:00:24. > :00:23.don't get too worried because in three or
:00:24. > :00:24.don't get too worried because in rates will be higher than they are
:00:25. > :00:24.now, rates will be higher than they are
:00:25. > :00:24.You are watching Breakfast. The
:00:25. > :00:24.You are watching Breakfast. residence before shooting three
:00:25. > :00:24.people dead and injuring residence before shooting three
:00:25. > :00:24.connection with shooting at the Jewish
:00:25. > :00:25.the European and lush directions. -- national elections.
:00:26. > :00:44.the European and lush directions. Let's talk
:00:45. > :00:52.tremors from the local elections have started to subside, this is
:00:53. > :00:58.Shipper Sunday. We will be talking to the main parties as they emerge
:00:59. > :01:06.blinking from the rubble. Joining me, two-bedroom seismologists, the
:01:07. > :01:09.LBC broadcaster Iain Dale and the actress Sheila Hancock. Nigel Farage
:01:10. > :01:16.propose to say that the UKIP foxes in the Westminster Ham --henhouse,
:01:17. > :01:20.grinning from one ear to the other with blood and feathers all over his
:01:21. > :01:23.face. European votes are still to be counted so who knows what will
:01:24. > :01:27.happen later denied when results start coming? The challenge to the
:01:28. > :01:33.main parties is how to learn lessons that rampant rise of the UKIP. The
:01:34. > :01:36.Conservatives have long sensed the electoral threat. Theresa May will
:01:37. > :01:40.be here to assess what has happened. Quite a competition to
:01:41. > :01:44.wait forever, as she took on the police Federation in a very daring
:01:45. > :01:50.speech which has led to more talk for her as leader, but she has also
:01:51. > :01:53.been talking about immigration, which hasn't fallen anywhere near as
:01:54. > :01:58.far as the Prime Minister promised and helped drive angry voters to
:01:59. > :02:04.UKIP. It has been a disastrous time in the local elections for the Lib
:02:05. > :02:07.Dems, and they are bracing themselves for trouble in the
:02:08. > :02:14.European elections as well. Tim Barron joins us later. They are
:02:15. > :02:17.looking to each Nick Clegg. Labour want to be poised for victory at the
:02:18. > :02:21.next General Election, but it doesn't seem that way. Harriet
:02:22. > :02:25.Harman joins me today, one question being asked by many supporters after
:02:26. > :02:30.a lacklustre campaign is does Labour have an Ed Miliband problem? And we
:02:31. > :02:34.will have one of the foremost stars of his generation later on. James
:02:35. > :02:39.McAvoy has been sounding off to Sophie about superheroes, politicos
:02:40. > :02:44.and his misgivings about 3-D movies. It bumps the DVD price up and I
:02:45. > :02:53.think it is a con, a lot of the time. All of that and more in a
:02:54. > :02:56.while. First, over two the news. It has emerged overnight that the
:02:57. > :02:59.student gunmen who killed six students in California began his
:03:00. > :03:03.killing spree by stabbing to death three housemates at his university
:03:04. > :03:08.residence. British-born Elliott Roger, the son of a Hollywood film
:03:09. > :03:12.director, had posted online video and a 141 page document detailing
:03:13. > :03:15.his feelings of isolation and desire to commit mass murder, before
:03:16. > :03:22.embarking on his rampage yesterday morning. Security has been stepped
:03:23. > :03:28.up at Jewish chides across Belgium after a gunman killed three people
:03:29. > :03:31.at Jewish Museum in Brussels. And fourth victim remains in critical
:03:32. > :03:36.condition. The authorities fear that the gun attack was anti-Semitic. Two
:03:37. > :03:40.Israeli tourists are among the dead. A arrested yesterday has been
:03:41. > :03:45.released after questioning and is being treated as a witness.
:03:46. > :03:48.Nick Clegg is under increasing pressure from members of his own
:03:49. > :03:55.party to stand down as the leader of the Liberal Democrats. Two members
:03:56. > :04:00.of the party said the public had lost trust in Mister Clegg. The
:04:01. > :04:04.Independent on Sunday say a number of unnamed MPs are poised to demand
:04:05. > :04:08.his resignation. A party spokesman said the Lib Dem's message should
:04:09. > :04:12.not be distorted by needless infighting.
:04:13. > :04:17.The Bank of England interest rate will settle at an average 23-5% in
:04:18. > :04:20.the next three years, according to the outgoing deputy governor.
:04:21. > :04:25.Charlie Bean said there was a case for starting to put rates up early,
:04:26. > :04:28.so the overall increase can be achieved gradually.
:04:29. > :04:32.The majority of EU countries go to the polls today to select their
:04:33. > :04:35.representatives in the European Parliament. People in the UK and
:04:36. > :04:45.Ireland, along with five other countries, cast their votes earlier
:04:46. > :04:47.this week. By this evening, a clear picture should have emerged as to
:04:48. > :04:48.how Europe voted although final results are not expected until
:04:49. > :04:51.tomorrow. That is all from me, I will be back
:04:52. > :04:56.with the headlines just before 10am. Many thanks. As usual, the front
:04:57. > :05:00.pages of the Sunday Times, an interesting story, Tories pressing
:05:01. > :05:06.for an early EU poll in 2016, not 2017. The Sunday Telegraph has the
:05:07. > :05:15.Prince Charles against Putin story, Putin saying it is not fit for a
:05:16. > :05:20.future monarch. A story here to make everyone at the BBC feel happy,
:05:21. > :05:26.Jeremy Clarkson with a new ?12 million BBC deal. We are all very
:05:27. > :05:31.pleased about that. We had sex in Katie's stable, I don't know who it
:05:32. > :05:34.is and I don't care. And the Observer, triumphant UKIP draws a
:05:35. > :05:41.paid list of 20 key seeds to storm the Commons. --seeds. Ian Bell and
:05:42. > :05:44.Sheila Hancock, so thank you for coming in early on a Sunday
:05:45. > :05:49.morning. You will start with the UKIP story? We will quickly look at
:05:50. > :05:58.the Mail on Sunday, about this man in California who has slaughtered so
:05:59. > :06:02.many young girls and also one man. This is yet another gun story from
:06:03. > :06:07.America, this time it is a British-born student. He has clearly
:06:08. > :06:12.got mental health issues, I suppose anybody who does this sort of thing
:06:13. > :06:18.has, and it is all to do with the fact that he's sexually frustrated.
