06. > :06:16.come to the House of Commons on Monday and set-up the government's
:06:16. > :06:37.
:06:37. > :06:41.response to members of Parliament government said it did not routinely
:06:41. > :06:47.comment on security discussions with other administrations.
:06:47. > :06:49.The Duke of Edinburgh has spent a third night in hospital after
:06:49. > :06:52.exploratory abdominal surgery on Friday. Prince Philip, who will
:06:52. > :06:59.celebrate his 92nd birthday tomorrow, is expected to spend two
:06:59. > :07:02.weeks in hospital. He is said to be progressing satisfactorily. That's
:07:02. > :07:10.all from me, for now. I'll be back with the headlines just before ten
:07:10. > :07:20.o'clock. Back to you, Sophie. In the papers, let's start with the Sunday
:07:20. > :07:25.
:07:25. > :07:35.Times, this row that a Tory MP coached clients before grilling.
:07:35. > :07:42.Scotland on Sunday this morning, teachers' fear of touching hands
:07:42. > :07:46.pupils, it is said the pendulum of safety has swung too far. A lot of
:07:46. > :07:55.pictures of Nelson Mandela on the papers today and inside. The Sunday
:07:55. > :08:01.Telegraph, Minister attacks EU jobs madness, a minister accused of not
:08:01. > :08:06.living in the real world over the row of data laws. The Observer this
:08:06. > :08:10.morning, talking of data, ministers forced to reveal the British link to
:08:10. > :08:17.the US data spying scandal and we will be talking to William Hague
:08:17. > :08:27.about that later in the programme. A great picture of Serena Williams
:08:27. > :08:28.
:08:28. > :08:33.there. This is about the G8 food summit in London yesterday,
:08:33. > :08:36.thousands of people turning up for that. A story in the mail about a
:08:36. > :08:43.gay soldier has told how Prince Harry bravely rescued him from a
:08:43. > :08:53.terrifying homophobic attacks by squaddies from arrival regiment. The
:08:53. > :08:54.
:08:54. > :09:04.Sunday express, Cancer risk of two pints of beer a year. The Sun going
:09:04. > :09:09.
:09:09. > :09:15.on what they call the eggs factor. And with me to review the papers are
:09:15. > :09:22.Sheila Hancock and Tim Montgomerie. Sheila, what would you like to talk
:09:22. > :09:30.about? I am fascinated by this new Sunday Sun, which seems to be an
:09:30. > :09:36.advert for underwear, and there seemed to be a lot of ladies wearing
:09:36. > :09:43.underwear. The main story I am grateful for business story of
:09:43. > :09:49.Silicon Valley getting data. There is a very good article in the
:09:49. > :09:56.Independent looking at this whole thing of privacy. The whole attitude
:09:56. > :10:02.to privacy seems to have changed. Does anybody care any more? Children
:10:02. > :10:06.are tweeting and putting themselves on Facebook. Nobody seems to mind
:10:06. > :10:11.people knowing about their lives. There is a bit at the end saying
:10:11. > :10:18.once upon a time, people read books and wrote letters and spies talked
:10:18. > :10:27.to each other on park benches. Maybe ancient habits were not so bad after
:10:27. > :10:31.all. But it has also happened so quickly, hasn't it? Before we get
:10:32. > :10:36.our knickers in a twist about privacy, I think we should examine
:10:36. > :10:40.what the younger generation think about privacy. I suspect when I am
:10:40. > :10:47.dead and gone, people won't give a dam about whether they are looking
:10:47. > :10:52.at their e-mails any more. There is a good cartoon in the Sunday
:10:52. > :10:57.Telegraph, pairing spying and what it was to what it now is. There is a
:10:57. > :11:05.man on the park bench looking through his nukes paper, and today
:11:05. > :11:12.it is the desktop, the computer in our own homes. It has happened so
:11:12. > :11:17.quickly. You have extreme pornography available, and privacy,
:11:17. > :11:24.these sort of things depend on our morality and attitude, and there
:11:24. > :11:28.will always be people that abuse it. That is the worrying thing. There is
:11:28. > :11:33.privacy about your private e-mails, and the other argument that it is a
:11:33. > :11:36.fight against terror and where you draw the line. I think a lot of
:11:36. > :11:40.people watching this programme now would probably like the government
:11:40. > :11:44.to be on top of these security threats and I think the key thing is
:11:44. > :11:48.not whether the government is inspecting these communications, it
:11:48. > :11:53.is whether it is approved and monitored. I think what frightens
:11:53. > :12:00.people is the idea that the security services are somehow acting beyond
:12:00. > :12:08.the law. They don't mind of their private e-mails are being looked at?
:12:08. > :12:15.I think some clearly do, but the bulk of people want our security
:12:15. > :12:22.services to be looking at people who are threat on our security. But do
:12:22. > :12:27.we trust the oversight people? people would be more worried if our
:12:27. > :12:33.government and authorities were not examining the threats on us. Let's
:12:33. > :12:37.move on to the story we were talking about earlier, David Cameron saying
:12:37. > :12:42.he wants more action on online pornography, something that is
:12:42. > :12:47.incredibly accessible now. This is a subject I know you have covered
:12:47. > :12:54.before for the BBC, Sophie, but in terms of worrying the parents and
:12:54. > :12:59.the public, the access that children now have two extraordinary, crude,
:12:59. > :13:04.ugly images on their mobile phones, on the computers they have in their
:13:04. > :13:09.bedrooms, this is what worries parents. Parents are often less able
:13:09. > :13:16.to understand how to filter this information than their children.
