:00:37. > :00:39.Is there anyone more disconsolate this Sunday than England's football
:00:40. > :00:41.squad, sitting around waiting to watch the
:00:42. > :00:47.The even-less-happy bunnies who are failing government ministers sitting
:00:48. > :00:49.around waiting for the call from Number Ten heralding
:00:50. > :00:58.He, by the way, has chosen this damp Sunday
:00:59. > :01:02.for his summer barbeque at Chequers - that should be a fun gathering.
:01:03. > :01:05.And joining me today for our review of the Sunday newspapers, the former
:01:06. > :01:07.Cabinet Minister David Mellor, the TUC's General Secretary, Frances
:01:08. > :01:14.O'Grady, and the Scottish political commentator, Ruth Wishart.
:01:15. > :01:19.England has another parliament or at least a national assembly.
:01:20. > :01:21.Far away from Westminster, up in York, the General Synod of
:01:22. > :01:24.the Church of England kicks off its annual gathering and rather like the
:01:25. > :01:27.Commons, its members are going to be debating the position of women,
:01:28. > :01:33.poverty, inequality and the misdemeanours of the powerful.
:01:34. > :01:36.In a rare interview, I've been talking to the Archbishop
:01:37. > :01:38.of Canterbury about schisms, women bishops, gay marriage,
:01:39. > :01:49.As Westminster waits for David Cameron's reshuffle,
:01:50. > :01:52.the arguments there have been about privatisation, economic growth, and
:01:53. > :01:57.We haven't heard a lot from Vince Cable, the business secretary,
:01:58. > :02:02.since he was accused of involvement in a plot against Nick Clegg.
:02:03. > :02:06.I'm delighted to say he joins us live in the studio this morning.
:02:07. > :02:09.And we've been speaking to two of our greatest actors about the
:02:10. > :02:16.Bill Nighy and Carey Mulligan in David Hare's Skylight.
:02:17. > :02:20.The rest of the country can't see it?
:02:21. > :02:27.Finally, Jerry Dammers, ex- of the Specials, with a huge orchestra
:02:28. > :02:54.Palestinian officials say 17 members of the same family were
:02:55. > :02:56.killed when Israeli missiles destroyed a home in Gaza belonging
:02:57. > :03:00.These latest strikes have taken the Palestinian death toll to
:03:01. > :03:03.Overnight, Israeli ground troops entered Gaza for the first time.
:03:04. > :03:05.The Foreign Secretary William Hague is calling
:03:06. > :03:07.for an immediate de-escalation in the violence on both sides, and
:03:08. > :03:26.The Israeli air assault against Hamas has widened and continued
:03:27. > :03:34.overnight. Recent strikes included a home for disabled people where
:03:35. > :03:39.mourners dog to recover the bodies of two women. Meanwhile rockets from
:03:40. > :03:42.Gaza reached further into Israel. This latest crisis began last month
:03:43. > :03:48.after the abduction and killing of three Israeli teenagers and the
:03:49. > :03:51.suspected revenge killing of a Palestinian boy. The Foreign
:03:52. > :03:56.Secretary, William Hague, will discuss the need for what he
:03:57. > :04:01.described as urgent, concerted action with his foreign counterparts
:04:02. > :04:04.later. The United Nations says more than three quarters of the
:04:05. > :04:10.Palestinians killed so far in this campaign were civilians and has
:04:11. > :04:13.called for a cease-fire. But with both sides insistent that they are
:04:14. > :04:15.protecting their own people, there's no sign of any willingness to stop
:04:16. > :04:18.their attacks. Our correspondent
:04:19. > :04:30.Quentin Sommerville is in Tel Aviv. The latest is that there were more
:04:31. > :04:36.air raid sirens here in Tel Aviv and across Israel in anticipation of
:04:37. > :04:40.more rockets coming from Gaza. In Gaza, we have heard that thousands
:04:41. > :04:47.of Palestinians fleeing their homes in the north of the Gaza Strip in
:04:48. > :04:50.anticipation of Israeli air strikes. The Israel military dropped leaflets
:04:51. > :04:55.warning that the area would be bombed. The reason they are fleeing
:04:56. > :04:57.is because, as you saw in your introduction, quite often where the
:04:58. > :05:04.air strikes happen, civilians, women, children, the elderly, they
:05:05. > :05:09.end up being the casualties. 17 members of one family, the chief of
:05:10. > :05:14.police of Hamas's family, were killed last night, and his condition
:05:15. > :05:18.is unknown. As the rockets keep flying into Israel and missiles go
:05:19. > :05:20.back, international calls for a cease-fire are being heard but
:05:21. > :05:23.neither side seems willing to cooperate.
:05:24. > :05:26.Members of the Church of England's ruling body, the Synod, are
:05:27. > :05:29.preparing for one of their biggest decisions, tomorrow's final vote on
:05:30. > :05:32.Supporters of the proposal have expressed cautious optimism that
:05:33. > :05:36.the Church's top jobs will be opened to women 20 years after they were
:05:37. > :05:44.The proposals were narrowly rejected in November 2012.
:05:45. > :05:47.The government is expanding a pilot scheme to help people with
:05:48. > :05:49.mental health problems get treatment earlier, as it tries to
:05:50. > :05:52.increase the numbers in work and reduce the benefits bill.
:05:53. > :05:54.One trial started last month and three others will commence
:05:55. > :06:01.A source close to the Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan
:06:02. > :06:03.Smith has denied reports that he'd like to make mental health
:06:04. > :06:10.assessments mandatory for people on some benefits.
:06:11. > :06:13.I'll be back with the headlines just before ten o'clock.
:06:14. > :06:30.The torrent of filth, or the Sunday newspapers as we call them. I
:06:31. > :06:37.supplied underaged rent boys for Tory ministers says some bloke. Less
:06:38. > :06:41.filth in the Sunday Telegraph as Tony Blair must explain the IRA
:06:42. > :06:44.deals as a select committee called a former Prime Minister to account
:06:45. > :06:52.over deals with runaway IRA prisoners. The Sunday Times is still
:06:53. > :06:57.doggedly pursuing Fifa, and the Independent on Sunday has a story
:06:58. > :07:03.about child abuse victims suing the government. The Mail on Sunday
:07:04. > :07:10.getting cross with Channel 4. And also a shocking story about Harry
:07:11. > :07:14.Stiles who is splitting from his own hair and he will be performing
:07:15. > :07:21.without the rest of him. And more filth in the Sunday People, Thatcher
:07:22. > :07:26.in a child abuse cover-up, a shocking story if true. David
:07:27. > :07:31.Mellor, today is a reshuffle coming up, so how important is it to the
:07:32. > :07:34.coalition? Very important because it is the last one before the general
:07:35. > :07:39.election. It has been heavily briefed. We look at the Sunday
:07:40. > :07:42.Times, and we have a female card being played in the reshuffle.
