:00:34. > :00:39.like a day of epic battles - the long stand-off between Abu Qatada
:00:39. > :00:42.and the British Government is finally over. The outcome of Andy
:00:42. > :00:48.Murray's quest to become the first British Wimbledon men's champion for
:00:48. > :00:57.three-quarters of a century will be settled this afternoon. Ed
:00:57. > :01:00.Miliband's fight to show the union who is boss of the Labour Party.
:01:00. > :01:03.Well, that one's just beginning. And joining me today for our review of
:01:03. > :01:05.the Sunday newspapers, the Times columnist Philip Collins, the
:01:05. > :01:08.musician and broadcaster, Cerys Matthews, and the businessman, boss
:01:08. > :01:11.of Odeon cinemas, Rupert Gavin. Tennis is all over the front and
:01:11. > :01:14.back pages today, but of course the other big news is the deportation of
:01:14. > :01:18.Abu Qatada and the Home Secretary, Theresa May, will be joining us
:01:18. > :01:22.later in the programme to talk about the ending of this long saga and how
:01:22. > :01:25.she plans to speed up the deportation process in future.
:01:25. > :01:28.Also this morning: Labour's under the spotlight with Ed Miliband
:01:28. > :01:32.at war with his biggest financial backer, the Unite union, over the
:01:32. > :01:35.selection of parliamentary candidates. Could all this lead to
:01:35. > :01:39.further reform of the historic links between the party and the union
:01:39. > :01:43.movement? We'll find out from Labour's Deputy Leader, Harriet
:01:43. > :01:45.Harman. Ed Miliband often says he's a one
:01:45. > :01:48.nation politician, echoing Disraeli, although the great Victorian
:01:48. > :01:52.statesman never actually used the phrase as we'll hear from his new
:01:52. > :01:55.biographer, Douglas Hurd. The former Foreign Secretary will
:01:55. > :01:58.also be discussing the turmoil in Egypt and the Middle East.
:01:58. > :02:01.We'll be talking about the tennis, of course, assessing Andy Murray's
:02:01. > :02:09.hopes with that great champion, Martina Navratilova, who has been
:02:09. > :02:11.part of the commentary team at Wimbledon. We'll hear her thoughts
:02:11. > :02:18.on an eventful fortnight. Finally, we have some rather exotic
:02:18. > :02:23.music to get you moving, this fine summer morning. The unique sound of
:02:23. > :02:26.The Bombay Royale, from Bollywood via Australia. All that is coming
:02:26. > :02:29.up, but first the news from Sian Lloyd.
:02:29. > :02:33.Good morning. The radical cleric Abu Qatada has arrived in Jordan where
:02:33. > :02:37.he is due to stand trial on terrorism charges. It ends an almost
:02:37. > :02:41.ten year legal battle by the British Government to deport him. The Home
:02:41. > :02:47.Secretary, Theresa May, has said the move will be welcomed by the British
:02:47. > :02:52.public. For Abu Qatada the start of a
:02:52. > :02:56.journey, for the British Government the end of a problem. It was
:02:56. > :03:00.midnight when Belmarsh top security jail said goodbye to its most famous
:03:00. > :03:04.inmate and the convoy carrying him set off across London. Abu Qatada
:03:04. > :03:09.took his fight to stay in the UK through every court in this country
:03:09. > :03:13.and on to uranium. It is a new treaty between Britain and his
:03:13. > :03:18.native Jordan which enabled him to be sent back there. The plane
:03:18. > :03:22.chartered by the Home Office was waiting for him at RAF Northholt.
:03:22. > :03:26.Last year, another cleric was put on a plane to the United States. This
:03:26. > :03:30.case was always going to be more difficult. But now Abu Qatada is
:03:31. > :03:34.following him on a one way journey out of the UK.
:03:34. > :03:40.He looked relaxed as he walked to the plane. He leaves behind a
:03:40. > :03:44.family, and a reputation for playing the legal system. And then, his last
:03:44. > :03:49.look at country where he has lived for the past 20 years, but much of
:03:49. > :03:55.that time has been spent in custody. Just before 3am, the man described
:03:55. > :03:58.as a threat to national security was on his way. As soon as he was in the
:03:58. > :04:08.air, there was a statement from the Home Secretary saying lessons needed
:04:08. > :04:11.
:04:12. > :04:17.The Prime Minister welcomed the end of the legal battle to send the
:04:17. > :04:21.terror suspect back to Jordan. I was delighted. This is something
:04:21. > :04:25.this Government said it would get done and we have got it done and it
:04:25. > :04:29.is an issue that made my blood boil that this man who has no right to be
:04:29. > :04:33.in our country, who is a threat to our country and it took so long and
:04:33. > :04:38.it was so difficult to deport him, but we've done it. He is back in
:04:38. > :04:40.Jordan and that's excellent news. Two people have been killed and
:04:40. > :04:43.dozens more injured when a plane crash-landed at San Francisco
:04:43. > :04:47.Airport. The Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 was carrying around three
:04:47. > :04:57.hundred passengers from Seoul in South Korea. The cause of the crash
:04:57. > :04:57.
:04:57. > :05:01.isn't known. Eyewitnesses say it was clear Asiana Airlines was in trouble
:05:01. > :05:07.as it approached the airport. It appeared to have been coming in too
:05:07. > :05:12.short and may have hit the seawall. Awed of a sudden we just heard a
:05:12. > :05:17.loud boom and within moments, seconds, it was just completely
:05:17. > :05:21.hidden in a cloud of what seemed to be a combination of smoke and dust.
:05:21. > :05:25.The plane burst into flames after it hit the ground with dense black
:05:25. > :05:30.smoke pouring from the jet, many of the passengers were quick to make
:05:30. > :05:35.their escape. Well, we had arrived on the scene, the chutes had been
:05:35. > :05:39.deployed and we observed multiple numbers of people coming down the
:05:39. > :05:43.chutes and walking to safety. 181 people were taken to hospital.
:05:43. > :05:47.Most suffered minor injuries, but at least 20 are said to be in a
:05:47. > :05:52.critical condition. The nationalities on board include
:05:53. > :05:56.Chinese, South Korean and US citizens. Asiana Airlines is South
:05:56. > :05:58.Korea's largest airline. The company said it would co-operate with
:05:58. > :06:03.investigators to establish the cause of the crash.
:06:03. > :06:08.At the time, the weather conditions in San Francisco were good and there
:06:09. > :06:17.was little wind. The twin engine Boeing 777 has a good safety record
:06:17. > :06:27.and it is used by many of the major carriers.
:06:27. > :06:36.
:06:36. > :06:40.is due to rise. A fireball destroyed dozens of buildings in Lac-Megantic
:06:40. > :06:44.and around 1,000 people had to leave their homes. It is not known what
:06:44. > :06:49.caused the train to come off the tracks.
:06:49. > :06:52.Egypt's interim presidency denied reports that it it has appointed
:06:52. > :07:01.Mohamed ElBaradei as Prime Minister. The announcement came hours after
:07:01. > :07:04.reports by media that the opposition leader would be sworn in.
:07:04. > :07:09.The Labour leader, Ed Miliband, says he wants to mend his party's
:07:09. > :07:13.relationship with the unions, not end it. His comments follow a row
:07:13. > :07:19.over the selection of a candidate in Falkirk. Labour called in the police
:07:19. > :07:23.to investigate alleged alleged irregularities. The Unite dismissed
:07:23. > :07:27.accusations that it tried to pack the selection process with its
:07:27. > :07:33.members. That's all from me. I will be back just before 10am.