:13:16. > :13:21.don't want parents seeing it either, I don't want anybody to be
:13:21. > :13:26.given a platform. I agree with you and some of the worst forms of this
:13:26. > :13:31.pornography, especially images of children, should absolutely be
:13:31. > :13:35.outlawed. I think the challenge that David Cameron and Claire Perry are
:13:36. > :13:40.making is that these Internet firms like Google are incredibly
:13:40. > :13:44.libertarian in their attitudes to these things, not willing to control
:13:44. > :13:52.any of these images that people can access and we need to force them to
:13:52. > :13:59.be more responsible. And a lot of parents want to know why you cannot
:13:59. > :14:05.opt in. When I was young we had heavy censorship and it was awful,
:14:05. > :14:12.but we never imagined that when it was abolished it would lead to this
:14:13. > :14:18.extremity. Let's look at this story you have picked up here. A woman
:14:18. > :14:22.writing about her mother who has dementia and she is terribly ill.
:14:23. > :14:26.She tried to commit suicide and she was resuscitated at the hospital. It
:14:26. > :14:31.is opening up again this question about whether you have the right to
:14:31. > :14:39.die, and also saying that you should talk about your death. I'm getting
:14:39. > :14:45.to the age now where I am preparing the death. Not in a morbid way!
:14:45. > :14:49.have never been more alive! I want to tidy things up so my kids don't
:14:49. > :14:55.have a mess when I leave, and I want them to know that if I go dotty,
:14:55. > :14:58.which I am on the verge of doing, I want them to know how I want to be
:14:58. > :15:04.cared for. There are things we should discuss and as a society we
:15:04. > :15:07.should discuss this. I think a lot of that abuse on the idea of
:15:07. > :15:12.assisted dying have gone. People are not as deeply religious as they used
:15:12. > :15:20.to be, their attitudes towards deaths have changed and society has
:15:20. > :15:27.not moved with it. You say I am preparing the death and people are
:15:27. > :15:33.surprised. We are all going to die. We have two old guys looking face in
:15:33. > :15:43.the death this week, Nelson Mandela and Prince Philip. The more we talk
:15:43. > :15:43.
:15:43. > :15:47.about it so that people die well, the better. The reason why I am
:15:47. > :15:53.slightly worried about the right to die is that for some people it
:15:53. > :15:58.becomes a duty to die. Some people do not have good children who think
:15:58. > :16:02.about inheriting the home. Keeping the law more or less as it is gives
:16:02. > :16:09.them an absolute detection that society will always look after them.
:16:09. > :16:14.We will get you back for that one. Let's move on. Your story is about
:16:14. > :16:18.Nelson Mandela, who is in a serious situation but stable this morning.
:16:18. > :16:24.Yesterday we all woke up to the fear that Mandela was at death store.
:16:24. > :16:28.Perhaps he might be. But this story in the Sunday Telegraph today really
:16:28. > :16:33.does remind us how frail he is. At Christmas he spent three weeks in
:16:33. > :16:39.hospital before -- because of the lung infection. A couple of months
:16:39. > :16:44.ago, he was in hospital for ten days. The story talks about how he
:16:44. > :16:47.is with his friends and family and he does not even want to conversion.
:16:47. > :16:54.The president said yesterday that we should all be praying for his health
:16:54. > :16:58.and his family. I think his health is probably a lost cause. He is
:16:58. > :17:02.dying, there is nothing wrong with that. When you listen to the
:17:02. > :17:08.response from South Africa, it seems that people are more prepared than
:17:08. > :17:12.they were. Previously people have not use the word serious, but now
:17:12. > :17:20.the South African authorities seem to be preparing us that it may not
:17:20. > :17:25.be long before he slips away. story is Prince Philip. I thought it
:17:25. > :17:29.was lovely when the Queen came yesterday and said, he is not ill. I
:17:29. > :17:35.do not know the Queen. None of us do. We only know the press version
:17:35. > :17:41.of her. But one cannot help thinking that he has been the most enormous
:17:41. > :17:51.support to her, if only for a good laugh. This is a really good profile
:17:51. > :17:53.
:17:53. > :17:59.of him. It is a lovely picture. He's always putting his foot in it. He
:17:59. > :18:05.asked the blind army is how much site he had. Not a lot, he said,
:18:05. > :18:09.judging by the ties he is winning. The pure Queen, she has to do
:18:09. > :18:12.ceremonies and be nice and shake hands. To go home to a Gary Hooper
:18:13. > :18:18.routes is fitting that the whole time must use such a relief to her.
:18:18. > :18:24.I hope he is going to be all right for her sake. The next story is
:18:24. > :18:29.about the events yesterday in height Park. Yes 45,000 people came
:18:29. > :18:32.together for a rally against world hunger. We knock ourselves as a
:18:32. > :18:38.nation, we are self-deprecating, but we have here Bill Gates, an
:18:38. > :18:43.American. He is saying that written should be incredibly proud in the
:18:43. > :18:48.role that we play in fighting world hunger. Not everyone agrees with
:18:48. > :18:52.every aspect of the aid budget, but most people think that tackling
:18:52. > :18:57.hunger, providing vaccinations for children in the previous parts of
:18:57. > :19:00.the world for diseases like malaria, Britain is a world leader in this,
:19:00. > :19:07.even at the time of a steady two point budgets are tight. We have
:19:07. > :19:11.found the money to meet the .7% target. And there was a big rally
:19:11. > :19:17.that has hardly been covered by most of the newspapers. Interestingly, I
:19:17. > :19:23.think that the aid budget and gay marriage are probably two of the
:19:23. > :19:26.issues that cause David Cameron some of the biggest problems he has with
:19:26. > :19:31.his backbenchers. A lot of the things that this government does
:19:31. > :19:35.will be forgotten, but when David Cameron retires from politics, what
:19:35. > :19:41.he has done for the world's purist and in introducing gay marriage, he
:19:41. > :19:47.will be very proud of it. Another Tory MP has gone on the record to
:19:47. > :19:50.say that it is time for David Cameron to go. The problem for David
:19:50. > :19:57.Cameron is that some of these issues that may be historically significant
:19:57. > :20:02.are some of the reasons why he is unpopular. He is the second MP to go
:20:02. > :20:07.on the record. Do you think it is serious? I think he is safe. There
:20:07. > :20:12.is no one in Parliament just now who could lead the Conservative Party
:20:12. > :20:17.more successfully at the next election. His point of vulnerability
:20:17. > :20:23.will, after the European elections. If the Tories are not doing well in
:20:23. > :20:27.the opinion polls then, there could be a push against his leadership.
