:00:32. > :00:39.Good morning, welcome to some test Manchester, where the party
:00:39. > :00:44.conference season concludes with the Conservatives. Last week in
:00:44. > :00:46.Brighton, we were greatly entertained by the scurrilous
:00:46. > :00:51.revelations of the Labour spin doctor Damian McBride, who claimed,
:00:52. > :00:56.and can this be true, that is party conferences are nothing more than an
:00:56. > :00:59.orgy of alcoholism and debauchery. He is a thirsty fellow himself and
:00:59. > :01:05.said the conference was like being a naked rambler walking onto a nudist
:01:05. > :01:11.beach. So, Tory party, listen hard. He found himself waking up one
:01:11. > :01:15.morning, stark naked in bed, being wrestled by Ed Balls. Not a pretty
:01:15. > :01:20.picture. Conservatives, you have been warned. You can do better. Now,
:01:20. > :01:23.the leader 's speech is the centrepiece of every party
:01:23. > :01:27.conference. Joining me today to review the papers is a veteran of
:01:27. > :01:31.many a late-night rewrite, Phil Collins, former speech writer for
:01:31. > :01:37.Tony Blair and now a columnist in the times. Beside him, from The
:01:37. > :01:40.Spectator, Isabel Hardman, editor of the Coffee House blog. For David
:01:40. > :01:44.Cameron, the build-up for the conference has been relatively
:01:44. > :01:48.cheerful. The economy is recovering, the promise of a referendum means
:01:48. > :01:53.that his party is broadly at peace over Europe. The Prime Minister is,
:01:53. > :01:58.by definition, can never relax. The threat from UKIP continues. Tory
:01:58. > :02:02.grumbling about the coalition and labour's Ed Miliband touching a
:02:02. > :02:07.chord on energy prices last week. The party loyalists to want to know
:02:07. > :02:14.that when it comes to the next election, David Cameron is in it to
:02:14. > :02:17.win it, at a clear Tory, with a clear majority. David Cameron is
:02:17. > :02:21.here this morning and we will be talking about Europe, immigration,
:02:21. > :02:26.welfare and more. Perhaps what he needs is a plotting Blackadder or a
:02:26. > :02:30.smoothly wise Jeeves. Hugh Laurie knows about both characters. As
:02:30. > :02:36.Doctor house he became the highest paid actor in the world. Now he is
:02:36. > :02:39.reinventing himself as a soul singer and musician. I would like to say he
:02:39. > :02:44.is rubbish, but actually he is rather good. We will be hearing from
:02:44. > :02:48.him later on. We are playing no blues for the Tories, rather the
:02:48. > :02:52.latest big thing from the West coast of the USA, sisters guitar band
:02:52. > :02:59.HAIM. If you haven't heard of them yet, you will hear a lot more about
:02:59. > :03:04.them in the year ahead. Let's get the news with Bryony Shaw.
:03:04. > :03:07.The Conservatives, who begin their annual conference in Manchester
:03:07. > :03:11.today, are trying to highlight the policies that mark them as different
:03:11. > :03:15.from their rivals. The second part of the Help To Buy scheme, offering
:03:15. > :03:19.government guarantees to mortgages, has been brought forward to the next
:03:19. > :03:22.few weeks instead of next year as planned. It is the first of a number
:03:22. > :03:30.of policy announcements expected at the conference.
:03:30. > :03:33.We will get things on the economy, almost certainly we will get a big
:03:33. > :03:36.announcement on welfare. There is a sign that there was a sense of that
:03:36. > :03:41.in the papers the other day, perhaps introducing a workfare style scheme
:03:41. > :03:49.for those that are long-term unemployed. I think the mood in the
:03:49. > :03:52.party is relatively chipper, compared to last year. There is no
:03:52. > :03:55.question over David Cameron's leadership, the excitement over
:03:55. > :03:59.Boris Johnson has faded a bit. There is concern about UKIP and I think
:03:59. > :04:03.that is one of the questions that will be asked this week, what is the
:04:03. > :04:07.party going to do between now and the election to try to win back
:04:07. > :04:11.disaffected Tory voters who may be flirting with or have defected to
:04:11. > :04:14.UKIP. One of England's's most senior
:04:14. > :04:18.police officers has called for class A drugs such as heroin and cocaine
:04:18. > :04:22.to be decriminalised and says that drug addicts should be treated and
:04:22. > :04:25.cared for, rather than prosecuted. In a Sunday newspaper, the Chief
:04:25. > :04:32.Constable of Durham Police said criminals have made liens of pounds
:04:32. > :04:36.from supplying drugs. Controls or criminalisation? The issue of how to
:04:36. > :04:42.deal with class A drugs has long been a subject for debate. Mike
:04:42. > :04:46.Barton has joined a growing list of campaigners, politicians and police
:04:46. > :04:49.officers calling for an end to the outright ban. Speaking in the
:04:49. > :04:54.Observer, the Chief Constable of Durham Police compere is the UK war
:04:54. > :04:59.on drugs with the US alcohol prohibition of the 1920s. Both, he
:04:59. > :05:04.says, have given rise to organised crime and glamorised the role of
:05:04. > :05:08.gangsters. He suggests that addicts should be able to access substances
:05:08. > :05:11.like heroin on the NHS, instead of buying it illegally and putting
:05:11. > :05:14.billions into the hands of criminals. He claims providing
:05:14. > :05:18.controlled environments to take the drug would prevent the spread of
:05:18. > :05:24.hepatitis C and AIDS amongst needle users. His comments echo those made
:05:24. > :05:28.in the past by a number of senior British police officers and business
:05:28. > :05:33.leaders, such as Sir Richard Branson. Last year, a report by a
:05:33. > :05:36.group of MPs put forward the idea of a Royal commission to consider
:05:37. > :05:39.decriminalising drugs. But it was rejected by David Cameron, who said
:05:39. > :05:43.that drug use was coming down in Britain and the current policy was
:05:44. > :05:47.working. The Foreign Office has said it
:05:47. > :05:51.cannot rule out the possibility of further British casualties following
:05:51. > :05:55.the siege at Westgate shopping centre in Nairobi. A sixth British
:05:55. > :06:01.National has been identified amongst those killed in last week's attack.
:06:01. > :06:08.Kenya's Red Cross says that while 72 are known to have died, 61 are still
:06:08. > :06:13.missing. Eight Kenyan cleric, described as a leading recruiter for
:06:13. > :06:17.Al-Shabab, has said the attack was justified in an attempt to remove
:06:17. > :06:23.Kenyan troops from Somalia. He was speaking to BBC's And around the
:06:23. > :06:24.programme, which you can see tomorrow night.
