:00:36. > :00:44.Good morning and may you have a happy and peaceful New Year. A
:00:45. > :00:47.strange thing to bring up on this waterlogged weekend, but remember
:00:48. > :00:50.the drought of 1976, when Jim Callaghan's government urged us to
:00:51. > :00:54."save water, bath with a friend"? Well, now it's updated by the boss
:00:55. > :00:59.of an energy company who's urging us to save electricity and shower with
:01:00. > :01:02.a friend. But which friend? Britain needs leadership so we say, let
:01:03. > :01:16.David Cameron and Nick Clegg lead the way. And joining me today for
:01:17. > :01:18.our review of the Sunday newspapers, the Labour peer Helena Kennedy and
:01:19. > :01:22.the BBC's Diplomatic Correspondent, Bridget Kendall. And in today's
:01:23. > :01:27.papers, the big story is of course the flooding. We'll be going live to
:01:28. > :01:30.one of the worst hit areas - Malmesbury in Wiltshire, and talking
:01:31. > :01:34.to our reporter braving the rising tide of water. Inside the papers,
:01:35. > :01:37.much comment on the year ahead. Is the upturn in the British economy
:01:38. > :01:40.set to continue through 2014? How will the anxiety over immigration
:01:41. > :01:45.and all the talk of Romanians and Bulgarians flooding into the UK
:01:46. > :01:51.boost UKIP? All key questions for the Prime Minister, who joins us
:01:52. > :01:55.live this morning. He's making a big promise today on pensions and he may
:01:56. > :01:58.end the year with Scotland opting out of the United Kingdom
:01:59. > :02:01.altogether. From a real Prime Minister to a fictional one - David
:02:02. > :02:05.Morrissey, who famously played Gordon Brown in "The Deal" joins us
:02:06. > :02:07.this morning to discuss his new TV drama about adultery and his work
:02:08. > :02:11.with the pressure group reprieve. Before all that, over to the news
:02:12. > :02:15.desk and Sian Lloyd. Good morning. More storms, high
:02:16. > :02:18.tides and gale-force winds are expected across many parts of the
:02:19. > :02:26.UK. This morning, more than 100 flood warnings remain across the UK.
:02:27. > :02:29.There are 46 in south west England alone, where the ground is already
:02:30. > :02:33.saturated after heavy rainfall in the last 48 hours. In total, more
:02:34. > :02:36.than 200 homes have been flooded from Cornwall to Scotland, with
:02:37. > :02:44.miles of coastline battered and roads and fields across the country
:02:45. > :02:48.left under water. In Belfast the sandbags are out again as people get
:02:49. > :02:54.ready for more bad weather today and tomorrow. Yet another storm is
:02:55. > :02:57.coming in from the Atlantic. The Met office has warned of severe weather
:02:58. > :03:03.in the south of England and Wales along much of the west Coast, as
:03:04. > :03:08.well as in Scotland and Northern Ireland. That means strong winds and
:03:09. > :03:14.maybe more than an inch and a half of rain. These pumps are likely to
:03:15. > :03:19.be on again today, most of the flood warnings this morning are in the
:03:20. > :03:26.south-west which is already drenched after several days of ferocious
:03:27. > :03:32.weather. There is a lot of repair work and cleaning up to do. In
:03:33. > :03:35.Aberystwyth the seafront has been badly damaged, exams at the
:03:36. > :03:41.university had been delayed for a week as the town tries to recover.
:03:42. > :03:47.In Devon, the Coast Guard on police will continue their search for Harry
:03:48. > :03:51.Martin. The teenager went missing on Thursday, after going out to take
:03:52. > :03:57.pictures of the store. He hasn't been seen since. More than 200 homes
:03:58. > :04:01.have been flooded in the storms but many thousands of properties have
:04:02. > :04:04.been protected. With more rain and high winds on the way, flood
:04:05. > :04:09.defences are about to be tested again.
:04:10. > :04:12.The Prime Minister has promised that a future Conservative government
:04:13. > :04:15.would protect the value of the state pension after the next general
:04:16. > :04:19.election. The so-called triple lock guarantees a rise each year in line
:04:20. > :04:23.with wages, prices, or by 2.5%, whichever is highest. David Cameron
:04:24. > :04:29.said in a newspaper interview that he wants to give peace of mind to
:04:30. > :04:34.people who have worked hard. Labour is also looking ahead to the
:04:35. > :04:36.next election. Its leader, Ed Miliband, says a future Labour
:04:37. > :04:41.government would close a legal loophole which he says is being used
:04:42. > :04:44.to exploit cheap foreign workers. In an article in a Sunday newspaper, Mr
:04:45. > :04:47.Miliband says stopping agency workers being paid less than
:04:48. > :04:54.employees would end what he called the "chronic dependency on
:04:55. > :04:57.low-skill, low-wage labour". The Iraqi government has lost
:04:58. > :05:05.control of Fallujah, a major city west of Baghdad. It is believed to
:05:06. > :05:10.be held by a militant group linked to Al-Qaeda. Iraq's prime minister,
:05:11. > :05:14.Nouri Al-Maliki, has accused the militants of plotting to create an
:05:15. > :05:17.independent state in the region. England's cricketers have suffered a
:05:18. > :05:20.humiliating series whitewash in the Ashes, after losing the final test
:05:21. > :05:25.in Sydney. They were all out for 166. It's only the third time in the
:05:26. > :05:34.history of the Ashes that there's been a 5-0 clean-sweep.
:05:35. > :06:00.Staying with sport, we have just heard that the Portuguese footballer
:06:01. > :06:11.Eusebio has died. That's all from me, for now.