:07:33. > :07:37.Than thank you very much. Now on the front pages, one man
:07:37. > :07:46.dominating the front and the back pages, there he is, Andy Murray
:07:46. > :07:56.prepares for Wimbledon's clash of Titans. The Egyptian army had no
:07:56. > :08:03.choice but to topple Mohammed Morsi says Tony Blair.
:08:03. > :08:08.The Unite union tried to oust do youing gles Alexander, that's the --
:08:08. > :08:12.Douglas Alexander, that's the claim. Economy up, magic weather and Lions
:08:12. > :08:14.weather and now for Andy is their weather and now for Andy is their
:08:14. > :08:16.main story. There is lots of coverage, we will
:08:17. > :08:20.be talking about Ed Miliband. Ed Miliband hit by a crisis of
:08:20. > :08:29.authority. The Mail on Sunday changed their leads in the middle of
:08:29. > :08:39.last night. They were leading on the story "church in apology for child
:08:39. > :08:45.sex abuse" but changed it. This is Saatchi saying "I am divorcing you,
:08:45. > :08:49.Nigella." Apparently he has begun divorce proceedings.
:08:49. > :08:59.More coverage of Unite's scheme to unseat the Shadow Foreign Secretary
:08:59. > :09:00.
:09:00. > :09:07.on the front page there. The Sunday Miron about -- mirror
:09:07. > :09:09.about Bernie Nolan being laid to about Bernie Nolan being laid to
:09:09. > :09:14.rest. Let's start with Abu Qatada and he
:09:15. > :09:19.is about to arrive in Jordan at last. Yes, well, I mean, the papers
:09:19. > :09:24.have under played this Abu Qatada story because it broke so late and
:09:25. > :09:28.so it is absent from the front pages when it would have made it. There is
:09:28. > :09:31.very little about it, but what little commentary, there is a he
:09:31. > :09:34.piece in the Telegraph, is suggesting this is something that
:09:34. > :09:38.Theresa May managed to do after years of Labour failing to get Abu
:09:38. > :09:41.Qatada out. You get a new Home Secretary who has got rid of him and
:09:41. > :09:45.there is no question this is a really good moment for the
:09:45. > :09:48.Government and they will play it for all it is worth. It is unfair to say
:09:48. > :09:53.that one Government failed and another succeeded because the
:09:53. > :09:56.process is long and complex and this is the combination of it and the
:09:56. > :10:00.piece is about the prison cell conditions that will await him when
:10:00. > :10:04.he gets to Jordan and complaining it will be too comfortable for him in
:10:04. > :10:07.prison and of course, that's the whole point of comfortable
:10:07. > :10:13.conditions in prison is to demonstrate that he won't be subject
:10:13. > :10:17.to torture when he gets to Jordan that's been the question at issue
:10:17. > :10:22.throughout. It is a good moment to see the back of this character.
:10:22. > :10:28.Extraordinary pictures of Abu Qatada walking on to the plane, a solitary
:10:28. > :10:37.figure on the tarmac. If Murray wins and Abu Qatada leaves, what a day
:10:37. > :10:40.for Britain! No, this will be a triumph. A comfort comfortable cell,
:10:40. > :10:44.but a comfortable style of torture out there. The key message is
:10:44. > :10:51.getting rid of him. And less money for the lawyers. Well, I know,
:10:51. > :10:54.because it cost almost �2 million. 1. .7 million of taxpayers money.
:10:54. > :10:57.But we have observed due process throughout the whole thing which is
:10:57. > :11:01.important to demonstrate that is what you do and in the end, the
:11:01. > :11:05.right result has been arrived at. It is a really good story and if David
:11:06. > :11:10.Cameron had a couple of very, very good weeks. If he hadn't, if you
:11:10. > :11:17.were in bad odour at the moment Theresa May would be over the place.
:11:17. > :11:19.I don't think that will happen. But it is a very good moment for the
:11:19. > :11:23.Home Secretary, there is no question about that.
:11:23. > :11:27.The Tories are enjoying themselves... I think it is
:11:27. > :11:31.important you can't lecture the rest of the world on Human Rights without
:11:31. > :11:35.following the due process here. It is frustrating, but essential for
:11:35. > :11:38.our position in the world. The Tories must be rubbing their
:11:38. > :11:42.hands with glee given what has been happening with Ed Miliband and
:11:42. > :11:48.Unite? This is the story that's dominating the political pages
:11:48. > :11:52.today. It is an unusual Sunday in. That every single commentator on
:11:52. > :11:55.politics has done the same column, not just the same subject, but the
:11:55. > :12:00.same content which is to say this is a big moment for Labour and Ed
:12:00. > :12:05.Miliband needs to get in front of it and needs to lead and he needs to
:12:05. > :12:09.escalate this row and demonstrate that he is in charge. Now, the
:12:09. > :12:13.papers haven't taken the story on very much. We don't know more about
:12:13. > :12:18.what happened in Falkirk constituency Labour Party an arcane
:12:18. > :12:21.subject of no interest to most people! It is an illustration of a
:12:21. > :12:25.sense of leadership and we don't know what happened because the
:12:25. > :12:29.report hasn't been published and the papers haven't taken it on much.
:12:29. > :12:36.There are suggestions that if boundary changes had gone through
:12:36. > :12:40.they were going to try and get rid of Douglas Alexander.
:12:40. > :12:44.But what a war of words. Len McCluskey raising it up yet again?
:12:44. > :12:47.Well, Len McCluskey is unequivocal that Unite has done nothing wrong
:12:47. > :12:51.which is interesting. He is clear that the strategy was to change the
:12:51. > :12:55.nature of the Labour Party. So it is a clear political argument going on
:12:55. > :12:59.in here. Ed Miliband replies in The Observer in a fairly vague piece
:12:59. > :13:03.which is a holding position. He is going to speak on Tuesday to say
:13:03. > :13:06.more about what he is going to do and furious discussions are going on
:13:06. > :13:09.within the Labour Party to think what is an appropriate response to
:13:09. > :13:12.this. They have been bounced into it?
:13:13. > :13:16.have been bounced into it. That's the bad thing about this. This has
:13:16. > :13:20.been coming since the moment Ed Miliband won his victory, governed
:13:20. > :13:24.really by union votes. Now it is foreseeable this was going to happen
:13:24. > :13:28.and party insiders have been saying for a long time that Tom Watson MP
:13:28. > :13:34.and Unite have been fixing candidate selections. Now, whether that turns
:13:34. > :13:36.out to be true or not, we will see in the fullness of time. But this is
:13:36. > :13:41.not an argument that sprung out of nowhere.
:13:41. > :13:45.If you want to pick that fight, you want to pick it yourself? He should
:13:45. > :13:48.have picked it a long time ago and then he would have the reputation
:13:48. > :13:53.for the man who changed the relationship. Now if he achieves
:13:53. > :13:58.that, it will look as if he was bounced into it? I voted for Ed in
:13:58. > :14:07.anticipation that he was the guy who qo get to this moment -- who would
:14:07. > :14:12.get to this moment. I'm disappointed it has taken this long. It is hard
:14:12. > :14:17.for him, in that Labour relies on the Unite money. Of it really does
:14:17. > :14:20.-- it really does. To pay the wages you need the cheques. With the
:14:20. > :14:24.absence of money from elsewhere, it is hard.
