:00:07. > :00:14.New laws are coming, allowing the state to spy on all of us. This
:00:15. > :00:31.morning, how safe can law-abiding Britons feel.
:00:32. > :00:39.With me today, the Home Secretary Theresa May. She has also been voted
:00:40. > :00:44.the most popular politician to lead Britain out of the roof. What does
:00:45. > :00:48.Nigel Farage, Ukip's leader, make of that and the barrage of pro-Brussels
:00:49. > :00:56.arguments now coming from the likes of David Cameron? If all of that
:00:57. > :01:00.makes you feel comfortably numb, worry not. I am joined as well by
:01:01. > :01:05.the great Dave Gilmour, the guitarist and singer behind Pink
:01:06. > :01:08.Floyd. Back on the road again. And reviewing the papers, Labour's Jess
:01:09. > :01:11.Phillips and the Daily Mail's Amanda Patel. But first, the news with
:01:12. > :01:13.Steph McGovern. A day of mourning will be observed
:01:14. > :01:19.across Russia to remember the 224 Most of the dead were from
:01:20. > :01:23.St Petersburg, where a tourist The plane's black boxes have been
:01:24. > :01:25.found, but there's still no explanation
:01:26. > :01:39.as to what caused the crash. In a windswept desert, the wreckage
:01:40. > :01:42.of a plane carrying Russian tourists back home after a holiday in the
:01:43. > :01:48.sun. The aircraft apparently broke up in midair. Egyptian officials say
:01:49. > :01:51.the debut was spread over several square miles. The Egyptian Prime
:01:52. > :01:57.Minister who visited the crash scene dismissed claims of a missile strike
:01:58. > :01:59.by Islamic militants. He said the plane's recovered black box
:02:00. > :02:04.recorders would show what happened, but he thought the most likely cause
:02:05. > :02:07.was technical difficulty. TRANSLATION: The emergency ministry
:02:08. > :02:14.in Russia said it was sending several planes to Russia -- Egypt
:02:15. > :02:19.overnight. One of them was due to start bringing back the bodies of
:02:20. > :02:23.the dead. Buses have already been seen leaving Cairo airport. In Saint
:02:24. > :02:27.Petersburg, relatives of those who have died will be offered
:02:28. > :02:33.counselling. This man's wife was on board. He said he was on his way to
:02:34. > :02:36.the airport when he got a call saying the plane had crashed. The
:02:37. > :02:43.first images of the victims are beginning to emerge. There were 25
:02:44. > :02:47.children on board. An international team of investigators will try to
:02:48. > :02:50.find the cause of the crash. The wife of the co-pilot told Russian TV
:02:51. > :02:54.he had been worried about the technical condition of the plane,
:02:55. > :02:56.but the airline Metro Jets said the plane was in good shape and the pile
:02:57. > :03:00.was very experienced. Police and security services won't
:03:01. > :03:03.be given the right to see everyone's internet browsing history, as the
:03:04. > :03:05.government seeks to ease concerns Details of the new measures have
:03:06. > :03:11.emerged, as ministers prepare to publish landmark legislation to
:03:12. > :03:13.fight terrorism and serious crime The bill has been dubbed by some
:03:14. > :03:22.as a "snoopers' charter". Privacy campaigners have vowed
:03:23. > :03:25.to fight any attempt to force Voting has begun
:03:26. > :03:29.in Turkey's second general election in five months, which was triggered
:03:30. > :03:32.by a breakdown in talks President Erdogan's AK party,
:03:33. > :03:35.which lost its parliamentary majority in June,
:03:36. > :03:37.has promised a return to stability, after a series of bomb attacks and
:03:38. > :03:40.rising ethnic tensions linked to the Almost six million people are paid
:03:41. > :03:54.less than the Living Wage, The number has risen
:03:55. > :03:58.by half a million in the last year. It comes as another report, from
:03:59. > :04:01.the employer group, Business in the Community, says companies can reap
:04:02. > :04:08.rewards by improving staff benefits. Riot police, armed with batons
:04:09. > :04:10.and shields, confronted crowds throwing bottles and chairs
:04:11. > :04:15.after an illegal rave in London. Trouble erupted as hundreds
:04:16. > :04:17.of people attempted to get into the event on Black Prince Road
:04:18. > :04:22.in Lambeth. Four police officers have been
:04:23. > :04:24.treated at the scene The disturbance lasted
:04:25. > :04:28.for several hours, and was contained I'll be back with the headlines
:04:29. > :04:50.just before ten o'clock. The Observer saying that Theresa May
:04:51. > :04:55.has been forced to backtrack over the so-called Snoopers' Charter. Is
