:00:35. > :00:41.Good morning. There has always been a vital, if unspoken, rule in
:00:41. > :00:46.British politics - don't, whatever you do, provoke the Daily Mail. They
:00:46. > :00:58.will have your most priceless assets off with a single bite. Ed
:00:58. > :01:05.Miliband, livid about the paper's agog, because the timing is
:01:05. > :01:12.extraordinary. This week a committee will decide whether to impose
:01:12. > :01:15.newspaper regulation. Will a single headline, the man who hated Britain,
:01:15. > :01:20.change Britain for good? The row has gone on for days and is bubbling
:01:20. > :01:23.away merrily in the Sunday papers as well, and to help pull back the
:01:23. > :01:27.curtains on what is going on, I'm joined by a trio of shrewd on
:01:27. > :01:32.servers. Journalist and bestselling writer Robert Harris, another
:01:32. > :01:37.journalist-novelist, Jane Moore from the Sun, and Labour's Tom Watson,
:01:37. > :01:41.scourge of newspaper proprietors. We are back on home turf in our regular
:01:41. > :01:45.studio this morning after three weeks away at the party conferences,
:01:45. > :01:48.and very interesting they were, too. The general election is now in
:01:48. > :01:51.sight, and all the parties are beginning to stake out their ground,
:01:51. > :01:57.and some real differences have opened up. Defying the pollsters,
:01:57. > :02:00.the Conservatives now think they can win a majority, and apart from
:02:00. > :02:05.economic recovery, tougher policies on welfare and immigration are a big
:02:05. > :02:08.part of their pitch. We will hear more on that from the Home
:02:08. > :02:13.Secretary, Theresa May, as she sets out plans for dealing with foreign
:02:13. > :02:16.criminals and illegal immigrants. Will her promise to scrap the Human
:02:16. > :02:22.Rights Act reassured traditionalists tempted by UKIP? Interesting,
:02:22. > :02:26.because its success is a big threat to Conservative hopes. Nigel Farage
:02:26. > :02:30.is here with me as well. Is his party, after a bit of a Horlicks of
:02:30. > :02:35.a conference, ready for the national stage? Also this morning, a new film
:02:35. > :02:42.about middle age and marriage set in Paris, actors Lindsay Duncan and Jim
:02:42. > :02:46.Broadbent reflect on Le Week-End. And staying with the
:02:46. > :02:50.French-speaking, the delightful singer Zaz will be singing live for
:02:50. > :02:55.us at the end of the show. All of that coming up, but first the
:02:55. > :02:57.news with Naga Munchetty. Good morning. American special
:02:57. > :03:00.news with Naga Munchetty. forces have carried out two separate
:03:00. > :03:05.raids in Africa targeting senior forces have carried out two separate
:03:05. > :03:09.Islamist militants. In Libya, US commandos captured an Al-Qaeda
:03:09. > :03:12.leader accused of the 1998 bombings of American embassies in ten and
:03:12. > :03:17.Tanzania. The leader of the Al-Shabab group was targeted in
:03:17. > :03:19.southern Somalia, but that raid appears to have failed. The man is
:03:19. > :03:21.suspected of being involved in appears to have failed. The man is
:03:21. > :03:28.month's attack in the Westgate shopping centre in Nairobi, which
:03:28. > :03:31.left at least 67 people dead. America has struck against one on
:03:31. > :03:35.the list of its most wanted terrorists. They have already
:03:35. > :03:40.offered $5 million for information leading to the capture of Anas
:03:40. > :03:44.al-Liby, a 49-year-old senior Al-Qaeda figure. He is wanted in
:03:44. > :03:50.connection with the bombings of the US embassies in East Africa in
:03:50. > :03:53.1998. More than 200 people died after twin bombs exploded at
:03:53. > :04:00.American missions in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam. Yesterday morning, a team
:04:00. > :04:03.of US commandos snatched him from the streets of Tripoli. A relative
:04:03. > :04:07.said he was returning from morning prayers when his car was
:04:07. > :04:12.surrounded. The Pentagon said he was now in lawful custody in a secure
:04:12. > :04:14.location outside Libya. Hours earlier, that same morning, US
:04:14. > :04:18.location outside Libya. Hours special forces had been in action in
:04:18. > :04:22.Somalia. A team of Navy SEALs approached the coastal town of ORR
:04:22. > :04:30.Way by speedboat before dawn. Their target was a senior Al-Shabab
:04:30. > :04:34.commander. A spokesman for the Somali Islamist group said they had
:04:34. > :04:38.repulsed the attack after a gun battle. Reports suggested the
:04:38. > :04:42.Americans were to abort the mission before they could capture their man.
:04:42. > :04:46.US officials were quoted as saying the Somali operation was carried out
:04:46. > :04:51.in response to the attack two weeks ago on the Westgate shopping centre
:04:51. > :04:53.in Nairobi. More than 60 people were killed during a four-day siege with
:04:54. > :05:00.ended with the partial collapse of the building. Al-Shabab said it
:05:00. > :05:03.carried out the attack in retaliation for Kenya's military
:05:03. > :05:08.intervention in Somalia. These American raids underline fears in
:05:08. > :05:14.the US and elsewhere that Al-Shabab could try to replicate its
:05:14. > :05:19.operations further afield. More than 50 people have been killed
:05:19. > :05:23.and at least 100 injured in an attack in Iraq. Pilgrims were
:05:23. > :05:27.targeted as they walked to a shrine in the capital, Baghdad. 40 more
:05:27. > :05:30.people were killed in separate attacks elsewhere. Iraq has seen a
:05:30. > :05:34.sharp rise in sectarian violence in recent months.
:05:34. > :05:37.Or than half of English schools are failing to provide pupils with an
:05:37. > :05:43.adequate religious education, according to inspectors. A report
:05:43. > :05:47.from Ofsted highlights each teaching and confusion about the purpose of
:05:47. > :05:53.the subject. It says students are being left with little knowledge or
:05:53. > :05:59.understanding of different faiths. Do you think science will explain
:05:59. > :06:02.all the miracles honour? Ofsted says religious education should provide a
:06:02. > :06:05.deeper understanding of the nature, diversity and impact of religion in
:06:05. > :06:10.the world. This Manchester school says it takes the subject seriously.
:06:10. > :06:15.It is about keeping it current. If I just pull out a load of Bibles every
:06:15. > :06:19.lesson, it is going to become samey, it is going to be like a boring
:06:19. > :06:27.lesson, so it is about staying on top of the news and putting it into
:06:27. > :06:30.a context they have seen themselves. But inspectors say that after its
:06:30. > :06:32.visits to 185 schools over a three-year period they found six out
:06:32. > :06:36.of ten were not realising the full potential of the subject. Their
:06:36. > :06:40.report said that many pupils leave school with scant subject knowledge
:06:40. > :06:44.and understanding. Teaching in primary schools was not good enough
:06:44. > :06:48.because of weaknesses in teachers' understanding of the subject. GCSE
:06:48. > :06:54.teaching often failed in the core aim of an enquiring, critical and
:06:55. > :06:57.reflective approach to religion. Ofsted urged the Government to
:06:57. > :07:03.consider removing the power of schools to decide the quantity and
:07:03. > :07:07.quality of religious education. It blamed the English baccalaureate or
:07:07. > :07:10.marginalising RE by ignoring the subject. A senior official said that
:07:10. > :07:17.it is not good enough when religion and belief play such a profound part
:07:17. > :07:20.in the day's world. Former Cabinet minister Andrew
:07:20. > :07:25.Mitchell has said that accusations that he called a police officer a
:07:25. > :07:28.pleb have taken a considerable toll on his family. The MP denied the
:07:28. > :07:32.claim but resigned as chief whip after the scandal list September.