:14:24. > :14:29.Let's move on to the other stories. I know you wanted to talk about this
:14:29. > :14:34.one. Of There are important fights going on, but it is interesting The
:14:34. > :14:40.Mail on Sunday devoted its front page and the inside pages as well to
:14:40. > :14:44.Charles Saatchi infortunatelying Nigella that -- informing Nigella
:14:44. > :14:48.that he is divorcing her. You discover he has written an open
:14:48. > :14:55.letter and published that to the papers and he discloses he hasn't
:14:55. > :14:59.told Nigella. This is another twist in this sorry tale. It is our
:14:59. > :15:05.priority to give it three pages. This is very much his side of the
:15:05. > :15:09.story only that we are hearing? is his side of the story and she is
:15:09. > :15:13.not being given any opportunity to put her position. If there is any
:15:13. > :15:19.learning, anything good from this, it will be another deterrent for
:15:19. > :15:23.smoking because if they weren't smokers and I have seen them sitting
:15:23. > :15:30.at that table time and time out... They wouldn't have been
:15:30. > :15:38.photographed... None of this would be happening! It is a another good
:15:38. > :15:42.advertisement of the periles of smoking!
:15:42. > :15:46.In the Sunday Times - do you take this man's names? I don't. It is
:15:46. > :15:50.comparing statistics of women who are deciding not to change their
:15:50. > :15:54.name when they marry, which leads on from this. In the modern world, how
:15:54. > :15:58.many marriages end in divorce? You can quite likely have a child with
:15:58. > :16:02.your first marriage and a child with the second. You end up with
:16:02. > :16:12.different with different surnames. If you keep your name and maybe take
:16:12. > :16:13.
:16:13. > :16:20.your man's as a middle name as your -- your man's middle name. Your
:16:20. > :16:24.children will then end up with the same name. It ends up with
:16:24. > :16:30.double-barrelled name. And paper work. I know one particular friend
:16:30. > :16:34.who wanted to get rid of her surname entirely. She didn't want her former
:16:35. > :16:39.husband's name and didn't want her original name and wanted to call
:16:39. > :16:44.herself one name. Legally you cannot. I'm not sure many people
:16:44. > :16:49.know that. Prince didn't. Legally you have to have two names. The next
:16:49. > :16:53.story about the economy, things looking up? I think once again this
:16:53. > :16:58.is the most important story of the whole weekend, not that it gets a
:16:58. > :17:04.human amount of coverage. IMF are now, we are about to, during the
:17:04. > :17:07.course of this week, backtrack what had been a slightly negative view
:17:07. > :17:11.recently downgrading our growth prospects, now to agree with the
:17:11. > :17:16.Treasury that an upgrade is necessary. It has hinted this may go
:17:16. > :17:19.up to around 1% growth for this year. Not a phenomenal number but
:17:19. > :17:24.completely different from some of the doom and gloom we used to
:17:24. > :17:28.expect. I think that is remarkably good news. They are talking about a
:17:28. > :17:36.fourth quarter which could see growth rates going up to 2%. So,
:17:36. > :17:40.early signs that the UK economy is recovering. You have a story about
:17:40. > :17:45.George Osborne. Yes, just as a corrective to all this talk of
:17:45. > :17:48.politics. It is worth your remind yourself that the most important
:17:48. > :17:53.political fact is that nobody knows what we are talking about, probably
:17:53. > :17:57.including us. Very reassuring.It showed pictures of George Osborne to
:17:57. > :18:01.people on the street and said - do you know who this man is? Everyone
:18:01. > :18:05.was confident. They said - yes, it's that one out of Little Britain. Some
:18:06. > :18:10.thought it was a newsreader. One person said - isn't it Nick Clegg.
:18:10. > :18:17.And to put the tin on it, somebody thought he was Ed Balls. Nobody
:18:17. > :18:20.knows who he is. Even the President of the United States got him mixed
:18:20. > :18:23.up. He said Jeffrey.You have to be aware, most political questions
:18:23. > :18:30.don't cut through to the public. It is a big issue in this union row for
:18:30. > :18:35.Labour. This might be one that does get through in a way, but must most
:18:35. > :18:40.of the time, most people are not watching. It is music season.
:18:40. > :18:44.it is upon us. You are formering at the Proms Yes, it is really
:18:44. > :18:54.interesting and there is a big article in the independent about the
:18:54. > :18:55.
:18:55. > :19:00.Proms. -- in the Independent. We have the children's story, the Bear
:19:00. > :19:07.Hunt. It is a fantastic musical festival.
:19:07. > :19:12.And there is a concert for the sitar. And the Orchestra will be
:19:12. > :19:17.interesting, it is all about improvisation, and the classical
:19:17. > :19:22.tradition is this it is written down. It is the same day that sap
:19:22. > :19:27.six Music hit the late-night problems with the Stranglers, and
:19:27. > :19:30.Laura marring. I will go for them Laura marring. I will go for them
:19:30. > :19:35.over Wagner. It has been said - he had great moments but terrible
:19:35. > :19:39.quarter hours. We cannot look at the papers without mentioning the man of
:19:39. > :19:44.the moment, we hope, Andy Murray, all over the place. Yes, he will be
:19:44. > :19:50.on court this afternoon. I will be there cheering him on. Could this be
:19:50. > :19:57.the epic moment that bren gets its first -- Britain gets its first
:19:57. > :20:01.Wimbledon winner since "36? It will be a tough challenge. I watched
:20:01. > :20:04.Novak Djokovic on Friday. He had a five-hour semi. He has done that
:20:04. > :20:08.five-hour semi. He has done that before. And he was up against Del
:20:08. > :20:13.Potro, who felt he had nothing to lose. An extraordinary match.And
:20:13. > :20:18.Del Potro played out of his skin. The worry is so much pressure on
:20:18. > :20:23.Andy Murray, that that is an inhibitor to him. Let's hope he does
:20:24. > :20:28.it and let's hope as a result, Britain reevaluates its appreciation
:20:28. > :20:32.of tennis. I have a theory that you cannot be a number one cricketing
:20:32. > :20:36.nation as well as a number one tennis nation. The skills are too
:20:36. > :20:41.similar. It is very telling that over the last 40 years, cricketing
:20:41. > :20:46.nations have only produced two Wimbledon men's winners. A lot of be
:20:46. > :20:50.facts and figures there Let's face it. The Serbian cricketing team are
:20:50. > :20:59.not very good. In which case, what is Andy Murray doing playing tennis?
:20:59. > :21:02.He should be playing in the Ashes. He should be playing in the Ashes.
:21:02. > :21:06.You have to chose. You can't be successful in every sport
:21:06. > :21:09.simultaneous. We will soak up the Wimbledon flavour. Thank you all for
:21:09. > :21:13.joining me this morning. All eyes obviously in Wimbledon this
:21:14. > :21:23.afternoon, so where else could we go for the latest weather? Here is
:21:24. > :21:24.
:21:24. > :21:27.I thought we would have other good facts and figures with possibly the
:21:27. > :21:31.hottest men's final. At the moment it looks close but not equally the
:21:31. > :21:37.hottest we have seen in the ground. It is sisling here already and the
:21:37. > :21:40.sun is beating down. -- sizzling. There is sunshine just about
:21:40. > :21:44.everywhere in the UK. We lose out a little in southern Scotland and
:21:44. > :21:49.Northern Ireland. There is a lot of cloud here. The cloud will thin and
:21:49. > :21:52.break so they should pick up sunny spells. For the far north of
:21:52. > :21:56.Scotland clearer skies than yesterday but cool. Temperatures in
:21:56. > :22:00.Aberdeen perhaps 14 or 15. Further south, once the cloud breaks in
:22:00. > :22:04.southern Scotland and Northern Ireland, 22 or 23. As for England
:22:04. > :22:09.and Wales, temperatures soaring and potential highs across parts of the
:22:09. > :22:14.Midlands and southern he can land of 29 or 30. It is already -- southern
:22:14. > :22:19.England. It is already hot in Centre Court. This afternoon we could get
:22:19. > :22:22.close to 29 or 30. High levels of UV, so sun screen all round and high
:22:22. > :22:26.pollen. Into next week, the dry weather set to continue. More
:22:26. > :22:35.sunshine to come. It looks like things will get cooler by the time
:22:35. > :22:39.we move into the middle of the week The weather is looking good. What
:22:39. > :22:42.about the prospects for the big match this afternoon, the men's
:22:42. > :22:46.singles final between the world number one and number two, Novak
:22:46. > :22:49.Djokovic and Andy Murray. Both had to fight their way through their
:22:49. > :22:54.semifinals and it looks like they could be facing another epic contest
:22:54. > :23:03.who. Better to discuss their prospects than one of Wimbledon's
:23:03. > :23:09.greatest champions, nine times winner of the women's trophy. , ?