:06:12. > :06:15.Thank you, Sian. Well as we heard in the news, this is a very anxious
:06:16. > :06:18.time for people whose homes and businesses are at risk of flooding,
:06:19. > :06:22.and many are counting the cost of damage done by the bad weather we've
:06:23. > :06:25.already had. Our correspondent Chris Eakin joins us from Malmesbury in
:06:26. > :06:27.Wiltshire. There was a bit of respite overnight, certainly here,
:06:28. > :06:33.and the river levels have dropped slightly. I am in the upper reaches
:06:34. > :06:38.of the River Avon. There is more rain forecast coming into Cornwall
:06:39. > :06:43.now and to where I am at lunchtime, a similar amount to yesterday, and
:06:44. > :06:49.it is a question of everybody with their sandbags at the ready, waiting
:06:50. > :06:54.to see what it does to the river levels. Because of the saturated
:06:55. > :06:59.ground, the rivers react extremely quickly. Very difficult to
:07:00. > :07:05.generalise, but by and large do you think the people are getting the
:07:06. > :07:08.help they need? The exact problem is the generalisation because I have
:07:09. > :07:13.travelled a lot with the flooding and it depends entirely on where you
:07:14. > :07:19.are. People in places are complaining there is an excess of
:07:20. > :07:22.caution, with the Environment Agency covering their backs, and at the
:07:23. > :07:27.same time you get people complaining not enough has been done. If you
:07:28. > :07:33.take exactly where I am, there has been a row since flooding here a
:07:34. > :07:37.year ago since those houses behind with medieval elements to them,
:07:38. > :07:41.since they have been flooded, there has been a row about how much has
:07:42. > :07:50.been done to let the water flow through this historic rich more
:07:51. > :07:54.quickly. It is an historic site so there is an argument about how much
:07:55. > :08:02.you change things to make the rain flow quicker and minimise the risk
:08:03. > :08:19.of flooding. Not everyone will be happy. We are persistently told
:08:20. > :08:23.there is too much building on areas at risk of flooding, is that the
:08:24. > :08:29.case? In Malmesbury there is building around this region on flood
:08:30. > :08:34.plains so it is still an argument, and one which will frankly continue
:08:35. > :08:39.and it is made no better by this succession of storms in recent
:08:40. > :08:47.weeks. Thank you. Now to the papers, and
:08:48. > :08:53.the Sunday Telegraph has picked up a similar story about ending the
:08:54. > :08:58.pensions lottery and David Cameron's pension promise. In the
:08:59. > :09:07.Observer, they have the Labour leader's promise on pensions and so
:09:08. > :09:10.forth, but also the shadow education secretary attacking Michael Gove for
:09:11. > :09:16.what he calls ugly claims about the First World War, is it being
:09:17. > :09:20.perverted by left wing liberal historians. Finally, the Mail on
:09:21. > :09:33.Sunday, the Archbishop of Canterbury text the word "sin" out of
:09:34. > :09:36.christenings. With me to review the papers are the Labour peer Helena
:09:37. > :09:43.Kennedy and the BBC's Diplomatic Correspondent, Bridget Kendall. You
:09:44. > :09:48.have chosen a weather story, I believe. North Wales has taken an
:09:49. > :09:55.incredible battering, the bottling of railway lines, just an amazing
:09:56. > :10:04.story about extreme weather, then of course all over the country. And
:10:05. > :10:17.then the Sun cheerfully says there is snow coming. My eye had been
:10:18. > :10:22.caught by the Sunday express, the tide of idiots. This is all about
:10:23. > :10:26.whether tourism, you have to give warnings to make sure people prepare
:10:27. > :10:32.the bad weather but the downside of that is that people get curious and
:10:33. > :10:39.they want to take films of it and photographs, and what does that mean
:10:40. > :10:45.for the lifeguards who are there to save lives? I was drawn to this
:10:46. > :10:50.picture in the Telegraph of what they are suffering in North America.
:10:51. > :10:56.This is a picture of a house in Nebraska in the north-west which is
:10:57. > :10:59.completely frozen. Admittedly it was covered in ice because the firemen
:11:00. > :11:10.had been there, there had been a fire, but it still gives a sense of
:11:11. > :11:16.it, -35 degrees. Canada, as usual, deep cold temperatures. Extreme
:11:17. > :11:20.weather, apparently, will be part of our general experience of the world
:11:21. > :11:24.that we live in and it is related to climate change. Deny it as they
:11:25. > :11:31.will, this is seen to be part of our life now. We have to get away from
:11:32. > :11:38.the idea of global warming as a benign process, it is about extreme
:11:39. > :11:45.warnings. And you have chosen a story about 1914? Certainly there is
:11:46. > :11:49.a story here which is about a general business of this being the
:11:50. > :11:57.year of the anniversary of the First World War's beginnings and there was
:11:58. > :12:03.a battle about how this should be dealt with. One that it should be a
:12:04. > :12:08.celebration of Great Britain's achievements in the First World War,
:12:09. > :12:16.and the other side of the argument which is that the lessons to be
:12:17. > :12:25.learned are about the horror of it. This is about the left exaggerating
:12:26. > :12:35.and being unfair on those who lead us into war. There was a wonderful
:12:36. > :12:39.piece in the Independent, Margaret MacMillan who really is an expert on
:12:40. > :12:43.this, and she talks about how we are seeing a replication of some of this
:12:44. > :12:50.in the current politics of our times. She is saying, look to the
:12:51. > :12:56.Middle East. In the same sort of ways, we are seeing the small
:12:57. > :13:01.nations at each other's throats, the disintegration of colonising big
:13:02. > :13:08.empires because the Austrian Hungarian empire disintegrated, but
:13:09. > :13:13.also the smaller militant groups, political groups like the jihadists
:13:14. > :13:18.who want to take advantage of the situation, and she has said we are
:13:19. > :13:22.seeing some of the causes in the First World War in existence at the
:13:23. > :13:29.moment and should be avoided. Project, it has been said what is
:13:30. > :13:35.going on in the Arab world is like the sunny Shia division, the huge
:13:36. > :13:42.tectonic division across the whole region. It is a shift we are
:13:43. > :13:50.witnessing in Syria, in Iraq, more broadly between Iran and Saudi
:13:51. > :13:55.Arabia, and it is as if the time has come to revisit those boundaries. It
:13:56. > :14:02.is about today how boundaries matter less, like the weather and you have
:14:03. > :14:09.to keep an eye on Siberia to know what is coming here. You have chosen
:14:10. > :14:13.a story about Libya. This is partly about the same thing because maybe
:14:14. > :14:18.this is about jihadists, we don't know yet, it is about the British
:14:19. > :14:25.man who was shot on a beach with a female companion last week. I think
:14:26. > :14:33.they have now arrested four people but it seems to be a sign of further
:14:34. > :14:36.lawlessness in Libya. We had terrible little information when it
:14:37. > :14:41.first emerged last week, but Mark was a good guy who liked and
:14:42. > :14:46.understood the Libyan people, he worked in the oil industry before
:14:47. > :14:52.the Libyan revolution and how tragic that he should have met his death
:14:53. > :14:57.there. Also, in some of the other papers, correspondents have been
:14:58. > :15:02.talking to people in the oil industry, and maybe this has begins
:15:03. > :15:13.locations for the future of Libya. How can the oil industry get back on
:15:14. > :15:18.its feet? There is a thought that this execution is an attack on the
:15:19. > :15:25.west again, we don't want anything from your region, coming from
:15:26. > :15:32.extremists. It is a reminder... Lets move back to domestic stories,
:15:33. > :15:36.pensions all over the Sunday papers. There's a deeper story in this. A
:15:37. > :15:40.lot of the political parties will make offers to the electorate which
:15:41. > :15:44.will change their fortunes. A lot comes out of this business of the
:15:45. > :15:51.challenge to the Conservatives by eye kip. Some polling which we see
:15:52. > :15:57.referred to on page two of the Independent, polling conducted by
:15:58. > :16:03.Lord Ashcroft, there is a huge defection of Tory voters away to
:16:04. > :16:09.UKIP. The polling is showing 37% of people who voted Tory are defecting.
