:00:35. > :00:45.Good morning. Let's start with the good news. Britain is being run
:00:46. > :00:48.superbly well. Our taxes are fair, our trains, hospitals and schools
:00:49. > :00:53.are the best in the world, there are too many well-paid jobs to go
:00:54. > :00:57.around. Well, what other explanation can there be for the fact that MPs
:00:58. > :01:01.have just given themselves another three weeks holiday, because
:01:02. > :01:07.apparently, there is nothing for them to do? Joining me today for our
:01:08. > :01:11.review of the papers, the Parliamentary sketch writer for the
:01:12. > :01:18.times, and our World Affairs Editor, Johnson sun, just back from Nigeria,
:01:19. > :01:24.where he has been on the trail of Boko Haram. MPs have been out
:01:25. > :01:30.canvassing because there are local elections this week in London, and
:01:31. > :01:32.many other big cities and towns throughout England and Northern
:01:33. > :01:36.Ireland, as well as the European elections. I have been speaking to
:01:37. > :01:40.all the main party leaders ahead of these elections, and today it is
:01:41. > :01:44.Nick Clegg. He is used to do dire predictions as to how his party will
:01:45. > :01:49.get on, but why have the voters punished him since he led the league
:01:50. > :01:56.gems into government, and is the downhill trajectory terminal? These
:01:57. > :02:02.elections will be the last big test before the referendum in Scotland in
:02:03. > :02:06.the autumn. Joining me to tackle that topic is the Deputy First
:02:07. > :02:13.Minister Nicola Sturgeon. We might talk about whether the Scots can
:02:14. > :02:17.heal the wounds after the vote. And frank, fearless and often very
:02:18. > :02:22.funny, the writer Lynn Barber transformed the celebrity interview
:02:23. > :02:26.with her forthright portraits of actors, athletes, musicians and a
:02:27. > :02:31.huge range of public figures. The secret of her success was Jim at it
:02:32. > :02:38.is, she says, being very nosy and asking questions nobody else dares
:02:39. > :02:43.to. We will hear about some of her classic encounters later on. But
:02:44. > :02:49.first, the news. The Governor of the Bank of England has given his
:02:50. > :02:53.strongest warning yet about the risk posed by the housing market to the
:02:54. > :02:56.economy. Mark Carney Sarah is there is little the Bank of England can do
:02:57. > :03:00.about what he says are deep structural albums in the housing
:03:01. > :03:08.market, with demand outstripping supply. As the cost of a new home
:03:09. > :03:12.has increased, so, too, have fears about the property market. There has
:03:13. > :03:17.been talk of a housing bubble, with rising prices forcing people to
:03:18. > :03:20.borrow large amounts compared to their income. The Governor of the
:03:21. > :03:32.Bank of England was asked about it at his press conference this week.
:03:33. > :03:34.The second point is that you are absolutely right that the most
:03:35. > :03:41.notable development in terms of mortgage lending as a trend has been
:03:42. > :03:48.the increase in higher loan to income mortgages. Today, he tells
:03:49. > :03:52.Sky News that the housing market is the biggest risk to the financial
:03:53. > :03:55.stability of the country. He says new houses are needed to solve the
:03:56. > :04:00.basic problem, that demand outstrips supply. At the Bank of England is
:04:01. > :04:04.not going to start building property just instead, the Governor said,
:04:05. > :04:08.they will keep a close eye on banks to make sure they can back up what
:04:09. > :04:11.they are lending and make sure mortgages are only given to those
:04:12. > :04:15.who can afford them in the long-term. He wants to make sure any
:04:16. > :04:19.would-be housing bubble does not burst, leaving people with
:04:20. > :04:25.unaffordable debt, which he says could threaten the country's
:04:26. > :04:30.economic recovery. People in Serbia are bracing themselves for a fresh
:04:31. > :04:33.surge of flood water, as authorities struggle to deal with the worst
:04:34. > :04:38.flooding in the Balkans in a century. Three months of rain has
:04:39. > :04:46.fallen in a few days. 20 people have died and that number is expected to
:04:47. > :04:56.rise. Nobody alive in Serbia today has ever seen flooding as bad as
:04:57. > :05:00.this. EU's outer suburb in this area has almost entirely submerged. Other
:05:01. > :05:06.towns across the country have met the same fate. The only answer is to
:05:07. > :05:09.evacuate, without electricity or drinking water. People are usually
:05:10. > :05:14.basking in the sun at this time of year. Instead, they are piling up
:05:15. > :05:21.the sandbags, hoping they will be enough to hold back the deluge.
:05:22. > :05:26.TRANSLATION: These sandbags are taken to critical positions for
:05:27. > :05:31.flood defence from the river. In conditions like this, Serbia's Prime
:05:32. > :05:37.Minister says the outcome is beyond human control. TRANSLATION: We can
:05:38. > :05:45.only hope. We have done everything we could. Now, we can only pray to
:05:46. > :05:47.God. The situation is at least as bad in neighbouring Bosnia.
:05:48. > :05:54.Thousands of people are being evacuated. The authorities have
:05:55. > :06:05.called for international help, and Croatia has answered the call. China
:06:06. > :06:08.has evacuated more than 3000 citizens from Vietnam following a
:06:09. > :06:12.wave of anti-Chinese riots, according to reports from the
:06:13. > :06:17.state-run news agency. At least two Chinese nationals have been killed
:06:18. > :06:26.and 100 injured in recent unrest in Vietnam over a Chinese oil drilling
:06:27. > :06:29.operation in dispute is -- in disputed waters. West African
:06:30. > :06:33.leaders attending an emergency summit in Paris have promised to
:06:34. > :06:37.wage total war on the Islamist militant group which kidnapped more
:06:38. > :06:40.than 200 girls in Nigeria last month. The French president
:06:41. > :06:45.announced what he called a global plan of action to tackle Cohan ram.
:06:46. > :06:50.The group has been accused of abducting ten Chinese workers in
:06:51. > :06:54.Cameroon last Friday. Here, there is mounting pressure on the head of the
:06:55. > :06:59.Premier League to resign in the wake of sexist Tom Ince he made in
:07:00. > :07:03.private e-mails. A league committee is due to meet tomorrow to decide if
:07:04. > :07:14.Richard Scudamore should face disciplinary action.
