:00:34. > :00:42.Good morning. Right before we start, a serious
:00:43. > :00:48.message on the half of all of us on scooters. President Hollande, arret
:00:49. > :00:52.now. For a fridge president to have a mistress is a requirement of the
:00:53. > :00:56.job, but that Scooter is one of those silly ones with two wheels on
:00:57. > :01:02.the front, it is ridiculous. As the French say, in politics, Billy Joel
:01:03. > :01:15.killed. Joining me for our review of the Sunday newspapers, Jane Moore
:01:16. > :01:22.and David Lammy. -- ridicule kills. Full beast -- for the Tories, this
:01:23. > :01:25.is supposed to be a year of steady rebuild and growth, but can the
:01:26. > :01:30.Colour Vision stay together? We have already seen criticisms by Liberal
:01:31. > :01:36.Democrats of Tory plans for the economy, immigration and the
:01:37. > :01:42.European referendum. Can the odd couple cohabit for much longer? I am
:01:43. > :01:47.joined by Nick Clegg to talk about the future of this government. We
:01:48. > :01:51.may also want to talk about the still bitter fallout from the
:01:52. > :01:54.banking crisis, the excess and greed of those years forming the
:01:55. > :01:59.centrepiece to a new film, the wolf of Wall Street, starring Leonardo
:02:00. > :02:08.DiCaprio. It has been fated by some critics, while others say it is too
:02:09. > :02:10.celebratory of sleazy and amoral behaviour. Leonardo DiCaprio has
:02:11. > :02:15.been telling me of what he thinks about Wall Street.
:02:16. > :02:19.These people were a ship moving forward that did not think about the
:02:20. > :02:24.wake of their destruction, they cared only about themselves.
:02:25. > :02:27.Is Britain are ready to resume full diplomatic relations with Iran and
:02:28. > :02:31.bring it in from the cold? The former Foreign Secretary Jack Straw
:02:32. > :02:34.has just returned from leading a Parliamentary delegation to take
:02:35. > :02:42.wrong, he joins us from the Cotswolds.
:02:43. > :02:45.First, the news. Tributes have been paid to the
:02:46. > :02:51.former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, who died yesterday at 85. He
:02:52. > :02:54.had been in a coma for the past eight years after suffering a stroke
:02:55. > :03:02.while in office. A state funeral will be held tomorrow morning.
:03:03. > :03:06.In life, he was admired and reviled for his uncompromising style. In
:03:07. > :03:13.death, he remains an equally divisive figure. Benjamin Netanyahu
:03:14. > :03:21.said a real Chevron's memory would forever remain in the nation's
:03:22. > :03:26.heart. TRANSLATION: The state of Israel as its head at the passing of
:03:27. > :03:29.a real Chevron. He played a central role in the struggle for the
:03:30. > :03:36.security of the state of Israel over all of its years. But there was
:03:37. > :03:41.little sorrow among Palestinians, who celebrated his death. A leading
:03:42. > :03:45.Palestinian political figure said he had issued a path of war and
:03:46. > :03:51.aggression. He did everything he could to prevent a peaceful solution
:03:52. > :03:55.and to prevent the right of the Palestinians to be free and have
:03:56. > :03:56.their own independent free state. Barack Obama said in his
:03:57. > :04:23.statement... Today, Ariel Sharon one's Coughlin
:04:24. > :04:31.will lie in state so the public can pay their last respects. His funeral
:04:32. > :04:35.will take place on Monday. Further heavy rain today is expected
:04:36. > :04:39.to bring more misery to areas that have already seen widespread
:04:40. > :04:42.flooding. Nearly 80 flood warnings remain in place throughout the
:04:43. > :04:47.country, while there are more than 115 flood alerts, though none deemed
:04:48. > :04:51.severe. River levels have been rising steadily in some counties in
:04:52. > :04:58.the West and across the Midlands. The Environment Agency has warned
:04:59. > :05:00.homes on the rivers Thames, -- on the River Thames that they are at
:05:01. > :05:10.risk of flooding. An announcement is expected tomorrow
:05:11. > :05:15.from Total, they are expected to be the first overseas energy firm to
:05:16. > :05:18.invest in the British shale gas industry. Fracking has led to
:05:19. > :05:22.protests, over fears it could cause environmental damage.
:05:23. > :05:27.Shale gas has been described as a new North Sea, with the potential of
:05:28. > :05:34.halving energy bills. One of the largest oil giants, but at a macro
:05:35. > :05:39.total, once a piece of the action. It is a very welcome sign, it is
:05:40. > :05:42.also a vote of long-term confidence, it recognises that the
:05:43. > :05:47.government have set about creating the right conditions to maximise the
:05:48. > :05:52.benefits of the industry. Fracking is the process by which gas is
:05:53. > :06:00.extracted from sale rock -- from shale rock. It is banned in some EU
:06:01. > :06:04.countries but the UK government welcomes fracking companies with
:06:05. > :06:08.open arms. Opponents say it damages the local community and contaminate
:06:09. > :06:11.water supplies. Dream piece says the government wants to overcome local
:06:12. > :06:16.resistance by allowing local authorities to retain all business
:06:17. > :06:21.rate income earned from fracking in their area. It is a naked tribe, an
:06:22. > :06:26.attempt to sway local authorities at a time when they are hard-pressed,
:06:27. > :06:30.to not go out to consultation, to not take in the views of a local
:06:31. > :06:34.community that is opposed to it. And to just go through and get the
:06:35. > :06:37.planning permission granted. The cost of energy in America has
:06:38. > :06:41.plummeted as a direct result of abundant shale gas supplies. The
:06:42. > :06:46.government he hopes to replicate that success, but will have to do so
:06:47. > :06:52.in the teeth of passionate resistance from some quarters.
:06:53. > :06:55.Iraqi officials say that a car bomb has exploded at a bus station in
:06:56. > :07:02.central Baghdad, killing at least nine people and wounding 16 others.
:07:03. > :07:08.Last Thursday's suicide bomber himself up, killing 23 people.
:07:09. > :07:11.Foreign ministers from 11 countries backing the Syrian opposition group
:07:12. > :07:15.are to meet in Paris today for talks on how to resolve the crisis. The
:07:16. > :07:20.talks with the Syrian National Coalition are being led by John
:07:21. > :07:25.Kerry. They, fed off the proposed peace conference in Geneva later
:07:26. > :07:35.this year, which the rebels have not said they will attend.
