:01:43. > :01:48.Education Secretary, Stephen Twigg. What is Labour 's big plan for
:01:48. > :01:51.schools and teaching, and how do those differ from what Michael Gove
:01:51. > :01:56.is doing? I would also talk to aim edition who was speaking live smack
:01:56. > :02:05.receiving rough until his life was turned around by the companionship
:02:05. > :02:13.of a cat. -- I will also talk to a musician who was sleeping rough. And
:02:13. > :02:23.having earned his acting spurs with a memorable fellow -- Othello, Lenny
:02:23. > :02:25.
:02:25. > :02:28.I will speak to him later about a modern American classic and what it
:02:28. > :02:33.has to say about race, fatherhood and love. All that and more coming
:02:33. > :02:38.up. First, the news with Naga Munchetty.
:02:38. > :02:42.Large protests across Egypt will today call for the resignation of
:02:42. > :02:47.President Mohamed Morsi on the first anniversary of his election. His
:02:47. > :02:50.opponents accuse him of failing to tackle the country 's security
:02:50. > :02:57.problems. Tensions have been higher ahead of the demonstrations, with at
:02:57. > :03:00.least three evil dying on Friday. -- three people. It will be cheaper
:03:00. > :03:06.to use mobile phones in Europe tomorrow as operators are forced --
:03:06. > :03:10.forced to bring roaming charges down. The EU is lowering prices in
:03:10. > :03:13.an effort to reduce charges for those using mobile phones outside
:03:13. > :03:22.their home country. The cost of making and receiving calls will also
:03:22. > :03:27.come down. Using a mobile phone abroad can be a risky business. If
:03:27. > :03:30.you surf the Internet while you are away, you could get a nasty shock
:03:30. > :03:38.when you open your bill. Roaming charges can be eye watering but
:03:39. > :03:43.perhaps for not much longer. The European Union has been steadily
:03:44. > :03:49.reducing charges and on Monday the prices will be coming down again.
:03:49. > :03:54.Data charges will be falling by roughly a third to just over 38p per
:03:54. > :03:58.megabyte. The cost of making calls is also going down, and incoming
:03:58. > :04:02.calls, which are already much cheaper, will become once again.
:04:02. > :04:06.Travellers should still be wary though, this only applies in the
:04:06. > :04:10.European Union so if you take a holiday in Switzerland or Turkey,
:04:10. > :04:15.you could still be paying hefty fees, but if you are planning a trip
:04:16. > :04:20.to Croatia the news is much better. The country joins the EU on Monday
:04:20. > :04:27.meaning roaming charges will be slashed overnight to a 10th of their
:04:27. > :04:29.current level. The Prime Minister is in Pakistan,
:04:29. > :04:32.as he continues efforts to start a peace process in neighbouring
:04:32. > :04:34.Afghanistan. He held talks with President Zardari yesterday and is
:04:34. > :04:37.currently meeting newly elected Prime Minister Narwaz Sharif. Mr
:04:37. > :04:42.Cameron has urged the Taliban to engage in the political process, but
:04:42. > :04:45.says they must be willing to give up their weapons.
:04:45. > :04:53.The United States is facing new spying allegations. It's being
:04:53. > :04:56.accused of bugging the European Union's offices in Washington. The
:04:56. > :04:59.German news magazine Der Spiegel says it's seen a document from the
:04:59. > :05:02.American National Security Agency that refers to the EU as a target.
:05:02. > :05:07.It claims to have been shown the files by the former intelligence
:05:07. > :05:17.analyst Edward Snowden. The head of the European Parliament has demanded
:05:17. > :05:17.
:05:18. > :05:20.full clarification about the claims. The death of an elderly man in Las
:05:20. > :05:23.Vegas is believed to have been connected to the intense heat wave
:05:23. > :05:26.that's affecting south western parts of the United States. Highs of 54
:05:26. > :05:29.degrees Celsius are forecast for Death Valley in California, just
:05:29. > :05:31.three degrees lower than the hottest temperature ever recorded. There are
:05:31. > :05:37.fears of wildfires and increased pressure on energy supplies with the
:05:37. > :05:40.conditions expected to last for several more days.
:05:40. > :05:46.That's all from me, for now. I'll be back with the headlines just before
:05:46. > :05:54.ten o'clock. Back to you, Jeremy. Let's have a look at the front
:05:54. > :06:04.pages, and you can see on the Sunday Times an interesting story about a
:06:04. > :06:05.
:06:05. > :06:11.kidnapped wife. In the Observer, there is Prince Charles being
:06:11. > :06:15.accused of something. Rent rip-off. The Independent has the Stones, I'm
:06:16. > :06:25.sure we will be talking about them, they played last night Glastonbury.
:06:25. > :06:32.An interesting interview with this teacher in the Sun. Let attacked in
:06:32. > :06:42.the mail. The Sunday people has allegations about Michael Jackson,
:06:42. > :06:42.
:06:43. > :06:52.and the Sunday Telegraph has a story saying A&E is grinding to a halt. I
:06:53. > :06:54.
:06:54. > :07:04.know your thoughts are with South Africa.
:07:04. > :07:06.
:07:06. > :07:16.And with me to review the papers are Sarah Baxter and Sue MacGregor.
:07:16. > :07:19.
:07:19. > :07:26.president is going to meet Nelson Mandela, and there is an interesting
:07:26. > :07:36.interview with his second wife, Winnie Mandela. There is this
:07:36. > :07:36.
:07:36. > :07:40.picture of the president meeting here. What interested me
:07:40. > :07:50.particularly is the final column on the page, this power shift a
:07:50. > :07:53.
