:00:38. > :00:41.allowed to say that? We never really had the subject matter when I was
:00:41. > :00:45.fronting Panorama or Newsnight. But given yesterday's weather and the
:00:45. > :00:50.pictures in today's papers, I think I can just about get away with it.
:00:50. > :00:53.So - phew! - let me tell you what we have for you this morning.
:00:53. > :00:56.Joining me today for our review of the Sunday newspapers - Fraser
:00:56. > :01:00.Nelson, editor of the Spectator, and writer, broadcaster and entrepreneur
:01:00. > :01:03.Julia Hobsbawm. There's a lot to make you postpone that trip to the
:01:03. > :01:07.park, or the beach. First, the disturbing case of the poisoning of
:01:07. > :01:11.Alexander Litvinenko. It happened in London seven years ago but the
:01:11. > :01:13.coroner has been unable to reach a verdict, because he says he needs
:01:13. > :01:19.more information from the British government and really a public
:01:19. > :01:26.enquiry. This morning we ask his widow, Marina - who is trying to
:01:26. > :01:28.hide the truth about the death of her husband, and why?
:01:28. > :01:31.And today's slice of British politics is a rather special
:01:31. > :01:34.interview - we thought we'd waved goodbye to David Miliband, but no,
:01:34. > :01:41.Andrew Marr himself will find out how much ambition this Labour
:01:41. > :01:47.politician still has. I have been talking to David
:01:47. > :01:53.Miliband, former Foreign Secretary, who many people thought would be the
:01:53. > :01:56.Leader of the Labour Party until he was defeated by his brother in 2010.
:01:56. > :02:01.Does his departure to America mean the end of one of the longest soap
:02:01. > :02:04.operas in British political history? Also this morning, we hear from the
:02:04. > :02:07.two brilliant actors, Toby Stephens and Anna Chancellor, who appear in a
:02:07. > :02:09.new production of Noel Coward's private Lives, and its particularly
:02:09. > :02:14.poignant role for Toby Stephens. His parents, Maggie Smith and Robert
:02:14. > :02:23.Stephens, starred in this play in the West End 40 years ago.
:02:23. > :02:26.Plus some fine music, right here in the studio. That's Villagers. They
:02:26. > :02:30.play at the Latitude festival next week, but this morning they are
:02:30. > :02:37.playing just for you. Before all that, the latest news
:02:37. > :02:41.from Naga Munchetty. Good morning. Police have been
:02:42. > :02:45.attacked with petrol bombs in north Belfast, during the second night of
:02:45. > :02:51.violence over the annual Orange order parade. Trouble flared when
:02:51. > :03:00.police attempted to enforce a decision to ban a march from passing
:03:00. > :03:05.the Republican Ardoyne area. The police have found themselves on
:03:05. > :03:10.the front line in this dispute about parades. They have been attacked
:03:10. > :03:15.with petrol bombs, bricks and bottles, and for a second night in a
:03:15. > :03:20.row, the worst trouble has been in north Belfast. At the exact spot
:03:20. > :03:26.where a contentious march was stopped on Friday night. The police
:03:26. > :03:29.were enforcing a decision made by others, but they have now become the
:03:29. > :03:36.target for frustration and anger. For most of the day, protests had
:03:36. > :03:43.been peaceful. The residents holding banners and flights near the stretch
:03:43. > :03:50.of road of this dispute. They make decisions that affect the southern
:03:50. > :03:53.citizens of Northern Ireland. the disputed march near a
:03:53. > :03:57.nationalist area does raise tensions. Hundreds of officers were
:03:57. > :04:07.brought to Northern Ireland from elsewhere in the UK ahead of the
:04:07. > :04:08.
:04:08. > :04:12.12th of July. Ahead of -- after the violence, more have been drafted in.
:04:12. > :04:17.The politicians have set themselves a Christmas deadline to try to come
:04:17. > :04:22.up with some sort of solution to the problem of parading. But ask anybody
:04:22. > :04:25.who lives in these areas and they will tell you that is not going to
:04:25. > :04:33.be easy. There continue to be appeals for calm, but it is clear
:04:33. > :04:37.some people just are not listening. At the end of the case that has
:04:37. > :04:42.highlighted racial tensions, a jury in America has acquitted a Hispanic
:04:42. > :04:45.neighbourhood watch volunteer for shooting a black teenager. George
:04:45. > :04:48.Zimmerman shot dead Trayvon Martin in Florida in February last year.
:04:48. > :04:51.His lawyers successfully argued he was acting in self-defence. A number
:04:51. > :04:55.of protests have been held since the verdict was announced, and community
:04:55. > :05:01.leaders have appealed for calm. Vigils have been held to remember
:05:01. > :05:03.the people killed and injured when a train exploded in Canada a week ago.
:05:04. > :05:09.Church bells tolled in Lac-Megantic, and other ceremonies took place
:05:09. > :05:16.across the country. 33 people are known to have died. The train, which
:05:16. > :05:20.was carrying oil, derailed after rolling down a hill.
:05:20. > :05:25.Here, a man's body has been recovered from a river in Swindon
:05:25. > :05:29.after he went swimming on Friday night. John Shailes was found in the
:05:29. > :05:34.River Ray. It comes after three men drowned in separate incidents in the
:05:34. > :05:37.West Midlands. There have even warnings for people to avoid
:05:37. > :05:42.swimming in open water and in disused quarries.
:05:42. > :05:47.That is all from me for now. Now, time to get back to Jeremy.
:05:48. > :05:53.Thank you. On the front pages today, let me show you what we have. No
:05:53. > :05:59.single story dominating. The male has a story about NHS research
:05:59. > :06:09.showing hundreds have died unnecessarily. Pregnant Zara
:06:09. > :06:16.
:06:16. > :06:26.Phillips is in lots of the papers, express, Mum's the word for Kate.
:06:26. > :06:27.
:06:27. > :06:36.Everyone waiting for news of that baby. Scotland on Sunday, Cancer
:06:36. > :06:46.linked to snacks and sugary drinks. T in the Park festival as well.
:06:46. > :06:50.