:07:36. > :07:39.To the front pages. There is the front page of the Observer, and a
:07:40. > :07:48.lot of Europe into their's papers, and about the Tottenham events. A
:07:49. > :07:52.slightly nervous dove of peace. The Sunday Telegraph has a different
:07:53. > :07:57.story, 95 Tory MPs are calling on David Cameron to back an EU VTOL or
:07:58. > :08:02.for the house of commons. The House of Commons could give any European
:08:03. > :08:09.legislation a red card in the future. The Sunday Times, this time
:08:10. > :08:12.Iain Duncan Smith suggesting that everyone coming in from Europe
:08:13. > :08:17.should be banned from taking any kind of welfare payments for up to
:08:18. > :08:22.two years. We will talk about that, I am sure, later. Lots of other
:08:23. > :08:29.stories, female MP abused boy in care, save the Sunday express. I
:08:30. > :08:41.have no idea what this is about, I am sure Jane Moore will explain! You
:08:42. > :08:47.will kick off with a real Chevron. -- with Ariel Sharon one. It is our
:08:48. > :08:51.third world leader in a year, when you look at Margaret Thatcher and
:08:52. > :08:57.Nelson Mandela. It is quite fascinating. More controversial than
:08:58. > :09:03.Nelson Mandela, of course, and Nelson -- and Margaret Thatcher.
:09:04. > :09:10.That is the point I was going to make! Anyone would think it was your
:09:11. > :09:14.show! That is the point I was going to make, it is fascinating, a lot of
:09:15. > :09:20.people would call him a conviction politician, which was the phrase
:09:21. > :09:26.used for Margaret Thatcher. People are calling him a criminal, the
:09:27. > :09:31.Palestinians are calling him that. He was a conviction politician, as
:09:32. > :09:35.David Cameron said, he made brave decisions for his country, which
:09:36. > :09:42.means difficult decisions and often wrong decisions, I would suspect.
:09:43. > :09:46.You look at Margaret Thatcher, instantly, people started taking to
:09:47. > :09:49.the streets, they said, thank goodness she has gone, and Nelson
:09:50. > :10:23.Mandela was also a conviction politician,
:10:24. > :10:30.dying. A controversial figure, but a big figure. You would expect a lot
:10:31. > :10:34.of discussion and debate about him. That is one of the kindest pieces,
:10:35. > :10:38.in the Sunday Telegraph, a lot of division in the papers about how to
:10:39. > :10:46.deal with his death. Every time you read pieces about the Middle Creek
:10:47. > :10:53.-- the Middle East crisis. David? Mark Duggan is the big story from
:10:54. > :10:58.yesterday also. A huge vigil in your constituency last night, which was
:10:59. > :11:02.peaceful and dignified. Yes, it started at two o'clock and ended
:11:03. > :11:10.appropriately at about a quarter to four. The difficulty is there are a
:11:11. > :11:15.lot of debates, one is about police relations with black communities,
:11:16. > :11:20.the other is different groups with different axes to grind jumping on a
:11:21. > :11:25.bandwagon. That is reflected in some of the newspapers. You got a bit of
:11:26. > :11:29.stick for not going to the vigil. You thought there was a bandwagon? I
:11:30. > :11:33.have done a lot to support this family, and I will be diluted to
:11:34. > :11:37.that, but I will not share a platform with anarchist groups of
:11:38. > :11:43.people who do not accept that a jury reached a decision. There is a legal
:11:44. > :11:47.process that continues, there is an IPCC investigation, and I will
:11:48. > :11:51.continue to put pressure on them, but anarchy and extreme protest
:11:52. > :11:55.groups, I am not prepared to share a platform with them. What should the
:11:56. > :12:02.police be doing to reconcile with the community? The central issue is
:12:03. > :12:08.that we have to have a Met Police that looks like London. We are a
:12:09. > :12:13.long way that -- a long way away from that. In New York, the police
:12:14. > :12:16.force looks like the city. We cannot have a police force where less than
:12:17. > :12:23.10% comes from minority ethnic backgrounds. Many of them are from
:12:24. > :12:28.other parts of the country. The police are not being trusted? We
:12:29. > :12:35.think about Andrew Mitchell. Yes, I am interested to ask, how did this
:12:36. > :12:41.become a race issue? He was described as black, but his mother
:12:42. > :12:47.is white. There is a large multicultural issue. He looks like
:12:48. > :12:54.my son, of mixed heritage. Is it a race issue, or how the police deal
:12:55. > :13:01.with the community in general? It bleeds into a trust issue. In the
:13:02. > :13:08.times, Andrew Mitchell and trust in the police. That is right. This has
:13:09. > :13:13.been a terrible period, with packing, Andrew Mitchell, Mark
:13:14. > :13:18.Duggan, and a series of cases. They have to respond to it. The police
:13:19. > :13:22.are fighting for their lives in quite a lot of these situations.
:13:23. > :13:27.Home secretaries say they will deal with the police problem, they will
:13:28. > :13:33.confront the federation, and they always back away, it is always too
:13:34. > :13:38.difficult. Absolutely. In the Mail On Sunday, the coroner has said that
:13:39. > :13:44.he will invite the family to help change police tactics, he says, I
:13:45. > :13:52.will take the unusual step, perhaps unique step. This is good, because
:13:53. > :14:01.in a sense, an inquest is not a child. What he says, if you could
:14:02. > :14:07.beneath the story, I have to give guidelines, I will say more on this,
:14:08. > :14:10.I want many families who are involved in inquest to say more
:14:11. > :14:13.about what the police should be doing. That can only be a good
:14:14. > :14:20.thing. Would it be good for police to wear cameras? Definitely. If we
:14:21. > :14:23.had police cameras in this case, we would know absolutely where the gun
:14:24. > :14:28.was, how each of the car, and some of the issues that are at the heart
:14:29. > :14:36.of the controversy. It is a sad day, though. Let's turn to mainstream
:14:37. > :14:40.politics. A lot about the coalition relationships, which we will talk to
:14:41. > :14:48.Nick Clegg about. A good column by Andrew Walmsley. I hate saying that,
:14:49. > :14:53.but it is true! There are two aspects to this. Ed Balls is
:14:54. > :15:00.perceived to have been friendly about Nick Clegg this week, and that
:15:01. > :15:03.is what Andrew lands on, but there is a range of issues over which, if
:15:04. > :15:09.there were a coalition after the next election between Labour and the
:15:10. > :15:17.Liberal Democrats, you would expect the club -- you would expect the
:15:18. > :15:24.parties to work mostly. You cannot cosy up to them publicly,
:15:25. > :15:27.because... We have to highlight the areas of difference, but there are
:15:28. > :15:35.many Liberal Democrats who are sympathetic to our concerns about
:15:36. > :15:46.social mobility, about poverty, and, yes, looking forward, they are
:15:47. > :16:00.named, education, MOT 's, childcare, transport issues, taxation, there is
:16:01. > :16:11.synergy. So there is parallelism in the politics. One of the big issues
:16:12. > :16:17.in the next year or two will be childcare. Yes, this poll says the
:16:18. > :16:23.cost of childcare in Britain has soared by 19% over the past year.