:16:10. > :16:14.Is the argument older voters are more likely to go to UKIP.
:16:15. > :16:21.Pensioners are more likely to go back? And older voters turn out. Low
:16:22. > :16:24.turnout amongst the young who are disaffected who think politicians
:16:25. > :16:31.are not interested in their lives. This business, where we have the
:16:32. > :16:35.Health Service, leeching away resources to the health service. The
:16:36. > :16:39.lowest number of doctors of any European country. Qualified doctors
:16:40. > :16:45.working within our health service, and middle England suffering and
:16:46. > :16:50.middle Britain suffering incredibly from what has been happen happening
:16:51. > :16:55.economically. Here we are seeing a pan ding to UKIP in order to... It
:16:56. > :16:59.is about trying to get the votes back. We'll see it continuing. But
:17:00. > :17:03.what's interesting is the Conservatives are in trouble. That's
:17:04. > :17:09.what this is a story about. I'm sure we'll discuss this with the Prime
:17:10. > :17:12.Minister. Bridget, your job is to discuss the grimmer parts of the
:17:13. > :17:18.world. You couldn't invite me on and not do a story with Russia. This is
:17:19. > :17:23.in the Observer. It is a great picture. The pussy riot musicians
:17:24. > :17:28.who President Putin let out of prison recently. Part of his charm
:17:29. > :17:34.offensive to put Russia in a better light a head ahead of the Sochi
:17:35. > :17:41.Olympics. We just had the news yesterday that he's going to allow
:17:42. > :17:45.protests at the Sochi Olympics. Maybe limbed where they will be and
:17:46. > :17:53.who can take part but they will be allowed. He cannot get away from his
:17:54. > :18:00.critics. We learnt from this story a documentary film director made this
:18:01. > :18:07.film about the Pussy Riot band. Itlike up for the documentary
:18:08. > :18:12.category in the Oscars. This goes back to this business of, that in
:18:13. > :18:17.fact what's happening in Russia is terrible. On human rights there is
:18:18. > :18:22.still extraordinary and terrible abooss. What's happening in prisons,
:18:23. > :18:26.people being thrown into jail, forgotten about. We are seeing a
:18:27. > :18:37.pretence in this period now because they want to have the Olympic Games
:18:38. > :18:45.go well. President Putin knows this West cares about this But Russia is
:18:46. > :18:51.called to account on its abuses of human rights. The other side of this
:18:52. > :18:56.from President Putin's point of view he reckons most Russians do not care
:18:57. > :19:01.about this. What they will care about at the Olympics is whether
:19:02. > :19:05.they are safe or not. His biggest worry is to avoid any Jihadists
:19:06. > :19:09.attacks. There have been two bombs in a Russian city not too far away
:19:10. > :19:16.in the south. He faces the same threat the West faces. That's what
:19:17. > :19:22.he sees and has always claimed from the time he came into office. This
:19:23. > :19:31.is an arc of terrorism. That story about his treatment of Chechnya. We
:19:32. > :19:36.need something more cheerful! You've very cheerful shoes on at least!
:19:37. > :19:40.Some of the issues at the front of people's minds is this stuff about
:19:41. > :19:47.immigrants coming into Britain. Labour is pointing out in fact there
:19:48. > :19:52.is a loophole which allows agencies to bring in cheap foreign labour who
:19:53. > :19:57.will be paid less than British labour. It is those things which
:19:58. > :20:02.happen where agencies, companies are using agencies to actually undercut
:20:03. > :20:07.the wage agreements that are made. I think those things have to be
:20:08. > :20:12.addressed. Labour's Ed Miliband is raising that issue. Let's move to
:20:13. > :20:16.the Everley Brothers. One of those two iconic musicians has died. A
:20:17. > :20:21.loss to music. A sad story because he's dead but there is a good side
:20:22. > :20:25.to it. Re-evaluation of the Everley Brothers. This is the Mail on
:20:26. > :20:30.Sunday. It is in most of the papers writing tributes to him. The theme
:20:31. > :20:37.is all the same. The quote is summed up by Gary Kemp from sand owe
:20:38. > :20:46.ballet. If you are a Beatles fan, you owe to to Phil Everly. Finally
:20:47. > :20:54.getting the Rec anythings he deserves. The best cartoons of the
:20:55. > :20:59.day? They are Matt's's. It is somebody looking in the fridge
:21:00. > :21:05.saying if 77,000 Bulgarians and Romanians turn up we've enough cold
:21:06. > :21:09.turkey to feed them all! Another, UK arrivals, come to the front of the
:21:10. > :21:13.queue if you can play cricket. We didn't mention that story. Very wise
:21:14. > :21:17.of us. Thank you for that. Now, the weather. Like a lot of people, I'm
:21:18. > :21:22.having a dry January. Looking out of the wind he it is clear the Almighty
:21:23. > :21:27.has not made the same commitment. Now over to Darren Bett.
:21:28. > :21:32.We've had a cold, frosty and icy start this morning. Do not be
:21:33. > :21:36.fooled. We are expecting the winds to freshen today blowing in cloud
:21:37. > :21:41.and sweeping rain to all parts of the UK. It is coming from the
:21:42. > :21:46.Atlantic. Look at this curl of cloud wrapped around low pressure. It is
:21:47. > :21:50.throwing ahead this belt of cloud. That is bringing the rain. Turning
:21:51. > :21:54.wet in Northern Ireland, Wales and the south-west. Heavy rain over the
:21:55. > :21:59.hills. That rain will creep eastwards, clouding over in the
:22:00. > :22:05.morning for eastern areas. Rain later. Not arriving to the eastern
:22:06. > :22:08.coasts until later in the day. Turning milder the in south-west.