:07:15. > :07:25.Now, as ever, to the front pages of the papers. This is a story in the
:07:26. > :07:27.Independent ab out water contamination, quite scary. And then
:07:28. > :07:36.we have got the Sunday Telegraph, the new Culture Secretary, who is
:07:37. > :07:41.Asian himself... And interestingly they have also picked up on the
:07:42. > :07:45.Governor of the Bank of England, Mr Carney, warning of the risk to the
:07:46. > :07:51.economy of house price increases. The Sunday Times, the rich double
:07:52. > :07:56.their wealth in five years, which gives a warm glow of satisfaction to
:07:57. > :08:03.everybody else, I am sure. And then, Scotland on Sunday, every single
:08:04. > :08:06.front page except this one has Arsenal cavorting around in
:08:07. > :08:10.delight, but this one Has St Johnstone cavorting around in
:08:11. > :08:13.delight. Their main story is that the new poll shows support for the
:08:14. > :08:17.yes campaign for independence slipping a little bit as the UK
:08:18. > :08:25.economy recovers. To talk about all that and much more, John Simpson and
:08:26. > :08:28.Ann Treneman. I think we have to start with politics, because there
:08:29. > :08:37.is a political frenzy in the papers today. Even more of a political
:08:38. > :08:47.frenzy than normal! Very hard to avoid pictures of David Cameron and
:08:48. > :08:50.Nigel Farage. Also, it is hard to remember which election we are
:08:51. > :08:56.reading about. Is it the Scottish referendum, the European
:08:57. > :09:00.election... Was Jim at anyway, I love this graph, which is designed
:09:01. > :09:17.to show that the Tories are taking over. Out of all of this, what
:09:18. > :09:25.conclusions can any sensible person draw?! Well, we can definitely see
:09:26. > :09:31.that Nigel Farage is not going to go away. Today, he always speaks in
:09:32. > :09:35.code, so he is quoted as being worried about Romanians. He says it
:09:36. > :09:42.is perfectly normal to be worried about Romanians moving in next to
:09:43. > :09:47.you. He was asked, why are they different from Germans? And he
:09:48. > :09:52.replied, you know the difference. I know, and he is married to a German.
:09:53. > :09:57.If a UKIP person moved in next to you, you might be worried about
:09:58. > :10:02.that. He speaks in a kind of... Coming back from Nigeria, this must
:10:03. > :10:07.seem rather trivial to you? It seems rather nice and calm and... Scotland
:10:08. > :10:13.breaking away, you know, it seems quite peaceable, really. We will be
:10:14. > :10:18.speaking to Nicola Sturgeon about these polls - what is your reading
:10:19. > :10:22.of the papers on the Scottish question? There is an article by my
:10:23. > :10:29.friend and former editor, when I used to work for the Spectator,
:10:30. > :10:38.Dominic Lawson, who says something which I must say, I rather wonder
:10:39. > :10:42.about. Back in 1992, when in fact I was reporting the general election
:10:43. > :10:51.then, the British election, for the Spectator, I found a weird sense in
:10:52. > :11:02.the John Major camp, which seemed so disastrous, hopeless, certain to
:11:03. > :11:04.fail, and I wrote about it for the Spectator, that they thought they
:11:05. > :11:12.were going to win. Everybody else was totally against this. And he
:11:13. > :11:16.won. The Spectator was the only magazine which said there was a
:11:17. > :11:24.possibility, so my stock temporarily was quite high. The fact is, nobody
:11:25. > :11:30.wanted to be associated with such a ramshackle outfit as John Major's
:11:31. > :11:34.Tories. Something of the same principle, only the principal, seems
:11:35. > :11:38.to be applying, according to Lawson, in Scotland. So, people do
:11:39. > :11:42.not want to say, I do not want to have anything to do with Scottish
:11:43. > :11:50.independence. When they are asked, they say, maybe. But when they get
:11:51. > :11:56.into the silence and solitude of the election box, the voting box... That
:11:57. > :12:02.is the theory. Ann Treneman, your next story? Well, you have got Nick
:12:03. > :12:10.Clegg on later, and he is very hard to avoid in the papers today. There
:12:11. > :12:16.is this story, I think it is in the Sunday Times, about a plot to remove
:12:17. > :12:25.him. We have seen this headline a few times over the years. Nick Clegg
:12:26. > :12:30.allies? Enemies, you would expect! No one is named. It is anonymous. It
:12:31. > :12:36.says groups of MPs usually loyal to Nick Clegg... But the thing that I
:12:37. > :12:40.find really interesting is that almost at the end of the story, it
:12:41. > :12:47.says, a further sign of Nick Clegg's precarious position, David
:12:48. > :12:51.Cameron is mounting a save Nick Clegg operation in the next few
:12:52. > :12:57.weeks! That is what I would worry about if I was him! Now, there are
:12:58. > :13:00.lots of big, big stories. India has had a real election and produced a
:13:01. > :13:06.really interesting result? Yes, and this is really the story of the
:13:07. > :13:15.week, perhaps more than that. Because India has, as we now know,
:13:16. > :13:18.elected Mr Modi, a man with a certain baggage of controversy
:13:19. > :13:25.behind him. Only two years ago, I think, the Americans and British
:13:26. > :13:33.would not allow him into the country because of his perceived hostility
:13:34. > :13:37.to Muslims and his record... Allegations that he was involved in
:13:38. > :13:42.some pretty horrific massacres of Muslims way back, and was allegedly
:13:43. > :13:45.associated with an almost fascist organisation as well? That is
:13:46. > :13:51.absolutely right, I do not think that is an allegation. The New
:13:52. > :13:57.Statesman had a very good article about this last week, which is
:13:58. > :14:00.chapter and verse. Yes, and he says the 21st century is going to belong
:14:01. > :14:05.to India. Well, I suppose, not impossible, but it is going to
:14:06. > :14:11.depend on whether Mr Modi can turn India around. 5-10 years ago, we
:14:12. > :14:19.thought India was going to be one of the world's superpowers. Five years
:14:20. > :14:24.ago, we and Mr Modi has got the job of trying to turn it around. And
:14:25. > :14:28.when he was ruling Gujarat, it should be said, he was incredibly
:14:29. > :14:33.effective in fighting corruption and boosting business and so forth.
:14:34. > :14:38.There must be a good possibility that he has ridden the wave, he
:14:39. > :14:44.knows what to say to large crowds of people, but he also knows how to run
:14:45. > :14:49.an economy. There must be a reasonable chance that he will do
:14:50. > :14:55.the job in India. We have got to hope so. Back to domestic politics,
:14:56. > :14:58.we are all waiting for something called the Chilcot Inquiry, can you
:14:59. > :15:08.remind us why we are so excited about this? It is a memory now. It
:15:09. > :15:11.was years ago. We have been waiting for years and it is costing
:15:12. > :15:18.millions, it is costing millions to wait. And what is it? Oh, it is any
:15:19. > :15:27.enquiries into the Iraq war, and why we went in. Tony Blair and all of
:15:28. > :15:30.that. We all went into this subterranean basement in the QE2
:15:31. > :15:37.centre, and since then, there has been radio silence for four years.