:06:50. > :06:55.Sunday Mirror, schoolgirl on runways arrays and Nelson and Julia
:06:55. > :07:03.Hobsbawm. Welcome to you both. Julia, start with what ever you
:07:03. > :07:07.want. It is the NHS. It is a dominant story. This is trailing a
:07:07. > :07:15.government report coming out on Tuesday, after mid Staffordshire.
:07:15. > :07:19.The evidence is that Jeremy Hunt, the Health Secretary, is going on
:07:19. > :07:25.the warfare. 21 hospitals are apparently, according to the Mail on
:07:25. > :07:31.Sunday, doomed failing regimes. 30,000 patients are at risk. The
:07:31. > :07:37.weekend is the worst time to go to hospital. So the line they are
:07:37. > :07:43.taking is that the NHS, which we know is wonderful, is also full of
:07:43. > :07:50.potholes. You might be one of this 13,000 who falls into one. The big
:07:50. > :07:56.message is, don't be admitted at the weekend. Yes, death rates are higher
:07:56. > :08:01.on Saturday than the rest of the week. This is a government report,
:08:01. > :08:05.not just the papers getting themselves wound up. It is really
:08:05. > :08:09.interesting that the phrase failed regime has been used by the Health
:08:09. > :08:14.Secretary to describe these hospitals, and it is not just the
:08:14. > :08:23.hospitals. The Basildon Hospital, which emerges as the worst, had 20%
:08:23. > :08:28.higher death rates than the average, but yet was given a good rating. So
:08:28. > :08:33.it is a hospital failure combines with the watchdog failure. What we
:08:33. > :08:37.saw at Staffordshire Hospital, which is still shocking the nation, is
:08:37. > :08:46.replicated in several places up and down the country. At a time where
:08:46. > :08:52.the money in the NHS doubled, that was obviously not enough. Julia, and
:08:52. > :08:58.editorial in the Sunday Telegraph. Yes, if the editorial is devoted to
:08:58. > :09:02.something, it means business. It says that part of the problem is the
:09:02. > :09:06.sacred status of the NHS cannot look to its own failings until it is too
:09:06. > :09:09.late. It blames the Labour government for having it is of a NHS
:09:09. > :09:16.cannot look to its own failings until it is too late. It blames the
:09:16. > :09:23.Labour government for having gigs that it is hallowed status. Some
:09:23. > :09:28.some of these hospitals. So it is a serious issue, and I guess action
:09:28. > :09:34.will follow. There has been a political failing as well. For a
:09:34. > :09:38.long time, nobody has wanted us to look at failings in the NHS,
:09:38. > :09:43.politically. David Cameron is a great supporter of the NHS, but now
:09:43. > :09:47.they have realised, a bit too late, that you really should name and
:09:47. > :09:52.shame and identify the hospitals failing, and the patients who are
:09:52. > :09:58.being failed as a result. So a real change of tone is coming from
:09:58. > :10:04.political consensus. You have Andrew Walmsley in the Observer. Yes, he is
:10:04. > :10:07.saying that now Ed Miliband has taken his gamble to confront the
:10:07. > :10:15.unions, saying he doesn't want automatic money going from his
:10:15. > :10:19.members to his party, if he is going to have a huge shortfall - and
:10:19. > :10:24.membership of all political parties has fallen in Britain - Andrew
:10:24. > :10:28.Walmsley is saying the only option they have is to become mass
:10:28. > :10:32.membership parties again. There is a big question of whether that is
:10:32. > :10:37.possible, because people just don't join political parties today in the
:10:37. > :10:42.way that they used to. But I think that if the parties found a cause
:10:42. > :10:47.that people believed in, membership might surge. Do you think party
:10:47. > :10:55.membership could ever go back to what it was in the 50s or 60s?
:10:55. > :11:00.but it is interesting that certain little experiments - in some
:11:00. > :11:07.constituencies, membership of the Conservative Party has doubled.
:11:07. > :11:15.Off-line gatherings, you say, which means that people actually meet each
:11:15. > :11:19.other? Yes. And the fight that Ed Miliband has had with the trade
:11:19. > :11:23.unions is going to throw a spotlight on the way all parties are funded.
:11:23. > :11:27.Arguably, they are going to have to connect with the public more,
:11:27. > :11:33.because the Tories will not have rich donors supporting them, and
:11:33. > :11:39.Labour will not have the trade unions. And Theresa May? Theresa May
:11:39. > :11:43.has a great story. After having despatched Abu Qatada back to
:11:43. > :11:48.Jordan, her next mission is to come up with an anti-slavery law. This is
:11:48. > :11:54.a important -- an important issue, and I have never understood why
:11:54. > :11:59.there has not in more fuss in Britain about this. We seem to
:11:59. > :12:02.accept this as a necessary underbelly of globalisation. But
:12:02. > :12:07.Theresa May is on campaign after campaign, and her next mission is to
:12:07. > :12:17.come up with a bill to crackdown on this. There is a lot of things the
:12:17. > :12:21.UK can do. Theresa May has given it political attention. The paper says
:12:21. > :12:30.that our kids are told slavery was abolished 200 years ago, but it is
:12:30. > :12:36.back. What about the next story, Syria? This is a piece in the
:12:36. > :12:46.Observer by Eddie Isard, the comedian, who is a Unicef Goodwill
:12:46. > :12:47.
:12:47. > :12:54.Ambassador. What ever you feel about celebrities, you have to suspend
:12:54. > :12:57.that here. Eddie is highlighting the plight of Syrian children caught up
:12:57. > :13:03.in the humanitarian crisis in Syria. It is an incredibly powerful
:13:03. > :13:10.piece. It is interesting, David Miliband's interview with Andrew
:13:10. > :13:14.Marr. The top -- the main idea, according to Eddie, is that it is
:13:14. > :13:17.only the humanitarian agencies who are going to help hundreds of
:13:17. > :13:23.thousands of people who are caught up in these conflicts, at a very
:13:23. > :13:30.granular level. Having them water, giving them refuge. It is a pitiful
:13:30. > :13:34.story, and very well told. I am following a tiny bit of the way
:13:34. > :13:37.these humanitarian agencies are working on the ground, and it is
:13:37. > :13:42.interesting that they have more power than governments. They are the
:13:42. > :13:50.ones that going on the front line, that set up the water and the basic
:13:50. > :13:54.sanitation. The drumbeat for war in Syria is declining. While ago, David
:13:54. > :13:58.Cameron and William Hague wanted to go in and the suffering. The more
:13:58. > :14:02.you think about that, the more you think that putting more arms in
:14:02. > :14:06.their will increase the suffering. So the focus is now turning to what
:14:06. > :14:12.you can do for the victims, rather than how we can come in on one side
:14:12. > :14:18.of the Civil War. On the front page of the Independent, is this a
:14:18. > :14:23.different cure for cancer? Cures for cancer in the paper every so often!
