:00:35. > :00:44.Welcome to the programme at this unusually early hour, it is the last
:00:45. > :00:48.show before September and games nor any games, we were not quite ready
:00:49. > :00:53.to bow out, even though these are the dog days, and then goes back to
:00:54. > :00:58.the Romans, for centuries, this time of year was not associated with
:00:59. > :01:03.holidays but was a bad time, to quote one old Allman, "the sea
:01:04. > :01:09.boiled, the wine turned sour, dogs grew mad, causing man, among other
:01:10. > :01:20.diseases, burning fevers, hysterics and frenzies". -- almanac. Joining
:01:21. > :01:26.us for the newspapers, Max Hastings, Olly Grender and Dominic Grieve.
:01:27. > :01:32.Until last week he was a key member of the government. The Parliamentary
:01:33. > :01:38.answer to the dog days is to shut up shop, it has begun a long summer
:01:39. > :01:42.break, but international politics blitzed the front pages day after
:01:43. > :01:46.day because of concerns in Ukraine and in Israel and Palestine. Last
:01:47. > :01:54.week we had the catwalk reshuffle, so-called, this week, not a policy
:01:55. > :01:57.or a party relaunched but himself, Ed Miliband has now acknowledge that
:01:58. > :02:03.for many new seen as a figure of fun, or worse, ridicule, but how can
:02:04. > :02:07.he shape of the Wallace and Gromit image problems and overturn the dire
:02:08. > :02:13.personal ratings? This morning we will also be hearing from someone
:02:14. > :02:18.who has charted the last bloody weeks in Gaza. What now? Bus the
:02:19. > :02:22.Director of Public Prosecutions, the new face of justice in Britain, is
:02:23. > :02:27.with us. What is Alison Saunders going to do when witnesses and
:02:28. > :02:32.victims are so traumatised that they refuse to cooperate, or, as we heard
:02:33. > :02:36.in the last week, they find the court experience so traumatic, they
:02:37. > :02:37.end up killing themselves. On a lighter note, some wonderful music
:02:38. > :02:46.to see us out: An amazingly talented singer, who
:02:47. > :02:53.starred in the Commonwealth Games opening ceremony. She grew up in a
:02:54. > :02:58.South African shack, she joins us later in the studio. Should be a
:02:59. > :03:03.colourful morning. As ever, first to the newsdesk.
:03:04. > :03:06.Hamas has rejected an offer to extend the ceasefire
:03:07. > :03:09.in Gaza saying it would only agree if Israeli tanks withdraw
:03:10. > :03:13.Israel had earlier agreed to a United Nations request for a further
:03:14. > :03:16.Last night thousands of people gathered in the Israeli
:03:17. > :03:19.city of Tel Aviv for a peace rally, calling for an end to
:03:20. > :03:25.The Deputy Prime Minister has called for Russia to be stripped of the
:03:26. > :03:29.Nick Clegg told the Sunday Times it would be "unthinkable"
:03:30. > :03:32.for the tournament to be staged in Russia after the loss of
:03:33. > :03:34.While calling for tougher sanctions against
:03:35. > :03:37.Russia, Mr Clegg also opposed the opportunity for President Putin "to
:03:38. > :03:50.exploit football's biggest sporting event to enhance his own status".
:03:51. > :03:53.The Ministry of Justice says a disturbance at Ranby Prison in
:03:54. > :03:57.Trouble broke out after more than a hundred prisoners refused to return
:03:58. > :04:00.to their cells at lunchtime. Police, ambulance and fire crews responded
:04:01. > :04:02.to the incident which caused "minor damage" but no injuries. The jail
:04:03. > :04:06.was criticised in a report a few days ago for high levels of
:04:07. > :04:17.The wreck of the Costa Concordia cruise liner is due to arrive
:04:18. > :04:20.in the Italian port city of Genoa shortly, after one of the biggest
:04:21. > :04:24.The vessel has spent four days being towed from the island
:04:25. > :04:26.of Giglio, where it capsized on rocks two years
:04:27. > :04:29.Captain Francesco Schettino has denied charges
:04:30. > :04:31.of multiple manslaughter and abandoning ship, which could see
:04:32. > :04:49.The Liverpool giants are making their way through the city for the
:04:50. > :04:52.final time today after delighting crowds over the past few days.
:04:53. > :04:56.out to watch the massive puppets of a grandmother, a little girl and a
:04:57. > :04:59.dog to commemorate World War One. When war broke out the city formed
:05:00. > :05:02.four battalions known as the Liverpool Pals. The giants will sail
:05:03. > :05:12.The death toll in Gaza has risen inexorably this
:05:13. > :05:14.week, and although Israel has kept a unilateral ceasefire this
:05:15. > :05:17.weekend, there seems no real end in sight to the conflict.
:05:18. > :05:20.Our correspondent Yolande Knell has been in Gaza throughout this latest
:05:21. > :05:22.flare-up in violence, reporting on many harrowing scenes,
:05:23. > :05:32.as she told me, just before we came on air this morning:
:05:33. > :05:38.The worst moments have been after the start of Israel's ground
:05:39. > :05:46.offensive, the Thursday before last, that began in a terrifying fashion.
:05:47. > :05:50.We will ordered out of the hotel and then we learned of the mounting
:05:51. > :05:54.casualty numbers. As someone who regularly comes to Gaza, I have seen
:05:55. > :06:00.entire neighbourhoods transformed in the past few days, and places where
:06:01. > :06:03.people live, into piles of rubble. You will also add the hospital, UN
:06:04. > :06:09.designated area before it was attacked, that leaves the obvious
:06:10. > :06:14.question, where can civilians run to hide that is safe inside Gaza? Is
:06:15. > :06:19.there a nowhere at all? Repeatedly, we have found that places that were
:06:20. > :06:27.deemed to be safe zones where people were told to evacuate to add then
:06:28. > :06:31.themselves come under fire. This has happened in central Gaza Strip, a
:06:32. > :06:35.hospital was hit by Israel tank shells, including the intensive care
:06:36. > :06:40.unit. Other places where people have been displaced, two or three times,
:06:41. > :06:44.they have gone to United Nations shelters, thinking they were safe.