:07:32. > :07:36.Eight people, including five police officers, have been bailed in
:07:36. > :07:41.relation to the incident. The CPS said it will now decide whether to
:07:41. > :07:44.bring charges. They should not conceal that it has
:07:44. > :07:50.been an extraordinarily difficult year and is a very considerable toll
:07:50. > :07:53.on my family and on me, but I have been getting on with looking after
:07:53. > :07:58.my constituents in Sutton Coldfield, and I would like to express my deep
:07:58. > :08:01.gratitude to them and to my many friends who have given me such
:08:01. > :08:06.trenchant support throughout this difficult time.
:08:06. > :08:09.A leading Conservative backbench MP has said he will try to force the
:08:09. > :08:13.government to hold an early vote on whether Britain should leave the
:08:13. > :08:17.European Union. Writing in a Sunday newspaper, Adam Afriyie has
:08:17. > :08:20.questioned the Prime Minister's promise to hold a referendum after
:08:20. > :08:21.the next general election, suggesting the public thought it was
:08:21. > :08:26.the next general election, a delaying tactic.
:08:26. > :08:30.That is all from me for now, I will be back with the headlines just
:08:30. > :08:34.before ten o'clock. Now, that Sunday newspaper you are
:08:34. > :08:38.hearing about is the Mail on Sunday, there is the front page, Prime
:08:38. > :08:41.Minister panicked as Tories bid to quit EU next year. It is an
:08:41. > :08:45.interesting story, we will be talking about it, one of the more
:08:45. > :08:49.substantive stories. There are not that many in the papers today. The
:08:49. > :08:53.Sunday Times, however, has an interesting one, Andy Burnham, the
:08:53. > :08:57.health opposition spokesman, is suing Jeremy Hunt for libel after
:08:57. > :09:01.eight weeks. This is quite extraordinary on lots of levels -
:09:01. > :09:06.politicians do not normally sue each other, it can be very expensive, and
:09:06. > :09:10.it is about Twitter. We will be talking about that later. We have a
:09:10. > :09:13.story about Malala Yousafzai being invited to the palace by the Queen,
:09:13. > :09:17.she is going to be interviewed by us next week, and she may be about to
:09:17. > :09:20.get the Nobel Peace Prize, the youngest ever recipient. The
:09:20. > :09:26.Observer has a story criticising the Daily Mail, and the Sunday
:09:26. > :09:30.Telegraph, perhaps for the first time and certainly not the last, has
:09:30. > :09:35.a story criticising the BBC! To talk about all of the stories and joined
:09:35. > :09:42.by Robert Harris, Jane Moore and Tom Watson. Timing is everything in
:09:42. > :09:45.politics, Andrew, and this week, after the Daily Mail has problem we
:09:45. > :09:51.had its worst ever week, on Wednesday the privy Council is going
:09:51. > :09:55.to discuss the proposals to reform the media, and the Independent has a
:09:55. > :10:01.very good piece over pages eight and nine explaining what is on offer
:10:01. > :10:04.there. All the series newspapers and leaders expressing a degree of worry
:10:04. > :10:10.about whether the Daily Mail story will contaminate the decision. Yes,
:10:10. > :10:13.I do not think it will. I think it diminishes the authorities of Paul
:10:13. > :10:17.Dacre, who were steadfastly opposed to Parliamentary reform, but I do
:10:17. > :10:20.not think it. Ministers trying to do the right thing, and there is
:10:20. > :10:24.probably a battle royale brewing over this. There are very few issues
:10:24. > :10:37.where all three of the main party leaders are united on an issue,
:10:37. > :10:39.where all three of the main party parliament unanimously supported it
:10:39. > :10:41.in both houses, and the press barons to finally said, we are not
:10:41. > :10:44.accepting your reforms. You are on the media committee and have had a
:10:44. > :10:46.real go at Rupert Murdoch and things, so do you think that press
:10:46. > :10:49.regulation will be rejected by the politicians. I think it probably
:10:49. > :10:52.will, but I don't know - I am not on that committee - and four me there
:10:52. > :10:57.are little quirks in the press model that would enable them to keep
:10:57. > :11:00.control over the process. They want to be able to appoint people to the
:11:00. > :11:04.panels that make decisions. When you think that the current arrangements
:11:04. > :11:09.are Paul Dacre chairing an ethics committee of the PCC, people will
:11:09. > :11:11.realise we need to move on. It has been a really bizarre week, and
:11:11. > :11:16.there is a certain amount of crawling over the ashes here. It is
:11:16. > :11:21.a very interesting one, because I completely get why Ed Miliband
:11:21. > :11:25.defended his father, I think we all would have done it in the same
:11:25. > :11:30.situation, I think the headline was pejorative. But they gave her right
:11:30. > :11:34.of reply, and to quote Ed Miliband himself, after the rather unseemly
:11:34. > :11:38.Damian McBride revelations, I think it is time to move on, I think he
:11:38. > :11:43.said. We are not like that anymore, blah blah blah, but that does not
:11:43. > :11:45.seem to apply here, and I think that the battle has been taken up
:11:45. > :11:53.politically is being run with for the reasons... What Tom Watson was
:11:53. > :11:57.talking about. Yes, but Peter Hitchens, in the Mail on Sunday,
:11:57. > :12:02.anyone would know he is quite right wing if they read his column... A
:12:02. > :12:05.patriotic Conservative Christian, I think he describes unsolved
:12:05. > :12:15.exclamation when I was 17, I was a Trotskyist, he says, but he has just
:12:15. > :12:18.basically... His father was never a Marxist or Trotskyist. If you read
:12:18. > :12:25.that bees, you might think it. He says here, but after he has had
:12:25. > :12:28.brushes with the press himself, he says he is still completely in
:12:28. > :12:35.favour of a rough edged, untamed press, because in my journey from
:12:35. > :12:37.Karl Marx to the Mail on Sunday, via Moscow and quite a few other places,
:12:37. > :12:41.Karl Marx to the Mail on Sunday, via I have learned to love liberty with
:12:41. > :12:45.my whole heart and you cannot have that without an change newspapers. I
:12:45. > :12:51.would say the Mail on Sunday clearly made a big mistake, sending a
:12:52. > :12:54.reporter to the memorial of Ed Miliband's uncle, but they
:12:54. > :12:59.capitulated immediately and apologise. To be fair, they thought
:12:59. > :13:03.it was a public event, they got it wrong. It is almost like social
:13:03. > :13:06.media are regulating the press, the Daily Mail have had such a pounding
:13:06. > :13:10.over this that you think it is almost regulation in itself. The
:13:10. > :13:14.Twitter storm has been amazing, Robert, you have chosen not the most
:13:14. > :13:19.impressive front page that the Observer has ever produced for us on
:13:19. > :13:27.the same theme. Daily Mail setting poor example to children, says top
:13:27. > :13:29.end. I call no story dead until a newspaper has to trot out a public