:23:10. > :23:14.Can Andy Murray do it? Absolutely. I have been saying it for years. I had
:23:14. > :23:19.a coach who played in Barcelona with him. He said - watch out for him. He
:23:19. > :23:24.said he was going to be great. He said he would be cocky. He is not
:23:24. > :23:29.cocky. He is such a perfectionist. I think now the public have got to
:23:29. > :23:32.know him they have warmed up to him. He was so surly on the court but now
:23:32. > :23:37.he is relaxed and playing great tennis. They were very important
:23:37. > :23:40.moments last year, he lost the final and a few weeks later and he won and
:23:40. > :23:45.there were tears on Centre Court after he lost the final and this is'
:23:45. > :23:49.when the public's attitude switched. -- that's when The public attitude
:23:49. > :23:54.changed and the pressure was off after he lost to Roger Federer, eyes
:23:54. > :23:58.on him. Now he is part of this whole British team. I think that took the
:23:58. > :24:03.pressure off him. And he was able to come back right after Wimbledon and
:24:03. > :24:09.win. That set him up for the US Open where he beat Novak Djokovic in five
:24:09. > :24:15.sets. And, now, that sets him up, I think for today. He has already been
:24:15. > :24:19.in the final, which is very helpful for anybody. He has beaten Djokovic
:24:19. > :24:24.last year on the Olympics semifinal on that court. Two out of three.
:24:24. > :24:27.There is a history between these two guys. They have similar style. I
:24:27. > :24:31.expect somebody to win in five sets. I don't think they can win in three
:24:31. > :24:37.or four, they are so evenly matched. Djokovic is playing fantastic
:24:37. > :24:41.tennis. He said himself, it is some of his best tennis. A formidable per
:24:41. > :24:46.performance. Before the semifinals, I would have said Djokovic all the
:24:46. > :24:50.way. But Del Potro got to him and forced him into errors. But of
:24:50. > :24:54.course, Del Potro plays differently from Andy. But there is a little
:24:54. > :24:59.chink. Everybody has a chink in their armour. We think everybody is
:24:59. > :25:03.unbeatable but look what happened to Serena Williams? It is the beauty of
:25:03. > :25:07.tennis. You think you are so nervous. The other guy is nervous,
:25:07. > :25:11.too. If it is windy, it is windy on the other side. We internalise
:25:11. > :25:16.everything but the other guy is feeling it too. Nobody is perfect.
:25:16. > :25:19.Every match is winnable. It is going to be a cracker. It has been an
:25:19. > :25:24.extraordinary fortnight. You have been doing some of the commentary.
:25:24. > :25:28.You would never have expected some of the great shocks, Nadal, Federer,
:25:28. > :25:32.and Serena Williams going out when they did. It was a crazy Wednesday.
:25:32. > :25:39.I have never seen a Grand Slam day ever like that. I hope I never do
:25:39. > :25:44.again. A lot of players got injured. Hopefully they will not be long
:25:44. > :25:48.injuries. It looked like Del Potro was out after he slipped and hurt
:25:48. > :25:53.his knee. He ended up in the semifinals. You never know in this
:25:53. > :25:57.day and age. I don't ever want to see a day like that. In the final
:25:57. > :26:01.yesterday, poor Sabine Lisicki, she had done so well all the way to the
:26:01. > :26:05.final but you really saw the nerves and the impact - you have been there
:26:05. > :26:08.and done it and know what it is like. I didn't know you were
:26:08. > :26:13.supposed to lose your first final. I was so excited to play my first one.
:26:13. > :26:19.I was down in the third set and ended up winning. It is something
:26:19. > :26:22.you work for your whole life. I sat next to Ann Jones during the match.
:26:22. > :26:26.Everybody saying - it is just a continue Is match but now it is the
:26:26. > :26:32.Wimbledon final, it is not just a tennis match. -- tennis match. You
:26:32. > :26:42.never know how you can handle T I think the guys have easier times
:26:42. > :26:43.
:26:43. > :26:50.handling nerves. They get away with the big serve. The very first toss,
:26:50. > :26:53.Sabine hits a ball up and she had to catch it. I said - oh boy. When the
:26:53. > :26:58.toss goes off, it is hard to recover from that. And Bartoli played so
:26:58. > :27:02.well. She was crying in the middle of a match You are so embarrassed
:27:02. > :27:07.you want to get off the court. Statement you still think you can
:27:08. > :27:13.win, maybe, how. She did get back into the match. It was good that she
:27:13. > :27:19.finally started playing the way she did leading up to it. But kudos to
:27:19. > :27:23.Fabien Barthez. -- kudos to Marion Bartoli.
:27:23. > :27:29.She was hitting the heck out of the ball yesterday.
:27:29. > :27:33.Very quickly, you said handy Murray, he can do it. What about Laura
:27:33. > :27:39.Robson? She did well. There were a couple of things that Laura needs to
:27:39. > :27:45.do. I would also talk it Andy and see how he deals with the pressure.
:27:45. > :27:49.-- talk to andy. He has done a beautiful job with it. There is the
:27:49. > :27:53.X Factor, you never know what is going to ha. Laura has the game. She
:27:53. > :27:57.really wants it. You can't teach height. She is tall enough. She has
:27:57. > :28:01.a beautiful game. A heavy ball. know you will be heading there this
:28:01. > :28:05.afternoon. What a wonderful afternoon. I hope you are right as
:28:05. > :28:10.well. Thank you very much. Now, Benjamin Disraeli was the most
:28:10. > :28:15.dazzling politician of the Victorian era. He could fill a dictionary of
:28:15. > :28:19.quotations. Many of his most famous saying have passed into our every
:28:19. > :28:25.day language. On becoming Prime Minister, he said he had climbed to
:28:25. > :28:30.the top of the greasy pole. And, of course, it was disdis, who observed
:28:30. > :28:40.that everyone likes flattery and when it comes to royalty you should
:28:40. > :28:41.
:28:41. > :28:46.lay it on with a trowel. -- it was Benjamin Disraeli. He never actually
:28:46. > :28:50.used the phrase One Nation politics. Douglas Hurd has written a new
:28:50. > :28:53.biography of Benjamin Disraeli and is with me now. So he never even
:28:53. > :28:58.used this phrase. We searched everywhere thinking he must have
:28:58. > :29:08.done. He never did. It was used by Stanley Baldwin who was Conservative
:29:08. > :29:10.
