:00:39. > :00:41.'That's it now. Let it all begin. This will blow it all apart.'
:00:42. > :00:45.Words spoken more than 30 years ago, according to his son, by the former
:00:46. > :00:48.Tory MP Geoffrey Dickens, when he had handed a huge dossier alleging
:00:49. > :00:56.sex abuse by politicians to the then Home Secretary Leon Brittan - the
:00:57. > :00:59.same man, according to today's papers, who has now been questioned
:01:00. > :01:12.But the Labour MP Simon Danczuk warns this morning -
:01:13. > :01:14.'I believe we're on the verge of a Savile-like scandal sweeping
:01:15. > :01:18.If Dickens was right, this is going to be
:01:19. > :01:21.a ghastly time for those of us who still revere the House of Commons.
:01:22. > :01:24.Joining me today for our review of the Sunday newspapers -
:01:25. > :01:28.sparring partners from the House of Lords - the Labour Peer,
:01:29. > :01:41.Baroness Helena Kennedy, and the man who was proud to be called the
:01:42. > :01:47.The other huge story of the week has been radical Islamism.
:01:48. > :01:49.They have proclaimed a caliphate and potential terrorists are
:01:50. > :01:54.Some British schools are apparently rife with highly
:01:55. > :01:57.Michael Gove calls this the great conflict of our time.
:01:58. > :01:59.Of all our leading politicians he is the one who has made fighting
:02:00. > :02:03.He famously got embroiled in a bitter row with the
:02:04. > :02:05.Home Secretary, Theresa May about it.
:02:06. > :02:07.But Michael Gove is here this morning to talk
:02:08. > :02:09.about the substance - how bad things are becoming, and what can be done.
:02:10. > :02:11.Listening to him will be his opposite number,
:02:12. > :02:13.the Shadow Education Secretary, Tristram Hunt, here to talk
:02:14. > :02:16.about new Labour plans for schools and what he calls master teachers.
:02:17. > :02:18.But we're not spending all our time on the theatre of politics:
:02:19. > :02:24.Marianne Elliott is the star of the next generation of theatre directors
:02:25. > :02:29.- she brought us War Horse, the light princess, and now
:02:30. > :02:32.The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night Time - which you may
:02:33. > :02:36.recall literally brought the house down. She joins us too.
:02:37. > :02:40.As does another of the great female stars of the age,
:02:41. > :02:44.Martina Navratilova, the morning after Kvitova won
:02:45. > :02:50.Oops, I haven't mentioned football yet. But don't worry:
:02:51. > :02:53.with the World Cup drawing to its grand finale in Brazil, we have
:02:54. > :02:57.the rhythm of carnival in the studio that fantastic samba
:02:58. > :03:04.Fierce political arguments, drama, sport and music all crammed
:03:05. > :03:09.into the next hour, but first the news from Stephanie McGovern.
:03:10. > :03:14.It's emerged that 114 files, which are potentially significant to
:03:15. > :03:18.a review into child abuse allegations at Westminster
:03:19. > :03:23.The Home Office has said it will appoint a senior legal figure to
:03:24. > :03:27.re-examine its review, to see if the original outcome was sound.
:03:28. > :03:31.Our Political Correspondent, Robin Brant, reports.
:03:32. > :03:34.Do you want a man to represent you or...
:03:35. > :03:41.We know that well-known entertainers were involved in child abuse in the
:03:42. > :03:45.1970s and '80s, but this politician was as well. It is claimed the late
:03:46. > :03:50.Liberal MP Sir Cyril Smith went to boys' homes in Rochdale.
:03:51. > :03:53.At the time, the Home Secretary, Leon, now Lord, Brittan, was passed
:03:54. > :03:57.details said to include claims about other Westminster figures.
:03:58. > :04:01.The parts of it considered relevant were handed to the proper
:04:02. > :04:04.authorities but more than 100 documents have since
:04:05. > :04:08.gone missing or been destroyed. Claims about a missing dossier were
:04:09. > :04:12.investigated last year, but now the Prime Minister has ordered a fresh
:04:13. > :04:16.look at that process. A senior independent legal figure
:04:17. > :04:19.will assess whether the review's conclusions remain sound.
:04:20. > :04:23.We have got to be completely transparent in this and the fact it
:04:24. > :04:26.is getting nearer to Westminster and nearer to politics makes it all the
:04:27. > :04:29.more imperative that no stone is left unturned.
:04:30. > :04:33.But a review of the review with an as yet unnamed legal figure in
:04:34. > :04:37.charge is not enough for Labour. They want a broader enquiry.
:04:38. > :04:40.It's been revealed the 2013 review found no record of specific
:04:41. > :04:45.allegations of child sex abuse by prominent public figures, but four
:04:46. > :04:52.previously undisclosed bits of information have now been passed to
:04:53. > :04:54.the police and with the backdrop of decades of abuse by Jimmy Savile
:04:55. > :04:57.and this week's conviction of Rolf Harris, the Prime Minister is
:04:58. > :05:02.sensitive to any suggestion of a cover-up at the heart of Westminster
:05:03. > :05:06.three decades ago. Robin Brant, BBC News.
:05:07. > :05:09.It's being reported that the former Conservative Home Secretary,
:05:10. > :05:12.Leon Brittan, has been questioned about an allegation
:05:13. > :05:19.The Independent on Sunday says Lord Brittan, as he now is,
:05:20. > :05:22.was questioned under caution last month, but not arrested.
:05:23. > :05:29.Ukrainian troops have regained control of the key eastern city
:05:30. > :05:31.of Sloviansk from pro-Russian separatists.
:05:32. > :05:35.The Government has hailed it as a turning point in the conflict.
:05:36. > :05:38.The city had been a rebel stronghold since April.
:05:39. > :05:41.Talks to try to end the fighting were supposed to begin by last
:05:42. > :05:48.Thousands of people are again lining the route of the Tour de France,
:05:49. > :05:52.as the cyclists face some of Britain's toughest climbs during the
:05:53. > :05:58.Yesterday, crowds including the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
:05:59. > :06:00.descended on Yorkshire to get a fleeting glimpse
:06:01. > :06:05.of the 198 racers passing through the county.
:06:06. > :06:09.I'll be back with the headlines just before 10.00am.
