:00:33. > :00:41.Good morning. Here we are in Brighton. Labour traditional in this
:00:41. > :00:47.at least, a seaside conference just like the old days. But it hasn't
:00:47. > :00:50.been altogether easy for the party lately, with the slithery backbiting
:00:50. > :00:55.and the old poison of the Blair-Brown era all over the front
:00:55. > :00:58.pages. As you enter the town, there is a very prominent sign for what I
:00:58. > :01:02.think is Britain's largest reptile rescue centre. You get it, I'm not
:01:02. > :01:06.even going to bother to make the joke.
:01:06. > :01:10.It's a big political morning, and I'm delighted that to review the
:01:10. > :01:13.papers today we have two of the big political hitters. Matthew Parris,
:01:13. > :01:18.Times Columnist and The Guardian's Polly Toynbee.
:01:18. > :01:22.Imagine just for a moment that you are Ed Miliband. Every morning you
:01:22. > :01:28.get up to the most terrible kicking from the media. You are told you are
:01:28. > :01:31.useless, you're a fratricidal loser, the voters don't like you, your
:01:31. > :01:35.party has no policies. And that's on a good day. Quite a tough gig. But
:01:35. > :01:40.Labour does have some huge questions to answer. Not least about its
:01:40. > :01:44.comparative blank sheet of paper on policies - a sheet this week they're
:01:44. > :01:47.starting to fill. And on their relations with the trade unions.
:01:47. > :01:51.Really, when it comes down to it, who's boss here? You'd expect us to
:01:51. > :01:55.have Ed Miliband in the hot seat, and I'm delighted to say we do.
:01:55. > :01:58.We'll be talking about tax, welfare, the minimum wage, Europe and
:01:58. > :02:03.shameful behaviour last time Labour was in power. Labour delegates
:02:03. > :02:06.arriving here in Brighton will be greeted by a big red digital
:02:06. > :02:08.billboard which proclaims: "Saving the NHS, Fighting Austerity,
:02:09. > :02:15.Railways in Public Hands, Scrapping Trident." As the screen turns green,
:02:15. > :02:20.the billboard says "Brought to you by the Green Party." The local MP
:02:20. > :02:23.here in Brighton is the former leader of the Greens, Caroline
:02:23. > :02:27.Lucas, who says that she, not Ed Miliband, is "the true Opposition in
:02:27. > :02:32.Parliament". Woody Allen's career has been
:02:32. > :02:35.enjoying a golden autumn. At the age of 77, he's been experiencing the
:02:35. > :02:39.kind of commercial and critical success that he hasn't seen since
:02:39. > :02:42.the Seventies. Cate Blanchett is his latest leading lady in the
:02:42. > :02:47.compelling Blue Jasmine - a stunning performance in what may be Allen's
:02:47. > :02:51.first political film. I'll be talking to her later about Woody,
:02:51. > :02:55.Bob Dylan, and elves. All that and more coming up soon. First, the news
:02:55. > :03:01.with Naga Munchetty. Thanks very much Andrew, good
:03:01. > :03:03.morning. Reports from Kenya say army reinforcements are pouring into a
:03:03. > :03:08.district of Nairobi where Islamist gunmen are holding hostages at a
:03:08. > :03:11.shopping centre. The militants, from the Somali group Al-Shabab, attacked
:03:11. > :03:15.the complex yesterday, killing at least 39 people and wounding more
:03:15. > :03:20.than 150. Witnesses say the gunmen identified non-Muslims and shot them
:03:20. > :03:23.on the spot. The Foreign Office says it believes a number of British
:03:23. > :03:31.people have been caught up in the violence. Ben Geoghegan has this
:03:31. > :03:36.report. Kenyan security forces are still locked in a stand-off with the
:03:36. > :03:42.gunman. There are reports that the attackers are holding hostages. The
:03:42. > :03:49.massacre at the shopping mall has left at least 39 dead and up to 300
:03:49. > :03:55.injured. Amongst them Kenyans, Americans, Canadians and Britons,
:03:55. > :03:57.although we do not know how many. There are undoubtedly British
:03:57. > :04:01.nationals caught up in this and we There are undoubtedly British
:04:01. > :04:07.should be ready for that and aware of that. Hundreds of people fled in
:04:07. > :04:13.terror when the attack began admin day yesterday. Witnesses say men
:04:13. > :04:18.dressed in black with masks on walked into the building and started
:04:18. > :04:21.shooting. A militant Islamic group called al-Shabab has claimed
:04:22. > :04:30.responsibility for the group, it says it is retribution for Kenya 's
:04:30. > :04:32.role against its in Somalia. Staff at this hospital in Nairobi were
:04:33. > :04:36.role against its in Somalia. Staff overwhelmed by casualty, treating
:04:36. > :04:45.more than 100 people, some had a narrow escape. We tried escaping and
:04:45. > :04:52.they threw the grenade. Particles entered into my hand and leg. Many
:04:52. > :04:56.people were injured. This morning Kenyan troops and police are still
:04:56. > :05:03.outside the shopping centre. There are reports that as many as ten
:05:03. > :05:06.gunmen are pinned down inside. Labour has set out plans to make
:05:06. > :05:08.large companies train British apprentices if they hire foreign
:05:08. > :05:13.workers from outside the European Union. The party says the scheme
:05:13. > :05:18.could create 125,000 training posts over five years. The policy
:05:18. > :05:21.announcement comes at the start of the party's autumn conference in
:05:21. > :05:24.Brighton. Ed Miliband, the Labour leader, has accused the Prime
:05:24. > :05:27.Minister of going on a "victory lap" as the economy recovers, despite
:05:27. > :05:32.falling living standards. Our political correspondent Ross Hawkins
:05:32. > :05:38.has this report. Party leaders tend to get a warm
:05:38. > :05:42.reception from their own people at their own conference. Ed Miliband
:05:42. > :05:51.tried to confuse Labour members here. The party has admitted making
:05:51. > :05:55.mistakes on immigration in government. Now they will argue that
:05:55. > :06:00.this is an issue not just of border controls but of economics. So the
:06:00. > :06:05.party says it will make companies train an apprentice for each skilled
:06:05. > :06:10.worker they are from outside the European union. The CBI has already
:06:10. > :06:14.warned that could lead to read take. And the maximum fine for flouting
:06:14. > :06:20.the minimum wage is proposed to be increased. But despite the fun
:06:20. > :06:30.fire, not everyone is convinced by his judgement. A survey suggests
:06:30. > :06:37.that almost one third of Labour Party attendees think that he is
:06:37. > :06:40.doing a good job leading the party. Germans have started voting in the
:06:40. > :06:44.country's first general election since the European debt crisis began
:06:44. > :06:50.four years ago. The chancellor Angela Merkel is fighting to win a
:06:50. > :06:53.third term in office. She leads the Christian Democrats, who are on
:06:53. > :06:56.course to remain the biggest party, but faces the prospect of having to
:06:56. > :07:02.negotiate a coalition with new partners.
