:00:40. > :00:44.Happy Father's Day. The dads who run Britain's government have made
:00:44. > :00:47.much of the importance of time spent at home - pressing the case
:00:47. > :00:50.for paternity leave and so on. But events are pressing in from outside,
:00:50. > :00:53.as they so often do. Difficult to enjoy your domestic situation when
:00:53. > :00:59.Presidents and Prime Ministers from the G8 are about to descend to talk
:00:59. > :01:04.Syria and Google. With me today to review the Sunday papers, Gillian
:01:04. > :01:07.Tett, from the Financial Times and the Daily Mirror's Kevin Maguire.
:01:07. > :01:10.Prominent in those papers today, the theme of the weekend really.
:01:10. > :01:18.The perils of western governments getting drawn into the fighting in
:01:18. > :01:23.Syria, after President Obama said he wants to help the rebels.
:01:23. > :01:27.President Putin will be in Downing Street for talks later today and it
:01:27. > :01:31.will be high on the agenda for the G8 meeting starting tomorrow in
:01:31. > :01:37.Northern Ireland. This morning, I will be previewing that summit
:01:37. > :01:43.would Nick Clegg. We will discuss Syria and also the chances of an
:01:43. > :01:50.international deal and clampdown on tax avoidance. Why do some Tory
:01:50. > :01:56.coalition colleagues seem to be getting so frustrated with him? Ben
:01:56. > :02:06.Chuka Umunna, how would his party tackle the likes of Google and
:02:06. > :02:09.
:02:09. > :02:12.their tax affairs. From child star to a challenging new stage role. I
:02:12. > :02:15.have been speaking to Daniel Radcliffe about his emergence as a
:02:15. > :02:18.serious actor, although he is still grateful to the fans of Harry
:02:18. > :02:21.Potter. Hysteria is fine. That is always welcome. And we have some
:02:21. > :02:31.live music too. A Zimbabwean-folk fusion, drawing attention to the
:02:31. > :02:36.
:02:36. > :02:39.All that's coming up. But, first, the news. Good morning. Four people,
:02:39. > :02:43.including a police officer, have been stabbed at a mosque in
:02:43. > :02:53.Birmingham. All the victims are in a stable condition in hospital. A
:02:53. > :02:58.
:02:58. > :03:03.32-year-old man has been arrested West Midlands Police arrived at the
:03:03. > :03:07.mosque at 11pm. They found a scene of mayhem - worshippers running for
:03:08. > :03:14.cover. The three men suffering stab wounds. One eye witness described a
:03:14. > :03:18.man with a machete entering the musket in Birmingham. As officers
:03:18. > :03:28.attempted to arrest a suspect, a policeman was also stabbed. I am
:03:28. > :03:30.
:03:30. > :03:36.really shocked to know this. This is shocking for me to know a police
:03:36. > :03:40.have as there has been stabbed as well. Local people claimed the man
:03:40. > :03:44.was of Somali appearance. The area around the mosque has been cordoned
:03:44. > :03:50.off. The police officer and three other stab victims have all been
:03:50. > :03:57.taken to hospital. The condition is described as stable. A local man
:03:57. > :04:01.has been arrested on suspicion of Turkish riot police have used
:04:01. > :04:04.rubber bullets and tear gas to clear a park in the centre of
:04:04. > :04:06.Istanbul, which had been occupied for more than two weeks by anti-
:04:06. > :04:16.government protesters. The police operation came hours after the
:04:16. > :04:17.
:04:17. > :04:21.Turkish Prime Minister called for They stayed on the streets in
:04:21. > :04:26.Istanbul, throwing anything they could find at police. The
:04:26. > :04:31.protesters started fires and formed their own barricades, as the street
:04:31. > :04:36.battles raged through the night. They were trying to get back into
:04:36. > :04:43.Taksim Square. The police blocked their way. Earlier, what looked
:04:43. > :04:47.like an Army of officers in riot gear used tear-gas to clear this
:04:47. > :04:53.park, with the support of the Prime Minister. People had been camped
:04:53. > :05:00.out here in the last two weeks, in response to a violent crackdown
:05:00. > :05:04.against protesters. It ended with more clashes with the police. The
:05:04. > :05:07.Prime Minister justify these measures when he addressed his
:05:07. > :05:13.supporters before the park was cleared.
:05:13. > :05:19.TRANSLATION: Police used water cannon and tear-gas. That is how it
:05:19. > :05:24.is in the European Union. It is like this in Russia and China. Some
:05:24. > :05:28.countries even used live bullets. In Istanbul, but protesters may
:05:28. > :05:33.have been moved on but they have not gone quietly. Stopping the
:05:33. > :05:35.crowds from regrouping is the focus of police. Thousands of Iranians
:05:35. > :05:38.have been celebrating on the streets of Tehran, after the
:05:38. > :05:42.reformist candidate, Hassan Rohani, won the presidential election. He
:05:42. > :05:46.took just over 50% of the vote and described the result as a triumph
:05:46. > :05:48.of wisdom over extremism. The Foreign Office has called on Mr
:05:48. > :05:54.Rohani to develop a more constructive relationship with the
:05:54. > :05:56.west after years of deadlock over Iran's nuclear programme. Ecuador's
:05:56. > :06:00.Foreign Minister will meet the founder of Wikileaks, Julian
:06:00. > :06:04.Assange, today at the country's embassy in London. Mr Assange has
:06:04. > :06:08.been in the building for a year and has been told he will be arrested
:06:08. > :06:10.and face extradition to Sweden if he leaves. Ricardo Patino, who will
:06:10. > :06:17.hold talks with the Foreign Secretary, William Hague, tomorrow,
:06:17. > :06:19.said he hoped his visit would help Andy Murray is through to this
:06:19. > :06:24.afternoon's final at Queen's where he'll face defending champion Marin
:06:24. > :06:29.Cilic. Murray's match against Jo Wilfried Tsonga was affected by
:06:29. > :06:39.rain but Murray eventually beat him over three sets. You can see the
:06:39. > :06:39.
:06:39. > :06:46.final live on BBC One from 12:20pm That's all from me, for now. I'll
:06:46. > :06:56.be back with the headlines just before 10am. Hank you. Now, on the
:06:56. > :06:57.