:04:56. > :05:07.that true? We will find out later. The Sunday Times, did Isis down that
:05:08. > :05:13.Russian plane? The answer seems to be no, because the missiles would
:05:14. > :05:16.not have reached that far. The Independent on Sunday, death in the
:05:17. > :05:20.desert. Lots of things to talk about and a great piece in the mail on
:05:21. > :05:33.Sunday. Talking about the cover-up of the Iraq war revelation saying
:05:34. > :05:38.that ministers were told to burn evidence. We start with the two
:05:39. > :05:42.reason may cover-up, not cover-up, backtrack, you turning. I was ticked
:05:43. > :05:44.off by the reason this morning in the corridor, saying it is not the
:05:45. > :05:51.Snoopers' Charter, that was a different legislation. This is
:05:52. > :05:55.another one. I think you have done my interview for me! LAUGHTER
:05:56. > :05:58.It raises the debate as to whether the government should have more
:05:59. > :06:04.powers to look into our internet history or not. There is a very good
:06:05. > :06:07.piece from Henry Porter in the Observer, where he says this is
:06:08. > :06:10.basically the civil liberties argument. Don't be called, it is
:06:11. > :06:15.just another way of the government being able to pry into our lives. I
:06:16. > :06:19.would be quite happy for anyone to look at anything in my internet,
:06:20. > :06:23.they can look at my Tesco shop, messages from the office saying my
:06:24. > :06:29.column is rubbish, they can see it all if it keeps people say. There
:06:30. > :06:33.are a lot of people who appeared to being actual physical to save we
:06:34. > :06:40.want to be kept safe but don't want to publish our internet data. You
:06:41. > :06:44.might not mind your Tesco data, but your credit card information is on
:06:45. > :06:48.there, and as TalkTalk hackers have told us, this legislation would mean
:06:49. > :06:51.that small companies who do not have the same levels of encryption would
:06:52. > :06:55.have to keep data for months and months, and your data could be
:06:56. > :07:01.hacked, what will it be used for? I don't care, if there was not another
:07:02. > :07:05.bombing in London. Unless you are planning one, I don't suppose it
:07:06. > :07:10.matters! I think we can be sure that she is not. Now then, the Russian
:07:11. > :07:15.plane disaster is everywhere. Quite a lot of the papers are leading with
:07:16. > :07:24.the Russian airliner. Isis have taken credit for it. " Credit", as
:07:25. > :07:27.such. A strange thing to take credit as such. It is an absolute tragic
:07:28. > :07:34.disaster but it is not known what has happened yet. It is hilarious to
:07:35. > :07:37.think someone would take credit for something like this. But actually we
:07:38. > :07:43.will probably know later today once the black boxes have been opened.
:07:44. > :07:47.They can tell a lot from that. But it takes them weeks and weeks to go
:07:48. > :07:50.through it all and it does seem rather a hideous thing for Isis to
:07:51. > :07:56.say yes, we killed 25 young children. One child was ten months
:07:57. > :08:00.old. It is the fact it is a Russian airliner, I think, that makes it
:08:01. > :08:05.questionable because of Russia's involvement now in Syria.
:08:06. > :08:10.Potentially reasons to be worried, but at the moment it looks very like
:08:11. > :08:16.it was just a thought with the airline. Just a terrible tragedy.
:08:17. > :08:21.There was a lesser tragedy last night. But a tragedy from your point
:08:22. > :08:25.of view, nonetheless. The great All Blacks scuppering the Wallabies,
:08:26. > :08:30.they were crushed. New Zealand are a fantastic team. Jim White got very
:08:31. > :08:36.excited in front of the Telegraph, he said this New Zealand team worth
:08:37. > :08:40."not just the finer side ever to play their game, but the best team
:08:41. > :08:45.in the history of sport". I don't think so, but it was fantastic. I
:08:46. > :08:49.have watched most every single match and I don't know very much about...
:08:50. > :08:54.I haven't watched a single second of it I'm afraid to say. You have so
:08:55. > :08:58.missed out. All it represents is that my father has not baby-sat my
:08:59. > :09:02.children for however long it has been going on. I hope somebody will
:09:03. > :09:08.be dropping them around him later. The All Blacks winning I think is a
:09:09. > :09:11.great thing, but... It has been a completely brilliant tournament, and
:09:12. > :09:20.how often do you get to see that many hunky men on the TV set...
:09:21. > :09:27.Despite Scotland being robbed. Oh, stop. Let's go to the Sunday Times.