:06:10. > :06:26.The Tour de France, with the crash that has dashed British hopes for
:06:27. > :06:30.the moment at least. Home Office loses 114 sex abuse files. A similar
:06:31. > :06:34.take from the Sunday Telegraph, there are three members of the Royal
:06:35. > :06:42.Family looking on aghast as the cycle crash takes place. Parliament
:06:43. > :06:48.child sex scandal: 114 lost files. To the Observer, a lovely photograph
:06:49. > :06:52.of the sun-lit Yorkshire Dales and the cyclists charging through them
:06:53. > :07:17.at speed. I think the paper that had the Michelle Larcher the Michelle
:07:18. > :07:23.Leon Brittan story first. A lot to talk about. Grim newspapers this
:07:24. > :07:31.morning. Depressingly so. You have chosen the piece in the Mail on
:07:32. > :07:40.Sunday. Yes. What I find we have to do is to remember the atmosphere of
:07:41. > :07:51.the times. It is very easy to forget that things looked different in
:07:52. > :07:58.those days. Dickens is attacked as a buffoon for raising this at the
:07:59. > :08:05.time? Yes. Also, at that time, I think most people would have thought
:08:06. > :08:11.that the establishment that the system was to be protected. If a few
:08:12. > :08:15.things had gone wrong here and there, it was more important to
:08:16. > :08:21.protect the system than to delve too far into them. That view I think was
:08:22. > :08:28.wrong then. It is spectacularly shown to have been wrong because the
:08:29. > :08:30.abuses have grown. Was there a big political cover-up at the time 30
:08:31. > :08:36.years ago? There may well have been. It was almost unconscious, it was
:08:37. > :08:43.the thing that people did at that time.
:08:44. > :08:43.the thing that people did at that kind of things? You didn't talk
:08:44. > :08:48.about those sort of things. It is not the sort of thing that people
:08:49. > :08:52.did, not even if I may say so television journalists let alone the
:08:53. > :09:00.politicians. A big public enquiry now, do you think? I think that Mr
:09:01. > :09:05.Cameron is right initially to have looked for a distinguished judicial
:09:06. > :09:13.figure. To have a look at it, to see what the dimensions of the problem
:09:14. > :09:18.are, to report back fairly quickly, I hope, and then will arise the
:09:19. > :09:25.question of what sort of further enquiry is needed into it. Helena
:09:26. > :09:30.Kennedy, one of the papers says a Labour peer is involved as well?
:09:31. > :09:34.Listen, sexual abuse exists in all parts of society. And it would be
:09:35. > :09:39.surprising to imagine that parliamentarians are not going to be
:09:40. > :09:43.amongst them. Powerful people? People who are powerful can use that
:09:44. > :09:49.power to prevent their wrongdoing coming to light. I think Norman is
:09:50. > :09:55.right. There was a way in which the establishment was able to protect
:09:56. > :10:06.itself and it felt that to expose bad things was to undermine the
:10:07. > :10:11.whole firmament. We have shifted to a time when people aren't going to
:10:12. > :10:15.accept that anymore. There has to be openness and transparency, but going
:10:16. > :10:24.back, this business that there were 114 sex abuse files... Disappearing
:10:25. > :10:28.dossiers? It is not as though we don't - archiving is one of the
:10:29. > :10:31.great things that has disclosed miscarriages of justice. This is
:10:32. > :10:34.about a miscarriage of justice. It is about people who were making
:10:35. > :10:39.complaints and bringing to light abuse and they weren't being
:10:40. > :10:44.listened to and they were being written off as being fantasisers and
:10:45. > :10:49.so on. It turns out that much of this has truth in it. It was about
:10:50. > :10:52.not listening but it was also about men particularly in power being able
:10:53. > :10:57.to actually use the system to cover up for themselves and that goes for
:10:58. > :11:01.celebrities and so on. It is rather interesting that the attacks on the
:11:02. > :11:06.BBC by parliamentarians are coming home to roost. Parliament has been
:11:07. > :11:11.the seat of a whole lot of bad stuff that involves cover-ups, too. A grim
:11:12. > :11:14.time for those of us who love Parliament but a necessary cleansing
:11:15. > :11:20.coming as well. I think so. That is right. The next big story -
:11:21. > :11:29.Islamism. You have got a Sunday Telegraph leader there? Yes, I think
:11:30. > :11:33.that what we are now seeing is that a general acceptance of something
:11:34. > :11:40.which I was saying 15 or 20 years ago and getting a lot of stick
:11:41. > :11:49.about. You cannot have two cultures within one society. Rivalling each
:11:50. > :11:53.other. Sooner or later one will become dominant. It is not a case of
:11:54. > :11:59.being intolerant of other cultures. Lord knows we have worked a very
:12:00. > :12:04.tolerant society for a long time with the Jewish minority
:12:05. > :12:09.particularly so. But unless there is a dominance culture, there will be a
:12:10. > :12:14.war between the cultures. And we are seeing it particularly in Birmingham
:12:15. > :12:20.in the schools, where there is a war between an Islamic culture and
:12:21. > :12:25.traditional British culture. I really - Norman, you know, I respect
:12:26. > :12:29.that you are a forthright speaker on lots of things. I really do think
:12:30. > :12:35.that is to exaggerate the very small numbers of people who are extremist
:12:36. > :12:41.amongst the Islamic community. I don't believe that there are many
:12:42. > :12:46.Muslims out there who want to challenge British culture. They have
:12:47. > :12:49.come and settled here and they are absolutely happy to adopt and to
:12:50. > :12:54.live in our society, but they want to be able to practice their own
:12:55. > :13:00.religion. Of course. Helena, it is not about religion. Sharia Law.
:13:01. > :13:06.But... Sharia Law, should it be allowed? Well, should there be
:13:07. > :13:14.Jewish courts which are also recognising? Let's be clear... There
:13:15. > :13:22.are not Jewish courts. There are. They cannot... Nobody is suggesting
:13:23. > :13:26.there should be Sharia Law... No? Consenting partners in a business
:13:27. > :13:29.situation, if they want to go before their own religious court, they are
:13:30. > :13:32.able to do so and that decision would have to be recognised by
:13:33. > :13:36.official courts. But the Jewish community do that... We will be
:13:37. > :13:41.talking a lot more about this with Michael Gove later on, so maybe we
:13:42. > :13:46.should return... Let's return to the papers. You have a snoopers charter
:13:47. > :13:52.story? It picks up on something that Norman was looking to which is that
:13:53. > :13:56.piece in the Telegraph that says no need for panic while also accepting
:13:57. > :14:00.there is a terrorist threat. It is in the Times, that there is a story
:14:01. > :14:04.that the Conservative Party has a secret plan for another erosion of
:14:05. > :14:08.civil liberties to deal with terrorism. That is always the
:14:09. > :14:12.response, to look to the law and to basically remove some of our civil
:14:13. > :14:18.liberties to deal with terrorism. Usually, it is never necessary. It
:14:19. > :14:21.is - it is one of those things, knee-jerk things that politicians do
:14:22. > :14:25.and the last Government did it, and now we are going to see this
:14:26. > :14:30.Government doing the same thing. You wouldn't like that either. We have
:14:31. > :14:34.made common cause on protecting our civil liberties. Indeed we have. I
:14:35. > :14:38.would continue to do so. Let's move to another new law where I don't
:14:39. > :14:42.think you have quite such a warm agreement, which is the new law on
:14:43. > :14:47.public sector strikes, which is clearly coming. The essence is, I
:14:48. > :14:51.think, that you would have to have more than 15% of people voting
:14:52. > :14:57.before a strike could happen. Well, way back when I was doing my reforms
:14:58. > :15:07.of trade union law, which have stood up 30-odd years without amendment
:15:08. > :15:13.despite Labour's pledges, it was often put to me that we should
:15:14. > :15:27.stipulate that there must be a minimum poll in a strike vote.