:07:02. > :07:05.The number of NHS Trusts in England failing to meet targets for Accident
:07:05. > :07:08.and Emergency waiting times has more than doubled in the last year,
:07:08. > :07:12.that's according to the regulator Monitor. Between April and June, 31
:07:12. > :07:16.Trusts failed to meet their target of seeing patients within four hours
:07:16. > :07:18.of their arrival. Just 13 Trusts missed their waiting time
:07:18. > :07:22.commitments over the same period last year. The Department of Health
:07:22. > :07:28.says it's already announced funding to address the issue.
:07:28. > :07:30.A court in the Chinese city of Jinan has found the former politician Bo
:07:30. > :07:34.Xilai guilty of corruption, accepting bribes and abuse of power.
:07:34. > :07:38.The Chinese politician was once tipped to become the country's
:07:38. > :07:42.leader. He has been jailed for life in what's been the most high-profile
:07:42. > :07:45.court case in China for decades. Bo was removed from office earlier this
:07:45. > :07:49.year after his wife was convicted of arranging the murder of the British
:07:49. > :07:53.businessman, Neil Heywood. That's all from me, for now. I'll be
:07:53. > :08:04.back with the headlines just before ten o'clock. Back to you, Andrew.
:08:04. > :08:09.Thank you. Now to the papers. They are divided between those who think
:08:09. > :08:11.the Labour Party is interesting and those who think it is too boring to
:08:11. > :08:17.be on the front pages. The Sunday those who think it is too boring to
:08:17. > :08:27.Times has a story about Alistair Campbell. And Labour has a black
:08:27. > :08:34.hole in its budget according to that newspaper, anyway. The Mail on
:08:34. > :08:44.Sunday has more on the sex secrets of poison spin doctor. The
:08:44. > :08:48.Observer, which has a leak of the main Labour Party policies, has
:08:48. > :08:52.nothing on the conference on the front page at all which I think will
:08:52. > :08:58.disappoint Ed Miliband. It has gone with that terrible attack in Nairobi
:08:58. > :09:04.and climate change story. The Sunday Telegraph, its political editor has
:09:04. > :09:10.just been hired by Ed Miliband as one of its key press people. The
:09:10. > :09:14.headline, stop clobbering the rich. And then all the papers who do not
:09:14. > :09:21.much care about the Labour Party conference. The Sunday Mirror has Ed
:09:21. > :09:31.Miliband on the front page but it is mostly about Simon Cowell. And then
:09:31. > :09:38.19 from Eastenders, secret battle with depression. And the Sunday
:09:38. > :09:46.express have gone with Diana, again. And with me to review the papers are
:09:46. > :09:50.Polly Toynbee and Matthew Parris. We should start with Labour Party
:09:50. > :09:55.politics. And the Sunday Times. Labour plans have 27 ruling pounds
:09:55. > :10:01.black hole, that in the Sunday Times. That is according to the
:10:01. > :10:07.Treasury report. Sailing a little close to the wind. Conservative
:10:07. > :10:11.ministers have asked the Treasury to cost Labour 's spending plans. And
:10:11. > :10:17.half of that actually is the key. Labour said they would cut that. For
:10:17. > :10:22.those who want to win, we want the Labour Party to win, the really bad
:10:22. > :10:28.news is not all this fighting about the past but that Ed Miliband seems
:10:28. > :10:33.to be arriving in a cloud of parents commitments. You would not expect
:10:33. > :10:38.the Treasury to announce this black hole. It came out through a Freedom
:10:38. > :10:43.of information request. Some journalist must been tipped off by
:10:43. > :10:49.the Conservative to demand to see this Treasury research. And of
:10:49. > :10:55.course when you look at the detail, they have pulled together any
:10:55. > :11:07.criticism that Labour has ever made and said, that is a pledge. They
:11:07. > :11:11.have said it is absolutely I'm spending commitments. That is a
:11:12. > :11:19.little bit of a slur on the Treasury. They have been reasonably
:11:19. > :11:25.careful. I do think the Treasury is not political. And then the whole
:11:25. > :11:32.thing of creating a document and then you can tipped off the press to
:11:32. > :11:40.ask for it. But the public will just see that black hole. The Sunday
:11:40. > :11:47.Mirror is probably the only reliable one on that. It says Labour are
:11:47. > :11:51.still technically ahead of the polls but they are sliding. And it is that
:11:51. > :11:59.credibility question that is important. A good piece on the same
:11:59. > :12:04.theme in the Observer, saying that he has to watch out for the attack
:12:04. > :12:10.dogs that are really going to go for him. The Lynton Crosby spin Doctor
:12:10. > :12:15.operation in the Conservative party knows that Labour values are miked.
:12:15. > :12:21.The Tory party is still the Nasty Party. The one-week point is Ed
:12:21. > :12:28.Miliband and they have been going for the personal. The Sunday Times
:12:28. > :12:33.today, almost the whole paper is the Lynton Crosby attack mechanism.
:12:33. > :12:40.Whether he would be Prime Minister, if he won the election, so we can be
:12:41. > :12:52.forgiven for taking an interest! The Sunday Times has a bit of a hatchet
:12:53. > :13:04.job. They start out by criticising the spoke suits. He is an MP. And
:13:04. > :13:14.they say he has little experience of personal hardship. A devastating
:13:14. > :13:19.series of opinion poll questions. Has Ed Miliband made it clear what
:13:19. > :13:24.he stands for? And then talking about an aggressive election. Isabel
:13:25. > :13:29.he stands for? And then talking Oakeshott who wrote the piece says
:13:29. > :13:33.it is unclear specifically what he is referring to and he will not
:13:33. > :13:41.elaborate. Most of the aggression seems to have been coming from
:13:42. > :13:45.Labour! The Sunday Times today is exemplary of what an aggressive
:13:45. > :13:52.collection would look like. Devoid of any information except to say
:13:53. > :13:58.that he is a horrible. And the story on Alistair Campbell. He is now
:13:58. > :14:04.campaigning on alcohol excess in this country. He is doing a lot of
:14:04. > :14:12.good work these days but he could not resist moving into this. That
:14:12. > :14:16.law breaking story seems to be extremely technical, something to do
:14:16. > :14:25.with computers. I do not think that story is going to go anywhere. When
:14:25. > :14:31.a pterodactyl fight, one starts and is now all the others are breaking
:14:31. > :14:38.out. Tessa Charles against Gordon Brown. There is nothing worse that
:14:38. > :14:45.anyone could think about Labour, the spin off operations, there is no
:14:45. > :14:50.lower level to sink to. I do not think there is any more mileage in
:14:50. > :14:55.this for the Tories. People already know how bad things were. We knew it
:14:55. > :15:03.at the time and it was being reported at the time. The main
:15:03. > :15:10.debate, was Damien met ride so drunk that he fell asleep before having
:15:10. > :15:15.sex with a Labour minister, or not! The Mail on Sunday are rubbishing
:15:15. > :15:22.the principal star of the Daily Mail! A strange battle going on
:15:22. > :15:30.between these titles. The Daily Mail bid against the Mail on Sunday and
:15:30. > :15:32.they both end up the price for this frightful Damian McBride stuff. And
:15:32. > :15:43.they are competing against each other. Lets see if we can find
:15:43. > :15:47.something else. The thing in every other paper, virtually, is climate
:15:47. > :15:51.change. I was going to do something else, but we will go with climate
:15:51. > :15:55.change. Climate change is the real world, all of this pales into
:15:55. > :16:00.insignificance in comparison to the real story. Climate scientists
:16:00. > :16:03.dismiss sceptics with stark warning. This is the
:16:03. > :16:09.intergovernmental panel on climate change, all of the world's leading
:16:09. > :16:13.scientists with a report next week saying it is much worse than we
:16:13. > :16:19.think and the climate change deniers have been winning the argument, that
:16:19. > :16:22.moving from 5% of people, only 5% of people not believing in climate
:16:22. > :16:28.change, it is now 19% in this country, which is quite frightening.