:13:29. > :13:33.school headmaster and a bishop to newspaper has to trot out a public
:13:33. > :13:38.keep it going! I must say, this is quite funny, the master of
:13:38. > :13:42.Wellington College has said the Daily Mail is setting a poor example
:13:42. > :13:47.to children, and the Bishop of Bradford has also joined in. The
:13:48. > :13:51.last piece I read by him was in the Daily Mail! This is when the story
:13:51. > :13:56.is coming to an end, we both remember from our days in the trade,
:13:56. > :14:02.and I think Anthony Seldon should look at the motto of the man whose
:14:02. > :14:09.Wellington College is named after, publish and be dammed! I think I
:14:09. > :14:13.sort of agree with you, it will be a sorry day if the press is regulated,
:14:13. > :14:17.but though the present arrangement may be, and I think you're right -
:14:17. > :14:28.the Daily Mail has taken a hell of a claw grip. -- clobbering. The PM in
:14:28. > :14:36.a panic, this is the Mail on Sunday, the front page, so they are saying
:14:36. > :14:39.that Adam Afriyie is going to amend legislation... Tory backbenchers
:14:39. > :14:43.trying to bring forward the referendum which the Prime Minister
:14:43. > :14:47.has promised after the election to next year, quite dramatic. I do not
:14:47. > :14:51.want to add to his panic, but I would probably support Adam Afriyie
:14:51. > :14:55.with this amendment. I thought, he would not have the votes for it,
:14:55. > :15:00.Labour will not support it, the Lib Dems, a minority of Tories would. I
:15:00. > :15:08.think a lot of people on both sides of the house think need we clarity
:15:08. > :15:10.on this now. The country has asked for it for a long time, business is
:15:10. > :15:12.saying there is a lot of for it for a long time, business is
:15:12. > :15:15.uncertainty, and parties have to draw up their manifestoes for the 20
:15:15. > :15:17.15th general election, and they will be very different, depending on the
:15:18. > :15:22.outcome of a referendum. We have got European elections next year. Could
:15:22. > :15:26.you see Ed Miliband coming towards a referendum on this? He has kept his
:15:26. > :15:30.options open, he could take that decision at a later date, but it
:15:30. > :15:41.would be down to him and Douglas Alexander. Now I am on the
:15:41. > :15:46.backbenches, I might supported. It is the sort of game changing move
:15:46. > :15:51.Ed Miliband could make, and if I were the Labour leader I would say
:15:51. > :15:56.that in 1975 we gave the people a referendum, we are not afraid of
:15:57. > :16:04.doing that on this issue, and we should do it. Would it be good
:16:04. > :16:09.strategy? He might lose the referendum. If that is what the
:16:09. > :16:14.people of Britain want, they have a right to let their voices be heard.
:16:14. > :16:18.Personally I think that once the combined weight of the media,
:16:18. > :16:21.business and party leaders get together, the vote will be to remain
:16:21. > :16:26.business and party leaders get in Europe with some degree of
:16:26. > :16:32.negotiation, personally, but I think it is all to gain for the Labour
:16:32. > :16:37.leader, certainly politically, in going for this. Nick Clegg is
:16:37. > :16:42.terrified of that prospect. James, let's turn to another big political
:16:42. > :16:51.story. The Mail on Sunday, secrets of the new FBI, a new 450 million
:16:51. > :16:57.story. The Mail on Sunday, secrets national crime agency announced by
:16:57. > :17:05.Theresa May. It says 5000 strong elite force, Keith Bristow the first
:17:05. > :17:13.director-general has gone all Hollywood on us - I want criminals
:17:13. > :17:23.to fear coming to our attention. I want the bottom to drop out of their
:17:23. > :17:29.world when they get arrested. They are going to be an elite squad that
:17:29. > :17:34.target this dark web of murky unregulated area of the Internet
:17:34. > :17:45.used by criminals. Does anybody know what the dark web is? The murky
:17:45. > :17:52.corners of the Internet. The areas of the Internet not searched by
:17:52. > :17:57.search engines. But again, this is very high end stuff and I keep
:17:57. > :18:01.whining on about it but I am all for more broken Windows policies as well
:18:01. > :18:10.which stops them eventually becoming criminal masterminds. Tom Watson, we
:18:10. > :18:18.need to talk about the Sunday Times, this strange but interesting story.
:18:18. > :18:23.It could be the first Twitter libel trial involving Andy Burnham and
:18:23. > :18:31.Jeremy Hunt. It is about a tweet we cannot read because it is presumably
:18:31. > :18:43.libellous. Yes, to do with Andy's record for secretary of state for
:18:43. > :18:48.health, and Andy has had enough. Is this the new mood in the Labour
:18:48. > :18:54.Party to be more aggressive and bullish about criticism from the
:18:54. > :18:58.media? I think people have got higher expectations of Jeremy Hunt.
:18:58. > :19:01.To accuse... Nobody goes into higher expectations of Jeremy Hunt.
:19:01. > :19:05.politics to want to cover up mistakes in the health service and
:19:05. > :19:10.it was a bit of a blow but it leaves the prospects of Lynton Crosby being
:19:10. > :19:18.in court having to explain their strategy for health. You are almost
:19:18. > :19:26.salivating! It would be very revealing. Hasn't Jeremy Hunt
:19:26. > :19:34.refused to take it down? Yes, this could go all the way. We could have
:19:34. > :19:39.half the Cabinet and the shadow cabinet in the dock. We have one
:19:39. > :19:43.more story, and then we need to talk about your book, which is why you
:19:43. > :19:49.are here, let's be honest! I suppose the most appalling for an story is
:19:49. > :19:58.the drowning of 300 migrants coming into Sicily. Awful pictures. Yes,
:19:58. > :20:09.having been rude to the Observer earlier, they had a very good double
:20:09. > :20:15.page on it and it is just appalling. The trail from Africa across to
:20:15. > :20:18.Libya, get on the boat run by the Mafia, tried desperately to land in
:20:18. > :20:24.Europe and you realise what globalisation means to the poorest
:20:24. > :20:28.people. In Libya, the chaos that has been forced after the Western
:20:28. > :20:33.intervention which we have all congratulate ourselves on deserves
:20:33. > :20:41.looking at because there appears to be a humanitarian disaster there as
:20:41. > :20:48.well. The choke has this -- is this little island. It is more important
:20:48. > :20:56.than Ralph Miller band and the Daily Mail, I think. And you have a broad
:20:56. > :21:01.more story? Yes, I was intrigued by this in the Independent on Sunday,
:21:01. > :21:09.Tony maiden, former head of the severe personality disorder unit
:21:09. > :21:15.says that many people including Peter Sutcliffe should no longer be
:21:15. > :21:19.there. He said he is no longer acutely mentally ill. How you
:21:19. > :21:25.determine that about a man who murdered 13 women, I don't know, but
:21:25. > :21:29.he said a lot of patients who are there should be back in normal
:21:29. > :21:35.prison which would be a hell of a lot cheaper. I don't understand...