:06:24. > :06:31.Leading Italian politicians are beginning urgent things to limit the
:06:31. > :06:34.crisis caused by the resignation of all five Cabinet ministers from
:06:34. > :06:38.Silvio Bill Scully's party. The coalition, which brought together
:06:38. > :06:42.the right and the left after an inconclusive election, has succeeded
:06:42. > :06:48.in tackling tweet convincing the market that it can tackle the
:06:48. > :06:53.problems. But Silvio Berlusconi's party relations seem to have broken
:06:53. > :06:57.down. Two men have been charged with murdering a mother and her teenage
:06:57. > :07:02.children at a fire in their house in Leicester. The men, aged 19 and 21,
:07:02. > :07:06.will appear before magistrates tomorrow. Seven people, including a
:07:06. > :07:10.16-year-old, have been charged in connection with the blaze earlier
:07:10. > :07:16.this month. That is all from me. I will be back with the headlines just
:07:16. > :07:20.before ten o'clock. Now, the papers. If you are
:07:20. > :07:25.interested in the Conservative Party conference, the best front page is
:07:25. > :07:28.the Sunday Telegraph, for you. Perhaps unsurprisingly, sort of an
:07:29. > :07:32.in-house paper. They have a story about foreign beggars and an
:07:32. > :07:38.interesting interview with somebody who wrote a book about the premise,
:07:38. > :07:42.saying he regrets the gay marriage law row and talking about his new
:07:42. > :07:45.mortgage scheme for struggling families. The Sunday Times has gone
:07:45. > :07:50.Bridget Jones mad, the devastating news is that Darcy is dead when the
:07:50. > :07:57.new book comes out. They have also gone with the cheap loans story as
:07:57. > :08:00.their splash. The Independent on Sunday, a slightly different take.
:08:00. > :08:06.They say that Tory donors are deserting the party to UKIP. That
:08:06. > :08:12.they have already spent £500,000 on the Eurosceptic party. The Observer
:08:12. > :08:16.has a story that will be causing a lot of comments today. One of the
:08:16. > :08:21.top UK police chiefs says it is time to end the war on drugs, by which he
:08:21. > :08:24.means decriminalising drugs to remove gang profits. There are many
:08:24. > :08:26.other stories, which I will not go into right now, because there is too
:08:26. > :08:30.other stories, which I will not go much to talk about with Phil Collins
:08:30. > :08:33.and Isabel Hardman. It is interesting, the left of centre
:08:33. > :08:39.papers have gone on last week and they are looking back at Ed Miliband
:08:39. > :08:44.because they have not been given much by David Cameron. It's an
:08:44. > :08:55.interesting contrast between The Telegraph and The Sun. The Telegraph
:08:55. > :09:03.gives us Cameron, and The Sun gives us Osborne. Not George Osborne, Ozzy
:09:03. > :09:09.Osbourne. The Telegraph, which is one I am going to pick up, the
:09:09. > :09:12.auction is on now for the general election. This is
:09:12. > :09:14.auction is on now for the general week's price freeze from Ed
:09:15. > :09:18.Miliband, which gets quite a good press in the Sunday papers. There is
:09:18. > :09:21.a whole load of things that the Tories are going to set out. There
:09:21. > :09:26.is a bit of knocking copy about labour, but there is lots about
:09:26. > :09:31.hard-working families. The bone Idol vote is being totally forgotten.
:09:31. > :09:37.What about those of us who are bone Idol? Those that do just enough, we
:09:38. > :09:48.are not featuring. This is not our conference we? The Daily Mail, they
:09:48. > :09:51.don't start talking about the conference until page six, talking
:09:51. > :09:56.about Ed Miliband being the new Neil Kinnock. They have a nice picture of
:09:56. > :09:59.them together on the next page. The Prime Minister has only decided
:09:59. > :10:03.everything is going to be fine, Ed Miliband is a complete joke, he is
:10:03. > :10:07.saying that at the start of his conference. He is knocking the
:10:07. > :10:11.energy bill price cap that he announced last week. But he's also
:10:11. > :10:16.making a big plea for Help To Buy, not a well liked policy amongst
:10:16. > :10:17.those that understand planning laws. The Sunday Times has a poll saying
:10:18. > :10:24.that 68% of people are in favour of The Sunday Times has a poll saying
:10:25. > :10:28.the price freeze? Yes, some very good analysis showing why being
:10:28. > :10:31.you'll Kinnock might be enough. It wasn't enough to win 35% of the vote
:10:31. > :10:39.when you'll Kinnock was Neal Kinnock. He is still Neil Kinnock.
:10:39. > :10:45.He is setting up the big question for this conference, what do they do
:10:45. > :10:50.about UKIP? Nigel Farage was the ghost that the Labour Party
:10:50. > :10:53.conference last week, he might deliver Labour victory. This great
:10:53. > :10:56.cartoon with Nigel Farage, standing in the background of a party, and
:10:56. > :11:01.David Cameron and George Osborne saying, what is he doing here? He
:11:01. > :11:05.will be the unmentioned ghost at the conference. He had a rotten
:11:05. > :11:09.conference on self, thanks to Godfrey Bloom. I don't think that
:11:09. > :11:13.will change what people think about UKIP. You can have as many strange
:11:13. > :11:18.people talking about as many strange things, but I don't think they care
:11:19. > :11:24.about those words. David Cameron might regard them as closet
:11:24. > :11:29.racists, fruitcakes and nutters... I think you will find there is quite a
:11:29. > :11:32.lot on immigration, cracking down on things that don't really happen,
:11:32. > :11:38.like benefits tourism. The best sorts of crackdowns, because they
:11:38. > :11:45.are instantly successful. There are some huge foreign stories. If you
:11:45. > :11:50.are interested in what happened in Kenya, what is the best newspaper?
:11:50. > :11:55.Outside in the world, history is unfolding. The Observer is the place
:11:55. > :11:59.to go to. Mark Doyle has been with African forces in southern Somalia,
:11:59. > :12:03.trying to fight back against Al-Shabab, the Al-Qaeda affiliate.
:12:03. > :12:07.It is a fascinating piece of reporting. It makes one important
:12:07. > :12:14.claim, he says that, far from being a splinter group in its demise,
:12:14. > :12:17.actually Al-Shabab is quite strong. The militia is tough and resilient.
:12:17. > :12:21.They are a more potent foe than most The militia is tough and resilient.
:12:21. > :12:26.of the coverage has so far said. A great piece of reporting, but also
:12:26. > :12:31.very depressing. Worrying. One of the big issues in Manchester is
:12:31. > :12:35.HS2, the high-speed rail line. You picked a story about that as well?
:12:35. > :12:39.This is the front page of the Observer, which has an interview
:12:39. > :12:44.with the Transport Secretary, who says that losing HS2 would be a
:12:44. > :12:49.complete disaster. Last week, the late party conference, Ed Balls
:12:49. > :12:55.started dropping hints that Labour might drop its support. And there
:12:55. > :12:59.are so many Tory backbenchers against it as well? Many of them are
:12:59. > :13:07.going to come together in a campaign to try to get the PM to drop it. The
:13:07. > :13:10.Tories think by branding in the north- south line, which isn't quite
:13:10. > :13:15.accurate because it stars in the south and goes towards the north,
:13:15. > :13:18.they think it will help. The economic benefits will come when it
:13:18. > :13:22.links together the cities in the north, although that is a long time
:13:22. > :13:27.in the future. But that's a better analysis than trying to get people
:13:27. > :13:31.living in the Chilterns to think it is a good idea. It's looking quite
:13:31. > :13:35.bad for HS2, I have to say. David Cameron has to come out and say he
:13:35. > :13:43.strongly supported and will not flinch? I think he does. If you
:13:43. > :13:47.say, this is my claim on the future, this is the kind of thing that a
:13:47. > :13:52.go-ahead country is to have, it is that sort of thing. You have chosen
:13:52. > :13:55.something about the violence against women in television. I think they
:13:55. > :14:06.are talking about some of our favourite dark winter night Nordic
:14:06. > :14:15.films? The Bridge? San Cleves, who has written the Vera Stanhope
:14:15. > :14:18.novels, she has said that the Scandinavian ones have got too much
:14:18. > :14:26.gratuitous violence, mostly against women. It's the classic problem.
