:00:38. > :00:40.After a week which has been pretty tough for the Labour leader
:00:41. > :00:43.Ed Miliband, at last, an Opposition policy which seems genuinely popular
:00:44. > :00:47.Under Labour, every adult in the UK would get a free owl.
:00:48. > :00:52.The more you think about it, the more sense it makes.
:00:53. > :00:55.There has been a scandalous suggestion that the owls for all
:00:56. > :00:59.policy is a hoax, a practical joke, caused by an internet hacker.
:01:00. > :01:02.I, for one, don't believe it - do you?
:01:03. > :01:05.Reviewing the papers with me today, my own two wise owls,
:01:06. > :01:08.Isabel Hardman, assistant editor of the Spectator and the BBC Security
:01:09. > :01:15.If there's one thing President Obama and David Cameron have decided
:01:16. > :01:24.We may be days away from the fall of Baghdad and though nobody wants
:01:25. > :01:28.to be sucked in to a bloody civil war, this is the biggest potential
:01:29. > :01:30.threat facing the world at the moment and according to this
:01:31. > :01:37.I'll be talking to the former Defence Secretary Liam Fox about it,
:01:38. > :01:41.and I'm sure about David Cameron's problems in Europe too.
:01:42. > :01:46.Ed Miliband once said it's a good idea not to read the
:01:47. > :01:51.He's had an awful press over the past few days and weeks.
:01:52. > :01:57.I'll be asking Chuka Umunna, the Shadow Business Secretary,
:01:58. > :02:00.and one of Mr Miliband's earliest and most fervent supporters.
:02:01. > :02:02.We'll hear some forthright views on Europe, Russia,
:02:03. > :02:05.the Ukraine and how we should treat Polish migrants here, from Poland's
:02:06. > :02:12.Talking of forthright, the redoubtable Baroness Trumpington
:02:13. > :02:20.explains how she got away with straight-talking to Mrs Thatcher.
:02:21. > :02:35.I didn't give a dam. If I decided I had to be true to myself, and if it
:02:36. > :02:41.wasn't like, too bad. -- wasn't liked.
:02:42. > :02:43.And finally, the violinist Nicola Benedetti -
:02:44. > :02:46.going back to her Scottish musical roots - performs for us live.
:02:47. > :02:48.But first, the news, from Naga Munchetty.
:02:49. > :02:50.There's a warning that the conflicts in the Middle-East
:02:51. > :02:52.will have long-term effects on security in Britain.
:02:53. > :02:55.The head of Counter Terrorism at the Metropolitan Police says
:02:56. > :02:57.young British Muslims who have fought in Syria may return and
:02:58. > :03:00.It comes as the Sunni extremist group ISIS
:03:01. > :03:06.Leading figures in Baghdad have warned that the country's army is
:03:07. > :03:13.struggling to repel the attacks as Simon Clemison reports.
:03:14. > :03:20.He is one Briton to travel out to Syria, but one among many. This man
:03:21. > :03:24.ended up in a video where a group of men talk about going to fight in
:03:25. > :03:28.Iraq in an apparent attempt to encourage other Western Muslims to
:03:29. > :03:32.join a holy war. But he did not leave the UK alone. It's been
:03:33. > :03:36.revealed that he went with two other men, also from Cardiff. The pair
:03:37. > :03:40.returned home but were arrested on suspicion of receiving terrorist
:03:41. > :03:45.training. They were later released without charge. Police believe about
:03:46. > :03:49.500 British people have gone out to the two countries. The departing
:03:50. > :03:52.head of counterterrorism at the Metropolitan Police has told the BBC
:03:53. > :03:57.that they need to be alert to the possibility some might return to
:03:58. > :04:01.commit acts of violence here. I am afraid that I believe that we will
:04:02. > :04:05.be living with the consequences of Syria, from a terrorist point of
:04:06. > :04:12.view, let alone the world geopolitical consequences, the many,
:04:13. > :04:16.many years to come. -- for many years to come. None of the men are
:04:17. > :04:20.Nvidia referred to bringing the fight home, but Downing Street says
:04:21. > :04:24.there have been 65 arrests related to Syria in the last 18 months. In
:04:25. > :04:31.Iraq itself, there have been a series of mass rallies, called for
:04:32. > :04:35.by a Shi'ite cleric in a show of force against the insurgent group,
:04:36. > :04:42.ISIS. But Sunni militants have seized a border crossing which could
:04:43. > :04:45.help ISIS seize weapons and other equipment to Iraq. Another two towns
:04:46. > :04:48.are said to have fallen, and there are serious concerns about the
:04:49. > :04:51.ability of the army to resist the advance.
:04:52. > :04:53.And earlier, the BBC's World Affairs Editor, John Simpson,
:04:54. > :04:56.said he had been speaking to Western diplomats and senior members of the
:04:57. > :05:04.Iraqi government who told him the situation in the country is bleak.
:05:05. > :05:10.The Americans have been warning about ISIS for probably around 18
:05:11. > :05:15.months, and they saw the rise of the movement. But it's only in the last
:05:16. > :05:22.two weeks, 14 days, that they have been using surveillance techniques
:05:23. > :05:28.either from drones or satellites or planes or whatever to watch what is
:05:29. > :05:32.happening with ISIS. It's quite extraordinary that it is such a
:05:33. > :05:35.short space of time that they have been watching them. There are other
:05:36. > :05:41.things that are really quite disturbing as well. The Iraqis have
:05:42. > :05:51.been given hellfire missiles by the Americans, which they use planes to
:05:52. > :05:54.fire, but the Hellfire missiles also ran out two weeks ago and the
:05:55. > :05:59.Americans don't seem to be in any hurry to replace them. Not only
:06:00. > :06:03.that, but all sorts of other important equipment which the
:06:04. > :06:08.Americans have promised hasn't yet been delivered. Now that is partly
:06:09. > :06:18.because the training takes a long time, but it is quite disturbing
:06:19. > :06:19.that the Iraqis won't get sophisticated fighter jets September
:06:20. > :06:22.at the earliest. David Cameron will call
:06:23. > :06:24.for a vote among EU leaders on who should be the next leader
:06:25. > :06:27.of the European Commission. The move has been described
:06:28. > :06:29.as "unprecedented". It comes as nine left-wing leaders
:06:30. > :06:32.from across the EU have agreed to back the former Prime Minister
:06:33. > :06:37.of Luxembourg Jean-Claude Juncker. is too much of a Brussels insider to
:06:38. > :06:42.push through reform. Police in Essex say they cannot rule
:06:43. > :06:44.out a possible link On Tuesday, Nahid Almanea was
:06:45. > :06:49.found near a nature reserve with 16 stab wounds, while James Attfield
:06:50. > :06:52.died after he was stabbed more than Extra patrols have been scheduled
:06:53. > :07:00.in the area, while officers from seven different forces have
:07:01. > :07:04.been drafted in to help. I'll be back with
:07:05. > :07:21.the headlines just before 10:00am. Most newspaper editors have decided
:07:22. > :07:25.that the threat of jihadist is coming back to the the main story.