:14:23. > :14:28.But this one is worth reading. It is a new treatment they have which
:14:28. > :14:32.identifies the cells. You get an injection of an antibody which will
:14:32. > :14:36.neutralise the cancer cell. It is less fanciful than it sounds. They
:14:36. > :14:45.have actually been able to cure some cases of skin cancer in America with
:14:45. > :14:52.this technology. A British company has now got a contract, selling this
:14:52. > :14:54.technology. But we are a long way from curing it. It is a good idea to
:14:55. > :14:59.have a route different to the poisoning of cancer with
:14:59. > :15:09.chemotherapy. We might finally be getting awesome that -- a more
:15:09. > :15:17.
:15:17. > :15:23.sophisticated solution. In the Observer, or is it the Telegraph?
:15:23. > :15:30.She is writing about sexism, interestingly she has a female
:15:30. > :15:37.editor. Both of them saying pretty much that sexism is rearing its head
:15:37. > :15:46.but the digital sisterhood, as they put it, is not standing for it.
:15:47. > :15:56.Obviously there is the John Inverdale Marion Bartoli comment.
:15:57. > :15:57.
:15:57. > :16:02.This article is about the fact that Judy Murray has effectively been
:16:02. > :16:07.trolled. The resurgence of feminism means you gentlemen are not getting
:16:07. > :16:13.away with this stuff any more. The minute anything out of order is
:16:13. > :16:17.altered, any woman with a following, with a readership, is on it and I'm
:16:18. > :16:25.basically in favour of that. I would love to discuss that further but I
:16:25. > :16:35.need to squeeze in one more story. It is not an excuse! This story
:16:35. > :16:37.
:16:37. > :16:40.about JK Rowling. We know she is breaking from children's novels but
:16:40. > :16:45.her name is associated with Harry Potter so she thought she would come
:16:45. > :16:48.up with another name, Robert Galbraith, and she invented this
:16:48. > :16:52.character who was a former soldier and it was a very well-received
:16:52. > :16:56.book. The Sunday Times got suspicious and wanted to know more
:16:56. > :17:03.about who this character was, and after a little more digging they
:17:03. > :17:09.found out it was JK Rowling who said to the paper I had hoped to keep my
:17:09. > :17:14.secret longer but you guys have rumbled me. She might have had a
:17:14. > :17:23.second, or even a third career. we mention this photograph of
:17:23. > :17:29.Charles Saatchi and Nigella Lawson? The Sunday people is not
:17:29. > :17:34.everybody's natural port of call on the Sunday, but they got this
:17:34. > :17:41.photograph of Charles Saatchi with his hands around his wife's's neck,
:17:41. > :17:51.it was a global scoop, and now they have returned with this story that a
:17:51. > :17:52.
:17:52. > :17:59.literary editor and columnist for the Spectator, she was seen having
:17:59. > :18:07.dinner with Charles Saatchi. Thank you, and if you would like to tweet
:18:07. > :18:12.about any aspect of the programme this morning, you can do. We had hot
:18:12. > :18:22.weather pretty much around the country yesterday and we want more.
:18:22. > :18:29.
:18:29. > :18:34.amounts of sunshine, after a cloudy start. The thicker cloud in
:18:34. > :18:40.Scotland, that will remain, but further south this cloud is set to
:18:40. > :18:45.be pushed away by the developing westerly wind. That will leave some
:18:45. > :18:51.bits of cloud and may be an isolated shower in the far south-east, but
:18:51. > :18:58.most will stay dry and some in the south-east will be warmer. Not quite
:18:58. > :19:02.as hot as we saw yesterday, 31 Celsius in London's Heathrow, but it
:19:02. > :19:12.will be more comfortable than in recent days with temperatures in the
:19:12. > :19:12.
:19:12. > :19:17.mid-20s. More cloud in Northern Ireland, and in Scotland it will
:19:17. > :19:22.feel warmer than it did yesterday. Tonight, another sultry night with
:19:22. > :19:31.temperatures in the mid to high teens. More misty cloud developing,
:19:31. > :19:38.and staying down in the far north of Scotland. We will continue with the
:19:38. > :19:43.warm sunny story through much of the week. Last Friday the London coroner
:19:43. > :19:48.examining the death of the Russian agent Alexander Litvinenko head the
:19:48. > :19:53.government was blocking his call for a full inquiry. The former KGB agent
:19:53. > :19:56.was poisoned with a radioactive substance in London in 2006. The
:19:56. > :19:59.substance in London in 2006. The coroner at the inquest argued an
:19:59. > :20:04.inquiry was necessary because vital secret evidence couldn't be
:20:04. > :20:09.considered by a normal inquest. His widow says her husband was working
:20:09. > :20:17.for MI6 at the time of his death and she is desperate to establish the
:20:17. > :20:22.truth. Was Alexander Litvinenko killed on the orders of the Kremlin?
:20:22. > :20:30.And is our own government trying to hide something? I am joined now by
:20:30. > :20:37.Marina, Alexander Litvinenko's widow. Good morning. It looks like
:20:37. > :20:47.there will be no public inquiry? Friday was a very short session and
:20:47. > :20:51.you could see the coroner was disappointed. For us, even before,
:20:51. > :20:56.we were not able to prepare for the session because we didn't know about
:20:56. > :21:01.the decision of government. death of your husband was 2006, you
:21:01. > :21:09.are still effectively waiting for an inquest and that is a result of this
:21:09. > :21:12.being delayed? Yes, in 2006 and 2007 I could say I was more optimistic
:21:12. > :21:22.because the investigation was done brilliantly and the police were
:21:22. > :21:22.