:06:45. > :06:48.Those were terrible scenes up in the school, in the North. The playground
:06:49. > :06:54.was full of shrapnel, bloodstains on the desk. We had been at the school
:06:55. > :06:58.a few days before. But though it was a tense environment, there were
:06:59. > :07:02.families staying there, believing they were safe. Clearly, United
:07:03. > :07:06.Nations officials were in deep shock at what happens. White Israel is
:07:07. > :07:10.under huge international pressure, they have extended the cease-fire,
:07:11. > :07:15.but Hamas are still firing rockets. Is there any kind of pressure on
:07:16. > :07:22.Hamas from Palestinians in Gaza to give this cease-fire a chance to
:07:23. > :07:26.extend properly? A mass finds itself in an extremely difficult position,
:07:27. > :07:31.already, there was, in the run-up to this latest flare-up with Israel, a
:07:32. > :07:35.real kind of deterioration in support for Hamas here in Gaza,
:07:36. > :07:40.particularly the support of her mass as a government. -- Hamas. Since
:07:41. > :07:44.they came into power here, people have seen a real tightening of the
:07:45. > :07:49.border restrictions imposed by Israel since Hamas came into power
:07:50. > :07:53.seven years ago, tightening by Israel and Egypt. Now it finds
:07:54. > :07:55.itself in a difficult position when it comes to rocket fire, it has
:07:56. > :07:59.tried to make more defiant statements, it has fired several
:08:00. > :08:05.rockets including this morning into Israel. People here crave a moment
:08:06. > :08:08.of calm, particularly after all of the terrible scenes we have had in
:08:09. > :08:18.the last few days. We are now coming to the Islamic festival of Eid. It
:08:19. > :08:21.ends Ramadan, Ramadan has been a terrible time for the people in
:08:22. > :08:27.Gaza. Has there been any mechanism for pressure on her mass from the
:08:28. > :08:33.people, if people want something to change, are they able to communicate
:08:34. > :08:38.this to Hamas? Are Hamas hidden away? It is the armed wing of Hamas
:08:39. > :08:42.which is making a lot of the decisions here, and of course, they
:08:43. > :08:47.feel that they also want to avenge what has happened, particularly in
:08:48. > :08:52.the hours before this latest humanitarian truce was introduced by
:08:53. > :08:56.Israel, we saw very intense bombing in the run-up to the period. One
:08:57. > :09:03.thing that has really helped Hamas, the different Palestinian factions,
:09:04. > :09:08.its rival political factions, have gone behind the core idea it has,
:09:09. > :09:13.that any final condition for ending this latest period of fighting must
:09:14. > :09:18.include the easing of these really tight border restrictions imposed on
:09:19. > :09:22.Gaza. The blockade of Gaza. Speaking with any people here, no matter
:09:23. > :09:26.their political affiliation, they feel that the price in blood being
:09:27. > :09:31.paid is so high that that is what they want to see as well. It is very
:09:32. > :09:35.eerie and quiet in Gaza, is there a sense of people wandering around,
:09:36. > :09:40.flinching, waiting for attacks to begin. It is extremely quiet, I
:09:41. > :09:42.cannot give you enough of a sense, for somebody who comes to this city
:09:43. > :09:47.and sees for somebody who comes to this city
:09:48. > :09:51.people, full of donkey carts and horses and cars honking. All of the
:09:52. > :09:56.shops open. It is a bustling overcrowded place. For the last 20
:09:57. > :10:01.days we have seen it transformed most of the time into this area
:10:02. > :10:10.place, people are staying in their homes and trying desperately to stay
:10:11. > :10:13.safe. Thank you for joining us. On the front pages, a couple of big
:10:14. > :10:17.stories, Vladimir Putin and the follow up from that, families may be
:10:18. > :10:25.ceiling by the mere Putin over the crash. -- families may be ceiling
:10:26. > :11:04.Vladimir Putin over the crash. -- suing. These are the newspapers:
:11:05. > :11:08.it is concluded here, it is difficult to resist the conclusion
:11:09. > :11:22.that Israel's real objective is to bomb Hamas into surrender. Many
:11:23. > :11:25.people would hotly dispute that but I find it very interesting that
:11:26. > :11:30.someone as smart as this man should be taking that view. Akram what it
:11:31. > :11:35.is the danger for anybody who criticises Israel at this point,
:11:36. > :11:40.they are immediately accused of anti-Semitism. People have called me
:11:41. > :11:43.that sort of thing because I wrote something last week, we know that
:11:44. > :11:49.there is real anti-Semitism out there but simply to say anybody who
:11:50. > :11:59.criticises Israel is an anti-Semite, it is very disappointing. There is a
:12:00. > :12:12.piece by Stephen Pollard on anti-Semitism in this country.
:12:13. > :12:19.They are a target extreme right but often within the
:12:20. > :12:23.Muslim community, it is deeply damaging. Many members of the Jewish
:12:24. > :12:29.community in Britain do not approve of Israel's actions in Gaza at all.
:12:30. > :12:33.It is a very serious issue, and I think there is a perception in many
:12:34. > :12:36.elements of the Jewish community in Britain that people do not
:12:37. > :12:45.appreciate just how bad it is getting for them. An attack on a
:12:46. > :12:49.rabbi in the north, a synagogue smashed up. Bricks through windows,
:12:50. > :12:53.people hurling abuse, graffiti, we have seen some of that, I have seen
:12:54. > :13:04.it myself, and the constant sense that if -- the constant sense that
:13:05. > :13:10.you have got to protect yourself. What has come to the fore as a
:13:11. > :13:15.result of the cease-fire, the human tragedy, the human story. Here we
:13:16. > :13:18.have in the Independent, some features about some of the families.
:13:19. > :13:29.One family in particular, this family here, Hussein, he lost his
:13:30. > :13:34.wife, his daughter and his wife who was pregnant. What we saw on the
:13:35. > :13:40.broadcast last night, from this 24-hour cease-fire, is just how some
:13:41. > :13:44.communities have been laid waste. And then that most devastating
:13:45. > :13:49.experience of all, which is where we have a doctor saying that quite a
:13:50. > :13:52.lot of bodies cannot be identified or reclaimed. Despite all of the
:13:53. > :13:59.carnage, Hamas continue to fire rockets. They said they would
:14:00. > :14:03.continue to fire rockets. This sense of despair... I have been to Gaza if
:14:04. > :14:08.you years ago, there is a sense of despair. One often says in
:14:09. > :14:12.conversation with the Palestinians, you are being hopelessly emotional
:14:13. > :14:19.and unreasonable. But if you live in the climate of Gaza, it breeds
:14:20. > :14:23.despair. I have never been to Gaza, I have been to the West Bank, I only
:14:24. > :14:27.had to see the conditions in the West Bank and the extent to which it
:14:28. > :14:30.is parcelled up, movement restricted, travelling to or three
:14:31. > :14:37.miles may take several hours. The conditions there are also present.