:07:26. > :07:29.MI6 are saying that 300 fighters from Syria are already back. The
:07:30. > :07:35.Mail on Sunday talks about a schoolboy jihadist, before and after
:07:36. > :07:39.pictures. Similar to the Sunday Telegraph. Two brilliant brothers
:07:40. > :07:44.who left a British suburb for jihad. The Sunday Times has done in a
:07:45. > :07:47.different direction, talking about business bosses attacking the Prime
:07:48. > :07:52.Minister for his failure to curb EU measures that they say will threaten
:07:53. > :07:56.competition in this country. And a Wimbledon picture, World Cup fading,
:07:57. > :08:01.Wimbledon coming. I have just dropped Scotland on Sunday on the
:08:02. > :08:05.floor, incompetently, and there is a story about yes campaign is getting
:08:06. > :08:07.rid of the Queen. There will be a new constitution after the yes vote
:08:08. > :08:11.and they think Scotland should become a republic. We will talk
:08:12. > :08:16.about that and the other stories later with Isabel Hardman and Frank
:08:17. > :08:20.Gardner. Frank, starting with you, and Iraq. You have chosen the
:08:21. > :08:26.Observer newspaper. There is a big spread here, which has rebranded
:08:27. > :08:32.Shia insurgents gaining the whip hand in Baghdad. These are the
:08:33. > :08:36.people who are going to save Baghdad if ISIS, this big and powerful
:08:37. > :08:41.insurgency, decides to take on the capital. The Iraqi army, frankly, is
:08:42. > :08:46.not up to the job. They melted away in practically all of the places
:08:47. > :08:49.where ISIS had been taking ground, but this is why everyone is worried
:08:50. > :08:55.about it being a sectarian, Sunni versus Shia Muslim thing. These
:08:56. > :09:00.people are much more motivated than the mainstream Iraqi army. A hard
:09:01. > :09:04.question to answer, but is the Shia militia able to take on ISIS? Lots
:09:05. > :09:11.of pictures of small kids holding guns bigger than they are. It all
:09:12. > :09:17.depends where ISIS decided take them on. If they attack the big Shia
:09:18. > :09:24.shrines in Samarra, Baghdad, these are holy sites. They are holy not
:09:25. > :09:29.just do Iraqi shears, but to Iranians, Lebanese, Saudis who are
:09:30. > :09:34.Shia Muslim. If they decide to take them on, the Shia militia will fight
:09:35. > :09:41.until the death, and some of these people are fanatical. The cleric,
:09:42. > :09:44.his people bought the British Army to a standstill in the south of
:09:45. > :09:50.Iraq, and some would even say that they won. So they are pretty
:09:51. > :09:56.hard-core. There is another Shia militia, the ones who kidnapped the
:09:57. > :09:59.five British people, the bodyguard and Peter Moore, killing four out of
:10:00. > :10:04.five of them. They are pretty fanatic. They are considered to be
:10:05. > :10:10.heretics by, so if you put the forces together... It's like the
:10:11. > :10:13.civil war in Europe at the time of the Reformation. Exactly. That is
:10:14. > :10:20.the worry in the middle east. That this will balloon beyond Iraq and
:10:21. > :10:23.Syria. You get Saudi Arabia coming in, and Iran on the Shia Muslim
:10:24. > :10:27.side, and then the countries are toe to toe. To some extent that has
:10:28. > :10:32.happened already in Syria where Saudi Arabia has ineffectually been
:10:33. > :10:37.supporting the Sunni rebel groups. The Iranians have very effectively
:10:38. > :10:42.used Hezbollah. The big question is, will this bounce back to the UK?
:10:43. > :10:46.What are we going to do about it? Isabel, you have chosen a story
:10:47. > :10:49.about the Cabinet agonising over it. This is the second page of the
:10:50. > :10:55.Sunday Times with the Cabinet split over military action. It's a split
:10:56. > :11:00.between the Hawks, George Osborne, Sajid Javid, Michael Gove, who think
:11:01. > :11:06.we should be involved. Then the dogs like Kenneth Clarke and Andrew
:11:07. > :11:09.Lansley -- the dogs. There is an unnamed hawkish minister who say
:11:10. > :11:13.that if American planes take off they might use British sovereign
:11:14. > :11:16.bases and that there is a British engineer or pilot or navigator as
:11:17. > :11:19.part of the team even if they are not taking offensive action. The
:11:20. > :11:25.point is we will be involved to a certain extent anyway, it is how
:11:26. > :11:30.robust we are. It is busy Mobley British bases in Cyprus. --
:11:31. > :11:36.presumably British bases. Also Fairfield in Gloucestershire, that's
:11:37. > :11:39.a potential staging base. The point here is, although the British
:11:40. > :11:43.government have said they won't get involved militarily in Iraq, we are
:11:44. > :11:47.fooling ourselves if we are going to be immune from a backlash. The West
:11:48. > :11:53.is seen as being all part of one thing by the jihadist groups. We are
:11:54. > :11:59.all dirty non-believers, and we are all going to get it, if we are seen
:12:00. > :12:06.as taking sides as competence. The front page of the Sunday Telegraph
:12:07. > :12:10.talking about the jihad, but how serious a threat is it now? Nothing
:12:11. > :12:15.has changed on the ground in terms of the threat in the last two
:12:16. > :12:19.weeks. What has changed is the psychological war, with the videos
:12:20. > :12:22.coming out, the revelations of these people going out there, but this was
:12:23. > :12:26.happening anyway. The numbers haven't changed. The numbers are
:12:27. > :12:31.tiny percentage terms. There are over 1 billion Muslims in the world
:12:32. > :12:38.and the vast majority, 99% and more, they want nothing more to do with
:12:39. > :12:42.ISIS. They see it as alien and as much of a threat to them as anyone
:12:43. > :12:47.else, but in absolute terms, because of the Iraq and Syria situation is
:12:48. > :12:53.so dynamic, so violent and continuing, the number of the
:12:54. > :13:02.jihadist groups, making their way out is growing. The Observer, no,
:13:03. > :13:05.the Sunday Telegraph there. I wanted to point this out in the Sunday
:13:06. > :13:11.Telegraph, and it shows the route that people take in the case of the
:13:12. > :13:14.Cardiff people from the video, going out to Istanbul, cheap flight to
:13:15. > :13:21.Istanbul, then making their way overland to the Syrian border. Most
:13:22. > :13:26.people go via Turkey. It's incredibly easy. This is very easy
:13:27. > :13:32.jihad. These very -- videos have a wide appeal. They put them on
:13:33. > :13:35.Twitter, other social media. A lot of really bored and in adequate
:13:36. > :13:39.people enticed by this type of thing, but that's the truth of
:13:40. > :13:45.Western society will stop its a bit more serious than that. The sort of
:13:46. > :13:48.people they get taken by this are often alienated from their families
:13:49. > :13:56.who are very often quite pious Muslim families, but don't share the
:13:57. > :14:01.younger generation's resentment of Western society, so they get drawn
:14:02. > :14:05.into this and go down this pipeline. What also worries ministers is how
:14:06. > :14:09.low down the agenda Iraq was in meetings until very recently, and
:14:10. > :14:12.the fact that we seem to have lost track of one in four who have
:14:13. > :14:16.travelled to Syria, so we have no idea if they are going to come back
:14:17. > :14:19.and when. That is an alarming thought. I want to move on to the
:14:20. > :14:24.other big political story, which is Ed Miliband's problems. Lots of
:14:25. > :14:32.coverage in the press today, the most disobliging all is the on
:14:33. > :14:36.Sunday. This is a fabulous piece called inside red Ed's head. This is
:14:37. > :14:40.what you get if you pose with the Sun newspaper and then apologise.