:14:26. > :14:30.Steve Larsen's whole point is about violence against women. In trying to
:14:30. > :14:37.make that point, he depicts violence against women. She says that he has
:14:37. > :14:43.gone too far. That there is just gratuitous violence against women.
:14:43. > :14:47.We have seen the same thing in British produced shows. The Fall got
:14:47. > :14:52.a lot of criticism, very well produced, but a lot of people found
:14:52. > :14:57.it too much in the way it portrayed attacks on women. Then there is Top
:14:57. > :15:08.Of The Lake, which was pretty grim as well. It is always worse when
:15:08. > :15:13.songs or TV shows normalise attitudes like this. These shows are
:15:13. > :15:22.trying to raise awareness. There are songs like Blurred Lines, which I
:15:22. > :15:26.think is more insidious. Let's do a bit about Iran. I suspect that is
:15:26. > :15:30.the single biggest and most important political story in the
:15:30. > :15:34.world at the moment, isn't it? Following the phone call between
:15:34. > :15:42.President Obama and President Rouhani, he has returned to Teheran
:15:42. > :15:49.to be applauded by supporters, but pelted with shoes and eggs. Shoe
:15:49. > :15:55.pelting is a big thing over there. Sunni can you imagine what would
:15:55. > :16:04.have happened if he had met Obama? They think Iran is trying to
:16:04. > :16:08.increase the nuclear capacity. There is a risk that the US might be seen
:16:08. > :16:32.as taking a soft line because it is trying to open up talk is.
:16:32. > :16:42.David Moyes, the new manager of Manchester United, has had a poor
:16:42. > :16:48.time. It shows the pace that we pile pressure upon managers. Only
:16:48. > :16:54.five days ago was Arsene Wenger get in crisis and now they are top of
:16:54. > :17:10.the league. David Moyes has followed Alex Ferguson with his
:17:10. > :17:14.success. They lost to West Brom. They are having a very bad start to
:17:14. > :17:24.the season and it is very much to be commended. Isabel, a final story
:17:24. > :17:28.from you. It is the return of Bridget Jones. Mark D'Arcy is dead.
:17:29. > :17:38.That is dreadful if you have read the books. Another brick is coming
:17:38. > :17:43.out. Bridget Jones is now a single mother. Daniel Cleaver is now the
:17:43. > :17:47.godfather to her children. I read this when I was a teenager. I
:17:47. > :17:53.thought, I hope life is not like this when you become an adult. If
:17:53. > :18:00.my life is going bad, at least it is not as bad as Bridget Jones. Now
:18:00. > :18:15.that Mr Darcy has gone, she needs Mr Collins. Thank you for that.
:18:15. > :18:16.Well, Manchester wins the prize for the sunniest conference location so
:18:16. > :18:27.far. Now for the weather. Plenty of sunshine around the
:18:27. > :18:35.British Isles. I have thrown in some leaves for good measure. There
:18:35. > :18:40.will be a lot of winter today. There are exceptions to the rule.
:18:40. > :18:46.It is fairly dank across the northern isles and the Western
:18:46. > :18:54.Isles. The seven counties Again will see the chance of one or two
:18:54. > :19:01.showers. Top temperature around about 20, 21 Celsius. Overnight,
:19:01. > :19:10.the breeze was still be there and it will not be a chilly night.
:19:10. > :19:18.The general theme of the week - the first half of the week - high
:19:18. > :19:25.pressure to the north-east and low pressure from the North Atlantic.
:19:25. > :19:31.We may see some showery bursts of rain. In northern and eastern parts,
:19:31. > :19:35.they will stay drier for that bit longer but you will have the breeze
:19:35. > :19:40.to contend with. The further west you are, but warmer you will be.
:19:40. > :19:43.Having conquered US television as its most bankable and most enduring
:19:43. > :19:46.lead, Hugh Laurie has left behind the success of the hit series,
:19:46. > :19:50.House, and is back on the road playing his beloved blues.
:19:50. > :19:54.His passion for the music is such that acting will take second place
:19:55. > :20:00.for a while. His last album sold over a million. He is about to play
:20:00. > :20:04.Nashville and he is presenting a Radio 2 series on his musical
:20:04. > :20:08.odyssey. When he came into the studio recently, he told me why
:20:08. > :20:15.this album, Didn't It Rain is more loved-up than the last one. It is
:20:15. > :20:20.more romantic. We have more of a female sound to it. We had two
:20:20. > :20:26.wonderful singers, who lend a sort of glamour and romance to the thing.
:20:26. > :20:35.That was perhaps absence from the first record. -- absent. Blues is
:20:35. > :20:48.populated for much of the time by men hunched over guitars.
:20:48. > :20:57.I think of it as having originated really with women. The very early
:20:57. > :21:02.blues stars. The that makes it worse for you. You are not an
:21:02. > :21:09.elderly black man from Mississippi, nor are you an elderly black woman.
:21:09. > :21:17.I tick neither of those boxes. Do fill awkward about being a well-off,
:21:17. > :21:22.successful, White, an Englishman singing the blues? Some of those
:21:22. > :21:29.categories apply but not all. I do not think that any kind of music is
:21:29. > :21:36.off-limits to anyone. I do not think particularly that this kind
:21:36. > :21:40.of music is. There is something slightly condescending in a way in
:21:40. > :21:47.the idea that this music only has value if it is performed by people
:21:47. > :21:52.who have been through it. We have no exception to a Chinese pianist
:21:52. > :21:57.playing Rachmaninov and we do not mind a Nigerian singing Verdi
:21:57. > :22:03.because that is high culture. The only value this has is, I do not
:22:03. > :22:07.agree with that. It is America's great gift to the world and we
:22:07. > :22:30.would be foolish not to drink deeply.
:22:30. > :22:37.You love it so much that you gave up a possible television role for a
:22:37. > :22:40.while because you're out touring with this record. Are you on the
:22:40. > :22:48.edge of moving from being an actor to a musician? I may be beyond the
:22:48. > :22:52.edge. I made beat in the position of the Roadrunner cartoon, that I
:22:52. > :22:58.have gone off the cliff and and during that. We might be talking
:22:58. > :23:08.about a series of new albums rather than... I like to think in batches
:23:08. > :23:16.of six. I do not act on that. There were 167 episodes of House. I wrote
:23:16. > :23:20.a novel once. It was a specific genre of a novel and I thought,
:23:20. > :23:28.this will mean more when there are six of them. There is at only one.
