:00:36. > :00:42.Good morning. Though of course across most of Britain, it's a foul
:00:43. > :00:45.morning. Just a couple of weeks ago we feared the Americans were going
:00:46. > :00:48.to send us a devastating economic storm, knocking Britain's recovery
:00:49. > :00:52.off course. Didn't happen. Instead they're sending us a real storm.
:00:53. > :00:56.Long term, the economic one would have been much more damaging, but
:00:57. > :01:01.over the next 24 hours it may not feel that way. It's been named St
:01:02. > :01:04.Jude after the patron saint of depression and lost causes. Thanks
:01:05. > :01:10.for that, Met Office! We'll do our best to cheer you up. Joining me
:01:11. > :01:13.today for our review of the Sunday newspapers is Greg Dyke, former
:01:14. > :01:16.Director General of the BBC, now chairman of another organisation
:01:17. > :01:20.prone to regular crises, the Football Association. And Catherine
:01:21. > :01:23.Mayer - editor at large of Time Magazine, who scooped the royal
:01:24. > :01:28.press pack this week with her big interview with Prince Charles. Not a
:01:29. > :01:31.smidgen of jealousy from the Brits, Catherine, I promise you.
:01:32. > :01:36.Well, I talked about our economic recovery just now. But how strong is
:01:37. > :01:39.it - how real is it for average earners, hit by stagnant incomes and
:01:40. > :01:45.rising prices? That's probably what will decide the outcome of the next
:01:46. > :01:49.election. At times, the Coalition partners seem more like a squabbling
:01:50. > :01:51.couple on the verge of divorce. I'm joined by the Liberal Democrat
:01:52. > :01:55.Shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury, Danny Alexander. He's a
:01:56. > :02:02.member of the "quad" which runs the government. So what's his party's
:02:03. > :02:05.game plan in the lead up to 2015? Also this morning, with another
:02:06. > :02:09.crunch meeting over press regulation looming, I'll be talking to Labour's
:02:10. > :02:12.Deputy Leader, Harriet Harman. With the press fighting tooth and nail
:02:13. > :02:17.against the politicians, is this long-running story really reaching
:02:18. > :02:20.its end? Then the police were in the
:02:21. > :02:23.spotlight last week, and looking pretty uncomfortable. One of our
:02:24. > :02:26.most senior coppers, Sir Hugh Orde of the Association of Chief Police
:02:27. > :02:31.Officers, discusses police ethics and public trust in the force.
:02:32. > :02:35.Finally, after an amazing summer with the Rolling Stones playing to
:02:36. > :02:40.vast crowds at Glastonbury and Hyde Park, Ronnie Wood is here to talk
:02:41. > :02:44.about his next gig, Bluesfest. And we'll have a rare treat, a solo
:02:45. > :02:52.performance from him, at the end of the show..
:02:53. > :02:59.All that's coming up. But first, the news with Sian Lloyd.
:03:00. > :03:04.Good morning. People are being advised to prepare for a storm which
:03:05. > :03:08.is expected to hit southern parts of Britain today with hurricane
:03:09. > :03:15.strength winds. Forecasters are drawing comparisons with the great
:03:16. > :03:19.storm of 1987. Councils are putting contingency plans in place and
:03:20. > :03:23.travel companies are reviewing their timetables.
:03:24. > :03:26.A German magazine claims America may have been bugging Chancellor Angela
:03:27. > :03:29.Merkel's phone for more than ten years. Der Spiegel claims to have
:03:30. > :03:32.seen secret documents from the US National Security Agency showing Mrs
:03:33. > :03:37.Merkel's number on a list dating from 2002. On Friday, it was alleged
:03:38. > :03:43.that America had tapped the phones of 35 world leaders.
:03:44. > :03:46.The BBC licence fee could be cut unless the organisation becomes more
:03:47. > :03:49.transparent. That's the warning from the Conservative party chairman
:03:50. > :03:52.Grant Shapps in an article in today's Sunday Telegraph. Our
:03:53. > :03:57.political correspondent Alan Soady assesses how serious this warning
:03:58. > :04:02.is. This is being intended by Greg chaps
:04:03. > :04:08.is a shot across the bowels of the BBC. He has a few criticisms
:04:09. > :04:13.including the large scale of executive payoffs in recent years.
:04:14. > :04:18.He talks about scandals involving Jimmy Savile and Stuart Hall. He
:04:19. > :04:22.also questions the impartiality of BBC reporting and says the
:04:23. > :04:26.credibility of the corporation is potentially at risk. So he's looking
:04:27. > :04:31.ahead to what happens in three years and that is the renewal of the BBC
:04:32. > :04:36.charter, the right for it to carry on charging a licence fee. He raises
:04:37. > :04:39.the possibility that the licence fee is currently exists may not be the
:04:40. > :04:46.only way that public service broadcasting can be secured. The BBC
:04:47. > :04:49.itself has defended the quality of its journalism saying it believes it
:04:50. > :04:54.is fair and impartial. It also says it agrees that transparency is the
:04:55. > :05:03.way forward for the BBC but adds that so is impartiality and freedom
:05:04. > :05:06.from interference by politicians. Inspectors have until the end of
:05:07. > :05:09.today to meet their deadline for visiting all the chemical weapons
:05:10. > :05:12.sites declared by the Syrian government. The team from the
:05:13. > :05:15.Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons has spent the past
:05:16. > :05:18.six weeks working to ensure the country's stockpile is unusable.
:05:19. > :05:23.They were sent to Syria following an attack near the capital Damascus in
:05:24. > :05:27.August. The family of a young girl who was thought to have been
:05:28. > :05:31.abducted by a Roma family in Greece say they want her to return home.
:05:32. > :05:34.Maria was discovered in a camp near the city of Farsala last week. Her
:05:35. > :05:38.Bulgarian parents, who are also Roma, deny she was sold as a baby
:05:39. > :05:42.and say they gave her away because they couldn't afford to raise her.
:05:43. > :05:45.That's all from me, for now. I'll be back with the headlines just before
:05:46. > :05:52.ten o'clock. Back to you, Andrew. Thank you, Sian. Now to the papers.