:14:38. > :14:42.The Palestinian Authority in the West Bank has been able to keep the
:14:43. > :14:48.lid on serious violence against the Israeli occupying force. One wonders
:14:49. > :14:53.if this is going to snowball again. Horrible thought. The other great
:14:54. > :14:58.big story of the day, Russia, Russian money in Britain.
:14:59. > :15:05.A piece in the Observer by Steve Richards. Not just our politics
:15:06. > :15:09.being doped with foreign money. One thing this episode has forced us to
:15:10. > :15:12.think about, of course, David Cameron went on television and said
:15:13. > :15:25.that we'd have got to have sanctions. If we threw out all of
:15:26. > :15:29.the people that had made their money, through the African klepto
:15:30. > :15:41.cats -- klepto -- if we throw out everybody like
:15:42. > :15:46.that it would be an empty town. We want to see somebody get punished,
:15:47. > :15:50.Putin and those around him. The Russians have come in with money, PR
:15:51. > :16:02.companies, digging themselves into politics and power structures. A few
:16:03. > :16:10.years ago, I said to Douglas Hurd, there was gangster -- gangster
:16:11. > :16:20.culture. He said, don't worry, they will send their sons to Eton. You're
:16:21. > :16:26.sometime leader Nick Clegg. Yes, what he is doing here, in this
:16:27. > :16:31.interview in the Sunday Times he has done, he's talking about the need to
:16:32. > :16:36.strip the right to host the 2018 World Cup. We saw from the Olympics
:16:37. > :16:44.here, the Commonwealth Games at the moment, these are major pivot of all
:16:45. > :16:50.fact -- pivotal platforms. Rightly he is saying this should not be
:16:51. > :16:55.allowed with the way Putin is defying any kind of decent respect
:16:56. > :17:01.and humanity. About the Ukraine, and the Malaysia Airlines. Meanwhile we
:17:02. > :17:07.do some proper reporting, we have some of that on Sunday. There is a
:17:08. > :17:11.piece by Ian Gallagher, they have gone into the eastern Ukraine,
:17:12. > :17:14.covering what is going on and says what has perhaps become obvious. The
:17:15. > :17:22.Russians are providing massive levels of support. To the rebels in
:17:23. > :17:24.the eastern Ukraine. In flagrant breach of international law.
:17:25. > :17:31.Flagrant breach of what Putin himself has been saying. This is
:17:32. > :17:34.fuelling the conflict, almost certainly the cause of the shooting
:17:35. > :17:42.down of the Malaysia Airlines plane and it is reckless. This is all of
:17:43. > :17:45.peace the behaviour of Putin, with international affairs, where he
:17:46. > :17:49.thinks their key interests are affected. When I wrote about Putin
:17:50. > :17:57.and the shooting down of the airliner, I had quite a lot of
:17:58. > :18:03.e-mails. What is so fat is -- fascinating, you get messages from
:18:04. > :18:06.all over the world. I got a lot of messages saying why should you
:18:07. > :18:12.believe this propaganda from London and Washington, they have shown you
:18:13. > :18:15.are liars? You suddenly realise, we are ready to take our view, and
:18:16. > :18:22.suddenly you realise there is another world. The West has paid a
:18:23. > :18:27.very high price for Iraq, about how far we are believed. It upended
:18:28. > :18:36.domestic politics and leads us to more domestic stories, not hard to
:18:37. > :18:41.find stories about Boris Johnson. He puts the PM on griddle with
:18:42. > :18:45.electricity shortage warning. Unbelievably reckless, I am sure you
:18:46. > :18:49.would disagree, to put the Lib Dems with their obsession with windmills
:18:50. > :18:54.in charge of energy, we are now threatened with shortfalls. Two
:18:55. > :18:57.governments in succession, the last Labour government did nothing
:18:58. > :19:02.serious about energy. When the lights go out we should point the
:19:03. > :19:07.finger squarely at Downing Street. It is them who failed to adopt
:19:08. > :19:10.sensible energy policies. While you are pointing at Downing Street you
:19:11. > :19:13.could have a word with them about the delay and dragging their heels
:19:14. > :19:22.with regard to windmills which is a cheap and effective way. They are a
:19:23. > :19:30.loser. They do not command any level of public support at all. We keep on
:19:31. > :19:34.banging on about them. They are very efficient in generating electricity.
:19:35. > :19:42.Going back to the reshuffle. Ken Clarke has given an interview.
:19:43. > :19:47.Classic interview, discursive, Ken at his best, slating what he sees as
:19:48. > :19:49.the increased manipulation of politics so that campaigning starts
:19:50. > :19:52.far too early. politics so that campaigning starts
:19:53. > :19:55.Saying you should get on with your policies, you should not move
:19:56. > :20:03.esters, there is a digger over Michael Gove. -- not move ministers
:20:04. > :20:06.and there is a dig. Indicating he will be talking a great deal on the
:20:07. > :20:12.subjects over the next few months and years. Was it a horrible shock
:20:13. > :20:18.when you got the call, last week, Eckersley were not an unpopular
:20:19. > :20:24.minister. -- because you were not an unpopular minister. Not that I was
:20:25. > :20:30.aware of, you come up to the reshuffle, you wonder what will
:20:31. > :20:35.happen, but I did not expect I would be moved, it is a bit of a shock.
:20:36. > :20:40.You are concerned it leaves the way open for ditching the human rights
:20:41. > :20:44.act. It might do, and if it does I will be sorry and I will be
:20:45. > :20:48.outspoken on the subject. There are a number of issues, replacing the
:20:49. > :20:53.human rights act with a British bill of rights is a sensible measure.