:14:41. > :14:42.I'm still not quite sure what he thought the benefit was. But
:14:43. > :14:47.whatever Benedict he thought was in it -- benefit he thought was in it
:14:48. > :14:51.was mishandled and he's infuriated the Sun newspaper. The infuriated
:14:52. > :14:57.the people of Liverpool and now the editor of the Sun. It basically
:14:58. > :15:01.lists all of the problems he has had recently. This is a sort of fun
:15:02. > :15:04.attack on him, but it voices the attacks from inside the Shadow
:15:05. > :15:08.Cabinet from inside his party on the leader as well, that he is weird and
:15:09. > :15:13.does not have a strategy and is not human. A more substantial attack on
:15:14. > :15:23.the Sunday Times. Not properly reflected by the headline. A more
:15:24. > :15:28.nuanced piece. What I think is really interesting is that this
:15:29. > :15:30.paints a picture of disorganisation and too many strategies,
:15:31. > :15:38.paints a picture of disorganisation recipes trying to make one broth.
:15:39. > :15:38.paints a picture of disorganisation next year so some think Ed
:15:39. > :15:42.paints a picture of disorganisation next year so some Miliband cannot
:15:43. > :15:46.get a majority so they are aiming for largest party next year.
:15:47. > :15:52.Although Ed Miliband himself is unpopular, the Labour Party is still
:15:53. > :15:57.on course to win a majority if you believe the polls so this is still a
:15:58. > :16:01.successful opposition leader if you believe the polls. Yes, but his
:16:02. > :16:06.personal ratings are incredibly bad for somebody who wants to win next
:16:07. > :16:11.year. There is always the fear voters will look at him and try to
:16:12. > :16:15.imagine him as Prime Minister in the next few months, when that is a real
:16:16. > :16:17.question, and they cannot imagine it and start to move away from the
:16:18. > :16:22.party in general. Frank, and start to move away from the
:16:23. > :16:25.Cup, there are lots of and start to move away from the
:16:26. > :16:32.England with tattered English flags. It has been few grim days. The
:16:33. > :16:38.saddest sight on the streets of London as the flags still
:16:39. > :16:43.fluttering. We all had so much excitement. I am not a massive
:16:44. > :16:47.football fan but I shared in the excitement of this, there are so
:16:48. > :16:55.many matches and you start making dates in the diary. The article says
:16:56. > :17:03.that the economy will suffer to the tune of ?300 million. That is a lot
:17:04. > :17:07.of beer not being drunk. And a lot of barbecue sausages that will not
:17:08. > :17:13.get cooked as a result of it. Who devised that figure? I think
:17:14. > :17:17.somebody very bored sitting in their bedroom! The other big story around
:17:18. > :17:22.at the moment is David Cameron's struggle with the rest of the EU
:17:23. > :17:27.against Juncker taking it over. Everybody seems to agree this is the
:17:28. > :17:33.right fight to have but everybody also agrees that he will lose it. He
:17:34. > :17:37.has decided to make this fight about continuing the fight rather than
:17:38. > :17:42.winning it. He has said that he will hang onto this to the bitter end,
:17:43. > :17:45.and it has been interesting as a political journalist charting that
:17:46. > :17:51.language. I was speaking to government sources recently who were
:17:52. > :17:55.very confident they were going to block Juncker, but now it is David
:17:56. > :18:00.Cameron standing up and making the right argument even if no one
:18:01. > :18:05.listens. It will be given some consolation prize, presumably. That
:18:06. > :18:10.is what he hopes, and that is the way that John Major said the EU
:18:11. > :18:15.works. On that cheerful note, thank you, and now we move on to the
:18:16. > :18:18.weather forecast. Yesterday was a fine day for much of the UK, let's
:18:19. > :18:21.get the prospects for fine day for much of the UK, let's
:18:22. > :18:26.get the prospects for today and the start of Wimbledon tomorrow. Another
:18:27. > :18:31.fine day to come foremost today, yes it might be slightly shorter but if
:18:32. > :18:37.anything slightly warmer as well. Most of us will continue to see
:18:38. > :18:42.spells of sunshine, there are always some exceptions. Some cloud across
:18:43. > :18:47.eastern England is melting away, but this cloud across Scotland is more
:18:48. > :18:51.stubborn, and providing outbreaks of rain. Cloudy at times across
:18:52. > :18:55.southern Scotland, Northern Ireland. The small chance of some showers
:18:56. > :19:00.here, but across England and Wales cloud will bubble up at the
:19:01. > :19:10.temperatures will jump up when the sun is out. It will be cooler around
:19:11. > :19:16.the coasts and cooler with the rain in the north-west, which persists
:19:17. > :19:22.overnight. It is a damp night for Scotland, elsewhere a dry night. A
:19:23. > :19:25.dry start of the working week. The increasing risk of some showers
:19:26. > :19:31.across eastern parts of England and Scotland but it will still be warm.
:19:32. > :19:34.As we go through the week ahead, we start off with sunny spells but
:19:35. > :19:39.there is an increasing risk of seeing some of those showers
:19:40. > :19:41.breaking out, so we may need the roof at Wimbledon, particularly by
:19:42. > :19:56.the end of the first week. Poland's urbane and anglophile
:19:57. > :19:58.foreign minister, Radek Sikorski has been visiting Britain.
:19:59. > :20:00.He's a contemporary of Boris Johnson and David Cameron at Oxford
:20:01. > :20:02.university, and a one-time euro-sceptic.
:20:03. > :20:05.But he's changed his mind, and is not a supporter of Mr Cameron's bid
:20:06. > :20:07.to stop the federalist Jean-Claude Juncker from becoming President
:20:08. > :20:08.of the European Commission. Mr Sikorski told me why.