:21:35. > :21:43.Psychopaths tend to be quite canny so how you judge how anyone is OK to
:21:43. > :21:48.come out of this mentally secure unit, I don't know. This is the
:21:48. > :21:54.beginning of the political season but also the beginning of the book
:21:54. > :22:03.selling season. Explain, this tradition of books coming out now
:22:03. > :22:09.before Christmas. Yes, most books are sold into the run-up to
:22:09. > :22:14.Christmas. I think on each day something like 1800 titles are
:22:14. > :22:20.published, jostling to get ahead, I am one of the lemmings in this race.
:22:20. > :22:26.And Helen Fielding with Bridget Jones gets her first review today.
:22:26. > :22:32.Yes, so she is going over the top as well, poor thing, and some critics
:22:32. > :22:40.will be waiting to mow her down. Your lemming is a French lemming.
:22:40. > :22:43.Yes, a novel about the Dreyfus affair and it is narrated from the
:22:43. > :22:47.point of view of the head of the French secret intelligence service
:22:47. > :22:54.who exposed the fact Dreyfus had been framed it is probably still the
:22:55. > :23:00.greatest miscarriage of justice and cover-up there has ever been so I'd
:23:00. > :23:05.tell the story in a fictional voice. It is difficult to get
:23:05. > :23:23.stories which are shocking enough dosh -- real-life politics is so
:23:23. > :23:35.shocking. Yes, there are secret trials, a cover-up, an intelligence
:23:35. > :23:37.service out of control. Any organisation is reluctant to admit
:23:37. > :23:41.their mistakes and I thought this would be a way of casting light on
:23:41. > :23:45.this quite difficult to understand scandal and also to shine a light on
:23:45. > :23:57.the present day. You haven't given the title. No, it is called Bridget
:23:57. > :24:06.Jones. Too cruel. An Officer And A Spy. Let's find out what is in store
:24:06. > :24:10.for the week ahead in the weather forecast.
:24:10. > :24:13.Spy. Let's find out what is in store for the week ahead in the Indian
:24:13. > :24:14.summer or not, it will be the stuff of memories because our weather is
:24:14. > :24:29.taking a turn for the colder. There will be a chilly start in
:24:29. > :24:34.England and Wales, but the mist and fog patches will slowly clear. The
:24:34. > :24:38.damp start with some outbreaks of rain, although it brightens up in
:24:38. > :24:43.the north of Scotland and becomes quite warm here. We still have some
:24:43. > :24:49.of that rain in Dumfries and Galloway, pushing into Cumbria.
:24:49. > :24:55.Elsewhere you have some mist and fog picking up, and you get that
:24:55. > :25:00.sunshine and warmth, 20 degrees could be yours. More cloud around in
:25:00. > :25:05.Cornwall into south Devon, but elsewhere the best of the sunshine
:25:05. > :25:12.in Wales and the further east you are we may see the cloud breaking up
:25:12. > :25:17.in Snowdonia, the brighter skies further north and still on the one
:25:17. > :25:27.side here as well. Tomorrow, some wet weather pushing further south
:25:27. > :25:28.from Scotland. It will be feeling colder in the strengthening
:25:28. > :25:47.northerly wind. Nigel Farage possibly enjoyed the
:25:47. > :25:50.Conservative party conference this year, more than at his own. In
:25:50. > :26:01.Manchester last week, he made several well-publicised appearances
:26:01. > :26:03.on the fringe. But UKIP's gathering was overshadowed by the troublesome
:26:03. > :26:08.MEP Godfrey Bloom - whose remarks about women who don't clean behind
:26:09. > :26:12.the fridge can't be repeated here. Yesterday, Mr Bloom, now suspended,
:26:12. > :26:15.hit back - ''If you see me with a pint of bitter, it's not a
:26:15. > :26:19.photocall. Nigel has lost touch. Poor Nigel.'' Really? Under Mr
:26:19. > :26:22.Farage, UKIP's become a force to be reckoned with in British politics -
:26:22. > :26:25.but can the party at large survive the intense scrutiny of a general
:26:25. > :26:28.election campaign? Well, Nigel is with me - good morning. You seem to
:26:28. > :26:31.lead a party of colourful individualists, not easy to herd and
:26:31. > :26:39.the question is whether you can keep them onside when you crack the whip
:26:39. > :26:44.as well. I think we were a vehicle in which people could give vent to
:26:44. > :26:49.their views, and over the last 18 months we have changed. We are party
:26:49. > :26:53.that is taking elections seriously and to do that you need some
:26:53. > :26:58.discipline. That doesn't mean we won't push the boundaries of
:26:58. > :27:02.argument. It does mean that we don't need people causing massive
:27:02. > :27:06.distraction. Does it mean you have to kowtow to the Liberal media? I'm
:27:06. > :27:14.sure some things were said that you have to be pretending to be outraged
:27:14. > :27:19.about. It means we have to focus on our key messages. We are challenging
:27:19. > :27:24.the media and the political class on big issues like immigration, we are
:27:24. > :27:33.not here trying to win friends amongst the liberal elite but we are
:27:34. > :27:38.trying to focus on policies and Godfrey's problem was he kept making
:27:38. > :27:54.comments about women. In Nigel Farage world, what should be done to
:27:54. > :27:58.deal with immigration right now? Theresa May this morning in the
:27:58. > :28:01.Sunday Times is saying she will deport foreign criminals, can she
:28:01. > :28:10.say what she is going to do about Romanian criminals? And the fact we
:28:10. > :28:15.are opening up the door next year to more foreign Romanian criminals? I
:28:15. > :28:19.am challenging them and saying, are you prepared to do anything? Do you
:28:19. > :28:25.feel we cannot do anything while we are part of the European structure?