:21:22. > :21:31.fantastic. The name of the suspect they got already, and I seek news
:21:31. > :21:35.from the former government, and there were no political barriers to
:21:35. > :21:40.investigate this case. Now when I go to the inquest because I realised it
:21:40. > :21:45.is not possible to have real justice because they have never been
:21:45. > :21:49.extradited, and when they decide foreign inquest finally I thought I
:21:49. > :21:56.would see the whole truth, but after two years when I go foreign inquest
:21:56. > :22:01.they don't have this right. Your husband was also a British citizen,
:22:01. > :22:10.do you feel the British government is letting you down? I try to say
:22:10. > :22:20.no, not yet, because I seek British citizenship in 2006 just slightly
:22:20. > :22:25.before he was poisoned and died. Sasha wanted to protect us, his
:22:25. > :22:31.family, and we have a right to be in this country. Do you believe the
:22:31. > :22:38.Russian government was behind his death? It is quite a unique
:22:38. > :22:44.situation. He was interviewed by police before he died, it was a very
:22:44. > :22:49.unusual case, he could be able to say what he did before he was
:22:49. > :22:58.poisoned and he was able to say who could be behind this crime, and
:22:58. > :23:02.actually it is what our coroner said in his letter. You can find this
:23:02. > :23:07.information on our website, it is for everybody who wants to know
:23:07. > :23:13.information about this inquest. you think the UK government is under
:23:13. > :23:19.pressure from Russia to make sure this never goes anywhere? What kind
:23:19. > :23:25.of pressure? What would you like to hide? What is the price of this
:23:25. > :23:32.pressure? I try to understand why the richest government must be
:23:32. > :23:37.pressured by the Russian government. It could be trade. But what kind of
:23:38. > :23:41.trade? It is obvious in Russia they were not very happy to have this
:23:41. > :23:48.inquest, I don't understand it because all publicity in Russia
:23:48. > :23:52.about this process is put in a very bad way in all reports and all
:23:52. > :24:01.comments, and I believe it is not too strong for British government
:24:01. > :24:07.not to get the truth. Do you feel safe yourself, you and your son?
:24:07. > :24:15.hope everybody feels safe in London, but why I am so... Had to say,
:24:15. > :24:19.optimistic to get through because it is not only killing my husband, it
:24:19. > :24:24.was a radioactive material that was used in London and I want to know
:24:24. > :24:29.how the material was brought to London and help people in London
:24:29. > :24:37.feel safe after this truth. And you are prepared to keep on fighting?
:24:37. > :24:41.Yes, because I cannot now move out from this case. It was a long way to
:24:41. > :24:48.take this decision to go to the inquest, almost five years, and now
:24:48. > :24:53.I have taken this decision, I just cannot move forward. Thank you for
:24:53. > :24:56.joining us. Of all Noel Coward's plays that have
:24:56. > :24:59.stood the test of time, his true masterpiece is Private Lives. A new
:24:59. > :25:02.production has just opened in London. After eight decades, the
:25:02. > :25:07.play's comic essence retains its zing. The sparkling wit is undercut
:25:07. > :25:09.with acid. It centres on two divorcees who embark on second
:25:09. > :25:12.marriages, only to run into each other on their respective
:25:12. > :25:15.honeymoons. The unfinished business between the former spouses leads to
:25:15. > :25:25.fireworks. Anna Chancellor and Toby Stephens play the lead roles of
:25:25. > :25:28.
:25:28. > :25:36.Amanda and Elyot. I wouldn't have expected you to be celibate during
:25:36. > :25:40.those five years any more than I was. What?She was a trifle over
:25:40. > :25:46.vivacious, I would have thought but that is because she is fundamentally
:25:46. > :25:52.stupid. What do you mean about those five years? You know what I mean,
:25:52. > :26:02.what is the matter? Be reasonable, I was only trying to stamp out the
:26:02. > :26:05.
:26:05. > :26:15.memory of you. It doesn't suit women to be promiscuous. It doesn't suit
:26:15. > :26:16.
:26:16. > :26:19.men for women to be promiscuous. caught up with Toby and Anna on
:26:19. > :26:22.stage at the same theatre where40 years ago Toby's parents, Maggie
:26:22. > :26:25.Smith and Robert Stephens, had starred in a famed production of
:26:25. > :26:27.Private Lives. Before we discussed that, Toby told me how Coward's
:26:27. > :26:30.comedy contains a hint of melancholy. When I read it, I saw at
:26:30. > :26:36.the heart of it there was a play that was poignant and sad because it
:26:36. > :26:39.was about the impossibility of some kinds of love, where chemically one
:26:39. > :26:44.is incredibly attracted to the other person and also they are very
:26:44. > :26:49.similar to one another but that is the reason they cannot be together.
:26:49. > :26:56.It is a cyclical relationship that will never cure itself, it will just
:26:56. > :27:00.go on and on. Does the hilarity take away from the seriousness to be is
:27:00. > :27:05.describing? At the base of it, they are these desperate characters that
:27:06. > :27:10.need each other to feel whole, but of course nobody really completes
:27:10. > :27:15.another person totally so they are grappling with wanting to feel OK,
:27:15. > :27:19.looking for the other person to make them feel OK. That will never happen
:27:19. > :27:28.so it explodes and depletes and explodes again. From my point of
:27:28. > :27:33.view, Amanda's character is lonely, unfulfilled, and raging. I think if
:27:33. > :27:41.you keep the rage and desperation at the bottom bubbling away, the jokes
:27:41. > :27:48.come to keep a lid on it so then you have got the drama. When you came
:27:48. > :27:53.out with the famous line, "there are some women who must be struck like
:27:53. > :28:03.gongs" , there was a response from the crowd to say you cannot say
:28:03. > :28:03.
:28:04. > :28:09.this. When this line came out in the 1970s, I think it was shocking
:28:09. > :28:14.then, and it is shocking now and that is right. He wrote characters
:28:14. > :28:19.who are equally likeable and dislikeable. I think both of them,
:28:19. > :28:23.if you are playing them right, the audience should be charmed by them
:28:23. > :28:33.at times but appalled by them at other times. In good writing, I
:28:33. > :28:34.
