:00:33. > :00:41.Good morning. In the week when the entire country has been obsessed by
:00:42. > :00:46.Benefits Street here's a quote for you: A man who has never gone to
:00:47. > :00:50.school may steal from a freight car, but if he has a university
:00:51. > :00:52.education, he may steal the whole railroad. That was Teddy Roosevelt,
:00:53. > :00:55.the great American President and, apparently, the man Labour's Ed
:00:56. > :00:58.Miliband most admires. Big-game hunter, cavalry leader, warmonger,
:00:59. > :01:03.but also the man behind the square deal, backing consumers and the
:01:04. > :01:10.small guy against big business. Big shoes to aim for. Today, we'll ask
:01:11. > :01:13.Mr Miliband if he's serious. We have two wise observers for our review of
:01:14. > :01:18.the Sunday newspapers, Anne McElvoy of The Economist, and our own John
:01:19. > :01:21.Simpson, BBC World Affairs Editor. But at the heart of the show today,
:01:22. > :01:26.a rare interview with Vladimir Putin. It might seem odd, but in the
:01:27. > :01:29.past I've been mistaken for the Russian President - equally
:01:30. > :01:33.offensive to both of us perhaps. I've been in Sochi, soon to be the
:01:34. > :01:36.site of the Russian Winter Olympics, to talk to him about the Games,
:01:37. > :01:45.security, corruption, and the hot topic just now, his attitude towards
:01:46. > :01:50.gay people. TRANSLATION: I myself know some
:01:51. > :01:58.people who are gay. We are on friendly terms. I'm not prejudiced
:01:59. > :02:02.in anyway. The Labour party's beginning to set
:02:03. > :02:05.out its stall ahead of next year's general election. A big week of
:02:06. > :02:08.announcements about breaking up the banks, and so on, and we need to
:02:09. > :02:11.hear from President "Eddy" Miliband about taxes, the deficit, and how
:02:12. > :02:19.radical his plans really are. So just two big interviews, but we
:02:20. > :02:23.do have some music too. The Dunwells, the Leeds-based folk rock
:02:24. > :02:26.band, will be playing for us later on. All of that's coming up, but
:02:27. > :02:29.first the news with Naga Munchetty. Good morning. Police in Edinburgh
:02:30. > :02:34.have arrested and charged the mother of three-year-old Mikaeel Kular in
:02:35. > :02:37.connection with his death. Rosdeep Kular, who's 33, is expected to
:02:38. > :02:46.appear in court tomorrow. Mikaeel was reported missing from his home
:02:47. > :02:50.in the city on Thursday. Candles to remember Mikaeel Kular, carried by
:02:51. > :02:55.members of a devastated city, as this memorial service was being held
:02:56. > :02:59.not far from the toddler's Edinburgh home police were questioning his
:03:00. > :03:03.mother, Rosdeep, about the discovery of her son's body 20 miles away in
:03:04. > :03:08.Fife woodland. She's now been charged in connection with Mikaeel's
:03:09. > :03:14.death. In their final briefing officers thanked the public for
:03:15. > :03:19.their help. I would like to again recognise and thank everyone for the
:03:20. > :03:24.overwhelming levels of public support and assistance that we have
:03:25. > :03:29.seen during the course of this investigation. Including family and
:03:30. > :03:34.friends of Mikaeel, with whom or sympathies remain. In both Edinburgh
:03:35. > :03:39.and Kerr code flowers lie in tribute to Mikaeel as the questions mount
:03:40. > :03:46.the work of forensic officers will continue. Rosdeep Kular is due to
:03:47. > :03:49.appear in court tomorrow. A British man has been murdered on
:03:50. > :03:53.the Caribbean island of St Lucia as he tried to defend his wife from
:03:54. > :03:57.attackers. Roger Pratt was killed on board the couple's yacht in the town
:03:58. > :04:01.of Vieux Fort on Friday night. His wife, Margaret, was injured. Police
:04:02. > :04:14.say several people are in custody, but no arrests have been made.
:04:15. > :04:18.Tributes have been paid to two British men who were among 21 people
:04:19. > :04:21.killed in a gun and bomb attack in the Afghan capital, Kabul, on Friday
:04:22. > :04:24.night. Former soldier Simon Chase from County Londonderry, and Del
:04:25. > :04:26.Singh, a Labour candidate for the European Parliamentary elections,
:04:27. > :04:29.were among 13 foreigners and eight Afghans killed. The Liberal Democrat
:04:30. > :04:31.peer Lord Rennard could face a new investigation over his failure to
:04:32. > :04:36.apologise to women who've complained about his conduct. Liberal Democrat
:04:37. > :04:41.sources say officials have received complaints that the peer is bringing
:04:42. > :04:46.the party into fresh disrepute. An internal inquiry has already found
:04:47. > :04:50.that claims that he harassed party activists couldn't be proved beyond
:04:51. > :04:54.reasonable doubt and that no action should be taken.
:04:55. > :04:57.Tributes have been paid to the BBC journalist and presenter Komla
:04:58. > :05:00.Dumor, who died suddenly after suffering a heart attack. He was 41.
:05:01. > :05:04.The President of his native Ghana said that his country had lost one
:05:05. > :05:06.of its finest ambassadors and described him as Ghana's gift to the
:05:07. > :05:10.world. That's all from me for now. I'll be
:05:11. > :05:16.back with the headlines just before 10.00am. Back to you, Andrew. Thank
:05:17. > :05:22.you Naga. The newspaper headlines. The Sunday Telegraph has a survey of
:05:23. > :05:27.Britain's areas where houses have shot up in price and cost more than
:05:28. > :05:32.?1 million in Britain. In one part of London prices have ries reason
:05:33. > :05:37.342% in a decade. Astonishing. And the Mikaeel story.
:05:38. > :05:45.The Sunday Times says the Queen and Charles are to start a job share,
:05:46. > :05:49.the grinning of the transition of one reign to the next. They are
:05:50. > :05:55.going to merge press officers. In Britain if you run the press
:05:56. > :06:03.operation you run the whole shebang. Scotland on Sunday not surprisingly
:06:04. > :06:09.covering the Mikaeel story. You have to speak English or lose
:06:10. > :06:19.benefits, says the Daily Mail. They are getting rid of multi- pamphlets.