:20:54. > :21:00.Some of the stories running around are about suggestions we should use
:21:01. > :21:05.Parliament to prevent ourselves from implementing our international legal
:21:06. > :21:10.obligations, that is legal oh Daley incoherence of a very high order. I
:21:11. > :21:19.hope that my party is not going down that road. -- legal incoherence. The
:21:20. > :21:26.reshuffle says otherwise. You are a loss to the human rights cause. I
:21:27. > :21:31.think this is a clear signal from the PM, sadly, as to which direction
:21:32. > :21:36.he is taking. Don't you think we will miss Ken Clarke, even though
:21:37. > :21:39.he's ready to go, the same time he has always said what other people
:21:40. > :21:46.will not say, few people are willing to speak about the truth. He has
:21:47. > :21:49.done, and sitting in Cabinet committees he has been enormously
:21:50. > :21:54.helpful in terms of providing history. Most of the problems we
:21:55. > :22:03.discussed have already occurred. He was there, he would come up with
:22:04. > :22:06.that. Common sense. History leads us to the First World War, future
:22:07. > :22:14.coverage in the newspapers, you have written extensively, you have a
:22:15. > :22:17.coverage in the newspapers, you have shortly. The Observer have got a big
:22:18. > :22:22.number in the magazine, the great War through our eyes to commemorate
:22:23. > :22:26.the centenary of the outbreak. Guardian witness, photos, diaries
:22:27. > :22:30.and journals of relatives. There will be huge amount over the next
:22:31. > :22:36.few weeks about the First World War. I remember being teased when I
:22:37. > :22:41.started writing a book about it, Anthony Beever said it would only
:22:42. > :22:44.sell half as much as the one on the Second World War, people are not
:22:45. > :22:48.very interested. I thought people would respond to the centenary and
:22:49. > :22:50.it's extraordinary. One of the best thing that has happened, these local
:22:51. > :22:55.celebrations. thing that has happened, these local
:22:56. > :22:57.all over. One thing I hope comes out of the centenary, that we get away
:22:58. > :23:03.from the cliches, of the centenary, that we get away
:23:04. > :23:08.view of the First World War as having been different, one of the
:23:09. > :23:12.things I try to say to people, the First World War was a ghastly
:23:13. > :23:21.experience. But all wars are ghastly experiences. It was not uniquely
:23:22. > :23:24.terrible. If you were in the 30 years War, on the retreat from
:23:25. > :23:28.Moscow with Napoleon, you would say yes, it was terrible... You are
:23:29. > :23:34.always tried to get across to people, all wars, people that fought
:23:35. > :23:41.in Normandy in 1944, far worse things happened in the Second World
:23:42. > :23:48.War, to the Russians. I hope we will get away, try to look at the
:23:49. > :23:57.historical perspective. Let's turn to a more modern story. Revenge
:23:58. > :24:00.pawn. What is that. In a trusting environment with a long-term
:24:01. > :24:07.partner, or even a short-term partner, you allow them to
:24:08. > :24:11.photograph you and they publish it. It is an absolutely devastating
:24:12. > :24:17.thing, we have one star from reality television show, was secretly
:24:18. > :24:19.filmed. Currently myself and colleagues are attempting to amend
:24:20. > :24:27.the criminal courts and Justice Bill, to make sure there is a
:24:28. > :24:32.criminal application when somebody publishes something like this. These
:24:33. > :24:36.are people who are literally, their lives are completely devastated.
:24:37. > :24:44.Work colleagues can see them in the most exposed manner, it is a total
:24:45. > :24:48.offence against them. We must talk about the Commonwealth Games, do we
:24:49. > :24:55.agree this has been a good games so far for the home teams and Scott
:24:56. > :25:00.though -- Scotland and Glasgow? I think it has. We saw it with the
:25:01. > :25:05.Olympics, quite clear that sport brings people together in a way
:25:06. > :25:10.which is quite removed from expressions of national identity.
:25:11. > :25:14.Glasgow seems to be doing exactly the same as the Olympics and the
:25:15. > :25:27.Paralympics from London. Terrific feel good. It is fantastic. The tea
:25:28. > :25:30.cakes was my favourite moment. There is a lovely piece about the
:25:31. > :25:34.confidence of Glasgow. It is beautifully done. The irony
:25:35. > :25:43.everybody is cheering the Queen. In the context. It started with a
:25:44. > :25:52.kiss, in Scotland on Sunday here. It is lovely. Very interesting, we now
:25:53. > :25:57.move to the weather, fabulous sunshine in the south-east, it is
:25:58. > :26:01.still too hot, I could not sleep. For how long will the blistering
:26:02. > :26:08.summer go on? We need a man with the answers. Hello. For many of us it
:26:09. > :26:13.has been pretty uncomfortable at night. Much of the country, things
:26:14. > :26:16.will be cool and fresh through the day, leading into a cool and fresh
:26:17. > :26:20.night, particularly in the North West. Much of England and Wales
:26:21. > :26:26.holding onto the sunshine. Feeling quite warm through the afternoon.
:26:27. > :26:29.This rain piling through western Scotland, Northern Ireland, a keen
:26:30. > :26:35.breeze, noticeably cooler than the last few days. England and Wales
:26:36. > :26:40.with sunshine around, showers, thunderstorms across the south-east.
:26:41. > :26:49.Notice the temperatures around the mid, the high teens in Glasgow. Warm
:26:50. > :26:52.across central and eastern areas. Towards Sunday evening. Overnight,
:26:53. > :26:56.we will continue to see the rain spilling across Wales and western
:26:57. > :27:01.England. Showers across the south-east. Cool and fresh tonight
:27:02. > :27:07.across northern areas, it could be chilly in the Glens but still quite
:27:08. > :27:11.warm across the south-east. Monday, a reverse of Fortune, the Northern
:27:12. > :27:15.areas will see the best of the weather, 22 degrees in Glasgow.