:06:57. > :07:04.The Sunday Times is talking about Syria and David Cameron facing
:07:04. > :07:10.defeat about supplier rebels with arms. Iran is sending troops to the
:07:10. > :07:17.aid of Assad. The Sunday Telegraph believes that wind farms are hugely
:07:17. > :07:25.expensive - more so than we realise. In the Scotland on Sunday, G8
:07:26. > :07:29.terror alert. Passenger jet escorted to Prestwick. In the
:07:29. > :07:36.People, Nigella Lawson of Paris having her throat grabbed by her
:07:36. > :07:41.husband in a restaurant. And with me to review the papers are Gillian
:07:41. > :07:47.Tett and Kevin Maguire. Let's talk about what you have banned in the
:07:47. > :07:52.papers. As you have heard, the Middle East is dominating the
:07:52. > :07:55.headlines. In the Sunday Times, Cameron faces defeat over Syria. It
:07:55. > :08:00.illustrates how many land mines await both the UK and US
:08:00. > :08:03.governments right now. On the one hand, they know if they do not
:08:03. > :08:10.intervene in Syria, the humanitarian situation will become
:08:10. > :08:16.a lot worse. On the other hand, if they do intervene, it is very
:08:16. > :08:24.uncertain whether the population will support them. Voters have
:08:24. > :08:30.intervention fatigue. Interesting on Libya, in 2011, only one Tory MP
:08:30. > :08:34.rebelled against him. Now it will be touch and go whether he could
:08:34. > :08:39.get a majority in the House of Commons. The Labour is against and
:08:39. > :08:43.the Lib Dems are less sure. On the question of Syria, in the
:08:43. > :08:47.Independent on Sunday, it is pointed out that to tip the balance
:08:47. > :08:53.of power with arms it would have to be all out war. That is the only
:08:53. > :08:59.way that Assad would be deposed. Huge risks because you do not know
:08:59. > :09:06.who gets the weapons. He estimates about 10% of the rebels, Freedom
:09:06. > :09:12.fighters, but everyone to call them, are under control. -- whatever you
:09:12. > :09:16.want to call them. Conservatives are concerned about
:09:16. > :09:22.jihadists and all of that. I would think that would be a concern of
:09:22. > :09:29.the Israelis as well. You have the election in Iran. One implication
:09:29. > :09:37.for what is happening in Syria is the growing Sunni, Shia split in
:09:37. > :09:44.the Middle East. The Shi'ite have been getting increasingly involved
:09:44. > :09:51.in Syria. If you want some good news about the Middle East, we have
:09:51. > :09:56.had this extraordinary result overnight from the election. Hassan
:09:56. > :10:01.Rohani, who is regarded adds less extremist and more moderate than
:10:01. > :10:05.many other candidates, has won a shock victory in Iran. It is hard
:10:05. > :10:09.to say whether that will help to calm down the situation with
:10:10. > :10:18.nuclear negotiations for the Middle East or broadly. Frankly, they are
:10:18. > :10:24.not a lot of other reasons to be encouraged about the Middle East.
:10:24. > :10:29.In the Observer, their man in Istanbul is saying that the Prime
:10:29. > :10:35.Minister struggles to make sense of Turkish trauma. He has not quite
:10:35. > :10:45.got what happened. What began as a protest at development of the park,
:10:45. > :10:55.has tended people wanting freedoms, civil limites. -- turned to people.
:10:55. > :10:56.
:10:56. > :11:01.While he understands this has been terrible for turkey, -- Turkey, he
:11:01. > :11:07.still does not get where so many Turks are prepared to stand up and
:11:07. > :11:11.face of water cannon, tear-gas and plastic bullets. This is important.
:11:11. > :11:19.Turkey has been a moderate Islamic country which many people had
:11:19. > :11:25.turned to as an example of how to collaborate with the Islamic world.
:11:25. > :11:30.No one can work out how Islamic the Turkish situation is. It starts a
:11:30. > :11:37.park and a shopping centre. exactly the stub it shows the power
:11:37. > :11:42.of social media. -- exactly. We may have seen that in a good way in
:11:42. > :11:48.Iran but in Turkey it is less positive. We have not even mention
:11:48. > :11:53.tax avoidance yet. I have gone for a story in the Sunday Express. This
:11:53. > :11:57.article points out the difference between tax evasion and tax
:11:57. > :12:03.avoidance. There is a big challenge will governments in getting
:12:03. > :12:08.companies to pay their fair share. What is interesting is that this is
:12:08. > :12:13.in the Sunday Express at all. Until recently, the question of taxation
:12:13. > :12:17.did not go mainstream Atul. This indicates the degree to which there
:12:17. > :12:24.is pressure on the G8 as it needs to be seen to be doing something
:12:24. > :12:30.about the tax problem. It is mainstream now. I'm not sure that
:12:30. > :12:36.peace has room to mention Richard Desmond's own business in the
:12:36. > :12:42.Channel Islands... It is mainstream. David Cameron is huffing and
:12:42. > :12:46.puffing at the G8 about it. Will he achieve anything? In the Observer,
:12:46. > :12:51.they suggest not. Countries in the developing world will not know who
:12:51. > :12:56.is taking money out because they cannot put it into a tax haven. If
:12:56. > :13:01.crown dependencies and British overseas territories, the Isle of
:13:01. > :13:06.Man and British Cayman Islands, for example, have to give authorities
:13:06. > :13:11.information, they will not know what is going on. It is a welcome
:13:11. > :13:18.move in the right direction but we have any effect? Is this territory
:13:18. > :13:25.for the G8? We have a great piece about the G8 same, a problem shared
:13:25. > :13:30.is a problem shelved. On the issue of tax, you need international co-
:13:30. > :13:33.ordination. The G8 is a useless body. We have gone from a world
:13:33. > :13:38.where it seemed to rule the roost to the world would be thought the
:13:38. > :13:48.G20 was going to be the new answer as China and things like that rise
:13:48. > :13:48.
:13:48. > :13:55.in power. Now Gzero is the new theme of the day. No one is in
:13:55. > :14:02.charge. Expecting the G8 to do very much his optimistic these days.
:14:02. > :14:11.have Canada and Italy but not China and India. When China is on board,
:14:11. > :14:14.it is too big a group. There is one more. This is a terrific piece of
:14:14. > :14:21.reporting from the Sunday Times. It is an issue which has not had a lot
:14:21. > :14:25.of attention but will be on the agenda of the G8. What will we do
:14:25. > :14:30.about antibiotics? They are so widely used that we are seeing
:14:30. > :14:34.strains of superbugs which are resistant. I read this with some
:14:34. > :14:39.guilt. Last week I gave my daughter antibiotics for a chest infection.
:14:39. > :14:47.As we keep kids all grown-ups more and more antibiotics, we are
:14:47. > :14:51.potentially creating the next health crisis. All the factory-
:14:51. > :14:56.farmed food we eat is all full of antibiotics. Hats off to the Sunday
:14:56. > :15:02.Times for picking up on it. It is a great piece. I am sure that parents
:15:02. > :15:06.will be very interested in theirs. I was in a hotel in Paris as I
:15:06. > :15:16.heard someone saying, I had a pain in my ear so I thought I would
:15:16. > :15:27.
:15:27. > :15:31.blasted with antibiotics. That is Party to say we can all unite around
:15:31. > :15:36.the idea of a referendum after the next general election, should they
:15:36. > :15:43.be in a position to influence whether there'll be that referendum.