:15:38. > :15:40.Now, people are getting fed up and beginning to think, we are never
:15:41. > :15:46.ever going to get to the bottom of this. And there is this little
:15:47. > :15:51.piece, Peter Hitchens, today, where he says, basically, David Cameron
:15:52. > :15:55.really wanted to see this inquiry published, if he did, then it would
:15:56. > :16:11.happen, and I tend to agree with him. In a society like ours, it is
:16:12. > :16:18.quite difficult to shut up about it, isn't it? As far as I understand
:16:19. > :16:23.it, it is a procedure where everyone checks and everything to make sure
:16:24. > :16:35.nobody objects on anything. I just think they should publish it. Howard
:16:36. > :16:45.Wilson's made those comments that to set up the committee takes months
:16:46. > :16:52.and waste years. And millions. You have picked a story from the
:16:53. > :16:58.Independent. Three people who are less than effective in their job -
:16:59. > :17:05.Francois Hollande, the head of the European commission, and Goodluck
:17:06. > :17:17.Jonathan, the president of Nigeria. The most ill named president! And
:17:18. > :17:22.only together can they beat Boko Haram. I would just like to remind
:17:23. > :17:31.people there is a clip of one of your reports from Nigeria to remind
:17:32. > :17:36.people what they are up against. The bridge outside this town had
:17:37. > :17:45.been blown up last Wednesday. But two days earlier, the area was hit
:17:46. > :17:49.by an army of Boca Harlem men. They arrived at 1:30pm in the afternoon,
:17:50. > :18:08.we counted hundreds of burnt out cars. The coal -- Boko Haram didn't
:18:09. > :18:14.want anyone following them. I have seen lots of towns attacked,
:18:15. > :18:23.I'm afraid. I have never seen one so comprehensively destroyed as this
:18:24. > :18:31.town. You just get a sense of the violent savagery that Boko Haram
:18:32. > :18:36.house. If you stumbled upon the massacre of this scale, it must be
:18:37. > :18:41.going on again and again, and is it because it is too difficult and
:18:42. > :18:49.dangerous an area for the world's media to get to or what? Yes, the
:18:50. > :18:55.Nigerian media, let alone the outside world. The government isn't
:18:56. > :19:00.really interesting. -- interested. Goodluck Jonathan should have gone
:19:01. > :19:16.to the village where the girls were kidnapped from but shied away at the
:19:17. > :19:21.last minute. You don't see the Nigerian army, apart from anything
:19:22. > :19:26.else. The idea that somehow or another there are loads of SAS men
:19:27. > :19:32.and Americans and helicopters coming in full of stuff, it's absolute
:19:33. > :19:37.nonsense. The place is empty, the roads are empty, you don't see the
:19:38. > :19:47.military anywhere and Boko Haram is given a free hand. Why isn't the
:19:48. > :19:52.Nigerian army there? It has been starved of funding, it is not a very
:19:53. > :20:00.effective organisation now. While I was there, a group of men attacked
:20:01. > :20:08.their kernel because he wanted them to get a bit more involved. No way
:20:09. > :20:15.we are going in their! So the chances of these girls being rescued
:20:16. > :20:19.looks fairly grim. I agree. The only way to do it is some kind of
:20:20. > :20:24.negotiation but the trouble is no one knows whom to negotiate with.
:20:25. > :20:31.And the man that runs the whole thing is a complete crazy
:20:32. > :20:36.character. I quoted something the BBC actually caught out on BBC
:20:37. > :20:42.world, I think they thought it was too extreme. I quoted him as saying
:20:43. > :20:48.that... From one of his videos, he said, I enjoy killing the people
:20:49. > :21:00.that God tells me to kill, just as I enjoy killing chickens and rams. We
:21:01. > :21:06.have run out of time for the papers, but thank you for now very
:21:07. > :21:11.much indeed, and now to the weather which for many of us has been
:21:12. > :21:17.glorious over the last few days. You are not going to spoil it, are you
:21:18. > :21:21.Peter? I'm holding back the waters but they are encroaching across
:21:22. > :21:26.western areas at the moment. For the majority, summer continues
:21:27. > :21:31.today. It is England and Wales seeing the best of that at the
:21:32. > :21:34.moment. You will notice across Northern Ireland and western
:21:35. > :21:39.Scotland it is a very different story. Persistent outbreaks of
:21:40. > :21:42.rain, with us for the rest of the day, but central and eastern
:21:43. > :21:48.Scotland hang on to the fine weather. There will be some cloud in
:21:49. > :21:58.the sky from time to time but not spoiling things. Temperatures will
:21:59. > :22:04.be in the low 20s from the north of England to the south. The rain will
:22:05. > :22:08.turn Apache overnight across Scotland and Northern Ireland, but
:22:09. > :22:14.then easing in across the western fringes of England and Wales. That
:22:15. > :22:19.rain in the west lingering into Monday, it will become more
:22:20. > :22:23.widespread as the week goes on, but central and eastern areas again
:22:24. > :22:29.should get a fine day with good spells of sunshine and in the warmer
:22:30. > :22:34.spots up to 25 degrees. Looking more settled for everyone by the middle
:22:35. > :22:38.of the week. The European elections will be the
:22:39. > :22:43.last big test of opinion in Scotland before the independence referendum
:22:44. > :22:48.in September. Europe has loomed large over the campaign. Would an
:22:49. > :23:00.independent Scotland move seamlessly into the EU? I will be joining
:23:01. > :23:10.Glasgow now, the party's deputy leader, Nicola Sturgeon. Can I talk
:23:11. > :23:15.about this opinion poll in the Scotland on Sunday, it does show a
:23:16. > :23:22.fall in the yes campaign's decision. Have you noticed that in the last
:23:23. > :23:30.few days? No, on the contrary, it is just one opinion poll. Another one
:23:31. > :23:33.puts the yes vote at 47%. I think the really significant and
:23:34. > :23:38.interesting thing about the opinion polls is the trend we have seen over
:23:39. > :23:45.recent months. If you look back at latter months last year we saw the
:23:46. > :23:50.vote averaging out at the mid 30s, now for the yes vote it is around
:23:51. > :23:55.the mid 40s so there has been clear progress. Of course we have got work
:23:56. > :23:59.to do and we are going to work hard over the remaining four months to
:24:00. > :24:05.persuade people we will be better off as an independent country. Has
:24:06. > :24:10.the Scottish government had any public or private communications
:24:11. > :24:15.with the governments of Spain, Italy or France about re-entry to the EU
:24:16. > :24:22.after a yes vote? The Scottish government talks to other countries
:24:23. > :24:29.all the time, I'm not going to go into the detail of private talks,