:27:16. > :27:22.Southern parts of the country will see some heavy showers. That's how
:27:23. > :27:26.it's looking, Andrew. STUDIO: I would not mind are heavy and slow
:27:27. > :27:30.moving shower. The director of public prosecutions, has one of the
:27:31. > :27:33.most important jobs in public life, deciding which case it should be
:27:34. > :27:37.brought to court, is there sufficient evidence to secure a
:27:38. > :27:43.conviction and is it in the public interest to pursue cases and are the
:27:44. > :27:49.harder edged confrontational courts fair on the victims? Alison Saunders
:27:50. > :27:54.is the new DPP, you for joining us. We had a terrible story this month,
:27:55. > :27:59.a woman who took an overdose after giving evidence in a historic case
:28:00. > :28:03.of sex abuse, potentially killed herself because of the experience in
:28:04. > :28:08.court. We have more and more cases of people coming to court, people
:28:09. > :28:13.who had traumatising experiences, they go in as witnesses, are they
:28:14. > :28:16.being treated fairly? There is an issue about whether they are being
:28:17. > :28:20.treated fairly, that is why I am looking at how we could rebalance
:28:21. > :28:26.the process so that it is fairer for victims and witnesses. What we are
:28:27. > :28:30.looking at doing, is to talk to witnesses and victims before they go
:28:31. > :28:35.into court. Possibly telling the more than we do at the present,
:28:36. > :28:42.about what they will face in court. It can be cold and shocking.
:28:43. > :28:47.Absolutely, I have spoken to people who have given evidence, one of them
:28:48. > :28:50.said she waited a number of months not knowing watching was going to be
:28:51. > :28:55.asked, and that was worse than going in and being cross-examined. There
:28:56. > :29:00.is more we can do to tell victims and witnesses what they will face.
:29:01. > :29:06.Lawyers will save part of the job is to test the defence witnesses as
:29:07. > :29:09.part of what the court is for. How can you do the rebalancing without
:29:10. > :29:15.balancing the in favour of the victim and against the accused? It
:29:16. > :29:17.has to be done within the confines of making sure there is a fair
:29:18. > :29:25.trial, making sure the defendant can have a good trial. I am not
:29:26. > :29:29.suggesting we rehearsed the witnesses but we could tell them
:29:30. > :29:37.what the defence is going to be. We could sell more about what they will
:29:38. > :29:47.face. -- we could tell them. That they could bring in this person and
:29:48. > :29:54.so forth? Exactly. The victim had said that the last few months she
:29:55. > :29:59.was worried about whether she could remember something that happened 20
:30:00. > :30:01.years ago, whether she could remember those conversations.
:30:02. > :30:05.America and Australia do something like this, I am not suggesting we go
:30:06. > :30:08.as far as some of those countries but there is more that we can do. In
:30:09. > :30:13.your judgement is the law going to be changed? Law does not need to be
:30:14. > :30:18.changed, I can do some of this through guidance to my prosecutors,
:30:19. > :30:22.I shall be talking to other people within the justice system to consult
:30:23. > :30:27.with them, but there is more that we can do within the existing law as it
:30:28. > :30:32.is. There has been criticism in the newspapers of high-profile
:30:33. > :30:36.prosecutions of famous people for historic do you think it has gone
:30:37. > :30:40.too far? Is there an element at which famous elderly people are
:30:41. > :30:45.being pursued just so the state can show that there is no fear or
:30:46. > :30:50.favouritism. I do not, and that is not what we are doing, we are not
:30:51. > :30:55.pursuing particular pipes of people. We are reacting to people who come
:30:56. > :30:58.forward with complaints. -- types. Yellow no matter who the complaint
:30:59. > :31:02.is against, no matter who lodges the complaint, the police will
:31:03. > :31:06.investigate. If there is sufficient evidence, and that has got to be the
:31:07. > :31:09.first point of call, if there is sufficient evidence then we will
:31:10. > :31:13.consider whether it is in the public interest to prosecute. None of these
:31:14. > :31:18.cases are dealt with in a different way to the thousands of others. You
:31:19. > :31:22.have nothing easy in your in tray, but another problem you have,
:31:23. > :31:29.particularly in high profile cases, the defence is bringing in very
:31:30. > :31:34.highly paid top-flight lawyers, at what stage does the states justify
:31:35. > :31:38.spending huge amounts of money on taking on lawyers to take them on,
:31:39. > :31:41.do you feel it is an arms war? We look at each case right at the
:31:42. > :31:45.beginning to decide what kind of level of resource we will put into
:31:46. > :31:48.it, we will make sure we put the right resource into it. It is
:31:49. > :31:52.entirely a matter for the defence if they want to bring in people and how
:31:53. > :31:57.much they will pay. We make sure we are properly resourced to take the
:31:58. > :32:01.cases. As a prosecutor yourself you are best known for ringing back the
:32:02. > :32:07.Stephen Lawrence prosecution and getting convictions, probably your
:32:08. > :32:12.proudest moment. What did you learn? After that it was, never give up!
:32:13. > :32:18.These cases, even though there may be some years old, you can always
:32:19. > :32:22.look to bring prosecutions. A lot about how to deal with victims and
:32:23. > :32:27.witnesses. I spend a lot of time speaking with Stephen Lawrence's
:32:28. > :32:29.parents during and after the case, that is very important. As
:32:30. > :32:34.prosecutors we can never underestimate the human impact of
:32:35. > :32:40.the work that we do, the decisions we do, both on the prosecution which
:32:41. > :32:43.disses and on the victims. There is a lot of people out there that need
:32:44. > :32:48.prosecuting, so I shall leave you to get on with it! Bank you very much.