:20:27. > :20:32.But Labour's opinion polls that this middle stage of Parliament are
:20:32. > :20:37.actually quite modest. I think you're right that he should be
:20:37. > :20:44.commended to have the courage to stand up to the right wing of his
:20:44. > :20:50.party. Your final story.This is about the fact that they are going
:20:50. > :20:57.to stop people going in the slow lane of the time. It was either that
:20:57. > :21:02.or this. Vladimir Putin, he's ditching his wife. He is and not
:21:02. > :21:08.man. Here we have this world leader who goes around having photos of him
:21:08. > :21:12.wrestling with bears. I am really worried about it. There is an
:21:12. > :21:18.appetite for it in Russia. I am worried that he is in his edition of
:21:18. > :21:21.power and he is totally mad. If you look at so many of the problems in
:21:21. > :21:26.the world, whether it is silly or the oppression of human rights in
:21:26. > :21:31.his own country, Russia is becoming a real problem again. We are not
:21:31. > :21:36.worried enough. I shall have to leave it there. Thank you for coming
:21:36. > :21:46.in. After the coldest May for decades, Jean started rather well
:21:46. > :21:54.
:21:54. > :21:58.with the hottest day of the year so similar to what had yesterday. There
:21:58. > :22:03.will be more sunshine developing of the day goes on. The best of the
:22:03. > :22:08.warmth and the sunshine will be in the West again. There is a lot more
:22:08. > :22:13.cloud around this morning, coming from the North Sea. Sunshine will
:22:13. > :22:18.develop widely through the day. It will always be on the cloudy side
:22:18. > :22:22.across the eastern coastal counties where it will stay cool. In the
:22:22. > :22:27.sunshine, around 20 degrees, and as high as 24 degrees in Northern
:22:27. > :22:32.Ireland. That is the last time we will get that for quite some time,
:22:32. > :22:36.because this is waiting in the wings, low pressure in the Atlantic.
:22:36. > :22:42.Monday will be another dry day everywhere. It will be a great
:22:42. > :22:48.start, but the cloud will thin and break. Even across eastern areas it
:22:48. > :22:52.will be better. Temperature is not quite as high as today. Around 18
:22:52. > :23:01.degrees. Tomorrow sees the start of the grasscourt tennis season at
:23:01. > :23:06.Queens club. By Tuesday, there will be a change of fortunes. The eastern
:23:06. > :23:16.side of the UK will enjoy the best of the weather. In the West, we will
:23:16. > :23:18.
:23:18. > :23:24.Widdecombe developed a fearsome reputation. As a minister, she
:23:24. > :23:27.grappled with some of the toughest issues, including pensions,
:23:27. > :23:33.immigration and presence. She was known for the strength of her
:23:33. > :23:37.Christian faith, and for her other convictions, against foxhunting, in
:23:37. > :23:41.favour of the death penalty and advocating zero tolerance of drugs.
:23:41. > :23:45.No one could have predicted that when she retired she would become
:23:45. > :23:49.the darling of prime-time television, with her celebrated run
:23:49. > :23:53.on Strictly Come Dancing. Now she has written about all these
:23:53. > :23:58.experiences in her the biography, Strictly Ann, which covers her
:23:58. > :24:03.childhood in Singapore and her heady days as a student. You see in your
:24:03. > :24:09.book that it was always a dream to become a politician and a writer,
:24:09. > :24:12.but you would never have imagined the rest? No. If anyone had said to
:24:12. > :24:16.me that you're going to be dancing for three months on prime-time
:24:16. > :24:21.television and then you're going to be touring the country in a live
:24:21. > :24:24.band show and you're going to be going into pantomime, and you will
:24:24. > :24:29.also be in Covent Garden in the Royal Opera house, I would have
:24:29. > :24:34.said, lie down and have an aspirin. You were driven from an early age
:24:34. > :24:39.where you knew exact and where you wanted to go. Yes, I formed
:24:39. > :24:45.political ambitions quite early. In those days there was a massive
:24:45. > :24:50.division between the parties, there was socialism and not new Labour. I
:24:50. > :24:55.felt driven to fight socialism. moved around a lot as a child, you
:24:55. > :25:00.were in Singapore for the time with your family. You grew up as an only
:25:00. > :25:05.child, virtually, because your brother was so much older. Where did
:25:05. > :25:10.you get your politics from? I am not sure. Politics were discussed at
:25:10. > :25:16.home, but my father was a civil servant, so he could never take a
:25:16. > :25:20.public position on the matter. At that time, it is easy to forget 20
:25:20. > :25:25.years after the fall of the Berlin Wall, but when I was coming to
:25:25. > :25:31.political maturity, the world was sharply divided into two conflicting
:25:31. > :25:36.political ideologies. There was a real battle for the future of the
:25:36. > :25:41.globe based on capitalism versus communism. It was a long slog freely
:25:41. > :25:46.to get to Westminster, to get to Parliament. You set yourself a
:25:46. > :25:54.deadline, you had to be there by the age of 40. I got there by 39 and a
:25:54. > :26:01.half. You had a lot of knock backs? You say that, but in those days,
:26:01. > :26:09.there was now a list. You could not get a seat because you were women.