:07:43. > :07:48.Number ten have been briefing on this. My only worry about this is
:07:49. > :07:53.getting rid of old white men in suits, a caveat I might come back
:07:54. > :07:57.to, but he is getting rid of several old white men in suits in favour of
:07:58. > :08:03.women. My only problem is that the briefing is almost a bit cynical.
:08:04. > :08:06.It's the guy buying the library who said instead he would like this,
:08:07. > :08:14.bring me three yards of books. These poor women, it is too obvious, and
:08:15. > :08:20.the other thing I have to say with respect to your noted guest, the
:08:21. > :08:24.ultimate old white Man In A Suit who maybe should have received his
:08:25. > :08:31.pension is Vince Cable after the mess up over the Royal Mail,
:08:32. > :08:33.castigated again for a Parliamentary -- by a Parliamentary select
:08:34. > :08:39.committee for having lost as ?1 billion. You can't touch him.
:08:40. > :08:43.Although Vince has been pretty unpleasing to Nick Clegg, apparently
:08:44. > :08:47.Mr Clegg is not ready to retaliate. We will await and see until the
:08:48. > :08:51.autumn when the Liberal Democrat comes in. Ruth Wishart, you are a
:08:52. > :08:54.big pro-supporter of independence, and there was a poll on Sunday
:08:55. > :09:01.suggesting things had got tougher for the yes campaign in the last few
:09:02. > :09:05.weeks. Flat-lining rather than shaking. What Scotland on Sunday
:09:06. > :09:09.says this morning is that the yes vote is down by two percentage
:09:10. > :09:13.points and the no percentage is up by 2%. That is within the margin of
:09:14. > :09:17.error. But it's true to say there has been a stalling in the momentum
:09:18. > :09:21.for the yes campaign and I think it might be because there has been a
:09:22. > :09:27.raft of promises made by the Unionist camps. Tax-raising powers
:09:28. > :09:30.for the parliament and all that. One wonders why that was such a good
:09:31. > :09:35.idea, these extra powers, why they would not put them on the ballot
:09:36. > :09:42.paper. We know Mr Cameron would not call it devolution max -- allow
:09:43. > :09:45.devolution max on the ballot paper. I think two thirds of Scots would
:09:46. > :09:51.have gone to that, which is why it's not on the ballot paper. One final
:09:52. > :09:54.question, you are a Glasgow woman, how much is the hype around the
:09:55. > :09:57.Commonwealth games going to affect people 's view, if at all? I don't
:09:58. > :10:06.think so, but there is a huge people 's view, if at all? I don't
:10:07. > :10:09.in terms of Great Britain when everybody's heart beat a little
:10:10. > :10:11.faster, some of a lot of Scottish jerseys were standing on a podium
:10:12. > :10:14.there might be jerseys were standing on a podium
:10:15. > :10:19.temporarily, but I don't think that is what is worrying. This issue will
:10:20. > :10:25.be decided as ever on things like the economy. Frances O'Grady, your
:10:26. > :10:29.first story is about moral capitalism, a call for moral
:10:30. > :10:34.capitalism from another archbishop. No, this one is from the Pope. He is
:10:35. > :10:41.a kind of archbishop, I suppose. That's a bit controversial. He has
:10:42. > :10:44.called a summit on wanting to world a more moral capitalism, and I think
:10:45. > :10:50.it is interesting that many faith leaders are now questioning the
:10:51. > :10:55.model of capitalism that we have. The sense that inequality has become
:10:56. > :11:01.so extreme with 140 national companies owning 40% of the wealth
:11:02. > :11:06.of the world, and famously, in Britain, queues outside food banks
:11:07. > :11:07.and payday lenders. Interestingly as well, there
:11:08. > :11:10.and payday lenders. Interestingly as United States, in some quarters,
:11:11. > :11:18.that this is pure Marxism, United States, in some quarters,
:11:19. > :11:24.leading to coalitions like the campaign for a living wage here in
:11:25. > :11:27.Britain, involving faith groups across the piece, trade unions,
:11:28. > :11:30.community groups, and they all have a real sense of the grassroots
:11:31. > :11:34.reaction against these levels of inequality. Later I will totally
:11:35. > :11:39.Archbishop of Canterbury, and what inequality. Later I will totally
:11:40. > :11:47.he says all about this. He is excited about rich people involving
:11:48. > :11:49.themselves about legal tax avoidance, heaving sick should not
:11:50. > :11:55.be done. Is that the next big battle? That is one of them -- is
:11:56. > :11:59.that something that should not be done. Is that the next big battle?
:12:00. > :12:03.There is also the unbridled free-market which is pleading not to
:12:04. > :12:09.stop the poor and ordinary working people. What are those practical
:12:10. > :12:13.solutions to deal with it? The Royal Mail privatisation has been one of
:12:14. > :12:17.the great problems but the government has faced recently and
:12:18. > :12:20.you have a story about that. The Royal Mail fiasco is bad for the
:12:21. > :12:26.sell-off says the Mail on Sunday. It is typical of a whole lot of
:12:27. > :12:30.comment. Shares in the Royal Mail have never been below a third above
:12:31. > :12:34.what it was sold out, and I think it is curious, particularly that
:12:35. > :12:39.somebody like Vince Cable, who is as critical of other colleagues, you
:12:40. > :12:43.would expect him to get it right. He chose advisers, who won the obvious
:12:44. > :12:48.ones, and then he allowed them, it is said behind the Chinese wall, not
:12:49. > :12:52.only to set the price, which was too low, but then buy in on a privileged
:12:53. > :12:58.basis, meaning that the ordinary punters did not get shares. This was
:12:59. > :13:02.allegedly to stabilise the issue so there was long-term shareholdings.
:13:03. > :13:06.As soon as the boys saw the shares go up through the roof, they
:13:07. > :13:11.couldn't wait to sell. That reads across to what Frances O'Grady just
:13:12. > :13:17.said. Just jumping, MPs say it has cost the taxpayer at least ?1
:13:18. > :13:20.billion. -- just to jump in. Sorry I am stepping outside of my
:13:21. > :13:24.traditional thought process here, but there was a strike on Thursday
:13:25. > :13:29.by certain public sector workers who were held down to 1%, below the rise
:13:30. > :13:32.in the cost of living, so to command the moral high ground would be quite
:13:33. > :13:37.good of the government dealt with bankers still with their nose in the
:13:38. > :13:41.trough and that will be a problem, because bankers are still claiming
:13:42. > :13:47.bonuses, and this kind of fiasco, this Royal Mail sell-off, of public
:13:48. > :13:52.assets, sold to people who then immediately made disgusting profit.