:06:19. > :06:23.It is very petulant his message, I am 22, I am still a virgin, it is
:06:24. > :06:26.not fair. I suspect there are several around the world but none of
:06:27. > :06:30.them would look at doing something like this. We are horrified by it
:06:31. > :06:33.but I suspect that this does happen in other countries, but it does
:06:34. > :06:37.happen in America quite a lot and it will no doubt get the gun
:06:38. > :06:43.controversy going again. What comes out of it also is his hatred of
:06:44. > :06:47.women, which is really sad, but I don't want to discuss it, because
:06:48. > :06:54.those things are just so upsetting and so confusing. It is an example
:06:55. > :06:58.of a horrible story which teaches us nothing new. Absolutely, because it
:06:59. > :07:03.happens again and again and you think there must be some solution,
:07:04. > :07:07.but there isn't. In terms of a horrible story which we have to
:07:08. > :07:14.learn from, you have chosen the Great Wall. -- the Great War. As
:07:15. > :07:20.Quaker and a pacifist, I am worried about this year of celebration and
:07:21. > :07:23.commemoration of war. I am not sure it is celebration. Well,
:07:24. > :07:28.commemoration, and it can turn into nostalgic praise of war. This is a
:07:29. > :07:31.marvellous supplement by the Sunday people, with some of the most
:07:32. > :07:35.graphic trench pictures I have ever seen about the First World War.
:07:36. > :07:38.There is a man having his tooth taken out in the trenches, the
:07:39. > :07:47.horses scrambling up the trench walls. There is a man showing the
:07:48. > :07:52.only bit they have gained, 20,000 of them died for it. It is wonderful
:07:53. > :07:56.and I hope people will look at it. It is and I think you do have to
:07:57. > :07:59.commemorate events like this. Somebody said, if you don't learn
:08:00. > :08:04.the lessons of history, you are condemned to repeat them. I think it
:08:05. > :08:08.was Churchill. I think so far, we haven't stepped into a macabre
:08:09. > :08:11.celebration. A lot of people know nothing about the First World War in
:08:12. > :08:16.this country and I think it is something we need to learn from. If
:08:17. > :08:19.they know nothing about it, I urge them to look at this, because this
:08:20. > :08:26.gives them a very graphic idea of what war is like. I mentioned the
:08:27. > :08:31.Putin story in the Sunday Telegraph. Putin is hitting back. It has taken
:08:32. > :08:34.the Russians quite a long time to hit back, they seemed remarkably
:08:35. > :08:39.relaxed initially but the comment is, "he is an educated man, this is
:08:40. > :08:45.not royal behaviour, not what Mondex do". In a sense, he has a point,
:08:46. > :08:49.monarchs don't usually speak out on this. I think Prince Charles had
:08:50. > :08:55.every right to, it is a private conversation, if you can ever have
:08:56. > :08:59.one if you are Prince Charles. Surrounded by journalists. Yes, from
:09:00. > :09:06.the Daily Mail. But he did have a point, they have annexed Crimea and
:09:07. > :09:12.Hitler annexed the Sudetenland. He will have to stop doing it he picked
:09:13. > :09:20.-- becomes king, he will have to meet Putin. There is a good article
:09:21. > :09:25.here that talks about the monarchy and Charles and the fact that he is
:09:26. > :09:28.a man of opinions. He will not be like the Queen and I think we have
:09:29. > :09:34.to think about the monarchy very seriously, because it has to adapt
:09:35. > :09:38.to him. The comment at the end, it says, "as a monarchist, I would
:09:39. > :09:42.rather have a king in waiting who lived a little dangerously and I
:09:43. > :09:46.would rather have a republic than a king who thought it was his duty to
:09:47. > :09:50.be a silent dummy. " I think we have to think seriously about that,
:09:51. > :09:53.whether we approve or not. We do have to be careful, because many
:09:54. > :09:59.Russians died in the Second World War fighting against Hitler, let us
:10:00. > :10:07.not forget that. We do forget that, 20 million of millions. You have
:10:08. > :10:11.turned to the Sun. I wouldn't normally, but the headline is
:10:12. > :10:20.basically the Tory message for the next election campaign. How UKIP
:10:21. > :10:24.will put Ed Miliband into power. It is cunning of Lord Ashcroft to do
:10:25. > :10:27.this, lulling Labour into a false sense of security. Because they are
:10:28. > :10:31.ahead in many of security. Because they are ahead in many other battle
:10:32. > :10:35.grounds. They are, but that same poll that Steyn had a Conservative
:10:36. > :10:42.majority of 70, so if Labour are getting a bit confident after this,
:10:43. > :10:47.they shouldn't. -- last time. In the rest of the country, the results
:10:48. > :10:50.were patchy and there is a lot of evidence that UKIP are taking Labour
:10:51. > :10:55.votes, particularly in the North of England. Nobody knows how that will
:10:56. > :11:02.pan out in the election. Last week, Nick Clegg said to me the real story
:11:03. > :11:07.will be UKIP taking Labour votes, which there is a certain amount of
:11:08. > :11:10.truth too. There is. Everybody just thinks they take the Tory votes, but
:11:11. > :11:15.Nigel Farage will save a lot of votes come from people who have not
:11:16. > :11:20.voted for donkeys' years. He is right. Nobody can predict the next
:11:21. > :11:24.election result, no one knows what will happen to the UKIP abode. It
:11:25. > :11:30.may disintegrate over the next year, I don't think it will, but we have a
:11:31. > :11:34.fair idea of what will happen to Liberal Democrat votes. In London,
:11:35. > :11:39.it went to Labour. They were virtually wiped out. Nigel Farage
:11:40. > :11:44.has been a hugely successful leader and front man, but he is there by
:11:45. > :11:48.himself. When will we see other UKIP figures? We have seen that in this
:11:49. > :11:53.local election campaign. Suzanne Evans has come out of nowhere. I
:11:54. > :12:02.think she is probably a future leader for UKIP. She actually lost
:12:03. > :12:05.her seat in London. Their Deputy Leader, very good economics
:12:06. > :12:09.spokesman, it will take time for people to get into the media
:12:10. > :12:17.spotlight, but I think the BBC now ought to actually include UKIP on
:12:18. > :12:21.their panels. David Dimbleby had liberal Democrat, Labour and
:12:22. > :12:26.Conservative, no UKIP spokesman. We have been here so often before, all
:12:27. > :12:31.of this "the Lib Dems are going to destroy everybody because they have
:12:32. > :12:37.one local election". I think like Prince Charles, we have to rethink
:12:38. > :12:40.politics. I think the lesson we should learn from Nigel Farage...
:12:41. > :12:46.The thing I like about him, and I don't like much, is that he admits
:12:47. > :12:51.his mistakes. How often do you hear them say, " I am sorry, I was wrong
:12:52. > :12:59.about that, I take that back. " I am so sick of people, you will probably
:13:00. > :13:05.get it with ease to when they talk, I hope not, but this party line,
:13:06. > :13:10.they have been trained to speak to the cameras properly, they have been
:13:11. > :13:14.trained. Nigel Farage doesn't care. But sadly, he and Boris Johnson are
:13:15. > :13:22.the people that are doing at that, and the public are taking to them
:13:23. > :13:25.for that reason. I hate to advise you on interviewing technique, but
:13:26. > :13:29.if Theresa May or Harriet Harman say to you, we must listen to the
:13:30. > :13:35.message the voters have given to us, that is what they said a year ago.