:26:09. > :26:16.-- because you were a woman. You had to earn your spurs. I won in
:26:16. > :26:20.Maidstone. You call yourself a nod ball in the book. The Westminster
:26:20. > :26:25.oddball who was so unaccountably popular in the country. You mention
:26:25. > :26:33.that work quite a lot. Is that how people perceive you? I know that is
:26:33. > :26:40.how people perceive me, so I add knowledge it. -- so I acknowledge
:26:40. > :26:44.it. Does that annoy you? It does not annoy me, it is a fact of life. You
:26:44. > :26:49.are how you are perceived in politics. There was always a
:26:49. > :26:53.caricature in the public domain. I have never had the slightest doubt
:26:53. > :27:03.about my image, I am extremely hard and all the rest of it. Those things
:27:03. > :27:06.
:27:06. > :27:10.are not true, but at Westminster I was seen as being a little strange.
:27:10. > :27:16.You're pretty rude about David Cameron in your book. It headed and
:27:16. > :27:20.dismissive of everything that has gone before. I am not quite as rude
:27:20. > :27:30.as the selected quotes suggest. I say he is talented and able, and I
:27:30. > :27:31.
:27:31. > :27:34.found him big headed. I am worried that he is now pigheaded. Suppose I
:27:34. > :27:40.decided I was going to introduce a foxhunting ban while leading the
:27:40. > :27:45.Conservative Party. It would be a recipe for disaster. I do not
:27:45. > :27:49.understand why David Cameron decided to adopt a lying on gay manager that
:27:49. > :27:53.was completely at odds with the party, the country and the majority
:27:53. > :27:58.of his MPs, at a time when he is in coalition and not in the strongest
:27:58. > :28:06.position to do what he wants. think the Conservatives can win the
:28:06. > :28:12.next election? Yes, I do, if nothing else... With David Cameron at the
:28:12. > :28:17.helm? Yes, because when people put crosses and papers, they will
:28:17. > :28:22.remember the outgoing note of the Treasury Minister, for Labour, Liam
:28:22. > :28:28.Byrne, he said, there is nothing left. We are going through a
:28:28. > :28:33.terrible time trying to put it right. We are trying to put it
:28:33. > :28:39.right. Does it annoy you that you did not get European age? You think
:28:39. > :28:43.that David Cameron blocked that? is his decision whether I get one or
:28:43. > :28:53.not. I covered it in the book, because if I did not, people would
:28:53. > :28:55.
:28:55. > :29:00.say I was an happy about it. Does that annoy you? Know it does not.
:29:00. > :29:06.When I stopped being an MP, I knew that I could do things like Strictly
:29:06. > :29:11.because I was no longer obliged to behave like an MP. When you got into
:29:11. > :29:15.Strictly, you were really embraced by the British public. All those
:29:15. > :29:19.years, you were referred to as a nod ball, was that the moment when you
:29:19. > :29:24.were accepted? It was certainly the moment when a lot of people who
:29:24. > :29:29.would not previously have done so warm to me. One of the greatest
:29:29. > :29:33.things was the impact it had on children. It is small people who, to
:29:33. > :29:39.me and recognise me, not the people who watch the new success of flu. It
:29:39. > :29:43.was just wonderful. And what next for Ann Widdecombe? You say that
:29:43. > :29:49.you're going back to Latin, you're going to learn how to become more
:29:49. > :29:54.fluent in Latin? I would like to revive the Latin skills which I have
:29:54. > :30:04.let lapse completely. But there are lots of things I would like to do. I
:30:04. > :30:04.
:30:05. > :30:09.am retired so I have the time to do them. It has been a pivotal week for
:30:09. > :30:19.Labour, with Ed Miliband calling for a cap on a large portion of the
:30:19. > :30:19.
:30:20. > :30:22.welfare bill. Two years out from the general election, there is limited
:30:22. > :30:29.detail on their manifesto, but winter fuel payments would be
:30:29. > :30:33.scrapped. I am joined now by the shadow work and pensions Secretary,
:30:33. > :30:40.Liam Byrne. You have finally bought into this austerity agenda, it
:30:40. > :30:46.seems? Well we cannot go on like this. I
:30:46. > :30:54.think what people want to hear now from Labour is how would you be
:30:54. > :31:02.different in 2015? We can be radical with power and realistic with money,
:31:02. > :31:07.which means we need some fundamental form of security. It was interesting
:31:07. > :31:11.listening to it last week because we remember Ed Miliband at the
:31:11. > :31:18.beginning of this year saying benefit cuts work punitive, they
:31:18. > :31:23.must not happen, so what's changed? If we were in government today, we
:31:23. > :31:27.would be doing things differently. I cannot explain why the richest
:31:27. > :31:32.citizens are getting tax cuts and the poorest are seeing their
:31:32. > :31:37.benefits being taken away at such a pace they are relying on food banks.
:31:37. > :31:43.You were famously the person who left your successor that note at the
:31:43. > :31:51.Treasury saying good look, the money has run out. Why has it taken Labour
:31:51. > :31:55.so long to come to this conclusion? What we have got to do, with two
:31:55. > :31:59.years to go before the election is show how we would be different.
:31:59. > :32:09.There are some tough edges, we cannot disguise that, and Ed balls
:32:09. > :32:19.said there would be a triple lock on spending. That means cuts, where
:32:19. > :32:23.
:32:23. > :32:33.will they fall? You have to put in reform, starting with more concerted
:32:33. > :32:38.action to get people back into work. You explain that last week, but what
:32:38. > :32:43.about cuts? Where would they fall? Invariably you would have to make
:32:43. > :32:49.cuts and that is not what you have explained in any detail. We have
:32:49. > :32:53.said we want to bring some spending levels down. At the moment we spend
:32:53. > :33:03.about �30 billion on tax credits as a country, so we are asking why are
:33:03. > :33:05.
:33:05. > :33:11.we subsidising low pay? Let's take another example, housing benefit. We
:33:11. > :33:21.spend �24 billion a year on housing benefit, that has risen by 1
:33:21. > :33:22.
:33:22. > :33:28.billion. We are saying give more latitude to manage those budgets.