:16:28. > :16:32.The Nigel Lawson lobby, a lot of the lobbying is fed by the petrol
:16:32. > :16:37.companies. There is a piece in the same paper by Will Hutton about
:16:37. > :16:42.climate change. I must say as a columnist, we pile in. Will Hutton
:16:42. > :16:49.is not a meteorologist and nor am I, but the whole thing becomes
:16:49. > :16:52.totemic. The left are believers in climate change, the right or not.
:16:52. > :16:57.They think that fracking is a good thing, the left don't, but we are
:16:57. > :17:04.not signed his. What Will Hutton says is that once the great
:17:04. > :17:07.majority, when 95% of the scientist in the world said, those of us who
:17:08. > :17:14.are not scientists should believe it. Another big political story is
:17:14. > :17:17.Angela Merkel, facing a huge election in the coming days, and she
:17:17. > :17:24.matters and the enormous amount to us. Yes, big story. In the Sunday
:17:24. > :17:28.Telegraph, very much following on from your excellent documentary. It
:17:28. > :17:35.is rather a reminder of how little coverage we do of actual internal
:17:35. > :17:39.European... Other countries. We know very little about Germany. It is an
:17:39. > :17:43.election, we have a blast of information and then it will all go
:17:43. > :17:47.away, apart from arguments between us and them. She is not doing as
:17:47. > :17:51.well as everyone said she would. It is good news for Ed Miliband. When
:17:51. > :17:56.the press say you are finished, it is all over. It usually isn't, the
:17:56. > :18:07.press said she would storm ahead and she isn't. She is a remarkable
:18:07. > :18:12.woman, hardly highly likely to win. And going back to the UKIP story.
:18:12. > :18:16.Yes, apparently the UK Independence Party is not going to seek a pact
:18:16. > :18:19.with the Conservative party after the next election. Dan Cheek, to
:18:19. > :18:24.think that the Conservative party was going to be asking them for a
:18:24. > :18:31.packed --a damp cheek. It is like Robert Mugabe promising to send
:18:31. > :18:35.advisers to the candidates of the American US election. It is very
:18:35. > :18:45.sweet of them! I wonder if the media have made too much of Slutgate.
:18:45. > :18:51.Speaking I don't think so, if one of your MEPs speaks like that, it is
:18:51. > :18:54.indicative of the mood in the party. And it does not help the idea of any
:18:54. > :18:59.coalition. One story we should touch And it does not help the idea of any
:18:59. > :19:11.is Kenny, a terrible, huge attack. Matthew Connolly you know this well
:19:11. > :19:17.-- tenure. The Al Shabab group have killed lots of people. It Kenya,
:19:17. > :19:20.lots of people killed had not been terrorists and it seems like the Al
:19:20. > :19:31.Shabab people conducted a grisly quiz in which they asked people what
:19:31. > :19:35.the name of Mohammed's mother was. And if they knew the name, they were
:19:35. > :19:41.not killed, and if they didn't, they were. Awful thing. Grisly stuff.
:19:41. > :19:46.Right, I think we have finally run out of time. There is one last
:19:46. > :19:53.little thing. This is in the Sun, and it is Ed Miliband's two little
:19:53. > :20:00.boys. The Sun says, go on, show that the Miliband brothers can play
:20:00. > :20:04.nicely! We need more of that. Thank you, we will talk again right at the
:20:04. > :20:08.end of the programme. Meanwhile, the weather. It is grey outside the
:20:09. > :20:12.window but it is very mild as well. Some rain around elsewhere, I am
:20:12. > :20:13.told. Let's get the picture from Helen Willetts.
:20:13. > :20:19.Good morning. It is quite grey for a Helen Willetts.
:20:19. > :20:23.lot of us this morning but at long last, the sunshine is starting to
:20:23. > :20:29.break through, with cloud also and today, it will be warm. But as you
:20:29. > :20:33.pointed out, this is the weather front in the North giving quite a
:20:33. > :20:35.lot of rain in the Northern Isles, but you can see the sunshine coming
:20:35. > :20:40.through in the East of England. We but you can see the sunshine coming
:20:40. > :20:43.do still have some fairly thick pockets of fog around so it is a
:20:43. > :20:47.slow improvement, and the south coast, the Irish Sea coast, that
:20:47. > :20:52.will be prone to that of low cloud, so inland is the best of the
:20:52. > :20:57.sunshine and with that sunshine, we had 23 yesterday, possibly the odd
:20:57. > :21:02.24 today, but even on the coast with the grey weather, it will be 18 or
:21:02. > :21:07.19. The rain continues in the far north and overnight, the mist and
:21:07. > :21:10.the low cloud returns, no change in temperatures but the fog is
:21:10. > :21:15.therefore the rush-hour tomorrow as well, so some tricky conditions for
:21:15. > :21:17.a time. It will last until mid-morning and then it does
:21:17. > :21:22.brighten up, like today, and it will be warm in the sunnier spots with
:21:22. > :21:24.settled weather until Tuesday, but from the midweek on, these weather
:21:24. > :21:28.systems start to encroach and it looks much more unsettled from
:21:28. > :21:33.Wednesday on. Make the most of the settled weather.
:21:33. > :21:37.Many thanks. The Prime Minister Wen said he wanted to lead the greenest
:21:37. > :21:40.Government ever. You may have noticed you don't hear so much about
:21:40. > :21:44.that now, ministers are more preoccupied with the economy. Growth
:21:44. > :21:49.and recovery means building more houses, roads, bigger airports and,
:21:50. > :21:54.of course, fracking. The local girl from Brighton Pavilion is the Green
:21:54. > :21:57.MP Caroline Lucas, who joins with. You drive into Brighton and you see
:21:57. > :22:01.the big advert saying we are the party against austerity and cuts,
:22:01. > :22:10.and it is not the Labour Party, it is the Green Party. It is quite a
:22:10. > :22:13.bold assertion, that you have one MP yourself and they have quite a lot.
:22:13. > :22:16.Yes, a little bit cheeky but there is a serious point and that is that
:22:16. > :22:18.on a whole range of issues, whether it is bringing the rail back into
:22:18. > :22:22.public ownership, opposing austerity and not signing up to the spending
:22:22. > :22:25.cuts for the next year and Labour have said they will stick to those
:22:26. > :22:33.if they form the next Government, when it is to do with really...