:07:53. > :07:57.daughter as the family argues over the burial. What is this argument
:07:57. > :08:01.about the burial? I think he will be buried in the village he was born
:08:01. > :08:07.and that is according to tribal custom but it is unusual for a woman
:08:07. > :08:12.to be the head of the family in his culture, but his oldest daughter by
:08:12. > :08:16.his first wife is now going to take over the reins, one gathers, but
:08:16. > :08:22.maybe others will not agree with that. There is an interesting
:08:22. > :08:25.interview with Winnie Mandela in the Mail on Sunday which interested me
:08:25. > :08:30.because I was lucky enough to get an interview with her when she was
:08:30. > :08:39.banned on living in Soweto. We got it by subterfuge. She is an
:08:40. > :08:46.extraordinary woman and she is still very much around. My vigil for
:08:46. > :08:53.Nelson, the man I still love - I'm sure that is true. She doesn't often
:08:53. > :08:58.give interviews so I think this is fascinating. She and his present
:08:58. > :09:02.wife are still good friends but what interested me is that one of their
:09:03. > :09:06.daughters has been telling the Mail on Sunday that she recalls her
:09:06. > :09:12.father in the aftermath of his release is a possessive man who
:09:12. > :09:20.loved her young children but treated her as if "I was still in pigtails
:09:20. > :09:27.and bobby socks". He persuaded her to stop breast-feeding him so he
:09:27. > :09:33.could have the baby sleeping in their bed. Sarah, we are getting the
:09:33. > :09:37.family mapped out in South Africa, seeing a lot of different members.
:09:37. > :09:42.There are a lot of disputes over where he is buried because there is
:09:42. > :09:51.a lot of tourist money at stake. One of the Sons has built a big tourist
:09:51. > :09:55.complex and if people don't go there it will be a shame. I was a young
:09:56. > :10:02.reporter in South Africa in 1994 and I went to a place that wasn't even
:10:02. > :10:06.on the map in those days and the apartheid government acted as if
:10:06. > :10:11.these places didn't exist, and you could see long queues of people
:10:11. > :10:15.voting for the first time. Winnie Mandela, a very feisty woman but
:10:15. > :10:20.when you think her husband had been in prison for 27 years and that she
:10:20. > :10:25.was voting for the first time in her life in 1994, you can see where some
:10:25. > :10:33.of the ankle was coming from. look closer to home and it is
:10:33. > :10:41.health, isn't it? This story is about Jeremy Hunt telling GPs to
:10:41. > :10:47.crack down on the NHS by health tourists. I'm intruding on private
:10:47. > :10:51.grief here I feel, but the Observer had the story about secret European
:10:51. > :10:59.deals to hand over private data to America exactly the opposite to what
:10:59. > :11:03.we heard about in Der Spiegel. This is based on a source that turned out
:11:03. > :11:08.to be a conspiracy theorist and they have pulled it out, pending
:11:08. > :11:15.investigation. It lives on in their first editions and people in America
:11:16. > :11:23.were saying gosh, don't they know how to use Google? ! There is a lot
:11:23. > :11:27.going on at the Observer. You have an NHS story as well? Yes, it is
:11:27. > :11:31.partly something Sarah has just talked about because the Observer
:11:31. > :11:41.has the headlines about Jeremy Hunt telling the GPs to crack down on
:11:41. > :11:46.
:11:46. > :11:53.news of the NHS, but the story goes into it in some detail. 24 million
:11:53. > :12:02.pounds worth of unpaid debts, overseas people taking advantage of
:12:02. > :12:06.free care. Jeremy Hunt is going to do something about this, as we read.
:12:06. > :12:10.It is very good story and I imagine if he does crack down on it will be
:12:10. > :12:15.a popular thing to do because all you have to do is have an NHS number
:12:15. > :12:19.and you can get as much free care as you like which doesn't go down well
:12:19. > :12:27.with people who have lived here for ages. You have an interesting poll
:12:27. > :12:32.which doesn't look too good for Labour. Yes, its leaders shrinking,
:12:32. > :12:35.now it is only five points ahead of the Conservatives and what is really
:12:35. > :12:40.affecting bringing their lead down is the fact they are not quite
:12:40. > :12:49.trusted on the economy. In the Sunday Telegraph they are saying the
:12:50. > :12:59.vote has strong support -- the voters' strong support for the
:13:00. > :13:02.
:13:02. > :13:09.welfare assault is popular. We are seeing the benefits squeeze, may be
:13:09. > :13:13.immigrants will have to pay GPs, so... So you think the spending
:13:13. > :13:17.statement was good for George Osborne last week? I think he had a
:13:17. > :13:21.pretty good week despite the burger controversy and he is getting some
:13:21. > :13:29.pretty good polling numbers, certainly the best the coalition has
:13:29. > :13:34.had for a while anyway. I have a Sunday Telegraph story that involves
:13:34. > :13:38.the previous Labour Administration, Alistair Darling the former
:13:38. > :13:45.Chancellor has a nice little story about asking the RBS boss how long
:13:45. > :13:50.it had got as a bank and the boss said maybe two or three hours so
:13:50. > :13:56.they had to act very quickly. Later on, I have to confess I have a sort
:13:56. > :13:59.of interest in this story, Alistair Darling goes very off message in
:13:59. > :14:06.terms of Labour when he talks about the high-speed rail line that will
:14:06. > :14:12.be built from London up to initially Birmingham, and Alistair Darling
:14:12. > :14:19.goes off message when he says that he has now realised he doesn't think
:14:19. > :14:26.it is a good idea at all. I live in Camden, and also Sarah lives not
:14:26. > :14:31.quite so close. Camden residents are being very vocal about it I'm glad
:14:31. > :14:35.to say, but Alistair Darling confesses to having become a sceptic
:14:35. > :14:41.and brothels off a list of objections. My worry is that it will
:14:41. > :14:45.suck money out of the budget when money is needed to upgrade the East
:14:45. > :14:52.Coast Main Line. He is saying why are we spending all of this money
:14:52. > :15:00.when we need to upgrade our present system? We need to invest and build
:15:00. > :15:10.and get this country moving. An airport may be a good idea.
:15:10. > :15:15.Away from that, pay day loans. the time you hitting 5000% interest
:15:15. > :15:18.rates, enough is enough. The Independent is talking about 1
:15:18. > :15:23.million people per month falling into their net. They are really the
:15:23. > :15:26.loan sharks of our time. Interestingly, the Archbishop of
:15:27. > :15:32.Canterbury has decided to do something about it, which I think is
:15:32. > :15:37.a splendid idea. He says he is going to have credit unions set up through
:15:37. > :15:44.a network of churches that would enable people to get loans that are
:15:45. > :15:50.reasonable. He is a former businessman himself. Customers want
:15:50. > :15:55.to take out the loan, so they might be the first to complain about this.
:15:55. > :16:01.I suggest they knock on the Archbishop 's door!