:20:09. > :20:16.The main parties in the European Parliament announced in advance who
:20:17. > :20:22.their candidates would be, and Mr Juncker is the candidate of the
:20:23. > :20:27.party that won the election so here's having the first chance to
:20:28. > :20:31.form a winning team and a winning coalition. That seems to me to be
:20:32. > :20:38.the more democratic procedure and it is just unfortunate that Britain
:20:39. > :20:41.does not have a representation in Europe's ruling party. David Cameron
:20:42. > :20:46.would argue that he does not have what it takes to drive the reform in
:20:47. > :20:52.Europe that is urgently necessary. I would say that if the Tories were
:20:53. > :21:00.part of the European People's party, he could have made that argument at
:21:01. > :21:06.the Dublin summit when EPB chose their candidate and he may have
:21:07. > :21:12.prevailed, but he made his choice. So it was at least a mistake not to
:21:13. > :21:17.be in the European People's Party from your point of view? I wouldn't
:21:18. > :21:23.dream of commenting but the rules are that the largest party gets the
:21:24. > :21:28.top job. Does this mean that David Cameron's request for greater reform
:21:29. > :21:34.in the European Union is doomed, do you think? I think Britain can gain
:21:35. > :21:37.a lot of support and allies on the continent for sensible British
:21:38. > :21:49.proposals to allow nation states the decision-making power, would call it
:21:50. > :21:54.the subsidiary are two principal, and then do together the things that
:21:55. > :22:00.we gained by working together, on energy and I would argue on defence.
:22:01. > :22:08.On the question of reform, I guess the biggest question at the moment
:22:09. > :22:16.is about the free movement of people. The first great movement of
:22:17. > :22:23.people into this country were Polish, do you understand the fear
:22:24. > :22:30.that free movement of people across Europe has engendered in many people
:22:31. > :22:33.in Britain and other countries too of course? I understand that Polish
:22:34. > :22:39.is now the second language of the British Isles and up to 10% of
:22:40. > :22:45.children at British schools are Polish. Let me put it like this, I
:22:46. > :22:51.was an immigrant into this country a while ago, I went back. We are
:22:52. > :22:57.hoping that Polish people will also gain experience, learn English, gain
:22:58. > :23:02.some capital both cultural and financial, and return home. We are
:23:03. > :23:08.encouraging them to return. Coming back to your earlier point, we have
:23:09. > :23:12.no problem with Britain making its social security system less
:23:13. > :23:17.generous. For example on the continent, in particular in Poland,
:23:18. > :23:21.we wouldn't pay you benefits or housing benefit from day one. You
:23:22. > :23:26.would have two earned that right and it would take you some months. You
:23:27. > :23:33.are changing your social security system to be more continental and
:23:34. > :23:37.the European Union is not interfering in that. As long as you
:23:38. > :23:42.make it non-discriminatory, we will not criticise you. One of the
:23:43. > :23:46.statistics that was thrown at me before this interview was that in
:23:47. > :23:53.terms of remittances back of welfare payments, polls send more back to
:23:54. > :23:57.Poland than any other group put together. Do you understand why
:23:58. > :24:03.British taxpayers may think this is a strange way to spend their welfare
:24:04. > :24:07.bills? No, they pay in taxes something like 35% more than they
:24:08. > :24:12.receive in benefits but it is true that recent immigrants tend to keep
:24:13. > :24:17.strong links with their mother country and send remittances abroad
:24:18. > :24:23.but this is their earned taxed income, not benefits. Welfare
:24:24. > :24:28.tourism is a figment of some politicians' imagination. You
:24:29. > :24:34.mentioned defence, because the old days when you look to America should
:24:35. > :24:40.go now, Europe needs to defend herself? We have the largest economy
:24:41. > :24:46.on earth and we cannot count on the generosity of the United States to
:24:47. > :24:51.fix our security problems for us. We have to draw lessons from the
:24:52. > :24:57.debacle of the wars in the 1990s and we now have a whole arc of
:24:58. > :25:07.instability around us, Libya, Egypt, Syria, and the Ukraine. Do you see a
:25:08. > :25:12.European army with a big British component looking ahead? We have
:25:13. > :25:16.been told in no uncertain terms that Britain will never fight under the
:25:17. > :25:21.EU flag but there will be conflicts on which the United States takes a
:25:22. > :25:27.pass. Because of conflicts in the Middle East. Then sometimes we will
:25:28. > :25:33.need to act as Europeans and we should be capable of doing so. The
:25:34. > :25:39.concept of EU battle groups was a British concept and I think it
:25:40. > :25:43.should be deployed. Poland shares a border with Russia and Ukraine, too
:25:44. > :25:48.many people it seemed as if there is now Civil War opening in the
:25:49. > :25:54.Ukraine. How seriously do you regard what is going on there and what is
:25:55. > :25:58.the mood in Poland so close to it all? There is some version with
:25:59. > :26:07.elements of regional separatism but it is very much fat from outside.
:26:08. > :26:12.There is heavy weaponry, multiple rocket launchers, tanks,
:26:13. > :26:15.anti-aircraft missiles coming across the border that you
:26:16. > :26:18.anti-aircraft missiles coming across the shop. What do you think Vladimir
:26:19. > :26:27.Putin is up to? Mr Putin is the shop. What do you think Vladimir
:26:28. > :26:34.his union and he would like Ukraine in it. If he cannot get all of
:26:35. > :26:38.Ukraine in it, he is trying to get parts of Ukraine in it,
:26:39. > :26:41.Ukraine in it, he is trying to get is a sovereign state. If Russia
:26:42. > :26:43.Ukraine in it, he is trying to get pushing back to the old USSR
:26:44. > :26:48.boundaries, do you fear for other boundaries, do you fear for other
:26:49. > :26:53.parts of what was the Soviet bloc? The Baltic states for instance and
:26:54. > :26:58.even parts of Poland? They fear for it, and they are members of NATO and
:26:59. > :27:02.we should make sure the security guarantees that have been extended
:27:03. > :27:11.are credible because if they failed once, NATO itself would be... Its
:27:12. > :27:20.credibility would be endangered so I think it is high time to correct the
:27:21. > :27:27.last 15 years' negligence. We all thought Russia was a partner, but if
:27:28. > :27:31.history thought Russia was a partner, but if
:27:32. > :27:41.competitor, we have to draw the conclusions. It needs to be amended.
:27:42. > :27:46.Thank you for joining us. Radek Sikorski there.
:27:47. > :27:49.Mr Sikorski told me why. Ed Miliband has been on the front
:27:50. > :27:51.pages for all the wrong reasons lately - underwhelming election
:27:52. > :27:54.results, poor opinion polls, anonymous quotes from colleagues
:27:55. > :27:55.questioning whether he can win the general election,
:27:56. > :27:58.questioning whether he can win the leaves the stage if he doesn't.
:27:59. > :28:01.And on top of what's been called the Ed problem, those polls also suggest
:28:02. > :28:04.that the Tories are more trusted to run the economy than Labour.
:28:05. > :28:06.So what's to be done? Chuka Umunna is Shadow Business
:28:07. > :28:07.Secretary and one of Ed Miliband's staunchest supporters.