:05:53. > :05:59.The Sunday Telegraph carries that story about the BBC and the licence
:06:00. > :06:02.fee threat. Singling out a particular BBC journalist for
:06:03. > :06:08.criticism. The question for newspapers, if we get press
:06:09. > :06:14.regulation as the politicians suggest, will we see politicians and
:06:15. > :06:21.governments going for individual newspaper journalists in the same
:06:22. > :06:33.way? The Sunday Times has a story about dirty tricks from the union
:06:34. > :06:37.Unite. And the Observer is going with huge energy profits. A lot of
:06:38. > :06:42.stories about energy companies avoiding taxes. Again we will speak
:06:43. > :06:48.about that. And the Independent on Sunday, the other energy scandal,
:06:49. > :06:56.tax avoidance. And finally a worrying pig chair. The Mail on
:06:57. > :07:00.Sunday has British Army soldiers in Helmand province in Afghanistan
:07:01. > :07:10.apparently giving Nazi salutes. It has been suggested that this could
:07:11. > :07:17.be red-handed ulster salutes. And with me to review the papers are
:07:18. > :07:23.Catherine Mayer and Greg Dyke. This is so predict the ball. I have been
:07:24. > :07:27.waiting for it to happen. 18 months from an election, the government of
:07:28. > :07:32.the day decides to start pressurising the BBC. Saying if we
:07:33. > :07:38.win we will take away your money. They all do it. So we should not
:07:39. > :07:41.take it seriously? No, this is an attempt to pressurise and intimidate
:07:42. > :07:49.the BBC which is what the government does. But it does seem that we get
:07:50. > :07:57.up every morning and shoot ourselves in the foot. Well there are two or
:07:58. > :08:03.three things that have been happening which have been unpleasant
:08:04. > :08:07.for the BBC. Jimmy Savile. I think the payoff is quite a difficult
:08:08. > :08:13.story for the BBC. It is a disgraceful story. But that does not
:08:14. > :08:22.mean that the whole of what the BBC stands for should be threatened.
:08:23. > :08:26.That is what it is implying here. Eight team months before an
:08:27. > :08:30.election, let us make sure the BBC behaves itself. When it comes to
:08:31. > :08:35.defining impartiality, you cannot let politicians define
:08:36. > :08:43.impartiality. Again a question of press regulation, I would have
:08:44. > :08:50.thought. It is not entirely coincidental that this story would
:08:51. > :08:59.appear now. The hacking trials start this coming week. Tomorrow morning.
:09:00. > :09:06.That will be a huge story. But we move on to the story about Angela
:09:07. > :09:11.Merkel. Indeed. We followed the same path to understanding Angela Merkel,
:09:12. > :09:17.which was to go to the place that she grew up in East Germany. One of
:09:18. > :09:25.the things I think people do not understand here, that is not clear
:09:26. > :09:30.in this reporting of the revelations by Der Spiegel, based on documents
:09:31. > :09:36.revealed by Edward Snowden, better phone has probably been tapped since
:09:37. > :09:41.2002. That actually this is an incredible point of neuralgia for
:09:42. > :09:45.Germans and particularly some dislike Angela Merkel who grew up in
:09:46. > :09:54.East Germany in a country where everyone spied on everyone else. The
:09:55. > :09:59.Germans are obsessed by privacy. I have the Sunday Times story. It is
:10:00. > :10:04.about Snowdon. That has been widely condemned, the leaking. We are
:10:05. > :10:13.discovering for the first time that the intelligence services are spying
:10:14. > :10:18.on leaders throughout the world. I find it remarkable. I just find it
:10:19. > :10:26.offensive. But not surprising, surely. In a sense that is what
:10:27. > :10:29.spies are paid to do, to get information from people who have the
:10:30. > :10:38.most interesting information, like Angela Merkel. It says they started
:10:39. > :10:42.spying on her since 2002. President Obama says he knows nothing about
:10:43. > :10:50.it. I would like to ask the same of George W Bush. I do not suppose I
:10:51. > :10:55.would get the opportunity. Catherine, you had that interview
:10:56. > :11:01.with Prince Charles, that huge scoop. There has been a lot of
:11:02. > :11:06.pick-up on that through the newspapers. It was not an interview
:11:07. > :11:11.with him but an in-depth profile which I spent months doing. I did
:11:12. > :11:17.sit down with him for a conversation. You spent six months
:11:18. > :11:24.within? Basically I spent six months trailing around talking to him. He
:11:25. > :11:28.is cautious and private, that was a gamble on his part. How was it that
:11:29. > :11:39.you got the story? Did he just like you? I would like to think that he
:11:40. > :11:50.admired Time magazine. I did not get the sense of that, but that he was
:11:51. > :11:55.nervous of the whole enterprise because he has been stitched up and
:11:56. > :11:59.misrepresented so many times. I set out to do a balanced profile which
:12:00. > :12:06.was then immediately taken up by the British press and traduced in the
:12:07. > :12:12.way that only they can do. It is not the big problem for me, but for
:12:13. > :12:17.him. What made him interesting to me is that gap between his public
:12:18. > :12:23.persona and the way he is portrayed in the press here. I was trying to
:12:24. > :12:26.disabuse people of the notion that he sit around waiting to be king. Of
:12:27. > :12:31.course that has now turned into, he does not want to be king which is
:12:32. > :12:37.just as wrong as the first impression. In terms of the BBC
:12:38. > :12:43.story we were just discussing, I find it funny that the Telegraph has
:12:44. > :12:49.this piece about Prince Harry, a drugs slur. That is quite clearly
:12:50. > :12:59.using a royal story to attack the BBC. And then in the Mail on Sunday,
:13:00. > :13:04.they commissioned Selina Scott, who I'm sure does know the Prince, to
:13:05. > :13:10.talk about the problems of his role. But she does it talking about my
:13:11. > :13:15.article, which she may or may not have read. What I did not take is
:13:16. > :13:23.that he does not want to be king. Unfortunately she does reinforce the
:13:24. > :13:28.false impression. Of course the mail asked me to write a piece and I was
:13:29. > :13:35.not able to. So they have looked to her instead. You can see how he
:13:36. > :13:39.might be reluctant, given he is so passionate about his campaign. When
:13:40. > :13:45.he is king he cannot do that stuff ever again. I do not think he would
:13:46. > :13:50.necessarily say that was true. I was contrasting the difference between
:13:51. > :13:55.the duty he has grown up expecting to do, to be king, and the passion
:13:56. > :14:01.which is the role he has carved out for himself. What I spoke about is
:14:02. > :14:06.this transition to make sure that he can sustain both parts of it. Very
:14:07. > :14:12.difficult. Greg, if you were told never to say anything interesting
:14:13. > :14:17.again... Meanwhile the newspapers are still looking the christening.
:14:18. > :14:25.Last night at the FA we had the big dinner, 150 years of the FA. We had
:14:26. > :14:30.it at the very place where 11 men sat down and wrote the rules of
:14:31. > :14:35.football. Prince William is the president and he was there last
:14:36. > :14:39.night. He announced that he wants young George to be an Aston Villa
:14:40. > :14:47.supporter. Quite a burden for a young child! Kill -- kids all over
:14:48. > :14:51.Britain have been burdened with football teams by their fathers.