:22:34. > :22:38.Scrapping Trident, £100 billion, there is no opposition from Labour.
:22:38. > :22:41.You are positioning ourselves as the most left wing, rather than the
:22:42. > :22:45.Green Party, as it was in the old days, and it could be dangerous,
:22:45. > :22:47.because the whole argument about climate change is being lost by your
:22:47. > :22:50.because the whole argument about side of the argument at the moment.
:22:50. > :22:54.because the whole argument about I think those are two different
:22:54. > :22:58.things, with respect. The other parties are now coalesced into a
:22:58. > :23:03.grey, murky centre that it is not difficult to be to the left of that
:23:03. > :23:04.and have been to the left means promoting social justice and
:23:04. > :23:09.and have been to the left means grid environmental protection, I am
:23:09. > :23:12.happy. But the climate change agenda is a very real one and this
:23:12. > :23:16.Conservative Government, that promised to be the greenest ever,
:23:16. > :23:20.has been ripping up commitments to climate change. Part of the reason
:23:20. > :23:25.is there hasn't been the predicted rise in global temperatures,
:23:25. > :23:30.post-1998, that the IPCC originally suggested. If you read different
:23:30. > :23:34.papers can you get different views, that the Arctic ice has grown more
:23:34. > :23:37.than they predicted, and so on, so a lot of people think, do I need to
:23:37. > :23:43.worry so much and do I need to change my behaviour in the way I
:23:43. > :23:47.thought I needed to five years ago? 98% of scientists that study this
:23:47. > :23:51.are absolutely agreed that climate change is caused by humans and it is
:23:51. > :24:01.getting worse. This is going to be at the centre of the next
:24:01. > :24:04.intergovernmental report that comes out next week. It is complicated and
:24:04. > :24:06.we talk about the eyeshades getting broader, they may well be but they
:24:06. > :24:09.are also getting thinner. The point is that those scientists who know
:24:09. > :24:12.the stuff inside out say it is getting very much worse, and that
:24:12. > :24:16.means we need to be taking action now and when you have a Chancellor
:24:16. > :24:20.who says things like we will not save the planet by putting Britain
:24:20. > :24:21.out of business, that is such a misunderstanding of what we face,
:24:21. > :24:24.out of business, that is such a because what we should be doing is
:24:24. > :24:30.putting a massive investment into green energy efficiency. That is not
:24:30. > :24:34.diverging from the deficit, it is creating thousands of jobs up and
:24:34. > :24:40.down the country. You have been apprehended by the forces of law and
:24:40. > :24:46.order of fracking, which is not as damaging as other ways of generating
:24:46. > :24:50.energy. Nobody would say it was a sensible response to climate change.
:24:50. > :24:54.They don't say is is a good solution to climate change. In America, they
:24:54. > :25:07.use fracking but all of their call is being exported so the net effect
:25:07. > :25:10.is much work -- worse. If we go then the fracking rude, it undermines the
:25:10. > :25:14.message to green investors in energy, and we will not get the
:25:14. > :25:19.reduction is quick enough. In tough times, it is harder to get the Green
:25:19. > :25:25.message through to people. Used Dell think you will have an MP by the
:25:25. > :25:29.next election -- do you still think? I hope people will judge me on my
:25:29. > :25:33.track record and I hope very much I will still be there to fight for the
:25:33. > :25:40.key issues that I have been elected for, that we started this interview
:25:40. > :25:44.on. In the last European elections, the Green Party gained over 1
:25:44. > :25:47.million votes. That is a lot, and the polls are saying that in the
:25:47. > :25:52.European elections next year, under a proportional system, we are on
:25:52. > :25:58.12%, which the trouble the number of MPs. And you do not describe your
:25:58. > :26:01.female members as sluts. Thank you very much. Few actors have
:26:01. > :26:06.excelled in both serious and cinema blockbusters like Cate Blanchett.
:26:06. > :26:10.She won an Academy award for playing Katharine Hepburn, nearly bagged
:26:10. > :26:15.another plane Bob Dylan and yet also triumphed in the JRR Tolkien epics
:26:15. > :26:20.and as a gnat nutter in Indiana Jones. Her latest performance in
:26:20. > :26:24.Woody Allen's Blue Jasmine is a tour de force, playing a spoiled, super
:26:24. > :26:27.Woody Allen's Blue Jasmine is a tour rich woman whose gilded life
:26:27. > :26:34.implodes when her husband is exposed as abb ranking Forza -- as a banking
:26:34. > :26:40.fraudster. When I met her, I discuss what it was like to work with Woody
:26:40. > :26:44.Allen and how she may just win sympathetic. Apart from being a zero
:26:44. > :26:53.and such a great film-maker, he is an incredible dramatist -- auteur.
:26:53. > :26:58.He is in the vein of Bergman, the deep well of humanity that is masked
:26:58. > :27:02.by absurd situations. And so whether a character says or does sympathetic
:27:02. > :27:08.things is not of interest to me, and I don't think it is my job, to make
:27:08. > :27:12.people like the character. I think that is quite nauseating. But they
:27:12. > :27:16.have to engage, they have to be drawn in enough to keep with the
:27:16. > :27:20.film. They have do understand them, and it is a struggle with jasmine,
:27:20. > :27:23.she is an Upper Eastside princess and it is a struggle with jasmine,
:27:23. > :27:29.who falls from grace, so when she loses her own money and her social
:27:29. > :27:33.said, as you suggest, where is the sympathy? In the wake of the global
:27:33. > :27:37.financial crisis and the horrendous scandals like the Madoff Affair,
:27:37. > :27:42.there is an incredible weight of judgement that we bring when we see
:27:42. > :27:46.a character. And it is a very exposing role, you start composed
:27:46. > :27:51.and completely in control and you end up absolutely on the edge of
:27:51. > :27:56.disillusion, ravaged, and I wondered, this is not a role for a
:27:56. > :28:03.vain actress, if I can put it that way? No. By the end, no make up on a
:28:03. > :28:08.tour. No, that is probably a career killing decision, but nevertheless,
:28:08. > :28:14.the film is a finite thing! I always wanted to do something with
:28:14. > :28:21.my life. Energy. Shop and go to lunch and matinees. Go to charities,
:28:21. > :28:25.raise money for museums, schools, and with wealth, comes
:28:25. > :28:29.responsibility. It wasn't just mindless consumerism, like my
:28:29. > :28:36.so-called friends. But I won't say I dislike buying pretty clothes. Tip
:28:36. > :28:41.big, boys, because you get good service. People count on tips.
:28:41. > :28:48.Sunday, when you come into great wealth, you must remember to be
:28:48. > :28:51.generous. Mun said you used to be OK but you got crazy. And you talk to
:28:51. > :29:03.yourself. She is a woman on the verge. She is
:29:03. > :29:06.a despair broil cocktail of rage, fear and you understand why but she
:29:06. > :29:10.is on a cocktail of Xanax and alcohol. Vodka. Someone said it is a
:29:10. > :29:15.is on a cocktail of Xanax and good game to try and match the
:29:15. > :29:19.amount of vodka that you drink in the film. None of it as well.