:16:01. > :16:07.Still with the Sunday Times we can't resist a Wimbledon story. Laura
:16:07. > :16:12.Robson made it yesterday. She did very well in the last 16. This is
:16:12. > :16:17.the Sunday Times. She is saying there are a lot of tennis mothers
:16:17. > :16:26.around, and there have been for ever. I once interviewed Jimmy
:16:26. > :16:29.Connors' mother will stop -- mother. Laura, who seems a quiet and well
:16:29. > :16:34.grounded sort of girl, says she doesn't want her mum, who lives in
:16:34. > :16:41.Greece, to attend her next match for fear of being distracted. I'm doing
:16:41. > :16:44.OK without her, says Laura. There was rather an extraordinary match
:16:44. > :16:54.which most of the papers didn't cover because it happens too late
:16:54. > :17:01.last night. That was the 42-year-old Japanese women's singles player,
:17:01. > :17:05.Date-Krumm, playing Serena Williams, no less. Date-Krumm looks
:17:05. > :17:10.like an amiable but very fit Japanese granny. She is the oldest
:17:10. > :17:18.player in the tournament. 42 is old for a tennis player. But she managed
:17:18. > :17:24.to get one game off Serena. This is a great story!
:17:24. > :17:30.She didn't do what the players call it a double bagel, which would have
:17:30. > :17:35.been 6-0, 6-0. I mentioned at the start of this
:17:35. > :17:41.story about the kidnapped woman whose husband was shot. This
:17:41. > :17:51.remarkable account. This woman, Judith Tebbit, she was
:17:51. > :17:51.
:17:51. > :17:54.on holiday off the coast of Kenny -- Kenya, it was a dream and was woken
:17:54. > :17:59.up in the middle of the night, men with guns were hustling her into a
:17:59. > :18:05.boat, dragging her to Somalia, where she spent six months in captivity
:18:06. > :18:09.and had to learn from her son through the gauche nations that are
:18:09. > :18:19.husband had been shot. -- negotiations. It is a moving
:18:19. > :18:22.account. It is here on the front. At one stage, she said the only act of
:18:22. > :18:29.contrition was that one of the kidnappers held her hands in his and
:18:29. > :18:34.about her head. She felt a bit of an acknowledgement that they were
:18:34. > :18:41.sorry. Otherwise, nothing. It was a nightmare experience.
:18:41. > :18:49.I want you to talk about the radio. Yes, the first week of August. We
:18:49. > :18:59.have still got a few to make before them. That is a lot of fun for me.
:18:59. > :19:01.
:19:01. > :19:06.Well, shall I give the game away? My producer doesn't mind. We went to
:19:06. > :19:10.Dallas about ten days ago and recorded a reunion with five people
:19:10. > :19:15.who had actually been there and witnessed the assassination of JFK,
:19:15. > :19:20.or had dealt with the results. One was the surgeon who try to save his
:19:20. > :19:26.life. One was the man who was handcuffed to Lee Harvey Oswald when
:19:26. > :19:30.he was shot. One of them was a spectator, one was a journalist.
:19:30. > :19:40.They were all intimately concerned with that awful event. And we must
:19:40. > :19:41.
:19:41. > :19:45.mention the Rolling Stones. Are you over Glastonbury now? I caught some
:19:45. > :19:48.of them performing. By now want to go back and watch the whole thing.
:19:48. > :19:54.It was fascinating to watch grandfather Mick Jagger there
:19:54. > :19:59.strutting around. Some of the newspapers have got his
:19:59. > :20:08.fitness regime. He is like an opera singer in his regime. In the last
:20:08. > :20:15.two weeks, he barely spoke at all. He took lots of honey and herbs.
:20:15. > :20:21.Anyway, Mick, the silent Rolling Stone, rolls into Glastonbury today.
:20:21. > :20:29.Next up, I want his fitness tips. Late in the programme we will have
:20:29. > :20:32.some of the Rolling Stones from last night. Lovely to see you. So far
:20:32. > :20:35.this summer has been less than inspiring. Some sun for most of us
:20:35. > :20:39.but plenty of rain and cloud, too. Can we count on better weather in
:20:39. > :20:44.Can we count on better weather in the weeks ahead? Here
:20:44. > :20:47.Some blue skies and sunshine certainly in the week ahead. Today,
:20:47. > :20:52.some significantly higher temperatures than we have a news
:20:52. > :20:57.too, particularly in England and Wales. Central and eastern areas are
:20:57. > :21:02.very humid. It isn't story in the north and west. More of a cloud and
:21:02. > :21:06.breeze, and some rain as well. A ban of patchy rain working down into
:21:06. > :21:11.North England and Wales in the afternoon. Behind that, very
:21:11. > :21:16.blustery conditions. In fact, gales in Scotland. At least it will be
:21:16. > :21:21.brightening up with just a few showers by the afternoon. A lot of
:21:21. > :21:28.cloud around the coasts of Wales and south-west England. The spot of
:21:28. > :21:33.drizzle here. Further east, we start to work our ways into sunny skies.
:21:33. > :21:42.Temperatures in the south-east are easily up to 25 or 2060 Greece. That
:21:42. > :21:47.will feel warm and humid. But that gets swept away overnight. Cooler,
:21:47. > :21:51.fresh air floods in. A few showers into the Northwest. A cooler and
:21:51. > :21:53.fresher day tomorrow. But at least fresher day tomorrow. But at least
:21:53. > :22:00.we see some sunshine. So, yes, we see some sunshine. So, yes,
:22:00. > :22:04.Jeremy, some blue skies in the next Not bad. New free schools are at the
:22:04. > :22:09.centre of Michael Gove 's reforms. There will be about 200 by the end
:22:09. > :22:12.of this year. The Chancellor announced funding for another 180 in
:22:12. > :22:17.the Spending Review. Clearly, free schools are going to be a battle
:22:17. > :22:19.line at the next election. Labour wants no more of them. That is what
:22:19. > :22:26.the Shadow Education Secretary is dead in a speech this week. He is
:22:26. > :22:33.with me now to talk about it now. -- that is what the Shadow Education
:22:33. > :22:37.Secretary said. You are going to keep them, even extending?