:15:28. > :15:32.the worst of our trade union leaders would seek to call a strike on a low
:15:33. > :15:40.turnout and a marginal number of people voting for the strike. Sadly
:15:41. > :15:44.we have now got some people in the public sector unions who don't take
:15:45. > :15:51.that view. So you think the law should be changed in this regard? I
:15:52. > :15:56.feel we will have to have some floor minimum poll. The problem with some
:15:57. > :16:02.of these minimum floors is that some MPs are elected without the total
:16:03. > :16:06.minimum vote. Indeed so it is not an easy thing to construct. It would
:16:07. > :16:11.merely mean the strike were not protected in law so those who were
:16:12. > :16:16.damaged by it could sue the union for their funds. I understand. Let's
:16:17. > :16:34.move to another extraparliamentary be off of great power, Google. --
:16:35. > :16:44.behemoth. Indeed, there is the story that is creating chaos for Google
:16:45. > :16:49.because lots of people want to censor their own history, and in
:16:50. > :16:53.fact they have had applications made from, for example, a former
:16:54. > :17:00.government minister wanting the removal of criticism of his previous
:17:01. > :17:03.policies, and a professional footballer wanting details of his
:17:04. > :17:14.career to be brushed. It has gone away from this is true to... I don't
:17:15. > :17:20.want people to know that. People's lives can be ruined by very ancient
:17:21. > :17:25.convictions when they were young, they got into trouble, and it seems
:17:26. > :17:30.we have to be protective of people's rights to rebuild their lives and
:17:31. > :17:34.have a second chance, but this business about wanting to airbrush
:17:35. > :17:40.your political history, you wouldn't to do that, Norman? It would be a
:17:41. > :17:44.very dangerous thing if people are allowed to start doing that. It has
:17:45. > :17:55.to stand there. It happened, and we should be grown up enough to know
:17:56. > :17:59.whether it matters. Can we turn to the European story you have chosen?
:18:00. > :18:05.I think again from the Sunday Telegraph. Yes, this is about the
:18:06. > :18:10.proposal to put more restrictions on the freedom of movement within the
:18:11. > :18:20.EU of people from the poorer countries. Let me make it plain that
:18:21. > :18:29.I do not believe that, for example, Polish and Czech and Slovak
:18:30. > :18:33.immigrants are a threat to us. We would have lost the Battle of
:18:34. > :18:38.Britain without them and we have those debts of honour to each
:18:39. > :18:48.other, but I think there are problems where we get people from
:18:49. > :18:53.what I call the bottom right-hand of Europe coming in large numbers from
:18:54. > :19:00.economies which are very much behind ours. What we must not do is let it
:19:01. > :19:04.delude us into believing that our immigration problems are all about
:19:05. > :19:10.Europe. Our biggest immigration problems are about other parts of
:19:11. > :19:14.the world and we have and should have proper control over those. The
:19:15. > :19:19.most shocking thing that has happened to me this morning is to
:19:20. > :19:26.discover your softer side, Norman. You have written a slushy... Not
:19:27. > :19:49.slushy, a sentimental story about a dog, it is called Ben's Story. Yes,
:19:50. > :19:57.Ben is a dog who teams up with a boy who was a paraplegic. The dog has an
:19:58. > :20:03.advanced ability to read what people are saying and reply to them in
:20:04. > :20:06.their own brains. The boy and the dog together with a lady who you
:20:07. > :20:17.might recognise, remarkably similar to Dame Parks, a sweet white-haired
:20:18. > :20:22.old lady with nerves of steel, they nailed the villain. As they say, in
:20:23. > :20:27.all good book shops now. Very briefly, pictures of the Tour de
:20:28. > :20:33.France everywhere. Yes, this picture on the front of the Observer,
:20:34. > :20:40.beautiful, gorgeous, these are the Dales of Yorkshire and people are
:20:41. > :20:45.out in huge numbers on a sunny, glorious day. Let's be happy about
:20:46. > :20:47.this sporting event! Thank you for that.
:20:48. > :20:51.All eyes will be on Centre Court later, so where better to get
:20:52. > :20:54.our weather forecast from this morning than Wimbledon,
:20:55. > :20:57.at the end of a fortnight which has hardly seen any disruption by rain.
:20:58. > :21:02.A miracle. Over to Sarah Keith-Lucas.
:21:03. > :21:11.It has been a gloomy start of the day here but sunshine and showers is
:21:12. > :21:15.the story across the UK today. The satellite image shows we have got a
:21:16. > :21:20.lot of cloud around for central and eastern areas, more in the way of
:21:21. > :21:26.sunshine though to the north and west. The heavy rain we have seen
:21:27. > :21:33.across eastern areas will slowly fade away. For Northern Ireland and
:21:34. > :21:40.Scotland, the showers could be quite heavy, slow moving, some and for the
:21:41. > :21:46.Tour de France there could be some surface water flooding at times. But
:21:47. > :21:52.some sunshine in between. Farther south of England, once the rain has
:21:53. > :21:59.cleared away, some sunny conditions. More in the way of
:22:00. > :22:04.showers across the south-west of England and for Wales too. Those
:22:05. > :22:10.showers will tend to fizzle out so some drier weather tonight, and less
:22:11. > :22:15.humid night than we have seen recently, especially the south-east.
:22:16. > :22:20.Tomorrow we are looking at another day similar to today, so there are
:22:21. > :22:24.heavy showers on the cards for some places today but hopefully here at
:22:25. > :22:42.Wimbledon some sunny skies developing later on.
:22:43. > :22:46.So, the weather is set fair for the men's finals at Wimbledon.
:22:47. > :22:49.It's been an interesting fortnight - disappointment for Andy Murray
:22:50. > :22:51.of course, but we're seeing some exciting new stars emerging
:22:52. > :22:53.in the men's and women's games. Watching it all has been that
:22:54. > :22:55.record-breaking champion, Martina Navratilova.
:22:56. > :22:58.36 years after she won her first singles title there, Martina can
:22:59. > :23:00.still be seen on court at Wimbledon. She's been playing in
:23:01. > :23:02.the invitation doubles this year, as well as commentating for the BBC.