:24:30. > :24:34.but what is clear is that other countries don't want to interfere. I
:24:35. > :24:38.will say no other government, including the Government of Spain,
:24:39. > :24:42.has even come close to saying that they would look to veto the
:24:43. > :24:49.membership of an independent Scotland. In another newspaper today
:24:50. > :24:57.we have David Martin himself saying that he thinks Scotland would be a
:24:58. > :25:01.member of the European Union. It is that kind of common sense that I
:25:02. > :25:05.think the majority of people in Scotland agree with. And because you
:25:06. > :25:12.haven't had any confirmation from these governments, because you --
:25:13. > :25:19.they don't want to interfere in the results of a referendum, you don't
:25:20. > :25:23.know for sure, do you? A very important point here is that of
:25:24. > :25:27.course it is in Scotland's interest to continue to be a member of the
:25:28. > :25:32.European Union but it wouldn't be in the interests of any other member
:25:33. > :25:38.state or as the UK union as a whole for Scotland to be outside the
:25:39. > :25:42.European Union for a single second. The comments that Jose Manuel
:25:43. > :25:48.Barroso made on your programme have been widely criticised by many other
:25:49. > :25:54.European experts. In fact there is a debate among those vying to be his
:25:55. > :25:57.successor, just a few days ago, and most of those candidates seemed to
:25:58. > :26:05.be distancing themselves from those comments as well. It has been said
:26:06. > :26:16.that Scotland would have two join the queue... Interestingly the legal
:26:17. > :26:21.expert that the UK government commissioned to do a legal opinion
:26:22. > :26:27.said the timescale was realistic. It is in the interests of everybody for
:26:28. > :26:35.that transition to be smooth and we see more and more people, including
:26:36. > :26:40.David Martin, Labour's candidate, saying something similar. That is
:26:41. > :26:45.the common-sense argument that people understand and appreciate.
:26:46. > :26:49.The Queen intervened in a sense, not suggesting people should vote yes or
:26:50. > :26:55.no, but that it was very important for the Scots to come together and
:26:56. > :27:04.heal the wounds. A lot of hot words have been said and accusations
:27:05. > :27:13.made. Are you convinced that healing process can happen? We have had a
:27:14. > :27:17.very robust debate, no one could deny that, but the meetings have
:27:18. > :27:22.attracted hundreds of people so it is a very positive debate about what
:27:23. > :27:27.is best for the future of Scotland. We all have a responsibility to make
:27:28. > :27:32.sure the tone and the tenor of the debate continues to be positive. Of
:27:33. > :27:37.course after the referendum we are one country and we will move forward
:27:38. > :27:41.together. That's why we've made clear we would take forward the
:27:42. > :27:48.negotiations on a team Scotland basis so those arguing for the no
:27:49. > :27:55.vote, we would look to take expert opinion from a wide variety of
:27:56. > :27:58.sources. One side or another is going to feel hurt and bruised after
:27:59. > :28:03.the result and there is going to have to be a lot of reaching out of
:28:04. > :28:13.hands in a way that hasn't happened yet, isn't there? Absolutely. We all
:28:14. > :28:17.feel very strongly in what we are campaigning for. I believe Scotland
:28:18. > :28:24.will be better off as an independent country and individually better
:28:25. > :28:29.off. I appreciate those arguing on the opposite side of the debate are
:28:30. > :28:36.sincere in their beliefs as well. You don't regard them as traitors?
:28:37. > :28:42.Absolutely not! But I think if we all conduct ourselves properly in
:28:43. > :28:46.this debate, then I don't think these wounds need to occur at all.
:28:47. > :28:52.One of the criticism I have of the no campaign is that it has been
:28:53. > :28:57.relentlessly negative seeking to talk Scotland down, and I would hope
:28:58. > :29:02.they will raise their game as well. If the worst, from your point of
:29:03. > :29:10.view, happens and you don't achieve the yes vote, would you look for
:29:11. > :29:12.extra devolutionary powers? I'm sceptical about whether the other
:29:13. > :29:22.parties will deliver that, that's one of the reasons I am campaigning
:29:23. > :29:25.so hard for the yes vote. We hear a lot of vague words from other
:29:26. > :29:29.parties on the no side about more powers but we don't hear anything
:29:30. > :29:33.concrete. I don't remember that clearly because I was fairly young
:29:34. > :29:40.but Scotland was promised more powers if it voted no in a previous
:29:41. > :29:48.referendum and all we got was 18 years of Tory government. Thanks
:29:49. > :29:51.very much indeed for joining us this morning.
:29:52. > :29:55.Known to fans and folk as well as the Demon Barber of Fleet Street,
:29:56. > :30:01.Lynn Barber has never been afraid to ask the questions other interviewers
:30:02. > :30:04.might have docked. She asked Harriet Harman if she was sick, she made an
:30:05. > :30:11.enemy of Marianne Faithfull, and nearly got lynched by one tennis
:30:12. > :30:19.idol fan for being too nosy about his private life. Her own private
:30:20. > :30:24.life is the focus of the hit film, And Education. I will be speaking to
:30:25. > :30:32.her in a moment but first a clip from that programme.
:30:33. > :30:36.If anyone else tells me what a lovely lad Rafa Nadal is, I shall
:30:37. > :30:42.scream. He is not allowed, he has just turned 25, which is admittedly
:30:43. > :30:47.young, but he is in his ninth year on the Grand Slams circuit, has won
:30:48. > :30:51.nine Grand Slam titles, and has won millions and millions of pounds, and
:30:52. > :30:56.I did not find him lovely at all. Now, it must be very difficult, when
:30:57. > :31:00.you go to do an interview, if you really like somebody, how do you
:31:01. > :31:06.deal with that? I quite often like people and give them a really nice
:31:07. > :31:10.write-up. Actually, I have just for the first time like a politician. I
:31:11. > :31:14.interviewed Margaret Hodge and we were really like best friends
:31:15. > :31:20.immediately, it was wonderful. She will be greatly you do a huge amount
:31:21. > :31:25.of preparation for each interview. One thing which comes up again and
:31:26. > :31:29.again is how boring actors are to interview? Yes, and I have recently
:31:30. > :31:35.been off a lot when I... They are difficult to interview. Their
:31:36. > :31:40.attitude is often, what do you want me to say, or how do you want me to
:31:41. > :31:46.be? Of course, the answer is, I just want you to be yourself. And they
:31:47. > :31:52.have got the film companies on their backs, saying, talk about the film!