:22:37. > :22:42.We don't like them for a number of reasons. Right now around the
:22:42. > :22:46.country, there is a shortage of school places. The priority for new
:22:46. > :22:52.schools needs to be the areas which need new schools. And you'd be
:22:52. > :22:58.governed is fixated on this programme. -- and the government. I
:22:58. > :23:03.want teaching to be a high status profession. How can it have a high
:23:03. > :23:10.status if you can employ unqualified people? Secondly, Michael Gove
:23:10. > :23:14.desired is where the schools go. Local communities don't get a say.
:23:14. > :23:20.180 more had just been announced. What happens if you win the election
:23:20. > :23:24.and they haven't been built yet? The schools that are open, if we win
:23:24. > :23:29.in 2015, they will stay open subject to the same conditions as any other
:23:29. > :23:31.school. We are not going to close schools that are already open. We
:23:32. > :23:36.will make changes and bring them into line with other schools. We
:23:36. > :23:41.would say you have got to employ qualified teachers in the future. We
:23:41. > :23:45.would say you have got to be part of the local community of schools. I
:23:45. > :23:52.want all schools to be good schools. Michael Gove 's approach is to focus
:23:52. > :23:59.only on free schools and academies. The 180 more that might be announced
:23:59. > :24:04.might not be built by the next election.
:24:04. > :24:08.I am not going to be in the business of throwing away public money.
:24:08. > :24:13.Equally, I have got to look at where these schools are being created. I
:24:13. > :24:18.would make an appeal to Michael Gove and George Osborne. They have
:24:18. > :24:23.announced 180 new schools. Put them in the areas that need them.
:24:23. > :24:26.It is confusing. You are going to extend to all schools the freedoms
:24:26. > :24:34.that academies and free schools have, but then take them away by
:24:34. > :24:40.giving councils extra oversight. What on earth is going on?
:24:40. > :24:44.We want to extend freedoms where freedoms extend standards. Teachers
:24:44. > :24:48.and head teachers in academies can make decisions about how subjects
:24:48. > :24:53.are taught. That makes sense. I want teachers to make these decisions,
:24:53. > :24:58.not ministers. But academies have the freedom, if you can call it
:24:58. > :25:04.that, to employ unqualified people. I did think that makes sense. All
:25:04. > :25:07.schools should be required to have qualified teachers. It is making all
:25:08. > :25:11.schools good schools by having high standards. Let's have curriculum
:25:11. > :25:14.freedom but also teachers who are qualified.
:25:14. > :25:19.You haven't even mentioned your big idea, which is the parent led
:25:19. > :25:22.academies. This is the type of school you will bring in, where
:25:22. > :25:28.people say, these are just a free schools under a different name.
:25:28. > :25:33.The rhetoric was about parents, but most schools have not been set up by
:25:33. > :25:39.parents. I'm saying, yes, if parents want to set up schools, they can set
:25:39. > :25:45.up parent maintained schools. They are not free schools because they
:25:45. > :25:54.cannot employ unqualified teachers. They will have decisions made at a
:25:54. > :25:58.local level. Councils and communities will make the decision.
:25:58. > :26:02.I was in Suffolk last week away the local Conservative MP didn't agree
:26:02. > :26:08.with the creation of the free school when there is a good academy in the
:26:08. > :26:13.village is going to lose out. How is any mum and dad supposed to
:26:13. > :26:17.understand this policy? The policy is clear. It is about having good
:26:17. > :26:23.schools in every community, and not being fixated, as this government
:26:23. > :26:26.is, or one school over another. You can have a good maintained school or
:26:26. > :26:31.a good academy. Why does the government think the only way to get
:26:31. > :26:34.good news schools is through their programme? We have seen further
:26:34. > :26:37.reports today, some of the free schools are not doing well on their
:26:37. > :26:45.first inspections. The jury is out on how good the schools will be.
:26:45. > :26:50.Some fasting -- fantastic people have set up schools. In Liverpool,
:26:50. > :26:53.they have done something amazing, which I support. When the only show
:26:53. > :26:57.in town is free schools, people are going to set them up. But there's no
:26:57. > :27:03.guarantee they are going to be good schools.
:27:03. > :27:06.You have mentioned that you don't want on qualified teaching. It has
:27:06. > :27:11.been pointed out that David Miliband has been teaching in his local
:27:11. > :27:15.school for two years. That is ridiculous. The rules in
:27:15. > :27:20.that schools should apply to free schools as well. There's a world of
:27:20. > :27:28.difference between MPs spending half a day in their local school and
:27:28. > :27:33.people being employed full-time. I have done it myself. Teach first, a
:27:33. > :27:37.fantastic organisation that I supported as a minister, had a week
:27:37. > :27:41.in which politicians and others can go in and teach. I spent an hour
:27:41. > :27:46.teaching in my constituency. That is not what I am talking about. I'm
:27:46. > :27:50.talking about schools taking on full-time staff who are not
:27:50. > :27:53.qualified. Schools have always been allowed to take on unqualified
:27:53. > :27:56.people provided they work towards a qualification. I want academies and
:27:56. > :28:01.free schools to be affected by that policy in the same way that
:28:01. > :28:09.maintained schools are. GCSE reform is a big subject for
:28:09. > :28:12.you. You have been critical of the Education Secretary here.
:28:12. > :28:20.I think we are seeing a narrowing of the curriculum which is not right
:28:20. > :28:27.for young people about also is not right for the future economy. The
:28:27. > :28:30.CBI told us that yes, of course, we want high standard in academic
:28:30. > :28:35.subjects, but we also want a broad curriculum for the jobs of tomorrow.
:28:35. > :28:40.Michael Gove 's approach is backward looking.
:28:40. > :28:46.What is wrong with his analysis that children need to lead -- learn
:28:46. > :28:50.facts? I am in favour of rigour, but rigour
:28:50. > :28:54.needs to be about skills as well as facts. Let's have high levels of
:28:54. > :28:58.core knowledge but also young people who can communicate, speak and
:28:58. > :29:03.listen, work as part of a team, who have critical analysis skills. Those
:29:03. > :29:08.are the things that will be lost by the exclusive focus on facts, and
:29:09. > :29:14.also by focusing on some subjects rather than others, what about the
:29:14. > :29:19.forgotten 50%, the ones who don't have a chance to go to university?