:15:44. > :15:47.But Kate Hoey says it is a cynical decision and that 25 Labour MPs will
:15:47. > :15:52.defy the order to abstain and vote with the Conservatives. Labour has
:15:52. > :15:55.got a problem on Europe, with the party split on whether or not it
:15:55. > :15:59.supports a referendum. I think most Labour MPs are in favour of the
:16:00. > :16:02.European Union. It is not like David Cameron's problem, he's got such a
:16:02. > :16:07.large portion of his party now that would Plaid Cymru to pull out.
:16:07. > :16:11.Labour isn't like that, but there is a tactical issue, do you back a
:16:11. > :16:14.referendum or not? I think Ed Miliband should have promised a
:16:14. > :16:20.referendum before David Cameron. He missed that boat. Perhaps he should
:16:20. > :16:25.do it now and promise it in 2016. But the Shadow Foreign Secretary,
:16:25. > :16:29.Douglas Alexander, is thinking if we win the election we don't want to be
:16:29. > :16:33.lumber with the referendum. And we can't get away with doing billion,
:16:33. > :16:38.their policy on child abuse images. Google and the other tech companies
:16:38. > :16:45.are frantically trying to get good PR, so guess what? They are clamping
:16:45. > :16:49.down on something we can all agree is a bad thing - namely, child
:16:50. > :16:55.pornography. Yes it is a fabulously good thing to be doing. If you need
:16:55. > :17:00.a reminder of why it is such a good thing to be doing, the there's a
:17:00. > :17:06.desk piece by India Knight in the Sunday Times, about the ease with
:17:06. > :17:14.which children get access to pornography. But this is also a
:17:14. > :17:19.question of the tech giants, the Googles, the Yahoo!s and Facebook
:17:19. > :17:22.Facebooks frantically trying to do what they can do get good PR after a
:17:22. > :17:26.disastrous week for them. They are almost more powerful than Government
:17:26. > :17:31.now. There is a story about the House of Commons and Hollywood which
:17:31. > :17:37.makes us think we are becoming just a film set. There is in the Mail on
:17:37. > :17:41.Sunday and a few of the papers if you have �10,000 a day you can hire
:17:41. > :17:48.the House of Commons chamber for your film. They suggest you could
:17:48. > :17:54.have Miliband of Brothers or Big Ben Hurr. The building needs �10 million
:17:54. > :17:58.spent on it, because parents very old and it is full of asbestos O
:17:58. > :18:02.whether it is a good place to film or not, I don't know. We've seen
:18:02. > :18:07.things inside but they've been elsewhere, is that right? You can
:18:07. > :18:12.film in Central Lobby. We see that in the news, but there is a mock
:18:13. > :18:17.House of Commons chamber which a lot of TV companies use, and Manchester
:18:18. > :18:22.Town Hall doubles with its gothic corridors for the House of Commons.
:18:22. > :18:26.Westminster's gain could be Manchester's loss. Gillian, have you
:18:27. > :18:31.got festivals? Last piece very much on everyone's mind - the weather.
:18:31. > :18:34.This week the Isle of Wight managed to have a passable festival, so
:18:34. > :18:38.congratulations to all of you watching from the Isle of Wight this
:18:38. > :18:42.weekend. Unfortunately Glastonbury is preparing for yet more wellies
:18:42. > :18:46.and rain and mud. One thing I would like to say, although we prove to
:18:46. > :18:50.moan about the weather and the wellies at festivals, the fact that
:18:50. > :18:54.Britain does have such a thriving festival scene is something to
:18:54. > :18:57.celebrate, because it is a terrific form of communal activity and if
:18:58. > :19:03.nothing else it gives us a sense of something to talk about. I've never
:19:03. > :19:08.been attracted by the idea of spending �250 to sleep in a tent and
:19:08. > :19:17.queue for a portable toilet in the rain. It is a very uniquely British
:19:17. > :19:21.tradition. So is Morris dancing!It brings us together. I saw the rain
:19:21. > :19:25.today and I thought Glastonbury. Shall we do royal happiness before
:19:26. > :19:34.we let you go? Sunday Times, the Royals are going to cash in on that
:19:34. > :19:38.baby. You will be able to pay �12. 95 for a Guardsman's baby gro in the
:19:38. > :19:42.Palace shops. It seems the Middletons' parents, they run their
:19:42. > :19:48.party business, will be offering balloons and so on O everyone els
:19:48. > :19:53.will be cashing in. One retail analyst expects the market to be
:19:53. > :19:56.worth about �100 million. If it is going to be raining this summer, at
:19:56. > :20:00.least we have something to celebrate. I hope they pay tax on
:20:00. > :20:05.it. Summer starts this week. You wouldn't really think so from the
:20:05. > :20:09.weather. Any hope of things picking up? Let's find out from Ben Rich in
:20:09. > :20:13.the weather studio. Thank you. Things not looking too bad for many
:20:13. > :20:17.of us today, compared with yesterday when we were dodging pretty heavy
:20:17. > :20:21.downpours, today the downpours should be easier to dodge. Still a
:20:21. > :20:24.scattering of showers but good sunny spells in most places as well.
:20:24. > :20:28.Particularly for central and northern areas. The one exception is
:20:28. > :20:30.in the South West, where we have increasing cloud and rain moving
:20:30. > :20:33.northwards. A This afternoon a scattering of
:20:33. > :20:38.showers for Northern Ireland and Scotland. Some in the north of
:20:38. > :20:41.Scotland could be heavy. Sunny spells in between. One or two
:20:41. > :20:45.showers for northern England. Plenty of bright weather here. Rain
:20:45. > :20:50.expected in the south-west of Wales. South-west England, wet weather at
:20:50. > :20:54.times throughout the day. Wet for Cornwall, breezy and cool here. The
:20:54. > :20:58.Midlands and East Anglia fairly bright.th south a lot of cloud and
:20:58. > :21:01.potentially patchy rain. Don't be surprised if patchy rain turns up at
:21:01. > :21:06.the Queen's Club this afternoon. There'll be a lot of dry weather for
:21:06. > :21:09.the tennis. This evening and tonight the rain in the South West tries to
:21:09. > :21:13.push north. It doesn't make much progress into Northern Ireland and
:21:13. > :21:18.north-west England. Further east, drier conditions. Tomorrow, a decent
:21:19. > :21:28.day for most. A scattering of showers in the north. But overall
:21:29. > :21:31.
:21:32. > :21:35.the next couple of days aren't After three years in opposition,
:21:36. > :21:39.Labour is beginning to give us more of a sense of how it would govern if
:21:39. > :21:42.it wins the election in 2015. Last week we had Ed Balls promising iron
:21:42. > :21:44.discipline on public spending, and Ed Miliband talking about a cap on
:21:45. > :21:48.welfare, although the party's critics say its plans are still
:21:48. > :21:50.short on detail. Well, I'm joined now by a key member of the Labour
:21:50. > :21:53.economics team, the Shadow Business Secretary, Chuka Umunna. Welcome.