:33:28. > :33:32.would take time for that, so in the short term what happens? Let's say
:33:32. > :33:38.you get into power in two years, you would have to make cuts but you seem
:33:38. > :33:42.nervous about using that word. at all, but at the moment we don't
:33:42. > :33:46.have a cap on social security spending, so the government can sit
:33:47. > :33:50.back and let failing programmes continue failing. The work programme
:33:50. > :33:55.at the moment is literally worse than doing nothing but because there
:33:55. > :33:58.is no long-term cap on security spending, Iain Duncan Smith can sit
:33:58. > :34:03.back and say whatever. If you have a cap on that spending you cannot do
:34:03. > :34:08.that. If you have a failing programme, you have got to sort it
:34:08. > :34:15.out. This tackles low pay, housing benefit and getting people back into
:34:15. > :34:22.work. It is the only long-term reform you can put in place. What
:34:22. > :34:26.about winter fuel payments, you said you will remove those? Is this
:34:26. > :34:30.principle of universalism over now? Every generation has got to reset
:34:30. > :34:35.the balance between universal benefits on the one hand and
:34:35. > :34:39.targeted benefits on the other. In the next election there will be
:34:39. > :34:48.important universal benefits we campaign on, like the flat rate
:34:48. > :34:52.pension. That is good idea, but it is not and we think it should be.
:34:52. > :35:02.But you have got to reset the balance, so other targeted benefits
:35:02. > :35:10.we don't think that are affordable, and winter fuel payments for people
:35:10. > :35:17.like Ann and others are not affordable. What about TV licences
:35:17. > :35:25.and bus passes? I think the bus passes are important in keeping
:35:25. > :35:34.older People's connections with the world, but we would be clearer on
:35:34. > :35:40.that nearer the time. Ed Miliband acknowledged that when you were in
:35:40. > :35:44.power you didn't do enough to rein in the welfare bill. Some spending
:35:44. > :35:48.went up, pensions and tax credits, and there were some things that if
:35:48. > :35:52.we were reliving that time again we would do differently. We would have
:35:52. > :35:57.been a lot faster on reforming incapacity benefit and we should
:35:57. > :36:04.have been building more homes as well. Look at the levels of rent in
:36:04. > :36:09.London, going up and up. You spent too much money, you left that note
:36:09. > :36:19.about the money running out. truth is out of work benefits, that
:36:19. > :36:24.bill, it felt. The note said it all, you spent too much money. After
:36:24. > :36:34.recession, the spending goes up but the problem is it is not coming down
:36:34. > :36:34.
:36:34. > :36:42.again. We have got to put the system back on an even keel for the
:36:42. > :36:47.long-term and it will take long-term reform to do that. The Conservative
:36:47. > :36:53.Way is failing. The gigantic global success of Downton Abbey made him
:36:53. > :36:56.one of the most famous faces on TV, around the world, and of his career
:36:56. > :37:03.goes to plan, Dan Stevens will be just as much a hit on the big
:37:03. > :37:08.screen. His new feature film is a love triangle set in Cornwall about
:37:08. > :37:12.a group of English artist on the eve of the great War. It has been a
:37:12. > :37:22.labour of love for him in many ways and Dan Stevens joins me this
:37:22. > :37:32.
:37:32. > :37:36.morning. Tell us more about the film, Summer In February. A teacher
:37:36. > :37:40.at school became on tour and friend of mine, and I read the book when I
:37:40. > :37:45.was about 14 so the book has lived with me half of my life really. We
:37:45. > :37:48.always talked about it becoming a film, mostly joking in the early
:37:48. > :37:53.days but everybody who read the book became enchanted with it, thought it
:37:53. > :37:57.would make a wonderful film. When I became an actor and as things
:37:57. > :38:07.progressed, it looked more likely that this could happen. I teamed up
:38:07. > :38:16.
:38:16. > :38:19.with a number of other people passionate about the book and the
:38:19. > :38:22.story and it is an extraordinary story about this girl who goes down
:38:22. > :38:24.to Cornwall and falls in love with two different men, and they fall in
:38:24. > :38:27.love with her, and this tragic love triangle, the divide between the
:38:27. > :38:29.upstanding man and the roguish rock 'n' roll artist. It is a classic
:38:29. > :38:33.narrative but it is true and often the narratives and mysteries of our
:38:33. > :38:39.own lives are more fascinating than fiction really. It shows a lot of
:38:39. > :38:42.guts on your part because you are the hit in Downton Abbey and the
:38:43. > :38:47.next thing is a film you have produced, a labour of love,
:38:47. > :38:52.something you have wanted to do since you were 14. Did it feel like
:38:52. > :39:02.a risk? It is always a risk when making a film, it is a risky
:39:02. > :39:09.
:39:09. > :39:13.business but this has been in development for about seven years.
:39:13. > :39:18.The teacher who wrote this book is the man who propelled due to
:39:18. > :39:23.Cambridge and from there on to your acting career which landed you in
:39:23. > :39:26.Downton. Yes, we stayed great friends and he always encouraged my
:39:26. > :39:30.love of acting and literature and the new Cambridge would be a good
:39:30. > :39:37.spot for me, and he was right. It makes me incredibly proud to think
:39:37. > :39:47.how far we have come and it is about 15 years since we met. You broke so
:39:47. > :39:47.
:39:47. > :39:53.many hearts when you left Downton. Let's have a look. Where are the
:39:53. > :39:58.others? Back at the house, panting to see you, to see you both, but I
:39:58. > :40:08.have sent mother to keep them at bay. I wanted a chance to be alone
:40:08. > :40:08.
:40:08. > :40:18.with my family. You had better go and tell them. But first I think I
:40:18. > :40:20.
:40:20. > :40:27.have earned a decent case. certainly, certainly have. And then
:40:27. > :40:33.you go and die. Quite an extreme way to get out of changing nappies.