:28:34. > :28:41.think people save the unsayable, and the audience should say I cannot
:28:41. > :28:49.believe he said that. I think Noel Coward saw himself as living outside
:28:49. > :28:58.the rules of society, as a gay man. Your parents played these roles in
:28:58. > :29:02.1972, you were three? Yes, I was two or three, and it is a weird
:29:02. > :29:07.coincidence actually. That is not why I wanted to do the play across I
:29:07. > :29:17.hadn't seen it when they did it, but coincidentally they open this at
:29:17. > :29:26.this theatre. I am in such a rage. So am I. What shall we do?Whose
:29:26. > :29:32.yacht is that. The Duke of Westminster probably. I wish I was
:29:32. > :29:40.on it. So do I. If you start bickering with me, I swear I will
:29:40. > :29:50.throw you over the edge. Just try it. Ever since I was unlucky enough
:29:50. > :29:51.
:29:51. > :29:56.to set eyes on new... Will your mother be watching? Yes, she loved
:29:56. > :30:01.it and she loved it has been released from the oppressive style
:30:01. > :30:05.thing. Rather than just the characters who speak this way, they
:30:05. > :30:12.just happen to use this language, I think it had always been seen
:30:12. > :30:18.through the scrim of style, rather like Oscar Wilde, this crypt, often,
:30:18. > :30:24.because it is a lot to do with the style of the period and not about
:30:24. > :30:31.what these characters are driven by. Can you imagine playing Amanda in
:30:31. > :30:40.front of Maggie Smith? Scary! both have a standout role that
:30:40. > :30:50.people remember you by, lots of people, and yours is Four Weddings
:30:50. > :30:54.
:30:54. > :31:04.And A Funeral, and do you mind being called Duck Face? No, I had a dog I
:31:04. > :31:12.
:31:12. > :31:15.adored called Daphne, I love ducks. Did the role change your life?
:31:15. > :31:25.I was unemployed for ages. Acting can go so many different ways,
:31:25. > :31:25.
:31:25. > :31:34.brilliant actors never get a chance. Toby, you were a Bond villain. DWORD
:31:34. > :31:41.people to stop mentioning it? immensely grateful for it. It was
:31:41. > :31:49.one of those things where Javier Bardem has played loads of wonderful
:31:49. > :31:54.film roles, so it is just part of his repertoire. Where is the me, I
:31:54. > :31:59.hadn't really done anything before. I had done a lot of theatre. Then
:31:59. > :32:03.suddenly I played this part. That, for a long time, was all anybody
:32:03. > :32:12.read about me. I would be stopped all the time by people saying, you
:32:12. > :32:14.are that guy in the Bond films! looked at your forebears on the net.
:32:14. > :32:19.Apart from being the great-great-granddaughter of a Prime
:32:19. > :32:25.Minister, Asquith, and great-great-granddaughter of the
:32:25. > :32:30.12th Earl of Nottingham... As I read it, I thought you are perfectly at
:32:30. > :32:39.home on the set of this place. a bit posh? Coward wasn't posh
:32:39. > :32:47.himself. He is sort of parodying posh people. It doesn't go together?
:32:47. > :32:51.Am I at home and playing it? I feel it is true. I feel at home playing
:32:51. > :32:55.Coward. Maybe because of my jeans, maybe because of something else. I
:32:55. > :33:01.feel the language sits in my body. When you say those lines that are so
:33:01. > :33:06.funny, I think that is me! For a second, I think I am that funny! But
:33:06. > :33:10.it wasn't me, it was him. Three years ago, delegates at the
:33:10. > :33:14.Labour conference were waiting to find out the result of an intensely
:33:14. > :33:19.fought campaign. David Miliband was favourite to replace Gordon Brown,
:33:19. > :33:24.but in the event, younger brother, Ed Miliband, pipped him to the
:33:24. > :33:29.prize, thanks to the support of the unions. Since then, David has been
:33:29. > :33:34.biding his time on the backbenches, that he has now resigned from the
:33:34. > :33:40.Commons and is moving to New York next week, to head up a big
:33:40. > :33:45.charity, the International Rescue Committee. Last week, he made a big
:33:45. > :33:52.speech about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. This week, he spoke
:33:52. > :33:56.frankly to Andrew Marr. David Miliband, it has been a long
:33:56. > :34:03.time since we talked together, and I suspect it will be a long time until
:34:03. > :34:07.we talk again. You are moving to the US. For how long? I think it is
:34:07. > :34:12.probably wise to get on with the new job, which starts the day after
:34:12. > :34:17.Labor Day, in a few weeks' time, before I start contemplating my jobs
:34:17. > :34:20.after that. It is nice to be on this set, because I know you have been to
:34:20. > :34:25.hell and back. Viewers may be pleased to see me, but I think they
:34:25. > :34:32.will be even more pleased to see you, and I certainly join them in
:34:32. > :34:36.that pleasure. Thank you very much. Your new charity, the International
:34:36. > :34:42.Rescue Committee, has a very strange political history, because it was
:34:42. > :34:47.set up by the leftists from America in the 1950s. You have a family
:34:47. > :34:53.connection with that. It was set up by Einstein. It was for people
:34:53. > :34:58.fleeing the Nazis. Today, it has 40,000 staff in 45 of the most
:34:58. > :35:02.god-awful places in the world, to try and provide homes for people. It
:35:02. > :35:10.is a charitable endeavour that goes into crisis zones to make a
:35:10. > :35:15.difference. Set up by Einstein. You were always called the brains! One
:35:15. > :35:22.thing that struck me looking at International rescue's history, is
:35:22. > :35:32.that, in recent caves, it has been more associated with the policies of
:35:32. > :35:47.
:35:47. > :35:50.the CIA. Will you have complete freedom to do everything you want?