:29:19. > :29:25.Dimension Woody Allen, clearly a great film-maker but as a director,
:29:25. > :29:29.how is he? -- you mention. Why is the experience is different from
:29:29. > :29:34.other directors? When you look at the line of investigation, when you
:29:34. > :29:38.add up his body of work, it is like each one is a chapter of the same
:29:38. > :29:42.novel, and there is a kind of atmosphere that they all share. Say
:29:42. > :29:48.you are joining the collected works, rather than single films? There is a
:29:48. > :29:52.privilege but also a danger in that. When he is dealing with his
:29:52. > :29:57.contemporaries, like Diane Keaton or Mia Farrow or the wonderful Dianne
:29:57. > :30:05.Wiest Sydney Pollack, those people who grew up with, they had the same
:30:05. > :30:06.energy. Perhaps not the deference that we have two Woody Allen there,
:30:06. > :30:10.and I think the danger is that we that we have two Woody Allen there,
:30:10. > :30:14.all revere him, he has now got a body of work, he is a serious
:30:14. > :30:22.film-maker that we can treat with kid gloves and a sacredness. That is
:30:22. > :30:26.dangerous. And it is not the way he works. I read he is not the way he
:30:26. > :30:33.works. I read actors and actresses if he doesn't like a scene. He is a
:30:33. > :30:40.stand-up comedian, that is his background and what I really
:30:40. > :30:44.relished with him, the brutality of the stand-up. It works or it
:30:44. > :30:49.doesn't, it is alive or it is dead. So you know when he doesn't like
:30:49. > :30:53.something and I don't want to be stroked as an actor. I much prefer
:30:53. > :30:58.somebody saying it is not working. It is a huge role in a very, very
:30:58. > :31:02.good film and already, the Oscar conversations have started. Is that
:31:02. > :31:07.they bore or does it excite you? It is never boring. It is a relieved to
:31:07. > :31:14.hear, rather than them saying, what are you wearing? Attract a relief to
:31:14. > :31:18.hear. But you make these things in the hope that people will see them.
:31:18. > :31:23.I am a theatre actor, you know when the seeds are empty... And you have
:31:23. > :31:29.often chosen some challenging roles. I'm not thinking of Lord of
:31:29. > :31:33.the Rings as much. I didn't know how to be an A. You have to find the
:31:33. > :31:40.challenge in everything. -- to Delph. The ears helped. What about
:31:40. > :31:45.the Bob Dylan film, that fascinated me. The transgender Bob Dylan, that
:31:45. > :31:51.was a big challenge. And I played Richard II. Maybe it is because I am
:31:51. > :31:55.tall, I get to play men. Film is quite a literal medium, so when Todd
:31:55. > :31:59.Haynes asked me to play a version of Bob Dylan, I thought, that is so
:31:59. > :32:07.strange, what a great thing to be asked, very theatrical. And so I
:32:07. > :32:09.left at that. In the same way as Jasmine, she has a theatrical sense
:32:09. > :32:16.of self, she is a strange woman with Jasmine, she has a theatrical sense
:32:16. > :32:21.a changed name and the way she speaks, it is all invented. And the
:32:21. > :32:28.mask drops. In a way, it is informed by the work I have been doing in the
:32:28. > :32:36.theatre. This is -- has this been the most challenging film role?
:32:36. > :32:45.Probably. You find a challenge in everything that you do. Obviously it
:32:45. > :32:53.is a Woody Allen film so somebody is going to go and see it. But it was a
:32:53. > :32:58.very complex camera and so I relished trying to go into every
:32:58. > :33:03.recess. Thank you very much. And Blue
:33:03. > :33:06.Jasmine goes on general release this Friday. Cate Blanchett used to live
:33:07. > :33:10.in this country, of course. And indeed very close to where we're
:33:10. > :33:13.sitting in Brighton. But we're here, obviously, for the Labour conference
:33:13. > :33:17.- a really crucial one as the party begins to set out its stall ahead of
:33:17. > :33:20.the 2015 general election. The leader of the Labour party, Ed
:33:20. > :33:27.Miliband, is with me. Welcome. Great to be here. This morning your party
:33:27. > :33:33.will be debating the union link. By the time of the next election, will
:33:33. > :33:39.that big voting power of the unions have gone? Well the party is about
:33:39. > :33:43.the cost of living crisis and how we face that. To do that we also need
:33:43. > :33:52.to change the kind of party that we are. We need to hear the individual
:33:52. > :33:55.voices of working people. They are affiliated to the party but I do not
:33:55. > :34:00.think that we properly hear their voices. The changes I am talking
:34:00. > :34:05.about our big changes that would make that happen. To come back to
:34:05. > :34:11.the question, will the voting power of the union bosses have gone by the
:34:11. > :34:21.next election? We're looking at how we address the consequences of the
:34:21. > :34:27.exchange that I am talking about. Tony Blair said he wishes he had
:34:27. > :34:30.done that. And the focus is on a huge change in our party. We are
:34:30. > :34:36.done that. And the focus is on a saying to people, we will ask you to
:34:36. > :34:45.make an act of choice to be part of the party so that you can have a
:34:45. > :34:52.voice. The question is, does a union leader say, I have got these number
:34:52. > :34:59.of votes. Does that carry on? It is about how we deal with the standard
:34:59. > :35:04.of living crisis. The changes to the party will make that happen. And
:35:04. > :35:07.there are issues about how the conference works and that of course
:35:07. > :35:12.will be looked at as part of the review. So at this stage we do not
:35:12. > :35:18.know the answer to what I was asking. Three months ago you said it
:35:18. > :35:22.was the end of the old politics. But it seems you're not clear as to how
:35:22. > :35:30.that will happen. I am absolutely clear. It is going to be happen --
:35:30. > :35:34.going to happen by linking to individual members of the trade
:35:34. > :35:41.unions. For politics the question is, do we hear the voices of
:35:41. > :35:46.ordinary people. I want to say to MPs that you should not be having
:35:46. > :35:50.second jobs, be accountable to shareholders rather than to the
:35:50. > :36:00.public. It is how we change the politics of Britain. And changing
:36:00. > :36:10.our party is a big part of that. Clearly the information you had
:36:10. > :36:14.about four Kirk was wrong. Do you own an apology about that? Nobody
:36:14. > :36:19.can be proud about what happened in Falkirk. We have closed down the
:36:19. > :36:26.scheme around which issues have been raised. Anybody looking at our
:36:26. > :36:31.scheme around which issues have been response to Falkirk would say, this
:36:31. > :36:37.is a party that has recognised some issues. It needs to change the way
:36:37. > :36:42.it works, and that is what we are doing. Yesterday you announced a
:36:42. > :36:46.policy on immigration which would allow big companies who need
:36:46. > :36:52.specialised workers from abroad, from India often, to bring them in,
:36:52. > :36:57.as long as they create an apprenticeship for each job they
:36:57. > :37:02.bring in. Let me set out what we are going to do. In the first year in
:37:02. > :37:07.office we will legislate for an Immigration Bill which has secure
:37:07. > :37:12.control of our borders, which cracks down on exploitation of workers
:37:12. > :37:17.coming here. And says to big companies that they can bring people
:37:17. > :37:22.in from outside the European union, but they have to train the next
:37:22. > :37:27.generation. It is about making our economy really work for working
:37:27. > :37:35.people and training people. That is how to tackle standards of living
:37:35. > :37:40.issues faced by so many families. Would your policy cut immigration? I
:37:40. > :37:46.do want to get immigration down overall. Are you concerned about the
:37:46. > :37:50.number of Romanians and Bulgarians who will soon be coming in? There
:37:50. > :37:56.are always issues about that, but that is going to be happening. One
:37:56. > :37:59.of the issues that we have as a country is that too often
:37:59. > :38:02.governments in both parties have country is that too often
:38:02. > :38:08.turned a blind eye to the fact that the minimum wage is not observed.