:06:20. > :06:25.Anne McElvoy and John Simpson, welcome to you both. Anne, you
:06:26. > :06:29.first. This is about whistle-blowers, whether at the BBC
:06:30. > :06:32.or the NHS. He makes a very good point, what happens at the end of
:06:33. > :06:37.the saga, who is still around and who is still in post and who is
:06:38. > :06:41.gone? It is often the whistle-blowers who've bitten the
:06:42. > :06:48.dust. This is in the context of the front page of the Observer. Another
:06:49. > :06:53.ghastly story. A ghastly story and really pain. . I went on record
:06:54. > :06:59.early on and said if we are unlucky this could be the start of a slow
:07:00. > :07:06.death for the BBC. This article is in fact a preview of the Dame Janet
:07:07. > :07:15.Smith's investigation. It is being published next week. It gives the
:07:16. > :07:26.impression, wrongly I think, that everybody in the BBC knew about it.
:07:27. > :07:31.It didn't seem to apply to me, but knew about Saville and shut up about
:07:32. > :07:36.it deliberately. I was working through that time. I remember what a
:07:37. > :07:44.sleaze bag nasty piece of work Saville was but it didn't occur to
:07:45. > :07:49.me that this was going on. The number of people abused by him on
:07:50. > :07:54.BBC premises, astonishing. I don't know how they got any programmes out
:07:55. > :08:01.at the time. Terrible. And of course the BBC should have revealed it in
:08:02. > :08:05.Panorama and so on. It is collect EU knowledge. You can be in a place and
:08:06. > :08:08.sense that you know a lot but coming forward and being brave enough to do
:08:09. > :08:12.something about it is the a different matter. Absolutely. We are
:08:13. > :08:20.going to get all the sleaze out of the way early I on. This there is a
:08:21. > :08:26.story art the crystal meth Dis who has been tweeting away. He has, he
:08:27. > :08:32.says he only got his Co-Op job running the bank because of friends
:08:33. > :08:39.in high places. Who they, we want to know. Given that he was widely seen
:08:40. > :08:45.to be a Labour placeman. Apart from the messy and tawdry story of Paul
:08:46. > :08:48.Flowers, the serious point is when people in politics say they want to
:08:49. > :08:53.do more, take over more of the banks, they want to get a grip on
:08:54. > :08:59.the banks, the difficulty is how much better are they at making this
:09:00. > :09:03.kind of point and taking control than the wheezily bankers
:09:04. > :09:10.themselves? He is an extreme case. And he is promising to write an
:09:11. > :09:16.extreme book. I think it is only a matter of time before his extreme
:09:17. > :09:21.book will sling a lot of mud at the people who put him into the job,
:09:22. > :09:26.although the fault is his. Lord Rennard is the other one all over
:09:27. > :09:30.the papers, in the Mail on Sunday and everywhere else. This is about
:09:31. > :09:33.natural justice in the end. He's been accused of terrible things, his
:09:34. > :09:37.supporters say there is no evidence and yet his career is presumably
:09:38. > :09:41.finished. This is a fascinating case. The dividing line between a
:09:42. > :09:45.legal standard of proof and a political or perhaps even a moral
:09:46. > :09:51.standard of proof. You had the QC who was asked to assess this for the
:09:52. > :09:57.Lib Dems saying there was not a criminal bar that had been crossed,
:09:58. > :10:01.in terms of that you could say he deserve prosecution, and yet there
:10:02. > :10:05.were broadly credible claims by a lot of William that they were made
:10:06. > :10:10.to feel distressed and uncomfortable. He is invoking his
:10:11. > :10:14.legal right to stay in politics and we have another adviser here, a
:10:15. > :10:19.sensible woman, bridge it Harris, very far from being naive or
:10:20. > :10:23.impressionable saying come on, this needs to be dealt with. She doesn't
:10:24. > :10:28.feel that Nick Clegg has dealt with this strongly enough. This is ahead
:10:29. > :10:34.of their spring conference, so it has to be dealt with by then. I
:10:35. > :10:39.don't think Lord Rennard will be the favoured guest on the cocktail
:10:40. > :10:45.circuit there. I'm privileged to have two foreign observers. John,
:10:46. > :10:51.you've chosen the ghastly episode in Kabul, two Britons killed in Kabul
:10:52. > :10:56.over the weekend. I was, there I got back late last night. I know that
:10:57. > :11:01.restaurant very well. My producer wanted to go there for dinner that
:11:02. > :11:07.night, on the Friday night. We were working too late to be able to do
:11:08. > :11:12.it. The real worry, apart from the awfulness of the thing itself, the
:11:13. > :11:19.real worry is that this does herald some kind of new attempt by the
:11:20. > :11:25.Taliban to get into Kabul. They've not been very good at it. And the
:11:26. > :11:30.Afghan set-up is really quite good. The anti-terrorist set-up. But in an
:11:31. > :11:34.attempt to make 2014 a dreadful year, so it will look as if the
:11:35. > :11:38.British and the Americans are looking with their tail between
:11:39. > :11:43.their legs, the idea of taking it out on people like this... The
:11:44. > :11:48.nightmare is that Afghanistan goes into the same kind of downward
:11:49. > :11:53.spiral as happened in Iraq. Well, to some extent I feel - perhaps I'm too
:11:54. > :11:59.cynical - that's what the Americans certainly wanted. That people like
:12:00. > :12:04.me... I haven't been to Baghdad for nearly a year now. Awful things have
:12:05. > :12:08.happened but nobody seems to be interested. It has shifted from the
:12:09. > :12:12.news headlines. Yes, and if Afghanistan is the same that's a
:12:13. > :12:16.disaster. It is shocking how quickly once the troops are known to be
:12:17. > :12:24.coming out we lose interest in the wars they've been engaged in As John
:12:25. > :12:28.reflects, it is the case with Afghanistan, and Fallujah, the same
:12:29. > :12:32.old names washing around again. I probably disagree a bit with John
:12:33. > :12:37.saying that's what the Americans wants. I think there is a sense of
:12:38. > :12:41.shame and disappoint. I don't just mean among people committed to
:12:42. > :12:44.invading countries, but it has proved impossible to stabilise rarts
:12:45. > :12:50.parts of these countries. We must see whether this is in a sense a
:12:51. > :12:53.kind of daring one-off in Kabul or whether there was pressure from the
:12:54. > :12:58.Taliban to take back Kabul. Sure, but what you can't do is go into
:12:59. > :13:04.somebody's country, kick them around, change everything, cause
:13:05. > :13:10.disaster and go away and say, "We don't want any any more to do where
:13:11. > :13:17.this." But if you are David Cameron, you can't say, "My reaction is to
:13:18. > :13:21.stay on for an unlimited period." We have a terrible crunch between
:13:22. > :13:25.aspiration and what pain we are prepared to take. We'll be talking
:13:26. > :13:31.to Putin later in the programme. There is one blast against Putin in
:13:32. > :13:36.the Observer. She is going for naturally enough the one issue that
:13:37. > :13:43.seems most of all, I don't think it is the only one, with that seems to
:13:44. > :13:50.divide us most from Putin's Russia, this kind of ultraconservative
:13:51. > :13:54.approach to gays and gay rights and so forth. You know, you went to see
:13:55. > :14:01.him, and I'm looking forward to seeing this in a moment or two. She
:14:02. > :14:06.says he would be absurd if he wasn't so dangerous. There is an element of
:14:07. > :14:10.absurdity in the whole thing. The machoness, but he is terribly
:14:11. > :14:15.popular in Russia. He is saying and doing a lot of these things because
:14:16. > :14:20.it plays well with his core audience at home. I was based in Russia in
:14:21. > :14:25.the years when Putin was rising to power, manipulating a lot of the
:14:26. > :14:28.underlying fears and the despair about the Yeltsin years and the
:14:29. > :14:32.rapid transition to the market economy, which didn't work out so
:14:33. > :14:37.well to a lot of ordinary people. What he is expert at a throwing a
:14:38. > :14:43.cat into the fight. This time it is gays. He keeps banging on about this
:14:44. > :14:48.subject, which I don't think matters to him at all. It's a good way of
:14:49. > :14:54.distracting from all the things he may say he has done for Russia, you
:14:55. > :14:58.have a lot of impoverished people, a corrupt economic, and low economic
:14:59. > :15:03.growth given the mighty potential of Russia. So he wants to talk about
:15:04. > :15:06.gays and equate them with paedophiles. It is awful and rotten
:15:07. > :15:14.but he knows it starts a different conversation from the one he doesn't
:15:15. > :15:26.want to have. Is the Russians accuse them of year propaganda. You would
:15:27. > :15:34.think you want to choose his friends and allies in a different way.