:16:24. > :16:35.Nannies behaving like utility companies! It is unbelievable, and
:16:36. > :16:39.it says the impact is a triple whammy, it is keeping unemployed
:16:40. > :16:44.parents on benefits, preventing mothers from climbing the career
:16:45. > :16:51.ladder, and holding back economic recovery, but no one seems to be
:16:52. > :16:54.ever getting to grips with this whole childcare issue. Successive
:16:55. > :17:00.governments were to run about what they are going to do, but they just
:17:01. > :17:15.seem to back away from it. Where is the actual increase coming from? Is
:17:16. > :17:27.it childcare or nappies? Ordinary families, you say you have two kids,
:17:28. > :17:32.40% of the household costs will be on childcare. We must keep moving on
:17:33. > :17:38.and you have chosen a story about UKIP having a go at Nelson Mandela.
:17:39. > :17:43.We said he was not controversial earlier, here is the controversy.
:17:44. > :17:46.You would expect controversial stories as we head towards the
:17:47. > :17:52.election, but they really have to deal with members of their party
:17:53. > :18:00.making horrific statements. Here in the Daily Mail we have statements
:18:01. > :18:05.about Mandela being a slave, and we have really horrible statements
:18:06. > :18:12.about Doreen Lawrence and why is she banging on constantly about her
:18:13. > :18:23.son. It is worse, it is saying there are certain people marked out for
:18:24. > :18:30.slavery because of their birth. To say that Doreen Lawrence risks
:18:31. > :18:36.boring everyone to tears, it just absolutely makes your mind boggle as
:18:37. > :18:42.to what sort of person puts that, even thinks that. This is the worst
:18:43. > :18:49.kind of saloon bar broadcast nationally, isn't it? Unbelievable,
:18:50. > :18:57.yes. To a more chirpy subject, your next story? It is not chirpy but it
:18:58. > :19:04.reminds me of a Hollywood movie plot and when I read it, I kind of went,
:19:05. > :19:10.yes! These hapless robbers went into a convenience store of a gentleman
:19:11. > :19:16.in greater Manchester and they went in with a couple of baseball bats
:19:17. > :19:22.and a hammer and said, give us your money. Little did they know he had
:19:23. > :19:28.been a special forces veteran in the Iranian army, also a kung fu expert
:19:29. > :19:34.who trains four times a week, and he said, if you want the money you will
:19:35. > :19:41.have to come and get it, and they ran off. Clint Eastwood, fantastic!
:19:42. > :19:47.I'm beginning to get slightly bored of the Oscar nomination stories.
:19:48. > :19:57.Nevertheless, you are going to unbore me. We have some great
:19:58. > :20:09.prospects for Britain, we have Idris Elba, Jane Doody Dench again, you
:20:10. > :20:15.are going to see the -- speak to Leo later... So there is a lot to enjoy
:20:16. > :20:28.at the moment. The cinema is going through a good period. It makes a
:20:29. > :20:33.change to not see Iron Man 475, isn't it? It is generally good at
:20:34. > :20:39.this time of year as you build towards the Oscars. You are just a
:20:40. > :20:50.soft-hearted film buff really, aren't you?
:20:51. > :20:53.Yesterday, certainly in London, felt like an early promise of spring. But
:20:54. > :20:57.we deserve it following the deluge and flooding which has made life a
:20:58. > :21:00.misery for so many people. I hardly dare ask what the week ahead holds
:21:01. > :21:03.weather-wise but, as it's traditional, I think I'd better.
:21:04. > :21:04.Stav Danaos is in the weather studio.
:21:05. > :21:06.misery for so many people. I hardly dare ask what the It looks like we
:21:07. > :21:12.will see unsettled conditions from mid week onwards. Today starts off
:21:13. > :21:19.cold, sunny and dry, and we have the first batch of rain pushing into
:21:20. > :21:23.western areas as the day progresses. This vale of cloud begins to push in
:21:24. > :21:32.and the rain already across western areas will continue to move across.
:21:33. > :21:38.Strong winds, feeling quite cold and raw today as the cloud arrives in
:21:39. > :21:43.the east. This evening and overnight the band of rain continues to spread
:21:44. > :21:46.eastwards, some snow falling across the Scottish mountains and the
:21:47. > :21:53.Pennines. As it clears away overnight, it turns cold, with a
:21:54. > :21:57.touch of ice possible in some areas. Monday is looking like a bright
:21:58. > :22:02.start across Scotland, central and eastern England with some sunshine
:22:03. > :22:07.around. Some of the showers will be heavy with some hail and some snow
:22:08. > :22:11.falling over the higher ground. Milder in the south, still quite
:22:12. > :22:22.chilly in the north. The pressures chart shows this big area of
:22:23. > :22:27.pressure arriving on Tuesday, -- on Thursday, but we have fine weather
:22:28. > :22:35.on Tuesday. Sunshine and showers for the rest of the week.
