:00:33. > :00:37.Good morning. First of all, a huge thank you for
:00:38. > :00:40.successfully negotiating your way to BBC Two and discovering that we are
:00:41. > :00:43.in action this cold wintry morning. Second, Andrew is in Scotland for a
:00:44. > :00:46.long standing family commitment. He'll be back next Sunday. Plus,
:00:47. > :00:50.we've ditched the official signer today. Apparently we talk enough
:00:51. > :00:54.rubbish without having someone else join in!
:00:55. > :00:56.Joining me today for our review of the Sunday newspapers are the
:00:57. > :00:59.leading Conservative MP, David Davis, plus the writer, broadcaster
:01:00. > :01:08.and most importantly today, South African, Sue MacGregor.
:01:09. > :01:12.The health service is in the news. You could almost say it is the news.
:01:13. > :01:15.We've had stories on Alzheimer's care, on maggots in dirty GP
:01:16. > :01:19.surgeries, delays at A, and today details of a really big plan to turn
:01:20. > :01:23.the NHS into a 24/7 operation, so it's not on a go-slow at the
:01:24. > :01:27.weekends. Well, Sir Bruce Keogh, the head of the NHS in England, is here
:01:28. > :01:30.to explain how you do that without flushing precious money down the
:01:31. > :01:36.drain. It'll cost ?2 billion, we're told.
:01:37. > :01:38.In today's papers there's the row over airport expansion, so the
:01:39. > :01:41.Transport Secretary, Patrick McLaughlin, will fill us in on
:01:42. > :01:45.whether the government is changing its mind on Heathrow. Also with us,
:01:46. > :01:49.the Shadow Business Secretary, Chukka Umunna, can tell us whether
:01:50. > :01:57.the polls are rattling Labour. As the economy recovers, so does the
:01:58. > :01:59.government's standing, it seems. We bring you some behind-the-scenes
:02:00. > :02:03.insight into this season's blockbuster, the latest Hobbit
:02:04. > :02:13.movie. Its star has been telling me how CGI might one day replace actors
:02:14. > :02:17.altogether! They can do so much. It is only a matter of time before they
:02:18. > :02:21.rob us out, I guess. Plus some great music right here in
:02:22. > :02:24.the studio from one of my favourite musicians, the wonderful Jamie
:02:25. > :02:28.Cullum. First, as always, the news from Naga Munchetty.
:02:29. > :02:31.Good morning. The former South African President,
:02:32. > :02:35.Nelson Mandela, is being laid to rest at his boyhood home of Qunu in
:02:36. > :02:38.the eastern Cape. The public part of the funeral ceremony is taking place
:02:39. > :02:41.inside a specially constructed giant white marquee, with around 4,500
:02:42. > :02:43.mourners. Senior politicians and a number of foreign dignitaries,
:02:44. > :02:44.including Prince Charles, are paying their last respects. From South
:02:45. > :03:03.Africa, Peter Biles reports. On a perfect summer morning, they
:03:04. > :03:14.came to honour South Africa's greatest son. He's the man who once
:03:15. > :03:18.the struggle is my life. -- once declared. Thousands of members of
:03:19. > :03:19.the armed forces on duty to ensure that this global event passes
:03:20. > :03:39.without incident. Inside the grandma key, the coughing
:03:40. > :03:44.was followed by Mr Mandela's family and closest friends. -- inside the
:03:45. > :04:01.marquee, the Coffin was followed. A former comrades from the prison
:04:02. > :04:08.days on Robben Island said he had gone to join the a team of the ANC.
:04:09. > :04:13.The last time I saw Madiba alive, I visited him in hospital. I was
:04:14. > :04:23.filled with an overwhelming mixture of sadness, emotion and pride. He
:04:24. > :04:31.held my hand tightly. It was profoundly heartbreaking. It brought
:04:32. > :04:36.all emotion from me. This is both a reunion and a goodbye. It is the
:04:37. > :04:40.like of which South Africa has never seen.
:04:41. > :04:44.Hospitals in England will have to improve the care they give at
:04:45. > :04:48.weekends or face costly sanctions under new proposals being put
:04:49. > :04:51.forward by the medical director of the NHS, Sir Bruce Keogh. Senior
:04:52. > :04:54.doctors will be expected to provide a seven-day service in order to end
:04:55. > :04:58.higher death rates on Saturdays and Sundays. There are also plans to
:04:59. > :05:04.make urgent diagnostic tests available throughout the week.
:05:05. > :05:08.Ireland is to emerge officially from its three-year international bailout
:05:09. > :05:11.programme today. It means that the Irish government can borrow again on
:05:12. > :05:15.the international money markets instead of depending on loans from
:05:16. > :05:18.the IMF or EU. The country still has huge debts, but there are signs of
:05:19. > :05:29.improvement, with growth forecast at about 2% next year.
:05:30. > :05:31.China says that its unmanned spacecraft has begun exploring the
:05:32. > :05:35.lunar surface hours after the robotic vehicle landed on the moon.
:05:36. > :05:40.Yesterday it became the first country to land a probe on the moon
:05:41. > :05:43.in nearly four decades. It will spend three months gathering data.
:05:44. > :05:46.The country has an ambitious space programme and says it eventually
:05:47. > :05:50.wants to put a Chinese astronaut on the moon.
:05:51. > :05:53.That's all from me for now. I'll be back with the headlines just before
:05:54. > :05:56.ten o'clock. The government's about to take
:05:57. > :05:59.delivery of a report on airport expansion. Most people think it
:06:00. > :06:01.needs to happen, but where? During the last election, the Prime
:06:02. > :06:04.Minister toured constituencies in West London and said there
:06:05. > :06:08.definitely wouldn't be a third runway at Heathrow. Now, it seems,
:06:09. > :06:11.that option will be recommended, and so the question is whether the
:06:12. > :06:17.government says no or performs the aerial equivalent of a U-turn. The
:06:18. > :06:19.man in the hot seat is the Transport Secretary, Patrick McLaughlin, and
:06:20. > :06:29.he joins me now from our Derby studio. Looks like it is Heathrow,
:06:30. > :06:35.then. I don't think it looks like Heathrow at all. What we did just
:06:36. > :06:40.over 12 months ago was we asked Howard Davies to set up a
:06:41. > :06:45.commission. That will report with an interim report this week. It will
:06:46. > :06:50.come out with its final report in 18 months. Sure, but the Prime Minister
:06:51. > :06:55.said no ifs, no buts, no expansion. You even put it in your manifesto. I
:06:56. > :07:02.presume that Heathrow is off the table. What was on the table before
:07:03. > :07:06.was that the Labour Party were committed to building a third runway
:07:07. > :07:11.at Heathrow. What has happened since we set up the commission is all the
:07:12. > :07:17.parties, Gatwick Airport, Stansted airport, the Mayor of London, have
:07:18. > :07:22.come forward with this print -- with different proposals. Heathrow have
:07:23. > :07:28.come up with their own proposals with three options as to what might
:07:29. > :07:35.be possible at Heathrow. They are all Heathrow! Everything has got
:07:36. > :07:41.Heathrow in it and you have ruled it out. That is what I am saying. I
:07:42. > :07:44.said the airport have come up with three options. We haven't ruled
:07:45. > :07:51.anything out. We have asked the commission to look at the problem.