:14:52. > :14:56.That is how it happens. This has been the national game for ever and
:14:57. > :15:01.yet we do not have a great deal of royal support. Royals turn up to
:15:02. > :15:07.support cricket or rugby but not football so much. I think the Duke
:15:08. > :15:12.of Cambridge is brilliant as president. He is genuinely
:15:13. > :15:15.interested. He takes so much interest in this particular year. He
:15:16. > :15:19.himself asked his grandmother if we could have a foot or match on the
:15:20. > :15:30.garden of Buckingham Palace. -- but all. He is a fan. Let me take you on
:15:31. > :15:37.to the other big story, the racism row. This is about Toure facing
:15:38. > :15:43.racism talks. I'm not quite sure how you would face talks. It is hardly
:15:44. > :15:47.an inquisition. What can be done? There is a process that the referee
:15:48. > :15:52.can follow. If a player complaints are racist taunts from the crowd,
:15:53. > :15:58.and the referee thinks he is right, he can stop the game and he can warn
:15:59. > :16:02.the crowd. He can do that twice. On the third occasion, he can abandon
:16:03. > :16:10.the game. He literally just stops the game? I didn't know that could
:16:11. > :16:13.be done. It has never been done. Sepp Blatter from FIFA was saying
:16:14. > :16:20.last might that it is only a matter of time before we have to take that
:16:21. > :16:28.action. Actually stop a game and empty stadium. Yes. Racism was
:16:29. > :16:33.rampant 30 years ago in football, and it is much less so today. I
:16:34. > :16:39.wrote a profile of Mario Balotelli last year, and wrote a profile of
:16:40. > :16:46.him. He has gone back to Italy, and although he is Italian, because he
:16:47. > :16:52.is black basing chance that he cannot be black and Italian. They
:16:53. > :16:57.throw bananas at him. This level of racism is so far, not just in Italy
:16:58. > :17:04.but in Spanish football as well. What do you think of a boycott next
:17:05. > :17:14.year? It is too early to say. You've got five years to sort it. Our
:17:15. > :17:18.players, our black players, get abused. And it's got to be stopped
:17:19. > :17:24.before the Royal -- before the World Cup. Any other pictures caught your
:17:25. > :17:30.eye? I have one, which is this appalling coda filter the government
:17:31. > :17:35.shut down in the states. That happened because part of the
:17:36. > :17:42.Republican party was trying to basically repeal Obamacare. And
:17:43. > :17:50.Obama wasn't having any of it? Exactly. America is amazingly deeply
:17:51. > :17:55.divided, but there was this huge shutdown. Finally they reached some
:17:56. > :17:59.kind of fudge, and Obamacare goes online, and what happens? They
:18:00. > :18:05.haven't actually tested the systems, so it is a disaster. It be
:18:06. > :18:09.worse. That was the economic storm I was referring to at the beginning of
:18:10. > :18:13.the programme. What about the real storm? Everyone is covering the real
:18:14. > :18:20.storm. I don't know whether to believe it or not yet. We will just
:18:21. > :18:23.sit here and wait. It will be interesting about whether people
:18:24. > :18:31.travel and things like that. When you decide whether you will stay at
:18:32. > :18:35.home... Batten down the hatches! Do you remember the Great Storm of
:18:36. > :18:40.1987? I was in my house at the time. I thought to myself, it is windy
:18:41. > :18:46.here. I went outside to discover a tree across my car. I am going to
:18:47. > :18:50.move my car to avoid a tree falling on it. I have some friends who
:18:51. > :18:54.actually got together during the last great storm. They didn't
:18:55. > :18:59.realise that the storm was going on. They just managed to somehow miss
:19:00. > :19:03.the fact they were in the middle of the Hurricane Sandy got stranded
:19:04. > :19:10.somewhere together. And they are still married! What a lovely story.
:19:11. > :19:14.I had a friend who moved his car into the garage and a tree fell on
:19:15. > :19:22.the garage! It has been very wet and windy this morning. Not quite a
:19:23. > :19:24.storm. Where is it? When is it? How bad is it going to be? Over to the
:19:25. > :19:35.weather. It will not be quite as bad as we
:19:36. > :19:39.expected in 87, but it will be now -- it will be bad nonetheless. For
:19:40. > :19:45.the time being, it is blustery out there. A band of heavy rain pushing
:19:46. > :19:50.its way eastwards. Really brusque -- were really blustery throughout the
:19:51. > :19:55.day. It is a story of missed showers today. More hits towards the north
:19:56. > :20:00.and west, where some of the shower is will be heavy. Temperatures
:20:01. > :20:04.fresher today than yesterday. Tonight, the wind picks up,
:20:05. > :20:11.particularly around the English Channel. The rain could be a problem
:20:12. > :20:15.into morning rush-hour in England. One or two showers and cool
:20:16. > :20:20.conditions for Monday mornings. To the south is where we have an amber
:20:21. > :20:26.Met Office warning. To the south, in this zone, we could see winds
:20:27. > :20:32.gusting 70 or 80 miles an hour, maybe even 90s. But the zone could
:20:33. > :20:40.change just a little bit, so stay tuned to the forecast. Showers
:20:41. > :20:47.during the morning rush hour, but they will ease. As the rain eases,
:20:48. > :20:52.the breeze will pick up. By the end of the afternoon, a fairly standard
:20:53. > :20:59.autumnal day. A blustery day with sunshine and showers, and
:21:00. > :21:06.temperatures between ten and 16. So perhaps not quite so dramatic?