:22:36. > :22:41.As we heard earlier, the death of Ariel Sharon is on the minds of many
:22:42. > :22:44.people in Israel today. Another major topic for reflection in Israel
:22:45. > :22:47.right now is November's agreement between Iran and the international
:22:48. > :22:50.community. This thaw in relations will see some sanctions eased in
:22:51. > :22:53.return for Tehran's promises on limiting its developing of a nuclear
:22:54. > :22:56.capability. The former Foreign Secretary, Jack Straw, has just
:22:57. > :23:00.returned from Iran, where he's been talking to its leaders as part of a
:23:01. > :23:05.UK parliamentary mission. And he joins me now from his home in
:23:06. > :23:16.Oxfordshire. Good morning. You have been entered the lair -- into the
:23:17. > :23:22.lair of this country, do you believe this country has got it right with
:23:23. > :23:28.international relations or not? We have been right and wrong. In the
:23:29. > :23:37.Ahmadinejad government between 2005 and last year, and very hardline
:23:38. > :23:41.government was pretty unwilling to bring itself into line with the
:23:42. > :23:48.requirements of the United Nations Security Council about its nuclear
:23:49. > :23:54.power and possibility of nuclear weapons activities. What is also the
:23:55. > :23:58.case however is that those hardliners who got elected in 2005
:23:59. > :24:04.in many respects to their election to the way in which the right wing
:24:05. > :24:13.of the Bush Administration between 2001 and 2005 systematically
:24:14. > :24:16.undermined the model and -- the moderate government so that in the
:24:17. > :24:23.end the Iranian political elite turned round and said, or what are
:24:24. > :24:28.you getting back in return for making concessions to the United
:24:29. > :24:32.States? After 911, the president not only reached out in words to the
:24:33. > :24:37.United States but also with actions which benefited the United States,
:24:38. > :24:40.especially in Afghanistan, and for that courageous stand, he was
:24:41. > :24:45.slapped around the head when President Bush in his January 2002
:24:46. > :24:58.State of the union speech rocketed Iran with Iraq and North Korea as
:24:59. > :25:12.the access of evil. I talked to you about a military strike on Iran,
:25:13. > :25:19.which you described as nuts... Tony Blair has always said that wasn't
:25:20. > :25:26.the reason he invited me to take the short walk to the Leader of the
:25:27. > :25:32.House of Commons, but he and I were in different places both on Iran and
:25:33. > :25:37.the issue of Israel and Palestine, and what was absolutely true is that
:25:38. > :25:41.part of the US administration, led by John Bolton, the undersecretary
:25:42. > :25:48.in the State Department on this kind of area, were briefing against me.
:25:49. > :25:52.Bolton briefed against me to the London Times, and I was determined
:25:53. > :25:55.that whatever the Bush Administration did, the British
:25:56. > :26:01.Parliament should not be asked to approve military action against Iran
:26:02. > :26:05.and that was why, on the radio, I said it was inconceivable that we'd
:26:06. > :26:11.be involved in military action. When you put it to me, a report which I
:26:12. > :26:18.think came from Bolton that the US was thinking about new King Iran, I
:26:19. > :26:25.described it quite rightly as nuts. In that time, 2003/2004, there were
:26:26. > :26:29.repeated claims in the press that Iran would be getting a nuclear
:26:30. > :26:36.weapon in the following six months. Ten, 11 years on, that hasn't
:26:37. > :26:39.happened. Let me say, it is not just my belief it has not happened but
:26:40. > :26:44.the US National intelligence estimate published in 2007 said that
:26:45. > :26:52.they judged, not me, they judged that Iran had abandoned nuclear
:26:53. > :26:58.weapons aspirations in 2003. Can I move onto the other big story of the
:26:59. > :27:13.day, the death of a real Charon. Hero or villain, in your view? --
:27:14. > :27:17.Ariel Sharon. A bit of both. The funeral is taking place today, and
:27:18. > :27:22.out of respect to those who did revere him, I would rather not get
:27:23. > :27:29.drawn into too much controversy about him today. Returning to Iran
:27:30. > :27:34.for a moment, it remains a pretty brutal regime with a poor human
:27:35. > :27:38.rights record, and the supreme leader was saying some blistering
:27:39. > :27:43.things again about the dangers of dealing with the west. Do you think
:27:44. > :27:55.there is a danger of being conned by the Lebron -- liberal phase of the
:27:56. > :28:00.current government? No, I don't. There is a decision to be made about
:28:01. > :28:04.whether or not we want to move gradually and carefully to better
:28:05. > :28:10.relationships with Iran, or move away from it. If we want a row with
:28:11. > :28:14.Iran, that is easy to arrange, to pick on those things that we find an
:28:15. > :28:20.acceptable, but if we do that, what will happen is that it will not
:28:21. > :28:24.carry on being an international pariah, but the whole sanctions
:28:25. > :28:31.regime will erode. Although China and Russia are part of the sanction
:28:32. > :28:39.regime, China is already cleaning up in terms of industrial activity and
:28:40. > :28:43.exports to Iran, Russia is entering into further agreements, you are
:28:44. > :28:47.seeing a great nervousness among many European exporters about
:28:48. > :28:54.whether these sanctions should continue. Don't let anybody believe
:28:55. > :29:00.that if we intensify our hard line against Iran, this will help to
:29:01. > :29:05.bring Iran in from the cold, it certainly won't help those people
:29:06. > :29:11.who suffer from human rights abuses in Iran. I read a story this morning
:29:12. > :29:13.that there is a huge dossier about war crimes being sent to the
:29:14. > :29:20.International Criminal Court which could involved colleagues of yours
:29:21. > :29:28.like Geoff Hoon and Adam Ingram, how do you react? Is it a serious threat
:29:29. > :29:33.to them? I have not seen the dossier, it is the first I heard
:29:34. > :29:37.about it when I read it in the Independent on Sunday. I am
:29:38. > :29:42.surprised about it because there has been a huge investigation under Sir
:29:43. > :29:46.Peter Gibson, the interim report of which was published before
:29:47. > :29:50.Christmas, and that was designed to look at all these allegations
:29:51. > :29:54.against the United Kingdom government and serving army and
:29:55. > :29:58.intelligence officers, and I don't recall from very careful study of
:29:59. > :30:03.that report that any of these allegations were included. I cannot
:30:04. > :30:14.really make any further comment until I see the document. Thank you.