:21:53. > :21:56.Good morning Jeremy. Let's start on tax. You've told Google that what
:21:56. > :22:02.you are doing is wrong. Is that as far as you can go? There is a lot
:22:02. > :22:05.more you can do. We have to be clear why it is important to clamp down on
:22:05. > :22:09.tax avoidance and evasion. These companies rely on public services,
:22:09. > :22:12.like everybody else. They rely on having a decent infrastructure in
:22:12. > :22:17.place. We need to fund that. I also think that businesses are citizens
:22:17. > :22:21.in some respects. We have a mutually dependent relationship. Businesses
:22:21. > :22:25.rely on us to fried custom, and the skills through the workforce. We
:22:25. > :22:29.rely on them to provide jobs and to play their part as well. If one side
:22:29. > :22:33.of the can, if you like, doesn't play its part, the system falls
:22:33. > :22:37.apart. So you believe Governments need to force them to pay the tax
:22:37. > :22:41.you think is due, is that right? Yes. The G8 are on to this now,
:22:42. > :22:45.so... I don't think there is any disagreement on the principle. For
:22:45. > :22:49.once it is night to take some of which the politics out of it. The
:22:49. > :22:54.question is, how do you do that? There are a number of things we need
:22:54. > :22:58.to see the G8 address, which the Government haven't addressed. How
:22:58. > :23:03.can we reach international agreement on tax where they transfer their
:23:03. > :23:06.profits between companies globally. Transfer pricing it is called. We
:23:06. > :23:11.need action on that and ensuring that we don't tend up with a race to
:23:11. > :23:14.the bottom on corporation tax, for example, where we are being played
:23:14. > :23:17.off by companies, different jurisdictions, to reduce the tax
:23:17. > :23:23.take generally. We want a competitive environment but if we
:23:23. > :23:28.don't have the revenue, how do we pay for all these things? How do you
:23:28. > :23:34.stop a country popping up, as Ireland did to Aspect until the
:23:34. > :23:42.1980s, come to us and pay 2% or 3%? It is by international agreement.
:23:42. > :23:48.You need to ensure that part of the agreement. At the April 2009 G 20 we
:23:48. > :23:55.got international agreement to make it clear if the tax haven
:23:55. > :24:02.jurisdictions didn't comply with rules on sharing information, it
:24:02. > :24:08.won't apply. In April 2009 it was made clear to the tax haifen as
:24:08. > :24:14.there would be action if they didn't share information on tax evasion,
:24:14. > :24:17.and they were brought to book. These are issues the G 20 has to address.
:24:17. > :24:21.One of the important things with the G8 ahead of us, the Prime Minister
:24:21. > :24:24.made an announcement yesterday in respect of what we are going to do
:24:24. > :24:29.to set an example and lead in this. He said the Government was seeking
:24:29. > :24:33.to establish a central registry of company ownership, so we know who
:24:33. > :24:39.own our companies. That would be maintained by Companies House. One
:24:39. > :24:41.of the big problems we have, Companies House, the best way to
:24:42. > :24:45.describe is is where all our companies file information about
:24:45. > :24:49.themselves, but the problem at the moment is that the filing Cabinet is
:24:49. > :24:53.broken. Companies already have an obligation to disclose the number of
:24:54. > :24:57.foreign subsidiaries they have abroad but Companies House isn't
:24:57. > :25:01.properly enforcing the rules to make sure they disclose those companies.
:25:01. > :25:05.Last year nine of which the biggest companies in the country failed to
:25:05. > :25:09.disclose thousands of offshore and foreign subsidiaries and Companies
:25:09. > :25:13.House didn't take any action about that until they were prompted to do
:25:13. > :25:17.so. That's local isn't it? You've talked international. That's about
:25:17. > :25:20.getting the HMRC to chase these people down. Actually it is
:25:20. > :25:26.international in the sense that we are talking about foreign companies.
:25:26. > :25:29.It is not just HMRC. It works alongside Companies House to tackle
:25:29. > :25:34.these issues. Companies House helps ensure that the companies disclose
:25:34. > :25:38.the information that enables HMRC to act. That's why today I've written
:25:38. > :25:42.to the Government to find out exactly what they are going to do to
:25:42. > :25:45.ensure that Companies House can do that job properly. In respect of the
:25:45. > :25:49.existing rules and transparency measures there are, Companies House
:25:49. > :25:53.isn't enforcing them properly. It is no good the Prime Minister making
:25:53. > :25:58.announcements about a new registry, if you are not enforcing the current
:25:58. > :26:03.regime, what hope for the future? Google paid 0. 1% tax in the last
:26:03. > :26:07.five years. A lot of that was under your party's administration. That
:26:07. > :26:10.money is gone, you are never going to get it back are you? We did a lot
:26:10. > :26:14.of good things in clamping down on tax avoidance. The National Audit
:26:14. > :26:21.Office brought out a report showing that the disclosure rules we
:26:21. > :26:24.introduced led to �12 billion extra revenue coming into the Exchequer.
:26:24. > :26:29.But of course we can all do more. Part of the challenge of this,
:26:29. > :26:33.Jeremy, is it is a little like running up a down escalator, you are
:26:33. > :26:38.always seeking to get ahead and that is difficult. We were promised that
:26:38. > :26:41.Ed Miliband had a plan to rebuild capitalism. We are still waiting for
:26:42. > :26:45.that one aren't we? Well, I don't agree with your interpretation of
:26:45. > :26:50.still waiting for that. What have you announced that you are taking
:26:50. > :26:57.the winter fuel announce from the richest pensioners, that's about it
:26:57. > :27:01.it. You've got the short and the the long term. I don't think that we do
:27:01. > :27:06.great service to the country if we reduce down economic debate purely
:27:06. > :27:12.to what you tax and spend. The challenge for us out of the 2008-09
:27:12. > :27:17.crash is how do we rebuild a different model of capitalism in our
:27:18. > :27:25.country. You can't even answer the simple question, do you need to
:27:25. > :27:31.borrow more for your growth plan. Yes we can. We've been quite clear
:27:31. > :27:35.it would involve shrm borrowing of around 12 billion. The reason we are
:27:35. > :27:38.advocating it is we would get more growth and more tax returns in the
:27:38. > :27:41.future. So to be clear, you will be borrowing more than the Government
:27:41. > :27:48.at the moment is borrowing when you get into power? Ed Miliband was
:27:48. > :27:55.asked about this on the World at One a few weeks ago and it took ages to
:27:55. > :27:58.get an answer out of him. I've gave you an answer. The IMF said we
:27:58. > :28:03.should bring forward �10 billion worth of infrastructure investment.