:21:07. > :21:16.The police have had their problems over the year, is but this is quite
:21:17. > :21:23.serious. Talks of Plebgate and so on. A Hippocratic Oath plan for the
:21:24. > :21:29.police has just been published. Is it really necessary? I joined now by
:21:30. > :21:36.Sir Hugh Orde, head of Association of Chief Police Officers. What did
:21:37. > :21:39.you think of this affair? I watched every moment of the select
:21:40. > :21:44.committee, and it wasn't a good day for policing. The officers should
:21:45. > :21:49.apologise in the same manner and style as the chief constable did. On
:21:50. > :21:53.the positive side, we had a very transparent analysis of what was
:21:54. > :22:00.going on by a select committee of the House of Commons, and three
:22:01. > :22:03.chief officers stepping up and being held to account. If you hear the
:22:04. > :22:09.tape recording of the meeting with Andrew Mitchell, the officers
:22:10. > :22:14.apologised for the choreography of what happened, but not the
:22:15. > :22:20.substance. Is that acceptable? Whatever else is discussed, what was
:22:21. > :22:25.found in the case was that the officers' standard of contact --
:22:26. > :22:29.standard of conduct fell below what was required. And they said they
:22:30. > :22:31.were sorry for that. Two of the chief constables didn't apologise
:22:32. > :22:37.either, which shocked a lot of people. They need to be
:22:38. > :22:44.disciplined, and the senior constables need to be disciplined,
:22:45. > :22:48.don't they? The way I saw it, the three chief Oster boils -- chief
:22:49. > :22:51.officers did apologise. I'm very clear on this. We need an
:22:52. > :22:57.independent investigation, rather like the ones I had in Northern
:22:58. > :23:03.Ireland. The IPCC should have taken this on. It was at the top of the
:23:04. > :23:07.seriousness agenda. We do not have an independent system. In Northern
:23:08. > :23:11.Ireland, that event would have been investigated independently of the
:23:12. > :23:15.police in its totality. It was the chief constables who decided there
:23:16. > :23:20.was no case for misconduct? They took a view on the seriousness of
:23:21. > :23:24.the case and a finding. They will have to stand up and explain the
:23:25. > :23:28.reasons behind that, and that is what their chief officers did. Do
:23:29. > :23:33.you think the Independent Police Complaints Commission is fit for
:23:34. > :23:37.purpose in the UK? It is not entirely independent. This case
:23:38. > :23:41.shows they supervised the investigation. I think, in this
:23:42. > :23:47.case, we needed one which was entirely independent. It is a far
:23:48. > :23:52.better place to be as a chief constable. What is the real
:23:53. > :23:57.difference between an ombudsman and the IPCC? They are totally
:23:58. > :24:02.different. Officers in Northern Ireland had complete control of
:24:03. > :24:09.every complaint in every system. I did not touch them. That is truly
:24:10. > :24:14.independent. And that would end completely the idea of the police,
:24:15. > :24:18.in effect, judging their own alleged misconduct? And you would like to
:24:19. > :24:23.see that brought in as soon as possible here? Indeed. It is an
:24:24. > :24:28.effective system. There was a reality about this, which is
:24:29. > :24:31.finances. Can I ask about this so-called Hippocratic Oath for the
:24:32. > :24:38.police? Police have promised not to fit people up, they have to promise
:24:39. > :24:43.not -- promise to be missal -- to be whistle-blowers when necessary. I
:24:44. > :24:48.think it is more important than that. We have a new college of
:24:49. > :24:55.policing, led by Sir Alex Marshall, who is driving this onward. The code
:24:56. > :24:59.is not rocket science. It is a universal standard that applies
:25:00. > :25:05.across the country. I think that is important. I think it is far more
:25:06. > :25:09.serious than you suggest. It sets a standard of expectation. It is a
:25:10. > :25:16.public document, and is currently out for consultation, so the public
:25:17. > :25:19.have a right to say what they think it should look like. What about the
:25:20. > :25:22.idea of all police wearing cameras and recording devices, so their
:25:23. > :25:28.interactions with members of the public are on record? Cameras are
:25:29. > :25:32.not new. They are subject to some form of experimentation now. I have
:25:33. > :25:38.a reservation about some blanket policy which requires us to film
:25:39. > :25:41.every interaction with citizens. There have been records of us
:25:42. > :25:45.filming in some peoples houses, where they may not want us to film.
:25:46. > :25:51.The College of policing will undertake that research on behalf of
:25:52. > :25:57.the service. For the first time, we have an evidence -based research and
:25:58. > :26:00.analysis we draw on. But the idea of filming every interaction, I think
:26:01. > :26:07.many would have reservations about that. We also have the dive gear of
:26:08. > :26:14.bringing in methods from the States. -- the idea. What you make of that?
:26:15. > :26:20.Police and Crime Commissioners have the sole responsibility now for
:26:21. > :26:23.hiring and firing chief constables. When this process is finalised and
:26:24. > :26:28.the law is passed, they will be allowed to select chief constables
:26:29. > :26:31.from other jurisdictions which have a common-law jurisdiction. We will
:26:32. > :26:35.have to wait and see. I am confident that the quality of leadership in
:26:36. > :26:41.this country has nothing to fear from fair competition from outside.
:26:42. > :26:47.So the idea of a guy coming in to try and run London which has a
:26:48. > :26:51.different culture and history, that doesn't worry you? I think one of
:26:52. > :26:56.the strengths of British policing is that we understand what it is like
:26:57. > :27:02.to be a street cop. I spent 26 years there, and I understand how the city
:27:03. > :27:10.works. You are saying that we don't need anybody foreign coming in? I
:27:11. > :27:14.would be surprised if many would have the quality of leadership that
:27:15. > :27:19.I am pleased to represent. Thank you.
:27:20. > :27:24.Never mind the green shoots, we are on the path to prosperity, says the
:27:25. > :27:28.Chancellor. Ministers haven't dared to be that positive about the
:27:29. > :27:33.economy for three years. George Osborne has said that a return to
:27:34. > :27:38.growth will not change his determination to continue with
:27:39. > :27:44.austerities. Earlier, I spoke to his deputy at the Treasury, the Liberal
:27:45. > :27:47.Democrat Danny Alexander, and I asked him whether the trajectory of
:27:48. > :27:52.public spending must continue to go down. We take the view that reducing
:27:53. > :27:58.public spending is not the end in itself, it is a means to the end.
:27:59. > :28:03.The end we are working towards is to create the conditions where the UK
:28:04. > :28:07.economy can recover. And where we can have a sustainable set of
:28:08. > :28:11.finances where we can pay our way as the country. There is to be more
:28:12. > :28:19.work on that in the next Parliament. We haven't finished. Would you
:28:20. > :28:24.continue with austerities, if the recovery continues? We will have to
:28:25. > :28:30.look at that in our manifesto. We will take a position on the latest
:28:31. > :28:35.forecasts in 2017-18. We will still have a lot of work to do to reduce
:28:36. > :28:39.the stock of debt we have built up as a country, to reduce the amount
:28:40. > :28:43.of money we are spending on debt interest payments, and precisely
:28:44. > :28:49.what our approach to that will be will be set out in our manifesto.