:23:03. > :23:05.Good morning. What is it about you Czechs? That
:23:06. > :23:11.must have been the shortest Wimbledon final I have seen in a
:23:12. > :23:14.long time. Firstly, it is nice to see you back in your seat again.
:23:15. > :23:17.Petra Kvitova has been see you back in your seat again.
:23:18. > :23:21.Petra Kvitova has hitting the ball really square and hard and I knew
:23:22. > :23:29.that Eugenie Bouchard would not be able to cope with it. It was an
:23:30. > :23:33.extraordinary game. What is it about Czechs? It is a small country but it
:23:34. > :23:40.seems to have a strong tennis tradition. It is in the water! I
:23:41. > :23:47.think the whole setup of club tennis is what works. Most tennis players
:23:48. > :23:52.are from tennis families, they go out and play little games, big
:23:53. > :23:58.games, I didn't practice the way they practice now, I just played
:23:59. > :24:03.sets. You learn to compete and we just absorbed the sport. You learn
:24:04. > :24:08.to individualise yourself and that is what ultimately works. We have
:24:09. > :24:14.got the men's finals of course, a rather traditional Roger Federer and
:24:15. > :24:19.Novak Djokovic final, but we are seeing a changing of the guard at
:24:20. > :24:23.the moment. Absolutely, the young guys and the women are knocking on
:24:24. > :24:38.the door and breaking through in some instances. It could have been
:24:39. > :24:51.Grigor Dimitrov and Raonic in the final. What is your take on the
:24:52. > :25:00.Serena Williams moment? I think -- what is your take on Andy Murray?
:25:01. > :25:06.You cannot make too many assumptions from that match, I think he will be
:25:07. > :25:09.back. And Serena Williams, she has played such dominating tennis that I
:25:10. > :25:15.think she might be burnt out but watch out, I think she will come
:25:16. > :25:22.back. Age does catch up eventually, but not for you, how did you get on?
:25:23. > :25:25.We lost in the finals but we had a good time, and played with a good
:25:26. > :25:31.friend, and hopefully we will get to do it again. Are you playing tennis
:25:32. > :25:36.very regularly? Not at all. We played during the Grand Slams but
:25:37. > :25:42.during the year I do other things. If Andy Murray popped along and
:25:43. > :25:47.said, would you fancy coaching me? He is in good hands, but yes, you
:25:48. > :25:52.don't say no to someone like Andy Murray. There you go, a potential
:25:53. > :25:57.story there. Thank you for coming in.
:25:58. > :25:59.Good morning. Labour is gradually revealing some
:26:00. > :26:02.of its ideas for government, and in the papers today, the Shadow
:26:03. > :26:04.Education Secretary Tristram Hunt sets out plans for a new cadre of
:26:05. > :26:07.highly-skilled 'master teachers'. Education reform has of course been
:26:08. > :26:10.a very important part of the of the Coalition's work - new free
:26:11. > :26:13.schools, hundreds more Academies, changes to the exam system -
:26:14. > :26:15.would Labour reverse all that? Are we talking small tweaks,
:26:16. > :26:15.or a more radical approach? Good morning.
:26:16. > :26:26.Good morning. Let's start with your new idea of
:26:27. > :26:31.the moment, master teachers. How are they different from the teachers we
:26:32. > :26:36.have at the moment? To succeed as a nation we need to get a world class
:26:37. > :26:40.teacher in every classroom and no education system can exceed the
:26:41. > :26:44.quality of the teaching that goes on in the classroom. We have to many
:26:45. > :26:48.young people leaving school not reading at the right level, they
:26:49. > :27:04.have a growing gap between those kids on free school meals and not on
:27:05. > :27:07.free school meals outside of London. We get these teachers that will
:27:08. > :27:09.focus on the best research in the classroom, they will support other
:27:10. > :27:11.teachers in collaboration, it will be based on merit and it is about
:27:12. > :27:14.behaviour, it is about management. Where do you find them and how do
:27:15. > :27:16.you rate them? They are all qualified teachers and we are
:27:17. > :27:21.looking at the Singapore system. Once you have qualified as a
:27:22. > :27:26.teacher, you have three pathways, you can become a head, a subject
:27:27. > :27:32.specialists, or a master teacher, so it is about having a career pathway
:27:33. > :27:37.for teachers. Does it mean extra training for the teachers?
:27:38. > :27:38.Absolutely, and that has to be revalidated and qualified, because
:27:39. > :27:39.at the Absolutely, and that has to be
:27:40. > :27:40.revalidated and qualified, moment to many great teachers are
:27:41. > :27:48.revalidated and qualified, moment to many great teachers moving out of
:27:49. > :27:49.the classroom and becoming heads. Crucially, would you pay them all?
:27:50. > :27:50.We now have a flexible system the classroom and becoming heads.
:27:51. > :27:52.Crucially, would you pay them for Crucially, would you pay them all?
:27:53. > :27:57.We now have a pay so heads have the capacity to pay their teachers in
:27:58. > :28:03.different ways and we think that any ambitious head would want to have a
:28:04. > :28:09.master teacher on their role. One per school, that kind of number?
:28:10. > :28:14.Yes, I mean this is a difficult qualification to get, and we are
:28:15. > :28:17.supporting a Royal College of teaching so we would want them to be
:28:18. > :28:25.part of the conversation about how you credit master teacher status. At
:28:26. > :28:31.the moment teachers are very upset about pay and hours
:28:32. > :28:31.the moment teachers are very upset to see a strike. Would your message
:28:32. > :28:43.be to stay in the classroom and teach? This is a political failure
:28:44. > :28:48.and it is as a result of the incendiary language from the
:28:49. > :28:52.Secretary of State. I want the kids in schools learning because we are
:28:53. > :28:56.in a competitive environment. We are seeing countries like Poland where
:28:57. > :29:00.they are really achieving in maths and literacy so we need as many
:29:01. > :29:05.hours in the classroom as possible. Parents will be getting reports
:29:06. > :29:10.about their kids this week... Lots of teachers will be watching this,
:29:11. > :29:21.is your message, on Thursday, go to work? It is not for me to tell trade
:29:22. > :29:26.unionists what to do. So you won't tell them to go to work? We didn't
:29:27. > :29:29.have these kinds of strikes under a Labour government. I want all
:29:30. > :29:34.teachers in schools teaching young people but we have independent trade
:29:35. > :29:40.unions in this country and it is an important part of civil society. Do
:29:41. > :29:45.you think they have a justified grievance? I think we have to much
:29:46. > :29:49.bureaucracy in the system which is taking teachers away from the love
:29:50. > :29:53.of their job, what they came in fourth. It is a difficult debate
:29:54. > :29:57.because on the one hand we need data about the performance of young
:29:58. > :30:01.people, and that was one of the successes of the London challenge
:30:02. > :30:05.which turned around education in the capital, but if you are collecting
:30:06. > :30:11.too much data, is that getting in the wake of what you came into the
:30:12. > :30:14.profession to do? What I want to do is meet the trade unions, have a
:30:15. > :30:17.conversation about that so they can do what they enjoy.