:13:36. > :13:38.Well, what is this message? They say the same thing year after year. I am
:13:39. > :13:45.sure they weren't! They probably won't now they have heard you pry
:13:46. > :13:57.me. Let's move on to your old wood. It is a photograph story, I don't
:13:58. > :14:02.know Yarlswood, but I know other detention centres. We have talked
:14:03. > :14:06.about immigration hell of a lot, but let's talk about how we have been
:14:07. > :14:13.treated asylum seekers. A lot of nasty things going on barbed wire
:14:14. > :14:17.fences -- how we have been treating. I don't think the public would like
:14:18. > :14:23.it. There is a wonderful picture. Photographs can tell a story, this
:14:24. > :14:26.is a story of asylum seekers going onto a boat that very obviously is
:14:27. > :14:31.going to sink. It is a ramshackle thing. And I think we should just
:14:32. > :14:37.occasionally think of the human stories behind the mass immigration
:14:38. > :14:40.figures are what these people are getting away from and how proud we
:14:41. > :14:48.should be, in a way, that they think we are better than that. Good point.
:14:49. > :14:57.Chuka Umunna I think is your next story. The reason I picked this, it
:14:58. > :15:01.is of voters' crushing verdict, Labour can win if they dump Ed
:15:02. > :15:06.Miliband. If they replace him with "city slicker foes could Chuka
:15:07. > :15:12.Umunna. They have some evidence that he has emerged as a surprise new
:15:13. > :15:16.favourite Ed Miliband. On my radio show in the last hour, somebody rang
:15:17. > :15:21.in extolling his virtues, saying he is the man to win the election
:15:22. > :15:24.Labour. It was entirely spontaneous, and then entirely spontaneously,
:15:25. > :15:29.five or six others rang in and say the same thing. It wasn't organised,
:15:30. > :15:33.it was spontaneous and it did make me think, is he reaching parts of
:15:34. > :15:39.the electorate that Ed Miliband is failing to? He has talked about as
:15:40. > :15:45.the British Barack Obama, and he is someone to be reckoned with. I don't
:15:46. > :15:50.think Labour will dump Ed Miliband. It is like the next story with Nick
:15:51. > :15:55.Clegg in the Independent on Sunday. If the Liberal Democrats get rid of
:15:56. > :16:00.Nick Clegg, they have gone mad. He has brought them into Government for
:16:01. > :16:04.the first time. John Pugh is quoted as saying, "it doesn't follow that
:16:05. > :16:19.because the captain should go down with the ship, the ship is to go
:16:20. > :16:25.down with the captain. " Any Lib Dems that do this are stark raving
:16:26. > :16:31.mad. Sheila, you have got a big story. This is about Putin having a
:16:32. > :16:39.go at this opera singer because she was plump, and appallingly insulting
:16:40. > :16:45.reviews about the way she looks. This marvellous article in the
:16:46. > :16:48.Observer talking about that, saying this rather unattractive critic
:16:49. > :16:52.sitting there saying this girl who has the most beautiful voice is
:16:53. > :16:57.giving a bad performance because she is on the plump side and they cannot
:16:58. > :17:03.imagine her being sexually attractive. Sad little men. Then she
:17:04. > :17:11.goes into a more detailed critique of the critics, saying there they
:17:12. > :17:16.are, 70% male so it is not surprising they are sitting in front
:17:17. > :17:20.saying, she is not pretty enough for that part. I thought in the old days
:17:21. > :17:34.opera singers who were not large one not supposed to have as good voices.
:17:35. > :17:38.The men, I go and see opera occasionally and they are huge, and
:17:39. > :17:44.I don't care because they sound wonderful and it is a fantasy
:17:45. > :17:48.anyway. This particular opera is so complicated, she is meant to be a
:17:49. > :17:56.boy but she is a girl and she falls in love with a girl who falls in
:17:57. > :18:06.love with her, who thinks she is a boy. I love the fact there is an art
:18:07. > :18:14.critic called Clap! We move onto? Amazon, it is their tax affairs, it
:18:15. > :18:21.is incredible. They are incredible, anyone who orders from Amazon, rape
:18:22. > :18:34.customer service. Do you buy your books from Amazon? I do, I feel
:18:35. > :18:41.dirty doing it... But Amazon are paying ?4.2 million, they have a
:18:42. > :18:45.turnover of ?11 billion, they are hugely profitable company and they
:18:46. > :18:50.can do this because they funnel it through Luxembourg. Your local book
:18:51. > :18:56.shop cannot do that, and they sell lots of things obviously other than
:18:57. > :19:04.books but the VAT in Luxembourg is 5%. I will be doing the festival
:19:05. > :19:08.round in autumn and I enjoy it. This is a marvellous article about the
:19:09. > :19:13.Hay Festival, and there is a quote from Kennedy saying it is about the
:19:14. > :19:17.audiences, they are lovely, completely unrepresented in the
:19:18. > :19:25.British cultural debate. He said it is all toxic stuff about what people
:19:26. > :19:31.can and cannot say. Buy a book in the local book shop, and then go to
:19:32. > :19:36.your local festival whatever you do. It will restore your faith in
:19:37. > :19:39.humanity. The weather in a moment, but first of the Lib Dems. A
:19:40. > :19:44.hammering in the local elections was on the cards and that is what
:19:45. > :19:48.happened, they lost nearly 300 seats. Tonight we will find out how
:19:49. > :19:59.they fared in terms of European Parliament seats but how does this
:20:00. > :20:07.boat for the John the -- how does this bode for the general election
:20:08. > :20:14.in one year? I am joined by Tim Farron. We will be looking at the
:20:15. > :20:23.results, we will see what happens tonight and we will look ahead to
:20:24. > :20:29.2015 and Nick Clegg's leadership, to do what we have been doing all along
:20:30. > :20:35.and concentrate on our assets. There were a lot of people who didn't
:20:36. > :20:41.deserve to lose, who worked their socks off. All the same, in places
:20:42. > :20:47.like Hull, Sheffield, Sultan, Watford, we have seen the Liberal
:20:48. > :20:51.Democrats doing well and we have to build those fortresses. We have a
:20:52. > :20:56.first past the post system for the general election next year and we
:20:57. > :21:03.had to operate on that basis. Under the leadership of Nick Clegg, we
:21:04. > :21:09.will go forward and be proud behind our leader. You keep saying our
:21:10. > :21:14.leader, and the message is very clear, but this headline says there
:21:15. > :21:18.is a petition running on your supporters and party members for a
:21:19. > :21:24.change of leadership. What is your message to those people? I
:21:25. > :21:31.understand that there will be lots of people who are bruised by the
:21:32. > :21:41.results. I have lost elections before and it is miserable, and I
:21:42. > :21:44.also understand why many people will feel the message is a really
:21:45. > :21:51.difficult one. We will have lost people who voted for us four years
:21:52. > :21:58.ago, but I just think that this time it will be foolish for us as a party
:21:59. > :22:02.to turn on ourselves. What separates the Liberal Democrats from the
:22:03. > :22:08.Conservatives is that whilst the Conservative have been fighting with
:22:09. > :22:20.each other, we have is. United. -- we have stood united. It hasn't done
:22:21. > :22:23.very well for you, hasn't it? Being in government has clearly damaged
:22:24. > :22:28.our electoral standing and I think we could have predicted that at the
:22:29. > :22:41.beginning. It was the right thing to do for the country though. Is the
:22:42. > :22:44.answer not to ditch Nick Clegg, when what is the solution to your
:22:45. > :22:50.problem? A lot of Liberal Democrats feel they are facing oblivion at the
:22:51. > :22:54.moment. I don't downplay it in the slightest because one of the things
:22:55. > :22:58.I hate about this point in the cycle is that you end up in a position
:22:59. > :23:02.where you are having to talk about people losing their seats as
:23:03. > :23:07.collateral damage and these are real human beings who have worked their
:23:08. > :23:12.socks off for their party and community, often for donkeys years
:23:13. > :23:19.and have lost through no fault of their own. The idea we can dismiss
:23:20. > :23:23.this... It is not their fault? I have deep sympathy with the fact
:23:24. > :23:28.people feel the way they do but I don't agree with any conclusion.