:30:15. > :30:22.This is the local hotel, it is not our garden! I understand! A very
:30:23. > :30:26.fine hotel! A new Martin Scorsese movie is
:30:27. > :30:30.nearly always an event in itself, but when it has got Leonardo
:30:31. > :30:35.DiCaprio, one of the biggest stars in the world, the film is guaranteed
:30:36. > :30:40.to make use of. It is The Wolf Of Wall Street, it is based on the true
:30:41. > :30:45.story of Jordan Belfort, a financial fraudster of the first rank, a tale
:30:46. > :30:57.of ill gotten wealth. Excuse me. Is that your car? Make a
:30:58. > :31:02.lot of money? I do all right. I am trying to put it together. How much
:31:03. > :31:14.money do you make? 70,000 last month. I am serious. I am serious
:31:15. > :31:21.too. Seriously. I told you, 70,000. Technically, 72,000. You show me a
:31:22. > :31:31.pay stub, I quit my job now and I work for you. Hey, what is up?
:31:32. > :31:37.Listen, I quit. I am going into stocks.
:31:38. > :31:42.The film revels in drugs, sleaze and sickening if exhilarating excess.
:31:43. > :31:47.Some critics have fouled that the wolf does not get his comeuppance,
:31:48. > :31:51.but when I met Leonardo DiCaprio, he defended the lack of moralising and
:31:52. > :31:58.explained why he was drawn to this leading role.
:31:59. > :32:01.In particular, this movie was hard to get finance, it has got Wall
:32:02. > :32:06.Street in the title, people have disdain for this world, and who
:32:07. > :32:13.these people represent in our culture and what they have done to
:32:14. > :32:21.us. But we did not take a traditional approach. To do a grand
:32:22. > :32:26.scale American epic, like the fall of the Roman Empire, was something
:32:27. > :32:30.studios will not rush into financing. After reading the script,
:32:31. > :32:34.I have been thinking about it for seven years, there was only one
:32:35. > :32:41.person to do it, and that was Martin Scorsese. From my early
:32:42. > :32:50.conversations with him, he has done films like this before, I am not
:32:51. > :32:56.traditionally used to it. You can look back, he said to me early on,
:32:57. > :33:00.as long as you portray these people as authentically as you can, the
:33:01. > :33:05.audience will go along with you. My name is Jordan Belfort. At 22, I
:33:06. > :33:11.headed to the only place that would be fit my ambitions. Move the money
:33:12. > :33:18.from your client's pocket into your pocket.
:33:19. > :33:24.This is a difficult film to watch at times, it is misogynistic, it can be
:33:25. > :33:31.sleazy, and the criticism is, on the fine line between having a truthful
:33:32. > :33:34.account of how people were behaving and validating their behaviour, the
:33:35. > :33:38.film has gone to the wrong side of that line. The truth is we are
:33:39. > :33:47.trying to give an authentic or trail of who they were. This is a
:33:48. > :33:51.cautionary tale. Jordan's original intention was to reflect back on a
:33:52. > :33:57.time period where he gave into every possible indulgence that he could.
:33:58. > :34:01.He went astray. But he has made millions out of the book, he is a
:34:02. > :34:07.rich man again, there is no real comeuppance. He gets away with it.
:34:08. > :34:12.Most of the people on Wall Street have got bonuses from the damages --
:34:13. > :34:19.from the damage they have done to us. Jordan was more of a street
:34:20. > :34:24.urchin trying to emulate the real people decimating the economy, but
:34:25. > :34:30.for us in this movie, we were trying to capture something in our culture.
:34:31. > :34:37.This is the greatest company in the world!
:34:38. > :34:40.I was becoming a legend. Are you not married? We are not going to be
:34:41. > :34:44.friends. I was making so much money, I did
:34:45. > :34:53.not know what to do with it. We are not poor any more. They cure
:34:54. > :34:58.cancer, that is the problem, that is why they were expensive.
:34:59. > :35:03.What about the fact there is no moral tale? Does it make the film
:35:04. > :35:10.stronger? Absolutely. We have seen a few films which have a strong moral
:35:11. > :35:15.undertone, showing to the people whose lives were destroyed, the
:35:16. > :35:22.result of this. We purposely did not do that. To me, the best thing a
:35:23. > :35:26.phone can do is immerse an audience completely in somebody else's
:35:27. > :35:30.mindset. These people were not thinking about their victims, they
:35:31. > :35:33.were a ship moving forward that did not think about the wake of their
:35:34. > :35:39.destruction, they cared only about themselves. People have talked about
:35:40. > :35:45.a protagonist getting his proper punishment, our film does not have
:35:46. > :35:49.that. Because it is the truth. That is what is interesting about making
:35:50. > :35:55.a film like this. In a lot of ways, it is not by tactic. You have become
:35:56. > :36:04.the face of this gross, amoral, destructive period, so what do you
:36:05. > :36:12.think of that period? I think it is incredibly destructive. It is more
:36:13. > :36:17.and more damaging in our culture today. As our economy continues to
:36:18. > :36:24.expand, the population continues to surge, this has to do with the very
:36:25. > :36:31.evolution of our species. This is the tottering off the West in many
:36:32. > :36:42.respects. Absolutely. The real question is, what this
:36:43. > :36:47.legal? Absolutely not. You have chosen a lot of difficult,
:36:48. > :36:51.edgy roles recently. I wonder how much of that is a response to
:36:52. > :36:57.Titanic and that period when you were the matinee idol. To tell the
:36:58. > :37:02.truth, it has not been a response at all. That is how I started out. I
:37:03. > :37:12.started doing these types of movies from the very onset, in a lot of
:37:13. > :37:19.ways, Titanic was a departure for me. A film you never wanted to make.
:37:20. > :37:23.That is not true, I made it! But you were ambiguous about it at the
:37:24. > :37:28.start. Not even that. If anything, it was the reaction and what
:37:29. > :37:34.happened to me in my personal life. It was too much? It was a lot of
:37:35. > :37:38.attention at a younger age. But for me, it was about rebooting and
:37:39. > :37:45.saying, that get back to the stuff you started out doing, and to be
:37:46. > :37:50.very candid and honest, my taste and the type of movies I wanted to do is
:37:51. > :37:56.the same as when I was 15. Thank you very much.
:37:57. > :38:00.The Wolf Of Wall Street howls into cinemas on the 17th of January.