:07:52. > :07:57.It is a problem which has been caused over ten, 12 years. Everybody
:07:58. > :08:00.has come forward with different proposals. We will see what the
:08:01. > :08:05.commission says this week. We have also got to listen to what other
:08:06. > :08:09.people are saying as well. We have got to think of the environmental
:08:10. > :08:19.consequences of any of the proposals. But your colleagues at
:08:20. > :08:23.Goldsmith at Richmond said that if you go for this, it will be an off
:08:24. > :08:26.the scale betrayal. He said the Prime Minister will never be
:08:27. > :08:33.forgiven in west London. That will make you laugh in Derby but he might
:08:34. > :08:37.mind about. The Prime Minister takes the points about the environment
:08:38. > :08:41.seriously. The whole government takes the environment seriously. We
:08:42. > :08:45.want to look at it. What is important is that we plan for the
:08:46. > :08:49.long-term future of the UK. If we are going to compete in a global
:08:50. > :08:53.race, have a long-term future for the UK, we have to make sure the
:08:54. > :08:57.country is left behind. That is why we will look at what Boris Johnson
:08:58. > :09:02.has been putting forward, what Gatwick Airport has put forward,
:09:03. > :09:06.what Stansted has put forward, what Heathrow as put forward. There are
:09:07. > :09:11.different options. What is important for the government and indeed the
:09:12. > :09:15.commission is that we come to the right long-term answer for this
:09:16. > :09:20.problem, which has been around for some time. Heathrow is back on the
:09:21. > :09:25.table. The whole question of aviation capacity is back on the
:09:26. > :09:28.table for the longer term future. One of the things that will be clear
:09:29. > :09:33.when we have seen the report from Howard Davies is that it is not an
:09:34. > :09:38.immediate problem, it is something we have got to get right. We have
:09:39. > :09:42.got the time to get it right. That is what we are doing. It is a
:09:43. > :09:46.long-term solution for the best of the UK. Aircrafts themselves are
:09:47. > :09:50.changing. They are becoming quieter and more fuel efficient. It is right
:09:51. > :09:54.that we judge the whole environmental aspects and get the
:09:55. > :10:00.right solution for the United Kingdom, not just for London. I am
:10:01. > :10:04.sorry to keep throwing this at you, but because it was in your
:10:05. > :10:08.manifesto, because you ruled it out, because the Prime Minister ruled it
:10:09. > :10:11.out, and because Boris Johnson, the Mayor of London, says that if you
:10:12. > :10:18.bring it back it is scandalous, I want to be clear that it is back in
:10:19. > :10:21.as an option, despite everything you have said. We have set up a
:10:22. > :10:26.commission to look at the long-term future of the whole of aviation for
:10:27. > :10:30.the South East. That is what the commission is doing. What we said at
:10:31. > :10:34.the last election was that we would not build a third runway in this
:10:35. > :10:37.Parliament. We will not build a third runway in this Parliament. We
:10:38. > :10:42.will stick to our manifesto commitment. But it is right for the
:10:43. > :10:46.long-term future of the UK that we have a panel of experts who have
:10:47. > :10:52.been regarded as doing a proper and robbery has a job, and I want to see
:10:53. > :10:58.what their reporters. -- and comprehensive job. Then we can see
:10:59. > :11:05.the right way forward. And maybe go for long-term at Heathrow. You see
:11:06. > :11:13.more obsessed about Heathrow than I am. Everybody is obsessed about it!
:11:14. > :11:18.Indeed, but let's see what the commission says. Thank you for
:11:19. > :11:24.joining us. Now we go to the papers. Let's have
:11:25. > :11:30.a look at the front pages for today and see what is cooking. We will
:11:31. > :11:37.talk about the weekend NHS care shortly with the man who runs the
:11:38. > :11:46.health service. The Observer, Ofsted chief declares war on grammar
:11:47. > :11:53.schools. The funeral of Mandela as well. The Sunday Telegraph reports
:11:54. > :11:57.another transport story. It raises doubts about the whole HS2 project.
:11:58. > :12:07.And the mail on Sunday, PIN number ten plan to cut benefit for
:12:08. > :12:18.children. Sue, Euan Sutherland River. I have picked up -- you and
:12:19. > :12:31.South Africa. This is inevitably out of date. We have been watching the
:12:32. > :12:39.funeral live. The headline over the Sun newspaper is the Archbishop not
:12:40. > :12:44.invited to the funeral. We know this morning that Desmond Tutu was there.
:12:45. > :12:48.It is interesting and significant that the Archbishop felt he had not
:12:49. > :12:53.been invited. It shows how riven some of the upper echelons of the
:12:54. > :12:56.ANC are. He has come out of this rather well. He has come out as
:12:57. > :13:05.somebody who is prepared to criticise the ANC. We remember that
:13:06. > :13:13.Jacob Zuma was jeered in the stadium. It was remarkable. It took
:13:14. > :13:17.over the whole stadium. It was a rather shambolic event, sadly. Some
:13:18. > :13:21.grand things were there and good people were saying things. But it
:13:22. > :13:27.was too long, too wet, which they couldn't help, but so far this seems
:13:28. > :13:36.to have gone to clockwork. Closer to home, the child benefit idea. Yes,
:13:37. > :13:40.bigger -- a big story. This is good to be a big issue in the run-up to
:13:41. > :13:44.the next election, the question of welfare, the demand from the
:13:45. > :13:48.economic perspective to cut the size of the welfare budget. This is a
:13:49. > :13:54.highly contentious one. The idea of cutting benefits beyond two
:13:55. > :14:01.children. It is a kite flying exercise. This is an article written
:14:02. > :14:06.by a man in high regard at number ten. What is going on is the
:14:07. > :14:12.Conservative party are trying to see whether this is popular. I think it
:14:13. > :14:20.will be. People do want to see an increase in toughness on welfare.