:31:53. > :31:55.And nowadays, you have to go through these nightmare negotiations with
:31:56. > :31:59.their representatives about whether you can have 20 minutes or 40
:32:00. > :32:05.minutes. Because my pieces are all very long, I write 3500 words at
:32:06. > :32:09.least, I refused to do an interview, I refused to write that
:32:10. > :32:13.much on the back of a 20 minute meeting. And you always have to be
:32:14. > :32:23.face-to-face, and preferably in the house of the interviewee, so you can
:32:24. > :32:28.pick up... ? Frugally, but nowadays that is quite rare, that people let
:32:29. > :32:32.you in their houses, which I can understand, to be honest. Do you
:32:33. > :32:41.ever meet people who you dislike intensely was Jim people you think
:32:42. > :32:47.are phoney or fake? I did an interview recently with Michael
:32:48. > :32:50.O'Leary, the head of Ryanair. He was supposed to have completely changed
:32:51. > :32:54.his image, having been very horrible, he was now going to be Mr
:32:55. > :33:00.lovable. I thought I would be interested to see how that played
:33:01. > :33:08.out! And four about the first five minutes, he is outgoing and all the
:33:09. > :33:11.rest of it. But then the real hardness comes in, and you start
:33:12. > :33:16.getting this sense of a complete Scrooge, who basically wants to
:33:17. > :33:25.humiliate his passengers and make them feel cheap. So, that was quite
:33:26. > :33:31.good. I had almost despaired of disliking somebody as much as I
:33:32. > :33:35.dislike him! Your juices came back! In terms of disliking more
:33:36. > :33:39.characters, now dead, you did very well, because you were the only
:33:40. > :33:43.interview I think to push Jimmy Savile on all of these stories going
:33:44. > :33:47.around. You picked things up from people he knew, presumably, do you
:33:48. > :33:52.now think you wish you had gone even harder, because you got a a lot of
:33:53. > :33:56.abuse at the time? Yes, I got, how dare you ask him that? He had just
:33:57. > :34:01.been knighted and raised millions for charity. I said, people say that
:34:02. > :34:07.you like little girls, which people did, in journalistic circles, but I
:34:08. > :34:12.had never seen it in print. Obviously, I had tried to get
:34:13. > :34:16.somebody who had some knowledge of it but I never got that. But I am
:34:17. > :34:24.quite proud of myself having just got a question into the article, and
:34:25. > :34:30.that was really... You raised the subject. I opened the subject, which
:34:31. > :34:33.was all I could do. Was he affronted average no, I got the impression
:34:34. > :34:39.that he must have had to answer the question before. He had quite a pat
:34:40. > :34:44.answer. He was flustered for a minute. He went into that awful, I
:34:45. > :34:51.know, you know... With his wet cigar. But what was so maddening was
:34:52. > :34:55.that when he did start to emerge as a paedophile, recently, after he
:34:56. > :34:59.died, one of the papers reprinted my interview. Having had all of the
:35:00. > :35:06.flak at the time, I then got all the flak now, as too, why did you not
:35:07. > :35:11.say that he was a paedophile?! But I couldn't. I was interested in your
:35:12. > :35:15.book, you say you love interviewing artists, presumably because you love
:35:16. > :35:18.art and they are interesting people, are probably your worst experience
:35:19. > :35:27.would have been with the Chapman brothers? Well, he would kill me if
:35:28. > :35:31.he sees me again, Jake. I have had a friendly conversation with the other
:35:32. > :35:37.one. You know the Chapman brothers... Yes, they are a
:35:38. > :35:41.difficult pair. They are, and I was trying to find out about their
:35:42. > :35:44.growing up. Also, one of them has a slightly deformed hand, which I
:35:45. > :35:52.found interesting, because they were doing deformed figures. And they
:35:53. > :36:01.were so huffy - what a rude question, how dare you ask somebody
:36:02. > :36:05.that! I do not seriously think that Jake is going to kill me, though.
:36:06. > :36:09.There are two things in the book which suggest why you are such a
:36:10. > :36:13.good interviewer. One is that you spent years working for Penthouse,
:36:14. > :36:17.asking very personal questions, so you lost all sense of embarrassment.
:36:18. > :36:21.The other is your early upbringing, and the sense of being had by a
:36:22. > :36:27.conman. That laid the base for the film. Probably just as well the
:36:28. > :36:32.Russians are going film. Probably just as well the
:36:33. > :36:37.bomb on us any time now. My choice is to do something hard or boring or
:36:38. > :36:41.to go to Paris and Rome and listen to jazz, and read and eat good food
:36:42. > :36:45.in nice restaurants and have fun. It is not enough to educate us any
:36:46. > :36:50.more, Miss Walters, you have got to tell us why you are doing it. It
:36:51. > :36:57.does not have to be teaching, you know. There is the civil service.
:36:58. > :37:05.And by gum, US kept all of that! I did. -- you escaped. But I think it
:37:06. > :37:09.has been a happy career, lots of fun, lots of drink, lots of
:37:10. > :37:14.friends? I have been so happy, and just stumbling into it, really. A
:37:15. > :37:20.long time ago, I was asked whether I would like to do an interview with
:37:21. > :37:23.you, and I said, no, thank you, I am stupid but not that stupid. But you
:37:24. > :37:34.have been delightful today, thank you! So, how will the Lib Dems fare
:37:35. > :37:37.in the elections for Europe and the local elections on Thursday? The
:37:38. > :37:41.party is languishing in fourth place, its ratings in single
:37:42. > :37:47.figures. Nick Clegg is scoring lowest of the main party leaders. He
:37:48. > :37:50.and the Tories have been sniping over all topics. And once again
:37:51. > :37:53.there are questions about the survival of the coalition. Being in
:37:54. > :37:57.government seems to have brought nothing but trouble for the Lib Dems
:37:58. > :38:03.in terms of popularity. So where now? I am joined by Nick Clegg. Has
:38:04. > :38:06.it been worth it? Your party is facing near oblivion in the polls,
:38:07. > :38:09.what is the single thing that you have achieved in government which
:38:10. > :38:13.will allow you to look in the Mirror and say, it has been worth it?