:13:53. > :13:55.It's not how it should have been. In the 1980s, the privatisations
:13:56. > :14:02.avoided that, so why couldn't Vince Cable? The railways were not a great
:14:03. > :14:06.example. Moving onto the neck story from Frances O'Grady, which is about
:14:07. > :14:12.the Conservative trade union laws -- the next story. Do you think you
:14:13. > :14:15.will face a tranche of new laws? The Prime Minister has already announced
:14:16. > :14:21.he would attempt to lift the threshold for ballots, unique
:14:22. > :14:24.requirement on trade unions, not any other ballot. That is quite popular
:14:25. > :14:29.with the public. What is wrong with that? If only 20% of members in a
:14:30. > :14:33.particular union have voted, should the union be able to hold the public
:14:34. > :14:38.to ransom and go on strike on the basis of the small turnout? I will
:14:39. > :14:39.come onto that because I think unions are the first to come up with
:14:40. > :14:41.ideas about how we can unions are the first to come up with
:14:42. > :14:46.ideas about how we boost the turnout. We were saddled with a very
:14:47. > :14:50.20th century form of balloting, postal balloting, in the 1980s, when
:14:51. > :14:55.we wanted the right to hold secret ballots in workplaces where we knew
:14:56. > :15:00.the turnout would be better. Of course it is difficult, in the 21st
:15:01. > :15:04.century, so why can't we open up safe and secure electronic
:15:05. > :15:08.balloting? We've been lumbered with a system that is old-fashioned, but
:15:09. > :15:11.I think there is a principle here. The public does not support the
:15:12. > :15:15.government getting even tougher on trade unions, in a regime that is
:15:16. > :15:20.one of the toughest in the advanced world, and why should ordinary
:15:21. > :15:26.working people have to meet a higher test than politicians do when it
:15:27. > :15:30.comes to seats in Westminster or local government where we have a
:15:31. > :15:34.turnout of about one third. And famously, the police commissioners
:15:35. > :15:45.who got a turnout of around 15% or less. The other big story is the
:15:46. > :15:52.assisted dying vote coming up in the House of Lords next week. Archbishop
:15:53. > :15:59.Desmond Tutu, archbishops are all over the place this morning. There
:16:00. > :16:04.is a very good piece in the Observer but we should examine why any of the
:16:05. > :16:10.churches should be allowed to draw the moral parameters of the nation
:16:11. > :16:13.because we are in a largely secular world and whether assisted dying is
:16:14. > :16:19.a good or bad idea is up to the families concerned and not the
:16:20. > :16:22.Church leaders. Having said that you cannot find a more impeachable
:16:23. > :16:29.source than Desmond Tutu. He said he was horrified at the way Nelson
:16:30. > :16:34.Mandela, at the way they strove officiously to keep him alive. He
:16:35. > :16:44.was propped up and used as a national symbol for a long time.
:16:45. > :16:50.Yes, they were around the bedside talking to a man who was beyond
:16:51. > :16:55.sentience thought. I happen to think that if you want somebody on the
:16:56. > :17:00.side of assisted dying you could do a lot worse than Desmond Tutu. Let's
:17:01. > :17:06.move on to the child sex abuse stories, claims of cover-ups in the
:17:07. > :17:16.1980s and one person coming forward saying he will go to the enquiry and
:17:17. > :17:28.spill the beans, is this a serious one, do you think? There is a more
:17:29. > :17:33.substantial story in the Sunday Mirror, the only people named are
:17:34. > :17:39.dead. There is an opportunity to name live people but they don't.
:17:40. > :17:44.There is tittle tattle because when you are dead, if you have relatives
:17:45. > :17:50.who care about your reputation and you can be abused. Mrs Thatcher is
:17:51. > :17:55.alleged to have told a young minister in the 1980s, you have to
:17:56. > :18:04.clean up your sexual act. Can you imagine those words falling from the
:18:05. > :18:14.lips of Mrs Thatcher? The other one, here is a chap who was annoyed he
:18:15. > :18:24.wasn't chosen,, he has come up with improbable names. Michael Haver 's,
:18:25. > :18:29.heavens above! Of course the brother of the lady holding the enquiry. It
:18:30. > :18:42.is now open season because of what I have already announced as a shoddy
:18:43. > :18:47.dossier presented to Leon Brittan, which have very little substance in
:18:48. > :19:00.my view. The interesting thing about that dossier is that no one who is
:19:01. > :19:09.commenting on it has ever seen it. Some of the Labour politicians who
:19:10. > :19:17.are undoubtedly involved in that... The tabloids plainly care about it.
:19:18. > :19:27.They are talking about a paedophile task force to look at which
:19:28. > :19:31.high-profile celebrities are involved, but paedophiles are
:19:32. > :19:37.paedophiles and I don't think anyone cares what they did for a living. I
:19:38. > :19:42.think that is true, and the big problem is in the family where the
:19:43. > :19:48.children are often more intimidated and more scared of speaking up. I
:19:49. > :19:52.think the daily Mirror is brave here because I think it does matter to
:19:53. > :19:58.ordinary people. We are facing concerns of wealth and power leading
:19:59. > :20:04.to at least collusion and possibly cover-ups and we need to know the
:20:05. > :20:09.truth. Norman Tebbit, your former colleague, said last week he thought
:20:10. > :20:13.there had been an establishment cover-up. I don't know if there was
:20:14. > :20:22.or not but I am speaking about my five years in the Home Office, had I
:20:23. > :20:28.known anybody was taking part in paedophile activities I would have
:20:29. > :20:32.denounced them. If he was so sure there was an establishment cover-up,
:20:33. > :20:36.why did we only learned this from him today? Last week. Charging
:20:37. > :20:41.through stories, we must mention what is going on in Palestine
:20:42. > :20:47.because it looks like we are on the edge of another huge civil war. It
:20:48. > :20:51.is quite appalling. I know that it is complex but I have to say that
:20:52. > :20:56.Israel has consistently said this week they will make every effort to
:20:57. > :21:00.avoid civilian casualties. If this is what happens making every
:21:01. > :21:05.effort, heaven help Gaza if they make no effort at all. The
:21:06. > :21:14.Independent on Sunday has an eyewitness account of this home that
:21:15. > :21:18.has been hit. There are well over 100 deaths, numerous casualties, and
:21:19. > :21:23.the idea that you are hiding terrorists in places like disabled
:21:24. > :21:29.hospitals I think is ludicrous. Gaza is such a small place with such a
:21:30. > :21:33.big population, there is nowhere to hide. David, you said disobliging
:21:34. > :21:36.things... hide. David, you said disobliging
:21:37. > :21:50.live, you hide. David, you said disobliging
:21:51. > :21:52.Shamia and said that if I was a young Israeli father
:21:53. > :21:57.Shamia and said that if I was a boys what hope do your policies have
:21:58. > :22:04.of allowing them to live in peace with their neighbours? He said, they
:22:05. > :22:11.are all terrorists. On that chilling note, let's move on. Now onto the
:22:12. > :22:15.weather forecast with Louise. We have seen some rain so typical
:22:16. > :22:19.British summer really, good watering for the gardens through the night
:22:20. > :22:31.and it is an improving picture for most of us today. We will see some
:22:32. > :22:35.brightness most of us today. We will see some
:22:36. > :22:41.some sunny spells coming through, so pleasant enough, and west will be
:22:42. > :22:47.best unlike yesterday. In Scotland, sunny spells and high temperatures
:22:48. > :22:51.of and 19 in Glasgow. sunny spells and high temperatures
:22:52. > :22:52.Ireland and western England not too bad but if
:22:53. > :22:56.Ireland and western England not too Yorkshire, Lincolnshire, across East
:22:57. > :22:59.Anglia as well we could see some Yorkshire, Lincolnshire, across East
:23:00. > :23:07.Anglia as well we could see heavy downpours. Further west, the cloud
:23:08. > :23:11.will continue to break. This high pressure takes over for tomorrow, a
:23:12. > :23:16.beautiful day on prospect but the next area of low pressure moves in
:23:17. > :23:21.bringing range in Northern Ireland and Scotland and in the west and
:23:22. > :23:26.south-west. Still a pleasant day with high temperatures up to 24
:23:27. > :23:35.degrees. Andrew, I can give you a heads up into the end of next week,
:23:36. > :23:39.we could see the magic 30 degrees. Lord preserve us, London already
:23:40. > :23:48.feels like Bombay but not quite as fresh!