:38:08. > :38:16.Recruitment agencies are only hiring from abroad. They have just two
:38:16. > :38:24.prosecutions since 2010 for not paying the minimum wage. The maximum
:38:24. > :38:29.fine is £5,000. We have that now as a priority. We will crack down on
:38:30. > :38:36.those kind of practices by employers. Many good employers are
:38:36. > :38:40.poor those as much as you and I. You said you're going to strengthen the
:38:40. > :38:44.minimum wage. Are you also going to raise it? It starts with
:38:45. > :38:51.enforcement. But we also have to look at this issue. In this country,
:38:51. > :38:59.38 out of 39 months that David Cameron has been Prime Minister,
:38:59. > :39:02.prices have risen faster than wages. The National minimum wage is a great
:39:02. > :39:07.achievement of the last Labour government. I want to strengthen
:39:07. > :39:14.that, but do it in the right way. And do it in a one nation way. We
:39:14. > :39:19.are looking at two issues. One about the value of the minimum wage. And
:39:19. > :39:23.that would go up under Labour? The value has been falling back over
:39:23. > :39:30.time. And the second issue is whether the is a case in certain set
:39:30. > :39:37.is such as finance, to have a higher minimum wage. Why do I say that? The
:39:37. > :39:43.minimum wage must be set at a level where it is not going to cost jobs.
:39:43. > :39:50.That is really important. We need to do that... Just to go back to my
:39:50. > :39:55.question. Will the minimum wage go up under Labour? That is something
:39:55. > :40:05.that we are going to look at. That is extraordinary that you cannot
:40:05. > :40:17.say. I want to see the minimum wage go up over time. But I think it is
:40:17. > :40:20.really important. I cannot pluck out of the air the figure by Richard
:40:20. > :40:25.would go up, that would not be of the air the figure by Richard
:40:25. > :40:30.responsible. We are going to make the economy work in a different way.
:40:30. > :40:37.We are going to do that in a responsible way. We spoke about the
:40:37. > :40:41.Sunday Times splashed, the black hole identified by the Treasury
:40:41. > :40:49.report. One way to start to deal with that would be to look at
:40:49. > :40:53.raising taxes. But the Labour Party says that people earning up to
:40:54. > :41:01.£60,000 are not considered to be rich. Well let me be clear first,
:41:01. > :41:06.that nonsense story, we said that Labour would be borrowing more for
:41:06. > :41:11.day-to-day spending by 2016. The next Labour government will be
:41:11. > :41:16.facing different circumstances from the last. Times are going to be
:41:16. > :41:19.tough. I think Treasury ministers should be worrying about cost of
:41:19. > :41:25.living prices and not making up things about the Labour Party. Are
:41:25. > :41:33.you going to keep the cap on public sector wages going up? That is
:41:33. > :41:37.something to be looked at. We are conducting a review of government
:41:37. > :41:41.spending. And anything we come forward with has to be properly
:41:41. > :41:46.costed. We made a promise on the bedroom tax. Absolutely clearly
:41:46. > :41:51.tested. Closing the loopholes allowed by this government to create
:41:51. > :41:56.an economy that really works for working people. That is the
:41:56. > :42:01.difference that the Labour government would make. It is about
:42:01. > :42:05.making different choices on behalf of the British people. That is what
:42:05. > :42:11.is coming through at this conference. Different priorities,
:42:11. > :42:15.different choices. A Prime Minister who does not think about those at
:42:15. > :42:28.the top but how to help ordinary families. Just to address some
:42:28. > :42:33.specifics about tax. That people earning £150,000 should make a
:42:33. > :42:40.higher contribution. We will set out our tax plans at the election. On
:42:41. > :42:49.the issue of a tax on homes above £2 million, we want to bring in a new
:42:49. > :42:55.10p starting rate on income tax. We're looking at how that will be
:42:55. > :43:01.done at the principle is clear. We want to have different choices. I'm
:43:01. > :43:06.interested in income tax. The so-called mansion tax does not raise
:43:06. > :43:12.a huge amount of money but income tax dolls. You could put in a new
:43:12. > :43:19.rate of income tax for the very highly paid. Our opposition to the
:43:19. > :43:23.millionaires tax cut brought in by this government is clear. But as any
:43:23. > :43:28.responsible opposition, we will set out our tax plans at the election.
:43:29. > :43:35.This is my fridge, everything must be costed and clearly funded. That
:43:35. > :43:40.is what people expect from us. But the priorities of the country are so
:43:40. > :43:44.different. This government allows wages and living standards to be
:43:44. > :43:50.falling back and then congratulates itself on a great recovery. Are you
:43:50. > :43:55.personally minded to have a higher rate of income tax or not? We will
:43:55. > :44:06.set out our plans at the next election. We have spoken about the
:44:06. > :44:14.bedroom tax. How we will strengthen the minimum wage. Childcare hours
:44:14. > :44:19.extended. I think we are talking about the bread and butter issues
:44:19. > :44:25.facing the British people. The big issue in politics today, for
:44:25. > :44:31.generations in this country when the economy grew, the majority of people
:44:31. > :44:35.got better off. That vital link between the growing wealth of the
:44:35. > :44:39.country and family finances has been broken. The question is for the
:44:39. > :44:45.British people, is there a party that is going to tackle that. But
:44:46. > :44:53.how are you going to deal with this. That means minimum wage, a cap on
:44:53. > :44:58.public sector spending, and tax. You're absolutely right. It is about
:44:58. > :45:03.how we deal with it. It is about creating higher paid jobs in this
:45:03. > :45:07.country, and that is why the apprenticeship scheme is so
:45:07. > :45:12.important. I have given you that example on the bedroom tax. And also
:45:12. > :45:21.cracking down on vested interests, the train companies, for example.