:29:19. > :29:25.Diane Abbott spoke up for them and backed Michael blow. -- Michael
:29:25. > :29:30.Gove. She says, if you don't have parents to put in a word for you in
:29:30. > :29:34.a difficult jobs market, you need the assurance of rigorous
:29:34. > :29:42.qualification and core academic qualifications. Didn't she blow you
:29:42. > :29:47.out of the water with that? Of course we need that. It is not a
:29:48. > :29:52.choice. We need both. We have said, for example, that English and maths
:29:52. > :29:56.should carry on until 18. We are unusual as a country in saying that
:29:56. > :30:00.people can give up the home language and maths when they are 16. I want
:30:00. > :30:04.rigour, but I want it in engineering. We need engineering
:30:04. > :30:10.jobs in the future and people who are openly trained to do those jobs.
:30:10. > :30:20.It is very backward looking. The suggestion is that you don't
:30:20. > :30:23.expect much and test hard. When there is grade inflation we have to
:30:23. > :30:33.route that out. Let's have high-quality exams but let's also
:30:33. > :30:34.
:30:34. > :30:37.make sure we have a broad and rich curriculum. Thank you.
:30:37. > :30:40.It's always been said that man's best friend is his dog. Well, James
:30:40. > :30:43.Bowen would beg to differ. A few years ago, he was recovering from
:30:43. > :30:47.drug addiction and working as a busker in London when he was
:30:47. > :30:50.befriended by a cat called Bob who helped him turn his life around. Bob
:30:50. > :30:53.refused to leave James alone, even travelling on the Tube and in buses
:30:53. > :30:57.with him before James decided to keep him. A book James wrote about
:30:57. > :31:00.Bob has been a bestseller for over a year, with sales of over 700,000
:31:00. > :31:03.copies. It's been translated into 30 languages and the film rights are
:31:03. > :31:06.being negotiated in Hollywood. James and Bob, welcome!
:31:06. > :31:16.I'm not sure whether we have had a cat on the sofa before on this
:31:16. > :31:17.
:31:17. > :31:22.programme. Say hello. Give me a high five. This is what has entranced
:31:22. > :31:26.people who see you busking. He does lots of little tricks, that is the
:31:26. > :31:30.favourite one we do on the telly because it is the easiest but he
:31:30. > :31:40.does a few little tricks when we went busking which we are not doing
:31:40. > :31:40.
:31:40. > :31:46.so much any more. We have got five books in the works in total. We have
:31:46. > :31:51.won about to come out on Thursday the 4th of July. You were in a lot
:31:51. > :31:58.of trouble and this cat basically walked into your life, is that
:31:58. > :32:02.right? Yes, I was supported Housing and I was getting my life back
:32:02. > :32:07.together. I was on a methadone programme because I was a heroin
:32:07. > :32:15.addict. When you are on the streets you don't have a lot to live for and
:32:15. > :32:24.drugs are great escape. Russell Brand would tell you that.
:32:24. > :32:30.doesn't have a cat though. brought something calmer, he was
:32:30. > :32:37.something about it together with us. He followed you and he went on the
:32:37. > :32:41.bus with you, he sounds amazing. basically said I'm sticking around
:32:41. > :32:47.and you are going to look after me and I'm going to look after you.
:32:47. > :32:53.After I've nursed him back to health I had very little money because, you
:32:53. > :32:57.know, on benefits you scrape by. Busking or selling the big issue
:32:57. > :33:03.makes some extra cash and he decided to come along. The day he came along
:33:03. > :33:12.with me, all of a sudden my money started increasing, people wanted to
:33:12. > :33:16.take photographs with him, somebody made him a scarf which he wore. Our
:33:16. > :33:26.publisher has said that he has had the most fun male of any author
:33:26. > :33:26.
:33:26. > :33:33.ever. I have seen some of your stuff on YouTube and so on, and he behaves
:33:33. > :33:41.a bit like a dog, this cat, don't you think? He is upset because he is
:33:41. > :33:50.moving off now. No, he is a person. I love dogs, but they have masters,
:33:50. > :33:57.cats have servants. So you are working for him? Absolutely, he is
:33:57. > :34:03.my boss. If he didn't want to be there, he would hugger off. How much
:34:03. > :34:13.of a cut of the book is he getting? He is definitely a spoilt Deaver,
:34:13. > :34:14.
:34:14. > :34:24.believe me. You have sold 700,000 of your first book? It is 800,000 in
:34:24. > :34:30.
:34:31. > :34:38.the UK alone. We have done a children's adaption, like with
:34:38. > :34:43.Marley And Me, mine talked about drug addiction and we did it about
:34:43. > :34:49.Bob, no ordinary cat, and that way parents and kids can both read it
:34:49. > :34:59.and they are loving it. There is a movie coming, is there? I would say
:34:59. > :35:00.
:35:00. > :35:05.so. Which actor are you thinking of for this one? I have been asked this
:35:05. > :35:10.question a lot of times and a few ideas have gone through my head but
:35:10. > :35:15.I cannot give you a genuine answer on anybody. All I know is that Bob
:35:15. > :35:23.changed my life and if they make a movie about us, that will just be
:35:24. > :35:33.the ultimate sort of... What are you doing? Do you want to treat? It
:35:34. > :35:39.
:35:39. > :35:44.would just be the ultimate sort of story about turning our life for the
:35:44. > :35:48.better. Take me back to what was going on in your life before you met
:35:48. > :35:54.Bob. As you say, you were on the streets and a lot of people are
:35:55. > :35:59.still there, and in the way you are an ambassador for them. I am so
:35:59. > :36:06.pleased to be able to open people's eyes to the plights of animals,
:36:06. > :36:11.homelessness, drug addiction, all of these things, which I have been,
:36:11. > :36:21.yes, basically made an ambassador to and I'm happy to accept that
:36:21. > :36:21.
:36:21. > :36:31.responsibility. We raised �9,000 for a charity, we have raised �10,000
:36:31. > :36:36.
:36:36. > :36:40.for the Blue Cross on the website. It is all on Twitter or just Google
:36:40. > :36:47.Street cat Bob, he is the most amazing little man and I am so
:36:47. > :36:55.blessed to have him in my life. was reading the autocue as well
:36:56. > :37:04.through the whole interview. When we were on the one show, he was sitting
:37:04. > :37:07.next to Eddie izzard and he didn't care.