:23:49. > :23:51.It's just over a year since the surprise choice of Justin Welby as
:23:52. > :23:55.This relative newcomer to the top echelons of the Church
:23:56. > :23:57.of England has a background in business, a very different figure
:23:58. > :24:00.from anyone who's previously been called to lead Anglicans not only
:24:01. > :24:04.He's inherited a Church with a declining congregation that's
:24:05. > :24:06.wracked by divisions over gay rights, same sex marriage,
:24:07. > :24:08.and most damagingly a bitter split over ordaining women bishops.
:24:09. > :24:11.This divisive issue comes before the Church's General Synod tomorrow.
:24:12. > :24:13.When we met, I asked why a plan to accept women
:24:14. > :24:16.bishops which was rejected a year ago might now be approved.
:24:17. > :24:28.We have gone to principles -based approach which says that we accept
:24:29. > :24:35.there is difference, women will be bishops like all other bishops with
:24:36. > :24:40.no distinction but we will seek for the groups that disagree with the
:24:41. > :24:43.ordination of women bishops on theological grounds to continue to
:24:44. > :24:52.flourish within the Church. It almost looks like you're trying to
:24:53. > :24:56.create a cordial thing between the groups, as if women bishops are
:24:57. > :25:01.toxic, can you see why some women would find that offensive? I can,
:25:02. > :25:05.and the first couple of principles that the house of Bishops have
:25:06. > :25:09.stated is that we have decided women are bishops, it is not open to
:25:10. > :25:16.people to deny the validity of that decision, but we are also saying we
:25:17. > :25:20.are not a political party and organisation where you throw out the
:25:21. > :25:25.ones you disagree with, where the Church is a family and you may
:25:26. > :25:29.disagree with each other but you have to live together because you
:25:30. > :25:33.are family. Members of the Church and commentators I have spoken to
:25:34. > :25:38.seem to think you will win this vote, but if you don't, come the
:25:39. > :25:42.bishops simply impose this and ignore the Senate? What happens if
:25:43. > :25:49.we lose the vote is a matter for the house of Bishops, I cannot dictate
:25:50. > :25:56.it and I am not expecting to face that. The votes I think are there.
:25:57. > :26:04.You cannot impose women bishops? Absolutely not. We will discuss what
:26:05. > :26:08.we will do if we fail in the house of Bishops. David Cameron has spoken
:26:09. > :26:19.out forthrightly about how important this decision is. I think to the
:26:20. > :26:21.general public this is almost incomprehensible and it is equally
:26:22. > :26:28.incomprehensible that we are still talking about it. I hope it will
:26:29. > :26:34.pass, I am not focused on what will happen if it fails. What will be the
:26:35. > :26:39.timescale? There is a good chance of the first women bishops being
:26:40. > :26:43.announced early in 2015, probably being chosen before that, but it
:26:44. > :26:51.depends. Do you think you will see an Archbishop of Canterbury who is a
:26:52. > :27:01.woman in your lifetime? I have no idea, I was -- would be delighted if
:27:02. > :27:04.we did. When it comes to gay marriage you have been on the other
:27:05. > :27:09.side of the argument, can you explain why that is the case? On one
:27:10. > :27:16.side you are saying the culture has moved on, we need women bishops.
:27:17. > :27:22.Theologically the Church has been wrong not to ordain women as priests
:27:23. > :27:27.and bishops over the centuries and I think if you look back at Scripture
:27:28. > :27:33.and the nature of God, if you look particularly the way the early
:27:34. > :27:40.Church organised itself, we got caught up in the culture over the
:27:41. > :27:47.centuries, as churches do. The issue of sexuality I am very loathed to
:27:48. > :27:50.comment on in detail. Yes, I was very clearly against same-sex
:27:51. > :27:57.marriage when the bill came through and the position of the Church
:27:58. > :28:03.remains unchanged on that. But we are beginning a process of guided
:28:04. > :28:07.conversations, shared conversations in the Church, and I just want to
:28:08. > :28:13.let those take their course and not pre-empt the way we are going to
:28:14. > :28:17.emerge from those decisions. I think within Anglicanism we don't have a
:28:18. > :28:22.Pope, I am not some kind of people figure who says this is the way we
:28:23. > :28:27.are going to do it, so actually we listen to the sense of the spirit of
:28:28. > :28:31.God as we go through this process. I know you have been talking to people
:28:32. > :28:35.from the gay community about this issue, and it has been said on some
:28:36. > :28:41.of the websites that they think you have changed your own position
:28:42. > :28:48.personally. To be absolutely clear, I have... I have not been convinced
:28:49. > :28:57.by the arguments for same-sex marriage as marriage. I continue to
:28:58. > :29:02.struggle. You meet people, sit across the room from them, talk to
:29:03. > :29:10.them, some wonderful priests, and your heart goes out to them. Lots of
:29:11. > :29:14.people in unselfish, long-term, profoundly strong relationships.