:14:21. > :14:26.They think they will save a lot. There was a figure going around, 12
:14:27. > :14:28.billion. It doesn't relate to this. The welfare tightening up so far has
:14:29. > :14:36.been very popular, and actually very effective. This will be one which
:14:37. > :14:45.will divide the party. Sue, we are going everywhere, China Moon
:14:46. > :14:50.landing. All the papers has got that. One wonders, four decades
:14:51. > :14:53.after Neil Armstrong, where the third World is spending so much
:14:54. > :14:58.money on this. We know it is about the stage. On the other hand, one
:14:59. > :15:03.can think of a lot, especially in India's case, that the money could
:15:04. > :15:11.be spent on. But the rabbit has landed safely. Meanwhile, Iran has
:15:12. > :15:14.sent up another monkey into space. Different objectives. One hopes it
:15:15. > :15:25.is the right magic in back. Last time, everybody accused them of
:15:26. > :15:32.having a stand in the monkey. Europe needn't feel left out. The
:15:33. > :15:40.Independent on Sunday has one about one small hop for mankind, referring
:15:41. > :15:43.to the rabbit. It seems a European from a Greek researcher, has
:15:44. > :15:47.discovered that if astronauts are given food made from raw potatoes,
:15:48. > :15:51.which is lightly fried and keeps its crisp is, chips are likely to be the
:15:52. > :16:05.most popular food for astronauts. Oh, dear! It's not clear how they
:16:06. > :16:11.are going to cook them. After that film, Gravity, anything can happen
:16:12. > :16:15.in space. Let's go to this EU immigration story, which we will
:16:16. > :16:20.talk about with Chuka Umunna. Old Aryans and Romanians coming here
:16:21. > :16:25.from January the 1st? What has happened, on January the 1st, the
:16:26. > :16:32.accession period comes to an end for Bulgaria, Romania. They then have
:16:33. > :16:35.free movement, the same rights as anybody else in Europe. Huge fears
:16:36. > :16:38.that there will be thousands, tens of thousands, if you believe UKIP,
:16:39. > :16:44.hundreds of thousands of people coming into Britain. It has become a
:16:45. > :16:51.huge, contentious political issue. The Government is caught, it does
:16:52. > :16:54.not want to have a fight with the European courts and commission over
:16:55. > :17:01.it. But that is where it is going. What this is is a story, Theresa
:17:02. > :17:06.May, the Home Office, they are looking at a variety of policies. I
:17:07. > :17:10.have to say straightaway, it is a bit closing the stable door after
:17:11. > :17:13.the horse has bolted. This is all for the future. The issue in front
:17:14. > :17:18.of them is going to be the 1st of January. These are 70 MPs trying to
:17:19. > :17:26.put down some legislation, is that you? I assumed it was. I am one of
:17:27. > :17:29.those on the list. We say to the European Union, look, this free
:17:30. > :17:35.movement of people was not designed for a time when you have some
:17:36. > :17:39.countries whose average wage is a third of our minimum wage. If you
:17:40. > :17:42.and I were Bulgarian or Romanian, we would be on the train on January the
:17:43. > :17:56.1st to get here. For them, the British economy is riches beyond the
:17:57. > :18:00.dreams of Aramis. We have to say, let's rethink this and put off for a
:18:01. > :18:05.couple of years. It can be deferred, even at late stage? I think it may
:18:06. > :18:13.be too late now. The government has put off the bill, it is an amendment
:18:14. > :18:18.to a bill that was to be put off. The simple thing is that it should
:18:19. > :18:23.have been gripped earlier and it should have been dealt with. I'm
:18:24. > :18:30.afraid coming fairly strong terms. The Europeans are shrugging their
:18:31. > :18:33.shoulders. We have had experience of 13,000 forecast turning into 1
:18:34. > :18:37.million or so with the previous expansion. That hasn't all been bad,
:18:38. > :18:43.don't get me wrong. It has meant a lot of young Brits have not had jobs
:18:44. > :18:48.or been able to compete, and that is serious in an economy like ours. Mrs
:18:49. > :18:52.Thatcher and the Queen, we will never stop talking about this
:18:53. > :18:55.relationship? There are these two plays that have been on in London
:18:56. > :19:01.and the West End, reflecting on the relationship. This is from the Mail
:19:02. > :19:10.on Sunday. Secret letters reveal what Maggie really thought about
:19:11. > :19:15.meetings with the Queen. The Daily Mail put in a Freedom of information
:19:16. > :19:18.request. It shows that the Prime Minister, Mrs Thatcher, repeatedly
:19:19. > :19:23.rescheduled and cancelled weekly audiences. This must be
:19:24. > :19:27.unprecedented. On one occasion, she turned down an audience because she
:19:28. > :19:31.preferred to have drinks with a group of French bankers, although
:19:32. > :19:36.Number 10 officials chose not to explain these. She declined a
:19:37. > :19:41.generous invitation to a diner and sleep party. That is not just handed
:19:42. > :19:43.out to anybody at Windsor Castle. And that was because Dennis had a
:19:44. > :19:48.business engagement the next morning. It was not revealed, it
:19:49. > :19:58.probably never will be, what Her Majesty thought about this. But her
:19:59. > :20:01.PPS said, I think we had better stop putting forward these excuses about
:20:02. > :20:07.not being able to meet Her Majesty. We might offend dreadfully. Possibly
:20:08. > :20:12.dead, who knows? What we would give to be a fly on the wall, Mrs
:20:13. > :20:17.Thatcher and the Queen. Do you think they might have secretly filmed it?
:20:18. > :20:22.Wouldn't that be nice. A poll that asks a strange question about the
:20:23. > :20:25.political leaders? You were talking about the poll standings in your
:20:26. > :20:31.introduction. I don't think you were talking about who you want on your
:20:32. > :20:36.quiz team. The public would pick David Cameron. Huge you would want
:20:37. > :20:43.to invite your Christmas dinner, I'm afraid George Osborne, the Scrooge
:20:44. > :20:47.of our age, gets -1. Is this a way of finding out who wins the next
:20:48. > :20:52.general election? It is a way of finding out how people view their
:20:53. > :20:57.leaders. Cameron comes out ready well, Miliband comes out better than
:20:58. > :21:01.you would think. Nigel Farage comes out well on things that happen in
:21:02. > :21:06.the pub, like the quiz. Who would you like to spend your Christmas
:21:07. > :21:10.dinner with? My own family, nobody else, none of the above. The other
:21:11. > :21:16.interesting thing is the standing of UKIP. It is up 18 points, against
:21:17. > :21:20.the Liberals at eight. The story we were talking about earlier, about
:21:21. > :21:23.how immigration is going to make it worse from our point of view. I
:21:24. > :21:31.should have mentioned, the Sunday People, a story with one of my
:21:32. > :21:36.lovely colleagues? I would love to talk about her, I think she has done
:21:37. > :21:40.a fantastic job and might well win Strictly. I would like to lower the
:21:41. > :21:45.temperature at it and mention, if I may, there is a very little about
:21:46. > :21:49.it. I had to scratch around about this huge story, in my view. The
:21:50. > :21:56.Independent on Sunday has reflected the execution of Kim Jong-un's
:21:57. > :22:01.uncle, which has startled the world. It has kind of got out of the
:22:02. > :22:05.papers. The Independent on Sunday has got a former ambassador to write
:22:06. > :22:11.a piece about it. He points out that this will be the first time that
:22:12. > :22:14.many North Koreans have learned officially of heresy at the top of
:22:15. > :22:19.the regime. They were brought up to believe that Kim Jong-il and Kim
:22:20. > :22:26.Jong-un were infallible, but they gave trust to a manner that was said
:22:27. > :22:30.to be no better than a dog. This is a man taken out and machine gun.