:29:10. > :29:17.Prime Minister in 1924. He coined the phrase One Nation. Disdis --
:29:17. > :29:22.Benjamin Disraeli talk talked about the theory but he never got around
:29:22. > :29:26.to calling it One Nation and he didn't believe in it himself. He
:29:26. > :29:33.loved the cheerful life. He loved the company of Duchesses and
:29:33. > :29:37.marvellous meals. He was a pleasure seeker. Why does it get attributed
:29:37. > :29:45.to him? Some people attract quotations like a magnate. Churchill
:29:45. > :29:52.did. But he has only 25, I think, it is, quotations in the Oxford Book of
:29:52. > :30:00.sqap quotation, where -- book of Quotations, whereas Benjamin
:30:00. > :30:03.Disraeli has 88. Why did they attribute that idea to him? Because
:30:03. > :30:06.he used which theedy remarks. Someone thinks of it and pushes it
:30:06. > :30:14.on to him. That's the way you get on to him. That's the way you get
:30:14. > :30:19.currency. He has been hailed asted One Nation Conservative, but what
:30:19. > :30:23.does that mean? It means you believe that people in one class should
:30:23. > :30:27.behave descently to people in another and then it goes on to think
:30:27. > :30:36.that the classes will fuse. Disraeli was clear the classes would not
:30:36. > :30:40.fuse. He believed in ard aristocracy and lived happily alongside them,
:30:40. > :30:44.but wasn't part of them. He didn't believe in fusing something which
:30:44. > :30:48.couldn't be fused. But now Ed Miliband is using it, isn't he?
:30:48. > :30:52.Well, you say even Ed Miliband. He is badly advised. He shouldn't use
:30:52. > :30:56.it. It is not his phrase, it is Disraeli's phrase.
:30:56. > :31:00.It is picked up and quoted by politicians and Prime Ministers,
:31:00. > :31:06.this even came into the bankers bonus row, didn't it? It is used for
:31:06. > :31:12.all kinds of purposes and some are legitimate and some aren't.
:31:12. > :31:22.You say the myth began on his death and the myth became mightier than
:31:22. > :31:25.
:31:25. > :31:29.the man. Why did that happen? April 189 -- 1881. There is a great
:31:29. > :31:33.funeral. Everybody goes except the Queen and Gladstone who is the Prime
:31:33. > :31:36.Minister. Gladstone makes up some excuse about pressure of work.
:31:36. > :31:40.That's bogus. He didn't want to go there because he would be in the
:31:40. > :31:46.news just for the wrong reasons. The Queen was determined not to go to
:31:46. > :31:56.the funeral, but to pay tribute to the man... She was devastated,
:31:56. > :32:06.wasn't she? She was devastated. She wrote that weekend to Disraeli's
:32:06. > :32:12.
:32:12. > :32:19.the death toll is likely to rise after a train carrying crude oil
:32:19. > :32:23.derailed and partly destroyed a derailed and partly destroyed a
:32:23. > :32:26.small town. -- She picked on the primrose and that became a part of
:32:26. > :32:30.the myth. You said his legacy was not
:32:30. > :32:33.political, but personal. It was about the popular touch and that's
:32:33. > :32:40.perhaps some people say missing in modern day politics. Would you say
:32:40. > :32:43.somebody like Boris Johnson, is he a modern day Disraeli? Yes, he
:32:43. > :32:49.supplies something which is otherwise bad lilacing which is the
:32:49. > :32:55.sense of fun in -- badly lacking which is the sense of fun in
:32:55. > :32:59.politics. Disraeli didn't laugh at his own jokes. That's a habit Boris
:32:59. > :33:04.still has. I must ask you about the story in
:33:04. > :33:09.one of the papers saying Tony Blair said that the Egyptian military was
:33:09. > :33:13.right to intervene. You know, you were a very, very experienced he
:33:13. > :33:20.Foreign Secretary and you dealt with all kinds of things for many and
:33:20. > :33:24.would you agree the military was right? Tony Blair leaps in before he
:33:24. > :33:29.thought things through. We know that already. He has done it again on
:33:29. > :33:35.this. The seizure of power by the military, what they did, the day
:33:35. > :33:41.before yesterday was the second act in a drama which is going to go on
:33:41. > :33:46.and on and on. The drama of modern Egypt. Can it be ruled? Can it be
:33:46. > :33:54.successful? We have a long way to go. We don't know yet. We won't know
:33:54. > :34:01.for weeks or months how whether the military gambling on seizing power
:34:01. > :34:04.made a good gamble or bad? Sf think it will be a long time before
:34:04. > :34:07.democracy will be restored? I think it will be a long time. We need to
:34:07. > :34:11.keep our heads and not to rush to judgement. Tony Blair is someone who
:34:11. > :34:15.rushes to judgement. And what do Britain and America do?
:34:15. > :34:21.Do you stand back and watch and not get involved? You become involved.
:34:21. > :34:23.You have to work with the people who are in power. That's something that
:34:23. > :34:27.Foreign Secretaries learn. You don't have to like the guy, but you have
:34:27. > :34:31.to work with him if he is the effective ruler of country X. So you
:34:31. > :34:39.grit your teeth and you work with him. You have to do that all the
:34:39. > :34:44.time. We shouldn't go out of our way to clap our hands and say "that's
:34:44. > :34:48.marvellous" as Tony Blair has done. We should keep our counsel, and keep
:34:48. > :34:55.our wits about us and wait for the last act of the drama which maybe
:34:55. > :34:58.some years away. Thank you very much.
:34:58. > :35:00.Could Labour's relationship with the trade unions be at a cross-roads?
:35:00. > :35:03.That's the speculation following claims that the powerful Unite union
:35:03. > :35:12.tried to rig the selection of Labour's candidate to fight the
:35:12. > :35:15.Falkirk seat at the next general election. Ed Miliband is accused of
:35:15. > :35:20.being slow to grip the problem because Unite is such a big donor to
:35:20. > :35:23.the Labour Party and supported him for the leadership. But now a war of
:35:23. > :35:29.words has broken out between him and Unite's leader, Len McCluskey. I'm
:35:29. > :35:32.joined now by Labour's Deputy Leader, Harriet Harman. What are the
:35:33. > :35:37.allegations because we don't know? Some members of the party have been
:35:37. > :35:42.suspended. The selection of Labour's candidate in the general election
:35:42. > :35:46.for Falkirk has been suspended. The scheme which proved to be vulnerable
:35:46. > :35:51.to abuse has been ended and therefore, what Ed Miliband has done
:35:51. > :35:55.is stepped in and put the situation back on track. But what happened?
:35:56. > :36:00.What are the allegations? Are we talking about fraud? This has been
:36:00. > :36:02.handed to the police. You think something criminal has taken place?
:36:02. > :36:08.There was an investigation after complaints that the membership
:36:08. > :36:13.system was being abused in order to favour a candidate to get selected
:36:13. > :36:17.in Falkirk. That was investigated. The party then suspended two people
:36:18. > :36:20.as a result of that. But then on it being reviewed by the party's
:36:20. > :36:24.solicitor, it was considered that this should be investigated by the
:36:24. > :36:28.police as to the question of criminal actions and you know, we
:36:28. > :36:33.all want to see those of us who are in the Labour Party, we want to see
:36:33. > :36:36.the voice of ordinary working people heard in the corridors of power.
:36:37. > :36:41.That's fundamental, but the way to do that is not to have abuse of the
:36:42. > :36:45.membership system or indeed, to have a membership system which leaves
:36:45. > :36:48.itself open to abuse. That's why the scheme has been ended.
:36:48. > :36:52.As you well know and Len McCluskey has been vocal in saying, he says
:36:52. > :36:56.today in the papers they were would working within the rules to get a,
:36:56. > :37:01.woulding class candidate selected and he dismissed your investigation
:37:01. > :37:08.and he accused that of being shoddy. Let's be clear, you are adamant that
:37:08. > :37:12.there is possibility some criminal activity that's taken place? ?