:28:03. > :28:07.If you spend on infrastructure it has a multiplier effect in terms of
:28:07. > :28:12.the growth that you deliver in the future. The real debate will be at
:28:12. > :28:16.the general election who is best placed to shape future growth and
:28:16. > :28:19.who can build a different model? That means doing the things we've
:28:19. > :28:24.been arguing for, for example establishing a British investment
:28:24. > :28:30.bank alongside a network of regional banks to get money to our small
:28:30. > :28:35.businesses, which are struggling at the moment. Reform our skills system
:28:35. > :28:38.so we don't just focus on people going to university, but get people
:28:38. > :28:43.with engineering and technical skills. There is a lot of good stuff
:28:43. > :28:49.in British business. We saw the fantastic news on Friday of the
:28:49. > :28:54.successful flight of the Airbus A 350, its engines built by
:28:54. > :28:58.Rolls-Royce and the wings built in Wales. A we can do it. But we need
:28:58. > :29:02.to work in partnership. I hate to interrupt you but there was a story
:29:02. > :29:08.yesterday looking at which shadow cabinet members have most
:29:08. > :29:11.assiduously courted the grass roots of Labour. I know it is the rubber
:29:11. > :29:15.chicken circuit as we used to call ate. The answer is you and Ed ball
:29:15. > :29:20.being. There is only one reason politicians go on the rubber chicken
:29:20. > :29:24.circuit and it is because they want to become leader one at a. Jeremy, I
:29:24. > :29:30.make no apologies for going around the country. Ed Balls and I have
:29:30. > :29:34.become a double act. I was in Leeds with him last months. And Michael
:29:34. > :29:38.Heseltine used to do it. disrespect to yourself but the
:29:38. > :29:42.political debate is dominated by you and I here in London. We need to get
:29:42. > :29:47.out and open the debate to people in the country. The reason I get out so
:29:47. > :29:52.much is because I want to meet businesses the. I went to Derby to
:29:52. > :29:55.see Rolls-Royce and others, but I do fund raise and so does Ed for our
:29:55. > :29:59.candidates, particularly for the marginal seats we need to win. It is
:29:59. > :30:03.no fun to be in the shadows. If we are to deliver for our business
:30:03. > :30:13.community we need the get in power and win back the seats. Chuka
:30:13. > :30:16.
:30:16. > :30:19.By his own admission, Daniel Radcliffe has sought to break free
:30:19. > :30:22.from Harry Potter and establish himself as the kind of actor who
:30:22. > :30:25.takes on diverse and challenging roles. Playing a deeply disturbed
:30:25. > :30:29.young man in Equus several years ago, he proved that the child star
:30:29. > :30:32.had evolved into a stage presence. He is back in London's West End in
:30:32. > :30:37.an equally intense play, a black comedy that is very funny but very
:30:37. > :30:40.dark. The Cripple of Inishmaan is a modern classic. And of all the
:30:40. > :30:50.plays a megastar like Radcliffe could have chosen, this one is far
:30:50. > :30:50.
:30:50. > :30:58.from an easy choice. They did not drown themselves. They only fell
:30:58. > :31:04.overboard in rhapsodies. What were they doing in rough seas? -- rough
:31:04. > :31:14.seas. They were trying to get away from you. How would you know when
:31:14. > :31:14.
:31:14. > :31:22.you were just a baby at the time? Johnny told me. What does he know
:31:22. > :31:26.was in their heads that night? Didn't they have a sackful of
:31:26. > :31:29.stones tied between themselves? When I met Daniel Radcliffe
:31:29. > :31:35.backstage, he began by telling me why the black humour in Martin
:31:35. > :31:41.McDonagh's play appealed to him. is very funny. People have been
:31:41. > :31:46.laughing constantly throughout. At the same time, it is very brutal.
:31:46. > :31:51.The characters are very cruel to each other. That is part of what
:31:51. > :31:57.makes it so funny. Some of the last we're getting our... You can hear
:31:57. > :32:03.people laughing and drinking, but I should not be laughing at that.
:32:03. > :32:10.essential character it is you. play Billy, who is to use the words
:32:10. > :32:16.of the play, crippled. He is described as having one bad arm and
:32:16. > :32:22.one bad leg. Billy is somebody who, partly because of his condition,
:32:22. > :32:27.has bute himself to spend the rest of his life on this island. --
:32:27. > :32:35.viewed himself. A film crew arrived on a neighbouring island and the
:32:35. > :32:42.news of this gets to him and he thinks, that is my ticket out of
:32:42. > :32:46.here. He thinks Hollywood is a world where it will be accepted. He
:32:46. > :32:52.sees America as a land of equal opportunity. It has that place in
:32:52. > :32:57.his mind. He views that absolutely as his ticket out of there. He
:32:57. > :33:02.spends his time between hope and despair - they are the two pulse he
:33:02. > :33:07.has been flung between all the time. The character challenges on a
:33:07. > :33:12.number of fronts. You have to be severely disabled throughout the
:33:12. > :33:17.play it and you have this accent to do. A couple of times, you are
:33:17. > :33:27.falling over. It is not the easiest part. There are physical challenges
:33:27. > :33:28.
:33:28. > :33:35.and stuff like that. Climbing the wall took a few goes. You fell
:33:35. > :33:41.behind a boat. I thought you had hurt yourself for a second. Good! I
:33:41. > :33:45.am as in control of falling as you can be. Those are the challenges
:33:45. > :33:50.that are very important. Superficial things like the accent
:33:50. > :33:56.have to be got right. I think it is a really fun accent. I have grown
:33:56. > :34:04.to like it. It was an nightmare at first. It is not just an Irish
:34:04. > :34:09.accent? No, it is a very specific West Coast accent. I had lessons
:34:09. > :34:15.and listened to people online. It is now in a fairly good place.
:34:15. > :34:20.you choosing roles as far as you can from Harry Potter? Yes, I
:34:20. > :34:25.suppose so. Also, it is not just about choosing roles that were
:34:25. > :34:29.different. After this, it will be about choosing roles different from
:34:29. > :34:34.crippled Billy. It is not about repeating yourself. Having played
:34:34. > :34:39.the same character for 10 years, the wealth of characters I am now
:34:39. > :34:46.having the opportunity to plate or reading scripts about, it is really
:34:46. > :34:51.exciting. I just want to grab as much of it as I can. You could
:34:51. > :34:56.build in mansion in Cape Town and sit and watch the sea. It is a very
:34:56. > :35:01.interesting thing - money. It makes you very comfortable and makes
:35:01. > :35:05.certain things in life very easy any do not have to worry about them.
:35:05. > :35:10.The idea of sitting around and doing nothing by a beach is insane
:35:10. > :35:16.to me. People always talk about the money, never the fact that I have
:35:16. > :35:22.been working every day since I was nine or 10. I do not know anything
:35:22. > :35:27.but constant work. Also Emma Watson and Rupert grinned. You all seem to
:35:27. > :35:32.have come out of it undamaged. You might want to disagree with me. If
:35:32. > :35:38.we look back at Shirley Temple and Mickey Rooney, the lies they had
:35:38. > :35:43.after that sudden flare of stardom. They never really recovered.
:35:43. > :35:50.some people, that is their story. It is too simplistic to say being a
:35:50. > :35:55.child actor condemns you to that. Who are your parents? How are they
:35:55. > :36:00.treating you? Who is looking after your money? Do you have just where
:36:00. > :36:08.the people around you? Are people going to give you an inflated idea
:36:08. > :36:14.of yourself at a young age? I had a good group of people around me.