:22:31. > :22:35.There is a rain of terror, it would seem. I think it is very worrying
:22:36. > :22:38.for the West. Thank you for doing our papers. Ten days until
:22:39. > :22:43.Christmas, we should not be too surprised if it feels pretty cold,
:22:44. > :22:46.dark and went through this morning, with a rather more scientific
:22:47. > :22:48.approach to the weather prospects for the weekend, here is Matt
:22:49. > :22:54.Taylor. The best of the weather conditions
:22:55. > :22:59.are out there right now. We are changing for windy and wet as we go
:23:00. > :23:05.on. Low-pressure spinning up to the north-west of Scotland. Sunshine for
:23:06. > :23:09.many. Fog is a problem, and it will stay gloomy for many. Look out loud
:23:10. > :23:13.bricks of rain erotica push northwards and eastwards on
:23:14. > :23:20.strengthening wind. -- outbreaks of rain pushing northwards and
:23:21. > :23:30.eastwards. It is windiest to the north of Scotland. Still a windy
:23:31. > :23:33.night. Outbreaks of rain, driest conditions in the North of
:23:34. > :23:36.Scotland. Some of the showers in the North of Scotland overnight could
:23:37. > :23:42.turn wintry. Another mild night. Cloudy to start Monday for a learned
:23:43. > :23:48.and Wales. Staying wet across the South West. Sunny spells in the
:23:49. > :23:50.afternoon, still a few showers in Scotland and Northern Ireland.
:23:51. > :23:56.Turning a little bit cooler across the North compared to 13 in the
:23:57. > :24:00.South. If you are after something drier, sunnier and windy, Tuesday is
:24:01. > :24:02.your best chance. By the time we go to Wednesday, it all gets wrong
:24:03. > :24:12.again. Lively wind later in the day. The NHS should be more like a
:24:13. > :24:15.supermarket according to one of the leading figures remain the
:24:16. > :24:18.organisation. Services should be more available and just as good at
:24:19. > :24:23.the weekends. At the moment, patients are more likely to die if
:24:24. > :24:26.they are admitted to hospital after Friday, incredibly. Sir Bruce Keogh,
:24:27. > :24:32.the medical director of the NHS, says that must change and the NHS
:24:33. > :24:37.must become a seven day a week operation. Welcome to you. It is
:24:38. > :24:43.almost the most obvious idea of all time, to make it seven days. Tell us
:24:44. > :24:52.why it has to be. Society has moved on, people expect more and more from
:24:53. > :24:54.services. That is the first point. We have had increasing evidence that
:24:55. > :24:59.patients are admitted to the weekend at hospitals and have a higher
:25:00. > :25:04.mortality rate, irrespective of if they are an emergency or elective
:25:05. > :25:07.case. Interestingly, we have looked at evidence in other parts of the
:25:08. > :25:11.world and it is exactly the same in North America. This is not a problem
:25:12. > :25:20.unique to the NHS. But it is one that we are uniquely positioned to
:25:21. > :25:28.solve. Where we set up as a five day a week operation instead of seven? I
:25:29. > :25:31.think that is an historical event. Historically we have been good at
:25:32. > :25:34.providing services five days a week, and providing emergency services.
:25:35. > :25:40.But medicine has advanced, things have become increasingly more
:25:41. > :25:43.complex. We had a series of surveys conducted by the BMA, the junior
:25:44. > :25:47.doctor organisations, which have also shown that junior doctors are
:25:48. > :25:51.feeling particularly stressed that the weekend because of the
:25:52. > :25:56.complexity of patients and the complexity of diagnosis and
:25:57. > :26:01.treatment. They feel unsupported. This has been brought to our
:26:02. > :26:04.attention. We worry about that, not only because it may relate to high
:26:05. > :26:08.mortality, but also because it implies that we could be training
:26:09. > :26:12.the next generation of doctors better. Finally, there is the issue
:26:13. > :26:19.about are we running our industry efficiently? It seems strange, in
:26:20. > :26:27.many ways, that we should start to wind down on a Friday afternoon and
:26:28. > :26:31.warmer on a Sunday, when expensive diagnostic kit is not being used
:26:32. > :26:37.and, in the meantime, people are waiting for diagnosis and treatment.
:26:38. > :26:43.But it will be more expensive, won't it? How much more? We are not
:26:44. > :26:46.convinced it will. A lot of figures are being bandied around and some of
:26:47. > :26:55.them are red herrings. What we do know is that if you have a more
:26:56. > :27:01.consultant presents in a hospital, several things happen. Firstly, when
:27:02. > :27:06.patients are admitted they get treatment quicker. That means
:27:07. > :27:12.patients spend less time in hospital and the hospital, as a whole, runs
:27:13. > :27:17.more efficiently. We have looked at eight hospitals, all of which are
:27:18. > :27:24.different. We have uncovered that this will probably cost about 1.5%
:27:25. > :27:29.to 2.5% of the running costs. The lowest figure we have seen is ?2.2
:27:30. > :27:36.billion. Is that the right ballpark? I don't think so, to be honest. 1%
:27:37. > :27:41.or 2% of entire hospital cost, it could be that? No, it couldn't. The
:27:42. > :27:52.budget of the NHS is, broadly speaking, 100 ileum pounds. -- ?100
:27:53. > :27:57.million. Maybe 1 billion? You still have to find the money from another
:27:58. > :28:00.part of the NHS, that is the issue? Indeed we do, that is where the
:28:01. > :28:07.challenge comes in. There are many opportunities for doing that. One of
:28:08. > :28:12.the most expensive costs in all of this is the cost of the workforce.