:40:33. > :40:39.happened on Christmas Day! You are not supposed to die on Christmas
:40:39. > :40:45.day, I think, but it spoke well to the show, to the character, that
:40:45. > :40:50.people were so upset. Was Julian Fellowes genuinely quite angry about
:40:50. > :40:55.it? No, he understands the life of an actor and for me it felt like the
:40:55. > :41:00.right time. It was obviously a three-year engagement, they wanted
:41:00. > :41:06.it to run on and the me it was time to move on. You look so different
:41:06. > :41:14.for a start, is this life in America? I have just done a film
:41:14. > :41:21.with Liam Neeson in America, and each role requires different
:41:21. > :41:29.hairstyles, accents, it is part of the job. What is it like in
:41:29. > :41:36.America? I am enjoying it.Is that the future? For the time being, I am
:41:36. > :41:41.back here for the summer, and just move around with the work really.
:41:41. > :41:50.When my family can travel, they will, and it is an exciting time.
:41:50. > :41:54.And Summer In February is out this week? On Friday.Allegations the
:41:54. > :42:04.government has been making use of Americans by surveillance to watch
:42:04. > :42:08.over Internet activity have provoked a backlash. Conservative MPs have
:42:08. > :42:12.voiced their grave concerns and senior US intelligence figures are
:42:12. > :42:17.worried that any major revelations could be damaging to America's
:42:17. > :42:21.relationship with the UK. The Foreign Secretary William Hague
:42:21. > :42:29.oversees the UK is eavesdropping centre GCHQ and joins me now. Where
:42:29. > :42:32.you surprised by the revelations? think I have been around long enough
:42:32. > :42:36.not to be surprised by any revelations about anything but there
:42:36. > :42:45.are some things people need to know about how we handle intelligence. I
:42:45. > :42:50.will give a statement to Parliament on this tomorrow and the committee
:42:50. > :42:54.will be fully entitled to look at all aspects of our intelligence
:42:54. > :42:59.gathering. People need to know that intelligence gathering in this
:42:59. > :43:03.country is governed by a very strong legal framework so we need to get
:43:03. > :43:09.the balance right between the liberties of people and the security
:43:09. > :43:13.of the country, and that provides not for trawling through people's
:43:13. > :43:18.phone calls, it provides for intelligence gathering that is
:43:18. > :43:23.authorised, necessary, proportionate, and targeted.
:43:23. > :43:27.Targeted on what we really need to know. Of course we share a lot of
:43:27. > :43:32.information with the United States, that has been the case since the
:43:32. > :43:38.Second World War. The US and the UK have an exceptional relationship,
:43:38. > :43:44.but if information arrives in the UK from the United States, it is
:43:44. > :43:49.governed by our laws and GCHQ has been praised by the commissioners
:43:49. > :43:55.for the highest standards of integrity and legal compliance.
:43:55. > :43:59.you know about Prism? I can never confirm or deny in public what
:44:00. > :44:06.Britain knows about and what Britain doesn't, for obvious reasons. Once
:44:06. > :44:11.we start doing that, the terrorists we are trying to defeat build up the
:44:11. > :44:16.picture. The intelligence and Security committee can look at that.
:44:16. > :44:21.It is all over the papers, the allegations, the company that has
:44:21. > :44:28.supposedly been targeted. Are you going to be able to tell the British
:44:28. > :44:33.public whether or not Prism exists and whether you have been getting
:44:33. > :44:37.information on British citizens from it? No, we can talk about the
:44:37. > :44:43.framework in which we do things. We cannot possibly get into we exactly
:44:43. > :44:46.do this or that. That gives to the very people that we are trying to
:44:46. > :44:54.keep this country safe from the information they need to know about,
:44:54. > :44:57.how they can get around what we do. If Prism is being used, it looks
:44:57. > :45:01.like you are getting around the legal structures in place because
:45:01. > :45:05.you can get information from US Internet companies but you have to
:45:05. > :45:15.apply for it. It looks like the maybe three years you have been
:45:15. > :45:16.
:45:16. > :45:20.getting information without legally applying for it. When people get
:45:20. > :45:25.partial information about what is a vast, complex picture, all sorts of
:45:25. > :45:29.things can look true or untrue. It follows about what I was seeing
:45:29. > :45:35.earlier about the very high standards of legal compliance of
:45:35. > :45:42.GCHQ and the strong legal framework that this country has. I know GCHQ
:45:42. > :45:46.very well and I authorise operations most days of the week by GCHQ. The
:45:46. > :45:53.idea that in GCHQ people are sitting working out how to circumvent a UK
:45:53. > :46:00.law with another and -- with another agency, another country, it is
:46:00. > :46:06.fanciful. You do have to authorise it, so if this had been going on,
:46:06. > :46:10.you would know about it, you would authorise it. David Davis says it is
:46:10. > :46:15.highly unlikely that you and to reason they knew this was going on?
:46:15. > :46:21.Ministers give authority to the actions of GCHQ. We can say that in
:46:21. > :46:28.general terms. That is also worth a word about so that people understand
:46:28. > :46:32.the extent of the checks and balances in the system. Intelligence
:46:32. > :46:38.gathering operations by GCHQ MI5, they come to me or the Home
:46:38. > :46:44.Secretary personally. It is not something delegated to a junior
:46:44. > :46:47.minister. We take our duties very seriously. We spend hours on these
:46:48. > :46:54.things every week. Every request comes with clear legal advice and
:46:54. > :46:57.the justification for any interceptions. Our decisions are
:46:57. > :47:01.then subject to continual review by an interception Commissioner and our
:47:01. > :47:09.work is subject to the scrutiny of the cross-party intelligence and
:47:09. > :47:18.security committee. We read that there was something like 109 the
:47:18. > :47:23.requests for information from Prism. -- something like 190 requests.