:23:28. > :23:35.I think in batches of six. You say music may be a future but you are
:23:35. > :23:39.doing another film called Tomorrowland. It is science fiction,
:23:39. > :23:50.dystopian. How do you know that much? I know you are the baddie as
:23:50. > :23:58.well. It is George Clooney and myself. One is the hero. I am the
:23:58. > :24:04.baddie, yes. Meanwhile, the tour goes on. I never in my whole life
:24:04. > :24:11.thought I would be catching this sentence - my next show it is in
:24:11. > :24:17.Nashville. What a thing to say! It is so exciting. Do you have a
:24:17. > :24:24.different species of nerves going on to play a live concert? How do
:24:24. > :24:28.you know that? There is something much more exposing, I suppose,
:24:28. > :24:38.something much more vulnerable about music and the performance of
:24:38. > :24:45.music. My theory is that people become actors because they want to
:24:45. > :24:47.have masks and hide behind other identities. Music is generally
:24:47. > :24:51.about taking masks off and identities. Music is generally
:24:51. > :24:57.revealing more of yourself than one does in conversation. It is a very
:24:57. > :25:06.intimate and very vulnerable position to being. They do not hate
:25:06. > :25:11.the mask, they hate you. I am conscious of the fact I cannot play
:25:11. > :25:18.the piano as well as Jools Holland. I am going to try to overhaul him,
:25:18. > :25:24.obviously. I am not Daniel Day- Lewis as an actor. Perhaps I can
:25:24. > :25:29.played the piano better than Daniel Day Lewis and act better than Jools
:25:29. > :25:35.Holland. For that reason, it is all the more thrilling. You are doing
:25:35. > :25:39.yet more blues on Radio 2. I have been allowed the opportunity to
:25:40. > :25:44.tell my story, as it were. The music I love and the music that has
:25:44. > :25:50.influenced itself and has developed over the last 100 or so years.
:25:50. > :25:59.Sometimes we take a single song and followed its development. PG to DJ,
:25:59. > :26:03.as it were. Nicely done. And you can hear more from Hugh Laurie on
:26:03. > :26:06.Mondays at 10pm for the next five weeks on BBC Radio 2. All through
:26:06. > :26:10.his premiership, David Cameron has had the resurgent conservatism of
:26:10. > :26:15.UKIP on one hand and Lib Dems on the other. Does he feel master in
:26:15. > :26:18.his own house and does he yearn to shrug off the chains of Coalition?
:26:18. > :26:25.Well, he's with me now. Good morning. Can I start by asking you
:26:25. > :26:29.about something house, which is the terrible Al-Shabab incident in
:26:29. > :26:32.Nairobi? What have you been told about the possibility of similar
:26:32. > :26:35.attacks on British shopping centres? We had been looking at
:26:35. > :26:39.attacks on British shopping this for a long time. The appalling
:26:39. > :26:43.attack that happened in Mumbai in India. I chaired a whole series of
:26:43. > :26:47.meetings a few years ago but again this week to check we have
:26:47. > :26:51.everything in place to prepare for those sorts of attacks. We do not
:26:51. > :26:57.have intelligence that something is about to happen but it pays to be
:26:57. > :27:02.very, very prepared - very cautious, and to make sure we have everything
:27:02. > :27:12.in place recoup to deal with awful events like this. Are you concerned
:27:12. > :27:18.that so Malian -- so Malian based terrorists would come into this
:27:18. > :27:23.country? We are concerned and follow that. What it shows is we
:27:23. > :27:28.have to keep going against Islamist extremism. Whether that is people
:27:28. > :27:31.home-grown in our own country, whether that is extremism that is
:27:31. > :27:37.fermenting on the Horn of Africa, West Africa or in Afghanistan and
:27:37. > :27:40.Pakistan. It is the whole argument about why we need well-funded
:27:40. > :27:44.intelligence services come out why the need to share intelligence with
:27:44. > :27:50.others and why we have to be permanently vigilant. I take these
:27:50. > :27:57.as far as abilities incredibly vigilantly. I make sure of that
:27:57. > :28:02.everything is prepared. We do not have intelligence about anything
:28:02. > :28:06.imminent. When the attack happened in Mumbai and the attack in Kenya,
:28:06. > :28:11.any responsible government would look to see how they would cope
:28:11. > :28:15.with something like that. Can I move to the opposite extreme of the
:28:16. > :28:21.Islamist issue? There has been a huge amount of controversy about
:28:21. > :28:28.the fall Vale, should it be allowed in courts, in schools, should it be
:28:28. > :28:31.banned anywhere? I have a simple view. We are a free country and
:28:31. > :28:36.people should be able to wear whatever close they like in public
:28:36. > :28:40.or in private. We should support institutions which need to put in
:28:40. > :28:45.place rules so the institutions can work properly. For instance, in a
:28:45. > :28:53.school, if they want a particular dress
:28:53. > :29:06.A school put in place a uniform policy. It respected those people
:29:06. > :29:13.to break it and go even further. I backed the school. It had a uniform
:29:13. > :29:19.policy. The Government should back institutions that want a sensible
:29:20. > :29:24.policy. The judge thought there should be national guidelines on
:29:24. > :29:28.what happens in court. I am happy to look at that. In court,
:29:28. > :29:36.needs to be able to look at someone space. I have sat on a jury. When
:29:36. > :29:41.someone is coming into the country, an immigration officer needs to see
:29:41. > :29:46.someone's face. In a school, it is difficult to teach and as you can
:29:46. > :29:52.look at people's in the eye. Older people want to see the face of the
:29:53. > :29:59.person... It is a free country. A free country should have freed...
:29:59. > :30:01.If the Government needs to do more to back up institutions, I'll be
:30:01. > :30:16.happy to do that. the average family has lost about
:30:16. > :30:20.£5,000 per year since the coalition started. 63% of people back Ed
:30:20. > :30:24.Miliband on energy prices. What are you going to do to counter that? We
:30:24. > :30:31.need to make the big argument on living standards. The only way to
:30:31. > :30:36.increase living standards is to keep the recovery going, to keep creating
:30:36. > :30:40.jobs, to keep cutting the deficit, which keeps mortgage rates low, and
:30:40. > :30:43.keep on cutting peoples taxes. That is the way you give people more of
:30:43. > :30:47.their own money, into their own is the way you give people more of
:30:47. > :30:53.pockets, to spend as they choose. Under this government we have cut
:30:53. > :30:58.taxes by £700, because we have lifted the tax threshold. But, of
:30:58. > :31:03.course, that is not enough. You have to look at what else you can do.