:37:12. > :37:15.he is wrong to say the investigation did not turn up allegations without
:37:15. > :37:19.foundation. That's wrong and actually just as if there was'
:37:19. > :37:24.breach of the rules within his union, his members would expect him
:37:24. > :37:27.to ensure that the rules were obeyed and the integrity of the union
:37:27. > :37:31.upheld. If there is allegations of membership breach in the Labour
:37:31. > :37:36.Party the duty of the leader and this is what Ed Miliband is doing,
:37:36. > :37:40.is upholding the rules and you know, Len McCluskey should be supporting
:37:40. > :37:45.Ed to support the integrity of the rules of the party, not simply
:37:45. > :37:50.saying "well, these allegations I'm going to sweep them aside" these
:37:50. > :37:54.investigations have been done by party staff on behalf of the party
:37:54. > :37:58.and that's what, you know, that's what's going to happen. There is not
:37:58. > :38:03.a war of words on this, what there is is determined action by Ed
:38:03. > :38:08.Miliband to change the system and to deal with the abuses of the system.
:38:08. > :38:11.The case of Falkirk for you, are you sure this is an isolated case or
:38:11. > :38:15.could this be more widespread? Are you looking into other
:38:15. > :38:19.constituencies? Well, if you look at the figures which we have done
:38:19. > :38:24.Falkirk is the first time that there was an attempt at mass recruitment
:38:24. > :38:32.of membership and irregularities. So actually... And you are sure about
:38:32. > :38:36.that? Most of the union membership joins were like one person
:38:36. > :38:41.constituencies, so it is where there has been a group. This is the one
:38:41. > :38:44.where there is a problem. The scheme was open to abuse. It was abused in
:38:44. > :38:48.Falkirk. That's why members have been suspended. That's why the
:38:48. > :38:52.police have been called in. What about other constituencies? There
:38:52. > :38:55.was this leaked document from Unite's political director saying
:38:55. > :39:02.you night has plans for another 40 constituencies. Are you looking into
:39:02. > :39:08.those? The union join scheme has been ended because it was Falkirk
:39:08. > :39:11.showed it was vulnerable to abuse. The ones they have already had
:39:11. > :39:15.selections, we are not concerned that the scheme has been abused
:39:15. > :39:19.because you only have to look at the numbers to be clear that's the case.
:39:19. > :39:22.Of Falkirk, there was abuse. That action has been taken on that, but
:39:22. > :39:26.if I can just explain because I think you know there is no doubt
:39:26. > :39:29.that we want to have proper processes for the selection of the
:39:29. > :39:33.candidates. There is no doubt about that. Not abuse of the membership
:39:33. > :39:37.system, but a lot of people don't understand that actually the
:39:37. > :39:41.relationship between the trade unions and the Labour Party, it is
:39:41. > :39:44.important that actually we hear the voice of people at work in our
:39:44. > :39:48.public policy making and I will just give you one example. Yesterday, I
:39:48. > :39:53.was in Leicester at the East Midlands conference and it there was
:39:53. > :39:56.a woman from the Shopworkers Union. She was talking to me about the
:39:56. > :40:01.things called small hours contract where people are on contracts of
:40:01. > :40:06.three hours a week in a twilight world between employment and
:40:06. > :40:10.unemployment. It is the unions, the voice of people at work that brings
:40:10. > :40:13.those issues... I want to talk about the unions in a minute. I want to be
:40:13. > :40:18.specific with the other constituencies. Have you taken
:40:18. > :40:22.control, central control of any other of those? Well, there are a
:40:22. > :40:26.number of constituencies where for different reasons issues are being
:40:26. > :40:31.looked into, but as far as the union join... Since last week?Oh no,
:40:31. > :40:36.since previous to that. But this is the union join problem and this has
:40:36. > :40:40.been dealt with, but also... what kind of issues? What are the
:40:40. > :40:45.issues? Ed Miliband is saying we need to have further reform in the
:40:45. > :40:49.selection process. For example, we need to have a cap on expenditure in
:40:49. > :40:52.selection processes because we want to have a situation where ordinary
:40:52. > :40:56.-- an ordinary person can get selected to stand for Parliament or
:40:56. > :40:59.to stand for a position in the party without having to have financial
:40:59. > :41:02.backing either because they are independently wealthy or because
:41:02. > :41:08.they are backed by a trade union and therefore, the question of capping
:41:08. > :41:12.spending in elections, whether or not it is for MP or for leader or
:41:12. > :41:15.deputy leader, you see I actually was not backed by unions to be
:41:15. > :41:19.deputy leader of the Labour Party, but I had to get a second mortgage.
:41:19. > :41:22.Now, most people are not in a position where they can do that and
:41:22. > :41:26.that's unfair. So we need to open the system up so you don't have to
:41:26. > :41:29.have financial backing either from the unions or to be able to use your
:41:29. > :41:31.own resources in order to be able to stand for selection in the Labour
:41:31. > :41:37.Party. What about the political levy? What
:41:37. > :41:41.about making that opt-in rather than an opt-out system? That presumably
:41:41. > :41:46.would weaken, dilute the power of the union bosses? Well, actually if
:41:46. > :41:49.you think of selection. Selections are one member, one vote anyway for
:41:49. > :41:53.Parliamentary selections and therefore, the question of
:41:53. > :41:56.affiliation is not the I shall be uin Parliamentary selections.
:41:56. > :42:00.but I mean the political levy, that's important, isn't it? That
:42:00. > :42:05.could be a step where you, because the crux of this now, you have got
:42:05. > :42:12.this great public spat between your leader and the unions and it is a
:42:12. > :42:17.battle for pouier? No, it is -- power? No, it is no the a great
:42:17. > :42:21.public spat. There is a public argument about Unite and Ed Miliband
:42:21. > :42:25.and ewe knight and Falkirk and Ed Miliband is right that he is
:42:25. > :42:29.upholding the rules. There won't be any argument, the rules will be
:42:29. > :42:33.upheld, but the relationship between the unions and the Labour Party are
:42:33. > :42:36.important for reasons as I have said, the voice is of people at
:42:36. > :42:44.work, having their voice heard in the corridors of power, but we have
:42:44. > :42:47.to modernise the system and that's why Ed will be bringing forward
:42:47. > :42:52.proposals like a cap on spending so it is opened up to ordinary people.
:42:52. > :42:55.We think that the relationship between people at work, in ordinary
:42:55. > :42:59.workplaces, who are having a really hard time at the moment and the
:42:59. > :43:04.Labour Party, it keeps us in touch and that's why we are on people's
:43:04. > :43:05.side locally, but we are opposed to abuse of the rules and that is what
:43:05. > :43:11.happened and nobody should be backing that.
:43:11. > :43:15.Ed Miliband is going to have to do more than cap spending isn't he? He
:43:15. > :43:21.is going to have to do something more dramatic to show people he is
:43:21. > :43:25.in charge. He is going to talk about this this week. Anything more? What
:43:25. > :43:28.options is he looking at? He is looking at the rules and working out
:43:28. > :43:33.how best they should be and this is, you know, this is not about
:43:33. > :43:37.posturing. This is base clay about ensuring, I mean -- basically, about
:43:37. > :43:41.ensuring, I mean this issue in Falkirk was not sought out by Ed so
:43:41. > :43:46.he could do posturing on it. It was a wrongdoing and he stepped in and
:43:46. > :43:51.he is saying... He was brought into this by the Conservatives?