:38:01. > :38:04.Nick Clegg has been firing up the rhetoric against his conservative
:38:05. > :38:08.coalition partners, part of a strategy whereby the Liberal
:38:09. > :38:11.Democrats gradually cleaved from the Tories as pre-election warfare
:38:12. > :38:18.begins. Relations on both sides are already fractious, so how do the
:38:19. > :38:20.Tories and Lib Dems managed the task of exposing their differences while
:38:21. > :38:26.at the same time governing together for the next 16 months? That is the
:38:27. > :38:30.question, can I start by talking about the welfare issues and the
:38:31. > :38:36.European stories? Iain Duncan Smith has a plan to absolutely ban
:38:37. > :38:40.everyone coming in from the European Community from getting any kind of
:38:41. > :38:44.welfare for up to two years. Is that plausible? I am up for establishing
:38:45. > :38:49.a clear principle that says that the freedom to move around the European
:38:50. > :38:52.Union to look for work is one thing, but it is not the same as the
:38:53. > :38:58.freedom to claim benefits on the first day, no strings attached. What
:38:59. > :39:01.I am not up for is what the Conservative party appeared to be
:39:02. > :39:05.doing, flirting with exit from the European Union, which would be
:39:06. > :39:08.economic suicide for the UK. It would inflict a lot of damage to
:39:09. > :39:14.many British families across the country. To be clear, when it comes
:39:15. > :39:18.to the possibility of a referendum, which has been blocked so far, is it
:39:19. > :39:22.the case that you are going to try to stop that becoming law, the
:39:23. > :39:29.referendum Bill? The Conservatives have decided to swerve wildly on
:39:30. > :39:32.this referendum issue, because they and we joined forces in the early
:39:33. > :39:37.part of this Parliament for the first time ever, to pass a law,
:39:38. > :39:41.giving the British people a legislative guarantee about when a
:39:42. > :39:49.referendum will take lace. When a transfer of powers next happens from
:39:50. > :39:57.the UK to the European Union, we have, with my full support, we will
:39:58. > :40:02.say to the British people, that is when a referendum will take place.
:40:03. > :40:05.William Hague and David Cameron spoke eloquently about why that is
:40:06. > :40:10.the right approach, and the wrong approach is plucking and arbitrate
:40:11. > :40:14.eight out of the air to suit internal party management purposes.
:40:15. > :40:21.To return to my point, the proposal for a 2017 referendum is one which
:40:22. > :40:29.the Liberal Democrats. Happening if you can? We do not agree with it.
:40:30. > :40:34.The coalition government have already passed legislation to give
:40:35. > :40:38.people the guarantee about when a referendum will take place. I know
:40:39. > :40:44.some people feel strongly about this, but most people feel that the
:40:45. > :40:48.priority should not be endless parliamentary games on Friday
:40:49. > :40:53.afternoons about when you do or don't hold a referendum, we have a
:40:54. > :40:57.referendum guarantee, but the priority should be locking in the
:40:58. > :41:00.economic recovery, which is emerging, and you do not do that if
:41:01. > :41:06.you constantly lurched this way and that. If there were to be a
:41:07. > :41:09.referendum in 2017 and you look at the opinion polls, there is quite
:41:10. > :41:16.some chance that Britain would leave the EU. Is that a serious
:41:17. > :41:20.possibility? I am clearly not in favour of it, over 3 million jobs in
:41:21. > :41:25.this country are dependent on our position within the world's largest
:41:26. > :41:30.borderless single market. Politically, we have two parties,
:41:31. > :41:35.UKIP and the Conservatives, locked in this deathly embrace, this fight
:41:36. > :41:38.to the finish. My concern is that what ends up happening is they argue
:41:39. > :41:44.with themselves and ratchet up the rhetoric against the European Union
:41:45. > :41:48.and our place in it. What ends up happening, you get a race to the
:41:49. > :41:55.bottom, a drift towards the exit, which jeopardises millions of jobs,
:41:56. > :42:02.reduces our standing in the world. The country notes this and votes to
:42:03. > :42:05.go out. I believe that the British people will not vote for exit in a
:42:06. > :42:12.referendum. Not because they do not want the EU to be reformed. But
:42:13. > :42:17.because people know that in a globalised world, in a footloose,
:42:18. > :42:21.fancy free economic world in which money can be moved from one place to
:42:22. > :42:25.the other so easily, positions in boardrooms in Latin America or Asia
:42:26. > :42:29.can determine jobs in our neighbourhoods, it is essential we
:42:30. > :42:36.remain and outward facing, engaged, open trading nation. Not Karen
:42:37. > :42:39.behind the cliffs of Dover, but to be self-confident, the British
:42:40. > :42:45.bulldog spirit, to know we can win by being open. You are talking about
:42:46. > :42:49.talking about leaving the EU as much as leaving the EU, it is the endless
:42:50. > :42:53.discussion about the possibility of leaving that is damaging in itself?
:42:54. > :42:57.Of course, if you are an investor, we depend massively on investment
:42:58. > :43:03.from other parts of the world into this. We have heard from senior
:43:04. > :43:08.bosses from companies like Nissan, this has a chilling effect. They
:43:09. > :43:11.mostly keep their heads down. Yes, but I have had an on top number of
:43:12. > :43:16.conversations with major investors, if the UK is going to pull up the
:43:17. > :43:22.drawbridge and pull out of the world's largest borderless single
:43:23. > :43:25.market, upon which 3 million jobs depend in our economy, it is not
:43:26. > :43:31.only bad for Britain, it would lead to more people out of work, the CBI
:43:32. > :43:37.has said clearly that they think our membership of the European Union is
:43:38. > :43:40.worth about ?3000 per household. Why on earth, just at the time when we
:43:41. > :43:46.are recovering from this calamity of 2008, when locking in the economic
:43:47. > :43:51.recovery is our priority, why jeopardise that by risking
:43:52. > :43:57.confidence in our place in Europe in the future? What would your reaction
:43:58. > :44:01.to the story that 92 Tory MPs are asking David Cameron for a new right
:44:02. > :44:06.of parliamentary veto against any future EU legislation? Very popular
:44:07. > :44:12.in the country, this idea. To be candid, Conservative MPs need to
:44:13. > :44:16.make up their mind. If they want full exit from the EU, they should
:44:17. > :44:20.come clean. Basically, they want to be part of a European club, but they
:44:21. > :44:25.do not want to play by the rules. You cannot safeguard a single market
:44:26. > :44:30.where British firms can export and trade if you are constantly saying,
:44:31. > :44:40.the rest of Europe has got to play by the rules, but we will not. I
:44:41. > :44:46.really do think you are in or out. You can't be half in, half out. I
:44:47. > :44:50.want us to be in and lead in the EU and to reform the EU, but I want is
:44:51. > :44:54.to be in the EU because it means that people are in work. Being in
:44:55. > :45:00.Europe means people being in work. This proposal comes from the
:45:01. > :45:04.European scrutiny committee of the House of Commons and was endorsed by
:45:05. > :45:08.people like Tim Farren and Labour MPs, so it has cross-party is a
:45:09. > :45:17.port. The idea is that Parliament around Europe have the same power.