:29:15. > :29:18.Precisely. Your predecessor Rowan Williams has said he thinks the
:29:19. > :29:26.Church's view on same-sex marriage is not sustainable, do you agree
:29:27. > :29:32.with that? We are in a long period of conversation so by definition it
:29:33. > :29:34.is unstable and that is something we have to deal with. We have a
:29:35. > :29:41.responsibility, everyone, to love and respect the global community of
:29:42. > :29:46.Christians who are part of the family. Part of the worldwide
:29:47. > :29:51.Anglican Communion, particularly in Africa, is out right homophobic and
:29:52. > :29:56.there have been increasing attacks on homosexuals in Africa. Many would
:29:57. > :30:01.say that you should have nothing to do with that and not let it affect
:30:02. > :30:07.your view of what happens in this country. I entirely agree that where
:30:08. > :30:14.there have been homophobic attacks, they are utterly inexcusable in
:30:15. > :30:20.every possible way. But it is not about whether they affect us, it is
:30:21. > :30:25.about the fact that we are called to mutual love across boundaries and
:30:26. > :30:30.that is a complicated thing. There are all these churches in east
:30:31. > :30:36.Africa who think you are profoundly wrong on questions like the
:30:37. > :30:41.ordination of women bishops, they are rising, becoming more and more
:30:42. > :30:45.powerful, as they're bound to be a schism in the Anglican union over
:30:46. > :30:51.these cultural issues? As Christians, we believe we are part
:30:52. > :30:57.of one family, joined inextricably by the choice of God, by our common
:30:58. > :31:02.faith in Christ. Schism is awful, if it happens it happens but are
:31:03. > :31:06.calling is to love one another and find ways of good disagreement in a
:31:07. > :31:14.world that is completely incapable of good disagreement. Can I ask you
:31:15. > :31:18.about a recent controversy here, with pop stars, authors, who have
:31:19. > :31:22.been avoiding paying their tax and staying just in the law but not
:31:23. > :31:29.paying tax? What do you think is the ethical, moral and Christian view of
:31:30. > :31:34.that? Funnily enough there is a passage in the Epistles which says
:31:35. > :31:38.that you must pay your tax and I think people have a duty to make a
:31:39. > :31:43.proper contribution to society that is proportionate to their income.
:31:44. > :31:48.Therefore, if they are doing well, they should pay quite a lot. There
:31:49. > :31:52.have to be serious questions about these tax avoidance schemes. At the
:31:53. > :31:55.same time, the tax system needs to be clear enough and tough enough
:31:56. > :32:02.that the opportunity is not available. It is both sides. You
:32:03. > :32:05.have quoted St John, the one-time Archbishop of Constantinople, who
:32:06. > :32:09.was a political thorn in the side of the authorities, to the effect that
:32:10. > :32:13.if you are wealthy, the money does not belong to you, it belongs to the
:32:14. > :32:17.people generally, and if you hold back money from people poorer than
:32:18. > :32:21.you, you are in effect stealing that money from them, so when you talk
:32:22. > :32:26.about a changing culture, you would like to see a changing culture where
:32:27. > :32:28.wealthy are ashamed if they are not giving a substantial proportion of
:32:29. > :32:33.their wealth to those less fortunate. I would entirely agree
:32:34. > :32:36.with that, and it has been a problem through human history. There are
:32:37. > :32:42.very few of us who find it easy not to have sticky fingers. We all quite
:32:43. > :32:47.like a bit of money. Usually a bit more than we have got. But there is
:32:48. > :32:51.an obligation to the common good and it is not the same as the general
:32:52. > :32:56.interest. It is making sure that the poorest in our society can live
:32:57. > :33:03.dignified lives, worthy of their humanity. You had lots of wealthier
:33:04. > :33:07.colleagues back in the days of the oil industry and banking, so is your
:33:08. > :33:12.message to them, look in the mirror, think about society and put more
:33:13. > :33:16.back? Yes. Pretty straightforward. Thank you very much indeed. Let's
:33:17. > :33:19.move onto one of the other big issues confronting us, because this
:33:20. > :33:23.is a Christian country but you are not getting enough people into
:33:24. > :33:27.church. Meanwhile, is lamb is increasing around the country. Are
:33:28. > :33:30.you one of those who a conflict between Christians and Muslims in
:33:31. > :33:40.the country, a growing religious conflict developing? -- Islam is
:33:41. > :33:45.increasing. There is -- there are areas where for all sorts of reasons
:33:46. > :33:51.there have been more tensions than in the past. For instance, during
:33:52. > :33:59.Lent, I met up with one of the Muslim leaders, and three times he
:34:00. > :34:05.brought a passage from the Koran, and I brought a passage from the
:34:06. > :34:09.Gospel, and we looked at that. There was no sense of conflict there. We
:34:10. > :34:15.disagreed. It was a proper conversation though? It was a
:34:16. > :34:19.proper, good disagreement. The ancient church starts in
:34:20. > :34:23.hospitality, arms open wide to every one and two listening, and to be
:34:24. > :34:28.ready to explain our faith and to do so with grace. If other people want
:34:29. > :34:31.to behave differently, that is fine, but our duty is the grace,
:34:32. > :34:36.hospitality and welcome and love that is and unconditional.