:38:14. > :38:20.Massive tax breaks for millions of people. Biggest change in the
:38:21. > :38:24.personal income tax system in a generation, benefiting more than 24
:38:25. > :38:29.million people to the tune of ?800. I can add to that list, better
:38:30. > :38:36.apprenticeships, better pensions... At joking aside, of course it has
:38:37. > :38:39.been tough. Going into coalition with either the Conservatives or the
:38:40. > :38:43.Labour Party in a system which is not used to coalitions is always
:38:44. > :38:47.going to be controversial, and added to that, we had to fulfil the
:38:48. > :38:52.central mission of this government, which was to repair and reform the
:38:53. > :38:56.British economy just but when I look back at what we have done over the
:38:57. > :39:00.last four years, I think most Liberal Democrats feel the same way,
:39:01. > :39:04.I am immensely proud that our resilience and unity, despite
:39:05. > :39:08.endless negative predictions to the contrary, have actually delivered
:39:09. > :39:13.the stability necessary to deliver economic recovery, and a recovery
:39:14. > :39:19.which is also delivering fairness to millions of people. But at a
:39:20. > :39:24.devastating cost your record in the polls is terrible at the moment.
:39:25. > :39:29.Lets see what happens in the forthcoming elections. I cannot tell
:39:30. > :39:33.what will happen. Having been knocking on doors over the last few
:39:34. > :39:37.weeks, I've and getting the impression that in those areas where
:39:38. > :39:42.we can get our side of the story across, explaining what we have
:39:43. > :39:45.done, actually I think we will do better than people predict. But I
:39:46. > :39:49.accept in those areas where we are not strong on the ground, it is very
:39:50. > :39:52.challenging. That it was always going to be difficult for us,
:39:53. > :39:56.because we are breaking the mould of traditional two-party politics. We
:39:57. > :40:01.are taking difficult decisions to restore the validity to the British
:40:02. > :40:04.economy, but we are delivering Liberal Democrat policies which we
:40:05. > :40:07.could not possibly deliver from the opposition benches. What would be a
:40:08. > :40:13.good result in the European elections, in terms of numbers of
:40:14. > :40:17.MEPs? I want as many Liberal Democrat MEPs as possible. I think
:40:18. > :40:22.they are a guarantee in the European Parliament. I am not going to come
:40:23. > :40:26.up with numbers. I believe that we have shown in this European campaign
:40:27. > :40:31.the courage of our convictions. We are the only party to say, we have
:40:32. > :40:34.got to stand up to UKIP, to this nasty view of the world, wanting to
:40:35. > :40:39.turn the clock back, it will damage the future of Britain. I hope many
:40:40. > :40:44.people will recognise that the only party who have had the guts to say
:40:45. > :40:54.this is us. Let's look at the polls, it is absolutely clear, month
:40:55. > :40:57.after month, week after week, 7% or 8%, that is close to wipe out as a
:40:58. > :41:05.serious political force in this country - my question to you, what
:41:06. > :41:08.is going wrong for you? You have got all these great policies, you have
:41:09. > :41:15.been going around trying to argue with Nigel Farage, who won those
:41:16. > :41:22.debates, according to snap polls. We can talk about polls if you like,
:41:23. > :41:26.they go up and down. But these are consistent. Let's see what happens
:41:27. > :41:32.next week and in the general election. What we are finding up and
:41:33. > :41:36.down the country is, where we get our message across, where we are
:41:37. > :41:40.able to explain that if it was not for us, there would not be an
:41:41. > :41:43.economic recovery, let alone more money into schools through the pupil
:41:44. > :41:50.premium and all of the other things, none of that would have happened.
:41:51. > :41:53.Sure, there might be individual decisions which people do not like,
:41:54. > :41:59.which this government has had to take. But the big judgements,
:42:00. > :42:04.entering into coalition in the first lace to provide stability at a time
:42:05. > :42:07.of great instability, in order to deliver those big changes so that
:42:08. > :42:13.the economy is now looking much more optimistic, I think it would be
:42:14. > :42:17.highly self-defeating, precisely at the point when our big judgements
:42:18. > :42:25.are being vindicated, for us to lose our nerve. That is what we are a
:42:26. > :42:30.much more resilient and united party than our critics suggest. The
:42:31. > :42:33.biggest judgment was too going to coalition in the first place, and
:42:34. > :42:38.the problem is that when things are going badly, the Liberal Democrats
:42:39. > :42:42.get the blame, and when things are going well, the Conservatives gets
:42:43. > :42:45.the credit? That is why it is important that we shelter from the
:42:46. > :42:49.rooftops what we have done. There are not that many people around who
:42:50. > :42:53.want to promote our side of the story. I can see it in my
:42:54. > :42:56.constituency in Sheffield. Where we have been campaigning for months and
:42:57. > :43:05.years, people understand what we have done and by and large, they
:43:06. > :43:09.will continue to support us. By the way, I think next week, one thing
:43:10. > :43:16.which the Westminster -based media has not picked up on at all is the
:43:17. > :43:19.huge blow to traditional Labour support in their big Labour
:43:20. > :43:25.heartlands, for instance in the north, at the hands of UKIP. I think
:43:26. > :43:29.UKIP will do very well particularly at the cost of labour, in their
:43:30. > :43:32.traditional heartlands in the north. That is not something you picked up
:43:33. > :43:36.in poles, but we will see next week whether it comes true or not. We
:43:37. > :43:40.have introduced the subject of Europe, and the Prime Minister has
:43:41. > :43:45.made it clear that he will not carry on as Prime Minister if he cannot
:43:46. > :43:49.deliver an in-out referendum by 2017 - would you allow that to happen if
:43:50. > :43:54.you were in coalition with him again? I am not going to start
:43:55. > :43:58.speculating about who will demand what I'm coalition negotiations
:43:59. > :44:11.after any election. But I will have no problem with a referendum. What I
:44:12. > :44:17.will say is that wind power is transferred, then there should be a
:44:18. > :44:22.referendum. -- when power is transferred. There should have been
:44:23. > :44:25.a referendum at the time of the Lisbon Treaty. The problem with the
:44:26. > :44:28.Conservative position, they are playing hokey cookie with the
:44:29. > :44:32.British people. First, they said they would come up with some
:44:33. > :44:37.sweeping renegotiation of Britain's membership of the European Union.