:15:35. > :15:39.Benefits Street has been the story obsessing Britain and there is a lot
:15:40. > :15:47.about it today. Who wants to kick off with this? I like a column in
:15:48. > :15:52.the Sunday Mirror, Kevin O'Sullivan, a very good TV critic with that
:15:53. > :16:00.needle eye which cuts through a lot that has been said. He makes the
:16:01. > :16:05.point that we are treating it like social documentary, but who are we
:16:06. > :16:09.kidding? This is intended to be entertaining television. It may
:16:10. > :16:13.bring home some hard truths about Britain but he makes the point it is
:16:14. > :16:20.carefully edited and designed to shock. It is a very good point when
:16:21. > :16:26.everyone is getting worked up about these things. Talking about lounging
:16:27. > :16:31.around at home, you have got the prime minister himself. I drive some
:16:32. > :16:38.so mad with the TV remote control that she walks out of the room. This
:16:39. > :16:45.happens in The Simpsons' house as well. He seems to like... Well he
:16:46. > :16:56.says he likes to hop from one rubbish programme to another. Some
:16:57. > :17:02.of us have made our in the same way! He has banned his children from
:17:03. > :17:07.having mobile phones and video game devices. I have got a little
:17:08. > :17:11.eight-year-old old and already he is starting to play with these things.
:17:12. > :17:18.He will sit at the dinner table and be working on this. Is that the
:17:19. > :17:24.right thing? I don't know. Vladimir Putin likes to present himself to
:17:25. > :17:27.the Russians by strangling polar bears and skiing down mountain
:17:28. > :17:37.faces, and in this country we like the prime Minister to be like us. We
:17:38. > :17:42.take away the remote control, that's how hard we are. He does try to show
:17:43. > :17:48.a bit more steel than he does on the television front, talking about the
:17:49. > :17:54.First World War in this anniversary year because we have nothing to
:17:55. > :18:02.worry about in politics in 2014 obviously, and he says it is good we
:18:03. > :18:16.fought the worst world -- the First World War because we wouldn't want
:18:17. > :18:32.the Russians running Europe. -- Prussians. We must now turn to the
:18:33. > :18:35.weather. One of the big worries for the organisers of the Sochi Olypmics
:18:36. > :18:38.is whether they'll have enough snow and the authorities have apparently
:18:39. > :18:42.stored thousands of tonnes of it, just in case. Well it was snowing
:18:43. > :18:45.hard up in the mountains while I was there. Not something we'll have to
:18:46. > :18:48.contend with here, I suspect, but let's find out from Alex Deakin in
:18:49. > :18:51.the weather studio. Snow continues to be in short supply across the UK
:18:52. > :18:57.and the rain will be in shorter supply. There will be something much
:18:58. > :19:01.drier and brighter on offer. There is still a lot of cloud being pumped
:19:02. > :19:06.up from the south and affecting these Eastern counties of England
:19:07. > :19:12.this morning. It is clearing away but it will linger across eastern
:19:13. > :19:16.Scotland for most of the day. Some sunny spells poking through, and
:19:17. > :19:26.overall a much brighter day than yesterday. Feeling right out there
:19:27. > :19:32.with temperatures from six to nine Celsius. There will be a few more
:19:33. > :19:38.showers in the west overnight but for most it is a dry and clear
:19:39. > :19:45.night, and cold night. Temperatures in towns and cities getting close
:19:46. > :19:49.to, if not touch, freezing. There could be some dense patches of fog
:19:50. > :19:55.for the rush hour tomorrow morning which will take time to clear. Quite
:19:56. > :20:00.a bit of cloud around tomorrow with some scattered showers but most
:20:01. > :20:05.places dry and bright. If the fog sticks, not getting much above
:20:06. > :20:09.freezing. No signs of any snow but at least the rain is easing. That is
:20:10. > :20:24.not cold, that is dreary! In just under three weeks' time, the
:20:25. > :20:28.Winter Olypmics will open in the Black Sea resort of Sochi. It's a
:20:29. > :20:30.hugely important showcase for the new Russia - economically and
:20:31. > :20:39.politically confident, under President Putin. But the Games are
:20:40. > :20:42.controversial too because of the huge cost, and because of the way
:20:43. > :20:44.the authorities have treated the President's opponents, including gay
:20:45. > :20:48.people, environmental activists and feminist protestors. I got back last
:20:49. > :20:51.night from the mountains above Sochi, where many of the Olympic
:20:52. > :20:56.events will take place following a very rare interview with the
:20:57. > :20:59.President. He talked to me and a few other journalists from Russia, China
:21:00. > :21:02.and America. We covered many topics, including Russia's medal prospects.