:22:09. > :22:13.Gales around western coasts. No worse than that today. The winds may
:22:14. > :22:17.strengthen overnight. Further bursts of rain. Sweeping down to the
:22:18. > :22:21.south-east. Clearer skies follow that for a while before showers gang
:22:22. > :22:26.up in the north-west. Because rain's not far away and it is windy tonight
:22:27. > :22:31.milder than last night. Tomorrow will be windier than today. Gusts of
:22:32. > :22:35.630 mp hrnings around some western coasts. Threat of further coastal
:22:36. > :22:40.flooding with high tides. In between, bands of showers rushing
:22:41. > :22:45.from west to east. Some showers squally, hail and thunder.
:22:46. > :22:49.Temperatures above average. All the wet and windy weather is due to this
:22:50. > :22:53.area of low pressure. It is it is close by on Monday it will be windy.
:22:54. > :22:59.Through the rest of the week, the low pressure retreats taking the
:23:00. > :23:06.winds away. The winds not as strong and hopefully not as much rain. If
:23:07. > :23:11.that happens, it will be good news. David Morrissey is no stranger to
:23:12. > :23:18.playing troubled men in challenging circumstances. Who could forget his
:23:19. > :23:25.brooding younger Gordon Brown in Channel 4's The Deal. Or State of
:23:26. > :23:32.Play. His latest role is in the new BBC drama The 7:39. Written bind
:23:33. > :23:37.Nicholls it is as like a Brief Encounter of the 21st Century.
:23:38. > :23:41.Morrissey's character is married to Olivia Colman whose life goes off
:23:42. > :23:48.the rails when he embarks on an affair with fellow commuter Sheridan
:23:49. > :23:55.Smith. You're in my sheet. Was it reserve? I don't see reserve aces. I
:23:56. > :24:00.put my colt up and you barged in. You sneaked in. I didn't, I just sat
:24:01. > :24:09.down. There are rules. Otherwise this becomes a free for all. No need
:24:10. > :24:16.to shout. ? If you need it so badly, I'll get up. I am I'm getting off at
:24:17. > :24:24.the next stop. How kind. What a kind man. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. So
:24:25. > :24:31.everyone's happy! It is amazing how shaving off a beard has a youthening
:24:32. > :24:38.affect. Maybe a message for Jeremy Paxman! I had a colour in my beard.
:24:39. > :24:42.Takes the edge. This is an unusual drama. There are lots of dramas on
:24:43. > :24:48.television and in the cinema about affairs and adultery. This is about
:24:49. > :24:55.the aftermath. It is bleak, not bleak but a strong moral message? I
:24:56. > :25:04.get offered a lot of roles and read a lot of scripts which at the heart
:25:05. > :25:10.have a thriller aspect. Children going missing etc, I love Reading
:25:11. > :25:15.them and being in them but when I read this there was something real
:25:16. > :25:20.about the heart of it. It is a grown-up drama. You mentioned in
:25:21. > :25:28.yourenttoe Brief Encounter. People said that to me. That is one of my
:25:29. > :25:33.favourite films. Then it was a different time. It is not a
:25:34. > :25:41.commuterland affair. Nothing actually happens? We also never see
:25:42. > :25:46.Trevor Howard's wife in that world. I felt this was a much muddier
:25:47. > :25:50.world, a much realer world. The consequences of their actions is
:25:51. > :25:55.played out. That's very important. It is not this heady, it is for a
:25:56. > :26:00.while which happens between these two people who find each other in
:26:01. > :26:04.this commuterland which is a tough place to exist as I'm sure many
:26:05. > :26:09.people know. They find each other. The second half of the drama plays
:26:10. > :26:16.out the consequences of their actions which is very important.
:26:17. > :26:23.Those bib lickly attuned, it goes back to Corr inn yens, a verse
:26:24. > :26:30.against adultery. A gap in my research! It is set in commuterland.
:26:31. > :26:35.Havings filmed on trains, how easy was that to do? It was very
:26:36. > :26:39.difficult. That is our great production department securing that.
:26:40. > :26:44.One of the great things for me with this drama is you get to know, not
:26:45. > :26:50.like in commuterland, you get to know the other people on the train,
:26:51. > :26:55.who play extras. Every weekend we'd get together and do the train stuff.
:26:56. > :27:01.It was the easiest time for us to film. Those supporting actors when
:27:02. > :27:07.we get to Waterloo have to walk around in the background but act as
:27:08. > :27:12.chaperones for anyone who wants to get into the film. They really saved
:27:13. > :27:17.us working in places like Waterloo Station. They were fantastic.
:27:18. > :27:23.Outside the acting world you work a lot for a charity Reprieve. People
:27:24. > :27:29.who are on death row off the hook. Why that charity? It is not off the
:27:30. > :27:37.hook. They are just trying to give them legal representation. I came
:27:38. > :27:45.across Clive Stafford Smith many years ago, I saw him in a film 14
:27:46. > :27:51.Day of May. He was on death row. It was an American pen tensionry. In
:27:52. > :27:55.the middle was an upper class English gentleman, this man's human
:27:56. > :28:02.rights, he was representing them. His fashion and submitment really
:28:03. > :28:13.moved me. I -- miss passion. And commitment. Guantanamo was supposed
:28:14. > :28:21.to be closed down. Obama's not done that. 15 5 people are onning hunger
:28:22. > :28:26.strike and have been cleared but are still at Guantanamo. Sheikh owe
:28:27. > :28:32.mayor has been there really since it opened. He's been cleared for
:28:33. > :28:36.release by the Bush and owe mam a administration. Nothing's happened.
:28:37. > :28:44.It is about highlighting that. Keeping it very much at the
:28:45. > :28:50.forefront -- Obama. There's a lot of Criticism of actors and luvvies. I
:28:51. > :28:56.know you loath the phrase, people getting involved in these campaigns.
:28:57. > :29:01.How do you react to that? You want people to get involved in campaigns.
:29:02. > :29:05.Be aware of things which concern them. There are obvious campaigns
:29:06. > :29:11.one can get involved in which we all love. They are about abuse,
:29:12. > :29:15.charitable projects but something which has human rights at the heart
:29:16. > :29:18.of it is dear to me. It is a very difficult subject to get involved
:29:19. > :29:22.with sometimes. You can get criticism about that. The important
:29:23. > :29:26.thing is the campaign carries on for me. It is not about my personal
:29:27. > :29:31.criticism. It is about the people suffering at the heart of it. It is
:29:32. > :29:36.about justice for all. We support that, it is about how to deliver
:29:37. > :29:41.that message. I mentioned your iconic role as Gordon Brown. He's
:29:42. > :29:47.become an non-person in Westminster politics, not seen, not much talked
:29:48. > :29:52.about, except in a hostile way. How do you see him now. You got under
:29:53. > :29:58.his skin at the time? That was a drama about a specific time in
:29:59. > :30:03.Labour history. I saw great Shakespearian parallels with that
:30:04. > :30:07.relationship between those two men. From an ideology point of view you
:30:08. > :30:11.respected Gordon Brown. It is strange with modern politics, that
:30:12. > :30:17.sense of how it is presented for people. I don't want my politicians
:30:18. > :30:23.to have a good day on Sr I got news for you. I want them to fight their
:30:24. > :30:29.policies. I don't want them on panel shows. If people don't perform on
:30:30. > :30:34.television it is a big ground and a lot of work goes on behind the
:30:35. > :30:38.scenes for politicians to make them presentable on TV. You think it is
:30:39. > :30:44.shallow? It is not shallow. It is about sometimes the message can get
:30:45. > :30:47.lost in a packed news agenda. It is hard. It is a different time now.