:35:50. > :35:52.can absolutely guarantee you it is a proxy for nobody. Any conspiracy
:35:52. > :35:56.theories about the CIA this is an independent organisation. It is a
:35:56. > :36:00.humanitarian organisation. It is in Mali, Mogadishu and Syria. It is
:36:00. > :36:06.running medical supplies into the most desperately dangerous places,
:36:06. > :36:12.and it is therefore a simple reason. They need help. This is a charitable
:36:12. > :36:16.organisation, right down into its core. Turning to your speech on
:36:16. > :36:24.international affairs, you spoke about two wars. Those in Iraq and
:36:24. > :36:30.Afghanistan. Talking about Iraq, you said it was a disaster. You do not
:36:30. > :36:38.use that word, but that is the implication. It is true that Saddam
:36:38. > :36:43.has gone. It is true that the Kurds are safe. But there are massive
:36:43. > :36:46.refugee flows and massive destabilisation. Actually, the
:36:46. > :36:53.International Rescue Committee is in Iraq, helping some of those people
:36:53. > :36:57.in Afghanistan. There are some profound lessons from both of those
:36:57. > :37:02.endeavours. Lessons about the centrality of political power
:37:02. > :37:08.sharing. Lessons about the regional aspect of these conflicts, and
:37:08. > :37:13.lessons about how mobile jihadist am changes the equation. It is
:37:13. > :37:18.important we those those lessons that we learned those lessons.
:37:18. > :37:23.are very good at kicking the door down, but we do not have a good plan
:37:23. > :37:28.to get out. We won the war, but we didn't win the peace. I think that
:37:28. > :37:34.is central. It is political power-sharing that is central to the
:37:34. > :37:44.legitimacy of any government. 2010, you were much more
:37:44. > :37:44.
:37:44. > :37:48.circumspect. To you and to me, to be fair, you had me on your programmes
:37:48. > :37:51.and I use the same argument. My position has always been that if we
:37:51. > :37:58.knew there were no weapons of mass destruction, there wouldn't have
:37:58. > :38:03.been a war. But the piece was not one. I can remember both in this
:38:03. > :38:07.studio, and from Pakistan where we did an interview, me going through
:38:07. > :38:13.exactly the same argument. I do not shy away from that. I was in the
:38:13. > :38:16.government. I voted for it - I am not running away from that. But we
:38:16. > :38:20.have to be clear about the consequences. You were clearly very
:38:20. > :38:29.irritated at the time for people attacking -- for people uploading
:38:29. > :38:33.your brother for attacking it. Leadership elections are passionate
:38:33. > :38:38.affairs, but the passion was about rebuilding the Labour Party, and how
:38:38. > :38:44.you rebuild it as a fighting force that can govern the country. It
:38:44. > :38:51.wasn't actually a leadership election filled with irritation. It
:38:51. > :38:56.was extremely brotherly, you might say, among all those involved. It is
:38:56. > :39:00.important to be open about that. I continue to believe that the choice
:39:00. > :39:04.that countries like Britain face about how it engages in this much
:39:04. > :39:09.more complex world are fundamental to our economic future, and we
:39:09. > :39:14.should have those arguments out. Moving onto the next war, the Afghan
:39:14. > :39:18.war, you are almost as pessimistic about that. You say there is a
:39:18. > :39:22.possibility of civil war breaking out, and many more years of violence
:39:22. > :39:27.ahead. As Foreign Secretary, I was given the instruction to do
:39:27. > :39:32.everything I could to bring that war to a successful close. The strategy
:39:32. > :39:37.I had was to argue for a political settlement, advocating talks with
:39:37. > :39:47.the Taliban, secret and open. From the start of my tenure, arguing for
:39:47. > :39:51.
:39:52. > :39:54.a regional settlement. The truth is, it is only the imminence of the
:39:54. > :39:56.withdrawal of NATO forces that has led to anything like the degree of
:39:56. > :40:00.commitment to that political solution. Anyone looking at
:40:00. > :40:07.Afghanistan now would say there is not anything like the clarity of
:40:07. > :40:12.endgame. To all of those people looking at that bloody war that has
:40:12. > :40:17.cost Britain is so much. Was it worth it? It is certainly worth it
:40:17. > :40:22.if you are one of the Afghan schoolgirls getting an education. 7
:40:22. > :40:29.million in school now, less than 1 million before. We have had our
:40:29. > :40:35.fingers burnt badly in Afghanistan and. You talk about this paralysis
:40:35. > :40:40.becoming a Civil War. At the moment, the Assad regime on the offensive,
:40:40. > :40:45.successfully. You suggest time has gone past just putting a few more
:40:45. > :40:50.arms in. I fear it is too late. I was doing an interview with you 18
:40:50. > :40:53.months ago, saying the burden of proof is on those who oppose
:40:53. > :40:57.intervention. Assad is strengthening, the opposition is
:40:57. > :41:04.splintering. That has happened. Now the debate about arming the
:41:04. > :41:11.rebels... It is a bit beside the point. The one thing Syria is not
:41:11. > :41:16.short of is guns. The real truth is, neither side can win. That is what
:41:16. > :41:21.the stalemate is. The prospect is of a very long-term stalemate, with the
:41:21. > :41:28.country divided, with sections of the country and training grounds for
:41:28. > :41:32.global jihadists. What about the crisis in Egypt. Tony Blair has
:41:32. > :41:41.defended the military crew on the ground that millions want a change
:41:41. > :41:45.of government. It will appear as if the West's view is that they are in
:41:45. > :41:51.favour of democracy, until the government is produced that they do
:41:51. > :41:58.not like. We cannot have the old guard back. It will be a disaster of
:41:58. > :42:03.huge proportions if Egypt of 2015 is added to Egypt 1954, as a case of
:42:03. > :42:08.the destruction of democratic government. The people who are
:42:08. > :42:13.appealing to the argument that the Arab world cannot have a democracy
:42:13. > :42:20.is Al-Qaeda. That is what they say - do not trust the ballot box. The
:42:20. > :42:25.entry of political Islam in to politics is a good thing. Political
:42:25. > :42:31.prisoners need to be released, and genuinely democratic politics need
:42:31. > :42:36.to be restarted. You would stand shoulder to shoulder with more sea
:42:36. > :42:42.and the Muslim Brotherhood in this great tactical battle. The real
:42:42. > :42:50.complexity of this is they've staged their own military -- their own coup
:42:50. > :42:56.back in September. He put himself above the constitution. That has
:42:56. > :43:00.precipitated the total collapse of the Egyptian state. 15, 20 million
:43:00. > :43:05.people on the streets. The key now is whether the Army fulfilled their
:43:05. > :43:11.initial commitment, which was to restore democracy. Political
:43:11. > :43:16.prisoners should be released. Morsi should be released as well?