:30:18. > :30:23.We have this sweet new tradition where Ministers and Shadow Ministers
:30:24. > :30:26.communicate by letter and Michael Gove is asking you whether you will
:30:27. > :30:32.guarantee the free schools if Labour win the election. Will they be safe
:30:33. > :30:36.under Labour? I do think if Michael Gove spent less time spending me
:30:37. > :30:40.letters and more time focussing on standards and teaching in our
:30:41. > :30:45.schools, we would be in a better place. You can save yourself a piece
:30:46. > :30:50.of writing paper by answering him now? We will not continue with the
:30:51. > :30:56.current Government's free school programme from the free school in
:30:57. > :31:01.Derby, to the Discovery New School in Crawley, we have seen a catalogue
:31:02. > :31:05.of failures, of poor standards, of financial mismanagement. Our focus
:31:06. > :31:09.is on the quality of the teaching in the classroom, across all different
:31:10. > :31:12.types of schools... Will you close free schools that are open already?
:31:13. > :31:17.We will keep the free schools that are open. We will keep free schools
:31:18. > :31:22.in the pipeline. We want to focus new schools on areas of need. What
:31:23. > :31:25.we see is lots of schools with growing numbers of primaries, with
:31:26. > :31:30.kids over 30. Those parents watching today thinking "Why?" Are my kids
:31:31. > :31:37.educated in classes of over 30, that is because the Government is taking
:31:38. > :31:41.money for new schools to fund the free school programme. If they are
:31:42. > :31:46.in the pipeline, they will happen under Labour? Your opening question
:31:47. > :31:51.was about stability and change and what we think is we need a period of
:31:52. > :31:57.stability in the education system. We have had too much top-down chop
:31:58. > :32:01.and churn from this Government, edict after edict and what we want
:32:02. > :32:04.is to allow heads and teachers to get on with their job. I am not
:32:05. > :32:10.coming in to throw everything up in the air again and take the kind of
:32:11. > :32:15.narrow partisan decisions. I'm concerned with the broader outcomes
:32:16. > :32:21.for our young people. Free schools educate under 2% of kids. I'm more
:32:22. > :32:25.focussed on the 98%. Let me ask you one non-teaching question. The big
:32:26. > :32:30.child abuse stories in the papers today. Labour has called for an
:32:31. > :32:34.inquiry, why? We have got too many bitty inquiries going on. We think
:32:35. > :32:38.there are broader issues here and what we are focussing on is having
:32:39. > :32:42.an inquiry led by a child protection expert. Our fear is whether it's
:32:43. > :32:46.some of the allegations we are seeing this morning, or some of the
:32:47. > :32:50.historic allegations, there isn't a cohesive approach to a serious
:32:51. > :32:55.public policy issue. We want a quantity inspection. Do you agree
:32:56. > :32:58.there is a Savile-like tsunami of filth about to hit the House of
:32:59. > :33:03.Commons? Simon has done powerful work on this. His investigations of
:33:04. > :33:07.Cyril Smith have led him to broader questions. We also need to be
:33:08. > :33:12.careful about innuendo. We have to take this step by step and not throw
:33:13. > :33:16.out allegations. We saw that in some of the previous concerns about this.
:33:17. > :33:19.I would, in terms of politicians, in terms of the media, we have to be
:33:20. > :33:24.ruthless about getting to the truth of this. We also have to be clear
:33:25. > :33:27.about people's reputations and take this in a step by step manner. Thank
:33:28. > :33:30.you very much for joining us this morning.
:33:31. > :33:32.Of all the British theatre directors who've
:33:33. > :33:35.made their mark in recent years, Marianne Elliott really stands out.
:33:36. > :33:38.Her career has combined critical success with box office gold.
:33:39. > :33:41.She's the woman who directed the juggernaut that is War Horse,
:33:42. > :33:44.taking it from the National Theatre to the international stage.
:33:45. > :33:47.Last year she directed Kim Cattrall to great acclaim
:33:48. > :33:52.One of her signature successes has been The Curious Incident of the Dog
:33:53. > :33:58.The play that made news headlines for all the wrong reasons last year.
:33:59. > :34:01.Marianne joins me now along with Graham Butler,
:34:02. > :34:16.You want to put more on to the theatre than has traditionally been
:34:17. > :34:22.done. Is this because you are trying to bring in a generation who are
:34:23. > :34:27.used to CGI effects from television and film? No, not necessarily. I
:34:28. > :34:32.just like to do something that is exciting and I like to challenge
:34:33. > :34:38.myself and I try and do something very different from the last show.
:34:39. > :34:41.It is trying to push the envelope. Curious seems to have as much dance
:34:42. > :34:47.in it as traditional acting. Is that part of the attempt to explain to
:34:48. > :34:52.the audience what having Asperger's must feel like? It is. In the book,
:34:53. > :34:56.what is tricky about the book is it's first person, so it is this
:34:57. > :35:00.beautiful boy's voice. You imagine that you are Christopher when you
:35:01. > :35:05.are reading the book. That was our biggest challenge when we put it on
:35:06. > :35:10.the stage. I felt like you really needed to understand what he saw and
:35:11. > :35:16.how he experienced things, so going into a very busy train station, I
:35:17. > :35:21.wanted the audience to know that he felt very overwhelmed by all the
:35:22. > :35:24.signs and all the people and very crowded... You had to make the
:35:25. > :35:29.familiar world unfamiliar to the audience? Exactly. Graham, you have
:35:30. > :35:34.had the chance having just taken over the role. How did you get into
:35:35. > :35:44.the mindset of someone with his condition? Partly we have the
:35:45. > :35:49.amazing blueprint of the book and the faithful script and it is very
:35:50. > :35:54.sparse and Christopher, from that first person narrative, sees the
:35:55. > :35:59.world in that very different way. He deals in facts and very little else.
:36:00. > :36:04.On top of that, we had some incredibly generous people from
:36:05. > :36:09.Southland School and the Tree House School and met a number of people
:36:10. > :36:13.that were happy to help us. The roof fell in literally - I was in the
:36:14. > :36:19.theatre when it happened. I can remember it very well. How are you
:36:20. > :36:23.going to change - how is the new production different from the one
:36:24. > :36:29.that Ruz rudely interrupted? -- that was rudely interrupted? We are in
:36:30. > :36:33.the Gielgud now, a slightly bigger theatre. There are certain moments
:36:34. > :36:36.when he does this journey to London. Christopher has never been outside
:36:37. > :36:40.his street before on his own, but there is one moment in the piece
:36:41. > :36:44.where he decides he's got to find somebody and he takes the journey
:36:45. > :36:49.from Swindon to London. He does it on his own. That journey to London
:36:50. > :36:52.is slightly more heightened I suppose than it has been before
:36:53. > :36:58.because each time we do it, we try and polish and make it... You push
:36:59. > :37:01.it harder. Yes. What about that extraordinary evening? You did
:37:02. > :37:06.productions for the emergency services who came to rescue people?