:23:29. > :23:32.About 200 people signed the petition, some of whom are not party
:23:33. > :23:37.members, and the overwhelming majority of the party believes we
:23:38. > :23:41.took a tough decision four years ago and just at the point that decision
:23:42. > :23:45.is paying off with the economic recovery and we are being vindicated
:23:46. > :23:50.for the decisions we took in 2010, it would be weird for the party to
:23:51. > :23:56.change direction and somehow decided that all the things we got right we
:23:57. > :24:01.didn't mean to do. You are sinking and your messages to carry on
:24:02. > :24:06.straight towards the rocks? No, it isn't at all. It would be
:24:07. > :24:11.dishonest to say otherwise but we have done badly in many areas of the
:24:12. > :24:17.country over Thursday and Friday, but it is also important to remember
:24:18. > :24:26.how well we have done in places like Hull, Newcastle and Redcar. Some of
:24:27. > :24:33.them are not Liberal Democrats seats now but we have done well in others
:24:34. > :24:37.as well. In 2015 we will go forward with Nick Clegg and defend our
:24:38. > :24:45.record, and we have to apply our track record of community politics
:24:46. > :24:49.to our communities. If it is not just going to be under Nick Clegg
:24:50. > :24:55.but also underwater, you have to make some big changes, don't you? At
:24:56. > :24:59.what point are you going to start distancing yourselves more clearly
:25:00. > :25:02.from the Conservatives? My view is that we should have been perhaps
:25:03. > :25:09.more distinctive from the beginning on many issues but you cannot be so
:25:10. > :25:13.distinctive that you are disruptive. What is on trial here is plural
:25:14. > :25:18.politics, coalition government. If people come to the next election and
:25:19. > :25:22.think that coalition government is a mess and a non-stable thing, which
:25:23. > :25:28.it has not been, but if that was the case people would be pushed to the
:25:29. > :25:37.extremes again. They wouldn't want to vote for parties who could form
:25:38. > :25:40.part of the Coalition, all lead one. Now in 2014, when the tough
:25:41. > :25:46.decisions are paying off and their risk and economic recovery, it would
:25:47. > :25:53.be foolish to turn our back on that. If I was the Liberal Democrat MP
:25:54. > :26:00.calling today for the Nick Clegg to go, what would your message speak to
:26:01. > :26:05.me directly? I don't think John Pugh has called for Nick Clegg to go. He
:26:06. > :26:10.has expressed concern about the direction of the party, there are
:26:11. > :26:14.some fair points, and I am not dismissing the concerns people have
:26:15. > :26:18.about the state of the party and about our continuing poll ratings,
:26:19. > :26:23.but it is important to remember that we can make things a lot worse by
:26:24. > :26:28.turning in on ourselves. We can also make things worse by looking like we
:26:29. > :26:32.don't agree with the difficult things we did four years ago. If
:26:33. > :26:38.George Osborne had been in power on his own there would have been many
:26:39. > :26:43.more cuts and we would have seen demand sucked out of the recovery
:26:44. > :26:49.far more. I am sure it is down to the Liberal Democrats there is a
:26:50. > :26:54.recovery. Tim Farron, thank you for joining us. Now to the weather
:26:55. > :26:58.forecast. Thunder and lightning across the country yesterday, a sign
:26:59. > :27:03.of The Times? If you are wondering whether it is safe to get the
:27:04. > :27:12.barbecue out for the weekend, let's see what Phil has to say. It might
:27:13. > :27:18.be pushing it a bit far, talking about barbecue weather. There will
:27:19. > :27:24.be heavy, thundery showers in the mix. We have had rain this morning
:27:25. > :27:30.from the Midlands and on towards Lincolnshire, and in Scotland. I'm
:27:31. > :27:38.hoping this southern belt of weather will turn more showery through the
:27:39. > :27:44.afternoon. Brighter skies further south and east, 18 or 19 in the
:27:45. > :27:48.sunshine, but where you keep the cloud across the north of Scotland,
:27:49. > :27:55.11 only. Through the course of the night, more heavy showers and there
:27:56. > :28:01.will be another area of shower activity up through France into the
:28:02. > :28:05.south and the Midlands. Monday will be a mixture of sunny spells and
:28:06. > :28:12.some pretty heavy and frequent showers. Mention of the storm
:28:13. > :28:15.clouds, they will certainly be gathering in the forthcoming week. A
:28:16. > :28:25.fair amount of cloud bringing rain at times, it will also be breezy and
:28:26. > :28:29.feeling rather cool. Meteorological storms and political storms too. If
:28:30. > :28:32.the local election results are reliable, Ed Miliband's hopes of
:28:33. > :28:38.winning the next general election have been undermined by the surge of
:28:39. > :28:44.UKIP. Traditional Labour strongholds fell to Nigel Farage's candidates
:28:45. > :28:49.giving Ed Miliband a big problem. Many say the problem starts with the
:28:50. > :28:54.leader himself, his deputy Harriet Harman joins me now. Do you have a
:28:55. > :29:00.problem with Ed Miliband in your party? I disagree with the way you
:29:01. > :29:04.framed it. Many people feel really disaffected from politics and
:29:05. > :29:10.alienate it from politics, and in a way I think you could have benefited
:29:11. > :29:14.from that but it is not true to say we are all in the same boat and that
:29:15. > :29:19.Labour is facing difficulties. Next week I have to sit down and write
:29:20. > :29:25.300 letters to candidates who are now councillors who have won their
:29:26. > :29:28.seats. We have won more votes than the other parties and more
:29:29. > :29:33.councillors so I cannot answer a question about how bad things are
:29:34. > :29:38.for Ed Miliband. Compared to the other parties, we are moving
:29:39. > :29:42.forward. I agree with the point there is major disaffection and I
:29:43. > :29:49.think UKIP have benefited from that but they are not the answer to that.