:45:21. > :45:25.Another huge issue is Europe. There have been to arguments about the
:45:25. > :45:31.referendum. Some in the Labour Party say you should declare for an in-out
:45:31. > :45:36.referendum, and it creates huge problems for the Tories, you can say
:45:36. > :45:40.you do not have the vote Tory for a referendum, and other people say it
:45:40. > :45:45.is dangerous, because if you have a referendum, you may lose it. We have
:45:45. > :45:50.a very clear view. We think it is wrong to commit to an in-out
:45:50. > :45:55.referendum in four years' time. The reason I say that is the issue for
:45:55. > :46:00.the British people is jobs and living standards, so that is the
:46:00. > :46:04.issues we are taking. So you won't become pro-referendum before the
:46:04. > :46:09.election? We have said that a position to this and we will set out
:46:09. > :46:13.the position before the election. Another policy issue is education,
:46:13. > :46:18.are you in favour of the expansion of free schools? No, we would not be
:46:18. > :46:24.building more free schools. Would you close ones? No, I think if there
:46:24. > :46:28.are good schools operating, that should be allowed to carry on, we
:46:28. > :46:33.would make a judgement. But let me go on to the big issue about free
:46:34. > :46:38.schools in this country, which I think is really important to say,
:46:38. > :46:42.which is that is it driving up educational standards? What you have
:46:42. > :46:44.got is unqualified teachers in the classroom, and I think that is a
:46:44. > :46:47.problem. You have got free schools classroom, and I think that is a
:46:47. > :46:53.being built in areas where there are too many... Where there are already
:46:53. > :46:56.enough school places and you have a massive primary school. I think
:46:56. > :47:00.Birmingham has a free school, an Islamic free school, where all of
:47:00. > :47:08.the women involved Islamic not, have to wear the nijab, and the girls are
:47:08. > :47:13.segregated. Is it right that public money goes to that? I don't know the
:47:13. > :47:19.particular case, so I will not comment out of the blue. What about
:47:19. > :47:23.the general issue of the nijab? I think is being tolerant about people
:47:23. > :47:27.dressing the way they want to in terms of their religion or culture
:47:27. > :47:32.is an important part of Britain. If there are issues in public services,
:47:33. > :47:36.they should be looked at. I mentioned Damian McBride at the
:47:36. > :47:39.start of the programme. Was that a horrible shock when you open the
:47:39. > :47:43.papers or was there a sense of weary acknowledgement, remembering what
:47:43. > :47:49.went on? I think it is a reminder that we must have no factions in the
:47:49. > :47:56.Labour Party. And that is my absolute position. Do you look at
:47:57. > :48:01.this and say, no more, never again? I said that when I became leader and
:48:01. > :48:05.it is the way I run the Labour Party. You get different people's
:48:05. > :48:09.advice as the leader, as you may have noticed, and whatever views
:48:09. > :48:13.people have about that, I think people appreciate the way I have run
:48:13. > :48:18.this party on the basis of a unified party, not a disunited party, and a
:48:18. > :48:23.party that does not engage in all of those practices of the past. When
:48:23. > :48:27.all of that disgraceful business went on, and presumably you think it
:48:28. > :48:32.is disgraceful, did you know about it? I went to the levels of enquiry
:48:32. > :48:37.and was asked about this and I said it was a matter of public record
:48:37. > :48:41.that I was concerned about Damian McBride and I complain to Gordon
:48:41. > :48:47.Brown. Did you know what he was doing when you complain? I knew that
:48:47. > :48:48.they were inferences and briefings against colleagues and I don't think
:48:48. > :48:52.they were inferences and briefings that is the way politics should be
:48:52. > :48:56.practised. You know what it is like in politics, people tell you these
:48:56. > :49:00.things are going and you have enough suspicion that they are. I made it
:49:00. > :49:06.clear to God, I thought it was damaging to the -- I made it clear
:49:06. > :49:09.to Gordon, I thought it was damaging to the party. This is the way I run
:49:09. > :49:14.the party, learning the lessons of the past, whether it is the way we
:49:15. > :49:18.do politics, spending, attitudes we take to foreign policy, learning the
:49:18. > :49:22.lessons of Iraq. On all those issues, I think over the last three
:49:22. > :49:29.years, we have listened, we have learned and now we ready to lead. Ed
:49:29. > :49:34.Balls said it was a terrible period and we were all to much and we
:49:34. > :49:39.became too aggressive. Do you feel the same way? I am not sure I have
:49:39. > :49:47.ever been accused of being to match. That is a first, I will take that
:49:47. > :49:52.away. -- macho. There are definitely lessons to be learned from the past.
:49:52. > :49:56.You had terrible opinion polls ratings as a party and individual
:49:56. > :50:00.yourself, there is another thing in the Sunday Times, I don't want to
:50:00. > :50:06.rub it in too much, but are you a strong leader of the party? 62% say
:50:06. > :50:13.week. As Miller band made it clear what he stands for? 67% say no. --
:50:13. > :50:18.has Ed Miliband made it clear. Do you recognise you have a problem
:50:18. > :50:20.breaking through? I didn't come into the job because it was going to be
:50:20. > :50:24.an easy life, I did it because it the job because it was going to be
:50:24. > :50:29.was the right thing to do. So what have people out there about you not
:50:29. > :50:35.got yet? I will let other people judge that. The trouble is they
:50:35. > :50:39.aren't judging it unfavourably. The judgement will be made on General
:50:39. > :50:41.Election Day 2015, that is when the judgement will be made, but here is
:50:41. > :50:44.the way I have run my leadership of judgement will be made, but here is
:50:44. > :50:49.the party. I have looked at the issues the British people face. I
:50:49. > :50:53.started three years ago at this conference, talking about the
:50:53. > :50:57.squeeze on living standards. I have talked about how we need to change
:50:57. > :51:02.the economy, and all a it adds up to the central point, which is who is
:51:02. > :51:07.best placed to tackle the living standards crisis the country faces.
:51:07. > :51:14.That is the crisis. Polls go up and down, and the cost of living goes up
:51:14. > :51:19.and up living families, and that is my focus. If I was being cruel, I
:51:19. > :51:21.would say your polls go down and down and then. The real question is,
:51:21. > :51:25.what is going wrong? You laid out down and then. The real question is,
:51:25. > :51:28.all the messages you have described you have sat back and been
:51:28. > :51:33.thoughtful and yet somehow, it is not connecting with the public. Is
:51:33. > :51:38.it simply a media conspiracy? What is it? I don't think it is a
:51:38. > :51:41.conspiracy. It is about a party that lost office three years ago, we are
:51:41. > :51:43.trying to do something unprecedented, which is to be a one
:51:43. > :51:47.trying to do something term opposition. That is top, I
:51:47. > :51:51.didn't take it on because I thought it would be an easy fight, I knew it
:51:51. > :51:55.would be tough but I think we can win and I am up for the fight,
:51:55. > :51:58.because the stakes are so high at this election, the stakes are so
:51:58. > :52:04.hyper young people who want a job, the people living standards are
:52:04. > :52:07.being squeezed -- high for young people. This isn't good another
:52:07. > :52:13.Briton, this is something we can do better. -- this isn't good enough
:52:13. > :52:17.for Britain. What can be done? We will spend the next 20 months up
:52:17. > :52:21.till the next General Election talking about the issues that
:52:21. > :52:25.Britain faces, showing we we are a credible opposition and we can
:52:25. > :52:29.create an economy that works. And we will show how Labour has changed,
:52:29. > :52:31.learned lessons from the past, like on immigration. The way I am talking
:52:31. > :52:35.today, you would not have got that on immigration. The way I am talking
:52:35. > :52:42.from previous leaders, it is a party that is moving on. Your policy today
:52:42. > :52:43.would increase immigration slightly. The big question is whether you can
:52:43. > :52:51.cut it? That is wrong. It is about The big question is whether you can
:52:51. > :52:54.letting people who are in who are qualified and getting
:52:54. > :52:57.apprenticeships. No, it is the existing arrangements the people who
:52:58. > :53:00.are highly qualified. The only change we would make is that in
:53:00. > :53:07.addition, those companies who bring people in outside from the European
:53:07. > :53:11.Union, they also have to train a British person. That is the
:53:11. > :53:13.difference we are making, it is what businesses say to me around the
:53:13. > :53:16.country, that we cannot win if we businesses say to me around the
:53:16. > :53:21.are on a race to the bottom in skills. Bringing in a skilled
:53:21. > :53:25.workforce is no substitute for building a skilled workforce in
:53:25. > :53:29.Britain. Going back to the central question, can you pay for it? Can
:53:29. > :53:33.you say anything more specific about tax or how you are going to keep
:53:33. > :53:38.spending down? You promised to raise living standards and a lot of the
:53:38. > :53:42.people you promised it to work in the public sector, which will raise
:53:42. > :53:45.bills in the public sector. I have been very specific about how the
:53:45. > :53:51.Labour Government is facing tough times, we will not borrow more for
:53:51. > :53:54.day-to-day spending in 2016, it is a commitment but a tough commitment
:53:54. > :53:58.and we will make difficult choices. What you will see this week is
:53:58. > :54:00.different choices in pursuit of a Government that will stand up for
:54:00. > :54:02.different choices in pursuit of a the ordinary families in this
:54:02. > :54:08.country and tackle the number one issue they face, the cost of living.