:34:37. > :34:39.Archbishop, that is fine up to a point. There are lots of problems in
:34:40. > :34:41.this country and the Muslim community does not have an
:34:42. > :34:46.Archbishop of Canterbury. It's a different system of hierarchy. Do
:34:47. > :34:51.you think there has been a problem in terms of the hierarchy in
:34:52. > :34:55.combating extremism? You would have to ask them rather than me. Clearly
:34:56. > :34:59.there is an issue with people going to Syria and coming back highly
:35:00. > :35:05.radicalised and there is a problem with radicalisation but the
:35:06. > :35:11.proportion of Muslims who are radicalised is extraordinarily
:35:12. > :35:15.small. And I am just edgy about developing a national culture of
:35:16. > :35:22.fear, because I don't think that gets us anywhere, and I think we are
:35:23. > :35:26.in danger of slipping into a very fearful culture in which we see
:35:27. > :35:29.everyone against us and us against everyone else and we are constantly
:35:30. > :35:34.trying to defend ourselves. This country is bigger than that and
:35:35. > :35:40.better than that. Are we becoming a little hysterical on the subject, in
:35:41. > :35:43.short? I think we've been becoming hysterical about this for a
:35:44. > :35:49.considerable period. And it is a worry because we have huge
:35:50. > :35:54.differences with Islam as Christians, but that's no reason for
:35:55. > :35:57.hostility, quite the reverse. In terms of the competing cultures,
:35:58. > :36:02.it's been suggested, included by your pre-decision that some elements
:36:03. > :36:07.of sharia law should be brought into British law -- your predecessor. I
:36:08. > :36:13.think it is a fundamental principle that English law rests on English
:36:14. > :36:17.jurisprudence and that no system of law can come in under any
:36:18. > :36:22.circumstances that contradicts the basic principles of English
:36:23. > :36:27.jurisprudence. The other big story, sadly, has been about the enquiry
:36:28. > :36:29.into child abuse, and you gave a press Conference with the Roman
:36:30. > :36:33.Catholic Archbishop of Westminster in which you said there had been
:36:34. > :36:37.historic cases of child abuse in your communions and churches. Do you
:36:38. > :36:44.think that means there are still bad stories about to come out from the
:36:45. > :36:48.Anglican Church? I would love to say there weren't, but I expect there
:36:49. > :36:55.are. There are in almost institution in this land. It is something I deal
:36:56. > :36:59.with everyday -- almost every institution in this land. It is
:37:00. > :37:02.become clearer and clearer that, for many years, things were not dealt
:37:03. > :37:07.with as they should have been dealt with, and we must show justice to
:37:08. > :37:10.survivors of abuse. That is the first absolute principle. And we
:37:11. > :37:18.must be absolutely transparent in every possible way. And we have to
:37:19. > :37:21.keep saying how utterly devastated we are with the terrible things that
:37:22. > :37:27.were done in the past and how sorry we are. Let's move onto your own
:37:28. > :37:31.fate. We've had good times dark times in your life, especially when
:37:32. > :37:35.you were long -- younger -- you have had good times and dark times in
:37:36. > :37:43.your life. When did you feel God talking to you specifically? Doing
:37:44. > :37:48.my sums, I think I was about 19 or 20. When I was 19, there was a
:37:49. > :37:53.crucial moment of commitment to follow Christ, and then it was a
:37:54. > :37:57.journey. It goes on and on and it changes the whole time. Were you
:37:58. > :38:03.initially embarrassed by that? Yes. I was deeply embarrassed. I remember
:38:04. > :38:07.the first thing I said to the person when I made a prayer commitment to
:38:08. > :38:13.Christ was, please don't tell anybody. Your predecessor has also
:38:14. > :38:18.said in his autobiography that he hated the job. How are you enjoying
:38:19. > :38:21.it? I'm rather worried about the fact that on most things, most of
:38:22. > :38:25.the time, I'm really enjoying myself. Long may that continue.
:38:26. > :38:32.Thank you very much, Archbishop. The hottest ticket
:38:33. > :38:34.in London theatre right now is a revival of David Hare's masterpiece
:38:35. > :38:37.about love, morality and money. Skylight has been such a hit that
:38:38. > :38:40.it's going to be broadcast live It stars two major actors,
:38:41. > :38:48.Bill Nighy and Carey Mulligan. They play a couple who've had
:38:49. > :38:51.an affair and meet up again years I met both stars at the theatre
:38:52. > :39:06.and Bill Nighy began by telling me It is a great work of art, and it
:39:07. > :39:11.has entered the language. It has been produced for 17 years and it's
:39:12. > :39:14.a remarkable piece of writing, and it has everything you might require
:39:15. > :39:20.from a play. It's extremely moving and hopefully funny. Carey, you have
:39:21. > :39:23.a great playwright who is still alive. Is he involved in the
:39:24. > :39:28.production? Have you talked to him about your character? He has been
:39:29. > :39:31.involved a lot. David was with this everyday to the first week of
:39:32. > :39:36.rehearsals and then he would come in and watch some running through, and
:39:37. > :39:42.we've asked many things. He has very much left a separation between him
:39:43. > :39:47.and Stephen Baldry, he is the writer and the director and we ask both of
:39:48. > :39:52.them. It all takes place in a sordid flat in Kensal rise and let's talk
:39:53. > :39:59.about your characters, because you are a self-made tycoon of the
:40:00. > :40:03.Thatcher area. I am a restaurateur who has made a lot of money, and
:40:04. > :40:08.I've gone public recently, and it has made me rich to the tune of
:40:09. > :40:12.several million pounds. And your character, Carey, slightly more
:40:13. > :40:18.middle-class, has been his lover, has broken up, and she has done a
:40:19. > :40:22.good thing which is she has gone into the public sector. Their
:40:23. > :40:28.relationship started when she was sort of 21 and she worked
:40:29. > :40:30.successfully for him for a number of years while the relationship went
:40:31. > :40:33.on, and since then she made the decision to go into a completely
:40:34. > :40:38.different side of things and has become a teacher. To what extent
:40:39. > :40:44.your character the goodie, and yours the baddie. David Hare tends to
:40:45. > :40:48.subvert the easy polarities. Exactly, and the audience gets to
:40:49. > :40:52.pick which parts. It is sophisticated enough that neither of
:40:53. > :40:57.the characters talk nonsense all of the time. Some of them talk complete
:40:58. > :41:01.sense on occasion, and you are thrown back and forward. It is
:41:02. > :41:05.exciting that reason. And the politics of it, this is set back in
:41:06. > :41:08.the John Major years when the government is cracking down on the
:41:09. > :41:12.welfare state in the public sector generally. I think David Hare said
:41:13. > :41:19.it was interesting it was being revived now. It's very cool it is
:41:20. > :41:22.being revived now. But it is a great play, so it's not just a mechanism
:41:23. > :41:28.for delivering a mechanism. It actually operates as a story about
:41:29. > :41:32.two people, in a room. Carey, people will know you throw your dash
:41:33. > :41:37.through your great film roles, but you always wanted to be a stage
:41:38. > :41:41.actor, and in this theatre. Yes, from when I was little. I wanted to
:41:42. > :41:45.be a musical theatre actress but I was not a strong enough singer or
:41:46. > :41:50.dancer so I stuck to the acting. But this theatre was one I came to when
:41:51. > :41:53.I was 11 for the first time. I had been to so many things at this
:41:54. > :41:59.theatre, and when the idea came along, at the West End this was the
:42:00. > :42:07.dream place to put it on. It is ten years since State of Play, your big
:42:08. > :42:11.breakthrough role that people remember, and you were a newspaper
:42:12. > :42:17.editor in that, so what do you think of recent events? I have no
:42:18. > :42:18.reflection on recent events. I was a newspaper editor then they could be
:42:19. > :42:27.heroes. They could be heroes again. Everybody, stop what you are doing,
:42:28. > :42:32.that means you, phones down, computers down, get your coats.