:29:50. > :29:53.I have got to be congratulating our candidates when the Tories and the
:29:54. > :30:00.Lib Dems will be writing condolence letters. There was an argument
:30:01. > :30:04.running for a long time that it was a family split on the right, nothing
:30:05. > :30:12.to do with the Labour Party, and this shows that was not true. We
:30:13. > :30:16.never said that, we never said the rise of UKIP was a good thing
:30:17. > :30:22.because it splits the vote on the right politics. That is not what we
:30:23. > :30:26.said. We said we had to address the underlying causes of concern that
:30:27. > :30:29.people have that lead them to say... And I face people on their doorstep
:30:30. > :30:32.in the election and they would looked me straight in the eye,
:30:33. > :30:36.saying normally I am a Labour supporter but I am not going to vote
:30:37. > :30:43.for you, I will vote for UKIP because I think you need a shake-up.
:30:44. > :30:46.What do you think... It is like anti-politics, you have to get your
:30:47. > :30:50.act together and we are listening to that and dealing with the issues
:30:51. > :30:55.they are raising, the standard of living, hopes for the future,
:30:56. > :30:59.they are raising, the standard of You don't think it is to do with
:31:00. > :31:05.immigration? I think immigration is part and parcel of people's concern.
:31:06. > :31:09.They feel they are working hard, but pay is stagnating, it is difficult
:31:10. > :31:13.for them to get a home, they are concerned about those things. That
:31:14. > :31:16.is why issues like we have put forward, preventing agencies,
:31:17. > :31:24.exclusively bringing in employees from Poland rather than people here,
:31:25. > :31:28.they are important issues. You save you are listening to these people
:31:29. > :31:33.and you accept that immigration is one those things -- you say, but
:31:34. > :31:40.that use site policies you have already announced. So what are you
:31:41. > :31:44.going to do that is going to be different as a result? It is not
:31:45. > :31:48.only listening to people and making it clear to them that we make those
:31:49. > :31:52.concerns, I think that was one of the very important things people
:31:53. > :31:58.wanted to say, you have to listen to us, but more than that, we actually
:31:59. > :32:01.have to give them the confidence that in the Labour Party, we have
:32:02. > :32:05.the solution to those problems. It is not just enough to listen. We
:32:06. > :32:11.have to rebuild the confidence which has been eroded. In time, not in the
:32:12. > :32:17.most immediate past, but for some time. In the Labour Party? In the
:32:18. > :32:22.whole political process, since MPs' expensive, the financial crisis.
:32:23. > :32:29.People are thinking can any of this blog help with our problems which --
:32:30. > :32:32.expenses. Ed Miliband is one of the only party leaders who actually
:32:33. > :32:37.understands that people are having trouble making ends meet is and we
:32:38. > :32:40.no need to build their confidence. So having listened and listened and
:32:41. > :32:48.listened, is there a single policy you are going to change as a result
:32:49. > :32:52.or is it going on as before? It is not abstract listening, it is
:32:53. > :32:55.showing we have listened and developing those policies. We have
:32:56. > :33:02.developed policies to ensure people's rents do not go through the
:33:03. > :33:07.roof, fuel bills are frozen... Have we finished policy? Definitely not.
:33:08. > :33:11.These are past policies which resulted in these election results.
:33:12. > :33:17.They are good policies and there will be good policies in the future.
:33:18. > :33:23.Freezing the fuel bills and tackling rent? They are good policies. We
:33:24. > :33:27.need more. Anything on immigration or Europe? I think the question of
:33:28. > :33:31.ensuring that people's pay is not undercut by people coming in from
:33:32. > :33:37.Europe and elsewhere and making people feel as if they are working
:33:38. > :33:40.hard, their cost of living is slipping back. People are concerned
:33:41. > :33:45.because they feel their prospects for the future threat in an standard
:33:46. > :33:48.of living is stagnating. We have to address that was keeping England and
:33:49. > :33:54.the UK as a global, outward facing economy. We have read this morning
:33:55. > :33:59.that the Conservatives want tougher policies to penalised employers that
:34:00. > :34:03.are not paying minimum wage. That is something the Labour Party has
:34:04. > :34:07.talked about and is it something you welcome? Excuse me but just
:34:08. > :34:10.remembering that the Tories were against the minimum wage in the
:34:11. > :34:15.first place and secondly, have not been in favour of enforcing it. If
:34:16. > :34:19.they are repenting, yes, it is a good thing and it is important to
:34:20. > :34:23.have a floor under wages and have them effectively enforced, and more
:34:24. > :34:28.than that, Ed Miliband has been arguing for a living wage, which is
:34:29. > :34:33.making sure that we use the power of public policy to ensure that pay
:34:34. > :34:37.moves forward. Your own candidates have been saying over the last 12
:34:38. > :34:40.hours that Ed Miliband has been an issue on the doorstep. You are
:34:41. > :34:44.saying they are wrong and have picked up something that isn't
:34:45. > :34:48.there, or is there something there that can be sorted? With 300 new
:34:49. > :34:54.councillors, they will be baffled by the idea that we would be turning
:34:55. > :34:58.inward and criticising ourselves. And as far as the public are
:34:59. > :35:03.concerned, I was turning inwards and having self-criticism is not a good
:35:04. > :35:08.idea. -- us turning. We have to listen to their criticisms and act
:35:09. > :35:10.on them. I have designed those letters congratulating the
:35:11. > :35:17.councillors, whilst Grant Shapps will have to write and say, I am
:35:18. > :35:21.sorry you have lost your seat. All of the polling shows that Ed
:35:22. > :35:24.Miliband is less popular in the party by quite a margin and a third
:35:25. > :35:32.of Labour supporters prefer to have David Cameron try minister rather
:35:33. > :35:36.than Ed Miliband. There is something there, even if you don't want to
:35:37. > :35:40.acknowledge it. I am in favour of acknowledging everything but you
:35:41. > :35:45.can't look at every nuance of an opinion poll. Even in opposition, Ed
:35:46. > :35:48.Miliband has changed the political agenda, because the Tories and the
:35:49. > :35:52.Lib Dems did not even want to discuss the fact that there was a
:35:53. > :35:55.problem with the cost of living. They are busy saying there is a
:35:56. > :36:00.recovery and not recognising that many people feel the recovery has
:36:01. > :36:06.not come to their front door. Nothing to do with the
:36:07. > :36:11.presentational issue of the leader? Since 2010, when Ed Miliband became
:36:12. > :36:14.leader, we have had the momentum of moving forward when people are
:36:15. > :36:23.actually voting. So even before these election results, we had 1950
:36:24. > :36:26.more Labour councillors. On the basis of the results we have seen
:36:27. > :36:31.over the last few hours, you are not on course to win an overall majority
:36:32. > :36:36.at the next election, which you have two win to govern properly. I think
:36:37. > :36:40.the predictions about what these elections mean for 2015 are hard to
:36:41. > :36:45.make, because it is an unprecedented situation, with the Tories and the
:36:46. > :36:50.Lib Dems on coalition and you keep moving forward. I think easy
:36:51. > :36:53.predictions are for the birds. We know the facts, we are moving
:36:54. > :36:58.forward and Ed Miliband is in touch with people's concerns and we are
:36:59. > :37:02.putting forward those policies. I am sorry I cannot tear my hair out and
:37:03. > :37:06.agree with you that we are emerging blinking from the rubble. It might
:37:07. > :37:10.be the case for the other parties but not for us. There are concerned
:37:11. > :37:13.that we are determined to address them. Harriet Harman, I will let you
:37:14. > :37:21.write those letters. Thank you be joining us. And now to film. When
:37:22. > :37:25.they meet the media, movie stars often referred to cautious mode,
:37:26. > :37:28.steering clear of politics and avoiding controversy. That is not
:37:29. > :37:35.the style of James McAvoy, as soapy ray worth found at -- Sophie ray
:37:36. > :37:42.worth. The lead in the new X-Men movie cut his teeth in Shameless,
:37:43. > :37:47.going on to star in Atonement and the last King of Scotland. He was
:37:48. > :37:52.not afraid to speak his mind on a range of issues, from 3-D cinema,
:37:53. > :37:57.the cost of cinema tickets and the referendum, but first, he began by
:37:58. > :38:04.talking about the new X-Men film and why the characters fascinated him.