:45:18. > :45:21.We already have a procedure where parliaments are enshrined in the
:45:22. > :45:25.existing treaties in the European Union, but parliaments can club
:45:26. > :45:32.together and say, do you know what, we don't like this particular
:45:33. > :45:36.proposal. If one of them doesn't like the particular look of the
:45:37. > :45:41.measure and says, we are not going to abide by it, that is the same as
:45:42. > :45:45.having your cake and eating it. At the end of the day if you are the
:45:46. > :45:51.member of any club, there are certain rules by which everyone has
:45:52. > :45:57.to operate. Otherwise you don't get the single market. That is a good
:45:58. > :46:12.whack for the notoriously Europhobic Tim Farron then. It is not about
:46:13. > :46:28.saying we don't like the proposal, it is about saying how we will
:46:29. > :46:40.behave. Vince Cable said on this show it could not happened for this
:46:41. > :46:45.reason, do you agree? The principle of moving around the European Union
:46:46. > :46:50.to work, if you want more jobs to be created you need to give people the
:46:51. > :46:55.right to look for it. By some estimates 2 million Brits working
:46:56. > :47:04.other European Union countries so if we were going to say to Europeans
:47:05. > :47:09.who work here you have got to leave, what will that mean for British
:47:10. > :47:15.people who work elsewhere? I don't think that's entering into a
:47:16. > :47:20.tit-for-tat war that we will serve our national duty. I don't love the
:47:21. > :47:24.European Union because it is called the European Union, I care about
:47:25. > :47:29.what is right for Britain, and you don't create jobs in Britain or
:47:30. > :47:34.safeguard prosperity by basically saying you will cower behind the
:47:35. > :47:38.battlements. What about Parliamentary democracy? Is it right
:47:39. > :47:47.that peers are stopping measure to give British people the right of the
:47:48. > :47:51.power of choice? In the end we are Parliamentary democracy, that is
:47:52. > :47:57.what everything is founded on. If it is not able to stop proposals coming
:47:58. > :48:02.in from the EU, what point is their voting for you and the House of
:48:03. > :48:07.Commons? The vast bulk of regulation is still domestically generated, but
:48:08. > :48:10.democratically elected governments get together in the European Union
:48:11. > :48:15.and thrash out amongst themselves rules which they think would help
:48:16. > :48:20.them collectively. There is a whole bunch of things, like dealing with
:48:21. > :48:31.cross-border crime, environmental issues and climate change, that we
:48:32. > :48:34.cannot deal with on our own. Do you believe in the kind of world we live
:48:35. > :48:38.in at the moment, where you have global economic forces... Lots of
:48:39. > :48:43.people would say, no, I don't! In this world you get more things done
:48:44. > :48:47.by doing them together than apart. We are going to have an identical
:48:48. > :48:52.debate north of the border in Scotland. Do we believe the family
:48:53. > :48:55.of nations that make up the UK can do more good things together than
:48:56. > :49:02.falling apart, which I fervently believe. That will be at stake in
:49:03. > :49:08.the European elections in May. Where I stand is very clear, we do more
:49:09. > :49:12.and better things together than apart. Can I turn to the economy
:49:13. > :49:23.because the big difference at the moment seems to be that George
:49:24. > :49:26.Osborne wants to claim back the deficit through welfare cuts and
:49:27. > :49:32.because we have a triple lock on pensions, that means a burden on
:49:33. > :49:37.work-related benefits, do you think that is sustainable? I think it is
:49:38. > :49:41.wholly unfair. You cannot say that we are all in it together, and then
:49:42. > :49:45.say that the wealthy will not make any contributions with their taxes
:49:46. > :49:51.if there is a Conservative government after 2015. We are not
:49:52. > :49:57.even going to ask - because they don't appear to have suggested this
:49:58. > :50:04.- that very wealthy people who have retired with benefits paid for by
:50:05. > :50:14.taxpayers will have to make a sacrifice, the Conservatives appear
:50:15. > :50:23.to be saying that only the working age poor will have to make
:50:24. > :50:27.sacrifices. You have got to have a mix of spending reductions, welfare
:50:28. > :50:32.reform, and I am no slouch on welfare reform, but also the
:50:33. > :50:38.contributions from those with the broadest shoulders. You have got to
:50:39. > :50:43.start at the top and work down. Lets do some specifics, what about
:50:44. > :50:49.removing housing benefit from under 25-year-olds, half of whom have
:50:50. > :50:54.children by the way. You can go through a shopping list of
:50:55. > :50:59.individual ideas if you want. I think, certainly when it comes to
:51:00. > :51:02.the free TV licence and winter fuel payments for wealthy pensioners,
:51:03. > :51:07.there is a case to say that some of them should not receive the
:51:08. > :51:17.benefits. I am asking about housing benefits for the under 25s. I am not
:51:18. > :51:23.in favour of penalising the young, a Chinese style family policy, with
:51:24. > :51:26.the state saying it is not OK to have three children. This is what
:51:27. > :51:33.Iain Duncan Smith is suggesting at the moment, a cut-off. This is a
:51:34. > :51:39.child benefit that goes to many families who are working very hard.