:30:48. > :30:58.For now, thank you. Deml And now to my main guest this
:30:59. > :31:01.morning. Depending on who you listen to this morning, we are an
:31:02. > :31:03.over-borrowed and under-productive country threatened by break-up, or a
:31:04. > :31:07.great European success story, taking the necessary tough measures and
:31:08. > :31:10.about to roar ahead of France and even Germany. David Cameron, who by
:31:11. > :31:19.and large takes the latter view, joins me now. Can I start by asking
:31:20. > :31:23.about immigration? You were severely criticised by Vince Cable on the
:31:24. > :31:27.language about immigration, but I put it to you that the problem we
:31:28. > :31:32.have is that we have no idea of the numbers we are talking about. You
:31:33. > :31:36.must have some notion of how many Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants
:31:37. > :31:42.will be coming over in the next five years and so on. We are not making a
:31:43. > :31:48.forecast because it is unlikely we would get it right. It is not just
:31:49. > :31:53.Britain that has had to lift its controls, they are also being lifted
:31:54. > :31:58.in France and Germany and eight other European countries. To make a
:31:59. > :32:01.forecast would be wrong. My job is to put in place the measures that
:32:02. > :32:09.make sure the people who do come here are coming to work and not
:32:10. > :32:13.claim benefits. On the forecasts, it would be completely bonkers given
:32:14. > :32:20.the effect on schools and the NHS to have no idea of the numbers coming
:32:21. > :32:24.in so you must have a number. I have no idea and I haven't made a
:32:25. > :32:28.forecast because you would be trying to forecast how many people would
:32:29. > :32:32.come to Britain rather than the other European countries, and the
:32:33. > :32:38.last forecast made by the last Labour Government at the time of
:32:39. > :32:42.Poland's accession to the EU was a ludicrous forecast of 14000 and it
:32:43. > :32:47.turned out that over a million people came. I believe in learning
:32:48. > :32:51.from that mistake, having transitional controls for as long as
:32:52. > :32:56.possible, having transitional controls that go on much longer, or
:32:57. > :33:06.having a test so that if their wages are much lower then perhaps you
:33:07. > :33:15.delay entry to our labour market for longer. This time they said quarter
:33:16. > :33:20.of a million people over five years, is that ludicrously high or low? My
:33:21. > :33:25.job is to put in place proper controls so we investigate that
:33:26. > :33:29.people are not being paid less than the minimum wage, to make sure that
:33:30. > :33:34.we deal with illegal immigrants, to make sure that if people cannot
:33:35. > :33:39.sustain themselves that they are removed from the country. Is it
:33:40. > :33:44.acceptable that Romanians and all variants who work here with children
:33:45. > :33:50.back home can claim child benefit in Britain and send the money straight
:33:51. > :33:54.back? That is not right and it is something I want to change, it is a
:33:55. > :33:58.situation I inherited. We either have to change it by getting
:33:59. > :34:07.agreement with other European countries, and there are countries
:34:08. > :34:10.who believe it is wrong, like me, I don't think we should be paying
:34:11. > :34:14.child benefit to their family and Poland. To change that you have
:34:15. > :34:18.either got to change it with other European countries at the moment, or
:34:19. > :34:24.potentially through the treaty change that I will be putting in
:34:25. > :34:40.place before the referendum about Britain's membership of the EU
:34:41. > :34:48.before 2017. Are you sure you can do -- go ahead with your plans on the
:34:49. > :34:53.NHS? It is right that people who don't have the right to use it
:34:54. > :34:59.should be charged with it and we are putting that in place. The
:35:00. > :35:06.immigration cap, many people including Vince Cable say that it is
:35:07. > :35:14.illegal and you wouldn't the able to do it. Migrants from outside the
:35:15. > :35:19.European Union who come here for economic reasons, we have a cap on
:35:20. > :35:23.that, but what we are looking at in the future is that as new countries
:35:24. > :35:28.join the EU, what sort of arrangements we can put in place for
:35:29. > :35:31.them, and as we renegotiate our position in Europe, can we have
:35:32. > :35:42.tougher measures on migration in general. So it is not a cap for
:35:43. > :35:45.Romanians and Bulgarians? It is about the renegotiation in the
:35:46. > :35:57.future of our relationship with the EU. Is it that movement within the
:35:58. > :36:01.EU has become the key thing to discuss? Britain has benefited and
:36:02. > :36:07.will continue to benefit from people with skills coming to Britain and
:36:08. > :36:12.contributing to our economy, but I think two things have gone wrong.