:31:03. > :31:08.British Gas are raising prices 10%, the other utilities the same thing,
:31:08. > :31:14.and you are not doing anything about that? I don't want low prices for 20
:31:14. > :31:19.months, I want them for 20 years. We need to go to where why these prices
:31:19. > :31:23.are going up in the first place. We have to make sure that companies
:31:23. > :31:30.behave properly and put people on the lowest tariff. Regulation has
:31:30. > :31:33.largely failed. Even the Daily Telegraph says there is a cosy
:31:33. > :31:38.cartel of energy companies that needs to be broken up? There are six
:31:38. > :31:42.energy companies competing, better than what we had in the past. But do
:31:43. > :31:54.we wanted to be more? Absolutely. I don't say that all revelation is
:31:55. > :31:59.failing, but is this enough? No. -- regulation. The idea is for
:31:59. > :32:05.regulatory changes? We need to look at the markets and make sure that it
:32:05. > :32:10.is working for hard-working people. We have frozen the council tax, year
:32:10. > :32:14.after year. We have taken away Labour's land increases in petrol
:32:14. > :32:19.duty. You freeze those things, what is terrible about freezing energy
:32:19. > :32:22.prices? The problem is that it unravelled within about 12 hours,
:32:22. > :32:26.when the next day he said he might not be able to keep his promise. You
:32:26. > :32:30.need to look at the things that are causing the energy prices to rise,
:32:30. > :32:35.rather than dealing with the symptoms. You don't regard this as a
:32:35. > :32:40.terrible throwback to 1970s socialism? If you take the approach
:32:40. > :32:43.as a whole, it is anti-business, anti-enterprise, it is saying to
:32:44. > :32:48.companies investing in Britain, I am going to put up taxes, take your job
:32:48. > :32:59.somewhere else. That is the wrong approach. You said it was nuts?
:32:59. > :33:05.Well, I often use phrases... But it is nuts. Jaguar Land Rover is now
:33:05. > :33:12.making cars and putting -- selling them all over the world. He wants to
:33:12. > :33:16.put their taxes up. You think the opposition is nuts? I don't want to
:33:16. > :33:20.get into the argument of the mental health of it. I am not complacent
:33:20. > :33:26.about the recovery. We have a huge deficit to play down. The debt
:33:26. > :33:29.crisis is not over and it is linked to the problems in standard of
:33:29. > :33:33.living. We have to build the recovery, make sure it delivers for
:33:33. > :33:36.hard-working people. That is why we want to help people get that first
:33:36. > :33:40.apprenticeship, first job, first home, start the first business. But
:33:40. > :33:44.we need to get businesses to invest. We need to be
:33:44. > :33:49.pro-enterprise, pro-business. Taxing business is going to make sure the
:33:49. > :33:54.recovery is weaker and that is wrong. Ed Miliband came up with a
:33:54. > :33:57.couple of concrete proposals to help people on lower incomes. Don't you
:33:57. > :34:04.have to do more than you have done so far too much that? We always need
:34:04. > :34:07.to do more. I recognise that so far, as the economy has started to
:34:07. > :34:12.recover, it is still difficult for people to make ends meet. They see
:34:12. > :34:16.that the wages are relatively fixed. And yet prices are going up. That is
:34:16. > :34:20.why cutting peoples taxes is so important. That is why lifting
:34:20. > :34:24.people out of the first £10,000 of income tax is so vital. That is why
:34:24. > :34:27.freezing council tax matters. Let's not forget the issue about mortgage
:34:27. > :34:31.rates. If a Labour government came in and said it was OK to borrow
:34:31. > :34:36.more, spend more and tax more and the deficit goes up, interest rates
:34:36. > :34:39.go up, mortgage rates go up, that would wipe out any gain of anything
:34:39. > :34:44.that has done on any other price because mortgages are such a big
:34:44. > :34:50.part of family budgets. That is why so many people are worried, in the
:34:50. > :34:54.south-east, about a housing bubble starting to create inflationary
:34:54. > :34:59.pressures. I know George Osborne has turned to the Bank of England for
:34:59. > :35:05.advice. You are bringing forward your Help To Buy scheme. There is
:35:05. > :35:09.already a housing bubble, 97% help for individual families is a lot of
:35:09. > :35:13.money. Let's start with the state of the housing market. We asked the
:35:13. > :35:14.Bank of England for their assessment of the housing market and they said,
:35:14. > :35:18.expressly, there is not a bubble. of the housing market and they said,
:35:18. > :35:21.The housing market is recovering, but from a low base. If you look at
:35:22. > :35:26.prices outside London and the south-east, they are only going up
:35:26. > :35:30.by 0.8%. Talk of a housing bubble to people in Manchester and Salford and
:35:30. > :35:33.there were literally laugh in your face. The problem we are trying to
:35:33. > :35:38.deal with is this. Today, the average family cannot afford the
:35:38. > :35:40.average house. That is not a problem of the housing market, it is a
:35:40. > :35:47.problem in our banks and mortgage markets. And the supply, perhaps? I
:35:47. > :35:51.will come onto the supply. Right now, you cannot get a 95% mortgage.
:35:51. > :35:56.That means a typical family, with two people earning £25,000, they are
:35:57. > :36:03.being asked, to buy an average house, to find a £40,000 deposit.
:36:03. > :36:08.They can afford the mortgage payments, but they can't get the
:36:08. > :36:11.mortgage, they cannot either flat or house. As Prime Minister, I am not
:36:11. > :36:16.going to stand back while people's aspirations to get on the housing
:36:16. > :36:19.ladder, own their own home, are being trashed. That is why we need
:36:19. > :36:23.to act. That is why it is good news that we are bringing forward the
:36:23. > :36:27.Help To Buy scheme. I can tell you that NatWest, RBS, Halifax, are
:36:27. > :36:31.going to be putting forward these products. It is not something
:36:31. > :36:38.totally new in our economy. Most of our lifetimes and has been possible
:36:38. > :36:43.to buy a flat in a 10% deposit. It will only be people with a rich
:36:43. > :36:47.payments that can get on the housing ladder, if we don't do this. That is
:36:47. > :36:54.not the kind of country I want to live in. You have no worry about
:36:54. > :36:57.inflationary effects? The Bank of England advised that there is no
:36:57. > :36:59.housing bubble. We have given them the tools, for the first time in
:36:59. > :37:05.history, to report on these things, stop doubles from occurring. They
:37:05. > :37:09.can report back and comment on it. If they were involved in its design.
:37:09. > :37:13.We can put our trust in the Bank of England, particularly now we have
:37:13. > :37:16.given them everything they need to intervene if necessary. You have
:37:16. > :37:20.been talking about fairness, in effect. Both of the other parties
:37:20. > :37:24.are now in favour of a mansion tax on properties above £2 million. What
:37:24. > :37:28.is your view and can you be clear about what you do in government? I
:37:28. > :37:32.don't think this is a good idea. I want to live in a country where
:37:32. > :37:35.people work hard, they save, put money into their home, and I think
:37:35. > :37:39.it is right that people pay council tax, it is right people pay stamp
:37:39. > :37:44.duty and we will put that up. It's right people pay a decent top rate
:37:44. > :37:54.of tax, 45p in the pound in this country. But to go after somebody's
:37:54. > :37:59.house every year, with a wealth tax, I don't think that is fair. It is
:37:59. > :38:01.you that stopped us last time? I think wealth taxes have been tried
:38:01. > :38:04.in a lot of European countries and a think wealth taxes have been tried
:38:04. > :38:05.lot of them are repealing them because they are not good for
:38:05. > :38:10.lot of them are repealing them investment and enterprise.