:28:13. > :28:22.We are about to start reducing 1800 more specialists in a year than we
:28:23. > :28:26.have before. -- introducing. Specialists are key, surgeons in at
:28:27. > :28:30.the weekend, basically. Their contracts don't currently mandate
:28:31. > :28:34.them to work Sunday, so you have to change their contracts, I guess? As
:28:35. > :28:40.we know, doctors are phenomenally good at negotiating contracts. You
:28:41. > :28:44.know, most of my consultant colleagues are in at the weekend
:28:45. > :28:48.anyway. Most of them have recognised that this is a significant issue.
:28:49. > :28:55.One of the great things about this initiative is, as the evidence is
:28:56. > :29:00.accumulated, all people in the NHS, from the managerial community, the
:29:01. > :29:03.clinical community and others, they have recognised that this is the
:29:04. > :29:07.right thing to do. When enough people think that something is the
:29:08. > :29:11.right thing to do, we can find the solution. But that is not really how
:29:12. > :29:18.employment law works. They will want you contracts, to be paid more to
:29:19. > :29:23.work Sunday. The fact you know some nice consultants that come in on
:29:24. > :29:26.Sunday is neither here nor there? They have been supportive of this
:29:27. > :29:30.particular stance. The two things we can change in the consultant
:29:31. > :29:34.contract, one is that there is a clause that says that organisations
:29:35. > :29:39.cannot force consultants to work at the weekend. I think we can have
:29:40. > :29:44.that clause removed. Really, you can take it out? You say, work Sunday or
:29:45. > :29:50.you are out of here? I wouldn't put it as starkly as that. What do
:29:51. > :29:54.consultants get in exchange for having that clause removed from
:29:55. > :29:57.their contracts? Where this has been put in practice, consultants have
:29:58. > :30:04.enjoyed increased flexibility it brings to their lives. This is about
:30:05. > :30:09.different ways of working. In fact, someone said to me today, a chief
:30:10. > :30:12.executive of an organisation, he said, look, this is not so much
:30:13. > :30:20.about money, it's about different working practices and proper
:30:21. > :30:25.recruitment of people. The Health Secretary is behind this. I think
:30:26. > :30:32.all parties are behind this and I'm delighted the Health Secretary is.
:30:33. > :30:38.What is the next stage? Getting into seven days could be a ten year
:30:39. > :30:42.operation. I am taking a paper to the NHS England board on cheese
:30:43. > :30:45.day. We believe the arguments are compelling, both clinically and
:30:46. > :30:54.morally. -- choose Dave. We're going to do several things.
:30:55. > :31:02.The first is we have identified ten clinical standards which will deal
:31:03. > :31:04.with what our expectations are in terms of biographical capacity in
:31:05. > :31:13.organisations at the weekend. So, how labs work. Those seem to be the
:31:14. > :31:20.two things that are at the heart of this matter. We are going to put
:31:21. > :31:24.that into the NHS contract in an escalating fashion over the next
:31:25. > :31:28.three years. We are going to make organisations be absolutely
:31:29. > :31:32.transparent about whether they are meeting these ten clinical standards
:31:33. > :31:38.or not. We have agreement with health education England, who are
:31:39. > :31:48.responsible for contracting junior doctors, that they get proper
:31:49. > :31:54.training. We will ask the Care Quality Commission to make sure that
:31:55. > :32:01.no hospital gets a rating of outstanding if they are not
:32:02. > :32:05.implementing these things. So individual hospitals might decide
:32:06. > :32:11.they don't want to work Sundays? We don't think that will happen. But
:32:12. > :32:22.they can. Della Manfred these will be contractually -- these will be
:32:23. > :32:38.contractually binding. But from your point of view it is happening? Yes.
:32:39. > :32:45.Jamie Cullum is one point of view it is happening? Yes.
:32:46. > :32:56.sought after musicians in the world. Welcome, Jamie. Great to see you.
:32:57. > :33:02.so much, I thought I would Welcome, Jamie. Great to see you.
:33:03. > :33:12.about the music and the style. Is there a song? That time but music is
:33:13. > :33:17.really rhythmic. Whereas we count one, two, three, four. African music
:33:18. > :33:27.is in syncopation. You put notes between the notes. They fuse that
:33:28. > :33:41.with Western jazz and add these" to it. -- these open up chords to it.
:33:42. > :33:52.It is an incredible history of music that has influenced so many things.
:33:53. > :33:58.And in nonmusical terms... ? It implies a lot more than you think
:33:59. > :34:03.without using lots of notes. It is many colours but without using all
:34:04. > :34:07.the colours are the same time. I guess Paul Simon changed everything
:34:08. > :34:15.with Grace land, certainly outside South Africa. Now it is a sound
:34:16. > :34:19.recognise, but at the time people were not familiar with those sounds.
:34:20. > :34:26.The way they play the guitar it so different to us. Is everything
:34:27. > :34:32.getting fuse now? Everything goes into the centre. Does that bother
:34:33. > :34:36.you? Not at all. I love the fact we can listen to so many things. I'm a
:34:37. > :34:50.real musical magpie anyway. Jazz is amazing music. Abdul Ibrahim is the
:34:51. > :34:55.father. He was doing that years ago. You have brought other magazine in
:34:56. > :35:01.your spare time. What made you do this? What is in the pages? I wanted
:35:02. > :35:05.to indulge my passion for writing and design. I got together with some
:35:06. > :35:10.talented friends, did something with beautiful writing in, and did
:35:11. > :35:15.something for real, not just on the internet. It has got some beautiful
:35:16. > :35:22.writing and it looks beautiful. Jamie, thanks, and I know you will
:35:23. > :35:27.play for us later on. Now, our next guest is also very talented. Martin
:35:28. > :35:31.Freeman is a huge cinema star will stop if you are not sure about his
:35:32. > :35:42.Doctor Watson, you can try Bilbo Baggins. It was the Office that
:35:43. > :35:44.launched him. We are about to be hit with a double dose of Martin
:35:45. > :36:02.Freeman. Like most real heroism, it is
:36:03. > :36:05.involuntary. He doesn't want to go into dangerous situations. But if he
:36:06. > :36:14.doesn't, he and his friends are going to dive. I found something in
:36:15. > :36:32.the tunnels. What? What did you find? My courage. Good, that is
:36:33. > :36:37.good. You need it. It is amazing to watch it as a viewer. I am not used
:36:38. > :36:42.to special effects on that scale. I'm staggered by what they can do
:36:43. > :36:48.now. It is truly incredible. There's a feeling that almost nothing isn't
:36:49. > :36:52.achievable if you have the money to do it and you have a good enough
:36:53. > :36:57.team. 20 years ago, which was not long ago, you could imagine
:36:58. > :37:00.something, that was great, but you couldn't realise it necessarily, not
:37:01. > :37:22.in the way they can now. Do not think I won't kill you. The
:37:23. > :37:30.lines are getting more blurred as to what is digital. I was going to ask
:37:31. > :37:35.you about that. Somebody went on set and said it is all done in a car
:37:36. > :37:37.park and then the stuntmen come on wearing green and every minute
:37:38. > :37:43.summary comes on and sprays your hair. You must think, wait, I want
:37:44. > :37:47.to do some acting. You do. There are days when you do less than other
:37:48. > :37:52.days. There are enough days on this that you do get to feel like you go
:37:53. > :38:04.home and go, no, I did some work today. A lot of days you do a lot of
:38:05. > :38:11.waiting around as well. Pete likes to give you as much information as
:38:12. > :38:15.to what is around you. He wants to give you some context. It is so you
:38:16. > :38:21.can imagine. Imagination is your chief weapon. There isn't really a
:38:22. > :38:27.huge dragon. You have to imagine it. You don't know what it looks like,
:38:28. > :38:31.what it sounds like. If your physical environment is a car park,
:38:32. > :38:36.it helps if somebody says, by the way, it is going to look like this.