:32:49. > :32:52.-- thank you very much. Ed Miliband relaunched him
:32:53. > :32:54.self last week as the candidate for Prime Minister who doesn't care
:32:55. > :32:56.how he looks. Or at least, doesn't think it's
:32:57. > :32:58.the most important qualification In a speech in London, he confronted
:32:59. > :33:02.head-on the rather goofy way, in It's a high risk strategy,
:33:03. > :33:06.which got mixed reviews. Has the cartoon image stuck,
:33:07. > :33:09.because he hasn't yet given enough substance,
:33:10. > :33:10.about what he actually wants to do? That's one of the criticisms I
:33:11. > :33:13.put to him, when we talked But we started with
:33:14. > :33:16.a very substantial issue indeed: Has Israel's response to the Hammas
:33:17. > :33:25.rocket attacks been I am clear that we oppose the
:33:26. > :33:30.Israeli incursion into Gaza and the loss of life is tragic. I think what
:33:31. > :33:35.needs to happen now is that we need a cease-fire. We need a proper
:33:36. > :33:43.cease-fire. Both sides need to draw back. Well beyond the 24-hour I'm a
:33:44. > :33:47.friend of Israel and the Palestinian people but this is doing no favours
:33:48. > :33:51.to Israel. The Hammers rocket attacks are totally unjustified and
:33:52. > :34:01.appalling. Murder of the three Israeli teenagers was terrible. This
:34:02. > :34:11.is a tragic loss of life. This is going to recruit more people to
:34:12. > :34:14.Hamas. -- Hamas rocket attacks. We need proper negotiations for a two
:34:15. > :34:18.state solution. People have thought about this for a long time, it has
:34:19. > :34:22.never happened, what needs to be done internationally to make it
:34:23. > :34:26.happen? International community has got to engage even more. John Kerry
:34:27. > :34:30.has done a good job in seeking to do that, the European Union needs to do
:34:31. > :34:35.that, now we can see the price of the failure of the peace process and
:34:36. > :34:39.then not being a peace process. Talking about the leadership issue,
:34:40. > :34:43.you raised that vividly, you talked about bacon sandwiches and Wallace
:34:44. > :34:48.and Gromit and all of that. What you did not say, it must hurt, when you
:34:49. > :34:52.have small boys growing up, it must be pretty horrible. I have got used
:34:53. > :34:57.to it! That is the best way of putting it. Reason I gave the
:34:58. > :35:00.speech, I felt that everybody else was having their say about
:35:01. > :35:06.leadership and indeed my leadership. I felt I needed to have my say. This
:35:07. > :35:10.goes beyond me, this is about a political culture that I think is
:35:11. > :35:14.driving people away. Let's be honest, this is a political culture
:35:15. > :35:19.that fewer and fewer people are engaging with, that they think will
:35:20. > :35:23.make a difference to their lives. Personally I believe that it is
:35:24. > :35:29.partly because the presentational, the superficial, the trivial,
:35:30. > :35:33.sometimes eating a bacon sandwich! That is sometimes what is elevated
:35:34. > :35:37.above big ideas. And suppose, decency, the things which will
:35:38. > :35:44.really change people 's lives. That is why I gave this speech. You say
:35:45. > :35:47.that it is beyond you, but you have got poor leadership ratings and your
:35:48. > :35:52.enemies are trying to dig into people 's heads an image of you
:35:53. > :36:00.which is hard to remove. I'm going to show this to you... Excellent!
:36:01. > :36:04.Thank you very much. You have clearly bitten somebody there. I
:36:05. > :36:11.didn't realise there was going to be presence! I shall show this to my
:36:12. > :36:15.children. -- presents. In a different way this is like what was
:36:16. > :36:19.done with Neil Kinnock when he was the opposition leader. The funny
:36:20. > :36:22.thing is, I do not worry, a lot of people have said to me over three or
:36:23. > :36:26.four years that I have been leader, how come you do not do more things
:36:27. > :36:31.like David Cameron. The photograph with the Huskies in the Arctic
:36:32. > :36:37.Circle, the wind turbine on the roof. One of the reasons, you said
:36:38. > :36:44.he's not very good -- you are not very good at it. Personally I do not
:36:45. > :36:48.care about it that much, communication is important, images
:36:49. > :36:52.are important, what I do not think it is the most important thing. You
:36:53. > :36:55.may hate it and think it is trivial and awful but it is the way that
:36:56. > :36:59.things are done, just as individually in period you had to
:37:00. > :37:03.make a three-hour speech in front of 300 people, now you have got to use
:37:04. > :37:06.the Internet and take photo opportunities. It is the duty of a
:37:07. > :37:12.political leader therefore be better at it than you have been, and it is
:37:13. > :37:16.not enough to say that you are not good at it, you have got to get good
:37:17. > :37:25.at it. Others not saying that I will never take photos, that they do
:37:26. > :37:29.matter... It is more about what we value most, what is really going to
:37:30. > :37:33.change things for people? The underlying narrative of your speech
:37:34. > :37:40.was that there is a recognition of an Ed Miliband problem. I would put
:37:41. > :37:44.it slightly differently! LAUGHTER What I would say is that I think
:37:45. > :37:47.that this is a job interview, not just an interview by you, running
:37:48. > :37:50.from Prime Minister is a job interview for one of the most
:37:51. > :37:58.important jobs in the country. That is a challenge. What I wanted to say
:37:59. > :38:01.to the public, I am not just going to compete on the terms you are used
:38:02. > :38:05.to and it is important you understand that about me. I'm going
:38:06. > :38:11.to compete on terms which are different and which I think are more
:38:12. > :38:16.important to you, and to your life. And that is the really important
:38:17. > :38:21.thing. Giving you an example: If you are thinking about people who are
:38:22. > :38:25.saying, we are on a zero hours contract, cannot afford to bring up
:38:26. > :38:29.the family. We are worried children will have a worse life than us. I
:38:30. > :38:35.have ideas to tackle that on minimum wage, on zero hours contract. I
:38:36. > :38:38.happen to think that is more important than whether I look good
:38:39. > :38:42.eating a bacon sound weird, and we can agree that I do not. Looking to
:38:43. > :38:46.conservatives it seems clear that between now and the election, they
:38:47. > :38:52.have two things. One is the economy getting better and the other is Ed
:38:53. > :38:55.Miliband as Prime Minister. If you do not kill that, then you are dead
:38:56. > :38:59.in the water. You have most of the press against you. Do you feel they
:39:00. > :39:06.are trying to do to you what was done by them to Neil Kinnock in the
:39:07. > :39:13.right wing press. There is elements of the press that do not like me and
:39:14. > :39:16.do not like some of the stands the bigger issue here, the Conservatives
:39:17. > :39:20.want to fight an election on the economy, they want to say that is
:39:21. > :39:25.fixed, I do not believe that it is. I believe there is deep problems,
:39:26. > :39:28.and we must talk about them. I'm proud of some of the stands I have
:39:29. > :39:34.taken about Rupert Murdoch and the energy companies and the banks, and
:39:35. > :39:39.on Syria. On the issues that count. It is tough to stand up on principle
:39:40. > :39:43.on those things. Again and again and again you have been turned into a