:38:10. > :38:16.Post-election, no mansion tax if you are Prime Minister? That is correct.
:38:16. > :38:21.Stamp duty, yes. Council tax, yes. I think wealth taxes not sensible for
:38:21. > :38:24.a country that wants to attract wealth creation, wants to reward
:38:24. > :38:28.wealth creation and people that work hard and do the right thing. We
:38:28. > :38:32.asked if any of the net like's promises were real, come the next
:38:32. > :38:36.election, and in a coalition government you have to negotiate. I
:38:36. > :38:39.can ask you the same question, the polling suggests that if you come
:38:39. > :38:43.back to government it will possibly be in a coalition. We want to know
:38:43. > :38:46.how much you say will be negotiated away with the Liberal Democrats.
:38:46. > :38:50.Nick Clegg said he did stop you doing a lot of things in this
:38:50. > :38:55.government, is that right? We have 20 months to go before the election.
:38:55. > :38:59.I am convinced, not for my benefit but for the country's benefit, we
:38:59. > :39:02.need a strong governor Met that is properly accountable, so you see
:39:02. > :39:08.what goes in the manifesto either gets put in place or the Government
:39:08. > :39:09.asked to explain why it hasn't. I want a Conservative only government
:39:09. > :39:13.and I think that is right want a Conservative only government
:39:13. > :39:18.country. That is what I am going to go all-out for. I'm not going to
:39:18. > :39:22.speculate about anything else, because it is not what I want, not
:39:22. > :39:27.what I am planning and not what the country needs. Is it true that
:39:27. > :39:32.before the last election, you went through the constituencies one by
:39:32. > :39:36.one, concluded there was no possibility for an overall
:39:36. > :39:40.majority, and started to plan for a coalition? That is not how I
:39:40. > :39:43.remember it. I worked flat out before the election. I always
:39:43. > :39:49.thought was a tall order to do it in one go. We needed 130 seats, and we
:39:49. > :39:54.got about 100. We fell short. I was always hoping we could make it. When
:39:54. > :39:58.you are begin such a massive mountain to climb, you always know
:39:58. > :40:04.it will be tough. Is that story is false the idea that you have gone
:40:04. > :40:09.through, yourself, William Hague and George Osborne, went through the
:40:09. > :40:13.list... I certainly did not do that. I spent my entire time trying to win
:40:13. > :40:17.that election. I am sorry I didn't make it. I think we have the best
:40:17. > :40:20.result for the Conservatives in terms of gaining seats since 1931,
:40:20. > :40:25.but it was not enough. The right thing to do was to be responsible,
:40:25. > :40:29.recognise that the country was in crisis, a coalition was better than
:40:29. > :40:37.a minority government. You came very close. You're very big offer, as you
:40:37. > :40:41.said, was because Oliver Letwin had gone through the manifesto, line by
:40:41. > :40:46.line, trying to work out what could be a deal or a deal-breaker. If you
:40:46. > :40:49.asked people who were with me in that hotel room in central London, I
:40:49. > :40:53.think they were surprised by how rapidly I did react. That is because
:40:53. > :40:57.I slept on it, for about an hour, and I thought, what does the country
:40:57. > :41:05.need right now? It needs a stable, good government. I knew we could not
:41:05. > :41:10.do that in a minority Government. I didn't know at this stage that it
:41:10. > :41:14.would work. You had a good idea, there had been some preplanning? If
:41:14. > :41:17.you did the same operation now, you looked at the constituencies that
:41:17. > :41:21.are going to be battle ground constituencies, he would not
:41:21. > :41:27.conclude you could win a majority at the next election? I think the next
:41:27. > :41:32.election is wide open to win. 36 battle ground constituencies, where
:41:32. > :41:36.the UKIP vote will let Labour in? We have a huge battle. We have to
:41:36. > :41:37.persuade people that have gone to UKIP that they should come back
:41:37. > :41:40.because we are delivering for UKIP that they should come back
:41:40. > :41:44.hard-working people. The economy is recovering and we are on the right
:41:44. > :41:47.track. We have to persuade Labour voters that they used to be a home
:41:47. > :41:53.in labour for people that were pro-enterprise but wanted good
:41:53. > :41:59.public services. It is now an anti-enterprise party. Come to the
:41:59. > :42:02.Conservatives. People that usually vote Liberal, that you don't need
:42:02. > :42:06.that in order to have a compassionate country. I am in this
:42:06. > :42:09.to win it. I believe it can be done, I am passionate about running a
:42:09. > :42:15.Conservative only Government. Not for my own benefit, but because I
:42:15. > :42:18.think we need to go further and faster on the things that really
:42:18. > :42:22.matter, making a co-enterprise recovery, delivering on promises
:42:22. > :42:25.like cutting immigration, sorting out the welfare system, a revolution
:42:25. > :42:31.in our schools to give every young person a chance to get on. I think
:42:31. > :42:36.people talking about UKIP, and you have not mentioned Europe, your good
:42:36. > :42:41.friend Graham Brady wants to see the manifesto on which you are to a
:42:41. > :42:45.referendum and on which you can negotiate with European partners,
:42:45. > :42:50.before the European elections next year. Is he going to get that? There
:42:50. > :42:55.is more I can say. At this election you have been talking about, we will
:42:55. > :42:58.have a clear message. If you want a referendum, and in or out
:42:58. > :43:02.referendum, there is only one way to get it. That is to put me back in
:43:02. > :43:06.Number 10 Downing Street to deliver on my promise. A vote for any other
:43:06. > :43:11.party, including UKIP, will not deliver that. A lot of people that
:43:11. > :43:18.want that referendum wanted to leave Europe. That will be there choice.
:43:18. > :43:22.My goal is to renegotiate our relationship with Europe. How
:43:22. > :43:27.radically? Very radically. People have said it is not possible, they
:43:27. > :43:32.said you cannot cut the budget, I cut it, they said you can't veto a
:43:32. > :43:36.treaty, I did. They said we would never get out of the bailouts. What
:43:36. > :43:42.does radical mean? Does it mean ending the free movement of people
:43:42. > :43:46.through the EU? I am not going to go through, area by area. I will give
:43:46. > :43:50.you an example. One is changing the European Union as a whole. It has
:43:50. > :43:57.become too anti-competitive, anti-enterprise, to bureaucratic. It
:43:57. > :44:04.also means changing Britain's relationship. The phrase, seeking an
:44:04. > :44:08.ever closer union, it is not what the British people want and it is
:44:08. > :44:10.not what I want. Other people can sign up to a closer union, other
:44:10. > :44:21.countries, but it should not be in a sign up to a closer union, other
:44:21. > :44:25.closer union. That would mean a full treaty renegotiation? Yes, I am
:44:25. > :44:29.convinced one has to happen. People said, there will not be any treaty
:44:29. > :44:34.renegotiations, I think we have had three. A rewriting of our
:44:34. > :44:41.relationship with the rest of the EU? Yes. Can I give you another
:44:41. > :44:46.example, the European Court. Christopher Grayling said he wants
:44:46. > :44:49.to see Britain's Supreme Court genuinely supreme, wants to get rid
:44:49. > :44:50.of the Human Rights Act. That involves leaving the European human
:44:50. > :45:08.rights system. We can scrap the human rights act
:45:08. > :45:14.without altering the Convention on Human Rights. Do you agree we
:45:14. > :45:20.should leave the convention? We should look at the outcome we want.