:37:07. > :37:10.Four years ago, Lenny Henry proved that after decades as a successful
:37:10. > :37:13.comedian he could excel at serious drama too. His Othello was hailed by
:37:13. > :37:16.one reviewer as the best Shakespearean debut he'd ever seen.
:37:16. > :37:21.Well, Lenny Henry's latest stage role is in a modern American classic
:37:21. > :37:24.whose main character could have been dreamt up by the Bard. The play,
:37:24. > :37:27."Fences", sees Henry in fine form as a Lear-like father figure - flawed,
:37:27. > :37:33.bitter, yet lovable. His performance has been getting the kind of reviews
:37:34. > :37:39.that suggest something special has just arrived in London's West End.
:37:39. > :37:49.You never want to listen to anybody, and then you go and do this to me?
:37:49. > :37:50.
:37:50. > :37:55.You are just scared I am going to be better than you. Come here. You made
:37:55. > :38:04.a mistake, I'm going to tell you what your mistake was. Use swung the
:38:04. > :38:13.ball, you didn't hit it. You swung and you missed, that was strike one.
:38:13. > :38:21.Don't you strike out. Good afternoon. Good morning, I should
:38:21. > :38:26.say! I'm thrown by the last interview. That was an extraordinary
:38:26. > :38:31.performance and the part is like King Lear. There is a lot of
:38:31. > :38:35.dialogue, he has a lot of stories to tell and a lot of emotion to give
:38:35. > :38:40.out. There is a real reciprocal energy between the actors and the
:38:40. > :38:45.audience, they really get swept along. In the matinees we had a lot
:38:45. > :38:49.of kids in on Thursday and their response to the story was
:38:49. > :38:55.extraordinary because different sections of the audience followed
:38:55. > :38:58.different characters so the kids were monitoring my son's story and
:38:58. > :39:03.they responded compassionately to what was happening to that boy so I
:39:03. > :39:10.am finding it to be an amazing experience. I am being hugged by
:39:10. > :39:16.women, you're just like my husband, kids, you're just like my dad,
:39:16. > :39:21.extraordinary. On the negative side, arrogant and selfish, but also
:39:21. > :39:30.rather endearing and sweet. In the first half the ground is laid. Troy
:39:30. > :39:34.comes across as funny, likes a drink on a Friday night coming he has his
:39:34. > :39:41.best friend with him and they tell stories, and also he is a fearless
:39:41. > :39:46.man. It is before civil rights but he is asked to become a driver and
:39:46. > :39:50.he will be the first black driver in that company if it goes through so
:39:50. > :39:56.he is obviously somebody who has a sense of I deserve more. However he
:39:56. > :40:00.has his own problems and this is what the players about. He is a
:40:00. > :40:05.deeply flawed protagonist who seems intent on bringing the world down
:40:05. > :40:13.around him and doesn't know why really. You feel sorry for him no
:40:13. > :40:19.matter how bad he has done and that is a hardline. Yes, we have a great
:40:19. > :40:22.cast and when you are playing across people like this, you just get a
:40:22. > :40:30.sense you are supported. In the rehearsal process it was wonderful.
:40:30. > :40:34.Every beat was suffused by the story about family. The director is quite
:40:34. > :40:43.Jamaican in the way she directs and she just tells stories about her
:40:43. > :40:48.family, and we're encouraged to talk about our families and as a result I
:40:48. > :40:51.spoke about my dad. I have rarely spoken about him in a rehearsal room
:40:51. > :40:59.because it is usually just me on my own and it was interesting to talk
:40:59. > :41:03.about him. My dad was very reluctant to give up feelings, never told me a
:41:03. > :41:09.story, strange because now we read Harry Potter to our children but he
:41:09. > :41:15.never told me a story, never said I love you, none of that stuff, but he
:41:15. > :41:20.said things like you have to keep your feet on the ground. Stop the
:41:20. > :41:29.noise, turn the TV over, I want to watch the cricket. These are the
:41:29. > :41:33.four things my dad said to me. The character Troy is so verbose, so
:41:33. > :41:38.emotionally intelligent but with some flaws and you get a sense of I
:41:38. > :41:44.could have had a dad like this, but Troy has his problems so he is not
:41:44. > :41:51.perfect. It is a human story and the author is very insightful on the
:41:51. > :41:57.human condition. Also on race and racism, isn't he? Yes, this is a
:41:57. > :42:01.story about a man who got out of jail and was fancied as a proper
:42:02. > :42:08.baseball player but he was too old so Troy has it in his mind that he
:42:08. > :42:13.was a victim of racism. They didn't allow him to play the major leagues
:42:13. > :42:23.because he was black, but also it could have been because he didn't
:42:23. > :42:23.
:42:23. > :42:29.turn the other cheek. He would have knocked a man out with one punch.
:42:29. > :42:38.you regret the fact that David Harewood the British actor has to go
:42:38. > :42:41.to the US and so on, do you see a pattern there? This is a small
:42:42. > :42:48.country and we are percentage of this country and there is more work
:42:48. > :42:51.in America. It would be wonderful if more work was produced in this
:42:51. > :42:55.country so this plethora of multi ethnic talent we have in this
:42:55. > :43:05.country could be more visible on television but it will take a while.
:43:05. > :43:05.
:43:05. > :43:13.Do you feel that you're both are low in Shakespeare reinvented you? It
:43:13. > :43:17.was a remarkable reinvention of your career. I/O a lot to Northern
:43:17. > :43:26.broadsides and the director who took me on. I have never been through the
:43:26. > :43:36.rehearsal process so I didn't know what it's like. Lets see a clip of
:43:36. > :43:38.
:43:38. > :43:45.it. I/O, my fair warrior! It gives me great content to see you here
:43:45. > :43:55.before me. My soul is joy, may the winds blow until their waking
:43:55. > :43:57.
:43:57. > :44:07.death... So that was the turning point. Yes, it was.The Duchess
:44:07. > :44:08.
:44:08. > :44:11.Theatre in London. Thank you for joining us.