:21:03. > :21:05.But first, security. After recent terrorist attacks - are the Games
:21:06. > :21:06.under threat? Extremists are always trying to draw attention to
:21:07. > :21:12.themselves, especially before events. We know very well what
:21:13. > :21:21.security measures have to be taken during meetings of heads of state
:21:22. > :21:25.and the G20, the G eight. The same applies to sports events. It is a
:21:26. > :21:43.shame. Extremists are narrow-minded people who do not realise that they
:21:44. > :21:49.set themselves noble goals. The whole world sees them as criminals,
:21:50. > :21:51.criminals of the worst kind. Bloodthirsty people who have no
:21:52. > :22:01.regard for human rights and freedoms, or for human life itself.
:22:02. > :22:08.I would like to thank all of our partners in the United States,
:22:09. > :22:21.Europe and Asia for cooperating with law enforcement. Security is being
:22:22. > :22:25.ensured by 40,000 police and security forces personnel. We will
:22:26. > :22:30.protect our airspace, the seas and the mountains all around, but I hope
:22:31. > :22:33.this can be done in a way that is not too obvious or oppressive to
:22:34. > :22:46.those taking part in the Olympic Games. A Swiss member said up to $18
:22:47. > :22:53.billion was embezzled, is he right and what can be done about it? Not
:22:54. > :23:03.true. The Swiss representative didn't say that. Secondly, if anyone
:23:04. > :23:08.has concrete information on instances of corruption in relation
:23:09. > :23:14.to the Sochi Olympic project, we asked them to give objective data.
:23:15. > :23:21.We will be glad and grateful. We will use this information to put
:23:22. > :23:25.things right. What is corruption? In this case it means theft of public
:23:26. > :23:33.funding with the help of state officials. If anyone has such
:23:34. > :23:40.information, give these findings to us, please. Besides talk, nobody has
:23:41. > :23:45.given us anything. We understand there are some forces which are
:23:46. > :23:52.against everything, even the Olympic project. I don't know why. It is
:23:53. > :24:00.what they do. Probably somebody offended them in their life. We
:24:01. > :24:08.haven't seen any big instances of corruption in terms of the Sochi
:24:09. > :24:14.games. There have been attempts by executives, contractors, to drive up
:24:15. > :24:18.the price, but this goes on in every country in the world. Our task is to
:24:19. > :24:24.bring the price down and achieve good quality and meet the deadlines
:24:25. > :24:31.for the production. There is also a moral aspect to this, and no need to
:24:32. > :24:38.be ashamed of it. After the collapse of the soviet union, after the dark
:24:39. > :24:47.and bloody events, people were negative and assess -- pessimistic.
:24:48. > :24:53.We have to pull ourselves together and realise that we can deliver
:24:54. > :24:57.large-scale projects on time and to high standards. Many prominent
:24:58. > :25:04.British people have expressed a great deal of unease, unhappiness
:25:05. > :25:08.and fear about the Russian attitude to gay people. Meanwhile the Russian
:25:09. > :25:12.Foreign Ministry has accused the European Union of queer propaganda.
:25:13. > :25:16.I wonder if you are surprised about this row coming out before the
:25:17. > :25:20.Olympics and whether you think there is a fundamental difference in
:25:21. > :25:25.attitude in Russia and the west to gay people, and whether you think
:25:26. > :25:33.gay people are born and not made, and therefore the question of gay
:25:34. > :25:38.propaganda is not a ridiculous one. You know, I cannot answer the part
:25:39. > :25:45.of your question about whether homosexuals are born or made. That
:25:46. > :25:54.is beyond my professional interest, I'm just not qualified to respond. I
:25:55. > :26:07.would like to draw your attention to the fact that in Russia, being gay
:26:08. > :26:11.is not a crime. In 70 countries there is criminal liability for
:26:12. > :26:19.homosexuality, and in seven of those countries they have the death
:26:20. > :26:26.penalty for homosexuality. We have recently passed a law prohibiting
:26:27. > :26:31.propaganda, and not of homosexuality only but of homosexuality and child
:26:32. > :26:35.abuse, child sexual abuse. But this is nothing to do with prosecuting
:26:36. > :26:45.individuals for their sexual orientation. There is a world of
:26:46. > :26:50.difference between these two micro things so there is no danger for
:26:51. > :26:56.individuals of this nontraditional sexual orientation, people can come
:26:57. > :27:00.to the Games as visitors or participants. What about the Russian
:27:01. > :27:05.church people who have called for the return of criminal law against
:27:06. > :27:13.homosexual people. Do you support that? Are you horrified by that?
:27:14. > :27:16.What is your attitude? In law, the church is separate from the state
:27:17. > :27:23.and has the right to its own point of view. I would also like to point
:27:24. > :27:32.out that almost all traditional world religions agree on this topic.
:27:33. > :27:41.Is the position of the holy city different from that of the Russian
:27:42. > :27:46.Orthodox Church? Does Islam treat individuals with nontraditional
:27:47. > :27:54.sexual orientation differently? Actually it is even tougher. Read
:27:55. > :28:03.our law carefully and pay attention to its name. It is called a ban on
:28:04. > :28:07.the propaganda of paedophilia and homosexuality. A ban on the
:28:08. > :28:14.propaganda of paedophilia and homosexuality. There are countries,
:28:15. > :28:19.including in Europe, where they are debating the possibility of
:28:20. > :28:25.legalising paedophilia. Publicly discussing this in Parliament. They
:28:26. > :28:32.can do what they want but the people of Russia have their own cultural
:28:33. > :28:45.thought, their own traditions. It seems to me that, sexual people
:28:46. > :28:50.can't feel inferior here because there is no discrimination against
:28:51. > :28:55.them. When they achieved great success, for example Elton John, he
:28:56. > :29:00.is an extraordinary person, a distinguished musician, and millions
:29:01. > :29:04.of our people sincerely love him, regardless of his sexual
:29:05. > :29:11.orientation. President Obama has said he is offended by the gay
:29:12. > :29:15.propaganda law, and he said recently if Russia doesn't have gay or
:29:16. > :29:20.lesbian athletes, it probably makes their team is weaker. I wonder if
:29:21. > :29:25.you can respond to that. If gay and lesbian athletes engage in some sort
:29:26. > :29:31.of protest, will they be free from prosecution under the propaganda
:29:32. > :29:36.law? TRANSLATION: Protest actions and
:29:37. > :29:40.propaganda are two slightly different things. Similar but from a
:29:41. > :29:45.legal point of view protesting against the law is not the same as
:29:46. > :29:58.propaganda for homosexuality or child sexual abuse. Secondly, I
:29:59. > :30:11.would like to ask our colleagues and friends before criticising us to
:30:12. > :30:19.sort out their own problems first. In some states in the United States,
:30:20. > :30:25.homosexuality is criminalised. So how can they criticise the far
:30:26. > :30:30.gentler and liberal approach than they have back home. Mr President,
:30:31. > :30:38.in the run-up to this feast of sport there was a lot of amnesties in
:30:39. > :30:44.Russia, Greenpeace, Pussy Riot and so far. Your critics say this is the
:30:45. > :30:52.Russian bear putting on a smile for Sochi and things will go back
:30:53. > :30:56.afterwards. Is there liberalism that we'll see afterwards?