:38:37. > :38:41.It is good to mention the Dragon. It is an extraordinary creation. Those
:38:42. > :38:50.20 minutes worth seeing the whole film for.
:38:51. > :39:00.Do you feel this is darker as a movie than all the others? My job is
:39:01. > :39:04.to make sure the stakes are where they are supposedly -- to be. This
:39:05. > :39:14.summary is facing death, the stakes are high. If that... I can't pay the
:39:15. > :39:22.same character that I was playing before. He has to bring something
:39:23. > :39:30.else to the part. He is growing up. He is. Innocence to experience. I
:39:31. > :39:38.wonder if you were aware of that -- the spat between Ian McKellen and
:39:39. > :39:49.Damian Lewis. Yellow Madrid oh, really? -- oh, really? If that was
:39:50. > :39:52.his only thing, yes, that is a criticism you could level at
:39:53. > :40:03.somebody. I do couldn't do it at Ian. There is so much humanity and
:40:04. > :40:09.talent in that man. Whatever that animal is, he is not one of those
:40:10. > :40:18.animals. Newsbeat team about the CGI issue? -- do you speak to him. Peter
:40:19. > :40:23.Jackson never fully denied it when we brought it up. We would say it
:40:24. > :40:26.half jokingly. I think he enjoyed the fact we were scared for our
:40:27. > :40:32.livelihoods in that way. They can do so much. It is only a matter of time
:40:33. > :40:38.before they rub us out, I guess. Hopefully we have got a few decades
:40:39. > :40:51.left. There will be more Sherlock, for sure. They certainly need you
:40:52. > :41:04.for that. Any good? Very good. You have seen a lot of injuries then.
:41:05. > :41:17.Violent deaths. Yes. Want to see some more? Oh, God, yes. Are you
:41:18. > :41:24.enjoying the thing with him? Hearing his voice, the thing, you are an
:41:25. > :41:31.item in terms of your careers. There seems to be a bit of mirroring, I
:41:32. > :41:39.guess. It is enjoyable in these contexts. In Sherlock, we love
:41:40. > :41:44.working together. It works. Whatever it is, it works. The Hobbit is a
:41:45. > :41:48.coincidence. I don't think we are going to make a habit of it. But it
:41:49. > :41:55.has been a funny old time for the pair of us. It has been incredible.
:41:56. > :42:01.People here might not realise just how big Sherlock is internationally.
:42:02. > :42:04.It is huge. If I wasn't doing the Hobbit, I would say Sherlock is the
:42:05. > :42:08.most successful thing I have ever done. To have both of those things
:42:09. > :42:15.out at the same time is incredible, really. I believe it is called the
:42:16. > :42:19.good times. Martin Freeman there. Growth up, burrowing down,
:42:20. > :42:22.unemployed falling. The government says the economy has turned the
:42:23. > :42:26.corner. Although there is long way to go, it is at last heading in the
:42:27. > :42:29.right direction. Where does it leave Labour? After three years arguing
:42:30. > :42:35.that Coalition policies were making the matter worse not better, that
:42:36. > :42:39.the Opposition need to change its tune? The Shadow Business Secretary
:42:40. > :42:43.is with me. Before we start on the big picture, I know you have had a
:42:44. > :42:51.small business fest in the lock-up of weeks. We did. This time last
:42:52. > :42:53.week we instigated the biggest celebration of business I think we
:42:54. > :43:00.have seen in this country in a generation. Over 10,000 tweets. We
:43:01. > :43:04.now know that small-business Saturday, which was the day last
:43:05. > :43:09.Saturday, pushed around half ?1 billion of spending to our small
:43:10. > :43:13.businesses. The beauty of this is it wasn't party political. It wasn't
:43:14. > :43:18.corporate. This was something everybody was able to get involved
:43:19. > :43:21.with. The reason I instigated it was because I feel that in many
:43:22. > :43:26.respects, you know there is a lot of talk about the American dream, the
:43:27. > :43:30.little man taking on the big dies, going on and succeeding? I think we
:43:31. > :43:33.have our British trained in this country where people -- British
:43:34. > :43:47.Queen in this country our dream is strong as the American
:43:48. > :43:53.dream. Just don't talk about it. Let's not forget, small businesses
:43:54. > :43:57.create almost two thirds of private sector jobs. They add diversity to
:43:58. > :44:06.each of our neighbourhoods. They are an important part of the supply
:44:07. > :44:10.chain for bigger businesses. Given what your party did to the economy
:44:11. > :44:18.while you were in power, why would they support Labour? We know there
:44:19. > :44:22.was a global crisis. There was a global crash during our time in
:44:23. > :44:26.office. We have held our hands up and said we should have better
:44:27. > :44:32.regulated the banks. You spent money you didn't have. We didn't have a
:44:33. > :44:37.global crash because we invested too much in people, schools, hospitals.
:44:38. > :44:42.We had a crash because of what happened in the banking sector. I am
:44:43. > :44:51.talking about before that. You ran up huge debt. The reason we had a
:44:52. > :44:54.deficit by the end of our time in office was because the global crash
:44:55. > :45:02.precipitated a big fall in tax receipts. The reason George Osborne
:45:03. > :45:05.this year alone is going to be borrowing over ?50 billion more than
:45:06. > :45:08.he planned the beginning of this parliament is because, over the
:45:09. > :45:13.three years of a flat-lining economy, he hasn't seen the tax
:45:14. > :45:23.receipts, Corporation and income tax receipts, you need to bring download
:45:24. > :45:31.the set. -- to bring down the debt. We are 3% adrift. Look at the things
:45:32. > :45:35.we introduced in office. We saw over 1.1 million new businesses created.