:44:11. > :44:15.It's been a busy week at the Treasury - fuelled by burgers and
:44:15. > :44:18.diet Coke. First, the Chancellor set out the next round of cuts in
:44:18. > :44:21.government spending, telling us how much more will be squeezed from each
:44:21. > :44:23.department, in the year after the election. But the following day,
:44:23. > :44:28.came details of a hundred billion pounds of infrastructure spending,
:44:28. > :44:31.to the end of the decade. So - is it a case of pain today, jam tomorrow?
:44:31. > :44:39.I'm joined by the Lib Dem Chief Secretary to the Treasury, Danny
:44:39. > :44:49.Alexander - good morning. What we are trying to do is change the
:44:49. > :44:51.
:44:51. > :44:57.priorities of this country. For many decades, governments had tried... We
:44:57. > :45:03.are cutting down on spending in order to reinvest money for things
:45:03. > :45:08.that need it in the long-term. We are investing in the rail network.
:45:08. > :45:12.We are creating more affordable homes. We are releasing private
:45:12. > :45:18.sector investment in our energy sector. These are going to transform
:45:18. > :45:26.the economy. Were you aware that most of this had already been
:45:26. > :45:33.announced? Some spending in this round has been announced. That is
:45:33. > :45:37.quite true. What I have announced this week is plan is going until
:45:37. > :45:41.2020, providing certainty that investors in the private sector say
:45:41. > :45:46.they need in order to gear up for providing the infrastructure this
:45:46. > :45:54.country needs. It is only the Labour Party who pretends there is a magic
:45:54. > :46:00.money tree. We prioritise how we spend money. We choose to prioritise
:46:00. > :46:06.our infrastructure. You announced five years of spending all at once.
:46:06. > :46:11.Even the Victorians didn't do that. It is gold-plated spin! We are
:46:11. > :46:15.putting away more money than our predecessors. On the roads, we
:46:15. > :46:21.inherited big cuts to spending, we have topped it up, year on year, and
:46:21. > :46:27.we are investing in the network that has been left to crumble for many
:46:27. > :46:31.decades. �10 billion will go to upgrading our road network,
:46:31. > :46:35.maintaining our network to the quality we need. Paul Johnson says
:46:35. > :46:40.that despite the headlines, no increase in capital spending was
:46:40. > :46:49.announced yesterday until 2017. We are setting out investment for
:46:49. > :46:55.the long-term. New money is set the tide -- set-aside in 2016. We have
:46:55. > :47:01.allocated money for the years behind -- beyond. We have not had a
:47:01. > :47:04.long-term plan for our road and rail network, to get broadband to 99% of
:47:04. > :47:11.the population, and setting aside the policies that investors have
:47:11. > :47:16.been throwing out for -- crying out for. That is vital to ensure the
:47:16. > :47:20.lights stay on in this country. Our message to investors is, we have set
:47:20. > :47:24.out the certainty you need for the long-term. You now need to get on
:47:24. > :47:30.and invest the money. Let us go with the idea that you
:47:30. > :47:40.have unleashed this torrent of money for infrastructure. What took you so
:47:40. > :47:41.
:47:41. > :47:49.long? You were elected in 2010. We set out in 2010, firstly, clear
:47:49. > :47:57.pounds -- plans for the deficit. The deficit is coming down. Debt has
:47:57. > :48:02.gone up. Debt goes up every year you have got a deficit. We have got the
:48:02. > :48:09.deficit down by a third. We have plans to get it down further. We
:48:09. > :48:18.have �11.5 billion of cuts. Big cuts, but big reforms. Why wait
:48:18. > :48:22.three years? We haven't waited three years. Each year, we have added
:48:22. > :48:27.further capital investment in roads, railways, school buildings and
:48:27. > :48:31.school places. These are vitally important things for the future. We
:48:31. > :48:35.have, at each stage, been able to squeeze more out of departmental
:48:35. > :48:40.budgets than we had been before, in order to release the money for the
:48:40. > :48:44.capital investment that the country needs. Are you blinding us with
:48:44. > :48:54.science? Over the last three years, you spent less on capital investment
:48:54. > :48:59.than Labour. That is incorrect. At every stage since the spending round
:48:59. > :49:03.in 2010, we have added more capital spending than we have had previously
:49:03. > :49:08.planned. We have had �20 billion in this Parliament. This year, for
:49:08. > :49:15.example, additional investment in new places in schools, is of course
:49:15. > :49:19.the school investment is needed. Last year, we set out plans for rail
:49:19. > :49:25.investment. Far from resting on our laurels, we have been doing this.
:49:26. > :49:33.Now is the right time to set out the longer and the public finances are
:49:33. > :49:39.moving in the right direction, the deficit is down by a third...
:49:39. > :49:45.Borrowing �300 million per day. You didn't tell us about that. That is
:49:45. > :49:50.why Labour 's approach, to just borrow money, is wrong. The
:49:50. > :49:56.approach... Talking of incoherence, you are
:49:56. > :50:00.talking about a big capital spending splurge.
:50:00. > :50:04.We are setting out our priorities. We are squeezing more out of current
:50:04. > :50:09.spending in order to release funds to invest in roads and railways and
:50:09. > :50:15.broadband and housing and energy. We are setting aside �800 million under
:50:15. > :50:21.Vince Cable for the green investment bank, precisely to unlock
:50:21. > :50:24.investments that the country needs. In 2011, the Chancellor said, we
:50:24. > :50:30.have asked the public for what is needed and we don't need to ask for
:50:30. > :50:34.more. As we have said repeatedly, the economic forecast has not been
:50:34. > :50:39.as it was when we started. The problems in the Eurozone have held
:50:39. > :50:44.our country back. The banking crisis has been deeper than we thought. It
:50:44. > :50:48.is a long, hard road we are on. But we have to stick to that road and we
:50:48. > :50:53.also have to show how we can invest, as we are doing so, in the
:50:53. > :50:59.infrastructure of this country. Let me move to another area of
:50:59. > :51:03.spending. The NHS, education and overseas aid are all ring fence.