:47:23. > :47:27.cannot possibly confirm nor deny those things. But the legal
:47:28. > :47:31.framework is strong. The ministerial oversight is very strong. The net
:47:31. > :47:36.effect of all that, and people who are concerned about these things
:47:36. > :47:39.having listened to the media, the net effect is that if you are a
:47:39. > :47:45.law-abiding citizen of this country going about your business and your
:47:45. > :47:48.personal life, you have nothing to fear. You have nothing to fear about
:47:48. > :47:54.the British state of intelligence agencies listening to the contents
:47:54. > :47:58.of your phone calls at anything like that. You will never be aware of all
:47:58. > :48:03.those things those agencies are doing to stop you attended the being
:48:03. > :48:08.stolen and to stop terrorists blowing your tomorrow. -- to stop
:48:08. > :48:11.your identity being stolen. But if you are a terrorist or a member of
:48:11. > :48:16.foreign intelligence agency trying to spy Britain, you should be
:48:16. > :48:22.worried, because that is what we work on and we are, on the whole,
:48:22. > :48:27.quite good at it. It is one thing to say to the British public, the
:48:27. > :48:31.threat level is so high that we need to look at this sort of stuff. It is
:48:31. > :48:40.another thing to do it covertly and not tell people at all. They'd
:48:40. > :48:45.argued reasons. They are totally legitimate and understandable
:48:45. > :48:49.questions, but I cannot accept the premises of all the questions. Why
:48:49. > :48:56.do we not tell people how we go about gathering intelligence? It is
:48:56. > :49:00.because some thought goes into to the part of terrors and criminal
:49:00. > :49:05.networks as to how they can communicate without GCHQ ordered the
:49:05. > :49:09.Secret Service finding out about them. If we could tell the whole
:49:09. > :49:14.world and the whole country how we do this business, people would be
:49:14. > :49:18.enormously reassured by it. They would see that the law-abiding
:49:18. > :49:25.citizen has nothing to worry about, but if we did that, it would defeat
:49:25. > :49:29.the objective. This is secret work, secret intelligence, and it is
:49:29. > :49:34.secret for a reason, protecting the people of this country. You will
:49:34. > :49:39.have lots of unanswered rice genes, even if you make a statement to the
:49:39. > :49:45.Commons tomorrow. That is in the nature of intelligence. Let's move
:49:45. > :49:55.on to Syria. MPs are very keen to have a vote before they make a
:49:55. > :49:55.
:49:55. > :49:58.decision on arming the rebels. have not made any such decision. It
:49:58. > :50:03.is a very important and clearly controversial decision. People have
:50:03. > :50:08.strong views about it. We have made clear this week that although there
:50:08. > :50:12.is not an established procedure for that, we have a good record in going
:50:12. > :50:16.to the House of Commons for a vote. There would be a vote one way or
:50:16. > :50:22.another. Before the decision was made? Well, there is no established
:50:22. > :50:27.procedure for it but I cannot see why it would not be before any such
:50:27. > :50:33.decision was implemented. We would not use a Parliamentary recess to
:50:33. > :50:38.say, we cannot consult Parliament cause it is the of August. MPs do
:50:38. > :50:43.not have to be concerned about that. But the main thing is the issue of
:50:43. > :50:49.what we do about Syria. We are engaged in intense diplomacy to try
:50:49. > :50:53.and get a Geneva peace conference together. But as things stand today,
:50:53. > :50:58.the world is failing the people of Syria who are being killed and tens
:50:58. > :51:04.of thousands, tortured and abused, and driven from their homes. We have
:51:04. > :51:08.failed so far to protect them. want to confirm, you will give a
:51:08. > :51:12.vote to MPs before a decision is made, and if Parliament is in
:51:12. > :51:17.recess, with Parliament be recalled, because obviously the
:51:17. > :51:21.events in Syria are worsening of the time? If we were making such a
:51:21. > :51:26.decision and it was controversial, there would be a huge demand for the
:51:26. > :51:34.recall of Parliament. I think I can be very reassuring to MPs about this
:51:34. > :51:38.subject. But in a way that is a procedural question. There is a
:51:38. > :51:42.bigger foreign policy, ethical dilemma about what we do. People
:51:42. > :51:48.have understandable concerns about the idea of sending arms to anybody
:51:48. > :51:52.in Syria. We would all be rather reluctant to do that, but on the
:51:52. > :51:58.other hand, people are being killed in huge numbers when the world
:51:58. > :52:00.denies them the means to defend themselves. You want to get to the
:52:00. > :52:08.point where you can have negotiations with President Assad.
:52:08. > :52:11.But he knows that written, France, America, you want him to go. What
:52:11. > :52:17.incentive is there for him to come to the table if your arm the
:52:17. > :52:24.rebels? We need more pressure on the regime to come to the negotiating
:52:24. > :52:27.table and be realistic. They must understand that you're never going
:52:27. > :52:32.to be able to undertake the total military conquest in subjection of
:52:32. > :52:36.their country by force. That would leave permanently unstable country
:52:36. > :52:40.and region and the need to come to a political solution with the
:52:41. > :52:45.opposition. A transitional government made up of the regime and
:52:45. > :52:48.opposition. We are doing hard work trying to make sure that the
:52:48. > :52:54.opposition coming to such negotiations. You look at resident
:52:54. > :52:58.Assad last week, you look at the victory in the south-west, he is on
:52:58. > :53:04.the front feet, he seems to be emboldened by? The regime has gained
:53:04. > :53:08.ground that the cost of the massive loss of life and the indiscriminate
:53:08. > :53:12.use of violence against the civilian population. That makes the Geneva
:53:12. > :53:19.conference harder to bring about and to make a success. It makes it less
:53:19. > :53:24.likely that the regime will make concessions in negotiations. It
:53:24. > :53:28.makes it harder to get the opposition to come to negotiations.
:53:28. > :53:32.The way things are changing on the ground in Syria is not helping.