:30:57. > :31:01.TRANSLATION: What would you like me to say? I would like you to say I'm
:31:02. > :31:06.a warm, liberal President, I've changed my views and nobody need
:31:07. > :31:10.fear me at all. TRANSLATION: It's true! That's the
:31:11. > :31:13.answer? Marvellous. TRANSLATION: One more thing, we
:31:14. > :31:19.adopted the amnesty law not in connection with the Olympics but in
:31:20. > :31:23.honour of the 20th anniversary of the raugs constitution. -- Russian
:31:24. > :31:27.constitution. Secondly, in accordance with our law, the
:31:28. > :31:30.decision on the amnesty wasn't made by the President. It is the
:31:31. > :31:39.prerogative of Parliament. It wasn't me who made the decision but
:31:40. > :31:45.Parliament. But I certainly support this initiative and believe it is
:31:46. > :31:50.correct. We should also strike a balance between those who committed
:31:51. > :31:54.these crimes and their victims. We talk a lot about the situation of
:31:55. > :31:59.people in prison or under investigation, and that is correct.
:32:00. > :32:03.But we should never relegate to the sidelines people who were victims of
:32:04. > :32:06.these crimes. You sound very confident, you've had a very
:32:07. > :32:11.powerful last year. You've been voted the third most popular man in
:32:12. > :32:14.the world, beating the Pope. You said in the past there is a
:32:15. > :32:19.possibility of standing for election again. I wonder if that possibility
:32:20. > :32:23.is maturing and hardening in your mind. You don't seem to be bored
:32:24. > :32:27.with being President. TRANSLATION: I don't think one
:32:28. > :32:32.should pay attention to such ratings. No person with get the
:32:33. > :32:37.better of the Pope. As for ambitions, it is too early to talk
:32:38. > :32:42.about this. It is 2014 and the elections aren't until 2018. We have
:32:43. > :32:50.to get on with the work now and then we'll see. The worst thing for a
:32:51. > :32:58.politician is to try and cling to power by every possible means, and
:32:59. > :33:01.focus only on that. In that case, failure is inevitable because you
:33:02. > :33:10.are always afraid of making the wrong step. You should focus on your
:33:11. > :33:14.work and time will tell. You talked about promoting fitness. We've seen
:33:15. > :33:19.you on horseback, we've seen you play judo, play ice hockey, and
:33:20. > :33:24.fish. Can you tell us about your personal fitness regime these days?
:33:25. > :33:29.TRANSLATION: Don't eat too much, practise sports. There are no magic
:33:30. > :33:37.pills here. I do something every day. Yesterday I was skiing until 1.
:33:38. > :33:45.30am. I go to the gym. I swim 1,000 metres every day. Nothing special,
:33:46. > :33:53.but on a regular basis. You know what they say, little by little.
:33:54. > :33:57.Achieves success. So that's what you have to do if you want to look like
:33:58. > :34:04.President Putin with is his shirt off. After that round table
:34:05. > :34:07.interview I had an extremely rare opportunity to speak to the
:34:08. > :34:11.President one to one. Mr President, are very nice to see you again.
:34:12. > :34:16.Thank you for that long discussion. We talked at great length about gay
:34:17. > :34:21.rights but I don't understand completely your own view. If I was
:34:22. > :34:25.our most prominent actor Sir Ian McKellen and he was standing here
:34:26. > :34:28.and said, do you have a personal problem with gay people, are you
:34:29. > :34:33.happy to work closely with gay people, do you feel gay people are
:34:34. > :34:36.being discriminated against in Russia, what would you tell him?
:34:37. > :34:42.TRANSLATION: If you want my personal attitude I would tell you that I
:34:43. > :34:48.don't care about a person's orientation. And I myself know some
:34:49. > :34:59.people who are gay. We are on friendly terms. I'm not prejudiced
:35:00. > :35:02.in anyway. And if Sir Elton John or Sir Ian McKellen arrived, would you
:35:03. > :35:05.be prepared to talk to them about this?
:35:06. > :35:10.TRANSLATION: Yes of course, I would definitely talk to them. I've
:35:11. > :35:17.honoured several members of the gay community in this country for their
:35:18. > :35:21.personal achievements regardless of their sexual orientation. I'm from
:35:22. > :35:26.Scotland and from the United Kingdom we are facing a referendum this year
:35:27. > :35:30.where the Scots will vote as to whether to leave the UK. There is
:35:31. > :35:36.movement around the world for historic old countries to leave
:35:37. > :35:41.older countries, a secession assist mood if you like. What message do
:35:42. > :35:44.you have for David Cameron? It is not a matter for rush, but for the
:35:45. > :35:48.United Kingdom. TRANSLATION: Any people has the
:35:49. > :35:53.right to self determination and now in Europe the process of national
:35:54. > :35:59.sovereignty in the framework of the united Europe is more accepted. But
:36:00. > :36:03.I believe one should not forget that being part of a single strong state
:36:04. > :36:08.has some advantages and one shouldn't overlook this. But it is a
:36:09. > :36:10.choice for each and every people, according to their own
:36:11. > :36:16.circumstances. Perhaps you would invite the Scots to join your new
:36:17. > :36:23.customs union. I wouldn't rule that out. Thank you very much, Mr
:36:24. > :36:29.President. Thank you so much. President Putin there in Sochi. The
:36:30. > :36:34.Labour Party has had a busy week announcing all sorts of new
:36:35. > :36:37.initiatives on banking and so forth. Red Ed has been accused in the
:36:38. > :36:42.newspapers of starting a new class war. He has certainly begun to fill
:36:43. > :36:46.the hole on the gaps in Labour's policy on the economy. He is here to
:36:47. > :36:51.join me now. Welcome. Great to be with you. I don't know if you've
:36:52. > :36:55.been watching Benefits Street but it has got the whole country talking.