:43:51. > :43:53.that's not true. This came out of nowhere in Prime
:43:53. > :44:00.Minister's Questions, they were talking about education and all of a
:44:00. > :44:04.sudden they are talking about the unions? The process had been
:44:04. > :44:08.suspended long before David Cameron raised it. Also, an investigation
:44:08. > :44:12.had been set-up long before David Cameron raised it. So Ed Miliband
:44:12. > :44:16.and the party had stepped in so David Cameron might decide to give
:44:16. > :44:20.himself the credit, but no, that process was already underway. The
:44:20. > :44:24.review was underway. The selection process had been suspended so that's
:44:24. > :44:27.not right. Ed Miliband's leadership, ifs at a
:44:27. > :44:31.cross-roads, isn't it? There is a crisis going on at the moment. At
:44:31. > :44:35.the end of this, are we going to see a significant change in Labour's
:44:35. > :44:37.relations with the trade unions? Yes, I think things like a cap on
:44:37. > :44:42.spending will be a significant change for the right reasons. But I
:44:42. > :44:45.don't think... That's not going to be enough, is it? Well, I think it
:44:45. > :44:50.is important that nobody is able to be ruled out of a contest because
:44:50. > :44:53.they can't get financial backing from a union or have their own
:44:53. > :44:56.independent funds. You can't have your leader being
:44:56. > :44:59.pushed about in the papers as he is today and there is a war of words
:44:59. > :45:03.that's going on because you are just going to leave yourselves open to
:45:03. > :45:10.this Tory jibe that we heard a lot of last week that your leader is
:45:10. > :45:13.weak? He is not. He has stepped in and taken the action necessary and
:45:13. > :45:17.he is going to take further action to make sure that we keep that link,
:45:17. > :45:20.with people at work, and make sure we are in touch with ordinary
:45:20. > :45:26.people's lives but we also have clear rules to make sure that those
:45:26. > :45:30.rules are not abused. Harriet Harman, thank you very much.
:45:30. > :45:35.Now the deportation of Abu Qatada is something of a personal triumph for
:45:35. > :45:41.the Home Secretary, Theresa May, after years of legal wrangling. More
:45:41. > :45:46.than �1. 5 million of public money has been spent on the case and in
:45:46. > :45:49.the end his deportation was only made possible after she negotiated a
:45:49. > :45:53.special treaty with Jordan. The treaty guarantees that evidence
:45:53. > :45:57.gained by torture will not be used against him. To talk about this in
:45:57. > :46:00.more detail I'm joined by the Home Secretary. You weren't sure whether
:46:00. > :46:04.he was going to be leaving until right up until the very last minute,
:46:04. > :46:07.last night, were you? That's right. There was a possibility, up to the
:46:07. > :46:11.last minute, of further legal challenge. I'm very pleased, having
:46:11. > :46:14.been clear all along that we wanted to deport, Abu Qatada, that it was
:46:15. > :46:19.important that he was not in the UK but back in Jordan it face charges
:46:19. > :46:21.there and we have been able to achieve that. -- to face charges.
:46:21. > :46:25.This has gone through six Home Secretaries, you have got him on
:46:25. > :46:29.that plane. Your thoughts as he left? I was very pleased that we
:46:29. > :46:33.were actually able to finally achieve the deportation of Abu
:46:33. > :46:38.Qatada. As you say, it has taken a long time. We need to look and we
:46:38. > :46:44.will be looking at the processes we go through here in the UK on such
:46:44. > :46:48.deportation and on the Immigration Bill I'm bring forward changes to
:46:48. > :46:51.the number of appeals people can make. Most people were deeply
:46:51. > :46:55.frustrated by how long it took, I was and I know the Prime Minister
:46:55. > :47:00.was, and we want it make sure in future, it can be done more quickly.
:47:00. > :47:07.He achieves in Jordan this morning. Are you confident he will be treated
:47:07. > :47:13.as he should be. He arrives in Jordan. Yes, I am. If you look over
:47:13. > :47:17.the time I have been dealing with this case, we did receive assurances
:47:17. > :47:22.Jordanian Government. The European Court of human right moved the
:47:22. > :47:25.goalposts, so we had to deal with that. We got further assurances from
:47:26. > :47:29.the Jordanian Government and last autumn the courts here in the UK
:47:29. > :47:32.noted a final issue about whether or not evidence that it was alleged had
:47:32. > :47:37.been obtained by torture would be used in the case against him. The
:47:37. > :47:40.treaty was been negotiated. I signed the in March. It was ratified by
:47:40. > :47:44.both parliaments, fully came into force at the beginning of this
:47:45. > :47:50.month. Putting all that together that provides, I believe the
:47:50. > :47:53.assurance about how he can be treated. �2 million spent on this,
:47:53. > :47:56.almost a decade and six Home Secretaries. It has been an
:47:56. > :48:00.extraordinary battle for you personally. What lessons have you
:48:00. > :48:03.taken away from this? I think the first is when you want to achieve
:48:03. > :48:09.something, keep at it. I think it has been determination to ensure
:48:09. > :48:13.that we could deport Abu Qatada that has enabled us to overcome the legal
:48:13. > :48:17.hurdles put in the way and see him removed from the United Kingdom. So,
:48:17. > :48:21.you have to be prepared that sometimes these are lengthy
:48:21. > :48:24.processes but that if you are determined, you can get there in the
:48:24. > :48:29.end. The other lesson is one I mentioned earlier. We have to look
:48:29. > :48:36.at how we do these things. Thats' why in the immigration bill --
:48:36. > :48:40.that's why, in the Immigration skal bill be bringing changes forward
:48:40. > :48:44.about how you deal with appeals processes in the UK? What will it
:48:44. > :48:48.mean? Looking at reducing the number of appeals available to people.
:48:48. > :48:51.There is another issue we have to look at, which is longer term, is
:48:51. > :48:54.the relationship with the UK and the European Court of Human Rights. We
:48:54. > :48:58.are starting work on that. I think nothing should be off the table in
:48:58. > :49:01.terms of that. Let's look at that in a moment. First of all, in the short
:49:01. > :49:04.term, before the next election, obviously you have the problem of
:49:04. > :49:07.the Liberal Democrats and you have been talking about leaving the Human
:49:07. > :49:11.Rights Act, for example, that is not going to happen whilst you are in
:49:11. > :49:16.power, in coalition, but in the short term, can you be confident
:49:16. > :49:20.that you can stop these long-drawnout appeals. Can you do
:49:20. > :49:22.anything significant that will enable you to stop the scenario we
:49:23. > :49:27.have seen going through the courts in recent years? I believe we can.
:49:27. > :49:30.This is why I'm saying actually in primary legislation in a new
:49:30. > :49:33.Immigration Bill we will make changes which will make it quicker
:49:34. > :49:37.to deport people from the UK. We have been looking elsewhere and
:49:37. > :49:41.seeing what other countries could do. We know we can make some changes
:49:41. > :49:45.here in the UK for cases like these and for the other sorts of cases
:49:45. > :49:49.which people read about in the papers, where they see somebody has
:49:49. > :49:52.perhaps claimed this right to so-called Article 8, the right to a
:49:52. > :49:55.private or family life and we will be making changes in the Immigration
:49:55. > :49:59.Bill to deal with that issue as well. Surely you can make the
:49:59. > :50:03.changes, you changed the rules last summer, the immigration rules, that
:50:03. > :50:06.then judges - there was some room for manoeuvre and it hasn't been as
:50:06. > :50:10.effective as you would have hoped. You can make the changes but people
:50:10. > :50:13.can still appeal to the European Court of Human Rights? They have
:50:13. > :50:17.that appeal to the European Court. You are right, I made changes to the
:50:17. > :50:20.immigration rules on this right to a family life last summer. But, some
:50:21. > :50:26.of the cases have not seen the interpretation of those rules being
:50:26. > :50:30.what I'd hoped and expected it would be. That's why I'm going to bring it
:50:30. > :50:33.forward nool primary legislation, bring it forward into an immigration
:50:33. > :50:38.bill later this year. I will also be looking at the appeals processes to
:50:38. > :50:42.ensure that we can assure that in cases like Abu Qatada's, we would be
:50:42. > :50:46.able to see people being deported more quickly than in future. In the
:50:46. > :50:49.long term, after the legs election, if you are in power -- after the
:50:49. > :50:54.next election, if you have a majority Government, are you going
:50:54. > :50:58.to promise to scrap the Human Rights Act and withdraw from the European
:50:58. > :51:02.Court of Human Rights. I have been clear that we should repeal the
:51:02. > :51:04.human rights at and look at the European Convention on Human Rights.