:28:50. > :28:52.There is no reason to take the same approach as the Conservatives. We
:28:53. > :28:57.don't think reduction in public spending is an end in itself, we
:28:58. > :29:02.think it is a means to an end. People watching will think, you are
:29:03. > :29:07.the smaller party, so if we get another conservative Lib Dem
:29:08. > :29:10.coalition, there will be a freeze on public spending, and the George
:29:11. > :29:15.Osborne approach, which is that we're not going to increase
:29:16. > :29:20.spending, we are going to do it through public spending cuts. And
:29:21. > :29:24.Danny Alexander can have his manifesto as very progressive, but
:29:25. > :29:30.when push comes to shove, you will do it in a second Parliament as you
:29:31. > :29:34.did it in a first parliament. The role that we play in British
:29:35. > :29:38.politics is about anchoring British politics in the centre ground, and
:29:39. > :29:42.making sure that we don't get pulled off in one extreme direction by the
:29:43. > :29:45.trade unions and the left of the Labour Party, or by the
:29:46. > :29:49.anti-Europeans in the Conservatives. We make sure we can have a
:29:50. > :29:54.government which can both deliver a stronger economy and a fair society.
:29:55. > :30:16.We are only -- we are the any party in British politics that can offer
:30:17. > :30:19.both of those things. You have been working on the economy, but by and
:30:20. > :30:22.large, the larger party will get its way and the smaller party will
:30:23. > :30:24.follow. You will not be able to raise income tax on people at the
:30:25. > :30:27.top in a million years, what ever you say now. This is a plan we have
:30:28. > :30:30.worked on with George Osborne. We are delivering that plan. We have
:30:31. > :30:34.set out spending plans right the way through to 2016. That is the
:30:35. > :30:37.commitment we made. Its 2016. Danny Alexander is still
:30:38. > :30:46.in the Treasury. The squeeze goes on. That is what I am trying to
:30:47. > :30:51.establish. If, in 2016, there is further deficit reduction that needs
:30:52. > :30:56.to happen, we have made it clear that there should be additional
:30:57. > :31:03.taxes to make sure the burden is shared. George Osborne may try to
:31:04. > :31:09.say that, but we have raised capital gains tax, we have had a big attack
:31:10. > :31:13.on capital gains tax avoidance. We have reduced the tax relief that
:31:14. > :31:18.wealthy people get on their pensions contributions, and asked the
:31:19. > :31:27.wealthier to pay a lot more. That is a Lib Dem contribution. Do you
:31:28. > :31:33.concede that for average families, life has got harder since the
:31:34. > :31:38.Coalition will select did? That there has been a squeeze on living
:31:39. > :31:41.standards. There is no doubt that families across this country are
:31:42. > :31:46.under financial pressure. Given the depth of the economic crisis and the
:31:47. > :31:50.hard work we have all had to do to get to a stage where the economy is
:31:51. > :31:56.able to grow sustainably again, that is true. But there is another Lib
:31:57. > :32:07.Dem commitment, in April next year we will get to the ?10,000 income
:32:08. > :32:14.tax free threshold. So the government are helping people with
:32:15. > :32:17.these pressures. Do you think that by 2015 the average family will see
:32:18. > :32:24.an increase in spending power is Mac there is only one way to make sure
:32:25. > :32:27.that we do get to that position. That is to make sure we have a
:32:28. > :32:32.strong and sustainable economic growth. It is the economic plan of
:32:33. > :32:37.the Coalition that is the rock on which economic growth is delivered.
:32:38. > :32:39.But in the end it is delivered by working people and businesses
:32:40. > :32:45.working hard to deliver economic growth. You have been watching the
:32:46. > :32:51.grass -- the row over green taxes. Are you on the side of your leader
:32:52. > :32:58.saying that we have to protect green taxes, or those parts of green taxes
:32:59. > :33:03.which encourage wind and so on. The bits that are for social purposes,
:33:04. > :33:10.we could take over to general taxation. That is basically right.
:33:11. > :33:13.We are looking at every aspect of what contributes to energy bills to
:33:14. > :33:19.make sure that people are not paying more than they need to. But the
:33:20. > :33:23.right that our commitment to green and renewable energy are vitally
:33:24. > :33:28.important is not something we will compromise on. So that 4% on energy
:33:29. > :33:34.bills for green energy will stay there. The percentage for social
:33:35. > :33:39.purposes might go to general taxation? We are looking at all of
:33:40. > :33:44.those options. We have not made any decisions at the moment. One
:33:45. > :33:50.interesting issue, when you are reviewing green energy for instance,
:33:51. > :33:57.those critics of wind farms, will they get a say in this? Well within
:33:58. > :34:01.government we are working on just looking at the object to is that we
:34:02. > :34:07.have, for example in terms of helping people with Kewell poverty.
:34:08. > :34:12.We have that warm homes discount helping people in the country. Is
:34:13. > :34:17.that something that could be paid for by general taxation? That is a
:34:18. > :34:22.discussion within government. What is the right way to achieve the
:34:23. > :34:30.social objectives we all agree about. And reports about energy
:34:31. > :34:35.companies not paying their fair share of taxes, what is your message
:34:36. > :34:40.to them? My message to any company is to stop it. Because as the
:34:41. > :34:43.government we are taking steps might across the board, tackling
:34:44. > :34:49.innovation and aggressive tax avoidance. We have a general
:34:50. > :34:54.anti-avoidance rule that has come into force. We are also working
:34:55. > :35:01.internationally to work on some of these problems. So the kind of
:35:02. > :35:05.loopholes, we are addressing them. People are going to be livid about
:35:06. > :35:11.this, finding out that these companies are avoiding paying taxes
:35:12. > :35:14.in this country. People are rightly livid about companies and
:35:15. > :35:19.individuals avoiding paying the proper amount of tax. That is not
:35:20. > :35:23.acceptable at any time but especially when we are going through
:35:24. > :35:29.tough spending choices. Can you get some more legislation on this to
:35:30. > :35:34.help you? We have taken a lot of powers on this already. We have
:35:35. > :35:41.further action that we will take the Autumn statement. We have invested
:35:42. > :35:47.?1 billion extra to strengthen the ability of HMIC to go after tax
:35:48. > :35:50.dodgers. But the international work is also important. The rules
:35:51. > :35:55.governing international companies were set up 100 years ago. We are
:35:56. > :36:03.trying to stop multinational companies being able to artificially
:36:04. > :36:09.ship their profits around. One other huge issue, the high-speed rail
:36:10. > :36:13.link. We had reports today that Ed balls has compared it to the
:36:14. > :36:19.millennium Dome as a grand government folly. Suggesting that
:36:20. > :36:23.Labour would pull the plug. And also suggestions that the real cost is
:36:24. > :36:30.rising. What is the real cost? The real cost is the budget that we set
:36:31. > :36:35.out, ?46 billion. It has not changed at all. And that includes within it
:36:36. > :36:41.a significant amount of contingency. I am confident that we will not just
:36:42. > :36:46.delivered within that budget but as with the Olympic Stadium, under
:36:47. > :36:50.budget. That is a guarantee for you? I'm working very hard to make
:36:51. > :36:55.sure that that happens. We are using the same techniques that we used to
:36:56. > :37:02.deliver the Olympic Park. But I would say to Labour, if you are
:37:03. > :37:06.concerned about labour and the South East, which you are obsessed about,
:37:07. > :37:11.but the economic health of the whole country, HS2 is something that can
:37:12. > :37:19.transform the economic landscape of this country. People in Birmingham
:37:20. > :37:26.would see this as a huge boost to their city as well. But there is a
:37:27. > :37:33.price. Every family has been told there is a limit to the budget. It
:37:34. > :37:39.is the same with HS2. Everything has a price. But one of the things that
:37:40. > :37:45.have undermined our economy over the past few decades, is prioritising
:37:46. > :37:52.short term spending over long-term investment. We have set out
:37:53. > :37:57.long-term plans, in broadband and energy networks, making sure our
:37:58. > :38:04.company -- our country is strong and able to grow over the decades to
:38:05. > :38:09.come. So you will not go over the budget? We have set that budget and
:38:10. > :38:16.we will stick to it. The issue press regulation, most of the press saying
:38:17. > :38:21.we will have nothing to do with the Royal Charter. What happens now? We
:38:22. > :38:26.had a debate about this in Parliament back in March. We have
:38:27. > :38:30.amended the cross-party Charter in the light of some of the things we
:38:31. > :38:35.learned our consideration of the press charter. That will go to the
:38:36. > :38:42.privy Council later this month. Is that negotiations to be held with
:38:43. > :38:46.the editors? I hope that over time and on reflection the media sector
:38:47. > :38:49.will decide it wants to play its part in making sure that many of the
:38:50. > :38:55.problems we have seen over many years are not able to happen at ten.