:36:56. > :36:58.Is the there a problem of welfare dependency in this country, do you
:36:59. > :37:03.think? I think there is an issue about a minority of people who could
:37:04. > :37:08.work but aren't doing so, and that's why Labour has clear plans to say to
:37:09. > :37:12.every young person who has been unemployed for more than a year that
:37:13. > :37:16.they need to go back into work and we'll make sure they get a job. And
:37:17. > :37:22.every older person unemployed for more than two years. But let me say
:37:23. > :37:25.this also, I don't think we should demonise people on benefits. There
:37:26. > :37:29.are lots of people looking for work, who are desperate for work, and find
:37:30. > :37:34.that Britain is in the midst of a massive crisis of being able to find
:37:35. > :37:37.work in some places. A big cost of living crisis that our country
:37:38. > :37:41.faces. That's why we are talking about the big changes that we need
:37:42. > :37:44.in our economy to put those things right. I think we need big change in
:37:45. > :37:49.our country, Andrew. When I talk about the cost of living crisis it
:37:50. > :37:53.is not just the squeeze on wages but about insecure work, the prospects
:37:54. > :37:57.for people's kids. Whether you can get houses at affordable prices. So
:37:58. > :38:01.there's big change that our country needs. I'm not going to settle for
:38:02. > :38:05.the status quo. We need that big change and that's what our plans are
:38:06. > :38:10.about. You want to break up a series of what you regard as cartels in
:38:11. > :38:14.banking, in the housing market and elsewhere. Can you explain to your
:38:15. > :38:19.critics how you can do this without causing a big hit to current values
:38:20. > :38:22.of banks and big companies? I don't know how much you thought you
:38:23. > :38:26.knocked off the share price of the big banks but it was a lot. Let me
:38:27. > :38:30.set out the agenda, because it is important... How much money do you
:38:31. > :38:35.think you knocked off there? I think share prices go up and down. What
:38:36. > :38:41.really matters for our economy is getting the bank being system right
:38:42. > :38:45.for the future. If we've learnt any lessons it is that a banking system
:38:46. > :38:52.that doesn't work for the country has huge costs. Not just for the
:38:53. > :38:56.immediate crisis but businesses not getting loans. I was in a
:38:57. > :39:02.microbrewery. They are expanding but not thanks to their bank. They asked
:39:03. > :39:06.for a loan and didn't get a loan from the bank and didn't feel they
:39:07. > :39:08.could go elsewhere. That's tens of thousands of businesses across the
:39:09. > :39:15.country who've that experience. We've got to change that. Unless we
:39:16. > :39:20.generate those secure well-paying jobs for the future, we are not
:39:21. > :39:23.going to earn and grow our way to a higher standard of living. But to
:39:24. > :39:27.get there you want to put a capital limit on banks, yes? You said this
:39:28. > :39:33.was like America. What I was going to put to you that the Governor of
:39:34. > :39:37.the Bank of England, Mark Carney, a Canadian, said it didn't stop the
:39:38. > :39:42.banking crisis in America and it might have made it worse. Let me
:39:43. > :39:48.come on to his comments in a second. I want a test for market share, and
:39:49. > :39:54.towards, and straight away what the Labour Government will do is say we
:39:55. > :39:58.will create at least two new banks, sizeable and competitive banks, to
:39:59. > :40:02.compete with the existing banks on the high street. Let me answer the
:40:03. > :40:10.question why we need more banks... Are you sure there are enough people
:40:11. > :40:14.to run these banks? We don't want although Paul Flowers. If we don't
:40:15. > :40:17.have that spur of competition, if we don't have other banks feeling the
:40:18. > :40:21.hot breath of competition, we are not going to get the service we need
:40:22. > :40:27.for our business. Frankly Andrew, this hasn't just been a problem
:40:28. > :40:31.since 2010 or 2008 but decades in our country. Half measures, the
:40:32. > :40:37.status quo... So there is going to be a banking revolution? There is
:40:38. > :40:42.going to be a big change in our banks, which is what we need. On
:40:43. > :40:46.Mark canny's comments, he was asked about my speech before I made my
:40:47. > :40:51.announcement. He made the point that simply a market share for banks on
:40:52. > :40:54.its own isn't enough. He's right. We need greater portability of
:40:55. > :40:58.accounts, business and individual customers able to move their
:40:59. > :41:02.accounts more easily. That's really important for proper competition. So
:41:03. > :41:07.he's right about that. It hat to be a whole set of changes to make our
:41:08. > :41:10.banks work for our businesses rather than our businesses working for our
:41:11. > :41:14.banks, which is what so many businesses in our country feel they
:41:15. > :41:20.are doing at the moment. Are you looking towards Germany, which has a
:41:21. > :41:24.tradition of local banks, a closer relationship with business? That's a
:41:25. > :41:27.really important point. In Germany they have a regional banking system
:41:28. > :41:31.and part of Labour's plans for a business investment banks are to
:41:32. > :41:35.have a bank in each region, providing that service to install
:41:36. > :41:39.businesses be, on top of the service that the commercial banks are
:41:40. > :41:42.providing. It is all part of saying how do we power this economy
:41:43. > :41:45.forward? The Conservatives seem complacent with the way the
:41:46. > :41:50.economy's going at the moment. I'm not complacent. It is growing? We've
:41:51. > :41:55.got growth to about where it was in 2010, having had three years with we
:41:56. > :41:59.haven't had growth. But look, ordinary families are getting worse
:42:00. > :42:03.off. People are worried about their own prospects, their kids's
:42:04. > :42:06.prospects. It is not good enough for Britain this. The we've got to have
:42:07. > :42:11.that big change to earn and grow our way to a higher standard of living.