:28:08. > :28:20.Good morning. Firstly, I want my owl. I hope
:28:21. > :28:25.you're not going to do a U-turn on that. I don't know where people get
:28:26. > :28:32.these ideas from. If you are going to hack an account, do something
:28:33. > :28:36.better than an owl. Anyway, the IMF and everyone else has praised the
:28:37. > :28:41.British economy now, the fastest growing and unemployment is falling
:28:42. > :28:45.fast, as the Labour Party going to carry on saying everything is
:28:46. > :28:50.terrible or are you going to change your tune on the economy? We are not
:28:51. > :28:55.saying everything is terrible but we are saying more people get to share
:28:56. > :29:00.in the recovery as it settles in and we know that not just between
:29:01. > :29:05.regions, say London and other parts of the economy, but within regions
:29:06. > :29:11.too there are far too many people not sharing that. I look at my own
:29:12. > :29:16.constituency in Streatham, not typical seat, but we have seen the
:29:17. > :29:25.unemployment falling but on the other hand I have a situation where
:29:26. > :29:29.my constituency -- my constituents are earning less than in 2010 and
:29:30. > :29:38.one in three children are living in poverty. I think many of our
:29:39. > :29:46.businesses and people who work within them would say the reason we
:29:47. > :29:55.have weathered the storm is because of our businesses. If you ask many
:29:56. > :29:59.of our businesses how they weathered the storm, it is by reaching
:30:00. > :30:03.agreements for pay cuts and reduced hours to get through the very
:30:04. > :30:07.difficult choppy waters we have had over the last few years so I think
:30:08. > :30:12.our businesses and our employees working in them, they are the reason
:30:13. > :30:16.we have got through this. What we need now is much more longer-term
:30:17. > :30:21.sustainable growth. The problem we have had in the past, it has been
:30:22. > :30:25.too fast buck and not been properly balanced across the different
:30:26. > :30:29.regions in our economy. So you are going to announce some big changes
:30:30. > :30:36.to economic policy, how is that going to work? There are two things
:30:37. > :30:42.to this, as Lord Adonis has been looking into how we can give the
:30:43. > :30:46.regions and the cities to be masters of their destiny. This is building
:30:47. > :30:50.on the proposals Lord Heseltine, who talk sense in this area. He said
:30:51. > :30:54.central government should evolve about ?40 billion of spending to the
:30:55. > :30:58.regions to let them spend how they see fit. That would go to Birmingham
:30:59. > :31:05.City Council, Manchester City Council, and so forward? We would
:31:06. > :31:09.say we will devolve ?20 billion for the same purpose, but in addition to
:31:10. > :31:13.ensuring we empower the cities, we have do empower the people. The BBC
:31:14. > :31:18.has carried out some interesting research on this -- we have do. One
:31:19. > :31:25.in five people in our economy cannot do the full basics online of sending
:31:26. > :31:28.an e-mail, filling in a form, and browsing. We talk about community is
:31:29. > :31:32.disconnected from the global economy, and those were the ones
:31:33. > :31:36.voting for UKIP in the European elections, and in that mass of
:31:37. > :31:39.people who cannot do the things that all others take for granted, a very
:31:40. > :31:44.large number of them are from those communities. -- that all others take
:31:45. > :31:47.for granted. The next Labour government will be focused on
:31:48. > :31:54.connecting people in the global economy so they can realise dreams
:31:55. > :31:59.and aspirations. We have Maggie Philbin, she's helping us with this.
:32:00. > :32:02.Labour is not trusted on the economy. Business does not trust
:32:03. > :32:07.either. You are meeting business leaders this week. Is there anything
:32:08. > :32:11.you can give them to cheer them up? I disagree with what you just said
:32:12. > :32:14.about business leaders. Let's be clear, we will have to make some
:32:15. > :32:20.tough decisions. People should be under no illusions about the
:32:21. > :32:23.decisions we have to make and we are clear we will get public-sector
:32:24. > :32:25.finances back in balance. We want to have it on a downward trajectory by
:32:26. > :32:29.the end of the next Parliament. We said there would be no borrowing to
:32:30. > :32:34.fund expenditure, and we said we would take as the starting point the
:32:35. > :32:38.spending limits from George Osborne. One thing we are asking for, and
:32:39. > :32:41.there will be a vote this week in the house Commons on Wednesday, is
:32:42. > :32:46.for George Osborne to stop being a coward and allow the office of
:32:47. > :32:50.budget responsibility to audit the Labour plans at the general election
:32:51. > :32:55.-- the House of Commons. That is the best way of determining this. You
:32:56. > :33:01.are daring him to audit you? He is running scared, because the head of
:33:02. > :33:07.the budget responsibility office say they think it's a good idea. He is
:33:08. > :33:13.running scared. He is petrified that the Obi are will give Labour's plans
:33:14. > :33:16.the clean bill of health we expect. You have seen the polling in the
:33:17. > :33:21.last week or two, and Ed Miliband is in trouble with the voters in terms
:33:22. > :33:25.of his image, and there was a phrase used, to be a successful leader you
:33:26. > :33:28.need two things, a long-term strategy and an idea, which Ed
:33:29. > :33:34.Miliband perhaps does have, but you also need to be able to deal with
:33:35. > :33:38.the passing celebrity culture, the passing trades and ability to dance
:33:39. > :33:43.around and persuade people, and that he does not have at all. I don't
:33:44. > :33:47.agree with that. In some respects, that belittles politics. We are not
:33:48. > :33:51.playing celebrity Big Brother, we are talking about big issues that
:33:52. > :33:56.affect different communities. How can we pay our way in the world? How
:33:57. > :34:02.can we ensure that everybody achieves their dreams and
:34:03. > :34:06.aspirations? If Ed is guilty of focusing on the issues that people
:34:07. > :34:10.really care about taking a serious, deep look at what needs to happen in
:34:11. > :34:13.the economy to change it, then, fine, because that is what he
:34:14. > :34:21.seriously is what he seriously as bogus. Why do so many Labour
:34:22. > :34:27.supporters see him as a poor leader? If we spent all our time obsessing
:34:28. > :34:31.about polling surveys, we wouldn't be doing what we should be doing,
:34:32. > :34:36.which is winning back the support we are already winning back. Under
:34:37. > :34:40.Ed's leadership, the real polling that matters is voting. We have seen
:34:41. > :34:47.the Labour Party put on 2300 councillors in the marginal seats we
:34:48. > :34:50.need to gain a majority. In the last lot of local elections, everybody
:34:51. > :34:54.said if you got 500 or 600 councillors, you would be on course
:34:55. > :35:04.to win, and you 300. No they didn't. They said we needed 300, and we got
:35:05. > :35:12.about 150 lives, and we got 300, and now you say we should for 500. -- we
:35:13. > :35:16.should aim for 500. The bottom line is we went down to the second worst
:35:17. > :35:21.defeat in our history in 2010. If you asked people in 2010 we could
:35:22. > :35:24.have done that in one term of opposition, they would have laughed
:35:25. > :35:31.you out of the pub. A Labour government next year, is it in the
:35:32. > :35:37.bag? No, it's not. We are aiming for more than that. We are hearing a lot
:35:38. > :35:42.of talk about this and it's nonsense. We want to build a big
:35:43. > :35:45.electoral real coalition of people in the country to deliver a Labour
:35:46. > :35:50.government, because that is what will make a difference. And you
:35:51. > :35:55.think the strategy you are using now is absolutely fine? Steady as she
:35:56. > :35:59.goes? There's no steady as it goes. We have announced a big policy
:36:00. > :36:05.changes in respect of how job-seekers benefit is paid to 18 to
:36:06. > :36:08.21-year-olds, and the nonsense of a young person being penalised if they
:36:09. > :36:14.undertake more than 16 hours of education or training in a week. All
:36:15. > :36:16.of these policies have come out that the polls have not shifted. Ed
:36:17. > :36:22.Miliband surely has to raise his game. You will have to raise your
:36:23. > :36:27.game, including him. We are all doing very well, in my view, and we
:36:28. > :36:31.need to build on the successes to date to make sure we get that
:36:32. > :36:35.majority. That sounds like adopting the brace position. It is not
:36:36. > :36:38.adopting the brace position. I saw the chat with the papers earlier,
:36:39. > :36:44.and if you look at the fundamental qualities of Ed Miliband... He is a
:36:45. > :36:47.very serious man, but he's not connecting with the public. He is
:36:48. > :36:53.seen as very trustworthy. He is considered a man of great beliefs.