:36:14. > :36:18.Last night when I was watching, you took your bow and there was
:36:18. > :36:25.screaming in the upper circle. I felt sorry for you. You do not
:36:25. > :36:33.really want that now, do you? fine. Hysteria is blind. It is
:36:33. > :36:41.always welcome. -- fine. People might come to the show because they
:36:41. > :36:46.want to see Harry Potter in something but they are watching the
:36:46. > :36:52.play. They will forget about my past work. It is a great play. The
:36:52. > :36:59.only time I have been truly embarrassed on stage - and now
:36:59. > :37:06.somebody will probably come to do it - on the night that JK Rowling
:37:06. > :37:13.sort Equus, someone threw a fake owl on stage. It had to be on the
:37:13. > :37:18.one night that she came that somebody did that. It is great. I
:37:18. > :37:27.do have this ban base from Harry Potter. So far at least they have
:37:27. > :37:32.followed me to Equus and the woman in back and hopefully this. If you
:37:32. > :37:39.credit people with intelligence and make challenging and interesting
:37:39. > :37:46.work, they all want to be a part of it. If JK Rowling comes to the
:37:46. > :37:54.Premier and says, I have got one Morse script, we'd do it? I find
:37:54. > :37:59.that highly unlikely. -- would you do it? If it came from her, I would
:37:59. > :38:08.have to consider it. I would definitely take a lot of talking
:38:08. > :38:12.round. It will have been a long time of having worked to establish
:38:12. > :38:17.myself outside of the franchise. I definitely need a lot of talking
:38:17. > :38:21.round on that one. Thank you. Daniel Radcliffe, shaking off Harry
:38:21. > :38:27.Potter pretty convincingly there. Now it is the UK's turn to host the
:38:27. > :38:29.G8 - the annual gathering of the world's richest nations. Their
:38:29. > :38:32.leaders will be descending on Northern Ireland tomorrow. Russia's
:38:32. > :38:35.President Putin is coming in early for talks about Syria - the most
:38:35. > :38:38.pressing international issue of the moment. But there is much else on
:38:39. > :38:46.the summit agenda. I'm joined now by the Deputy Prime Minister, Nick
:38:46. > :38:50.Clegg. Good morning. Let's start with Syria. Americans arming the
:38:50. > :38:57.opposition and Vladimir Putin coming in to tell you he is going
:38:57. > :39:04.to go one farming Assad. It is looking very dangerous. -- go on
:39:04. > :39:09.arming Assad. We see this horror unfolding on our television screens.
:39:09. > :39:13.93,000 people killed, 6 million driven from their homes. We want to
:39:13. > :39:20.do things when things are going wrong around the world. We do not
:39:20. > :39:24.want to get embroiled in a military conflict. That is not what people
:39:24. > :39:30.want. We are trying to strike the right balance. A lot of the debate
:39:30. > :39:35.has presented a false choice. We either stand on the sidelines and
:39:35. > :39:40.helplessly watched the slaughter unfold, doing nothing, or we get
:39:40. > :39:44.completely dragged into a military conflict, which we cannot sort out.
:39:44. > :39:50.The Americans have struck a balance of some kind. You can strike a
:39:50. > :39:56.balance. They are already providing none lethal persistence. We are
:39:56. > :40:00.providing body armour, water purification units, communications
:40:00. > :40:05.equipment. That is what we are already pursuing. Of course we need
:40:05. > :40:08.to try and help the moderate opposition who have already
:40:08. > :40:13.recognised as the legitimate opponents and the people who we
:40:13. > :40:21.hope will be in a position to forge the future of Syria. We cannot do
:40:21. > :40:25.that on our own. In the end, there is no unilateral British solution,
:40:25. > :40:31.no military solution either. You need moderate forces on both sides
:40:31. > :40:34.coming together. The Americans have looked at the facts on the ground
:40:34. > :40:38.and I have come to a slightly different conclusion, which is that
:40:38. > :40:45.they're going to send arms to the opposition. Are you thinking that
:40:45. > :40:53.is what Britain will have to do as well? We do not need to fall to the
:40:53. > :40:58.identical thing. You do not want to? -- off to the identical thing.
:40:58. > :41:03.What they are trying to do is provide support for people we have
:41:03. > :41:10.already recognised as the legitimate successors of the Assad
:41:10. > :41:14.regime. This is lethal assistance, isn't it? We are providing none of
:41:14. > :41:22.lethal assistance. We do not think Lisa assistance is the right thing
:41:22. > :41:26.to do. What we are doing is providing significant amounts of
:41:26. > :41:33.this persistence which is a great deal of help to them. That is what
:41:33. > :41:39.we are pursuing at the moment. be absolutely clear, you do not
:41:39. > :41:44.believe that Britain should do what America is doing? At the moment, we
:41:44. > :41:52.are not providing arms. If we wanted to, we would do it.
:41:52. > :41:56.Government does not work like that, does it? The Prime Minister and I
:41:56. > :42:00.are trying to strike the right balance in playing a part with the
:42:00. > :42:06.Allies in support of the opposition, who we think deserves support so
:42:06. > :42:10.they can play a role in forging a new Syria but not in boiling the
:42:10. > :42:20.country in a military conflict which is not acceptable to the
:42:20. > :42:21.
:42:21. > :42:28.British people. -- embroiling the So, if there were a vote, you would
:42:28. > :42:33.vote no? You decide if it is right or wrong and then you put it to a
:42:33. > :42:38.debate in the House of Commons. In a sense it is an academic debate
:42:38. > :42:42.because we have not taken that decision. It is a hypothetical
:42:42. > :42:48.question. The vote will not take place. We're comparing notes with
:42:49. > :42:57.the Americans and others and pursuing his strategy of providing
:42:57. > :43:01.non lethal support. David Cameron has echoes of Libya. He is maybe
:43:01. > :43:06.thinking going with the Americans is the right thing. You are
:43:06. > :43:12.thinking about Iraq and wars that have been vindicated. You are not
:43:13. > :43:20.going in the same direction. This is not like Iraq at will. It is
:43:20. > :43:24.significantly different to Libya as well. It is a civil war being
:43:24. > :43:29.prosecuted by a brutal dictator in the form of Assad. The idea we
:43:29. > :43:34.could provide a unilateral British military solution to this is bands
:43:34. > :43:43.of will. We need to work with other allies to try to shape events where
:43:44. > :43:48.best we can. -- is fanciable. It is a very difficult balance to strike.
:43:49. > :43:53.We do not want, of course we do not, want to ask the British people to
:43:53. > :43:59.send troops, if you like, and become embroiled in a military
:43:59. > :44:04.conflict which is not ours to sort. My last question is exactly on that
:44:04. > :44:10.point. There are British Marines in Jordan and the papers are getting
:44:10. > :44:14.excited. We are very open. We provide training, assistants and
:44:14. > :44:19.communications equipment, which is very important in the military
:44:19. > :44:25.operation of the opposition. We're not providing lethal equipment.