:38:05. > :38:09.The thing that makes them interesting is that they all have a
:38:10. > :38:12.really human crisis. They've got an existentialist human crisis going on
:38:13. > :38:15.which is that they are all persecuted. They are all closeted,
:38:16. > :38:18.all ghettoised, all feared for being different and if they aren't feared
:38:19. > :38:21.for being different it's because they are scared of revealing their
:38:22. > :38:25.true nature because they are worried about being persecuted. You can look
:38:26. > :38:30.around the world and see that that happens everywhere, and that makes
:38:31. > :38:34.it quite a human thing I think. And your character in particular I've
:38:35. > :38:37.got to say is one of the most interesting. All kinds of facets,
:38:38. > :38:43.all kinds of sides. Tell us about Professor X. Professor X is the most
:38:44. > :38:47.unmutant-like of all the mutants in that he is not ghettoised, and he's
:38:48. > :38:50.not conflicted and not afraid. Almost a selfless, wise, caring
:38:51. > :38:59.leader, almost kind of a priest-like person. In First Class, the original
:39:00. > :39:04.film I did, I got the opportunity to mix that up a little bit and warp
:39:05. > :39:10.that a little bit. In this movie I get to smash that persona to pieces.
:39:11. > :39:17.Dry your eyes, Eric, it doesn't justify what you've done. You've no
:39:18. > :39:21.idea what I've done. I know you took the things that mean the most to me.
:39:22. > :39:25.Maybe you should have fought harder for them. If you want to fight,
:39:26. > :39:29.Eric, I will give you a fight. You abandoned me, you took her away and
:39:30. > :39:35.you abandoned me. Mutant brothers and sisters, you abandoned us all.
:39:36. > :39:44.We were supposed to protect them. Eric!
:39:45. > :39:49.I get to show him on his knees like a wounded dog, abusing drugs,
:39:50. > :39:59.abusing alcohol, and rejecting his position as one of the benevolent
:40:00. > :40:03.leaders of a burgeoning new species. So yes, I get to mess with this
:40:04. > :40:07.audience of fans, his perception of him, these people who hold so dear
:40:08. > :40:17.and are really precious about his persona. I get to kick the front
:40:18. > :40:21.doors in of that the building and set it on fire. Tell me when you are
:40:22. > :40:25.filming what it is like, because it is a huge budget film, isn't it?
:40:26. > :40:30.$225 million. Something like that, yes. A lot of it is done with
:40:31. > :40:35.special effects. Were you filming in green screen studios? That's a
:40:36. > :40:41.little bit of it. Is it quite difficult to do that stuff? I always
:40:42. > :40:44.say I would rather be working in a green screen studio with a good
:40:45. > :40:49.script rather than working in a beautifully realised physical
:40:50. > :40:52.location that has a bad script. The thing that makes it difficult is
:40:53. > :40:57.when you are doing rubbish and it may just be the case that quite a
:40:58. > :41:00.lot of movies that utilise a lot of green screen have had rubbish
:41:01. > :41:04.scripts as well. This film is in 3D, I seem to remember with X-Men First
:41:05. > :41:07.Class you weren't very convinced by 3D and you were quite pleased it
:41:08. > :41:12.wasn't 3D. I was, because it makes it cheaper for people to go and see
:41:13. > :41:18.for a start. Am I convinced about 3D? Probably not, but I've watched a
:41:19. > :41:21.couple of movies that I thought, I was glad that was 3D, and I
:41:22. > :41:27.definitely feel that way about Days Of Future Past. Quite often I find
:41:28. > :41:31.that after the first five minutes you stop noticing it is 3D for a
:41:32. > :41:36.start. Why are they doing it? Just for money? Because it bumps the
:41:37. > :41:41.money up and bumps the DVD price up. I think it is a con a lot of the
:41:42. > :41:46.time, but not Days Of Future Past. I must ask you about the forthcoming
:41:47. > :41:56.referendum. Do you get dragged into this? I refuse point-blank, but I
:41:57. > :42:00.have got an issue with politicians. They seem to be very good at arguing
:42:01. > :42:04.and lying and I'm also part of a profession that are trained to lie,
:42:05. > :42:08.and to tell a story, win an audience over, win in 90 minutes so I always
:42:09. > :42:14.worry when politicians side with actors. -- win an argument. Even
:42:15. > :42:22.when they are not lying, they are the most untrustworthy people. I
:42:23. > :42:28.feel like the political argument is redundant. I'm not anti-political
:42:29. > :42:35.but I do feel in this case the political argument is redundant. The
:42:36. > :42:40.people we are listening to who are winning us over or not winning us
:42:41. > :42:49.over may not be there in five years, may not be there in ten years. The
:42:50. > :42:52.policies will change so we are basically listening to a political
:42:53. > :42:55.argument based on your lives will be better, the same as any political
:42:56. > :43:00.argument for any redact election. It is redundant. The people who
:43:01. > :43:05.takeover could change anything. If you want to be independent, then go
:43:06. > :43:09.for it and no matter how hard it is you will still get what you want,
:43:10. > :43:13.but if you are going into it because you think things will be better or
:43:14. > :43:16.worse, if you are voting for or against because you think it will
:43:17. > :43:21.they be better or worse, I think that is a vote that may or may not
:43:22. > :43:25.be backed up with the outcome and at the end of the day you have only
:43:26. > :43:29.done it because you want to improve the situation. Do you feel
:43:30. > :43:34.passionately about it yourself? Do you know how you will vote? I do,
:43:35. > :43:38.yes, but I won't be releasing it. I feel comfortable saying what I just
:43:39. > :43:42.said because I don't feel I am backing a party. Whatever way my
:43:43. > :43:46.country votes I will be so happy to support but, even if it goes against
:43:47. > :43:49.what I want, I hope my country votes because it is what they truly want,
:43:50. > :43:54.not because a politician is telling them things will be better. Because
:43:55. > :43:57.how many times have we heard that and how many times has that
:43:58. > :44:01.happened? Why will it be better simply because we are going to be
:44:02. > :44:06.independent? Why is it going to be right this time? If you want
:44:07. > :44:09.independence, go for it but go for it because you look yourself in the
:44:10. > :44:13.mirror and it is really important for you to be separate from the
:44:14. > :44:17.person down the road. If you want to be together, go for it but go for it
:44:18. > :44:20.because you believe in being together and the world being bigger
:44:21. > :44:23.instead of smaller. James McAvoy, thank you very much.