:36:13. > :36:19.One is movement to claim benefits, there is a problem there, but
:36:20. > :36:29.secondly what has gone wrong, the scale of the movements have been so
:36:30. > :36:36.big. When Poland and the other A8 countries, when they joined 1.5
:36:37. > :36:41.million people initially came from those countries to Britain. That is
:36:42. > :36:46.a massive population move and I think we need proper and better
:36:47. > :36:50.controls. It is an issue I would want to address in the
:36:51. > :36:57.renegotiation. There must be different rules before the next
:36:58. > :37:01.group of countries succeed? Every time a new country joins the
:37:02. > :37:06.European Union, there has to be unanimity around the table about
:37:07. > :37:13.what the arrangements are so Britain will be able to insist on a
:37:14. > :37:16.tougher, more robust regime. Broadly speaking, do you think the
:37:17. > :37:22.immigration levels we have seen over the last ten years have been good
:37:23. > :37:29.for Britain or bad for Britain? It has been too high. Immigrants bring
:37:30. > :37:36.value to Britain and many become British citizens, but over the last
:37:37. > :37:40.decade it has been too high. We saw net migration under the Labour party
:37:41. > :37:45.of 2.3 million, the scale was too big, the pace was too fast and it
:37:46. > :37:51.was not properly managed and thought through. Peter Mandelson said that
:37:52. > :37:57.the last Labour government sent out search parties to look for migrants
:37:58. > :38:03.to come to Britain. The key thing is not just our migration policy, there
:38:04. > :38:08.is a three sided coin, immigration, welfare and education. If we get our
:38:09. > :38:12.education and welfare systems right, we will get more British people into
:38:13. > :38:19.the job is made available and that will reduce pull factor the UK. Net
:38:20. > :38:26.immigration is going up at the moment, it increased last year from
:38:27. > :38:30.the previous year. It is down almost a third since I became Prime
:38:31. > :38:35.Minister. I said we want to get it to the tens of thousands, we are not
:38:36. > :38:41.there yet, but it has come down by just less than a third. We want to
:38:42. > :38:46.close down bogus colleges, when I became prime minister there were a
:38:47. > :38:50.lot of bogus colleges attracting people into Britain who were
:38:51. > :38:54.claiming to be students. I don't blame those people, if they don't
:38:55. > :39:01.have any money of course they want to come but it has got to be
:39:02. > :39:05.managed. It is very difficult to measure who goes out, which is a
:39:06. > :39:11.really big problem. Absolutely right, as well as proper entry
:39:12. > :39:16.controls, you need proper lexicon controls and we are putting them in
:39:17. > :39:28.place over the next couple of years. It will be linked to the e-border
:39:29. > :39:34.scheme. Let's turn to Europe. You told me six months ago that it was
:39:35. > :39:38.an urgent matter to get the list of demands for your renegotiation from
:39:39. > :39:44.Europe, there is still no sign of that. I don't really accept that.
:39:45. > :39:49.Even before starting this renegotiation, we have won back
:39:50. > :40:01.powers from Brussels. I got us out of the bailout scheme, so we don't
:40:02. > :40:06.have to bail out other countries, I have managed to cut the EU budget,
:40:07. > :40:11.the first prime minister in history to do that, next year it is going
:40:12. > :40:16.down rather than up, and I have started to set out those things that
:40:17. > :40:20.needed to change. We need change on claiming benefits, on free movement,
:40:21. > :40:25.I said we want to get Britain out of the idea that there is an ever
:40:26. > :40:31.closer union within the European Union. We don't want that, we want
:40:32. > :40:40.to have trade and cooperation, so we are making progress. I have set
:40:41. > :40:45.until 2017 to give time to get the renegotiation right. At the moment,
:40:46. > :40:49.half of the British population according to polls want to leave the
:40:50. > :40:53.European Union, and you are creating a referendum that will allow them to
:40:54. > :40:59.do so. We don't have any sign yet of what the red lines will be. We are
:41:00. > :41:05.still in a position where most people want to leave. What most
:41:06. > :41:11.people in this country want is a real choice. They don't want a
:41:12. > :41:15.choice of shall we stay in this organisation that isn't working or
:41:16. > :41:22.shall we leave, they want to change it and then decide, and that is what
:41:23. > :41:27.they will get from me as prime minister and former Conservative
:41:28. > :41:32.government. When, if ever, we will hear from you, these will be my red
:41:33. > :41:40.lines without which I will not go to the British people. I have already
:41:41. > :41:47.said some of them, but also we need more flexibility, more
:41:48. > :41:58.competitiveness in small businesses, and I have given myself, rightly,
:41:59. > :42:08.the referendum... If I am prime minister, there will be an input
:42:09. > :42:18.referendum before the end of 2017. -- in-out. I think it is
:42:19. > :42:23.achievable. Because the rest of Europe, because we have 18 countries
:42:24. > :42:28.now in a single currency, they need change, more common taxes, more
:42:29. > :42:32.banking unions, and they need change, and as they need change, we
:42:33. > :42:38.should be able to get change as well. It is not achievable if you
:42:39. > :42:44.are still linked to the Liberal Democrats who oppose this tooth and
:42:45. > :42:48.nail. The Liberal Democrats have their own views about Europe, but I
:42:49. > :42:52.have said clearly if we are going into the next election with a clear
:42:53. > :42:57.agenda on Europe that I think people will back, and to put it beyond any
:42:58. > :43:04.doubt, if I am Prime Minister there will be a referendum by the end of
:43:05. > :43:10.2017. If there isn't an overall majority, you would prefer to run a
:43:11. > :43:16.minority government done with the coalition? I am going all out for a
:43:17. > :43:23.Conservative victory, I think that is achievable. We have a long-term
:43:24. > :43:27.economic plan which is working, we have 400,000 new businesses
:43:28. > :43:31.operating in Britain, we are one of the fastest-growing countries now in
:43:32. > :43:37.the Western world, but we cannot be complacent. The job is not even
:43:38. > :43:42.halfway finished. This is a vital time in the history of this country
:43:43. > :43:48.and the opposition are committed to on doing our good work. They want to
:43:49. > :43:55.spend more and taxed more. And yet the public is in favour of that,
:43:56. > :43:58.according to the polls. Is for me it is about putting in place the
:43:59. > :44:05.long-term plan, and I am content I will be judged in 2015, but the
:44:06. > :44:08.public need to know that the opposition are committed to undoing
:44:09. > :44:13.all of that good work. It would be like handing back the keys to the
:44:14. > :44:19.people who crashed the car in the first place. They have learned
:44:20. > :44:25.nothing about the economy. And yet they are nine points ahead, what is
:44:26. > :44:29.the camera and problem? When you are delivering a long-term economic
:44:30. > :44:33.plan, reforming welfare and education, making sure small
:44:34. > :44:40.businesses can hire people, you have to make difficult decisions. We made
:44:41. > :44:45.very difficult decisions, asking people to retire later, lifting the
:44:46. > :44:50.pension age to 66, and as a result, I can say today that we will have
:44:51. > :44:55.the pension plan for the future. We are not fighting the election yet,
:44:56. > :45:00.it will be in 16 months. I want to do everything I can to turn this
:45:01. > :45:05.country around and give it a chance of success. The public will judge at
:45:06. > :45:11.the election and I think perhaps politicians, the media, everyone, we
:45:12. > :45:16.spend too much time on the daily strategy political battle, who was
:45:17. > :45:21.up and down, I am not interested in that. I have this opportunity to put
:45:22. > :45:26.in place a long-term plan that gives this country a real chance of
:45:27. > :45:32.success. Let me turn to pensions. There is a
:45:33. > :45:40.triple lock in place. Pensioners until Twenty20 are guaranteed no
:45:41. > :45:47.increase? That's right. Pensions go up by 2. 5%. Earnings, prices or
:45:48. > :45:51.which ever is highest. Earnings haven't been going up quickly
:45:52. > :45:55.because we've been recovering from this appalling recession we've had
:45:56. > :45:59.under Labour. We are saying because we've taken these difficult
:46:00. > :46:05.decisions, because we are asking people to retire later, first to 66
:46:06. > :46:09.and then upwards. We are able to make this decision we'll keep the
:46:10. > :46:13.triple lock in place until at least the next Parliament so people know
:46:14. > :46:17.wages will be growing. If they didn't, your pension will be
:46:18. > :46:21.protected because you have the 2. 2.5%. This is a huge commitment for
:46:22. > :46:26.the Government when you are cutting in so many other areas. It is
:46:27. > :46:31.connected to the fact 68% of pensioners vote? A much higher
:46:32. > :46:36.proportion than any other group? No, it is a choice based on values. I
:46:37. > :46:40.want people to have dignity and security in their old age. People
:46:41. > :46:45.who've worked hard, done the right thing. Provided for their families.