:44:25. > :44:31.There is no prospect of us sending troops on to the ground in Syria.
:44:31. > :44:36.Beth we ask you about tax avoidance and the G8. Google has paid minimal
:44:36. > :44:41.tax in the last five years. Politicians huff and puff but
:44:41. > :44:47.cannot really do anything about this, can they? The debate is
:44:47. > :44:51.changing dramatically. Can you sort everything overnight? Of course not.
:44:51. > :44:55.We are having to haul tax regimes which would probably last assigned
:44:55. > :45:01.when the Liberals were last in government. Before the internet and
:45:01. > :45:09.globalisation took root. They are having to call those tax regimes
:45:09. > :45:13.into the 21st century. There will be a conference of -- there was a
:45:13. > :45:17.conference yesterday with many prime ministers and presidents from
:45:17. > :45:23.African countries. We need to make sure we get a proper exchange
:45:23. > :45:28.between tax regimes. I was speaking to African leaders who are saying
:45:28. > :45:31.they do not really know what taxes are owed by the companies
:45:31. > :45:37.exploiting natural resources because they cannot compare notes
:45:38. > :45:45.with any other tax jurisdiction. We can do a lot about that. We are
:45:45. > :45:50.making good progress. We also need to make sure that companies declare
:45:50. > :46:00.they are making profits in places they are not for making profits in
:46:00. > :46:06.
:46:06. > :46:11.places they are. We're doing that guys make the rules and we'll abide
:46:11. > :46:15.by the rules. I said yes, there are rules but there's also public
:46:15. > :46:19.sentiment, which is important not least for the customers of Google,
:46:19. > :46:22.who want to see people playing by the rules yes, but playing fairly
:46:22. > :46:28.and providing the taxes that are due in those areas where they operate
:46:28. > :46:33.and make significant profits. should point out the MPs who looked
:46:33. > :46:42.at this think they are not even playing by the rules, as they think
:46:42. > :46:45.profits being made clear are declared elsewhere. There is a
:46:45. > :46:50.distinction between tax avoidance which is illegal. Is it in the
:46:50. > :46:55.spirit of the law? That's why we've passed something call called the
:46:55. > :47:00.general anti-abuse rule, which says we can't just abide by the crossed T
:47:00. > :47:03.and the dotted I of the law, but abide by the spirit of Old Trafford.
:47:03. > :47:12.This debate about evasion and aggressive tax avoidance, it is
:47:12. > :47:17.behaviour that's not victimless. I speak to these leaders and tax that
:47:17. > :47:21.is not paid in their jurisdictions means fewer girls going to school
:47:22. > :47:26.and lives being blighted and lost. I think we are finally getting to
:47:26. > :47:32.grips with in. I want to raise the communication data bill with you,
:47:33. > :47:38.the aim is to snoop on terrorists. You saw it off. You are being
:47:38. > :47:43.attacked by form former Home Secretaries, who say you made a very
:47:43. > :47:47.bad call there. These are former Home Secretaries who brought us
:47:47. > :47:52.delights like control orders, which are unworkable and had to be
:47:52. > :47:57.replaced, or 90 days detention without charge. I think they know
:47:57. > :48:01.from their own experience about the dangers of taking knee-jerk and
:48:01. > :48:04.sometimes excessive decisions in the immediate aftermath of very
:48:04. > :48:08.distressing events. We have to do this in a balanced a proportionate
:48:08. > :48:12.way. There is more work we must do and we are doing as a Government.
:48:12. > :48:17.For instance there is this issue of how you match individual IP
:48:17. > :48:21.addresses to all these mobile appliances we've got at the moment.
:48:21. > :48:28.We will do that work. Of course we need to work Val material with the
:48:28. > :48:36.companies and -- voluntarily with the companies, so we have the data
:48:36. > :48:41.to go off the people who want to do us harm, but it it has to be
:48:41. > :48:46.balanced. And there's Edward snoweden, I assume he is a Lib Dem
:48:46. > :48:51.folk hero. I wonder why you stopped him flying to Britain. Bmpcts I'm
:48:51. > :48:56.not sure whether he is. What I think this quite rightly raises questions
:48:56. > :49:00.about is how do we in the United Kingdom, our Intelligence Agency as,
:49:00. > :49:05.how do we process information that's provided to us by the American
:49:06. > :49:10.intelligence services and others. Why can't he fly here? What has he
:49:10. > :49:14.done wrong? There are legal reasons why, as you know, the Americans feel
:49:14. > :49:18.they want to take action against him. That's their problem.The
:49:18. > :49:23.bigger issue of principle at stake, do we use information,
:49:23. > :49:27.communications data and the content in a way that's legal and is
:49:27. > :49:34.proportionate and is subject to proper checks and balance as. The
:49:34. > :49:37.answer is unambiguously that we do. But should we go further, for
:49:37. > :49:43.instance storing details of every website you've visited over the last
:49:43. > :49:49.year, and everybody watching this programme. I think that is
:49:49. > :49:53.disproportionate and unworkable, and that is why I was not prepared to go
:49:53. > :49:56.that far. And the other question is the winter fuel allowance for
:49:56. > :50:02.so-called rich pensioners. They are going to go on getting it under the
:50:02. > :50:05.coalition. That includes people who are living in Spain. Yes. Look, my
:50:05. > :50:10.views are well known on this. The I think the fact that we are asking
:50:10. > :50:14.people on low income tax to pie through their taxes to pay the fuel
:50:14. > :50:18.bills of people who don't need to heat their homes because they are
:50:18. > :50:22.living in sunny parts of Europe, and maybe didn't even work here before
:50:22. > :50:28.they retired, and work there. I think that lifts the lid on a wide
:50:28. > :50:32.ear problem in our welfare system. Yes we need welfare reform. We've
:50:32. > :50:36.already made, with my full support, significant changes to welfare, but
:50:36. > :50:41.if you are going to make further welfare savings, which I'm prepared
:50:41. > :50:47.to look at, you have to start at welfare to the wealthy, the benefits
:50:47. > :50:50.paid to the rich and retired. what's going on in the Government?