:44:38. > :44:41.Then it transpires they have got seven, rather minor, insignificant
:44:42. > :44:45.little tweaks which they have got. And now, they are saying that if
:44:46. > :44:50.they do not get those minor changes, they will campaign to leave the
:44:51. > :44:52.European Union. So, you have got UKIP who want to jeopardise the
:44:53. > :44:57.future of the country by pulling out, the Conservatives playing
:44:58. > :45:01.games, this way and that, on Europe, the Labour Party, which is
:45:02. > :45:09.now a great big void on Europe, completely silent on the issue...
:45:10. > :45:12.They are not saying anything. I asked him about a referendum, Ed
:45:13. > :45:17.Miliband, and he said exactly what you have just said. Only the Liberal
:45:18. > :45:21.Democrats have said, you have got to be committed to be in the European
:45:22. > :45:26.Union if you want to win the big arguments on all the major topics.
:45:27. > :45:32.We are the only party, at least we have the courage of our
:45:33. > :45:36.convictions. You are the in no matter what party. We are in for
:45:37. > :45:45.reform, but you cannot win an argument unless you are in an
:45:46. > :45:50.argument. A lot of people say you cannot win the argument unless you
:45:51. > :45:54.threaten them with something. It is a form of petulance to say we are
:45:55. > :45:58.going to stamp our feed to get a shopping list of really minor
:45:59. > :46:04.changes by the way, and if we don't get them we will quit. If you say
:46:05. > :46:12.that, people will say, well suit yourself. You don't think David
:46:13. > :46:16.Cameron can get even minor changes? By the way most of those changes are
:46:17. > :46:24.things people will agree with, for example making sure proper
:46:25. > :46:27.guarantees for the member states outside the European Union zone, of
:46:28. > :46:33.course you need to do that but you don't need to secure the changes by
:46:34. > :46:38.stamping your foot the sideline and threatening to throw your toys out
:46:39. > :46:43.of the pram. So you think it is a phoney agenda? It is never going to
:46:44. > :46:48.satisfy large parts of the Conservative party because large
:46:49. > :46:52.parts of the Conservative party want to join Nigel Farage and leave so we
:46:53. > :47:01.have this phoney war which is now being papered over, the cracks are
:47:02. > :47:08.being papered over, by holding this arbitrary referendum in 2017. I have
:47:09. > :47:11.a problem with the internal divisions of the Conservative party
:47:12. > :47:16.being the determining factor of what should be a policy taken in the
:47:17. > :47:22.national interest. I care about what is right for Britain in the long
:47:23. > :47:26.run, not managing the internal party divisions. You have been involved in
:47:27. > :47:32.the European Union for a very long time, what is the chance of a major
:47:33. > :47:39.renegotiation and a treaty happening by 2017? I think it is much slimmer
:47:40. > :47:44.than David Cameron does. There are many other European governments, the
:47:45. > :47:53.French in particular, who are rather wary of an endless navel-gazing
:47:54. > :47:58.exercise when we should be creating more jobs, entering into new trade
:47:59. > :48:05.deals. Those are the kind of reforms we can get on with now. You have
:48:06. > :48:09.been admirably clear, but from what you have been saying it seems
:48:10. > :48:15.impossible that Nick Clegg and David Cameron could rule together after
:48:16. > :48:21.the next election. I don't see how you could possibly stick together.
:48:22. > :48:26.When the time comes, we will be clear about our priorities. Don't
:48:27. > :48:31.sneer. It is perfectly acceptable for me to say that if nobody wins
:48:32. > :48:38.the next general election, what will happen is compromise. The question
:48:39. > :48:43.is whether you would allow David Cameron to be Prime Minister, and
:48:44. > :48:49.presumably it is not up for grabs. It is simple, I state my view, he
:48:50. > :48:55.states his view, and the British people staked their view in the
:48:56. > :49:04.ballot box. It is wrong for people to presume they know the result of
:49:05. > :49:11.the next general election. If we were to continue in a coalition with
:49:12. > :49:16.the Conservatives, I would continue to be a guarantor for fairness. The
:49:17. > :49:23.Conservatives constantly look at the people -- look after the people at
:49:24. > :49:27.the top, and for me that is a more important role in the grander scheme
:49:28. > :49:31.of things. Since you asked me about my position on the referendum, I am
:49:32. > :49:37.repeating something my party has been saying for years. Again you say
:49:38. > :49:41.that the most important thing is to protect the people at the bottom of
:49:42. > :49:44.the heap which suggests to me you could trade the notion of when the
:49:45. > :49:51.referendum happens in favour of protecting people. I think it is
:49:52. > :49:57.clear from the way you are talking where your priorities are. I just
:49:58. > :50:01.have this old-fashioned view that an election should be determined by the
:50:02. > :50:07.voters, and we should not second-guess them but say what we
:50:08. > :50:12.believe. We are the only party to say what we believe in Europe, other
:50:13. > :50:17.parties can say what they wish, then people can make up their mind and we
:50:18. > :50:27.have to deal with the card dealt to us. We have been talking about the
:50:28. > :50:31.next coalition, let's talk about this one which appears to be coming
:50:32. > :50:35.apart completely. Dominic Cummings has been saying that you are self
:50:36. > :50:40.obsessed, sanctimonious, so dishonest he doesn't know what right
:50:41. > :50:45.and wrong is, a revolting character, we have thwarted Nick Clegg as much
:50:46. > :50:50.as record. That is one of your allies. What is going on in
:50:51. > :50:56.coalition? It is exactly what it says on the tin, two parties which
:50:57. > :51:00.are different. I'm not a Conservative, never would be, they
:51:01. > :51:05.would not be Liberal Democrats, but by and large we resolve our
:51:06. > :51:10.differences successfully. Far from that lead into paralysis, I think
:51:11. > :51:15.many people accept we have been an extremely ambitious reforming
:51:16. > :51:22.government across welfare, pensions, education, tax, and so on. From time
:51:23. > :51:29.to time you get intemperate language from people, I will leave that to
:51:30. > :51:33.them, but this coalition has shown... In the last government you
:51:34. > :51:40.had a Blair government and the Brown government, but at least a day in
:51:41. > :51:45.day out, David Cameron and myself make sure we seek to resolve our
:51:46. > :51:51.differences, sometimes successfully, sometimes not, but the history books
:51:52. > :51:56.will show that when it comes to reforming the economy, fixing the