:28:25. > :28:29.Is a member of the European Union, we cannot control our own borders
:28:29. > :28:35.and when the referendum comes I think that will be the central
:28:35. > :28:42.issue. So the Conservatives can only go so far without dealing with this
:28:42. > :28:48.issue. You are plugged into parts of the Conservative party, do you think
:28:48. > :28:55.the referendum will happen? Would it shoot your fox if they did? I am not
:28:55. > :28:59.in politics for the usual reasons, it is not about attaining rank, it
:28:59. > :29:05.is about winning and getting back the independence and democracy of
:29:05. > :29:11.this country. It would be a big wins, wouldn't it? I would be
:29:11. > :29:17.delighted, and so would British business. A renegotiation is pretty
:29:17. > :29:23.futile. I think what Adam Afriyie has done is to put his finger on the
:29:23. > :29:28.real problem. This time last year David Cameron was saying no
:29:28. > :29:33.referendum, now he is saying there should be, and people are not sure
:29:33. > :29:37.what to believe. Everyone seems to think he will do well in the
:29:37. > :29:42.European elections next year, but they also say that what will happen
:29:42. > :29:46.is that when it comes to the general election, the single argument
:29:46. > :29:55.against you that will really work is that if you vote for UKIP, you will
:29:55. > :30:00.let in labour. What we saw last time was this argument being stripped
:30:00. > :30:05.out. What happened in 150 seat is that if you vote UKIP, you get
:30:05. > :30:09.UKIP. After the European elections next year, we will be targeting our
:30:09. > :30:14.seats for the general election and next year, we will be targeting our
:30:14. > :30:19.we will be doing it to get a decent representation of UKIP MPs in
:30:19. > :30:26.Westminster. There are 36 marginal seats where a decent UKIP vote would
:30:26. > :30:31.beat the Conservative incumbent. The reason the Tories are doing badly is
:30:31. > :30:33.not because of me or UKIP, it is because their leader has marched
:30:33. > :30:37.them towards social democracy. because their leader has marched
:30:37. > :30:40.Everybody is ignoring the fact that you give's greatest growth has been
:30:40. > :30:43.Everybody is ignoring the fact that a -month-old Labour voters in the
:30:43. > :30:51.North of England. We take our vote from across the spectrum. If we take
:30:51. > :30:55.Jacob Rees-Mogg, presumably you would not target him in quite a way
:30:55. > :30:59.that you would target a Europhile. We will target resources where we
:30:59. > :31:02.have won county council seats, district council seats, following
:31:02. > :31:06.the model that the Lib Dems used under Paddy Ashdown, building on
:31:06. > :31:09.local strength. If you can win at council level, you can win at
:31:09. > :31:14.Parliamentary level. We will not worry about the others, our focus is
:31:14. > :31:18.to get UKIP into Westminster, because then there really will be a
:31:18. > :31:22.referendum. What about doing deals from the bottom-up, local parties
:31:22. > :31:26.making decisions? There has been a lot of speculation about that, and
:31:26. > :31:30.David Cameron and the Cabinet view as as being part of the lower
:31:30. > :31:34.orders, we are not good enough for them. If Jacob Rees-Mogg's
:31:34. > :31:38.Association wants to talk to ours in Somerset, I am perfectly relaxed
:31:38. > :31:41.about that, but quite frankly I don't need him. I do not think it
:31:41. > :31:46.will happen. The legislation has changed and you can run on a joint
:31:46. > :31:53.ticket, somebody could run as a UKIP-Conservative candidate. They
:31:54. > :31:59.have to want to end immigration and leave the EU. Not end immigration,
:31:59. > :32:04.control it. As to your own position, it has been speculated he
:32:04. > :32:08.would stand in Thanet South. I know, I read in the papers yesterday.
:32:08. > :32:12.Actually, it is the last thing on my mind. The one thing the media of
:32:12. > :32:15.forgetting, when they talk about the next election, in eight months' time
:32:15. > :32:22.we have a European election on the same day that... I think I have
:32:23. > :32:27.got... I think I have got a politician's answer from Nigel
:32:27. > :32:32.Farage! To be honest with you, I was thinking about Folkestone, I am not
:32:32. > :32:36.even go to think about that. You are going to stand question yes, but
:32:36. > :32:43.let's get the European elections out of the way. Thank you very much.
:32:43. > :32:47.A film set in Paris about love, sex, food and ageing is the new feature
:32:47. > :32:53.from Roger Michell and writer Hanif Kureishi. Le Week-End stars Lindsay
:32:53. > :32:58.Duncan and Jim Broadbent as a couple revisiting the city of light. Their
:32:58. > :33:01.troubled but loving marriage is tested to breaking point, and the
:33:01. > :33:05.film is not funny but is not afraid to be bleak as well. It is funny, I
:33:05. > :33:09.should say. The stark realities of three decades come to light. The
:33:09. > :33:15.film is different to others about middle age and older age, this is
:33:15. > :33:25.not the Marigold Hotel. Who would want to live anywhere
:33:25. > :33:33.else? Let's do it. What? Cel up, get an apartment here. We still have to
:33:33. > :33:40.earn money. Haven't we worked for long enough? What else would we do?
:33:40. > :33:48.We could be artists. We are from Birmingham. When I met the two leads
:33:48. > :33:51.recently, Lindsay Duncan told me what attracted her and Jim Broadbent
:33:51. > :33:56.to Le Week-End. It is appealing to play these people
:33:56. > :34:03.and to tell this story, because it is actually recognisably real, and
:34:03. > :34:08.it is a sort of film that I think you would want to go and see, this
:34:09. > :34:13.kind of film. It is a story, we should explain, about married Love,
:34:13. > :34:18.30 years on, revisiting a honeymoon, and it has been a rough 30 years for
:34:18. > :34:24.your characters. They have gone through it all, they have gone into
:34:24. > :34:30.their own shells, into denial, they have fought and got on, and somehow
:34:30. > :34:35.you can see the whole history in this weekend. It is also a film
:34:35. > :34:39.about old age. I would dare to describe it as a grown-up love
:34:39. > :34:44.story, because I think to be together for 30 years and still be
:34:44. > :34:48.recognisable as human beings is quite an achievement, frankly! But
:34:48. > :34:51.you know, I don't think we necessarily think that it has been
:34:51. > :34:55.miserable, but they are at that point in our lives where they
:34:55. > :35:00.brought up children, the children have gone, and that is always a
:35:01. > :35:05.moment when you start to think about the future. The children aspect is
:35:05. > :35:08.interesting for a lot of people of this age bag the frankly feckless
:35:08. > :35:15.child keeps coming home, has not got a job, a lot of people who have got
:35:15. > :35:19.children who have come home after university. Or never gone next on
:35:19. > :35:29.the was this consciously made a particular generation to... It is
:35:29. > :35:32.not specifically aiming for the grey pound. You should probably not go
:35:32. > :35:36.and see this with your lifelong partner, it is fair to say, in case
:35:36. > :35:42.you recognise too much. It could be cathartic! When the couple go to
:35:42. > :35:49.Paris, it makes them confront what ever they have been not been honest
:35:49. > :35:56.about. What gorgeous hell is this? They are
:35:56. > :36:02.French, I am sure their lives are awful, to. You really give him a
:36:02. > :36:06.French, I am sure their lives are hard time a lot of the time, and I
:36:06. > :36:11.wonder, as the film progresses, did you have to bring that back a bit?
:36:11. > :36:15.You are brilliant as a really irritated wife, not just slightly.
:36:15. > :36:19.It is difficult, and I cannot pretend that I did not worry. I am
:36:19. > :36:25.very relieved pretend that I did not worry. I am
:36:25. > :36:33.to be angry and frustrated, because... Jim's character is
:36:33. > :36:37.frightened. They may be both are of what the next stage is, but he
:36:37. > :36:39.really is going into his shell at it, or has been, hasn't been honest
:36:39. > :36:45.about what has been going on in his it, or has been, hasn't been honest
:36:45. > :36:52.life, and he had its, it is there in the dialogue, that he is frightened.