:39:44. > :39:48.figure of fun, you laugh about it but coming back, it must make you
:39:49. > :39:51.angry, it must hurt. It makes me angry because I think the British
:39:52. > :39:57.people deserve a better debate than this. This is not see list
:39:58. > :40:02.celebrity, this is not an ugly person 's showbiz contest, this is
:40:03. > :40:07.about more than that! That is what they used to say about politics. I
:40:08. > :40:11.have been struck by the fact that Nick Clegg has had a hard time but
:40:12. > :40:16.nonetheless he has gone on and on, every week, doing phone in shows
:40:17. > :40:23.with members of the public. He was right to do it, I remember saying to
:40:24. > :40:29.people that it was a good thing to do. I want to do that, and I will do
:40:30. > :40:34.that, in terms of radio phone ins, but I want to do something more. We
:40:35. > :40:38.need a public question Time were regularly the Prime Minister submits
:40:39. > :40:41.himself or herself to questioning from members of the public in the
:40:42. > :40:48.Palace of Westminster. On Wednesdays. And why is that
:40:49. > :40:52.important? Because I want to let the public into politics. That is a
:40:53. > :40:56.striking idea, exactly how would this work? Resume you would do your
:40:57. > :41:00.prime ministers questions as Prime Minister, Dell are you saying that
:41:01. > :41:05.you would guarantee that he would go and answer questions from the public
:41:06. > :41:10.afterwards? -- are you saying? And you would do it every week? We
:41:11. > :41:14.definitely want to do it regularly, and I want to make a formal proposal
:41:15. > :41:18.to the Speaker of the House of Commons. He and I have spoken about
:41:19. > :41:22.it many times. We should not roll out reform of PMQ 's, but put it
:41:23. > :41:26.this way: At the moment there is the glass that separates the public in
:41:27. > :41:30.the gallery from the House of Commons. But there is a gulf which
:41:31. > :41:35.is not a few inches of glass, it is miles wide, between the type of
:41:36. > :41:41.politics people want and what we are being offered. As a test for prime
:41:42. > :41:46.ministers questions to raise the standard, having people in... I am
:41:47. > :41:52.part of PMQ 's, I take some responsibility, but having people in
:41:53. > :41:59.asking their own questions. Anyone? It would not just be cheerleading
:42:00. > :42:03.Labour supporters. -- PM yous. Would somebody be able to come and have a
:42:04. > :42:12.go at you, if they were very angry with you? Yes, yes! -- PMQs. Go to
:42:13. > :42:18.Scotland, seeing how people are angry, we did not seek the
:42:19. > :42:21.referendum, but it has engaged people in politics. Critics will say
:42:22. > :42:27.that this is an interesting idea but it sounds like another gimmick. It
:42:28. > :42:30.is serious, it is serious, I want to find ways to change the political
:42:31. > :42:35.culture, it is not just about the photo opportunities, but it is deep,
:42:36. > :42:39.and it goes well beyond that. What about the incident with Barack
:42:40. > :42:44.Obama, there is a lot of pre-briefing about the brush by,
:42:45. > :42:45.there you were, talking about the Boston red Sox...
:42:46. > :42:47.there you were, talking about the about the Boston red
:42:48. > :42:51.there you were, talking about the have loved to have spoken about
:42:52. > :42:52.there you were, talking about the them. Was that just a piece of PR,
:42:53. > :42:58.trivial politics them. Was that just a piece of PR,
:42:59. > :43:01.deprecate. I want to be the promised the country, the relationship with
:43:02. > :43:04.United States is important. If you think about what we talked about in
:43:05. > :43:12.the interview, the Middle East, climate change, situation in terms
:43:13. > :43:15.of Russia, the downing of the Malaysian airline. We talked about
:43:16. > :43:21.inequality and the challenges the country 's face. If we talk about
:43:22. > :43:27.those questions, the solutions go through the United States. Working
:43:28. > :43:30.with United States. -- the challenges that our country 's face.
:43:31. > :43:34.Working with the president is the sensible thing. After your speech,
:43:35. > :43:40.there was a question from a constituent in Doncaster who said,
:43:41. > :43:44.what is the big idea? You gave a very eloquent analysis of the
:43:45. > :43:47.problem but you did not give your big idea. The big idea is to make
:43:48. > :43:51.the country work once again for ordinary people and not just a few
:43:52. > :43:55.people at the top, that is fundamentally what it is about.
:43:56. > :43:59.Every country around the world faces this challenge of inequality, not
:44:00. > :44:03.just rich against poor, but whether a few people at the top will be
:44:04. > :44:05.soaring away from everyone else and the lives of ordinary low and
:44:06. > :44:09.middle-income people are going to get harder and harder, their
:44:10. > :44:13.children will have worse prospects than them. That is the generational
:44:14. > :44:18.challenge that we face and that is the offer, that is what the
:44:19. > :44:20.programme is all about. Is this happening because international
:44:21. > :44:23.capitalism, the big corporate powers in the world, the big banks,
:44:24. > :44:31.international companies, have they become too powerful visit -- in
:44:32. > :44:35.relation to Parliamentary power. It is partly the power of corporations,
:44:36. > :44:40.we need to make sure... We need to make sure they pay their taxes, that
:44:41. > :44:43.they were in the public interest. It is partly about the philosophy of
:44:44. > :44:47.the country. We have had a philosophy for too long that says
:44:48. > :44:51.that as long as a few rich people are doing OK the wealth will trickle
:44:52. > :44:54.down. There is a number of factors. I know that we need to change
:44:55. > :44:59.things, we have specific ideas to change things. Whether that is
:45:00. > :45:05.raising the minimum wage, taking on energy prices, rents and housing.
:45:06. > :45:09.Bread and butter issues of what will change things people. You mentioned
:45:10. > :45:15.the NHS, for a lot of people NHS is going to be a central issue, and you
:45:16. > :45:18.have said that you will repeal the recent bill, and you will integrate
:45:19. > :45:31.care and social services and so forth.
:45:32. > :45:35.competition aspect because it is a massive problem which is leading to
:45:36. > :45:43.that plethora of lawyers and fragmentation of the service. We
:45:44. > :45:46.think we can change things without doing a top-down organisation,
:45:47. > :45:51.bringing down budgets for health care, this is a key aspect of making
:45:52. > :45:56.the health service better, what does it mean practically? A single point
:45:57. > :46:00.of contact, like your GP, if you are elderly, not 20 different to talk
:46:01. > :46:05.to. There are practical ways to change things, repealing the bill,
:46:06. > :46:09.without throwing all of the deck chairs in the air and see where they
:46:10. > :46:13.land. Moving on someone international issue which has been
:46:14. > :46:17.in the news, frankly, the influence of big Russian money on this
:46:18. > :46:20.country. We were having a stand-off with President Putin over the
:46:21. > :46:27.ghastly events in Ukraine and at the same time, a range of oligarchs,
:46:28. > :46:29.powerful Russians, some of them with close connections to the president
:46:30. > :46:36.are spending their way into British power. Not into the Labour Party.