:42:12. > :42:17.What about your critics who say until you've resolved the question
:42:18. > :42:20.of the deficit, which is why we've had these tough three years,
:42:21. > :42:25.committee can't have a coherent economic strategy. If the Government
:42:26. > :42:29.bring in a deficit reduction bill, Labour will vote for that? We'll
:42:30. > :42:33.look at what the Government comes forward with. On the deficit... So
:42:34. > :42:37.you might? The next Labour Government will get the deficit
:42:38. > :42:41.down. We've made a commitment to I don't think any opposition has made
:42:42. > :42:47.at this stage of a Parliament, which is to say in 2015-16 when we take
:42:48. > :42:51.office, the we win the election, we won't be borrowing more for
:42:52. > :42:56.day-to-day spending. The Government set out detailed spending plans on
:42:57. > :43:00.eachary. That's a tough commitment. That's a bit like the commitment
:43:01. > :43:04.Labour made at the end of the John Major Government. It will take cuts
:43:05. > :43:09.and difficult decisions. It is a sign of our seriousness about
:43:10. > :43:13.getting the deficit down. Will you aim to eliminate the deficit in the
:43:14. > :43:17.next Parliament? We do want to see that happen, yes. Is that going to
:43:18. > :43:21.be a commitment? We want to get the current account into balance by the
:43:22. > :43:25.end of the next Parliament, and we want to see debt falling. They are
:43:26. > :43:28.important thing that Ed Balls has said. It is part of Labour showing
:43:29. > :43:32.that when we come to office... Sorry, and you will set a timetable
:43:33. > :43:36.and targets to do that? We'll set out clear plans. Let me make this
:43:37. > :43:40.point. It's a sign of our understanding that if we come to
:43:41. > :43:45.office after 2015 there won't be lots of money to spend. Things will
:43:46. > :43:49.be difficult. That's partly why the proposal I have on the economy,
:43:50. > :43:55.competition policy, banking, that's so important. I wand to come on to
:43:56. > :43:58.that. The task for the next Labour Government will be to earn and grow
:43:59. > :44:03.our way to that higher standard of living, not engage in higher
:44:04. > :44:07.spending. On the deficit, in terms of the proportion that you are going
:44:08. > :44:11.to deal with, in terms of cuts and tax increases, have you determined
:44:12. > :44:14.that yet? Conservatives are saying no tax increases or cuts. The
:44:15. > :44:19.Liberal Democrats are in the middle. Are you all tax increases and no
:44:20. > :44:24.cuts? We'll set out our plans at the election. You haven't decided yet.
:44:25. > :44:31.It is impossible to do that with just a manse ontax or a wealth tax.
:44:32. > :44:36.Neil Kinnock talking about bringing back the 250 pence rate as if was
:44:37. > :44:40.settled policy. I didn't know that. As you would expect from an
:44:41. > :44:45.opposition we will set out our plans in due course. All of our plans
:44:46. > :44:50.fully costed, fully credible, Ed Balls has made the really important
:44:51. > :44:53.step of saying he wants the office Office for Budget Responsibility to
:44:54. > :44:59.croute these Labour's plans. No other opposition has made that vow.
:45:00. > :45:04.We want an independent body to look another our plans to see they add
:45:05. > :45:08.up. When will we get these numbers from you? By the time of the
:45:09. > :45:13.election. Abolishing the bedroom tax, more childcare, all of them
:45:14. > :45:17.foolly costed and credible. Are it is the approach from myself and Ed
:45:18. > :45:28.Balls, a clear sense of what Labour will do, how we will do it and how
:45:29. > :45:35.it adds up. But no sense of actual tax rates for at least another year?
:45:36. > :45:40.That is what you would expect. Is Ed Balls safe in his job at the
:45:41. > :45:44.moment? Yes, he will be the shadow chancellor going with me into the
:45:45. > :45:49.election. Ed Balls has a clear sense of what the economy needs, he is
:45:50. > :45:53.working with me in tackling the cost of living crisis and he has the
:45:54. > :46:00.toughness to stand up to people who want more spending. So you like him.
:46:01. > :46:04.Let's turn to the business of competition because you have these
:46:05. > :46:07.plans to break up the banking system, breweries and ownership and
:46:08. > :46:13.so forth, and you want to put the consumers more into the saddle for
:46:14. > :46:18.this, is that right? I do, but one of the things that has emerged is
:46:19. > :46:21.that frankly the public have been ahead of the politicians and the
:46:22. > :46:26.regulators, and we have got to make sure we have a system in place to
:46:27. > :46:30.shine a light on broken markets. The next Labour government will have an
:46:31. > :46:40.annual competition audit, not just on by the regulatory body, but
:46:41. > :46:43.alongside them will be Which and the Citizens Advice Bureau, working out
:46:44. > :46:50.how we can benefit citizens and consumers. Labour going into the
:46:51. > :46:53.next election, the party of competition, the party of the
:46:54. > :46:57.consumer, the party of middle class and working class families who are
:46:58. > :47:02.struggling, and we want somebody to deal with these issues. So you are
:47:03. > :47:06.saying the competition authorities at the moment don't work, and you
:47:07. > :47:13.are saying these other bodies which are not democratic or political
:47:14. > :47:20.should be brought into the centre of it. It happened in energy. The
:47:21. > :47:25.regulator didn't stand up properly to the energy companies. We do need
:47:26. > :47:30.these bodies, that actually know exactly what is happening in these
:47:31. > :47:35.organisations, to have a seat at the table. You were talking earlier
:47:36. > :47:39.about President Roosevelt, he was a Republican president. I think lots
:47:40. > :47:44.of people in Britain, lots of Conservatives will be thinking why
:47:45. > :47:49.is the Conservative party not championing this agenda? It is
:47:50. > :47:55.Labour that is the party of competition. You are turning this
:47:56. > :47:59.into a party political broadcast. Let me get this clear, right across
:48:00. > :48:05.the board, competition authorities of different kinds are not working.
:48:06. > :48:13.Will you be bringing in statutory regulation to change that? We will
:48:14. > :48:16.legislate so that alongside the work, at the table at the heart of
:48:17. > :48:30.the work the competition authorities are doing, the citizens and -- the
:48:31. > :48:36.Citizens Advice Bureau and others will be there. They will be in
:48:37. > :48:40.charge? They will be working with these bodies on the agenda for the
:48:41. > :48:44.future. Unless you bring the consumer into the heart of these
:48:45. > :48:50.things, we will not shine a light on these broken markets that we have.
:48:51. > :49:00.There is a regulatory body, it has a board, and there will be how many
:49:01. > :49:23.places on that board... They will be working with the C a B -- the CAB
:49:24. > :49:29.Which?, -- the CAB, Which?, and others. They will be at the heart of
:49:30. > :49:33.defining the work programmes. They will be setting out a report each
:49:34. > :49:37.year, a report that will go to Parliament defining the work that
:49:38. > :49:42.will be done by the competition and markets authority with these bodies
:49:43. > :49:46.saying which areas do we need to act on? I will give you one very
:49:47. > :49:59.practical example. We will be debating in Parliament this week the
:50:00. > :50:06.issue of pub landlords who find very little flexibility about how they
:50:07. > :50:10.work. It hasn't been dealt with. It is an area of competition we should
:50:11. > :50:17.be shining a light on. It still doesn't explain to me how this is
:50:18. > :50:25.going to work, whether the CAB will be sitting on the board of directors
:50:26. > :50:28.or not. They will be working with the competition and markets
:50:29. > :50:33.authority to define a work programme for the year ahead. They will be
:50:34. > :50:40.saying, which areas do we need to shine a light on? We will be
:50:41. > :50:44.bringing in other bodies like the Federation of small businesses and
:50:45. > :50:51.others from getting their thoughts. Will the trade unionists have
:50:52. > :50:57.individual voting rights or not? You will have to be a bit patient about
:50:58. > :51:03.the changes we are making. It seems that was the idea and it has been
:51:04. > :51:06.kicked into the long grass. I want to change the relationship with
:51:07. > :51:10.individual trade unionists in the Labour Party, I want them to be able
:51:11. > :51:17.to make an active choice about whether they are affiliated to the
:51:18. > :51:24.Labour Party. I am really asking you, is it going to happen? I am
:51:25. > :51:28.determined they do happen, we have a special conference in March that I
:51:29. > :51:33.want to agree the changes we make, and that will have implications for
:51:34. > :51:41.the way the Labour Party works. And that will happen this year? That is
:51:42. > :51:46.my expectation. Now over two Naga Munchetty for the news headlines.