:44:24. > :44:27.If there is one issue which seems to have powered UKIP's success over the
:44:28. > :44:31.last few years, it is concerned about immigration and with
:44:32. > :44:34.immaculate timing on polling day itself, we got the latest
:44:35. > :44:38.immigration figures, which showed a big increase during last year,
:44:39. > :44:42.especially from eastern and southern Europe. The target of reducing net
:44:43. > :44:46.migration to tens of thousands looks an impossible dream now for the
:44:47. > :44:50.Conservatives, so what is the plan? The spotlight is on the Home
:44:51. > :44:55.Secretary, Theresa May, who joins me now. Before we turn to immigration,
:44:56. > :44:58.the UKIP effect? Would you acknowledge it has been damaging for
:44:59. > :45:06.the Conservatives and are you worried about what will be revealed
:45:07. > :45:11.over the next 12 hours? I try never to predict results so I will not
:45:12. > :45:16.comment on the European elections. Obviously on Thursday we saw UKIP
:45:17. > :45:21.taking seats, evidence showed they took votes from across the political
:45:22. > :45:26.parties, from Labour as well as the Conservatives, but if you look at
:45:27. > :45:33.what happened on Thursday I think the results are more complicated.
:45:34. > :45:37.We, as Conservatives, lost councils and councillors and there were many
:45:38. > :45:42.dedicated hard-working councillors who lost seats through no fault of
:45:43. > :45:50.their own. Also we held councils in key areas like Swindon and we took a
:45:51. > :45:55.council from the Liberal Democrats in Kingston. We lost some councils
:45:56. > :46:01.and councillors but we took one council and made gains in key
:46:02. > :46:05.areas. Some of your Conservative colleagues on the backbenches in
:46:06. > :46:09.particular feel they will lose their seats to UKIP, because we have lost
:46:10. > :46:21.activists and party members to UKIP and feel there should be leeway for
:46:22. > :46:30.local pacts with UKIP, would you allow that to happen? No, there will
:46:31. > :46:34.be no pacts with any other political party and the Conservatives. I
:46:35. > :46:38.believe in going out there and talking to people about what the
:46:39. > :46:41.Conservatives believe in and it is important we share what we will do
:46:42. > :46:47.in responding to the genuine concerns people have about a number
:46:48. > :46:53.of issues. On the issue of results, what is perhaps most interesting is
:46:54. > :46:59.that no party has actually won a general election without being the
:47:00. > :47:02.largest party in local government. Labour are not the largest party in
:47:03. > :47:06.local government now, the Conservatives are. Will you
:47:07. > :47:16.discipline and Conservative members who try to organise local pacts with
:47:17. > :47:20.UKIP? I expect Conservatives to be going out there and talking about
:47:21. > :47:31.what we believe in, what we have been doing. There will be no pacts
:47:32. > :47:34.between the Conservative party and UKIP or any other party because we
:47:35. > :47:39.recognise the concerns out there and we have a job to do. We have to
:47:40. > :47:46.persuade people who have moved away from us to come back and vote for us
:47:47. > :47:51.again. I recognise the genuine concerns people have, and we see
:47:52. > :47:57.that our economic plan is working, the economy is turning round but
:47:58. > :48:01.that has not perhaps fed through to everybody. They are concerned about
:48:02. > :48:07.issues like immigration and welfare. Which I would like to come onto
:48:08. > :48:15.right now. Do you accept the figures of 212,000 net immigration? The
:48:16. > :48:19.Office for National Statistics is an independent body and they produce
:48:20. > :48:24.these figures, and I accept the figures they produce. We have seen
:48:25. > :48:29.an upturn in immigration from the European Union but crucially,
:48:30. > :48:35.overall, since we came to power there are over 70,000 fewer people
:48:36. > :48:40.immigrated into the UK last year then did four years ago when we came
:48:41. > :48:43.into government. You are still 1 million miles away from the promise
:48:44. > :48:57.of tens of thousands that David Cameron said. He said that, and now
:48:58. > :49:02.it is over 200,000. I put it to you that you get rid of that promise, I
:49:03. > :49:07.don't see how you still could possibly do so? You are right, it
:49:08. > :49:11.has become more difficult and net migration is too high, that's why we
:49:12. > :49:16.want to continue working to bring it down. What we see is that in those
:49:17. > :49:20.areas that we can control, immigration from outside the
:49:21. > :49:24.European Union, everything we have done in government has been having
:49:25. > :49:29.an impact. We can see that net migration from outside the European
:49:30. > :49:35.Union is down to its lowest levels since the 1990s. Apart from that, it
:49:36. > :49:42.is very different. Is that promise down to tens of thousands now
:49:43. > :49:47.redundant? No, as I say, I have still got that target. It is a
:49:48. > :49:54.target, not a pledge? It has always been a target to drive towards that.