:38:56. > :38:58.So you're not going to go back to the press and say OK, we're not
:38:59. > :39:05.quite there yet, here is another idea. The committee I was on has
:39:06. > :39:09.completed its work. But focused on considering the charter that the
:39:10. > :39:14.press board of Finance put forward. We have reached a view about how we
:39:15. > :39:18.want to take this forward. That did learn from some of the things
:39:19. > :39:23.highlighted by the press, the arbitration system, for example. But
:39:24. > :39:30.we will now have that Charter agreed at the -- at the privy Council and
:39:31. > :39:33.go forward from there. For anyone who thought that the
:39:34. > :39:36.greatest rock group in the world might be winding down, the Rolling
:39:37. > :39:40.Stones went and wowed Glastonbury last summer, with such a memorable
:39:41. > :39:43.debut there that a new generation fell for them. Soon after they
:39:44. > :39:47.conquered Hyde Park, a return to the scene of their most iconic concert,
:39:48. > :39:52.44 years on. Ronnie Wood has been playing guitar with the band since
:39:53. > :39:55.the mid-70s. He will soon be reuniting with the man he replaced
:39:56. > :39:58.in the Stones, Mick Taylor, at what's sure to be one of the
:39:59. > :40:02.highlights of London's Bluesfest. He's going to play for us later, but
:40:03. > :40:11.in the meantime I'm delighted to say he's here, live and unplugged. This
:40:12. > :40:18.looks like quite an elderly guitar. It is probably from the 1940s. Maybe
:40:19. > :40:27.even as early as the 1920s. Have you had with all the way through? Kiss
:40:28. > :40:34.has had it. -- Keith. He does not know that I have got it! He stole
:40:35. > :40:41.one of my perfectly nice guitars. So I said to him, that is mine. He
:40:42. > :40:49.said, not any more! So you have got that one! That is what we do. What
:40:50. > :40:55.goes around comes around. And you're going to be playing at Bluesfest. It
:40:56. > :41:01.is a tribute to Jenny Reid, who we know as a Clydeside man Matt did not
:41:02. > :41:13.know that he wrote songs as well. He is very much an all-rounder! People
:41:14. > :41:20.may know him for songs like bright lights, big city. He was a blues man
:41:21. > :41:29.from the 1950s, 1960s. The song I'm going to do today is probably his
:41:30. > :41:34.first recording. That is about 1954. Just going back to the summer, it
:41:35. > :41:38.has been amazing for the Rolling Stones. You did resist dust and
:41:39. > :41:49.debris for so long and then gave way. Why this year in particular? We
:41:50. > :41:55.were frightened of by the mud! And Charlie said, it is not a jazz club.
:41:56. > :42:00.Try and see the other side of it. It is the biggest festival in the
:42:01. > :42:05.world. So it was great and we finally decided to go. And then Hyde
:42:06. > :42:29.Park, we can see a little bit of that now.
:42:30. > :42:43.important place for you for historic reasons. That is right. 1969, I
:42:44. > :42:46.remember meeting the reasons. That is right. 1969, I
:42:47. > :42:52.perimeter of the park when Brian Jones had died.
:42:53. > :42:52.perimeter of the park when Brian the outside yelling with people.
:42:53. > :42:59.Advocaat pulled up and the outside yelling with people.
:43:00. > :43:06.Charlie got out of the car. -- a card pulled up. It was special for
:43:07. > :43:12.me. Because you were on stage very shortly after you join the band.
:43:13. > :43:21.Also to talk about your years before the Rolling Stones. I used to bump
:43:22. > :43:25.into Mick Taylor on the road when I was with my first group. He was with
:43:26. > :43:33.another band and he was always nervous. I cannot go on. And I would
:43:34. > :43:39.say, you are a great player, Bill and do it. So I would often play is
:43:40. > :43:44.set as well as my own. But today, we are going to be playing together at
:43:45. > :43:50.Bluesfest. You were with Rod Stewart as well during some of those early
:43:51. > :43:59.years. You look exact in the same! -- exact day. And a wonderful
:44:00. > :44:08.looking guitar. I still have that. It was handmade. You do keep guitars
:44:09. > :44:15.for a long time? Yes. And there is Rod Stewart, not looking the same as
:44:16. > :44:25.he does now, I have to say! You are wearing quite a strange outfit as
:44:26. > :44:29.well. I remember that. And the blues, that is where it all started
:44:30. > :44:44.from. That is where modern rock music starts. And I'm paying tribute
:44:45. > :44:50.to Jimmy Reid. The Rolling Stones is to do some covers in the early days.