:51:03. > :51:07.That is a lot of money you are paying out and not cutting. It is
:51:07. > :51:11.not logical, is it? You run up a debt to the next generation has to
:51:11. > :51:17.pay. In each of those cases, it is
:51:17. > :51:20.logical. School rolls are rising. Schools need the money to continue
:51:20. > :51:26.to give the proper education to our children. That is the future of the
:51:26. > :51:31.economy. We are making savings elsewhere to make sure they don't
:51:31. > :51:35.have to pay it off. In the health service, we set out what is one of
:51:35. > :51:39.the biggest reforms to the public services for many years, which is
:51:39. > :51:44.bringing together health and social care. Too many elderly people fall
:51:44. > :51:49.down between the cracks in the system. By setting aside money that
:51:49. > :51:53.is jointly commissioned, we can deal with those problems, we can bring
:51:53. > :51:58.our health and social care systems together, and it is one of many
:51:58. > :52:03.areas that by reforming the public services we can improve services and
:52:03. > :52:08.save money. You have left out overseas aid,
:52:08. > :52:10.which drives people up the wall. Billions is going to be spent. We
:52:10. > :52:16.are logging hospitals in other countries that we can't afford
:52:16. > :52:21.ourselves. -- we are building. No matter how difficult
:52:21. > :52:26.circumstances in this country, people in the world are worse off. I
:52:26. > :52:32.am proud that this government, alone among developed countries, is
:52:32. > :52:40.meeting its 0.7% commitment. It is an investment to protect ourselves,
:52:40. > :52:45.too. Some of these places are with security risks. They are new markets
:52:45. > :52:50.for British goods. Meeting our aid commitments is the right moral thing
:52:50. > :52:58.today but it is in our national interest. A Tory MP says we are the
:52:59. > :53:01.mugs of the world. As with many things, I disagree with him on that.
:53:01. > :53:08.Everybody is excited about the public members Bill, which is going
:53:08. > :53:13.to commit the government to a vote on the EU.
:53:13. > :53:17.I disagree with the bill. I voted for legislation that this government
:53:17. > :53:22.brought forward, which, for the first time, guarantees that a
:53:22. > :53:28.referendum takes place whenever there is a server change in the
:53:28. > :53:32.European treaties. -- further change. This bill guarantees a
:53:32. > :53:36.referendum in future. That is what we promised. What is wrong is the
:53:36. > :53:39.idea that we should waste our influence in Europe going after
:53:39. > :53:43.specific repatriations rather than using our influence to build up the
:53:43. > :53:49.European economy to improve job creation and growth prospects across
:53:49. > :53:53.Europe. That is what is knocking our economy.
:53:53. > :53:58.If you look at the rise of UKIP, you can see that your argument is
:53:58. > :54:02.starting to fall on deaf ears. People are thinking, let's have a
:54:02. > :54:05.proper vote. Most people in this country will
:54:05. > :54:08.recognise that our member ship of the EU, jobs, trade, growth,
:54:08. > :54:15.security that it provides, is vitally important to this country,
:54:15. > :54:19.not just now but form a decades to come. I'm confident that UKIP will
:54:19. > :54:28.come and go. But what is important is that Britain stays a member of
:54:28. > :54:34.the EU. And the Lib Dems? What will you do
:54:34. > :54:41.as a party on Friday? We set out our position on this
:54:41. > :54:46.repeatedly in Parliament. This is a Parliamentary stunned. I will be in
:54:46. > :54:51.my constituency working hard for the people of the Highlands. I am sure
:54:52. > :54:57.that is the right choice, given what is going on in Parliament on Friday.
:54:57. > :55:01.Trident. We gather it is now getting close to finally a deal on how the
:55:01. > :55:05.renewal will work. Are you and the Conservatives at odds over this as
:55:05. > :55:10.well? It is not quite a deal on how the
:55:10. > :55:17.renewal would work. We have been conducting a review of alternatives
:55:17. > :55:21.to Trident. That was completed two weeks ago and submitted to the Prime
:55:21. > :55:27.Minister and Deputy Prime Minister. The question it is answering is, is
:55:27. > :55:30.renewal of Trident in the previous way the only way to protect this
:55:30. > :55:34.country in future? While the review doesn't come to any conclusions,
:55:34. > :55:38.when we publish the results, people will see there are choices available
:55:38. > :55:45.to this country, there are alternatives, whether it can, as
:55:45. > :55:55.President Obama said, move on from the Cold War posture is of the past.
:55:55. > :55:58.
:55:58. > :56:01.Thank you very much. Now, over two Naga Munchetty for the headlines.
:56:01. > :56:04.The Chief Secretary to the Treasury has defended the ring fencing of
:56:04. > :56:07.government spending on the health service and schools. He said it is
:56:07. > :56:11.important to safeguard the future of the country. He also said he was
:56:11. > :56:15.proud that the Coalition is meeting its commitment to increased spending
:56:15. > :56:18.on overseas aid. He said his infrastructure spending plan
:56:18. > :56:23.unveiled last week reflected a switch in priorities to long-term
:56:23. > :56:30.projects. David Cameron is in Pakistan for talks with the new
:56:30. > :56:33.elected prime minister, now Sherry. He focused on how Britain and
:56:33. > :56:37.Pakistan could secure a peaceful future for Afghanistan. He went on
:56:37. > :56:42.to say that Britain would stand so that macro shoulder to shoulder with
:56:42. > :56:47.Pakistan on terrorism. -- would stand shoulder to shoulder with
:56:47. > :56:51.Pakistan on terrorism. I profoundly believe that a
:56:51. > :56:54.prosperous, peaceful, democratic Afghanistan is in Pakistan 's
:56:54. > :56:59.interests, and I know that you and President Karzai will work together
:56:59. > :57:05.towards those ends. That is all from me for now. The
:57:05. > :57:11.next news on BBC One is at midday. First, a look at what is coming up
:57:11. > :57:16.after this programme. Is Nelson Mandela -- as Nelson
:57:16. > :57:25.Mandela lies ill, we argue about his latest legacy, for Guinness. Do
:57:25. > :57:30.families need Fathers? That is nearly all we have time for.
:57:30. > :57:34.Thanks to all of our guests. Sophie will be here next week at nine.
:57:34. > :57:37.Before we go, as it is visit festival season, we leave you with
:57:37. > :57:42.one of the highlights of last night 's performance by the Rolling
:57:42. > :57:52.Stones. With an average age of 70, their debut at Glastonbury was truly
:57:52. > :58:05.