:36:54. > :36:57.In this day an age when people lack confidence in the BBC, the police,
:36:58. > :37:04.in different institutions, you can't dismiss those qualities -- day and
:37:05. > :37:07.age. What I am saying is, is for whatever reason, he's not connecting
:37:08. > :37:11.with voters and you say there is no problem? He is about the big issues.
:37:12. > :37:17.People can have the parlour chat game. This is about voters on
:37:18. > :37:23.doorsteps and opinion polls taken outside of the Westminster village.
:37:24. > :37:26.People in Streatham don't ask me about the latest polls. They talk to
:37:27. > :37:31.me about the education of their children. They talk to me about
:37:32. > :37:35.jobs. They talk to me about the continuing tragic youth violence in
:37:36. > :37:38.my constituency. We should not belittle politics, because this is
:37:39. > :37:44.about people 's lives. Absolutely right. Chuka Umunna, thank you.
:37:45. > :37:46.The House of Lords contains many independent and original characters,
:37:47. > :37:48.and none more so than Baroness Trumpington of Sandwich.
:37:49. > :37:51.A former minister in Mrs Thatcher's government, now in her nineties,
:37:52. > :37:53.Jean Barker - as was - has had a colourful career.
:37:54. > :37:56.She spent time in the women's Land Army, at Bletchley Park,
:37:57. > :38:00.in advertising, was a headmaster's wife, and a local councillor.
:38:01. > :38:02.She recently became an internet hit when she was caught
:38:03. > :38:05.on camera, flicking a rude gesture at her colleague in
:38:06. > :38:11.the Lords, Tom King, when he dared to refer to her senior status.
:38:12. > :38:14.Baroness Trumpington has been telling me some of her life stories,
:38:15. > :38:21.starting with how she encountered Lloyd George:
:38:22. > :38:26.My family had been rendered homeless because of the Army taking over our
:38:27. > :38:32.home, and they were desperate to know what to do with me. The whole
:38:33. > :38:42.family were great friends with my family. So, desperation, and Lloyd
:38:43. > :38:48.George took me in, and very decent of him. Very decent is not the most
:38:49. > :38:53.commonly used phrase about Lloyd George. Did he make a pass at you?
:38:54. > :38:56.There is a stupid story and I wish I had never told it, I think he just
:38:57. > :39:02.had nothing better to do and seized a tape measure and said, go and
:39:03. > :39:07.stand against the wall and I will measure you. And that's exactly what
:39:08. > :39:13.he did. I can assure you I was much too scared. If he had tried anything
:39:14. > :39:18.funny, I'd been out of there like a shot. The war years were wild years,
:39:19. > :39:20.in a sense. We think about them being terrible years, but the you
:39:21. > :39:26.they were all excitement at Bletchley. No, you are wrong, there
:39:27. > :39:31.was no excitement at Bletchley, it was solid work in one room. Not
:39:32. > :39:39.talking to anybody in any other room. Not going anywhere, apart from
:39:40. > :39:42.the people you work with. But there was misbehaviour at Bletchley,
:39:43. > :39:49.involving you being thrown into a laundry basket and rushed about at
:39:50. > :39:54.one point. You know, if you do 9-6, four to midnight, midnight to nine
:39:55. > :39:59.o'clock, we in, week out, for years, there are times in the middle of the
:40:00. > :40:07.night where you get fed up. After all, I did quite get happily into
:40:08. > :40:10.the laundry basket, so it is my fault. I was then pushed a great
:40:11. > :40:16.speed down the corridor and I did not end up in the gents cloakroom,
:40:17. > :40:19.as people said, I ended up in the Commander's office, where
:40:20. > :40:25.unfortunately he opened the door as I shot in. You came from a very
:40:26. > :40:28.wealthy family who lost manager in the depression, but you never went
:40:29. > :40:35.hungry until you ended up in America after the war -- who lost their
:40:36. > :40:42.money. I just loved it. I arrived with ?2 in my pocket. And I have a
:40:43. > :40:49.job, but I had forgotten, or didn't know, that I had to wait two weeks
:40:50. > :40:54.to get paid, and my brother had arranged all of his friends to be
:40:55. > :40:56.kind to me, including finding me somewhere to live. I had no money at
:40:57. > :41:02.all. I had to go through the somewhere to live. I had no money at
:41:03. > :41:06.all. I had to go dustbins, and I had a couple of very nice handbags out
:41:07. > :41:12.of those dustbins, and I lived the life of a Rover, but I had a lot of
:41:13. > :41:15.fun. You mentioned your brother. Of all of the mistakes you recount in
:41:16. > :41:19.your book, the least comprehensible is your brother turning down a girl
:41:20. > :41:24.called Jacqueline because she had dry hair. Tell us about her. I had
:41:25. > :41:28.seen these two girls, the two sisters doing a tour of Europe, and
:41:29. > :41:34.I had all of these people coming in for a drink in the house, and they
:41:35. > :41:39.came. After everybody left, I said to my brother, she was jolly pretty,
:41:40. > :41:44.did you make a date question mark over no, she had dry hair. Well,
:41:45. > :41:51.he's never gotten over the fact that that was Jackie Bouvier as she was.