:45:20. > :45:24.I am less interested in which conventional signed up to. I want
:45:24. > :45:30.to know, can we keep our country safe? Are able to checkout of our
:45:30. > :45:40.country people who have no right to be here, who threaten our country.
:45:40. > :45:43.-- chuck out. We need to put into our manifesto whatever measures
:45:43. > :45:49.need to be taken so we can get the effect we want - to have a greater
:45:49. > :45:51.ability to keep people safe. Aren't you interested in the
:45:51. > :45:57.constitutional position? There are you interested in the
:45:57. > :46:01.a range of options, as I have suggested in the past. You can
:46:01. > :46:07.write a British Bill of Rights, said that when cases go to the
:46:07. > :46:13.European Court of Human Rights, you have proper consideration. That is
:46:13. > :46:19.one possibility. We have some time to get it right before the
:46:19. > :46:23.manifesto. People should be in no doubt that in a Conservative only
:46:23. > :46:28.government led by Mick there will be the ability to run out of this
:46:28. > :46:32.country people who threaten us and our way of life. -- throw out.
:46:32. > :46:34.country people who threaten us and Let's go through the process at
:46:34. > :46:36.work out what is necessary to Let's go through the process at
:46:36. > :46:42.deliver the effects that we want. Let's go through the process at
:46:42. > :46:45.That would require a majority Conservative govern because the
:46:45. > :46:54.Liberal Democrats can stop you doing it otherwise. -- government.
:46:54. > :46:57.We have achieved a radical reform of the welfare system and the
:46:57. > :47:02.deficit reduction programme which has got us back on track. We will
:47:02. > :47:07.be remembering the record of Margaret Thatcher this week. She
:47:08. > :47:15.would look at school reforms. We have new schools in the state
:47:15. > :47:19.sector providing a great education. We have done great things. It is a
:47:19. > :47:27.radical government but there is more we could do. The Government of
:47:27. > :47:31.Margaret Thatcher was in favour of workfare. They did not manage to
:47:31. > :47:37.legislate on it. This is something we need to look at a webcam had to
:47:37. > :47:45.make sure that all parts of our welfare system, there is no more
:47:45. > :47:51.something for nothing. -- and work out how to make sure. We have
:47:51. > :47:58.capped welfare and cat housing benefit. There were crazy rules.
:47:58. > :48:05.Sometimes people could get £80,000 for one house in parts of London.
:48:05. > :48:10.In the overall balance of cracking down on public spending and dealing
:48:10. > :48:16.with the deficit, what about tax rises and spending cuts,
:48:16. > :48:19.particularly on welfare? There is a big squeeze coming on welfare and
:48:19. > :48:24.that is the Tories being unfair to people at the bottom. I do not
:48:24. > :48:29.accept that. The richest pay 10 people at the bottom. I do not
:48:29. > :48:36.times more than the poorest. That is Warri perturb things like stamp
:48:36. > :48:39.duty. -- we are doing things. We have to say to people, we are not
:48:39. > :48:44.going to go on putting up taxes. have to say to people, we are not
:48:45. > :48:50.The less of the deficit reduction programme, we can do that by
:48:50. > :48:53.continuing to bear down on spending. I want to see ask going on helping
:48:53. > :48:58.low-paid people to keep more of I want to see ask going on helping
:48:58. > :49:03.their own money to spend as they choose. 25 million people have a
:49:03. > :49:11.tax cut because of the lifting of the personal allowance. On gay
:49:11. > :49:13.marriage, do you regret doing that and the fury that happened? I do
:49:13. > :49:20.not. Britain is more fair and equal and the fury that happened? I do
:49:20. > :49:25.as a country in doing that. How do you know what was going to happen
:49:25. > :49:35.and the size of the row, you would not have done it? -- had to you
:49:35. > :49:40.known. I did not anticipate quite the for Rory. It has been difficult
:49:40. > :49:45.for some people to take on. I am not sure at the beginning we got
:49:45. > :49:50.across to people this was about marriages that could take place in
:49:50. > :49:56.registry offices. It was not about churches, synagogues and mosques.
:49:56. > :50:01.The principle of it. I am passionate about marriage. It is a
:50:01. > :50:06.great institution. It should be available to people who are Ardgay
:50:06. > :50:11.as well as those of us who are not. You are in favour of High Speed Two.
:50:11. > :50:21.Even the boss said it could cost more than £50 billion. There is a
:50:21. > :50:23.cut off point. £42.6 billion Dom macro this is the Government that
:50:23. > :50:32.cut off point. £42.6 billion Dom delivered the Olympics on time and
:50:32. > :50:40.on budget. -- £42.6 billion... HS two is going to happen? There are
:50:40. > :50:44.two points I want to get across. The West Coast Main Line is full.
:50:44. > :50:50.Do we build an old-style, Victorian one or do we build a high-speed
:50:50. > :50:55.line? People all over the country will worry that it will take up too
:50:55. > :50:59.much money. In the next Parliament we will spend three times as much
:50:59. > :51:04.on other transport projects as we dwell on this. It is not taking up
:51:04. > :51:09.an unfair share of the Budget. This time last year the conference was
:51:09. > :51:17.dominated by plebgate and the Andrew Mitchell incident. Ice did
:51:17. > :51:23.by him after these allegations took place. -- I stood by him. He stayed
:51:23. > :51:30.in the Cabinet but it did not work out. He was cut adrift a bit. These
:51:30. > :51:35.are very difficult issues to handle. When allegations are made and all
:51:35. > :51:40.the rest of it. There are always lessons to learn about how to
:51:40. > :51:44.handle them better. Right now there is a police investigation going on.
:51:44. > :51:51.These things should not go on and on and on. It is under way and it
:51:52. > :51:57.is not right for me to interfere. We have to await the outcome. Can
:51:57. > :52:01.he come back into the Cabinet? He is very talented and I am very
:52:01. > :52:05.sorry about all the things that have taken place. We have to let
:52:05. > :52:10.the investigation take place and then we can take it from there. Now
:52:10. > :52:15.over to Bryony for the news headlines. David Cameron has told
:52:15. > :52:20.this programme that he will not allow the introduction of a mansion
:52:20. > :52:23.tax if he is Prime Minister again after the next general election.