:43:16. > :43:18.You cannot lock up people in politics, however incompetent they
:43:19. > :43:28.may have been. And the Muslim Brotherhood giving the right to come
:43:28. > :43:32.back? They do not have to take responsibility for anything if they
:43:32. > :43:41.are pushed underground. It is important we recognise that
:43:41. > :43:49.democracy is about nurturing institutions in civil society, and a
:43:49. > :43:52.constitution that is acceptable to everyone. You have made two
:43:52. > :43:58.distinctions between the job of politicians to shape policy, and the
:43:58. > :44:03.job you are doing now, which is to clear up afterwards. You are still
:44:03. > :44:10.talking like someone who wants to shape policy. So, how long are you
:44:10. > :44:15.going to do this job for? Have you got a set term of office? It is not
:44:15. > :44:19.a fixed term contract. The truth is, I do not know. I am very committed
:44:19. > :44:23.to the International Rescue Committee, and it is a huge honour
:44:23. > :44:30.to be appointed president. If you over calculator, you miscalculate,
:44:30. > :44:33.and I am not going to overcome delay. I am committed to leading
:44:33. > :44:36.this organisation with real drive and energy, and make sure we save as
:44:36. > :44:44.many lives as possible. You are not saying that you are leaving Britain
:44:44. > :44:52.for good? I am not taking out US citizenship! We have roots here,
:44:52. > :44:56.family, wife, kids... So, similarly, you are not ruling out a return to
:44:56. > :45:00.British politics? Do not over calculator, because you
:45:01. > :45:07.miscalculate! I did not think I would be in this position. But I
:45:07. > :45:11.am. I am excited, engaged. I am sad to go, but I feel like a lucky
:45:11. > :45:21.person, given what I have been able to contribute. Last time we talked,
:45:21. > :45:23.
:45:23. > :45:29.you talked about the hurt. Has that healed? Of course. You can never
:45:30. > :45:33.erase these things from memory or history. Ed and I are brothers for
:45:33. > :45:39.life. That is something you value and nurture, what ever the
:45:39. > :45:46.difficulty of that circumstance. that relationship healing?
:45:46. > :45:50.course. The important thing is we have got to never lead our lives by
:45:50. > :45:56.looking in the rearview mirror. That is a disaster for anybody, because
:45:56. > :46:01.it eats you up, and you can't afford to end up eating yourself up with
:46:01. > :46:07.that kind of struggle. You have got to try and say, yes... There are
:46:07. > :46:11.people like Andy Murray who come first, and then Djokovic you come
:46:11. > :46:17.second! Someone has to win. there any point in the last couple
:46:17. > :46:22.of years where you came close to returning to front-line politics?
:46:22. > :46:27.Not really. Everything I said was subject to such interrogation, I
:46:27. > :46:33.felt I wasn't able to do my job as a politician in the way I wanted to.
:46:33. > :46:40.The last thing I want to do is get in the way of labour's task. I am
:46:40. > :46:45.Labour to my core. They do not have that party affiliation watching --
:46:45. > :46:49.running through them, most people watching this. I do. I have always
:46:49. > :46:53.argued that the Labour Party has got to open out to those not in the
:46:53. > :47:03.party. I never wanted people to say I was getting in the way of what
:47:03. > :47:09.Labour needs to do. That was a frustration. We agree to do this
:47:10. > :47:19.interview months ago, we couldn't have known then there would be this
:47:20. > :47:22.
:47:22. > :47:26.great furore with the unions. It must feel slightly strange looking
:47:26. > :47:33.at what your brother has done, confronting the trade unions in this
:47:33. > :47:42.way, Tony Blair saying it is a pivotal changing point in the
:47:42. > :47:49.party. How do you feel about this? It is good, obviously. Are you
:47:49. > :47:54.surprised? I had a sense there was an inevitability about reform and I
:47:54. > :47:58.will tell you why. Around the world, the old structure of the political
:47:58. > :48:04.parties are dying and they have to renew themselves by opening up, and
:48:04. > :48:07.that is the way trade unions renew themselves as well. The more bold
:48:07. > :48:15.political parties are, the more successful they will be because they
:48:15. > :48:19.have got to represent the whole country, diverse societies. I think
:48:19. > :48:25.it is inevitable, and they are going to be thoroughgoing and they need to
:48:25. > :48:33.be because politics have to catch up. You don't have a wry smile when
:48:33. > :48:41.you hear about your brother talking about this? User does it feel
:48:41. > :48:50.strange, it doesn't feel strange, it feels good, and Labour is in a
:48:50. > :49:00.better position this week than it was last week. One of the things
:49:00. > :49:01.
:49:01. > :49:04.your brother has been talking about is putting a cap on what MPs are
:49:04. > :49:10.learning, do you think there is a danger of putting people out of
:49:10. > :49:15.politics because of the salary? think actually people go into
:49:15. > :49:25.politics not because of the money but because of what they believe in.
:49:25. > :49:25.
:49:26. > :49:35.It is true on every side and for the minor parties. You think about the
:49:36. > :49:41.
:49:41. > :49:45.private sector workers earning more, it might put people off.
:49:45. > :49:49.constituents want to know that I am fighting for them and that I am
:49:49. > :49:53.committed to making sure they come first and I think that is what
:49:53. > :50:03.people want from their politicians. What do you think is the future for
:50:03. > :50:04.
:50:04. > :50:08.the Labour Party? Have they cut the links with trade unions completely?
:50:08. > :50:13.They have certainly got to become mass membership parties, that
:50:13. > :50:16.doesn't mean cutting people, it means bringing people in. Let me
:50:16. > :50:23.tell you this, when I came into the Labour Party there was a choice
:50:23. > :50:27.between a sectarian left and in an appealing right, and what has
:50:27. > :50:30.happened over my 30 years is that the new majority in the Labour Party
:50:30. > :50:37.which is willing to say we are pro-Europe, pro-public sector
:50:37. > :50:41.reform, we are the new majority in the party and that fills me with
:50:41. > :50:51.optimism about the future of the party. That is the majority that
:50:51. > :50:51.