:36:52. > :36:59.And he is needed. And he is also sympathetic, whereas the character I
:36:59. > :37:03.play is... Less so. Yes, less so. These are quite dark, grown up
:37:03. > :37:09.themes, but by the end it is quite an uplifting film. Well, along the
:37:09. > :37:15.way, it is also very funny. They have a shared humour, which keeps
:37:15. > :37:19.them together, keeps it going. There is a moment when we think you are
:37:19. > :37:22.having sex, but in fact you are walking upstairs, which is one of
:37:22. > :37:28.the funniest things I have seen on screen for a very long time.
:37:28. > :37:49.HAVE your knees gone yet? Not yet! There are quite a lot of
:37:49. > :37:56.stares in Paris. They are very breathless. At the end of the film,
:37:56. > :38:01.it is the sort of triumph, I suppose, of married love against all
:38:01. > :38:04.the odds. So money films are about adultery and marriage is falling
:38:04. > :38:07.apart, the drama of that, very rare to have a film which is about
:38:07. > :38:15.survival and sticking together after everything. Yes, it is rare. And it
:38:15. > :38:18.does chart... When people get together initially, they have got
:38:18. > :38:26.love and sex in common, and they just want to kiss for ever. In
:38:26. > :38:31.Paris, you can go and do that. But all the complexities that build up
:38:31. > :38:34.over 30 years as somehow there, but it is interesting that, you know,
:38:34. > :38:40.marriages do survive, it is extraordinary really. And reckless
:38:40. > :38:45.of them to test their marriage by going back so far! Would you take
:38:45. > :38:50.your own partners to see this film? I have already! We have put them
:38:50. > :38:53.through it a couple of times. My son is coming tonight because my husband
:38:53. > :38:58.is unavailable, I am slightly anxious about that! The younger
:38:59. > :39:04.generation can go and look at their parents on screen. A scary sight!
:39:04. > :39:08.Thank you both very much indeed. Good film, quite a tough film. The
:39:08. > :39:12.Government is about to publish an Immigration Bill designed, it says,
:39:12. > :39:16.to attract those who contributed to the country and deter those who will
:39:16. > :39:20.not. But will it be tough enough to satisfy voters for whom immigration
:39:21. > :39:25.is the top concern and to have been deserting the Tories for UK? More to
:39:25. > :39:29.the point, will it be fair? Theresa May is with me, and we will start by
:39:29. > :39:32.talking about a very important events tomorrow, the launch of the
:39:33. > :39:37.National Crime Agency. It sounds from the papers rather American, it
:39:37. > :39:42.has already been called the British FBI. It is an important new body.
:39:42. > :39:45.Can I just say, it is very good to see you in your normal spot? The new
:39:45. > :39:50.National Crime Agency is designed to see you in your normal spot? The new
:39:50. > :39:53.be a relentless crime-fighting body which will relentlessly pursue
:39:53. > :39:56.organised criminals, and it is important. Crime is falling in this
:39:56. > :39:59.country, but we cannot be complacent, and particularly on
:39:59. > :40:06.organised crime I do not think the last government put and a focus on
:40:06. > :40:11.it, but organised crime is changing. What was wrong with SOCA? You needed
:40:11. > :40:15.to bring in a new body. The National Crime Agency will have within it
:40:15. > :40:17.what was SOCA, but it will also have a number of commands focusing on a
:40:17. > :40:22.what was SOCA, but it will also have number of different areas. It will
:40:22. > :40:25.have an economic crime command, focusing on our ability to deal with
:40:25. > :40:30.economic crime and fraud. It will have the organised crime command and
:40:30. > :40:33.border policing, and we will be increasing our ability to deal
:40:33. > :40:39.internationally, and the Child exploitation agency, and a new
:40:39. > :40:40.national cyber crime unit. At the core of the National Crime Agency
:40:40. > :40:43.will be intelligence, looking at a core of the National Crime Agency
:40:43. > :40:47.whole new range of dealing with issues to ensure that we can
:40:47. > :40:51.relentlessly go after organised criminals. It will have less money
:40:51. > :40:54.relentlessly go after organised than the bodies it is replacing
:40:54. > :40:59.would have had? Are you happy that it will be resolved sufficiently?
:40:59. > :41:02.Yes, what we have seen over the changes we have made in policing is
:41:02. > :41:06.that it is possible to keep up the relentless fight against crime
:41:06. > :41:10.while, yes, in today's difficult circumstances, having to deal with
:41:10. > :41:13.the deficit, being careful that the budgets that are available, but the
:41:13. > :41:17.resources will be there. Crucially, we will have this new cyber crime
:41:17. > :41:20.unit, but we are going to do some other new things, too. The National
:41:20. > :41:25.Crime Agency will also be looking at working at local level and regional
:41:25. > :41:29.level more, and ensuring that it is a cross government approach, not
:41:29. > :41:33.just the police. In some of these issues, we need to bring to bear the
:41:33. > :41:39.department of work and pensions and other parts of government. Reading
:41:39. > :41:43.about it today, gung ho language, is this the Americanisation of British
:41:43. > :41:47.policing? It is a British approach to dealing with an issue that we
:41:47. > :41:50.face. It is absolutely right that the National Crime Agency will work
:41:50. > :41:53.with local police forces, and it will work internationally as well.
:41:53. > :41:59.It does not cover Northern Ireland, a slight oddity, isn't it? There are
:41:59. > :42:02.some aspects of its work which will be in Northern Ireland but not
:42:02. > :42:07.completely, but it will be working with the Police Service of Northern
:42:07. > :42:11.Ireland in dealing with these issues. Let's turn to immigration if
:42:11. > :42:15.I may, there are two Makra things you say you will do with this bill -
:42:15. > :42:20.basically, carrots for those who will come here and work very hard,
:42:20. > :42:26.sticks for those who will not. What are the new carrots? What we have
:42:26. > :42:31.been doing with our immigration system, it has come down by a third
:42:31. > :42:32.since the government came into power, and we have been trying to
:42:33. > :42:37.since the government came into ensure that our system is a system
:42:37. > :42:43.that offers a good service to those who want to come and be here and
:42:43. > :42:47.contribute here, so we have opened up new routes for entrepreneurs,
:42:47. > :42:49.investors, exceptionally talented people. On the other side of it, we
:42:49. > :42:53.have been working to work out abuse people. On the other side of it, we
:42:53. > :42:57.of the system. What I'm going to do in the new Immigration Bill is make
:42:57. > :43:00.a number of changes. We will be reducing the appeal rights, making
:43:00. > :43:04.it easier and extending the number of cases where people can be foreign
:43:04. > :43:10.criminals, for example, the board at first and appeal outside the UK.
:43:10. > :43:16.Will they get a fair appeal outside the country? I do not see how they
:43:16. > :43:20.can appeal if they are not here? I think what people feel is wrong is
:43:20. > :43:23.somebody being able to stay in the UK, somebody the Government thinks
:43:23. > :43:28.should be deported, being able to stay in the UK, a foreign criminals
:43:28. > :43:31.for example, be able to appeal again and again, building up extra rights
:43:31. > :43:35.to stay here. I think it is important that we are able to deport
:43:35. > :43:39.first and allow people, yes, a fair appeal, but from outside the UK.