:37:07. > :37:10.We did. How did it feel? It was an amazing time. It was hugely
:37:11. > :37:14.traumatic, the night that the roof fell in. But what the National
:37:15. > :37:20.managed to do, which was extraordinary, was use all those
:37:21. > :37:26.brilliant actors who were then out of work and we did a pop-up version
:37:27. > :37:30.in Stratford Town Hall in daylight and we invited lots of kids from
:37:31. > :37:36.local schools, some of which had never been to the theatre before, to
:37:37. > :37:40.see the show free and then we went to a rehearsal room and did a pop-up
:37:41. > :37:45.version for all the emergency services that were involved that
:37:46. > :37:49.night. In Graham you have a great young British actor, taking the
:37:50. > :37:54.stage. We seeing more and more more on the West End stage people coming
:37:55. > :38:00.in from film and television. It seems can't do Shakespeare unless
:38:01. > :38:03.you have a Hollywood or HBO star. You have worked with Kim Cattrall.
:38:04. > :38:09.You worried about the lack of opportunities for the top emerging
:38:10. > :38:15.British actors on the West End? Not necessarily. I am very lucky I at
:38:16. > :38:21.the National Theatre which is subsidised and there less emphasis
:38:22. > :38:27.there because it's a commercial to have. That means we can people who
:38:28. > :38:30.are either experienced, or have been to really good schools. The one
:38:31. > :38:33.worrying thing is that drama schools are expensive and it is difficult to
:38:34. > :38:39.go there unless you have the financial means. It becomes a
:38:40. > :38:47.narrower profession? Yes. You get back to the fact that almost all the
:38:48. > :38:52.tough guys came from Eton! Yes. What about the great huge global success
:38:53. > :38:55.of War Horse? The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night Time is a
:38:56. > :39:00.tougher sell. Is that going to go global as well? Why do you think it
:39:01. > :39:04.is a tougher sell? It is dark, it doesn't have the great big emotions
:39:05. > :39:12.produced by the horses who make everybody cry. I don't know. I think
:39:13. > :39:15.The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night Time is as emotional
:39:16. > :39:20.because Christopher, he can't articulate or tell us how he feels,
:39:21. > :39:25.the physicality of the production should transmit his huge emotional
:39:26. > :39:27.life. It is a wonderful show. Very good luck to both of you. Thank you
:39:28. > :39:30.for coming in. Eight years ago, a Conservative MP
:39:31. > :39:32.wrote a book arguing that the forces of militant Islamism were
:39:33. > :39:36.determined to wage a war upon the West, which he described
:39:37. > :39:39.as 'the conflict of our times'. He compared the Islamist threat with
:39:40. > :39:43.that posed by communism and fascism, Well, the writer was Michael Gove -
:39:44. > :39:49.now Education Secretary. And he may have felt vindicated last
:39:50. > :39:53.week - hearing these chilling words, from an interview with one
:39:54. > :40:05.of the hundreds of British jihadis, I don't want to come back to what I
:40:06. > :40:09.left behind. There is nothing in Britain. It is pure evil. If and
:40:10. > :40:14.when I come back to Britain, it will be when this Islamic State come to
:40:15. > :40:17.conquer Britain and I come to raise the black flag of Islam over Downing
:40:18. > :40:21.Street, over Buckingham Palace, over Tower Bridge and over Big Ben.
:40:22. > :40:24.Well, the dispute between Michael Gove and Theresa May, over how to
:40:25. > :40:26.tackle extremism, was the most serious Cabinet row to break out in
:40:27. > :40:27.public, since this government took office.
:40:28. > :40:36.But before we discuss all that, let's start with that very worrying
:40:37. > :40:45.child abuse story that's swirling around Westminster.
:40:46. > :40:50.There will be great public concern and unease about what has happened
:40:51. > :40:53.at the top of politics? Understandable concern. The Prime
:40:54. > :40:58.Minister and the Home Secretary have been clear we need to get to the
:40:59. > :41:01.bottom of this. That is why they have instructed the Permanent
:41:02. > :41:04.Secretary at the Home Office to get an independent lawyer to look at the
:41:05. > :41:08.handling of these individual cases. It has also been the case that my
:41:09. > :41:12.department and Jeremy Hunt's department have been looking at some
:41:13. > :41:16.of the historic examples of child abuse and the need to improve child
:41:17. > :41:21.protection. We are reviewing within the Department for Education what we
:41:22. > :41:25.can do to keep children safe now. It is important both that we analyse
:41:26. > :41:30.what has happened in the past but also it is really important that we
:41:31. > :41:34.ensure that those who are keeping children safe now are supported.
:41:35. > :41:37.Given the suspicion, the toxic idea that politicians have been hiding
:41:38. > :41:41.this stuff up for a long time, there will have to be a public inquiry?
:41:42. > :41:44.What will put people's minds at rest is making sure we investigate
:41:45. > :41:48.properly what happened in the past. It is also important to draw a
:41:49. > :41:52.distinction between... I must press you. With a public inquiry, so we
:41:53. > :41:57.can hear the evidence? The most important thing that we need to do
:41:58. > :42:00.is to make sure the work is proportionate and focussed and we
:42:01. > :42:03.look at those allegations which cause real and genuine concern. We
:42:04. > :42:06.need to accept as well that if people do have specific concerns
:42:07. > :42:08.about individuals or about practices they should bring them to the
:42:09. > :42:14.police. The most important thing that we need to do is to ensure that
:42:15. > :42:18.the due process of law pursues those who may be guilty of individual
:42:19. > :42:21.crimes. Indeed. We also learn lessons about what may or may not
:42:22. > :42:24.have gone wrong in the past, but it is also important to emphasise that
:42:25. > :42:30.many of the allegations that are being made are historic. What we do
:42:31. > :42:36.now to keep children safer is better and stronger than was the case when
:42:37. > :42:43.20 or 30 years ago. Without getting into a boring tit-for-tat, public
:42:44. > :42:46.inquiry, "yes" or "no"? No. When you read all this stuff about Birmingham
:42:47. > :42:50.schools, how much do you know has gone wrong in some of these schools?
:42:51. > :42:53.How much of this is media speculation and overhyped? A lot of
:42:54. > :42:57.the people from the schools blame the media, then the politicians and
:42:58. > :43:05.say it is not as bad as we are told? We all have to be careful and wait.