:50:51. > :50:57.will support Ed's reforms, and it is the majority that in the end is the
:50:57. > :51:02.right place for centre-left parties to be, it is right we don't become
:51:02. > :51:07.dogmatic. The success we had in the 1990s was because we had a way of
:51:07. > :51:11.thinking that was in tune with the modern world. At the moment in the
:51:11. > :51:15.opinion polls it seems we may be into another period of coalition
:51:15. > :51:19.government, I'm not saying whether that would be left or right, but do
:51:19. > :51:27.you think the age of single big majority party governments in this
:51:27. > :51:32.country is coming to an end? I don't take the conventional wisdom on
:51:32. > :51:37.this, I think that in the end the British people will take a view and
:51:37. > :51:42.I think that is a great prize for Labour, but it could be a great
:51:42. > :51:47.prize for the Tories as well. There is a bit too much mathematics going
:51:47. > :51:50.on in the way people are looking at the polls, but the polls are
:51:50. > :51:56.meaningless because they ask how would you vote if there was an
:51:56. > :52:00.election tomorrow and there isn't an election tomorrow. It is all to play
:52:00. > :52:06.for, it is open and I don't think anyone on either side should be
:52:06. > :52:11.banking on the fact it is bound to be a coalition. By leaving British
:52:11. > :52:21.politics, you end the soap opera of brother against brother, do you
:52:21. > :52:27.
:52:27. > :52:35.think the soap opera of Blairites and Brownites is over as well?
:52:35. > :52:42.because a day in government is worth a thousand in opposition. We have
:52:42. > :52:47.had Roy Hattersley complaining about your comment... We ended up with the
:52:47. > :52:53.sectarianism of the left that had too much power in the 1980s, that is
:52:53. > :53:00.not what is going to come back. it is possible you will be back at
:53:00. > :53:05.some point in the future, you cannot rule that out? Shock horror, David
:53:05. > :53:09.Miliband says he is not rolling out anything. This is a world with
:53:09. > :53:14.massive opportunity and massive problems, that is what people want
:53:15. > :53:18.to talk about. Thank you. David Miliband talking to Andrew Marr on
:53:18. > :53:22.Friday evening. Now the news headlines. The former Foreign
:53:22. > :53:28.Secretary David Miliband who was narrowly beaten to the Labour
:53:28. > :53:33.leadership by his brother has warned his party that although Labour is
:53:33. > :53:37.ahead in some of the polls, the Tories could win a clear majority in
:53:37. > :53:40.the next election. He predicted the next government would not be any
:53:40. > :53:46.form of coalition, and said his departure from Westminster marked
:53:46. > :53:50.the end of what he called the soap opera of the rivalry between
:53:50. > :53:54.supporters of Tony Blair and Tony Brown but said he might return to
:53:54. > :53:58.British politics. Police have been attacked with petrol bombs in
:53:58. > :54:02.Belfast during the second night of violence in the Orange Order
:54:02. > :54:09.parades. Trouble flared when the police attempted to enforce the
:54:09. > :54:15.decision from blocking a march in the Ardoyne area.
:54:15. > :54:20.That is all from me for now, the next news on BBC One is at midday.
:54:20. > :54:24.Here is a look at what is coming up after this show. 60 years on from
:54:24. > :54:30.the crowning of the green, is it time to make the next coronation and
:54:30. > :54:37.multi-faith ceremony? Agreed to join the donor register and you get
:54:37. > :54:41.priority if you need a transplant, is that unfair? Our paper reviewers
:54:42. > :54:49.are still with us, what did you think of the David Miliband
:54:49. > :54:54.interview, was it a farewell? a great interview but it looks like
:54:54. > :55:04.the equivalent of putting your party in a time capsule ready to open in
:55:04. > :55:09.the future. I don't think many Labour people watching that would
:55:09. > :55:18.have thought, my God, I wish we had that King over the water. It was a
:55:18. > :55:24.mixture of political cliche and David Brent pop psychology. If he
:55:24. > :55:33.came back, I think he would be pushed. It is interesting the
:55:33. > :55:37.candour when you are out, isn't it? Yes, maybe all politicians should
:55:37. > :55:45.become ex-politicians and then we can hear what they really think.
:55:45. > :55:49.Finally this morning to the music we promised you. The Villagers are
:55:49. > :55:53.fronted by singer-songwriter Conor O'Brien. Good morning, and I know
:55:53. > :55:59.you have been much praised for your songwriting but you had a block and
:55:59. > :56:03.you chose some new methods of songwriting. Yes, I got more into
:56:03. > :56:10.computers and experimenting with sounds, but today we are stripping
:56:10. > :56:19.it back again. It all comes back to the acoustic guitar for you. Yes, I
:56:20. > :56:27.think so. And you play in a way that you pluck it? You can see how
:56:28. > :56:36.technical I am! So you are playing Latitude, and what are you doing
:56:36. > :56:45.now? We are doing a lullaby version of our song called Nothing Arrived.
:56:45. > :56:51.Sophie Raworth will be back next Sunday morning, and Andrew Marr will
:56:51. > :57:01.be taking his next big interview before the summer break. Here are
:57:01. > :57:05.
:57:05. > :57:09.# Savanna scatters and the seabird sings # So why should we fear what
:57:09. > :57:19.travel brings? # What were we hoping to get out of
:57:19. > :57:22.
:57:22. > :57:32.this? # Some kind of momentary bliss?
:57:32. > :57:34.
:57:34. > :57:43.# I waited for something, and something died # So I waited for
:57:43. > :57:53.nothing, and nothing arrived. # It's our dearest ally, it's our
:57:53. > :57:59.
:57:59. > :58:09.closest friend # It's our darkest blackout, it's our final end.
:58:09. > :58:10.
:58:10. > :58:20.# My dear sweet nothing, let's start anew # From here all in is just me
:58:20. > :58:28.
:58:28. > :58:38.and you # I waited for something and something died # So I waited for
:58:38. > :58:43.
:58:43. > :58:53.nothing, and nothing arrived # Well I guess it's over, I guess it's
:58:53. > :58:54.