:44:51. > :44:57.We all took aloof dad took a leaf out of Jimmy Reid's book. He needs
:44:58. > :45:03.to have a tribute. Rock starts when white boys pick up things like Jimmy
:45:04. > :45:08.Reid and then transmit them back to the Americans. That is when the
:45:09. > :45:14.British invasion came from. We sold back to the Americans what they
:45:15. > :45:20.started in the first place. Is British rock music now dead? It is
:45:21. > :45:28.right up to date. We would not be anywhere today without these routes
:45:29. > :45:38.of the music like the blues. That goes through into soul and R And
:45:39. > :45:43.that is still echoed in rap. People assume you spend most of your time
:45:44. > :45:50.in music and rehearsing. But you don't. You spend a lot of time
:45:51. > :46:00.painting? Yes. Here is a picture of you and Keith. Yes. And that is an
:46:01. > :46:06.oil painting? You are trying to express yourself in paint? You do
:46:07. > :46:14.much more conventional stuff now, landscapes and that kind of thing?
:46:15. > :46:17.Yes, and ballerinas and so on. But also these portraits. Greg Dyke was
:46:18. > :46:24.telling me earlier on that he has your painting of Bob Dylan. He
:46:25. > :46:30.should hang onto that! Here is a bit of landscape, and one of my horses.
:46:31. > :46:36.That is a bit like Bob Dylan. That is a view, from my dreams, of my
:46:37. > :46:41.barn. I went back the next day and it came to me in my sleep. Thank you
:46:42. > :46:48.very much for joining us. You are going to go and get set. We will
:46:49. > :46:53.talk later on. Venky's. Onto the next thing. It started with phone
:46:54. > :46:58.hacking and it has become one of the longest running sagas in press
:46:59. > :47:01.history. The attempt to set up a new system of press regulation could
:47:02. > :47:05.come to a head this year, when the Privy Council decides whether or not
:47:06. > :47:11.to approve the Royal Charter, which will underpin it. Most of the press
:47:12. > :47:14.groups are against it. We tried very hard today to get a senior editor to
:47:15. > :47:19.discuss their case. Nobody was prepared to come onside. Here is
:47:20. > :47:24.Harriet Harman to talk on the issue. Thank you for joining us. Is this
:47:25. > :47:29.it, as far as the politicians are concerned? I think so. We had this
:47:30. > :47:33.long public enquiry under Lord Justice Leveson, because of the
:47:34. > :47:38.terrible things that had happened to individuals like the Dowlers family
:47:39. > :47:42.and the McCanns, who had been victims of crime and had their lives
:47:43. > :47:47.turned upside down by the press. The question was, how do you make sure
:47:48. > :47:50.you have a proper complaint system. What is suggested is that
:47:51. > :47:56.politicians set up a prime work, but then the press should come forward
:47:57. > :47:59.with the self regulation system which is tracked -- which is checked
:48:00. > :48:04.every few years. We have come up with the framework, and the ball is
:48:05. > :48:08.now in the court of the press to come forward with a press regulator
:48:09. > :48:13.to deal with complaints. As you know, the press are going to say, we
:48:14. > :48:17.want nothing to do with this. What happens if you have a stand-off,
:48:18. > :48:21.where you have a Royal Charter, and the press are doing their own system
:48:22. > :48:29.and ignoring what the politicians have said? I hope that will not
:48:30. > :48:33.happen. They are going to. Everybody has agreed that the status quo,
:48:34. > :48:36.which was not a proper complaint system, has failed. What has
:48:37. > :48:41.happened in the past when that has happened is the press have said, we
:48:42. > :48:46.will sort it out ourselves, leave us to it, and then a few years later,
:48:47. > :48:52.they slip back. All this is doing is making sure that when they sought
:48:53. > :48:55.out a new press complaint system, it doesn't slip -- it doesn't slip
:48:56. > :48:59.back. They should come forward with this new system and allowed to be
:49:00. > :49:09.signed off every three years. But if they don't, I am absolutely certain
:49:10. > :49:12.that some publish or another will come forward, established a
:49:13. > :49:17.regulator which has got a complaint system, which is then recognised and
:49:18. > :49:21.authorised, and then that switches on a system of incentives and
:49:22. > :49:29.disincentives, and that is the framework suggested by Leveson. If I
:49:30. > :49:32.am the publisher of the Accrington Bugle, and I sign up to your system,
:49:33. > :49:37.that automatically create a new legal situation, does it? Yes. It
:49:38. > :49:43.switches on the incentives and disincentives, because any paper can
:49:44. > :49:47.join the regulator. What if I am the Sunday Times, and I say, I am having
:49:48. > :49:50.nothing to do with you? The incentives are you can have
:49:51. > :49:55.arbitration against a newspaper which is cheaper and quicker than
:49:56. > :49:59.having the civil courts. The newspaper will not have to be tied
:50:00. > :50:03.up. The disincentives are that if you do not sign up to the
:50:04. > :50:06.regulator, and somebody has a complaint which ends up in court
:50:07. > :50:11.because it is libel or breach of privacy, which is a breach of the
:50:12. > :50:20.civil law, you will not be able to claim your costs against the other
:50:21. > :50:23.side. There is a cost penalty, and you might even have to pay the other
:50:24. > :50:26.side's costs, even if they lose. For newspapers who fear this is the thin
:50:27. > :50:32.end of the wedge for newspapers telling them what to do... People
:50:33. > :50:37.think it is the beginning of huge numbers of frivolous complaints.
:50:38. > :50:43.Simply having costs doesn't seem to be too bad a penalty to pay. The
:50:44. > :50:47.most important reason not to stay out is because everybody has
:50:48. > :50:51.recognised that there needs to be a proper press complaint system for
:50:52. > :50:55.individuals, if the press breach their own code of ethics. It is
:50:56. > :50:57.simply saying, you've got your professional standards and it is
:50:58. > :51:02.right you should have those, but what happens if there's a breach?
:51:03. > :51:08.You cannot sit in judgement on yourself. This would create a system
:51:09. > :51:26.that is independent, not only of politicians but of newspaper
:51:27. > :51:28.editors. I hope they will think again about their resistance on
:51:29. > :51:31.this. We are not running this system. We are simply saying it
:51:32. > :51:34.should be an independent system. You do not sound like you are sitting
:51:35. > :51:36.there with a big stick. You don't have a punishment for me if I am the
:51:37. > :51:39.Sunday Times or the Spectator. At this point, we are taking the
:51:40. > :51:42.charter to the Privy Council this week. It is not for me to be
:51:43. > :51:44.standing here with a stick. There are disincentives in the system,
:51:45. > :51:49.penalties if you like, for people who do not join a regulator under
:51:50. > :51:54.the new system. But I hope that will not be the case. The BBC are coming
:51:55. > :51:58.under the cosh again this morning. Are you surprised by the tone of
:51:59. > :52:04.what Grant Shapps, the Conservative Party chairman, has been saying? I
:52:05. > :52:09.think it is absolutely wrong. He is the chair of the Conservative par.