:46:46. > :46:50.They should know they will get a decent state pension not lagging
:46:51. > :46:58.behind earnings. We have to do more to help young people. Which is why
:46:59. > :47:02.we are abolishing the jobs tax. Investing in apprenticeships. The
:47:03. > :47:09.choice I make is yes, we should be giving pensioners dignity and
:47:10. > :47:15.security. You can't prioritise everyone but you are pensioners. Is
:47:16. > :47:21.it at times when you're putting a welfare cap? It is fair, you should
:47:22. > :47:26.be protecting pensions. In terms of working age welfare which we have
:47:27. > :47:31.tried to reduce and control, we put in place a welfare cap so a family
:47:32. > :47:36.is never better off out of work than in work. That is right. There is
:47:37. > :47:43.more we can do in terms of reforming welfare. Going back to the #e78
:47:44. > :47:48.immigration argument, people need to be keen to go to work rather than
:47:49. > :47:53.live on welfare. That job is not yet complete. You are going to put in an
:47:54. > :48:01.overall welfare cap. How and when is that going to happen? Will it be a
:48:02. > :48:06.%age of total GDP or Government cash spending? The Chancellor will be
:48:07. > :48:10.spelling it out in the weeks to come. We control tightly the
:48:11. > :48:14.spending departments do, the home office and the agriculture
:48:15. > :48:18.department and such like. We haven't controlled in the past in this
:48:19. > :48:24.country the welfare bill which has gone up and up and up. You put in
:48:25. > :48:29.place a welfare cap on the overall budget. We exclude pensions from it.
:48:30. > :48:34.If you have to break that welfare cap because you're not getting
:48:35. > :48:38.unemployment down, you're not dealing with the problems of
:48:39. > :48:41.welfare, you'd have to have an explicit vote in the House of
:48:42. > :48:43.Commons. It is to encourage the Government and House of Commons to
:48:44. > :48:50.control all of Government spending not just some of it. This suggests a
:48:51. > :48:54.tough squeeze on housing and child benefit. Once you take out pensions
:48:55. > :49:00.that's what you're really talking about? Housing benefit has gone far
:49:01. > :49:04.too high. We are spending something over ?20 billion a year on housing
:49:05. > :49:10.benefit. That is an enormous amount of money. We've already made some
:49:11. > :49:14.big changes. When we came to power some families were getting up to
:49:15. > :49:20.?80,000 a year in housing benefit. We've stopped that. Put a cap on it.
:49:21. > :49:25.There's more we can do to reform our Ben pilothouse /* -- benefits
:49:26. > :49:29.system. I want young people when they leave school and university to
:49:30. > :49:35.have a choice of earning or learning. The idea of signing on,
:49:36. > :49:40.getting housing benefit, living lives on benefits, the Dutch other
:49:41. > :49:45.countries don't allow that. You can eastern or learn but a life on
:49:46. > :49:50.benefits is not an option. What about wealthier pensioners being
:49:51. > :49:55.able to pick up benefits, television licences, free travel, winter fuel
:49:56. > :49:59.and so forth? Will that continue? I made a promise if I became Prime
:50:00. > :50:03.Minister I would keep in this Parliament those things. We've kept
:50:04. > :50:08.that. It is important to keep these promises. Will you make this promise
:50:09. > :50:13.again? We'll set out our plans for the next election in our manifesto.
:50:14. > :50:18.I made promises like delivering on our aid promises. When you make
:50:19. > :50:23.these very clear public promises, you should keep them. What about
:50:24. > :50:29.taxation? You'd like to bring the rate down to 40p. I want taxes which
:50:30. > :50:35.mean the rich pay not just a fair share but I want the rich to pay
:50:36. > :50:39.more in taxes. You should set tax rates which encourage people to
:50:40. > :50:44.eastern, set up businesses and then pay taxes. With the 45p rate, it
:50:45. > :50:48.will bring in a better percentage of money than the 50p rate did. You
:50:49. > :50:54.should always look at though you set taxes in that way. The priority and
:50:55. > :50:58.the priority of this Government is to target tax reductions on the
:50:59. > :51:02.poorest people in our country. That's why we've raised to ?10,000
:51:03. > :51:08.the amount you can eastern before you start paying taxes. Why we've
:51:09. > :51:14.frozen the council tax, cut petrol duty. Do you want to cut the top
:51:15. > :51:21.rate of income tax? We'll set taxes to raise revenue. Not to make a
:51:22. > :51:25.political point. If I had money in the covers, you would target that
:51:26. > :51:28.money at the lowest paid, at those who work hard, who want to get on.
:51:29. > :51:34.Those are the ones who need our help. You cannot cut taxes unless
:51:35. > :51:40.you control spending. The opposition is not committed to controlling
:51:41. > :51:43.spending. There are further spending reductions which have to be made.