:45:36. > :45:38.Many of them were small businesses. We put in regional drivers for
:45:39. > :45:42.growth. They supported small businesses. We created an
:45:43. > :45:47.environment in which many of them could flourish. Ultimately, what
:45:48. > :45:50.your viewers are in the business of is the future business. They want to
:45:51. > :45:54.know what the offer is going to be in 2015 and what we are going to do
:45:55. > :46:00.now given the issues we have got. Yes, it is good that growth has
:46:01. > :46:03.returned. From our point of view, it is Labour constituencies where you
:46:04. > :46:08.see higher unemployment rates when we don't get growth. The return of
:46:09. > :46:18.growth is welcome. But to what extent is this sustainable? We can't
:46:19. > :46:22.have a return to business as usual. A lot of people say, because he said
:46:23. > :46:26.the economy was flat-lining, because he said growth would not come with
:46:27. > :46:30.these policies, now it has come, you don't have a policy? I don't agree
:46:31. > :46:35.with that. We said if you choked of growth and went for an overly
:46:36. > :46:38.austere fiscal consolidation, you risked months of stagnation and no
:46:39. > :46:43.growth. That is precisely what happened. Now we have growth, the
:46:44. > :46:49.question is, what kind of growth? There four key tests. Is it bubbly
:46:50. > :46:52.balanced? Coming from a range of sectors? The problem we had before
:46:53. > :46:56.2008 was that too much growth was coming from finance, private
:46:57. > :46:59.consumption and rising house prices. Actually, we want growth
:47:00. > :47:04.coming from a greater variety of sectors. Secondly, is growth evenly
:47:05. > :47:08.spread across our country? Not just from London and the south-east,
:47:09. > :47:12.across the board. Thirdly, are we seeing an increase in exports?
:47:13. > :47:16.Lastly, are we seeing the business investment? On all of those
:47:17. > :47:19.measures, we are not seeing the progress we are going to see if we
:47:20. > :47:24.are going to have better balance and long-term economic growth. Those
:47:25. > :47:27.other forecasts. On every single one of those, the Government is failing
:47:28. > :47:32.to meet it. Point taken, the wrong kind of growth. Another story in the
:47:33. > :47:37.papers, migration. You heard David Davies saying earlier that something
:47:38. > :47:41.needs to happen with this January the 1st deadline. The Bulgarians,
:47:42. > :47:46.the Romanians coming. Do you believe that needs to be stopped? We were
:47:47. > :47:51.clear, we raised this issue with the Home Secretary over eight months ago
:47:52. > :47:55.that we had to have proper transitional controls in place. What
:47:56. > :47:59.will happen with people wanting to claim out of work benefits, housing
:48:00. > :48:06.benefit, jobseeker's allowance. Will that come in and will the
:48:07. > :48:10.restrictions coming in January? No indication so far. To the extent
:48:11. > :48:13.that people do come in and show they can work and bring economic
:48:14. > :48:18.activity, art measures going to be in place to stop undercutting
:48:19. > :48:21.British workers and stop them being exploited by employers, for example
:48:22. > :48:24.making sure there is proper enforcement of the national minimum
:48:25. > :48:27.wage and increasing the fines tenfold. We haven't seen action on
:48:28. > :48:35.that front from the government. Can I say, a world of caution, -- word
:48:36. > :48:38.of caution, of course we need a properly managed migration system.
:48:39. > :48:42.Equally, migration has brought a lot of benefits for our country. Let's
:48:43. > :48:46.ensure we have a properly balanced debate when it comes to talking
:48:47. > :48:49.about these issues. Chuka Umunna, Shadow Business Secretary, thank you
:48:50. > :48:53.very much indeed. Now the news headlines.
:48:54. > :48:59.The medical director of the NHS in England has set out his plans to
:49:00. > :49:02.turn the Health Service into a seven day a week organisation. Sir Bruce
:49:03. > :49:06.Keogh said it was important to get more senior staff to work at
:49:07. > :49:09.weekends in order to reduce the stress on junior doctors and to
:49:10. > :49:15.address higher mortality rates for patients admitted on Saturdays and
:49:16. > :49:18.Sundays. If you have more consultant presence in a hospital at the
:49:19. > :49:22.weekend, several things happened. Firstly, you do not have
:49:23. > :49:26.inappropriate admissions to the hospital. Secondly, when the
:49:27. > :49:29.patients are admitted they get diagnosis quicker and appropriate
:49:30. > :49:34.treatment is started more quickly. That means patients spend less time
:49:35. > :49:39.in hospital and a hospital, as a whole, runs more efficiently. The
:49:40. > :49:41.Transport Secretary has indicated that Heathrow could be expanded if
:49:42. > :49:45.that is the recommendation of a commission set up to consider how
:49:46. > :49:48.best to increase airport capacity. Patrick McLoughlin told this
:49:49. > :49:51.programme that no option had been ruled out and it was important to
:49:52. > :49:57.plan for the long-term economic future of the country. He said the
:49:58. > :50:01.Government would take very seriously the environmental consequences of
:50:02. > :50:05.any proposals put forward is. The former South African President
:50:06. > :50:09.Nelson Mandela is being laid to rest at his boyhood home of Qunu in the
:50:10. > :50:13.Eastern Cape. The public part of a funeral ceremony is taking place
:50:14. > :50:18.inside a specially constructed giant white marquee, with about 4500
:50:19. > :50:21.mourners. Senior politicians and the number of foreign dignitaries,
:50:22. > :50:25.including Prince Charles, are paying their last respects.
:50:26. > :50:31.That is all from me for now. The next news on BBC One is at one
:50:32. > :50:35.o'clock. Chuka Umunna, David Davies and Sue
:50:36. > :50:38.MacGregor are still with us. We have also been joined by Jamie Cullum. I
:50:39. > :50:43.will be speaking to the three on the sofa in just a moment. First, we
:50:44. > :50:47.were all shocked when Andrew severed his stroke in January. As we know,
:50:48. > :50:51.he has made a brilliant recovery, which is fantastic. He returned to
:50:52. > :50:54.this chair at the end of the summer. While he was away, the show had to
:50:55. > :50:57.go on with a number of guest presenters. As it is nearly
:50:58. > :50:59.Christmas, we thought we would look over some of the more memorable
:51:00. > :51:09.moments on the show from 2013. If I was coming on your programme
:51:10. > :51:15.and saying to you, I will promise now to reverse this cut, that cut
:51:16. > :51:22.and the other... You would say... Well, you would be saying there are
:51:23. > :51:25.lots of policies. Working with Ed Miliband? The attitude of working
:51:26. > :51:31.together in the national interest is the attitude I've always had. I will
:51:32. > :51:34.take that as yes. Do you advise Ed Miliband, does he talk to you about
:51:35. > :51:39.these things? When you have set in the seat as leader of opposition and
:51:40. > :51:46.feminist, you know what both jobs are. Why you do say the word, that
:51:47. > :51:52.you want to be Prime Minister? The words will not cross your lips. Why
:51:53. > :51:57.not? It's not going to happen. Do you want to be Prime Minister? Say
:51:58. > :52:02.it. I want David Cameron to win this election. And inability to give a
:52:03. > :52:12.straight answer to a straight question. I don't want to talk about
:52:13. > :52:15.this. I will stand for a seat. Have you decided which one? I will be
:52:16. > :52:20.busy doing other things, but I will think about it.