:52:10. > :52:15.This has not come from the Secretary of State for culture, Maria Miller.
:52:16. > :52:19.He is using the fact we are having a licence fee review to put pressure
:52:20. > :52:22.on the BBC, because the Conservatives are trying to blame
:52:23. > :52:28.the BBC for the fact they are trying to report that the government is not
:52:29. > :52:33.succeeding. It has worked. I am completely intimidated. What about
:52:34. > :52:38.HS2? Annie Alexander is saying that there is a cap of ?42 billion and he
:52:39. > :52:48.will stick to it. -- Danny Alexander. Are you still in for HS2?
:52:49. > :52:52.We absolutely support better north - south lines. We are in better -- we
:52:53. > :52:57.are in favour of better infrastructure for commuters, but
:52:58. > :53:02.not at any cost. Ed Balls is saying we need to keep a strong eye on the
:53:03. > :53:04.costs as well as the benefits. It is no good the government simply
:53:05. > :53:10.complaining about people raising these issues, they should address
:53:11. > :53:14.them, and be properly analytical about the benefits. Comparing it to
:53:15. > :53:19.the Millennium Dome seems a bit like the kiss of death. He was asked
:53:20. > :53:26.about the Millennium Dome. He didn't volunteer it. If the costs don't
:53:27. > :53:32.rise beyond where they are at the moment, will Labour support this?
:53:33. > :53:37.Basically, there is a question of cost and benefits, and you have to
:53:38. > :53:41.look at both of them. So not necessarily. This is the
:53:42. > :53:45.responsibility that the government have for spending public money. They
:53:46. > :53:50.have to be sure that the benefits justify it. Is it the right
:53:51. > :53:54.project? We have to be encouraging the government, instead of just
:53:55. > :53:58.cheerleading for this and blaming people who raise issues, saying this
:53:59. > :54:07.is a massive amount of money, and it's got to be well spent. Thank you
:54:08. > :54:10.for joining us. Over to the news headlines.
:54:11. > :54:12.People are being advised to prepare for a storm which is expected to hit
:54:13. > :54:19.southern Britain over the next few days. It is being compared to the
:54:20. > :54:24.Great Storm of 1987. Significant disruption is expected and councils
:54:25. > :54:25.are putting contingency plans in place.
:54:26. > :54:30.The Chief Secretary to the Treasury has told this programme he is
:54:31. > :54:34.confident that the HS2 rail line will be built for less than its
:54:35. > :54:39.budget. The Liberal Democrat minister, Danny Alexander, said the
:54:40. > :54:44.project is important for economic regeneration beyond the south-east
:54:45. > :54:46.of England. He said the budget already included a significant
:54:47. > :54:53.contingency. That's all from me for now. The next
:54:54. > :54:57.News from BBC One is at one o'clock. Now a brief look at what is coming
:54:58. > :55:02.up after this programme. On Sunday Morning Live, why two
:55:03. > :55:05.children were taken away from their parents by police because of the
:55:06. > :55:09.colour of their hair. Why we should all start paying for the NHS, and
:55:10. > :55:14.the vicar who doesn't believe in God.
:55:15. > :55:19.Harriet Harman is still with me, and we have been joined again by Greg
:55:20. > :55:22.Dyke. Harriet, Greg is making the point that it isn't just the
:55:23. > :55:27.Conservatives to bash the BBC 18 months ahead of an election. All
:55:28. > :55:33.governments do. Labour have done it in the past. I think it is right for
:55:34. > :55:38.the BBC to make sure they keep a hawk eye that people don't strain to
:55:39. > :55:42.the independence of the BBC. The BBC must hold out against that. In the
:55:43. > :55:47.run-up to the charter review and the licence review, for grant Schatz,
:55:48. > :55:52.the chairman of the Conservative Party, to Ray in on this, is
:55:53. > :55:59.completely wrong. -- for Grant Shapps. It is easy to say, I will be
:56:00. > :56:04.strong and resist it, but it is difficult. He is putting a marker
:56:05. > :56:09.down for an election. That's what it is. He is saying that we will be
:56:10. > :56:14.watching you over the next 18 months. Don't you think that when
:56:15. > :56:18.press regulation comes into full force, politicians would be doing
:56:19. > :56:23.the same thing? I think it is different. Some of those Tories are
:56:24. > :56:26.against the BBC because it is a public corporation, and they have
:56:27. > :56:32.never liked it, and they take any opportunity to give it a good
:56:33. > :56:36.kicking. The BBC has given an opportunity with the high salaries
:56:37. > :56:42.-- the high salaries and the way they have handled Jimmy Savile. You
:56:43. > :56:46.lost your job under a Labour government. I can't remember them
:56:47. > :56:51.being very friendly towards the end! I think what happens is that
:56:52. > :56:55.opposition politicians are very nice about the BBC, but in government, as
:56:56. > :56:59.their message doesn't get through, they get more and more upset. Greg
:57:00. > :57:06.Dyke and Harriet Harman, thank you very much, and no -- and now over to
:57:07. > :57:13.Ronnie Wood, who is going to play us out. We are back next week, same
:57:14. > :57:17.time, same place. I am joined by Sir Elton John, a musical legend if ever
:57:18. > :57:23.there was one. Speaking of which, we will leave you with Ronnie Wood,
:57:24. > :57:43.playing the old Jimmy Reed blues tracks, High and Lonesome. Ronnie.
:57:44. > :57:57.# High and Lonesome. # Be on your merry way.
:57:58. > :58:05.# High and Lonesome. # Be on your merry way.
:58:06. > :58:15.# Well now, you're back a-wanting me.
:58:16. > :58:18.# And I'm not gonna let you stay. # Well now, ya went on round the
:58:19. > :58:27.corner, now. # Come back soon.
:58:28. > :58:34.# Not gonna meet me, you just waitin' til noon.
:58:35. > :58:43.# I'm High and Lonesome. # Be on your merry way.
:58:44. > :58:43.# Well now, you packed up, want to leave me.
:58:44. > :59:30.# And I'm not gonna let you stay. # Well now, tell me, tell me baby,
:59:31. > :59:35.now, now. # What's wrong with you?
:59:36. > :59:41.# Don't treat me darlin', like you, # Like you used to do.
:59:42. > :59:51.# I'm high and lonesome. # Be on your merry way.
:59:52. > :00:01.# Well now, you're packed up want to leave me.
:00:02. > :00:08.# And I'm not gonna let you stay. #.