:46:37. > :46:39.Let's go to the big picture. On the issue of the Malaysia Airlines
:46:40. > :46:45.plane, it's a terrible appalling thing that happened. All of my
:46:46. > :46:49.sympathy goes to the victims in this country and across the world. We
:46:50. > :46:52.need action though. We need a European Council, the heads of
:46:53. > :46:56.government of Europe should be meeting, they should not be leaving
:46:57. > :46:59.it to the Foreign Minister. We need to raise sanctions on Russia,
:47:00. > :47:04.individual corporations that have been part of what happened around
:47:05. > :47:10.these big decisions which have been made, we need action. David Cameron
:47:11. > :47:13.has questions to answer on the money he's taking from Russian oligarchs
:47:14. > :47:18.on the bidding for the tennis match, all of this stuff. You cannot stand
:47:19. > :47:23.of one minute and say this is the biggest issue and we will take the
:47:24. > :47:28.right action -- stand up. You have to look carefully at who he is
:47:29. > :47:31.getting money from. Nine months to go, before the election, I you sure
:47:32. > :47:38.by the time the election happens people will not be laughing about
:47:39. > :47:45.Wallace, they will be looking at a different Ed Miliband? I am
:47:46. > :47:48.relishing to go out and say what I want for this country, it is about
:47:49. > :47:54.sticking to your principles even when it is tough and you have got
:47:55. > :47:57.big opponents, Rupert Murdoch, or the energy companies. I will talk
:47:58. > :48:02.about a different type of leadership which has listening as part of
:48:03. > :48:06.leading. Some critics say all the way through opposition, the Labour
:48:07. > :48:12.Party has not owned up to the economic mistakes beforehand which
:48:13. > :48:16.has been a problem. If people start to stop debating the trivialities
:48:17. > :48:20.and start talking about the reality, it is good. On that point, we said
:48:21. > :48:24.we got it wrong on the banking crisis, we said we did not regulate
:48:25. > :48:28.properly. The Conservatives said they should be more loosely
:48:29. > :48:31.regulated. People want a forward-looking election about the
:48:32. > :48:35.future, they want to know what will happen in their life in the future.
:48:36. > :48:41.This is what the focus should be upon. That is what I'm determined it
:48:42. > :48:47.be on. Thank you for joining us. Mr Miliband in his garden yesterday and
:48:48. > :48:52.now over to the new head headlines -- news headlines. Ed Miliband says
:48:53. > :48:55.people should be given a regular opportunity to put Preston is to the
:48:56. > :49:03.Prime Minister. In minutes of view he said -- to put questions to the
:49:04. > :49:07.Prime Minister. He said the idea of putting questions from the general
:49:08. > :49:11.public would open up Westminster politics and he would put forward
:49:12. > :49:14.detailed proposals. Hamas has rejected an offer to extend the
:49:15. > :49:17.cease-fire in Gaza saying it would only agree if Israeli tanks withdraw
:49:18. > :49:23.from the territory. Israel had earlier agreed to a United Nations
:49:24. > :49:27.the quest for a further 24-hour break in hostilities. Last night
:49:28. > :49:31.thousands of people gathered in the Israeli city of Tel Aviv for a peace
:49:32. > :49:35.rally calling for an end to the military campaign in Gaza. We've
:49:36. > :49:39.just heard the Israeli military has announced it will resume fighting in
:49:40. > :49:44.Gaza saying Hamas has violated the truce. That's all for now, the next
:49:45. > :49:52.news on BBC One comes at one o'clock, back to you. STUDIO: When
:49:53. > :49:56.the South African soprano was growing up outside Cape Town, her
:49:57. > :49:59.only access to probe was in radio, and yet she fell in love with the
:50:00. > :50:04.soaring arias she heard and made it to London to study. You may have
:50:05. > :50:08.caught her before, at the opening ceremony of the Commonwealth Games
:50:09. > :50:12.in Glasgow, she sang anthems to freedom in honour of Nelson Mandela,
:50:13. > :50:18.her debut album will be out shortly. She will be sitting at another huge
:50:19. > :50:22.concert, the Proms in the park, in September. Welcome. Thank you for
:50:23. > :50:26.coming. You were singing that great song by Hamish Henderson, the
:50:27. > :50:29.closest thing Scotland has the freedom ballad. You sang it in a
:50:30. > :50:34.beautiful Scottish accent, very hard? It was hard in the beginning,
:50:35. > :50:37.especially when I saw it on the page, I thought how will I pronounce
:50:38. > :50:50.these words quest Mark somebody sang it, and I thought, it is OK, I can
:50:51. > :50:55.do it my way. You were in a shack, in a shanty town, unusual, somebody
:50:56. > :50:58.sitting there, listening to opera. What was the radio you were
:50:59. > :51:06.listening to, it was South Africa classical music? It was South Africa
:51:07. > :51:09.and classical FM. Your new album is a mixture of African songs, and
:51:10. > :51:14.highlights from the opera, we can hear them in a moment. How
:51:15. > :51:20.different. The African songs have a big orchestra, they sound different
:51:21. > :51:24.from the way we are used to. Actually it is a new version of the
:51:25. > :51:29.African songs, transformed to a European setting. It was a big
:51:30. > :51:34.challenge for me. Because usually the songs were folk songs. People
:51:35. > :51:42.were improvising with their band. Many of them have been made famous
:51:43. > :51:45.by Miriam McCabe, having the orchestra and singing them in a
:51:46. > :51:48.classical way, it is very different but I am happy about the end
:51:49. > :51:53.product. We are going to hear you singing some wonderful music now.
:51:54. > :51:58.Thank you for coming in, that is all we have got time for. Thank you to
:51:59. > :52:06.all of my guests, we are off on our summer break but we will be back on
:52:07. > :52:09.Sunday the seventh of timbre in time -- the 7th of September, in time for
:52:10. > :52:13.the political referendum with Scotland, until then, May the sun
:52:14. > :54:03.keeps shining and we leave you with this wonderful music.
:54:04. > :54:07.APPLAUSE CHEERING