:51:40. > :51:48.My priority is a fair approach to ongoing fiscal education. We are in
:51:49. > :51:53.it together and everyone should be making a contribution. To be
:51:54. > :51:57.balanced about it, on the other side you have the mansion tax. That
:51:58. > :52:04.doesn't raise nearly enough money to fill the gap. You would have two
:52:05. > :52:16.rays of the taxes, would that include income tax? We Will come
:52:17. > :52:21.back on this programme when we have this decided, there are still 16
:52:22. > :52:26.months ago. You have to finish the job of clearing the decks of the
:52:27. > :52:36.debt we inherited from the past. You have to finish the job fairly, by
:52:37. > :52:41.asking those with the broadest shoulders and starting from the top
:52:42. > :52:46.and working down. What would the Labour Party have to do to make
:52:47. > :52:52.themselves a plausible possible partner in government at some stage?
:52:53. > :52:55.I think they have become an effective campaigning position
:52:56. > :53:04.party, they go around pointing at things and saying they are terribly
:53:05. > :53:06.expensive. And it has worked. There is no wonder that opposition
:53:07. > :53:12.politics is easy when you have a government which is doing the most
:53:13. > :53:17.painstaking and unpopular spadework, but at the end of the day, until
:53:18. > :53:23.they demonstrate more clearly that they have understood the lessons of
:53:24. > :53:29.2008, what went wrong, their responsibility... So they have to
:53:30. > :53:32.come up with a clear economic strategy? At the moment I don't
:53:33. > :53:37.think people trust them with money because they messed up in such a
:53:38. > :53:45.spectacular fashion in the past. They spent money when they shouldn't
:53:46. > :53:50.have done, and that is important because without strong finances you
:53:51. > :53:54.don't have the foundations on which prosperity can be built. But you
:53:55. > :54:01.would probably agree with the Labour Party on Europe, the problems with
:54:02. > :54:09.hating people at the bottom of the heap, and I am saying to you that
:54:10. > :54:14.you have much bigger problems with a future Conservative government than
:54:15. > :54:22.a future Labour government. You are viscerally and deeply and totally
:54:23. > :54:27.opposed to David Cameron on three big issues. I would characterise it
:54:28. > :54:33.differently. You have one task to create a stronger economy, and we
:54:34. > :54:38.are working with the Conservatives effectively and we will do until
:54:39. > :54:45.2015 to repair the damage inflicted on the economy in 2008, and then you
:54:46. > :54:49.have got to build a fairer society. Where I think the Conservatives
:54:50. > :54:54.don't have the same instincts in fairness that we do. We are the only
:54:55. > :54:59.British party in politics to marry the two. One of the greatest risks
:55:00. > :55:05.to the ongoing economic recovery is a single party government in 2015,
:55:06. > :55:11.either only the Labour Party or the Conservative party. The Labour Party
:55:12. > :55:16.risks jeopardising the economy again, and the Conservatives appear
:55:17. > :55:22.to want to yank us out of the European Union, increasing
:55:23. > :55:26.joblessness in this country. You cannot possibly go into another
:55:27. > :55:31.coalition with the Conservatives, because you have used up all of the
:55:32. > :55:36.space on which you agree already. The things left are which you
:55:37. > :55:41.viscerally disagree on. It is not my choice, it is the choice of the
:55:42. > :55:44.British people. After the last general election there was a clear
:55:45. > :55:50.instruction from the British people... The British people will
:55:51. > :55:53.need to decide next time. We will carry on in a few moments, but we
:55:54. > :55:58.will have the news first. Now over to Naga for the news headlines. Nick
:55:59. > :56:04.Clegg has said he doesn't believe the UK will vote for exit from the
:56:05. > :56:07.EU, however he did tell this programme that Conservative MPs need
:56:08. > :56:15.to make up their mind and stop flirting with the threat of an exit.
:56:16. > :56:21.He warned his coalition partners' stance on Europe might inflict
:56:22. > :56:23.damage on many British families. Health managers in Northern
:56:24. > :56:43.Worcestershire are trying to contain an outbreak of the nonvoter --
:56:44. > :56:47.vomiting winter virus. We will get back to Andrew in a moment, but
:56:48. > :56:54.first let's look at what is coming up after this programme. At ten
:56:55. > :56:59.o'clock we will be debating one big question - should human rights
:57:00. > :57:04.always outweigh religious rights? See you at ten o'clock on BBC One.
:57:05. > :57:10.Nick Clegg is still here and we are joined again by Jane Moore and David
:57:11. > :57:15.Lammy. The two words I didn't mention in our interview was Ed
:57:16. > :57:21.Balls. You don't like him, he loves you. Are you softening? We had a
:57:22. > :57:27.passing and perfectly friendly conversation in the House of Commons
:57:28. > :57:33.and it has been ballooned! He really irritated you, is that still true?
:57:34. > :57:38.That was a perfectly light-hearted joke. I have many flaws but one
:57:39. > :57:43.thing I always try to do, however strongly I might disagree with
:57:44. > :57:47.people and their points of view, I generally try not to personalise it
:57:48. > :57:55.and I will not do that with Ed Balls. He is a great big Honey
:57:56. > :58:01.monster and he adores you. I agree with you, that for me, if you look
:58:02. > :58:06.at the electorate and people with children perhaps, we have squabbling
:58:07. > :58:13.parents who just don't seem to agree on anything at the moment, and I
:58:14. > :58:22.think going forward we kind of feel better separate parents making
:58:23. > :58:25.better decisions. My experience is that in politics, people amplify the
:58:26. > :58:29.differences between political parties. People out there get that
:58:30. > :58:37.you can work with people you don't agree with but still disagree in an
:58:38. > :58:42.open and grown-up way. I suspect after the next election it will be a
:58:43. > :58:47.single government. I'm just surprised you didn't mention living
:58:48. > :58:52.standards. You are opening a huge political debate and we have ten
:58:53. > :59:04.seconds to go. You cannot improve living standards without a stronger
:59:05. > :59:08.economy. That's all for this morning. Join me again at the same
:59:09. > :59:11.time next Sunday here on BBC One when my guests will include the
:59:12. > :59:14.leader of the opposition, Ed Miliband, and also the President of
:59:15. > :59:17.Russia. That's an exclusive interview with Vladimir Putin ahead
:59:18. > :59:19.of the Winter Olympics. Will you be able to tell us apart? Until then, a
:59:20. > :59:24.very good morning.