:43:39. > :43:43.There are measures to deprive people coming here of housing benefit and
:43:43. > :43:45.other rights, including the rights coming here of housing benefit and
:43:45. > :43:49.to use the NHS. I do not see how coming here of housing benefit and
:43:49. > :43:53.that works. It's a body should not be here who is bleeding or who has
:43:53. > :43:59.got an infectious disease, doctors or nurses will not turn them away.
:43:59. > :44:03.-- if somebody. Of course, there are a emergency cases, but we want to
:44:03. > :44:07.see a simple rule that people living in the UK, who have contributed to
:44:07. > :44:11.the NHS, have contributed to the welfare system, and what people get
:44:11. > :44:15.fed up about is seeing health tourism, people coming into the UK,
:44:15. > :44:19.using the health service for coming into the UK and of the benefits is
:44:19. > :44:24.that when they have not contributed. That is why we are
:44:24. > :44:28.tightening up on both of those. How will it work, Home Secretary G-Mac
:44:28. > :44:37.most people go to hospital with an emergency of some kind, and it is
:44:37. > :44:40.difficult to see doctors saying, you cannot come into the hospital. We
:44:41. > :44:44.are looking at a number of ideas. One is that for people who would be
:44:44. > :44:48.here for a temporary period, they pay a sum of money so that they are
:44:48. > :44:51.contributing to the health service. And then tightening up, within the
:44:51. > :44:57.health service, on those cases where they should be charging people
:44:57. > :44:59.for... Some people may have to go in for an emergency, but the
:45:00. > :45:03.arrangements that their country should be charged afterwards.
:45:03. > :45:07.Ensuring that we are getting that so people are not able to access the
:45:07. > :45:13.benefits that people here in the UK have been paying for on the same
:45:13. > :45:17.sort of free basis. What about the £3000 bombs to ensure that people
:45:18. > :45:19.who come here and do not return lose the money G-Mac the Liberal Democrat
:45:19. > :45:22.leader said he would the money G-Mac the Liberal Democrat
:45:22. > :45:34.happening, you would not be able to go through with it. We have had a
:45:34. > :45:41.number of approaches to this from our coalition colleagues. Most of
:45:41. > :45:46.the people who are here illegally would be people who came on a legal
:45:46. > :45:52.visa then stayed on. The bond would enable us, they would lose their
:45:52. > :45:57.money, but we are not talking about a blanket approach to everyone who
:45:57. > :46:03.comes to the UK, we are talking about a targeted, small number of
:46:03. > :46:14.people. So you can come to an agreement with Nick Clegg? I want to
:46:14. > :46:18.see a system that will ensure we deter over stayers. It is not about
:46:18. > :46:23.enabling more people to come here, it is about ensuring that people who
:46:23. > :46:28.come here will not overstay their visas. If a system is not going to
:46:28. > :46:36.do that, then it has lost its purpose so the bond system must
:46:36. > :46:41.deter over stayers. Nigel Farage raised the subject of the Romanian
:46:41. > :46:45.and Bulgarian influx, we have delayed it but now it will happen
:46:45. > :46:51.next year. If large numbers of people come, that will blow out of
:46:51. > :47:00.the water your statistics on immigration, won't it? What we are
:47:00. > :47:02.doing is exactly the sort of issues we have just been talking about,
:47:02. > :47:17.looking at reducing the pool factors we have just been talking about,
:47:17. > :47:22.-- pull factors - tightening up the benefits system. Nigel Farage says
:47:22. > :47:28.Britain is in the middle of a Romanian crimewave, is that
:47:28. > :47:32.scaremongering? We have been doing work with Metropolitan Police and
:47:32. > :47:37.over the last 18 months, something like over 1000 foreign criminals
:47:37. > :47:41.have been deported, removed as a result of the work that has been a
:47:41. > :47:49.closer integration between the Metropolitan police and UK visas and
:47:49. > :47:56.we are now extending that across the country. About a third of the crime
:47:56. > :48:01.is committed by foreign nationals. What about these notorious funds
:48:01. > :48:08.that have been going around, saying basically go home, is that a pilot
:48:08. > :48:13.scheme has finished? That scheme has finished, we now need to evaluate it
:48:13. > :48:17.to see what the impact was. The purpose was to encourage those who
:48:17. > :48:20.are here illegally to go home voluntarily and obviously there is a
:48:20. > :48:27.benefit to Government if people do that, but... It was heavily
:48:27. > :48:33.criticised for its tone, I am wondering if you have taken that
:48:33. > :48:38.lesson. We will evaluate and once I have seen the results of the
:48:38. > :48:40.evaluation we can make a decision. I think what the public want to see is
:48:40. > :48:43.evaluation we can make a decision. I a Government that is clearly doing
:48:43. > :48:49.everything it can to remove people from this country who have no right
:48:49. > :48:55.to be here, and that is what you are doing. Do you think it worked? There
:48:55. > :49:01.has been a lot of criticism saying they didn't work anyway. I am
:49:01. > :49:04.waiting to see the evaluation, I need to see proper work that says
:49:04. > :49:11.what the impact was of these and then we can look at it carefully.
:49:11. > :49:15.Can I ask about terrorism now, and after the appalling attack in
:49:15. > :49:20.Nairobi there was a story in The Times yesterday saying that British
:49:20. > :49:24.terrorists were involved in plots to use chemical and biological weapons
:49:24. > :49:30.and were on their way over to Somalia. What can you say about
:49:30. > :49:35.that? There is a limit to what I can say about any individual cases, and
:49:35. > :49:39.I know the newspapers have been naming individuals, but for some
:49:39. > :49:49.time now we have seen some people in the UK travelling out to Somalia and
:49:49. > :49:57.now to Syria, and obviously in those circumstances... Some of those are
:49:57. > :50:01.potential terrorists? Yes, who will get training potentially, or in some
:50:01. > :50:08.cases engaging conflict and potentially return to the UK so this
:50:08. > :50:14.issue with foreign fighters, as they are generally referred to...
:50:14. > :50:20.Terrorists, as we call them at the BBC. They are potential terrorists,
:50:20. > :50:24.the foreign fighters who go to Syria, some of them will be of the
:50:24. > :50:30.the foreign fighters who go to jihadist mindset. Are you concerned
:50:31. > :50:35.about the big soft targets here? The shopping centres are completely open
:50:35. > :50:40.and basically unpatrolled and it would be very easy to mimic the kind
:50:40. > :50:44.of ghastly attack that happened at the Westgate Centre in Britain. When
:50:44. > :50:51.we came into Government will looked at this potential issue, there had
:50:51. > :50:55.previously been the firearms terrorist attack in Mumbai and we
:50:55. > :50:59.have increased the ability of the police to deal with those attacks,
:50:59. > :51:02.the number of specially trained officers, but of course we keep
:51:02. > :51:08.looking at these issues to make sure we are doing everything we can to
:51:08. > :51:13.keep people safe. It is one element of our counterterrorism strategy,
:51:13. > :51:17.the protection element and that is about working with the private
:51:17. > :51:21.sector to ensure suitable protections are in place, something
:51:21. > :51:28.the National crime agency will be doing with organised crime as well.