:50:50. > :50:57.You are Deputy Prime Minister Minister. We said in this Parliament
:50:57. > :51:01.for instance we won not change the winter fuel payments and TV licences
:51:01. > :51:04.had for... That was your promise. The Conservatives wanted that in the
:51:04. > :51:08.coalition agreement. That isn't going to happen. What we are now
:51:08. > :51:16.debating is what happens after May 2015, particularly that first
:51:16. > :51:21.financial year, a few weeks of which is prior to May 15, and most of it
:51:21. > :51:25.is after the election. If we are going to do further welfare reform,
:51:25. > :51:28.which we are likely to do, who ever is in power, you need to start
:51:28. > :51:32.having a debate about how we ask people at the very top the change
:51:32. > :51:36.the benefits that they receive. In other words we need to have a debate
:51:36. > :51:38.about welfare for the wealthy. That's being blocked because the
:51:38. > :51:44.Conservatives don't want that debate. That's why we can't move
:51:44. > :51:47.forward with the wider reforms are. Yes, reform welfare but it must be
:51:47. > :51:52.done fairly. You won't as a Government hit people at the bottom
:51:52. > :51:55.unless you see people being hit at the top as well, that right? I don't
:51:55. > :51:59.think on welfare you can have a debate about the welfare that's
:51:59. > :52:01.provided to people at the bottom if you are not at the same time
:52:01. > :52:06.prepared to have a debate about the welfare that's provided to the
:52:06. > :52:12.wealthy at the top. That isn't fair and that is why I will only proceed
:52:12. > :52:16.with further welfare reform if it is done fairly. Is it all well in the
:52:16. > :52:21.coalition family at the moment? Michael Gove was asked about
:52:21. > :52:29.childcare policy and why you decided to be against it. He said there is a
:52:29. > :52:36.campaign being led by Lord Oakeshott to try to destabilise Nick Clegg so
:52:36. > :52:40.Lord Oakeshott needs to succeed... Is that the kind of petty nonsense
:52:40. > :52:43.that is leading at the highest level? No, we are leading in a
:52:43. > :52:48.sensible and grown-up way. Michael Gove is not happy that I felt it was
:52:48. > :52:54.not justified to ask people who look after two-year-olded tolers, for one
:52:54. > :52:57.adult to look after six rather than four. But you agreed with it?No, we
:52:57. > :53:01.agreed we would ask people whether they thought this was a sensible
:53:01. > :53:04.thing to do. The answer came back loud and clear from nursery
:53:04. > :53:07.providers and parents that they didn't. I have a rather
:53:07. > :53:10.old-fashioned view that you should create Government policy based on
:53:10. > :53:14.the evidence. If you consult people about what they think, you should at
:53:14. > :53:19.least do the decent thing of listening to what they think and
:53:19. > :53:25.acting on what they think. It is a strong coalition actually. I think
:53:25. > :53:30.it is led in a strong way, where we are doing, taking difficult
:53:30. > :53:34.decisions to clear up the mess left by Labour. We will carry on knoll
:53:34. > :53:38.May 2015, but it is a coalition. That means you will have differences
:53:38. > :53:41.of opinion between the political parties. No-one should be surprised
:53:42. > :53:44.that a coalition does what it says on the tin, to govern together in
:53:44. > :53:48.the national interest but at the same time keep the identities of the
:53:48. > :53:52.two parties separate as well. you very much indeed Deputy Prime
:53:52. > :53:58.Minister Nick Clegg. Now over to Naga for the news
:53:58. > :54:03.headlines. The Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg has told this programme
:54:03. > :54:11.it wouldn't be right at the moment to provide lethal military equipment
:54:11. > :54:14.to the Syrian rebels. Mr Clegg said the British Government had taken no
:54:14. > :54:17.such decision yet. Russia's President, Vladamir Putin,
:54:17. > :54:20.will be in Downing Street later today for talks. Russia is opposed
:54:20. > :54:22.to any foreign military intervention in Syria, but he's expected to agree
:54:22. > :54:25.on the need for political reform in the country.
:54:25. > :54:28.A 32-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder,
:54:28. > :54:31.after four men, including a police officer, were stabbed at a mosque in
:54:31. > :54:35.Birmingham. The incident took place in Ward End at around 11.00pm
:54:35. > :54:39.yesterday. All four victims have been taken to hospital, where they
:54:40. > :54:43.are described as stable. That's all from me for now. The next
:54:43. > :54:50.news on BBC One is at midday. Back to Jeremy and guests in a moment,
:54:50. > :54:54.but first a look at what's coming up after this show. Join us at 10 from
:54:54. > :54:58.Warrington, when we'll be asking one big question: Are the young being
:54:58. > :55:02.expected to pay too much for the baby-boomers? We've got students,
:55:02. > :55:10.doctors, economists, care workers, campaigners ready to do battle
:55:10. > :55:14.across the generations. See you at 10. 00am on BBC One.
:55:14. > :55:17.You may not be aware but today marks the start of Refugee Week would. It
:55:17. > :55:20.is a national event supported by the UN, the Red Cross and many other
:55:20. > :55:26.organisations drawing attention to the plight of refugees around the
:55:26. > :55:30.world. Including of course millions of Syrians, who fled their homeland
:55:30. > :55:33.because of the civil war there. A number of artists and performers are
:55:33. > :55:40.gathering to launch Refugee Week this afternoon and I'm joined by
:55:40. > :55:45.three of them, the Zimbabwean musicians Kenny and Lucky Moyo and
:55:45. > :55:49.folk singer is Sam Carter. Welcome all. Great to see you. We should
:55:49. > :55:55.mention in this Nelson Mandela, who I know you have performed for,
:55:55. > :56:00.lucky? Yes.Tell us about that we've performed for him twice. We
:56:00. > :56:06.performed for him when he came to Zimbabwe, on I think his first state
:56:06. > :56:11.visit after coming off prison, which was really nice and such a
:56:11. > :56:16.privilege. I remember him coming out to thank us for singing to him,
:56:16. > :56:21.which was interesting. What has been your involvement in Refugee Week? I
:56:21. > :56:26.know it is personal for you isn't it? It is, because I've lived as a
:56:26. > :56:34.refugee for five years in Zambia. That was during the struggle for
:56:34. > :56:38.Zimbabwe. Maybe we would go for, say, one meal in two days. That
:56:38. > :56:46.really strengthened me and made me the Lucky that I am today. Sam, is
:56:46. > :56:51.this going to be a passion for you as well? A passion for me? Well, it
:56:51. > :56:56.is something that I really enjoy taking part in. I heard Lucky's
:56:56. > :56:59.music in and was pleased to be asked to be involved. It was great to hear
:56:59. > :57:02.his story. That's almost it for today - thanks
:57:02. > :57:05.to all my guests. Do join Sophie Raworth at the usual time next
:57:05. > :57:07.Sunday. She'll be talking to the Shadow Chancellor, Ed Balls, just
:57:07. > :57:10.ahead of the all-important Government Spending Review. And the
:57:10. > :57:13.actress Kim Cattrall, the siren Samantha from Sex And The City, will
:57:14. > :57:17.be here too, talking about her latest stage role. But for now, we
:57:17. > :57:27.leave you with Lucky Moyo, Kenny Moyo and Sam Carter, and their song,
:57:27. > :57:32.
:57:32. > :57:38.# It's been three years now # That war drove me away
:57:38. > :57:48.# I have not been home since that fateful day
:57:48. > :57:57.
:57:57. > :58:00.# But I keep hope hoping in mind # One day I'll be back with my
:58:00. > :58:10.family # Home, home, home
:58:10. > :58:29.
:58:29. > :58:39.# A sense of community # My childhood dream dreams
:58:39. > :58:40.
:58:40. > :58:46.There is a place called home # There is a thing called called