:52:21. > :52:28.What is it like working with her? She is so incredibly brilliant, she
:52:29. > :52:36.seems to lift everybody around her. I am absolutely besotted. Really?
:52:37. > :52:45.Speaking of red dresses... I never thought about that! Would you take a
:52:46. > :52:50.little turn? You have described yourself as a modern feminist, is
:52:51. > :52:55.this modern feminism in action? We have already started changing lives,
:52:56. > :52:58.it makes me incredibly proud. A bit of Harry Potter hysteria. I love
:52:59. > :53:04.that you and felt sorry for you, you don't really want that now? It's
:53:05. > :53:09.fine. It's not about... The hysteria is fine, it's always welcome. You
:53:10. > :53:13.say things like, you have to keep your feet on the ground. Turn the TV
:53:14. > :53:17.over, I want to watch the cricket. These are the things that my dad
:53:18. > :53:23.said to me throughout my life. Small things.
:53:24. > :53:28.I don't trust the government, I don't want them looking at my
:53:29. > :53:35.e-mails, some of them are very smutty. I'm not sure if we have had
:53:36. > :53:43.a cat on the sofa before. Give me a high five. Thank you very much. I do
:53:44. > :53:50.running in the park. Six miles? I haven't taken on a marathon. I've
:53:51. > :53:59.been letting you run the marathon is for me. A man who likes to strum?
:54:00. > :54:11.I'm not going to strum now. Take it away. We'll do our best.
:54:12. > :54:19.Well, so much to choose from. David Davies, what do you think was the
:54:20. > :54:22.political shock of 2013? It was not on there, but the decision in the
:54:23. > :54:29.House of Commons not to go to war with Syria. Single biggest
:54:30. > :54:32.turnaround. What do you think of Boris? Is he going to be as high
:54:33. > :54:37.profile in the coming year? Of course he is. I must be careful what
:54:38. > :54:41.I say, his dad is a neighbour and I often see him in the street. The
:54:42. > :54:46.biggest shock for me was seeing Ed Balls almost playing an instrument.
:54:47. > :54:52.The bigger shock last week was seeing Ed Balls in the Kings Place
:54:53. > :55:01.concert Hall, playing some Schumann. He is quite a good
:55:02. > :55:04.pianist. It came up in the Commons. I had a remarkable experience where
:55:05. > :55:11.I went through the division lobby with Ed Balls, dressed as Santa
:55:12. > :55:15.Claus. Not a site you see every day. Probably a point of order, if
:55:16. > :55:21.anybody had seen that. Your moment of the year? In many respects, and I
:55:22. > :55:24.don't just say that because Madiba's funeral is ongoing, I think
:55:25. > :55:27.so many other world leaders, British politicians, one of the things they
:55:28. > :55:31.observed about him was that it wasn't just what he stood for, what
:55:32. > :55:36.he did it was the way he did politics. He was a politician, above
:55:37. > :55:40.all else. It's interesting talking about Boris. We love these
:55:41. > :55:45.personalities, the whole Westminster soap opera. But, actually, it is not
:55:46. > :55:51.about that. If you look at Madiba, it shows how trivial, sometimes,
:55:52. > :55:56.politics has become. I rather agree. Direct a fascinating piece, saying
:55:57. > :56:00.he was incredibly concerned about his appearance. But it wasn't just a
:56:01. > :56:03.vanity. It was even when he thought he was going to be sentenced to
:56:04. > :56:08.death, he was concerned about how he would luck, Howard would affect his
:56:09. > :56:11.followers, politicians to his fingertips. His greatest achievement
:56:12. > :56:17.was bringing the Afrikaner nation on board. I could talk to you for hours
:56:18. > :56:22.about that, but we haven't got time. We are almost out of time. Thanks to
:56:23. > :56:25.all of our guests. Andrew will be back on BBC One next Sunday for the
:56:26. > :56:28.last show of the year. He'll be joined by Vince Cable, as well as
:56:29. > :56:34.Labour peer Peter Mandelson. He will also be talking to that fine actor
:56:35. > :56:38.Idris Elba, soon to be seen playing Nelson Mandela in a big-screen
:56:39. > :56:43.biopic. There will be celebrations of Christmas. As promised, we leave
:56:44. > :56:46.you with the brilliant Jamie Cullum, and a number from his new album,
:56:47. > :57:03.this is When I Get Famous. # Well, you were just too damn aloof
:57:04. > :57:05.# Wearing your Morrissey t-shirt # The kind of girl that's born for
:57:06. > :57:08.youth # Well, that's a blessing and some
:57:09. > :57:12.curse # I tell you son beware of those
:57:13. > :57:17.# Who peak too early # Cos all that magic can't be froze
:57:18. > :57:20.# And now it's you who ain't worthy # So, baby, when I get famous
:57:21. > :57:27.# Everybody's gonna see # Oh, oh, oh,
:57:28. > :57:35.# You never really knew me # Does it make sense to simplify
:57:36. > :57:40.# Now we're knotted in riddles? # But I don't care, do you know why
:57:41. > :57:43.# The girls are falling like skittles
:57:44. > :57:50.# Whoever said you needed rights # To tame your beauty
:57:51. > :57:57.# I'll say goodbye to lonely nights # Girls form an orderly queue please
:57:58. > :58:03.# So, baby, when I get famous # Everybody's gonna see
:58:04. > :58:20.# Oh, oh, oh # You never really knew me
:58:21. > :58:29.# So given knowledge, given time # I'd take us out of recession
:58:30. > :58:35.# I'd tell the world that all was fine
:58:36. > :58:37.# I tell Jeremy Vine that all was fine # And that there freedom's a
:58:38. > :58:40.blessing # Cause when I'm looking from the
:58:41. > :58:43.top # You'll all seem smaller
:58:44. > :58:52.# Ain't that what all us humans want?
:58:53. > :58:58.# That is what I am not # I'm the one that was taller # So,
:58:59. > :59:02.baby, when I get famous # Everybody's gonna see
:59:03. > :59:07.# Oh, oh, oh # You never really knew me. #