:43:06. > :43:09.Again, there is a lot of speculation in the media about what may or may
:43:10. > :43:15.not have gone on in individual schools and in other cities. We have
:43:16. > :43:19.asked Peter Clarke, who is one of our most senior officers, to
:43:20. > :43:22.investigate some of these allegations. We know already from
:43:23. > :43:25.what Ofsted said about what was happening in schools that there were
:43:26. > :43:31.unacceptable practices with individuals who clearly had a
:43:32. > :43:34.conservative religious agenda who were intimidating very good teachers
:43:35. > :43:37.and head teachers and forcing them to comply with that agenda or to
:43:38. > :43:41.leave. There are broader questions about the extent to which these
:43:42. > :43:44.activities were coordinated and the extent to which those responsible
:43:45. > :43:51.for these activities may have had a broader agenda. Peter is looking
:43:52. > :43:53.into that. And about what Birmingham Council knew about this ten years
:43:54. > :43:56.ago? That's true. There are questions for the local authority
:43:57. > :44:01.and for my department, the Department for Education, about what
:44:02. > :44:04.was known and what was done. It is important that we give Peter Clarke
:44:05. > :44:08.the room and the space to do that. There was some criticism at the
:44:09. > :44:16.beginning of this process when I appointed Peter. People felt it was
:44:17. > :44:21.somehow too dramatic an authoritarian a step. If you have a
:44:22. > :44:25.police officer of unimpeachable integrity to conduct these
:44:26. > :44:28.investigations, if people are cleared, given a clean bill of
:44:29. > :44:31.health, that is the most effective way of ensuring that public
:44:32. > :44:38.confidence can be restored. This goes to the heart of the dilemma.
:44:39. > :44:43.What is pre-terrorism, what has taken people on the path to jihad
:44:44. > :44:49.and violence here at home and what is acceptable if unconventional
:44:50. > :44:52.religious thinking. Can a police officer distinguish between those
:44:53. > :44:55.two things? A police officer can. The Prime Minister has been clear
:44:56. > :45:00.about how to draw that distinction. Should we draw the distinction? Yes.
:45:01. > :45:11.If a school is teaching that infidels are to be despised, that
:45:12. > :45:14.Western women are slags, and must be covered facially when they are going
:45:15. > :45:15.around town, is that the acceptable message to be going out in any
:45:16. > :45:32.British school? that could be said by somebody who
:45:33. > :45:36.was a highly Conservative Muslim but had no interest in terrorism. It is
:45:37. > :45:43.absolutely true we need to draw a distinction between deep religious
:45:44. > :45:47.faith and extremism. In the book that I wrote and in the way the
:45:48. > :45:54.Coalition government has operated since then, we do draw that
:45:55. > :46:01.distinction. All schools should prepare children for life in modern
:46:02. > :46:06.Britain. People can hold deeply religious Conservative views but
:46:07. > :46:10.think that person might be an appropriate as a proprietor of the
:46:11. > :46:14.school or it would be wrong to disseminate those views in the
:46:15. > :46:18.classroom, but it is also possible that that individual with those
:46:19. > :46:22.views, while we think it would be wrong for them to be a teacher or a
:46:23. > :46:28.headteacher could hold those views and could not lead anyone on the
:46:29. > :46:32.path to terror. It is also important to recognise that when we are
:46:33. > :46:37.talking about this, it is critical we recognise that Islam is a great
:46:38. > :46:43.faith which brings spiritual nourishment to millions, inspires
:46:44. > :46:47.daily acts of generosity. Islamism is a perversion of Islam, in the
:46:48. > :46:53.same way Communism is a perversion of socialism and fascism as a
:46:54. > :46:58.perversion of nationalism. In your book, you say that some of these
:46:59. > :47:03.highly Conservative views are bit like the nationalist views which
:47:04. > :47:08.produced the brownshirts. You are making a parallel, it is only a
:47:09. > :47:12.parallel but you do make the link between these Conservative views and
:47:13. > :47:15.jihadists views. I think there is a difference between someone with
:47:16. > :47:21.religious Conservative views and someone who wants to see those views
:47:22. > :47:25.pushed onto others. When we talk about Islamism, that form of
:47:26. > :47:31.extremism, the Prime Minister made it clear in the speech he gave at
:47:32. > :47:39.the Munich Security conference in 2011 that there are thinkers, like
:47:40. > :47:46.the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood, who take traditional
:47:47. > :47:51.Islamic doctrines and twist them into a political message which they
:47:52. > :47:54.seek to impose and we have to draw that distinction fairly, because
:47:55. > :48:02.unless we draw that distinction and deal with them by countering it and
:48:03. > :48:06.saying that we believe in an open, modern and liberal democracy in
:48:07. > :48:11.which it is perfectly legitimate to have private beliefs, but by mail --
:48:12. > :48:15.no means should you attempt to impose them on others, and we
:48:16. > :48:24.believe that if you are going to make a success of a multi ethnic,
:48:25. > :48:28.multicultural society, we do it with respect for others' beliefs and
:48:29. > :48:33.respect for our Parliamentary institutions. And the slight paradox
:48:34. > :48:39.that we have to stumped down the message of tolerance. This is the
:48:40. > :48:46.key insight that one of the great liberal thinkers put forward that in
:48:47. > :48:58.order to safeguard intolerance, -- safeguard tolerance, we have to be
:48:59. > :49:02.tolerant of others. This is what you call draining the swamp and we have
:49:03. > :49:07.to root out people who hold those views from our society? We need to
:49:08. > :49:13.challenge those views and we need to make sure that people who have views
:49:14. > :49:20.who wish to choose institutions to push and agenda are not in a
:49:21. > :49:24.position where they can use public money in order to push their views.
:49:25. > :49:29.But they are at the moment, aren't they? I want to make sure we can
:49:30. > :49:33.deal with this problem wherever it arises, and look for the evidence
:49:34. > :49:37.and follow the evidence. We know that in the past there have been
:49:38. > :49:43.people in this country, preachers of hate and others, who have attempted,
:49:44. > :49:48.as we heard from the earlier piece of audio, who have attempted and
:49:49. > :49:54.succeeded to poison young minds. How worried are you now about the
:49:55. > :49:59.situation with people returning from what is now the caliphate? In your
:50:00. > :50:08.book you said it would be a global disaster if Iraq fell, it now more
:50:09. > :50:12.or less has. How concerned are you? I am concerned and the Prime
:50:13. > :50:17.Minister, the Home Secretary and the Foreign Secretary are concerned. I
:50:18. > :50:22.don't think any Home Secretary has been as vigilant dealing with the
:50:23. > :50:27.caliphate as Theresa May and it is now the case that this region poses
:50:28. > :50:32.a greater threat to our security than other regions in the past like
:50:33. > :50:38.the Horn of Africa and the Afghanistan Pakistan border area. We
:50:39. > :50:42.need to be clear that it is inappropriate for people, whatever
:50:43. > :50:48.they feel about the tragedy going on there, to travel to that region
:50:49. > :50:52.because they are entering an incubation zone which is incredibly
:50:53. > :50:57.dangerous. Theresa May has been clear about that and it has also
:50:58. > :50:59.been the case that a number of progressive and moderate Islamic
:51:00. > :51:03.figures have made that clear during the course of this week and I think
:51:04. > :51:11.that is very welcome and it is a feature of what has happened since
:51:12. > :51:15.the Prime Minister in 2011... That more and more progressive figures
:51:16. > :51:21.have been clear about this. Do we need more new laws? We always need
:51:22. > :51:25.to keep the laws under review but it is important to use the laws that we
:51:26. > :51:31.have energetically. What changes are going to see in the classroom as a
:51:32. > :51:41.result of your involvement? One of the things that has been debated is
:51:42. > :51:47.that... I think it is important that they make sure those who run schools
:51:48. > :51:52.know their responsibility to prepare people for life in modern Britain.