:51:44. > :51:49.Only then can you cut people's taxes. We have cut taxes but not by
:51:50. > :51:53.increasing borrowing. Talking about spending commitments. Are local
:51:54. > :51:56.authorities struggling with floods because the Environment Agency and
:51:57. > :52:01.their own budgets have been cut too far too fast? On the Environment
:52:02. > :52:07.Agency and flood defences we are spending ?2. 3 billion in this
:52:08. > :52:11.four-year period on flood defences. We enabled them to access other
:52:12. > :52:17.sources of money, partnership funding. We'll see record levels of
:52:18. > :52:21.spending on flood defences. We've guaranteed that until 2020 so they
:52:22. > :52:26.can plan for the future. Local authorities have had to make
:52:27. > :52:30.difficult decisions. The Environment Agency has to control its budgets
:52:31. > :52:37.carefully. We have increased the amount of money they get for
:52:38. > :52:43.frontline... You're happy? First of all huge sympathy for anyone who's
:52:44. > :52:48.had a house or office flooded. It is dreadful. I think community response
:52:49. > :52:52.has been incredible. I saw how people come together, help, the
:52:53. > :52:56.emergency services have done a great job. There are always lessons to
:52:57. > :53:01.learn. We are doing a lot more things better. Flood warnings are
:53:02. > :53:03.better, flood defences have protected tens of thousands of
:53:04. > :53:10.homes. There will be always lessons to be learned. If this September the
:53:11. > :53:15.Scots vote to leave the UK it will be a body blow to the authority of
:53:16. > :53:21.qlour own Government but you seem determined not to debate openly with
:53:22. > :53:25.Alex Salmond? I hope the Scots vote to stay in the UK. It was right to
:53:26. > :53:30.give them that choice. They voted for an SNP Government in Scotland.
:53:31. > :53:33.If the UK Government said we are not listening, you can't have a
:53:34. > :53:38.referendum, that would be wrong. We've done the mature sensible
:53:39. > :53:43.thing. Let's have a fair and decisive and legal referendum. As of
:53:44. > :53:48.this issue of the debate, Alex Salmond is losing the current
:53:49. > :53:53.argument and wants to change it. This is not a debate between me and
:53:54. > :53:58.him. Between the Prime Minister of the UK and the first minister of
:53:59. > :54:02.Scotland. Shouldn't it be? No. The debate should be between people in
:54:03. > :54:07.Scotland who want to stay and people in Scotland who wanted to go. But it
:54:08. > :54:11.affects you and everybody across these whole islands not just the
:54:12. > :54:18.Scots. It does and we debate these things in Parliament and the media.
:54:19. > :54:22.The key question, does Scotland stay in the united kingdom or leave, that
:54:23. > :54:27.is for the Scots is to decide. I don't have a vote. I'd vote to keep
:54:28. > :54:32.our family of nations together. It is for the Scots to decide. Prime
:54:33. > :54:37.Minister, for now, thank you. Over to Sean for the news headlines. The
:54:38. > :54:41.Prime Minister has promised a future Conservative Government would defend
:54:42. > :54:44.the level of the stays pension. David Cameron said he would retain
:54:45. > :54:47.for the next Parliament the so-called triple lock which
:54:48. > :54:51.guarantees that pensions rise in line with average earnings,
:54:52. > :54:56.inflation or at a rate of 2. 5% which ever is higher. He said it was
:54:57. > :55:00.a choice based on values and people deserved dignity and security in old
:55:01. > :55:06.age. But he declined to say whether the next Conservative fan fess toe
:55:07. > :55:09.would include a promise to retain university pension benefits such as
:55:10. > :55:14.the winter fuel allowance. More storms, high tides and
:55:15. > :55:19.galeforce winds are expected across American are parts of the UK as
:55:20. > :55:24.communities assess the damage of the bad weather. Over 100 flood warnings
:55:25. > :55:28.remain in place. There are 46 in south-west England alone where the
:55:29. > :55:33.ground is already saturated after heavy rainfall in the last 48 hours.
:55:34. > :55:45.That's it from me, the next news on BBC is at 1.00: We're back for our
:55:46. > :55:48.seventh series at 10.00am. We're discussing immigration with
:55:49. > :55:56.politicians. Journalists, people of faith and having a baby over 40, is
:55:57. > :56:01.it selfish and last, sin. See you at 10.00am. Here the Prime Minister is
:56:02. > :56:05.still with us as are Helena Kennedy and Bridget Kendall. I was going to
:56:06. > :56:09.ask about Syria. It is a big interest of Bridget's here. It could
:56:10. > :56:16.be said the Labour Party got you off the hook. We'd be engaged in a war
:56:17. > :56:20.if it hadn't been for that vote in the House of Commons. Are they
:56:21. > :56:27.right? No-one was contemplating going to war in Syria. It was what
:56:28. > :56:31.was the right reaction to the chemical weapons in Syria. It was a
:56:32. > :56:35.tough reaction. The message was clear enough so I believe the Syrian
:56:36. > :56:40.Government are making steps to get rid of their chapelal weapons. We
:56:41. > :56:44.must measure and quantify what's happening. It is a tragic situation
:56:45. > :56:50.which we need to do more about. Prime Minister, I wanted to ask with
:56:51. > :56:56.the Sochi Olympics. You made a lot about the Olympic bond. You flu out
:56:57. > :57:03.to -- flew out to Sochi. Your office made it clear you're not going to
:57:04. > :57:09.Sochi Olympics? My schedule is not set yet. We are not boycotting the
:57:10. > :57:14.Sochi Olympics. Ministers and athletes will be going. I wish them
:57:15. > :57:18.a successful Games. I raised issues about human rights and gay rights
:57:19. > :57:30.with president poult /* as I always do. We wish them a successful Games.
:57:31. > :57:34.Our switch thinks to those victims of those Islamist extremists
:57:35. > :57:40.attacks. Can the rufrpingss guarantee a safe Olympics? We're
:57:41. > :57:44.working with them. We'll give advice all the way through. Prime Minister,
:57:45. > :57:48.your Government is making a lot of noise about pulling out of the
:57:49. > :57:54.European Court. How can you talk about Europe rights to Russia who
:57:55. > :57:58.will be rubbing their hands in glee if Britain pulls out of the European
:57:59. > :58:03.Court of Human Rights? We have a proud record of European Court of
:58:04. > :58:09.human rights even before that was started. The message to Putin, if we
:58:10. > :58:13.pull out of the European Court, that's great, we can ignore them too
:58:14. > :58:21.and ignore human rights? I don't accept that. The court of human
:58:22. > :58:27.rights said prisoners want the vote. I'm not happy for prisoners to have
:58:28. > :58:31.the vote. We are out of time. Sorry. Join us again next week. I'll be
:58:32. > :58:37.joined by Nick Clegg for the second of our party interviews of 2014. In
:58:38. > :58:43.the meantime, we'll leave you with a song from the ever brother on the
:58:44. > :58:48.weekend Phil Everly sadly died. Here he is with brother Don singing Long
:58:49. > :58:54.Time Gone. Goodbye.
:58:55. > :59:07.# You cheated me and left me lonely # I tried to be your very own
:59:08. > :59:14.# There'll be a day you'll want me only
:59:15. > :59:21.# But when I leave, I'll be a long time gone
:59:22. > :59:30.# Be a long time gone, be a long time gone
:59:31. > :59:32.# Yes, when I leave, I'll be a long time gone #