:41:52. > :42:01.Then Kennedy, then an as is. Exactly. -- own as is. You had you
:42:02. > :42:05.say the happiest years of your life as a headmaster 's wife in
:42:06. > :42:09.Cambridge. He once jumped completely into the pool in your clothes on a
:42:10. > :42:16.great occasion -- you once jumped into the pool. I'm afraid I did. For
:42:17. > :42:21.17 years I presented the swimming cups and the Polo cups on speech day
:42:22. > :42:28.at the edge of the pool will stop I was always in my best close. I had
:42:29. > :42:32.just had my hair done and I jumped -- best set of clothes. Half of the
:42:33. > :42:39.school jumped in to save me. My husband would not speak to me that
:42:40. > :42:45.three weeks. Why did you do it? Just for the hell of it. I was leaving,
:42:46. > :42:48.just the hell it. You became a Conservative councillor in Cambridge
:42:49. > :42:52.almost by accident but it launched or political career and you became a
:42:53. > :42:55.minister under Margaret Thatcher. Lots of people found Margaret
:42:56. > :42:57.Thatcher as intimidating, terrifying, difficult but you
:42:58. > :43:03.clearly got on well with her. What was the secret? That I did not care.
:43:04. > :43:09.I had to be true to myself. It wasn't like -- if it wasn't like,
:43:10. > :43:18.that was too bad, but it was better to stick to your guns. I think it
:43:19. > :43:22.was usable to her because it gave her something she could remember
:43:23. > :43:29.when other people spoke as I did. There are a great many questions to
:43:30. > :43:31.be answered... At the age of 91 you are an active Conservative peer in
:43:32. > :43:35.the House of Lords. What worries you most about what is going on in
:43:36. > :43:39.politics at the moment? There are too many peers, no doubt about it.
:43:40. > :43:45.Too many lords. Something has to be done. I do hope it doesn't mean that
:43:46. > :43:50.I have to go. That is the danger of saying that. It is a dangerous
:43:51. > :43:56.thing, I know. There are a hell of a lot of liberals who don't really add
:43:57. > :44:00.up to much. Purge the Liberals? They don't actually add up to much.
:44:01. > :44:02.Baroness Trumpington, speaking to me at her home in London.
:44:03. > :44:05.And her autobiography, Coming Up Trumps is out now.
:44:06. > :44:09.And there's huge reluctance on the part of America
:44:10. > :44:11.and our own government, to get involved in what's clearly
:44:12. > :44:17.President Obama has made clear that Iraq's Shia prime minister,
:44:18. > :44:20.Nouri Al-Maliki, must reach out to the Sunnis and other minorities.
:44:21. > :44:24.Is the country on the brink of collapse?
:44:25. > :44:27.In a moment, we?ll be speaking to the former Defence Secretary, Liam
:44:28. > :44:32.Fox, about what he thinks we can, should, or might have to do in Iraq.
:44:33. > :44:35.But first, Zuhair Al-Naher is a close associate of the
:44:36. > :44:51.Do you have the resources in Baghdad to fight off ISIS? The Iraqi army
:44:52. > :44:55.has halted the advance of the ISIS fighters, however, the Iraqi armed
:44:56. > :45:03.forces need support. What do they need? They need intelligence
:45:04. > :45:07.support. This is a good step that the US has sent 300 experts. They
:45:08. > :45:12.will advise the Iraqi army and improve their strategies, but we
:45:13. > :45:18.also hope that if there is needed to be surgical strikes based on
:45:19. > :45:21.intelligence information, on centres of terrorists, we will get that
:45:22. > :45:27.support from the US in order to allow the Army to move. John Simpson
:45:28. > :45:34.was saying you no longer have the missiles are needed. Is that true?
:45:35. > :45:39.-- that you needed. The army and air force need more support in that
:45:40. > :45:43.aspect. Absolutely. Almost everybody from Tony Blair to President Obama
:45:44. > :45:47.said that the Prime Minister had failed, and made Iraq a more
:45:48. > :45:59.sectarian place. She over sunny, and he has to reach out very fast and
:46:00. > :46:05.then go. That claim is exaggerated. The Prime Minister has reached out
:46:06. > :46:11.but he has faced challenges, the challenges being suspicion between
:46:12. > :46:16.the parties. Some Sunni elements have been linked to the extremist or
:46:17. > :46:21.former Saddam Hussein months, so there is suspicion but there is no
:46:22. > :46:26.question about it. Iraq is going through a process now. The results
:46:27. > :46:29.of the elections have been endorsed and now the political parties and
:46:30. > :46:36.the newly elected MPs will get together. Is there going to be a new
:46:37. > :46:46.coalition government? Absolutely, and Prime Minister Nori monarchy,
:46:47. > :46:55.his platform was to join a government that was inclusive of all
:46:56. > :47:03.of the sectors. Thank you very much for joining me. And so to Doctor
:47:04. > :47:09.Fox. The Sunday Times has Niall Ferguson the historian asking the
:47:10. > :47:15.question, as the West Brom wobbly. Is the answer yes? I don't think so,
:47:16. > :47:21.but given the political fatigue that set in after the long involvement in
:47:22. > :47:25.Iraq after 2003, I think there is a reticence by politicians to get
:47:26. > :47:32.involved again. I think that is a mistake because if you look at what
:47:33. > :47:37.ISIS represent in terms of threats, the threat of jihadists coming back
:47:38. > :47:44.to threaten us at home and more potentially lethal, a clash between
:47:45. > :47:50.Saudi and Iran by proxy or directly, we have to recognise that inactivity
:47:51. > :47:55.is not an option. If Britain decided to come in alongside America, what
:47:56. > :48:06.could we offer in practical terms? If the US is asked to comment, there
:48:07. > :48:11.will be reconnaissance, possibly air strikes. There is nothing we have in
:48:12. > :48:21.specific assets that the Americans don't have but the Americans might
:48:22. > :48:24.want to use British basis -- bases and share intelligence. If we allow
:48:25. > :48:28.the situation to get out of control, the risks are horrendous.
:48:29. > :48:34.It is already close to being out of control, if Britain was asked to use
:48:35. > :48:39.British planes in surgical strikes against ISIS, could we do that? We
:48:40. > :48:50.could, I don't think we would because the Americans have a greater
:48:51. > :48:54.capability. Remember the west is seen as a single entity. There are
:48:55. > :49:00.those who say if we don't get involved, if we hunker down there
:49:01. > :49:05.will be no backlash, that is utterly wrong because the jihadists don't
:49:06. > :49:12.hate us because of what we do, they hate us because of who we are. It is
:49:13. > :49:16.our values and our history that they detest. A lot of the jihadists are
:49:17. > :49:23.coming back to Britain, what can we do about that? Can we take away
:49:24. > :49:32.their passports? We can technically do that, and we can remove
:49:33. > :49:36.citizenship. We have the security services to ensure that they are
:49:37. > :49:41.watched and that they don't pose a greater threat. Not enough perhaps?