:42:33. > :42:36.Anyone not essential to tonight's addition, the Masons Arms in ten
:42:37. > :42:41.minutes and if you think I'm drunk now, looking again at ten o'clock. I
:42:42. > :42:45.wanted to be a journalist. My first idea was to be a journalist. I
:42:46. > :42:51.thought it was an intensely glamorous operation -- occupation. I
:42:52. > :42:54.was a messenger boy on a Field magazine, but I apply to the Croydon
:42:55. > :42:59.advertiser but I didn't have the levels. They said go off and get
:43:00. > :43:03.your levels, but I flunked school. I ran away to Paris to write the great
:43:04. > :43:08.English novel and didn't write Word and became an by default. -- didn't
:43:09. > :43:13.write a word. We both have other interesting films coming up. You
:43:14. > :43:21.have Suffragette which has nearly every fey shameless actress in it.
:43:22. > :43:24.And every American want -- famous English actors. It was about women
:43:25. > :43:28.who went into galleries and pour down paintings and threw themselves
:43:29. > :43:33.in front of horses, the hunger striking, and the treatment of these
:43:34. > :43:37.women at the time. It is, for me, that side of things, the
:43:38. > :43:42.force-feeding, the treatment they received from the government and the
:43:43. > :43:47.lengths that they went to, it was something I had no real grasp on.
:43:48. > :43:50.Very recent and very grim, actually. Bill Nighy, your film is also about
:43:51. > :43:56.militants, but Welsh miners. Bill Nighy, your film is also about
:43:57. > :43:57.the middle of the miners strike and a large number of
:43:58. > :44:03.the middle of the miners strike and women from London arrived to support
:44:04. > :44:06.them. One lesbian called Stephanie. And I don't think they were
:44:07. > :44:17.militant, particularly, just decent men and women who wear the kind of
:44:18. > :44:19.Civil War broke out that the Conservative government tried to
:44:20. > :44:23.arrange to crush them. It's the truth. It's quite funny. It's the
:44:24. > :44:27.story of one gay man and one lesbian who saw that the miners were being
:44:28. > :44:31.spat at in the street and invented as enemies of the state, and they
:44:32. > :44:36.thought, tell us about it. It was not unlike being gay in 1984 in the
:44:37. > :44:42.UK, so they raise the money and they found it impossible to deliver it to
:44:43. > :44:46.the miners union. They had difficulty putting the call through
:44:47. > :44:58.in 1984, so they decided to deliver it to a small village. Your gaze
:44:59. > :45:01.have arrived. Name the group and organisation you represent. Gays and
:45:02. > :45:09.lesbians supporting the miners. Absolutely. There was something I
:45:10. > :45:14.was told the market about lesbians. One last film, the Coen brothers had
:45:15. > :45:20.a huge hit, the alternative life of Bob Dylan, and a certain Mr Mumford
:45:21. > :45:32.plays in that. Was it a weird husband-and-wife act? Luckily other
:45:33. > :45:48.people were singing at the same time. No, he was a producer on the
:45:49. > :45:53.soundtrack so we are not on screen together. You sing quite a lot
:45:54. > :45:58.because you sang in the Fassbender film as well. Yes, I think my
:45:59. > :46:03.singing career is over. Maybe musical theatre still beckons.
:46:04. > :46:09.Fantastic, thank you very much indeed.
:46:10. > :46:15.Skylight will be brought from London's West End this Thursday, the
:46:16. > :46:19.17th of July. Vince Cable has come in for some
:46:20. > :46:28.heavy duty criticism over the sale of Royal Mail. His critics say it
:46:29. > :46:33.was botched and as a result has cost us ?1 billion. The Business
:46:34. > :46:37.Secretary joins me now. This goes back to the great row between
:46:38. > :46:43.AstraZeneca and Pfizer when apparently commitments were made
:46:44. > :46:48.about how long the research aspects of the company would remain in this
:46:49. > :46:54.country, jobs and so forth, that unravelled, why do you need to
:46:55. > :46:57.change the law? I have been reflecting on that experience, we
:46:58. > :47:02.will probably get other big takeovers coming down the track.
:47:03. > :47:14.There are lessons to take, not one is that it is good for Britain to
:47:15. > :47:22.have investment, but the question is how to protect companies. The
:47:23. > :47:27.Government engaged in negotiations to seek assurances. We have to make
:47:28. > :47:33.sure in any commitments made that there is no wiggle room, and we may
:47:34. > :47:37.well get into the area of having financial penalties in order to make
:47:38. > :47:43.sure those commitments are binding. If I want to make sure those
:47:44. > :47:48.commitments are binding. If I want a, and I say I will keep that in
:47:49. > :47:54.Croydon, that becomes a legal responsibility on me and I can be
:47:55. > :48:00.sued if I don't comply. Yes, that is a good pr?cis. We did get some good
:48:01. > :48:06.assurances from Pfizer but the question is are they binding? There
:48:07. > :48:10.is wiggle room and we want to deal with it in such a way that there is
:48:11. > :48:15.no escape clause. And you need to change the law to make that happen?
:48:16. > :48:18.If it is the case we need to move quickly to make sure there is
:48:19. > :48:27.legislation but there is another dimension to this - supposed to --
:48:28. > :48:31.supposed the company don't want to negotiate, you need some fallback
:48:32. > :48:38.powers, a last resort where the Government can intervene. What I
:48:39. > :48:46.would argue is that we need to do this as it were with a laser missile
:48:47. > :48:53.rather than a cluster bomb. What is the national interest? Is it simply
:48:54. > :49:02.jobs? Special research and development facilities? Is it
:49:03. > :49:08.sensible to have a body? We are governed by the existing law but
:49:09. > :49:11.also European merger and takeover regulations so we cannot just
:49:12. > :49:15.arbitrarily choose things but we will need a last resort power so
:49:16. > :49:21.that if there is something very clear against the national
:49:22. > :49:26.interest, the Government can intervene. I made it clear when the
:49:27. > :49:32.original takeover was taking place is that we were reserving all our
:49:33. > :49:38.options. That needs new legislation? That would be, and we are going to
:49:39. > :49:43.proceed in the first case is a coalition, in the second case I am
:49:44. > :49:48.putting forward my Liberal Democrat views. You haven't won agreement
:49:49. > :49:53.inside government about that? Not at the moment. The Archbishop of
:49:54. > :49:58.Canterbury said it was a moral question, the better off should
:49:59. > :50:11.contribute through the tax system or voluntarily, do you agree with that?