:53:32. > :53:37.you think those discussions in Geneva will happen at all? We are
:53:37. > :53:43.working on that. They are not coming together in the next couple of
:53:43. > :53:46.weeks. I find that worrying and depressing. I read you had some
:53:46. > :53:51.rather glamorous company on your doorstep the other week, is it true
:53:51. > :53:56.that Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt turned up at your doorstep? They
:53:56. > :54:03.did. I worked closely with Angelina and preventing sexual violence and
:54:03. > :54:08.conflict. We are making good progress. There is a historic
:54:09. > :54:13.declaration that will be taken to the GN is -- will that will be
:54:14. > :54:20.taking to the UN security council next week. She is a great heart of
:54:20. > :54:24.this campaign. I can bring all the work of the UK and the role of the
:54:24. > :54:29.British Foreign Secretary to it, but I cannot bring the same degree of
:54:29. > :54:35.global attention to the issue. thought you were going to say
:54:35. > :54:39.glamour! Well, I cannot bring that either. It makes a good combination.
:54:39. > :54:45.The G8 nations have pledged to hold sexual violence and war, but the
:54:45. > :54:49.issue is how you translate that on the ground, as always? Yes. I am
:54:49. > :54:55.trying to get as many countries as possible to support an international
:54:55. > :54:59.protocol in the investigation and prosecution of these crimes. I have
:54:59. > :55:04.set up a team of experts that can be deployed into countries and gather
:55:04. > :55:13.evidence and make sure Ross edition stick face. -- and make sure that
:55:13. > :55:19.prosecutions take those. We do have rules about war that we do not use.
:55:19. > :55:22.We do not use chemical weapons. Civilised nations do not do so. We
:55:22. > :55:28.have the Geneva Convention. We do not abuse and torture prisoners.
:55:28. > :55:31.There are certain conventions in war and one should be that the
:55:32. > :55:36.systematic use of rape to degrade and humiliate populations and to
:55:36. > :55:40.make peace building after harder, this should be something the entire
:55:40. > :55:44.civilised world rejects and does something about when it happens and
:55:44. > :55:50.that is what Angelina Jolie and I are working hard on. I must ask you
:55:50. > :55:54.about the story in the mail on Sunday, the Tory MP asking for a
:55:54. > :55:59.vote of no-confidence in the Prime Minister. What do you make of that?
:55:59. > :56:04.Not very much. This government is achieving a great deal that would be
:56:04. > :56:08.ruined, in my view, by a Labour government. We are trying to rescue
:56:08. > :56:13.this country from the brink of bankruptcy. We are able to do that
:56:13. > :56:20.because we have got a great Prime Minister. I work with him every day
:56:20. > :56:23.and he is someone who does a fantastic job for this country.
:56:23. > :56:31.There is an opinion poll today that says for the first time he is less
:56:31. > :56:36.popular than the party. I do not think we should be influenced too
:56:36. > :56:39.much by opinion polls that go up and down every day. There is no
:56:39. > :56:43.politician who has achieved anything and they would never have managed it
:56:43. > :56:48.if they went into despair every time there was an adverse opinion poll.
:56:48. > :56:50.Are we doing the right things and creating jobs in this country, are
:56:50. > :56:57.we allowing the foundations for economic recovery and bringing down
:56:57. > :57:00.the deficit. Yes, we are. The best thing we can do in this country is
:57:00. > :57:06.to make sure that we really finish and do those things and not be
:57:06. > :57:11.bothered about opinion polls. about lobbying, the story in the
:57:11. > :57:16.Sunday Times today, those stories do not help you? They do not, but I do
:57:16. > :57:20.not want to comment because I see that the MP concerned disputes that.
:57:20. > :57:24.We will have to find out the truth, but what we have seen over the last
:57:24. > :57:28.week is very bad for Parliament and the reputation of politics. Where
:57:29. > :57:35.people have done wrong, it has to be dealt with lovely and decisively.
:57:35. > :57:38.Thank you for joining me. Now over to Sian for the news headlines. The
:57:38. > :57:43.Foreign Secretary has confirmed he will make a stick into Parliament
:57:43. > :57:50.about claims that the intelligence agency GCHQ spied on people's
:57:50. > :57:52.Internet use. It is accused of accessing data through a US spy
:57:52. > :57:55.programme called Prism. Apple, Facebook, Microsoft and Google have
:57:55. > :57:59.all denied giving government agents access to their servers. Speaking on
:57:59. > :58:03.this programme, William Hague said it was fanciful to think that GCHQ
:58:03. > :58:09.was trying to circumvent these strict legal framework in the UK
:58:09. > :58:14.governing intelligence gathering. Mr Hague said that secrecy was
:58:14. > :58:17.essential but law-abiding citizens had nothing to worry about.
:58:17. > :58:20.Nelson Mandela has spent a second night in hospital. The former South
:58:20. > :58:22.African President, who is 94 years old, is being treated for the
:58:22. > :58:25.recurrence of a lung infection. A presidential spokesman said Mr
:58:25. > :58:27.Mandela is now able to breath unaided, which is a positive sign.
:58:27. > :58:31.He remains in a serious but stable condition.
:58:31. > :58:35.That's all from me for now. The next news on BBC One is just after
:58:35. > :58:40.midday. Back to Sophie in a moment, but first, a look at what's coming
:58:41. > :58:44.up after this show. Join us at ten, live from Warrington
:58:45. > :58:48.where we have activist and former officers lined up to discuss Syria.
:58:49. > :58:54.Is the children's commissioners right to suggest that children
:58:54. > :58:57.should learn about porn in school? And the rapper is here to praise the
:58:57. > :59:00.Lord. That's all we've got time for today,
:59:00. > :59:06.I'm afraid. Thanks to all my guests. Jeremy Vine will be here next Sunday
:59:06. > :59:08.at nine on BBC One. He will be talking to the Deputy Prime