:52:23. > :52:26.Both the Labour and Liberal Democrat leaders are in favour of
:52:26. > :52:30.the move. He also defended his decision to bring forward the next
:52:30. > :52:34.phase of the help to buy scheme, which offers government guarantees
:52:34. > :52:38.for mortgages. He said he did not want to see people's aspirations to
:52:38. > :52:44.get onto the housing ladder being trashed. Reports from Kennea
:52:44. > :52:49.suggest intelligence warnings about Al-Shabab militants may have been
:52:49. > :52:52.ignored by authorities. Members of the parliamentary committee
:52:52. > :53:02.suggested they would explore the claims. A 6th British National has
:53:02. > :53:06.been identified amongst those killed. 72 people are known to have
:53:06. > :53:10.died and 61 people are still missing. The Foreign Office has
:53:10. > :53:14.said it cannot rule out the possibility of further British
:53:14. > :53:18.casualties. That's all from me for now. The next news on BBC1 is at
:53:18. > :53:22.1pm. Back to Andrew and guests in a moment. But first, a look at what's
:53:22. > :53:27.coming up after this show. The teachers' union says disruption in
:53:27. > :53:29.classrooms is growing and corrosive. Are we too soft on children
:53:29. > :53:40.behaving badly. Should pope John Are we too soft on children
:53:40. > :53:45.Paul II be made a saint? Join me at 10am. Thank you. Well the Prime
:53:45. > :53:47.Minister is still with me and we've been joined again by our paper
:53:47. > :53:51.reviewers, Isabel Hardman and Phil Collins. And we also have Este Haim,
:53:51. > :53:55.from the band of that name. You and your two sisters, you richly had
:53:55. > :54:00.your father and mother in the band as well. We were like the Von Trapp
:54:00. > :54:06.family of the millennium, if you will. How would you describe your
:54:06. > :54:11.music? I think our music is just fun. Be like to have a good time.
:54:11. > :54:18.We will have a good time with the very shortly. Among the areas we
:54:18. > :54:22.did not get around to was the TV debate one. In Scotland, they just
:54:22. > :54:26.saying you are afraid of facing up with Alex Salmond. Here, a lot of
:54:26. > :54:31.people wonder whether you would stop Nigel Farage being part of the
:54:31. > :54:38.leaders' debates. I want them to take place. I thought they took up
:54:38. > :54:42.to match in the campaign and perhaps they could start earlier.
:54:42. > :54:51.Alex Salmond would like to debate the SMP against the Tory Party was
:54:51. > :54:58.Scotland against England. What it should be is Alistair Darling and
:54:58. > :55:03.Alex Salmond, but he wants to change the question. I saw that one
:55:03. > :55:06.coming. The funny thing is you will be standing next to Nick Clegg, who
:55:06. > :55:09.will be working with for five years. be standing next to Nick Clegg, who
:55:09. > :55:14.As you approach the next election, you must have fleetingly discussed
:55:14. > :55:27.how your bread to lines might add up or not. -- red of lines. I tell
:55:27. > :55:30.him my aim is to put him out of a job and he understands that. That
:55:30. > :55:35.him my aim is to put him out of a works for Ed Miliband as well. It
:55:35. > :55:40.has been very peculiar. Do any of us think that Nigel Farage will be
:55:40. > :55:45.part of it? It should be about people who have a prospect of
:55:45. > :55:50.becoming Prime Minister. You think that Nigel Farage were not be our
:55:50. > :55:54.next Prime Minister? I do not think so. In the last election, the
:55:54. > :56:01.debates happen because I said, I will sign up for anything, I will
:56:01. > :56:07.go for it. You need that attitude. My only regret was, if you are
:56:07. > :56:11.leading a political party, the election campaign is when you want
:56:11. > :56:16.to get around the country and have arguments, debates and interviews.
:56:16. > :56:22.The whole election it was the run- up to the debate, the debate and
:56:22. > :56:27.the analysis of the debate. Do you think that Ed Miliband is a bit
:56:27. > :56:33.more formidable than you thought? I never underrate my opponents. I've
:56:33. > :56:39.faced Tony Blair, I've faced Gordon Brown, Harriet Harman briefly and
:56:39. > :56:45.now Ed Miliband. I have faced Kennedy, Campbell, Vince Cable and
:56:45. > :56:51.Nick Clegg. You never underestimate anyone in politics. You'd never are
:56:51. > :56:56.complacent. It is a tough battle turning the country around. It
:56:56. > :57:01.keeps us on our toes and makes us work harder. Competition is a good
:57:01. > :57:05.thing. That's all we have time for this morning. Thanks to the Prime
:57:05. > :57:10.Minister, and all my guests. Manchester is not the end of the
:57:10. > :57:16.road for the conferences. We have the SNP in Perth next month. We'll
:57:17. > :57:20.be back at the usual time next Sunday, and back on home turf, in
:57:20. > :57:22.our studio in London. I'll be looking back over the Conference
:57:22. > :57:25.season, talking to UKIP's leader Nigel Farage, author Robert Harris,
:57:25. > :57:28.and we'll hear from the actors Jim Broadbent and Lindsay Duncan too,
:57:28. > :57:31.about middle-aged love. Until then, a very good morning. And we leave
:57:31. > :57:47.you with Haim, and their song, The Wire.
:57:47. > :57:53.# You know I'm bad at communication. # It is hardest thing for me to do.
:57:53. > :57:54.# And they say it is the most important part.
:57:54. > :57:58.# That relationships go through. # And I gave it all away just, so I
:57:58. > :58:02.could say that well. # I know, I know, I know, I know.
:58:02. > :58:05.# That you're gonna be OK anyway. # You know there's no rhyme or
:58:05. > :58:08.reason for the way you turned out to be.
:58:08. > :58:11.# I didn't go and try to change my mind, not intentionally.
:58:11. > :58:15.# I know it's hard to hear me say it, but I can't bear to stay
:58:15. > :58:17.# And I just know, I know, I know, I know.
:58:17. > :58:19.# That you're gonna be OK anyway. # Always keep your heart locked
:58:19. > :58:22.tight. # Don't let your mind retire.
:58:22. > :58:26.# But I just couldn't take it. # I tried hard not to fake it.
:58:26. > :58:28.# But I fumbled it when it came down to the wire.
:58:28. > :58:31.# It felt right. # It felt right.
:58:31. > :58:33.# But I fumbled it when it came down to the wire.
:58:33. > :58:36.# It felt right. # It felt right.
:58:36. > :58:39.# But I fumbled it when it came down to the wire.
:58:39. > :58:42.# Does your imagination make you what you want it to be.
:58:42. > :58:45.# Because I'm sorry now for what I did.
:58:46. > :58:48.# But it came naturally. # And I gave it all away just so I
:58:48. > :58:51.could say. # That I know, I know, I know, I
:58:51. > :58:54.know, # That you're gonna be OK anyway.
:58:54. > :58:56.# Well, I try to keep myself together.
:58:56. > :58:59.# After all the opportunities. # Try to stay true to you and try
:58:59. > :59:02.to do. # What you wanted from me.
:59:02. > :59:05.# And I gave it all away just to hear you say.
:59:05. > :59:09.# That, well, I know, I know, I know, I know.
:59:09. > :59:12.# That you're gonna be OK anyway. # Always keep your heart locked
:59:12. > :59:19.tight. # Don't let your mind retire.
:59:19. > :59:23.# But I just couldn't take it. # I tried hard not to fake it.
:59:23. > :59:30.# But I fumbled it when it came down to the wire.
:59:30. > :59:33.# It felt right, it felt right. # But I fumbled it when it came
:59:33. > :59:35.down to the wire.