:54:08. > :54:11.This has been an extraordinary interview, I have called you macho,
:54:11. > :54:15.I haven't asked you about your brother but I did see you with your
:54:15. > :54:19.family on the beach. That is not the sort of thing you wanted to do, is
:54:19. > :54:25.it? Speaking I loved bringing my family here. It is great spending
:54:25. > :54:28.time with you. -- I love bringing my family here, it is great spending
:54:28. > :54:33.time with you but even better to spend time with you, and it is a
:54:33. > :54:36.great support. We will talk more after the news. Thank you be joining
:54:36. > :54:38.us. Now over to Naga for the news headlines.
:54:39. > :54:42.Gunmen are still holding hostages at a siege in an upmarket Nairobi
:54:42. > :54:45.shopping centre nearly 24 hours after the violent attack began. The
:54:45. > :54:48.Red Cross says that 43 people have been killed and more than 200 have
:54:48. > :54:52.been wounded after gunmen opened fire in the mall. The Foreign Office
:54:52. > :54:57.has said it believes a number of British people have been caught up
:54:57. > :54:59.in the violence. A Somali Islamist group, Al Shabab, is claiming
:54:59. > :55:02.responsibility, saying that the attack is in retaliation for the
:55:02. > :55:10.presence of Kenyan troops in Somalia. Ed Miliband has said that a
:55:10. > :55:13.Labour Government would introduce an immigration bill in its first term,
:55:13. > :55:16.allowing companies to bring in highly skilled workers from abroad,
:55:16. > :55:21.providing they take on an equivalent number of British apprentices.
:55:21. > :55:25.Speaking on the Andrew Marr Show, the Labour leader said he wanted to
:55:25. > :55:28.see a rise in the level of the minimum wage.
:55:28. > :55:32.That's all from me for now. The next news on BBC One is at one o'clock.
:55:32. > :55:35.Back to Andrew and guests in a moment. But first, a look at what's
:55:35. > :55:39.coming up after this show. On Sunday Morning Live, do Muslim
:55:39. > :55:43.face veils deepened divisions in society? Why football chanting at
:55:43. > :55:47.Spurs has attracted the interest of the Prime Minister. And would you
:55:47. > :55:52.like your doctor to be a robot? ? Join me at ten o'clock.
:55:52. > :55:55.Ed Miliband is still here and we are joined by Polly Toynbee and Matthew
:55:55. > :55:59.Parris, welcome to you all. One thing we didn't talk about is last
:55:59. > :56:02.week, Nick Clegg made it clear that he could go into Government with
:56:02. > :56:07.you. Could you go into Government with him if the vote went that way?
:56:07. > :56:11.I want a majority Labour Government and that is what I am working for.
:56:11. > :56:15.Getting into this poker game of what might happen after an election, I
:56:15. > :56:20.don't think that is where people. I think the public want know from all
:56:20. > :56:23.parties, what they are doing to set out their stall to change the
:56:23. > :56:37.country. That is an insider thing, let's talk about... Do you think it
:56:37. > :56:40.is beyond the pale? I think he is an accomplice to what has happened, on
:56:40. > :56:49.taxation can help in its own range of things. -- health benefits and a
:56:49. > :56:53.range of things. Today is the first element of what you will see over
:56:53. > :56:57.the next 20 months. The press will get at you personally. How will you
:56:57. > :57:03.withstand that? How are you going to take it and how can you reverse it?
:57:03. > :57:06.I think I have seen a lot of that over the last three years! As I said
:57:07. > :57:11.to Andrew Garner you don't go into the job thinking it will be an easy
:57:11. > :57:15.life -- earlier, you don't go into the job thinking it will be an easy
:57:15. > :57:18.job and I think the British people make their own judgements and
:57:19. > :57:23.discount a lot of what they read in the newspapers. They make their own
:57:23. > :57:28.judgements about who can best serve their interests. Matthew. I'm sure
:57:28. > :57:33.you didn't have anything to do with the Damian McBride stuff, but can
:57:33. > :57:39.you look into your heart during that period and say to yourself that you
:57:39. > :57:44.were completely clean. Well, I think people who know me, Matthew, would
:57:44. > :57:49.say I am somebody who has never engaged in fact shinning and
:57:49. > :57:55.briefing, it wasn't my style of politics -- in faction. It is not
:57:55. > :57:59.something I would engage in. I'm deeply committed to the Labour Party
:57:59. > :58:03.and deeply committed to Britain and that is the way I have always
:58:03. > :58:05.approached my politics. And there is no kind of tacit agreement that
:58:05. > :58:10.approached my politics. And there is Damian McBride seemed to have with
:58:10. > :58:14.Gordon Brown, it needs to be done, but don't tell me? Absolutely not
:58:14. > :58:19.and we cannot have that. It diminishes politics in the eyes of
:58:19. > :58:21.the public, it diminishes politicians in the eyes of the
:58:21. > :58:26.public and it diminishes democracy and I have no tolerance for it.
:58:26. > :58:30.Thank you to all of you, we have run out of time. Join us again next
:58:30. > :58:33.Sunday at 9am, when I'll be interviewing the Prime Minister at
:58:33. > :58:38.the Conservative Party Conference in Manchester. I'll also be talking to
:58:38. > :58:43.the actor and musician Hugh Laurie. Until then, goodbye from Brighton,
:58:43. > :58:48.where it is as soft, warm and grey as a walrus's bottom.