:50:12. > :50:16.I do agree, I think over the last few decades we have had growing
:50:17. > :50:20.inequality and extreme wealth inequality, maybe because of what
:50:21. > :50:27.has happened with property, but it should be dealt with. I brought in
:50:28. > :50:33.legislation to deal with executive pay. We had an example at the end of
:50:34. > :50:38.last week. The boss of Burberry. That was rolled back because it was
:50:39. > :50:43.related to performance and it showed the legislation was working. We want
:50:44. > :50:49.to see shareholders and mostly pension funds and insurance
:50:50. > :50:54.companies being actively involved. They now have a binding vote and we
:50:55. > :50:59.want to see them using it, they are using it, and I think it is
:51:00. > :51:05.moderating extreme inequalities in renumeration. Would you sit in a
:51:06. > :51:11.government that cuts the upper rate of tax from 45p? I don't think that
:51:12. > :51:19.is the critical issue, 45p is the right rate, but under a Labour
:51:20. > :51:25.government we had a 40p rate. The argument I have made in the past is
:51:26. > :51:26.that it is much more important to tax inequalities of capital, of
:51:27. > :51:32.wealth. It is tax inequalities of capital, of
:51:33. > :51:39.wealth. interesting looking ahead that you and the Labour Party now
:51:40. > :51:44.seem to see eye to eye on the mansion tax. On that particular
:51:45. > :51:51.policy, they have caught up with us from that policy, yes. So Liberal
:51:52. > :51:57.Democrat Labour coalition would produce a mansion tax. It is a
:51:58. > :52:02.possibility, anything could happen after the next election, we are not
:52:03. > :52:08.prejudging. We have seen stories about aggressive tax avoidance
:52:09. > :52:13.schemes which are used by famous actors, singers, celebrities and
:52:14. > :52:17.broadcasters, all sorts of people. Do you think the law needs to be
:52:18. > :52:22.toughened in that area and there should be naming and shaming? There
:52:23. > :52:25.should and it is happening, but the principle which we are beginning to
:52:26. > :52:30.implement and certainly my party would go further with this is to
:52:31. > :52:36.generally have an anti-avoidance provision. If it is the case where
:52:37. > :52:39.people are acting in a way that is clearly against the will of
:52:40. > :52:43.Parliament, then in the revenue the authorities can pursue them in an
:52:44. > :52:49.aggressive way. In the past they have been given the benefit of the
:52:50. > :52:56.doubt. What the Lord need to be changed? It would need a strong one,
:52:57. > :53:04.we have one at the moment and it could be beefed up. What is your
:53:05. > :53:08.message to those who are told by their accountants that there is a
:53:09. > :53:16.very good scheme in the Cayman Islands and so on? If people are
:53:17. > :53:20.trying to cheat they should stop it. MPs say that you have cost the
:53:21. > :53:27.taxpayer ?1 billion by mispricing the Royal Mail privatisation none
:53:28. > :53:33.but you should be resigning or at least apologising for it. If we put
:53:34. > :53:37.aside David Mellor's snide comments and concentrate on the issue, I
:53:38. > :53:42.don't think he or many other people read what the committee report said.
:53:43. > :53:50.Its conclusion was that we had achieved our objectives, which was
:53:51. > :53:57.to take... Let me finish... Bring in private capital so that it can still
:53:58. > :54:03.continue to deliver its service. The argument has been about the price,
:54:04. > :54:10.and the issue here, and it is all very well to be wise with
:54:11. > :54:14.hindsight, it is facile. At the time, it was very clear the correct
:54:15. > :54:19.judgement was made and that was the view of the independent advisers, it
:54:20. > :54:23.was a result of extensive market survey, the advice of the
:54:24. > :54:26.officials, the advice of the Conservative minister who was
:54:27. > :54:31.responsible for the sale that we could not sell large amounts at the
:54:32. > :54:36.high price. You would do it all again? Under those circumstances,
:54:37. > :54:45.there was no alternative but to do what we did. Thank you. Now over to
:54:46. > :54:49.Sian for the news headlines. Palestinian officials say 17 members
:54:50. > :54:54.of the same family were killed when Israeli missiles destroyed a home in
:54:55. > :55:01.Gaza belonging to the Hamas chief of police. These latest strikes have
:55:02. > :55:04.taken the Palestinian death toll to almost 160. The Foreign Secretary
:55:05. > :55:09.William Hague is calling for an immediate de-escalation in the
:55:10. > :55:13.violence on both sides. Members of the Church of England's ruling body
:55:14. > :55:20.are preparing for one of their biggest decisions - tomorrow's final
:55:21. > :55:25.vote on whether to create female bishops. Supporters of the proposal
:55:26. > :55:31.have expressed cautious optimism that the top jobs will be opened to
:55:32. > :55:38.women. Vince Cable says there is agreement to bring in new laws
:55:39. > :55:40.governing company takeovers. He confirmed new legislation will
:55:41. > :55:46.create financial penalties to make sure there is no wiggle room for
:55:47. > :55:50.companies to evade legal responsibilities. That is all for
:55:51. > :55:55.me. Back to Andrew in a moment but first let's look at what is coming
:55:56. > :56:01.up immediately after this programme. You can vote on whether you think
:56:02. > :56:15.assisted dying should be made legal. We ask, is sport the new religion?
:56:16. > :56:20.And we meet comedian Liz Carr. A lot of Conservative MPs are keen
:56:21. > :56:25.for tougher union laws, what is your view? I don't think there is any
:56:26. > :56:30.need for them. We have far fewer strikes than we had in the past. The
:56:31. > :56:36.proposal they are making is that no strikes should be valid unless over
:56:37. > :56:43.half the members have voted for it, that is simply party. Most MPs would
:56:44. > :56:48.not have been elected under that structure. You heard what Vince
:56:49. > :56:54.Cable had to say about the takeovers, were you pleased with
:56:55. > :56:58.what you heard? It is definitely a step in the right direction, and
:56:59. > :57:02.this is the kind of thing the Government should be concentrating
:57:03. > :57:06.on. How do we make sure we get real investment for the future and we
:57:07. > :57:14.start up and living standards instead of having old-fashioned
:57:15. > :57:17.union bashing. OK, we are almost out of time.
:57:18. > :57:20.Join us again next Sunday here on BBC One at nine o'clock.
:57:21. > :57:22.For now, we leave you with some fine music.
:57:23. > :57:25.Jerry Dammer's Spatial AKA Orchestra will be playing the Barbican Hall in
:57:26. > :57:30.Jerry - familiar to many from his days in The Specials - has
:57:31. > :57:33.brought together some of his unique 24-piece ensemble for us today.
:57:34. > :57:34.Here they are, with special guest Cornell Campbell,
:57:35. > :58:17.# Queen of the minstrels # Queen of the minstrels
:58:18. > :58:46.# I love you so # Queen of the minstrels
:58:47. > :58:56.# I love you so, wait for me # Queen of the minstrels
:58:57. > :59:11.# Play that sweet, sweet melody, play for me
:59:12. > :59:21.# Queen of the minstrels # Queen of the minstrels
:59:22. > :59:32.# Keep on playing that sweet song for me
:59:33. > :59:44.# How it feels, that sweet melody # I love you so
:59:45. > :59:47.There's too many people in the country, end of story.