:49:55. > :49:59.Not a pledge, not a promise? It is a target that we have, to reduce net
:50:00. > :50:10.migration to the tens of thousands. We are seeing an impact in what we
:50:11. > :50:12.are doing, where we can control immigration from outside the
:50:13. > :50:15.European Union. As I say, net migration from outside the EU is
:50:16. > :50:21.down to its lowest levels since the 1990s. From inside the EU, we are
:50:22. > :50:25.doing what we can to affect that as well. It has been reported this
:50:26. > :50:29.morning there are range of things you are now looking at, including
:50:30. > :50:33.deporting people who have been in the country for six months and
:50:34. > :50:38.cannot get a job back to their own country, are you looking at that? We
:50:39. > :50:43.have been looking at various measures and we will continue to do
:50:44. > :50:48.so. We are looking at what happens... Yes, what happens to
:50:49. > :50:52.people when they have no longer exercising their treaty rights in
:50:53. > :50:57.the UK. We have already made a change in this area. Would you have
:50:58. > :51:04.to change the law in order to deport people who have come here and cannot
:51:05. > :51:11.all have not got a job? We are looking at a range of measures and
:51:12. > :51:15.in some areas there are ways you can do it without changing the rules,
:51:16. > :51:21.some may require a change in legislation, but we now have new
:51:22. > :51:26.legislation to toughen up our ability to deal with people who are
:51:27. > :51:29.here illegally. We can make it harder for people who are here
:51:30. > :51:35.illegally to access the things they need like a driving licence and bank
:51:36. > :51:39.accounts. We are tightening up the appeals process so there are fewer
:51:40. > :51:41.routes for people to play the system. What about the amount of
:51:42. > :51:48.time people can claim benefits for? system. What about the amount of
:51:49. > :51:50.One of the crucial changes we made this year for
:51:51. > :51:52.One of the crucial changes we made the European Union into
:51:53. > :51:55.One of the crucial changes we made that we said they cannot just come
:51:56. > :52:01.here and claim benefits straightaway, they have to wait
:52:02. > :52:06.three months to do that. Do you want to extend that now? We will look at
:52:07. > :52:11.that timing and see if it is right to make it six months overall. We
:52:12. > :52:15.haven't yet got agreement over the Coalition to do that but these are
:52:16. > :52:19.the sort of measures we are looking at. What about cracking down on
:52:20. > :52:25.employers who are not paying the minimum wage and therefore bringing
:52:26. > :52:30.on people who are undercutting British workers' pay? We are going
:52:31. > :52:34.to raise the fine and that is an important signal we are giving, that
:52:35. > :52:38.we are determined to take the measures that will make a
:52:39. > :52:43.difference. We are going to see a new package of measures that will
:52:44. > :52:51.include that, will include possible deportation and will include
:52:52. > :52:58.cracking down on so-called welfare benefits? We have a number of
:52:59. > :53:05.measures we are looking at, it is no surprise to anybody that there have
:53:06. > :53:11.been some long-standing, possibly heated discussions + among the
:53:12. > :53:15.Coalition on some issues of immigration. What matters to people
:53:16. > :53:19.is that where we have been able to control immigration, we are seeing
:53:20. > :53:23.an impact in the figures. What also matters is that we recognise we need
:53:24. > :53:29.to do something about European migration. Just look at the issue of
:53:30. > :53:33.free movement. Four years ago in Europe's people were not talking
:53:34. > :53:36.about the abuse of free movement. From the beginning I have been
:53:37. > :53:40.saying we need to deal with this, now we have a whole list of
:53:41. > :53:46.countries saying that this is an issue. But you need treaty changes
:53:47. > :53:50.to get that, don't you? There are measures that can be taken outside
:53:51. > :53:55.of treaty changes, but we need to look at what happens when countries
:53:56. > :53:58.come into the European Union and possibly not allow full free
:53:59. > :54:02.movement right until their economy has reached a certain level, but we
:54:03. > :54:07.are the only party that has the policy that ensures we can do the
:54:08. > :54:12.renegotiation that can put that into practice. You pressed very hard to
:54:13. > :54:17.get Abu Hamza extradited to the US, but why is it that it was possible
:54:18. > :54:21.to convict him of terrorist offences in New York based on British
:54:22. > :54:27.evidence, but it wasn't possible for our authorities to do that? Is there
:54:28. > :54:33.something wrong with our system? Abu Hamza is in the right place, behind
:54:34. > :54:42.bars, he is a dangerous man and it is right he is brought to justice.
:54:43. > :54:46.He did face charges in the UK, the decision to bring terrorism charges
:54:47. > :54:52.was a decision for the independent Crown Prosecution Service. That is
:54:53. > :54:57.where the decisions are taken in the UK, but I was clear that I needed to
:54:58. > :55:02.work hard to ensure that he could be extradited, that's what I did, we
:55:03. > :55:05.saw him on the plane, now we have seen him brought to justice and we
:55:06. > :55:10.wait for the sentencing but I suspect he will find himself behind
:55:11. > :55:14.bars for some time. There is no vacancy, but one day there will be,
:55:15. > :55:20.and you are now the number one favourite to take over on David
:55:21. > :55:24.Cameron in due course. How does that make you feel? There is no question
:55:25. > :55:34.about leadership in the Conservative party. The only question there is,
:55:35. > :55:39.is who is going to lead the country after the next general election. No
:55:40. > :55:46.arm wrestling with George Osborne, or heaven forbid Boris Johnson? No,
:55:47. > :55:52.we are all getting on with the job of getting across the message that
:55:53. > :55:56.it is our long-term plan as Conservatives that is turning the
:55:57. > :56:00.economy around and people should not be throwing that away. Thank you.
:56:01. > :56:05.The news headlines. The Home Secretary has told this pogrom the
:56:06. > :56:08.Conservatives still have the aim of reducing net migration to the tens
:56:09. > :56:13.of thousands, despite official figures showing net migration last
:56:14. > :56:16.year was more than 200,000. Theresa May said the Government was
:56:17. > :56:22.succeeding in the areas it could control and was looking to new
:56:23. > :56:26.measures to reduce immigration from within the EU.
:56:27. > :56:30.The president of the Liberal Democrats has called on colleagues
:56:31. > :56:35.to stand proudly behind Nick Clegg's leadership. Tim Farron was
:56:36. > :56:40.responding to calls from two MPs for a thorough review of the Lib Dem
:56:41. > :56:46.strategy. He said he understood why many party members felt bruised, but
:56:47. > :56:51.he said it would be foolish to turn in on ourselves. Labour's Harriet
:56:52. > :56:55.Harman has also defended her party leaders saying Ed Miliband was in
:56:56. > :57:00.touch with people 's concerns and Labour would develop more policies
:57:01. > :57:05.to address them. We will get back to Andrew the moment but first here is
:57:06. > :57:10.a little look at what is, not after this programme.
:57:11. > :57:17.Join us live at ten o'clock when we will be debated in the right to be
:57:18. > :57:28.forgotten, where -- whether there is a clash between being Christian and
:57:29. > :57:32.a member of UKIP. Is there still a problem of macho
:57:33. > :57:36.culture in the House of Commons generally because neither of your
:57:37. > :57:41.parties have as many women in the top seats as you would presumably
:57:42. > :57:45.hope for? There are still more to be done in terms of getting women into
:57:46. > :57:48.politics and the House of Commons and it is certainly the case this is
:57:49. > :57:54.not something that you just make one step. As the Conservative party, we
:57:55. > :58:00.have made a key increase in the number of women in parliament but
:58:01. > :58:06.you have to keep your foot on the accelerator. You cannot say at any
:58:07. > :58:12.stage that is it and we can go away. This is not actually what British
:58:13. > :58:18.politics looks like. We are highly unrepresentative, the two of us
:58:19. > :58:21.sitting here. We have made massive strides but men still outnumber
:58:22. > :58:27.women in British politics, although we have come a long way. Can I just
:58:28. > :58:30.say that I think it matters because we have been talking about the
:58:31. > :58:35.disconnection between people and politics, and a lot of women who are
:58:36. > :58:40.trying to go to work, bring up the kids, look after elderly relatives,
:58:41. > :58:45.if they see that politics is overwhelmingly dominated by men,
:58:46. > :58:50.they say, it has got nothing to do with my life. It is crucial we see a
:58:51. > :58:56.diversity of people in the House of Commons and that it is showing the
:58:57. > :59:02.people they see day in, day out. Thank you, that is all we have time
:59:03. > :59:07.for today. Next week I will be talking to a senior UKIP figure and
:59:08. > :59:45.there will be alive- in the studio, Terry Gilliam. -- a live python.
:59:46. > :59:48.Death hath ten thousand several doors