:51:57. > :52:01.banks, more apprenticeships, a more sustainable pension system, we have
:52:02. > :52:09.delivered over and over again. What is undermining the authority is that
:52:10. > :52:17.extreme language, actually coming from both sides. I always tried to
:52:18. > :52:26.express my opinions about other people by not indulging in infantile
:52:27. > :52:29.personal language about them, we have talked about some of the
:52:30. > :52:32.differences between the Conservatives and the Liberal
:52:33. > :52:39.Democrats... You should call off the Liberal Democrat dogs perhaps. I
:52:40. > :52:44.think we have had remarkable successes and I have lost count of
:52:45. > :52:50.the predictions that it was going to end, fall apart, and every time we
:52:51. > :52:55.have confounded those sceptics. We have fixed the economy, delivered
:52:56. > :53:00.fairer taxes, and I like to think people will look back on this
:53:01. > :53:04.Government and say it is an unprecedented government doing
:53:05. > :53:10.unprecedented things. Let's turn again to Europe because that is the
:53:11. > :53:18.vote, not now. Nigel Farage has said you can tell a Romanian next to you
:53:19. > :53:23.compared with the German, is that racist language? I think the mass is
:53:24. > :53:28.starting to slip and what is being revealed is a really nasty view of
:53:29. > :53:32.the world. Anyone who singles out one community, one nationality, and
:53:33. > :53:38.says I don't want to live next door to them, I think that is the
:53:39. > :53:42.politics of division and should have no place in modern Britain. I would
:53:43. > :53:48.say to people, if you don't like that point of view, if like me you
:53:49. > :53:53.are really put off by this very divisive nasty approach to things,
:53:54. > :54:00.please go out and vote. The more people don't vote, the more likely
:54:01. > :54:09.it is UKIP will get in. And you are willing to debate on television
:54:10. > :54:13.about these things? I think that because I was willing to take Nigel
:54:14. > :54:17.Farage on, the political consensus was to ignore him but I decided to
:54:18. > :54:21.take him on and I like to think that is one of the reasons he is now
:54:22. > :54:27.being subject to more scrutiny, the mask is starting to slip, and many
:54:28. > :54:32.British people don't share his view. That's why I would ask them to go
:54:33. > :54:36.out and vote next week so we can deliver a convincing answer of
:54:37. > :54:39.decency to that nastiness. The governor of the Bank of England has
:54:40. > :54:44.said for the first time he is worried about the housing bubble, is
:54:45. > :54:50.he right? We certainly shouldn't repeat the terrible mistakes of the
:54:51. > :54:55.past. I think if he says we need to pare back on some of the Government
:54:56. > :54:59.schemes like the Help To Buy scheme, we should do so, and he is certainly
:55:00. > :55:06.right when he says the long-term problem is that we simply don't
:55:07. > :55:10.build enough homes in this country. One final question, I don't know if
:55:11. > :55:14.you heard Nicola Sturgeon expressing disbelief about the possibility of
:55:15. > :55:19.more devolution if there is a no vote in the Scottish referendum,
:55:20. > :55:30.what is your message to Scotland? I think further devolution is now
:55:31. > :55:36.inevitable. There is an emerging consensus, my party has always
:55:37. > :55:39.advocated home-rule, Labour have now come up with their ideas, the
:55:40. > :55:45.Conservatives are about to publish their ideas and I want the Liberal
:55:46. > :55:50.Democrats to act as a guarantor in any future government because I
:55:51. > :55:58.think that is the right future for Scotland, in the UK but with greater
:55:59. > :56:09.devolution within the UK. Thank you, now the news headlines. Nick Clegg
:56:10. > :56:13.has said that if it wasn't for his party being in the Coalition, the
:56:14. > :56:19.economic recovery would not have happened. Nick Clegg says he had no
:56:20. > :56:24.problem with a referendum on the UK membership of the EU, if there is a
:56:25. > :56:27.further transfer of power to Brussels but he accused David
:56:28. > :56:31.Cameron of adopting a petulant approach to Europe. The Governor of
:56:32. > :56:37.the Bank of England has given his strongest warning yet about the
:56:38. > :56:39.risks to the UK economy posed by the booming housing market.
:56:40. > :56:45.In an interview with Sky News he said there were deep structural
:56:46. > :56:49.problems with demand for homes outstripping supply. The next news
:56:50. > :56:54.is on BBC One at one o'clock, now let's look at what is coming up
:56:55. > :57:00.immediately after this programme. We will be in London at ten o'clock,
:57:01. > :57:05.asking one big question - did the First World War change Britain for
:57:06. > :57:10.the better? We have writers, historians, commentators and
:57:11. > :57:15.campaigners ready to debate. Nick Clegg is still with me and we
:57:16. > :57:19.have been joined again by Lynn Barber and Ann Treneman. You were
:57:20. > :57:25.mentioning the Chilcott inquiry in the paper review. I thought I would
:57:26. > :57:32.ask Nick, I've heard you would like to see it published. Yes, it is very
:57:33. > :57:38.frustrating. What is the problem? It is an independent inquiry so it is
:57:39. > :57:42.not up to me or David Cameron. I think it should be and could be
:57:43. > :57:48.published by the end of the year. I have asked the Cabinet Secretary to
:57:49. > :57:54.make sure the Whitehall departments cooperate so the outstanding
:57:55. > :58:00.issues... Are they not cooperating? There are just so many documents, so
:58:01. > :58:04.much toing and froing. I think it is really important it should be
:58:05. > :58:09.published and can be published by the end of the year. You are right,
:58:10. > :58:14.people want to know. This is one of the most momentous mistakes and
:58:15. > :58:19.British foreign policy ever. Lowering the tone, I wondered when
:58:20. > :58:26.you last had a cigarette. Don't ask me that! More recently than I should
:58:27. > :58:32.have done. An hour ago? No, I never smoked during the day, I have always
:58:33. > :58:39.been an end of the day kind of smoke but it is an ongoing journey. Do you
:58:40. > :58:46.smoke? Like a chimney, yes. I have been in this studio now for my
:58:47. > :58:53.tolerance level. You are starting to twitch? I hope my children aren't
:58:54. > :58:59.watching this! On that interesting note, thank you very much indeed. We
:59:00. > :59:03.have run out of time. Please join me again next Sunday when we will be
:59:04. > :59:09.digesting the results of the local elections and we will hear from the
:59:10. > :59:31.actor James McAvoy, but for now a very good morning, goodbye.
:59:32. > :59:35.A new era blooms at the RHS Chelsea Flower Show,
:59:36. > :59:39.with a fresh crop of exciting young designers.