:51:53. > :51:58.It is critically important, we know that sometimes activities in schools
:51:59. > :52:05.can sometimes take place and then when the inspector comes to court,
:52:06. > :52:10.if the inspector gives notice those activities can be covered up. It has
:52:11. > :52:14.been made clear that we will guarantee not just a stronger set of
:52:15. > :52:18.tools to deal with some of these issues but we will also be better at
:52:19. > :52:23.ensuring high quality teaching and good discipline if we have no notice
:52:24. > :52:29.inspections. You have spoken about this as being a culture war between
:52:30. > :52:33.the west and intolerance, has it been fought well? Yes, it is
:52:34. > :52:36.striking that in the past there was an attempt to say that the only way
:52:37. > :52:41.in which we could deal with this problem is if we dealt with
:52:42. > :52:49.extremism when it became violent, and we waited too late. We have
:52:50. > :52:52.meetings of all kinds popping up around the country, people are
:52:53. > :52:57.saying the rhetoric is good but nothing has happened. An enormous
:52:58. > :53:01.amount has changed, as a result of the leadership the Prime Minister
:53:02. > :53:06.has shown and the work the task force has done. Theresa May has been
:53:07. > :53:13.more vigorous in stopping hate preachers coming to this country
:53:14. > :53:19.than any predecessor. I think she has done a very good job in this
:53:20. > :53:22.area. It is also the case that if we look at the way in which the Prime
:53:23. > :53:26.Minister has sought to focus particularly on dealing with
:53:27. > :53:30.everything from supplementary schools to the radicalisation that
:53:31. > :53:34.occurs in prison, I don't think there has been anyone in Number Ten
:53:35. > :53:40.who has gripped this issue with the authority he has. Let's return to
:53:41. > :53:43.education. I don't know if you heard Tristram Hunt replying to your
:53:44. > :53:51.letter, were you happy with that reply? He is lukewarm on free
:53:52. > :53:55.schools and we know that free schools are outperforming other
:53:56. > :54:01.schools... We know that there are problems with free schools. There
:54:02. > :54:04.are problems but free schools are outperforming other schools, they
:54:05. > :54:11.are twice as likely to be outstanding schools operating under
:54:12. > :54:15.the Ofsted framework outstanding schools operating under
:54:16. > :54:21.clear about the need for teachers to be in the classroom and not striking
:54:22. > :54:23.this Thursday. We need a clear consensus. It is our responsibility
:54:24. > :54:27.to put consensus. It is our responsibility
:54:28. > :54:37.why I think no teacher should be on strike. Tristram's heart is in the
:54:38. > :54:52.right place... You disagree about that, but now he is talking about
:54:53. > :54:55.of that? He is beginning to sound like Michael Gove light. I felt this
:54:56. > :54:59.glow of warm like a tutor who sees a student at last when the penny drops
:55:00. > :55:06.are accepting what he has been arguing for the last four or five
:55:07. > :55:11.years! I hope in the next year or so that he will accept that all of our
:55:12. > :55:15.changes are right. I doubt it. On that cheerfully condescending note,
:55:16. > :55:21.we will finish the conversation and now the news headlines.
:55:22. > :55:30.It has emerged that 114 files now the news headlines.
:55:31. > :55:32.reviewing child abuse allegations in Westminster in the 1980s are
:55:33. > :55:38.missing. The most senior civil servant at the Home Office said the
:55:39. > :55:44.files, which cover a 20 year period, are presumed destroyed,
:55:45. > :55:47.missing or not found. The Prime Minister has appointed an
:55:48. > :55:51.independent lawyer to investigate what happened. Speaking on this
:55:52. > :55:56.programme, the Education Secretary is ruled out a public enquiry into
:55:57. > :55:59.allegations of sex abuse involving figures at Westminster. He said if
:56:00. > :56:04.people have specific concerns they should take them to the police.
:56:05. > :56:08.Labour 's education spokesman Tristram Hunt said politicians had a
:56:09. > :56:13.duty to be ruthless in finding out the truth of what has happened, but
:56:14. > :56:18.he said where people 's reputations were at stake it was important to
:56:19. > :56:22.take a careful step-by-step approach. In the Tour de France it
:56:23. > :56:26.has just been announced that top British cyclist Mark Cavendish has
:56:27. > :56:36.pulled out of the race after sustaining an injury in the crash
:56:37. > :56:39.yesterday. Thousands of people are again lining the route of the tour
:56:40. > :56:41.as the cyclist face some of their toughest climbs. Yesterday crowds
:56:42. > :56:46.including the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge descended on Yorkshire to
:56:47. > :56:51.get a fleeting glimpse of the racers passing through the county. The next
:56:52. > :56:58.news is on BBC One at one o'clock, back to you in a moment, Andrew, but
:56:59. > :57:02.first let's look at what is coming the programme.
:57:03. > :57:06.There are now so many medical experiments on dogs that we are
:57:07. > :57:10.having to import them, do animals still belong in the laboratory?
:57:11. > :57:18.Ahead of the British grand prix, Murray Walker chats to us about life
:57:19. > :57:22.and death, and spills a secret too. Sad news about Mark Cavendish.
:57:23. > :57:24.Good morning. That's all we have time
:57:25. > :57:26.for this week. Thanks to all my guests.
:57:27. > :57:29.Join me again at the same time next Sunday for
:57:30. > :57:31.another packed programme including the Archbishop of Canterbury,
:57:32. > :57:33.plus those splendid actors Bill Nighy and Carey Mulligan.
:57:34. > :57:35.But for now, we leave you with the national
:57:36. > :57:37.rhythm of Brazil - the samba. Courtesy of Brasil Brasileiro,
:57:38. > :57:41.opening this week at Sadler's Wells Theatre in London.