:51:28. > :51:32.Do think it is likely in this country? Inevitable? I think the
:51:32. > :51:36.Government should look at every possibility of an attack and look at
:51:36. > :51:42.dealing with it, protecting the country from potential attacks but
:51:42. > :51:46.crucially the work done day in day out by our security services
:51:46. > :51:54.together with the police to prevent attacks, they do a very good job. We
:51:54. > :51:58.are doing enough? You can never be complacent, we are always looking to
:51:58. > :52:02.see if there is something more we can be doing. Thank you. Now the
:52:02. > :52:06.see if there is something more we news headlines. The leader of the UK
:52:06. > :52:10.Independence Party has told this programme he will stand at the next
:52:10. > :52:15.general election, although he wouldn't say where. It has been
:52:15. > :52:24.widely reported he will target the Kent seat. American special forces
:52:24. > :52:48.have carried out raids in Africa targeting senior Islamist militants.
:52:48. > :52:52.That's all from me for now. The next news on BBC One is at one o'clock.
:52:52. > :52:56.Back to Andrew and guests in a moment. But first, a look at what's
:52:56. > :53:01.coming up, after this show. As Interpol launches hunt for a woman
:53:01. > :53:04.with links to terrorism, is enough being done to prevent the
:53:04. > :53:08.radicalisation of young British people?
:53:08. > :53:10.The Home Secretary is still with me and we have been joined again by
:53:11. > :53:17.The Home Secretary is still with me Nigel Farage and also the French
:53:17. > :53:22.singer, Zaz. Her platinum selling album 's mix jazz, blues and pop
:53:22. > :53:27.with African and Latin influences thrown in as well. In the best
:53:27. > :53:31.tradition, she has busked on the streets of Paris and now plays
:53:31. > :53:37.venues all over Europe. She will be performing in London next month and
:53:37. > :53:43.this is her UK debut. In the old days, we couldn't do food and you
:53:43. > :53:51.could do food, but we could do pop and you couldn't do pop. As French
:53:51. > :53:57.music come of age? I don't speak English very well, but I am so very
:53:57. > :54:03.happy to be here. You will express yourself through your music, which
:54:03. > :54:11.is the best way. I will not try to speak in French. I drive through
:54:11. > :54:13.France a lot, and I know that and more recently there is a lot more
:54:13. > :54:38.music in French. Frankly, the more he insults us, the
:54:38. > :54:44.more he insults his own supporters because we know UKIP is not racist.
:54:44. > :54:56.Theresa May, do you think UKIP has done your cause a lot of good? No, I
:54:56. > :55:00.think what the Conservative party is doing is right, looking ahead at
:55:00. > :55:04.what we can offer people in the next general election. We want to get
:55:04. > :55:08.back to being the majority Government so we can scrap the Human
:55:08. > :55:15.Rights Act and various other commitments. Would you pull us out
:55:15. > :55:22.of the European Court of human rights? We are going to look at the
:55:22. > :55:25.relationship we have with the European Court and European
:55:25. > :55:30.convention and that work is being led by my colleague Chris Grayling
:55:30. > :55:34.at the moment. If it takes pulling out of the European Convention to
:55:34. > :55:39.sort out our human rights laws, that will be on the table. But we cannot
:55:39. > :55:47.do that and stay apart of the European Union. Are you saying we
:55:47. > :55:48.can do that? We need to take a sensible approach in looking at how
:55:48. > :55:55.we sort out our relationship with sensible approach in looking at how
:55:55. > :55:59.the European Court. They become one and the same thing. The European
:55:59. > :56:05.commission are perfectly clear you cannot be a member if you leave the
:56:05. > :56:13.European Court. One more pebble into the pond, the Adam Afriyie
:56:13. > :56:17.Amendment, is that a goer? I think Adam has got it wrong, I think we
:56:17. > :56:22.need to be negotiating that settlement with the European Union
:56:22. > :56:32.and putting to the British people the Europe of the future. Is it a
:56:32. > :56:37.real threat, getting this vote through? I think it is crucial that
:56:37. > :56:41.at the next election we have a Conservative party offering people
:56:41. > :56:46.the renegotiation of the new settlement of Europe, looking to the
:56:46. > :56:53.future and putting it to the British people in a referendum, and what the
:56:53. > :57:03.amendment could possibly do is it could jeopardise that bill. When do
:57:03. > :57:08.you think we will see the renegotiated plan? There is no
:57:08. > :57:13.serious renegotiation on offer, this is merely a tactic to kick the issue
:57:13. > :57:17.into the long grass and it will shock the Tories when Ed Miliband
:57:17. > :57:26.makes the same pledge for a referendum as well, which he will.
:57:26. > :57:32.On this note of genial consensus, time has run out. One very important
:57:32. > :57:37.note about next week's show, we will be starting at 9:15am on BBC One and
:57:37. > :57:45.I will be speaking to the remarkable schoolgirl who has become a global
:57:45. > :57:49.campaigner for education, Malala. She might even be a Nobel Peace
:57:49. > :57:53.Prize winner as well, but do join me for that. We will now leave you with
:57:53. > :58:12.Zaz and her track, Je Veux. # Donnez-moi une suite au Ritz, je
:58:12. > :58:14.n'en veux pas # Des bijoux de chez Chanel, je n'en veux pas #
:58:14. > :58:16.Donnez-moi une limousine, j'en ferais quoi?
:58:16. > :58:20.# Offrez-moi du personnel, j'en ferais quoi?
:58:20. > :58:32.# Un manoir a Neufchatel, ce n'est pas pour moi # Offrez-moi la Tour
:58:32. > :58:37.Eiffel, j'en ferais quoi? # Je veux de l'amour, de la joie, de
:58:37. > :58:41.la bonne humeur # Ce n'est pas votre argent qui fera mon bonheur # Moi je
:58:41. > :58:44.veux crever la main sur le coeur # Allons ensemble, decouvrir ma
:58:44. > :58:58.liberte # Oubliez donc tous vos cliches # Bienvenue dans ma realite
:58:58. > :59:02.# J'en ai marre de vos bonnes manieres, c'est trop pour moi # Moi
:59:03. > :59:06.je mange avec les mains et je suis comme ca # Je parle fort et je suis
:59:06. > :59:10.franche, excusez-moi # Finie l'hypocrisie, moi je me casse de la
:59:10. > :59:14.# J'en ai marre des langues de bois # Regardez-moi, de toute maniere je
:59:14. > :59:26.vous en veux pas et je suis comme ca!
:59:26. > :59:30.# Je veux de l'amour, de la joie, de la bonne humeur # Ce n'est pas votre
:59:30. > :59:33.argent qui fera mon bonheur # Moi je veux crever la main sur le coeur #
:59:33. > :59:36.Allons ensemble, decouvrir ma liberte # Oubliez donc tous vos
:59:36. > :59:47.cliches # Bienvenue dans ma realite