:51:47. > :51:53.Russia's president has refused to rule out the possibility of standing
:51:54. > :51:56.for a fourth term of office. In an interview for this programme, Mr
:51:57. > :52:00.Putin said it was wrong for politicians to cling to power. They
:52:01. > :52:03.should focus on the job, he said, and then time would tell. As for
:52:04. > :52:08.ambitions, it is too early to talk about this. It is 2014 now and the
:52:09. > :52:15.elections are not until 2018. We have to get on with the work now and
:52:16. > :52:19.then we will see. Ed Miliband has announced a future Labour government
:52:20. > :52:23.would create an annual competition audit. He said he wants to give some
:52:24. > :52:28.consumer groups a role in determining how markets should be
:52:29. > :52:35.reformed. He said computers had been failed by the existing regulatory
:52:36. > :52:38.bodies. The next news on BBC One is at one o'clock. We will get back to
:52:39. > :52:51.Andrew in a moment but here is what is, not after this programme. We are
:52:52. > :52:56.in at ten o'clock and we will be debating benefits Street, then we
:52:57. > :53:05.will be debating gender selection, and then Satan, the evidence. Ed
:53:06. > :53:08.Miliband is still with me and we've been joined again by Anne McElvoy
:53:09. > :53:14.and John Simpson. We were talking about President Putin and the Sochi
:53:15. > :53:20.Olympics earlier on. I just wondered, will you be going to the
:53:21. > :53:25.Sochi Olympics? The Prime Minister has implied he will not be going to
:53:26. > :53:30.go, I don't think I would be rushing to go either. I think our athletes
:53:31. > :53:38.should go and participate. President Obama is sending part of his team,
:53:39. > :53:42.people like Billie Jean King, it is important that we show all of the
:53:43. > :53:51.teams show they are not cowed by what Putin has done. The athletes
:53:52. > :53:56.might say, you should come and support us. You have always got to
:53:57. > :54:04.strike a balance with these things. I am not in favour of a boycott by
:54:05. > :54:10.the athletes. I wouldn't be rushing to attend the Games but I think it
:54:11. > :54:15.is important that we show that we absolutely disapprove of the law
:54:16. > :54:19.that has been passed, and we are assertive about equality. I am sure
:54:20. > :54:26.that the Prime Minister is on the same page on this. John. I just
:54:27. > :54:37.wonder whether that isn't a slight copout. Surely it is either Games
:54:38. > :54:42.that should go ahead or Games that shouldn't go ahead. Can you step
:54:43. > :54:49.back as a politician and say, I am not going but let them go ahead? You
:54:50. > :54:56.have always got to strike a judgement. The Olympic movement is
:54:57. > :55:00.an important movement, the chance for athletes to participate is an
:55:01. > :55:03.important opportunity, but you have to strike a balance on these
:55:04. > :55:08.things. I think there are ways in which the point can be made about
:55:09. > :55:12.the importance that we attach to equality, whatever the law that has
:55:13. > :55:19.been passed in Russia, and whatever the views of President Putin. If you
:55:20. > :55:23.don't go, if you are a political leader and you don't go, you are at
:55:24. > :55:28.once with the Russian leadership, you come up for budget. I think it
:55:29. > :55:35.is the case that we don't agree with the law they have passed. Can I
:55:36. > :55:40.return to another subject, the union one. You have a two-hour conference,
:55:41. > :55:47.I'm wondering what the timetable is ahead of that. I'm not sure exactly
:55:48. > :55:52.what the timetable of the conference is! We will be talking to people
:55:53. > :55:57.right across our party when these discussions are going on, but nobody
:55:58. > :56:01.should be in any doubt, we are going to change our politics. Not just
:56:02. > :56:10.when it comes to the role of individual trade unionists, I want
:56:11. > :56:16.to change MPs and second jobs. What about the block vote? This is a big
:56:17. > :56:19.change we are embarked upon, and discussions are continuing about
:56:20. > :56:25.this, but I can tell you there will be big change and I'm determined we
:56:26. > :56:30.get them through. Will it include a leadership vote or not? We need to
:56:31. > :56:37.look at those rules and it will be looked at as part of this review and
:56:38. > :56:40.it always has been. That's all we've time for this
:56:41. > :56:43.morning. Thanks to all my guests. Next week, I'll be talking to the
:56:44. > :56:46.Foreign Secretary William Hague about Syria, Europe, and much more
:56:47. > :56:50.besides. For now, as promised earlier, we leave you with some
:56:51. > :56:53.great live music - this is a British spin on Americana. The Dunwells have
:56:54. > :56:56.been described as rootsy songwriters who bring to mind the vocal
:56:57. > :56:58.harmonies of Crosby, Stills Nash. From their new album, this is 'I
:56:59. > :57:18.Could Be A King'. Goodbye! # Lay down your tools and play the
:57:19. > :57:22.game # Of an ordinary fairy tale, at least in there you cannot fail # Get
:57:23. > :57:26.back to basics and play the child's way # At least in there you cannot
:57:27. > :57:37.get hurt # No rules and regulations there # It's a shame I know but I
:57:38. > :57:41.have to go # I've had something planned for weeks and weeks # This
:57:42. > :57:49.situation's changed, you see # Cos I could be a king # I could be
:57:50. > :57:54.anything I want # I could be a poem # I could be some writing on the
:57:55. > :57:58.wall # I could be a super hero staring down the barrel of a gun # I
:57:59. > :58:22.could be a piece of artwork fading into the sun # Yes, I could be a
:58:23. > :58:30.king, oh-o, oh-o # Oh, I could be a king # Yes, I could be a king # I
:58:31. > :58:41.could be a super hero, staring the barrel of a gun # I could be a piece
:58:42. > :58:54.of artwork, fading into the sun # Oh