:49:42. > :49:47.That is a question we are going to have to ask, whether the security
:49:48. > :49:54.services have adequate authority, but also do the powers that they
:49:55. > :49:58.have reflect increasing need? You have people at the moment in light
:49:59. > :50:04.of Edward Snowden saying the state has too many powers. What kind of
:50:05. > :50:10.powers should we be giving, in your view, to the security services to
:50:11. > :50:14.deal with this? The whole area of intercept for example needs to be
:50:15. > :50:18.looked at. It is a genuine debate between the libertarians who saved
:50:19. > :50:24.the state must not get too powerful and pretty much the rest of us who
:50:25. > :50:32.say the state must protect us. So more manpower and more money as
:50:33. > :50:35.well. If required. If I am a jihadists and I have had a great
:50:36. > :50:39.time beheading people in Iraq and Syria and I arrived with my passport
:50:40. > :50:44.at Heathrow airport, what can be done to stop me coming home and
:50:45. > :50:50.spreading my poison here? There are limits to what we can do. In a free
:50:51. > :50:56.society, we have the ability to move. I can move back to Cardiff
:50:57. > :51:01.suburbs or wherever? Yes, and we have to decide what state powers we
:51:02. > :51:07.can use to make sure you are watched so that you don't pose a greater
:51:08. > :51:10.threat to the civilian population. I suppose practically we couldn't
:51:11. > :51:15.deport people into ISIS territory because we couldn't get there. It is
:51:16. > :51:21.a real worry and it is a problem that will be with us for a very long
:51:22. > :51:25.time. We have to win the ideological battle as well and that takes you
:51:26. > :51:31.into areas of diversity in our society and how we deal with that.
:51:32. > :51:36.Do you think we should bring back control orders? Only if we think it
:51:37. > :51:42.can provide a positive benefit without some sort of counteracting
:51:43. > :51:48.disincentive to do so. Let's turn out of the other political story
:51:49. > :51:52.which is David Cameron's fight to stop Mr Juncker becoming leader of
:51:53. > :51:56.the EU in effect. It is clearly a fight many people in the
:51:57. > :52:01.Conservative party would agree he has to take on and yet he will lose
:52:02. > :52:05.it. How will that affect his standing in the party? It is a real
:52:06. > :52:13.pleasure to watch the Prime Minister doing what he thinks is right. If
:52:14. > :52:17.the Juncker agenda is wrong for the people of Europe, then the British
:52:18. > :52:22.Prime Minister is right to stand up against it. He may not win the
:52:23. > :52:27.battle but it is so much nicer to see a Prime Minister willing to take
:52:28. > :52:35.a battle and get a bloody nose than not doing so. But a European Union
:52:36. > :52:47.led by Juncker will presumably not give us the changes that we want in
:52:48. > :52:51.order to stay in. There has been a sea change in Europe, it's just that
:52:52. > :52:56.the bureaucracy and European leaders don't seem to have noticed that
:52:57. > :53:00.there were major inroads made by anti-European parties just a few
:53:01. > :53:06.weeks ago in European elections. The question is will they take notice or
:53:07. > :53:12.continue on the same direction? What will our changes the EU believe it
:53:13. > :53:19.would convince you at the time of a referendum to stay in? I want us to
:53:20. > :53:23.have a much looser relationship, back to a common market. I want to
:53:24. > :53:28.see lots of powers coming back to the UK. The end of free movement? I
:53:29. > :53:33.think if you can get free movement to be related just the labour
:53:34. > :53:37.market, then that's where I would like to go. I don't believe in ever
:53:38. > :53:44.closer union because the logical in point of that is union. If David
:53:45. > :53:50.Cameron is unable after the Juncker fight to use that phrase, if he is
:53:51. > :53:55.unable to do anything about so-called benefit tourism, your view
:53:56. > :54:03.would be that we should leave the EU? The first thing would be that we
:54:04. > :54:08.will have to win the general election so that we can have the
:54:09. > :54:09.referendum. So we are now in this referendum territory. Some people
:54:10. > :54:23.have said Liam Fox will referendum territory. Some people
:54:24. > :54:26.renegotiation. I have told you I want a looser relationship. Being
:54:27. > :54:31.out holds no fear for me but if we are able to get a relationship
:54:32. > :54:36.closer to the won the British people voted for in 1975, a looser
:54:37. > :54:42.relationship, that is fine and dandy. Sounds like a potential
:54:43. > :54:45.leader of the no campaign to me. Now the news headlines.
:54:46. > :54:47.Good morning. There's a warning that
:54:48. > :54:49.the conflicts in the middle-East will have a long-term effect
:54:50. > :55:00.on security in Britain. Speaking on this programme the
:55:01. > :55:04.former defence secretary Liam Fox suggested the security forces might
:55:05. > :55:08.need more resources and powers to deal with any threat to Britain.
:55:09. > :55:12.David Cameron will call for a vote amongst EU leaders on who should be
:55:13. > :55:16.the next leader of the European commission. The move has been
:55:17. > :55:19.the next leader of the European described as unprecedented and comes
:55:20. > :55:24.as nine left-wing leaders from across the EU have agreed to back
:55:25. > :55:32.Jean-Claude Juncker. David Cameron has argued strongly against the
:55:33. > :55:34.move, saying Mr Juncker is too much of a Brussels insider to back the
:55:35. > :55:49.reform. The next news is on BBC One at one o'clock.
:55:50. > :55:55.reform. The next news is on BBC One after this programme. Comedian and
:55:56. > :56:00.chef Hardeep Singh Coli, and June Brown.
:56:01. > :56:03.on security in Britain. Since winning the BBC Young Musician
:56:04. > :56:05.of the Year competition ten years ago, the Scottish-Italian violinist
:56:06. > :56:07.Nicola Benedetti has had a stunningly successful career.
:56:08. > :56:09.She's performed all over the world, including at the Last Night
:56:10. > :56:11.of the Proms, and recorded a string of albums.
:56:12. > :56:14.She's also a passionate advocate of music in schools,
:56:15. > :56:16.and involved in a BBC project to introduce children to ten essential
:56:17. > :56:18.pieces of classical music. She has
:56:19. > :56:21.a new Scottish-themed album out. And she can be seen next month
:56:22. > :56:29.at the Cheltenham music festival. Nicola, welcome.
:56:30. > :56:37.You have a scheme to get classical music out to schoolchildren in
:56:38. > :56:49.Britain. Yes, I will be advocating for it. You play lots of classical
:56:50. > :56:53.music on your album but also lots of fast Scottish fiddle music, how
:56:54. > :56:59.difficult was that? It is difficult to adjust, it is such different
:57:00. > :57:04.mental and rhythmical style, it is a lot of adjustment for me to do but
:57:05. > :57:08.the community around the folk scene embrace everyone and they are
:57:09. > :57:10.wonderful. And you will be giving me some burns, which is as it should
:57:11. > :57:14.be. Nicola, welcome.
:57:15. > :57:24.That's all we have time for this morning.
:57:25. > :57:25.But for now, appropriately enough, we say farewell with Nicola
:57:26. > :57:33.Benedetti and Auld Lang Syne.