:51:04. > :51:09.As the Prime Minister said this morning, the Conservative manifesto
:51:09. > :51:13.will set out clearly what we will do in Government, in relation to both
:51:13. > :51:19.issues. I think nothing should be off the table but we need to do that
:51:19. > :51:23.work and then come forward. You have some colleagues who have their own
:51:23. > :51:26.reservations? The work has to be done. We have to look at what is
:51:26. > :51:29.right and what will work. One of the other things I have taken from the
:51:29. > :51:32.whole issue of dealing with Abu Qatada, is we need to ensure that
:51:32. > :51:35.anything, any changes you make are actually going to work, because
:51:35. > :51:39.that's what we want to be able to do. We want to be able to deport
:51:39. > :51:43.people who are a threat to this country, people who should not be
:51:43. > :51:46.here in the UK. We want to be able to see them removed, as we have with
:51:46. > :51:49.Abu Qatada. If you scrap the Human Rights Act, what would it be
:51:49. > :51:52.replaced with? The last election, as Conservatives, we went into the
:51:52. > :51:57.election with a commitment to replace it with the British bill of
:51:57. > :52:00.rights. We've had the commission looking at a British bill of rights
:52:00. > :52:05.and further work needs to be done on that. This is an issue this many
:52:05. > :52:07.people feel does need to be addressed and the next Conservative
:52:07. > :52:11.manifesto, leading up to the next election, we will set out clearly
:52:11. > :52:15.what we believe we should be doing. The point of the Human Rights Act is
:52:15. > :52:19.to take the power away from the populist mass agenda, the
:52:19. > :52:23.politicians, as well and actually look at all these cases in a clear
:52:23. > :52:26.light. I know Abu Qatada has used the system but there are people who
:52:26. > :52:30.perhaps wouldn't be protected if the politicians had a greater say. No,
:52:30. > :52:35.it is not about the politicians necessary having a greater say. It
:52:35. > :52:39.is about the laws of the United Kingdom being made in our
:52:39. > :52:42.Parliament. We need to ensure that, yes, of course we protect human
:52:42. > :52:46.rights and this country has a fine record in relation to the protection
:52:46. > :52:48.of human rights. We need to make sure when there is somebody in this
:52:48. > :52:51.country who is dangerous and when there is somebody in this country
:52:51. > :52:54.who poses a threat to this country, that we are able to remove them from
:52:54. > :52:59.the UK. That's what we have been able to do, following much work, we
:52:59. > :53:03.have been able to doe that with Abu Qatada. I'm pleased he is now in
:53:03. > :53:08.Jordan. He will be facing charges in Jordan. That was the right thing to
:53:08. > :53:11.do. We need to make sure we can do it more quickly in few toour.
:53:12. > :53:16.Prime Minister said he would be -- in future. The Prime Minister said
:53:16. > :53:21.he would be the happiest man around if you saw Abu Qatada on a plane
:53:21. > :53:25.today? Is that how you feel? Auto em' very pleased. A lot of work has
:53:25. > :53:28.gone into it. Our security minister went there our ambassador and hem
:53:28. > :53:31.office officials have worked hard. There are a lot of people today
:53:31. > :53:35.who's hard work has played off. I think most people in this country
:53:35. > :53:38.will be very pleased and say - thank goodness, Abu Qatada is now in
:53:38. > :53:42.Jordan. How many more cases of a similar kind are still going through
:53:42. > :53:46.the courts at the moment? Are you having to deal with all kinds of
:53:46. > :53:49.appeals for similar cases that people would be probably furious
:53:49. > :53:55.about? Well, there are always cases going through where people are
:53:55. > :53:58.appealing on different grounds, against their - against us stopping
:53:58. > :54:01.them from being in the United Kingdom, be that deportation of
:54:01. > :54:04.foreign national offenders, for example. That's why it is very
:54:04. > :54:08.important that we are doing what we are going to do this autumn,
:54:08. > :54:12.bringing forward a new imGriggs bill which will address -- immigration
:54:12. > :54:15.bill to address the concerns and hurdles where we can't remove people
:54:15. > :54:20.as quickly as we can. You will have a fit on your hands to get it
:54:20. > :54:23.through. -- a fight. If you said to members of the public - should the
:54:23. > :54:27.Government change the law to make it easier to deport people who are a
:54:27. > :54:31.threat to this country? I think the vast majority would say yes.
:54:31. > :54:36.terms of... I hope when it comes to Parliament it will be reflected in
:54:36. > :54:39.the views that Members of Parliament take. Absolutely. The one coalition
:54:39. > :54:42.partner you will have to convince is the Liberal Democrats, isn't it?
:54:42. > :54:45.have agreement across the Coalition Government that we will be bringing
:54:45. > :54:49.forward the immigration bill and that this will be part of it.
:54:49. > :54:53.Now back to Sian for the news headlines.
:54:53. > :54:57.The radical cleric, Abu Qatada, has been deported to Jordan overnight.
:54:57. > :55:01.He arrived back in his homeland this morning, where he will stand trial
:55:01. > :55:06.on terrorism charges. It ends an almost ten-year legal battle by the
:55:06. > :55:09.British Government to deport him. Speaking to the BBC earlier, the
:55:09. > :55:13.Prime Minister welcomed the news. was absolutely delighted. I mean
:55:13. > :55:19.this is something this Government said it would get done and we have
:55:19. > :55:23.got it done. And it's an issue, like the rest of the country, that has
:55:23. > :55:27.made my blood boil, that this man, who has no right to be in our
:55:27. > :55:32.country, who is a threat to oir country and it took so much and was
:55:32. > :55:36.so difficult to deport him. -- our country. We have done T excellent
:55:36. > :55:40.news. The Home Secretary confirmed on this programme that she hopes
:55:40. > :55:45.rules will be changed so that deportations happen more quickly.
:55:45. > :55:48.Theresa May said the Government will be looking to alter processions,
:55:48. > :55:52.including reducing the number of appeals that can be made before a
:55:52. > :55:55.deportation order is issued. The Labour Leader, Ed Miliband, says he
:55:55. > :55:59.wants to mend his party's relationship with the unions, not
:55:59. > :56:04.end T his comments follow a row over the election of a candidate in
:56:04. > :56:09.Falkirk. Labour have called in the police to investigate alleged
:56:09. > :56:14.irregularities. The Unite union dismissed accusations that it tried
:56:14. > :56:17.to pack the selection with its members. Harriet Harman earlier on
:56:17. > :56:20.this programme said further reform of the selection process was needed
:56:20. > :56:24.and the party would be recommending the introduction of new rules,
:56:24. > :56:29.including a cap on spending by candidates. That's all for now. The
:56:29. > :56:32.next it news on BBC One is just after midday. Back to Sophie in a
:56:32. > :56:36.moment but first a look at what is coming up after the show.
:56:36. > :56:41.Should child sex offenders be given tougher sentences, or do they
:56:41. > :56:46.deserve a chance to reform? With the benefits cap on the horizon, are the
:56:46. > :56:50.poor being demonised, and does marrying outside your faith damage
:56:50. > :56:53.religion? Well, that's all we have time for today. Thanks to all my
:56:53. > :57:03.guests. Jeremy Vine will be here next Sunday. His programme will
:57:03. > :57:07.include a special interview by Andrew Marr. Andrew will be talking
:57:07. > :57:14.exclusively to the former Foreign Secretary, David Miliband.
:57:14. > :57:20.We live you with the Bombay royal. They are from Melbourne. They were