:09:28. > :09:30.Another U-turn from the Tories. We should say the minister in charge Mr
:09:31. > :09:35.Gibb has been tweeting it is not true already. Tell us the original
:09:36. > :09:38.story. The original story is that Nicky Morgan will do a speech on
:09:39. > :09:44.Thursday this week that says they will climb down from all of the
:09:45. > :09:47.testing they will do on primary school children. It is a bad week
:09:48. > :09:50.for the Tories were a lot of their plans, Snoopers' Charter, tax
:09:51. > :09:55.credits, and now this are having to be backtrack. It is basically about
:09:56. > :09:59.small children being tested. I have children who are seven and ten, and
:10:00. > :10:04.the amount of ridiculous testing their teachers are put through in
:10:05. > :10:09.fact. It seems like a bit of a victory for the union to miss one,
:10:10. > :10:13.because they have had a look at this one... Which is probably why they
:10:14. > :10:21.are tweeting it is not true! We can't leave the rugby without this
:10:22. > :10:29.wonderful new love affair. Jerry Hall, the great Texan model, and
:10:30. > :10:36.Rupert Maiga, they are now -- Rupert Murdoch, they are now an item. You
:10:37. > :10:43.can be the younger woman if you go out with an 84-year-old man, I
:10:44. > :10:50.suppose. Or the carer, I think you will find. Shaker Aamer back in the
:10:51. > :10:55.UK. The Daily Mail campaign for him for a long time. It has been a
:10:56. > :10:58.difficult campaign in lots of ways because many of our readers who
:10:59. > :11:02.don't believe there are -- that he is innocent. There are a lot of
:11:03. > :11:06.people in this country who think we should be able to bang people up
:11:07. > :11:11.without trial. I don't believe so, it is completely against everything
:11:12. > :11:15.that our democracy stands for. Like the other 12 detainees from Quantel
:11:16. > :11:20.Abeid who came back, he will get a million quid out of the government.
:11:21. > :11:25.He has already started suing. -- from one can obey. The man -- Quandt
:11:26. > :11:44.obey. one out of 12 did that. I don't
:11:45. > :11:51.think the one needs to be highlighted. A very interesting
:11:52. > :11:55.story, the novelist John Lanchester. Who wrote the brilliant book,
:11:56. > :11:59.Capital, and now owning the idea that the crash in 2008 is just
:12:00. > :12:05.happening all over again and we are about to walk another crisis, where
:12:06. > :12:10.house prices are hugely rising and it is about to crash all over again.
:12:11. > :12:16.Why didn't we see it coming when it has happened in such recent... So we
:12:17. > :12:18.could be on the edge of yet another bubble, and other financial crash,
:12:19. > :12:25.that will worry an awful lot of people. Toby Jones who starred in
:12:26. > :12:29.that film Capital will be on sofa in the next couple of weeks. Another
:12:30. > :12:36.disturbing story in the papers today. Did Julia lies that the prime
:12:37. > :12:41.cause of death among men under the age of 45 is suicide now? I mean it
:12:42. > :12:45.is just staggering. That report was out this week or that said that
:12:46. > :12:48.young white boys are the ones being left behind educationally, in terms
:12:49. > :12:51.of getting jobs as they get older, and it just seems a terrible social
:12:52. > :12:56.trends that they are becoming this minority, often the Mayan --
:12:57. > :13:01.majority, who are just let down by everything or part of society. There
:13:02. > :13:07.is an argument at looking at how we gender our services. What is that
:13:08. > :13:11.mean? Certain services are targeted at women, very specifically targeted
:13:12. > :13:14.at women and actually mental health services and what this newspaper
:13:15. > :13:20.article says has failed to reach men. It has failed to target it. If
:13:21. > :13:27.it was a shaving foam company, rather than the NHS, it would have
:13:28. > :13:31.had to target at men better. I am tempted to say perhaps we should
:13:32. > :13:36.have international men's day! You might be tempted to say that but it
:13:37. > :13:40.wouldn't help any of these people. I raise that obviously because you had
:13:41. > :13:44.a ferocious argument with a Tory MP, who went for you, and then you had a
:13:45. > :13:52.horrible lot of trolling online. You had a very rough week, picked up by
:13:53. > :13:58.the Observer. Leigh it is. Tell us a bit about what happened. Like many
:13:59. > :14:03.people before me, like you I'm sure, people threatened to rate, bind and
:14:04. > :14:05.gagged me on the internet this week because I spoke from a feminist
:14:06. > :14:16.perspective, which apparently is anathema. It is what Barbara Ellen
:14:17. > :14:20.says is it is just another story about a woman getting threats. We
:14:21. > :14:26.have become anaesthetised to it. When I look at the comments online,
:14:27. > :14:38.social media, I seldom do it, but sometimes just for fun I see family
:14:39. > :14:42.times I am going to be rates. I was getting messages saying that they
:14:43. > :14:47.hoped I come home and found my sons hanging, and my sons are seven and
:14:48. > :14:51.ten. I have never done Twitter. I don't do anything like that,
:14:52. > :14:57.Facebook or anything, because it is just an invitation. And you never
:14:58. > :15:00.get anything nice. It is just so relentlessly horrible. Some people
:15:01. > :15:04.would say it is a bit of double standards, you admiring those hunky
:15:05. > :15:10.rugby players in their shorts, and if I was a bloke saying I love
:15:11. > :15:17.watching Wimbledon for women in those shorts. I don't care. It isn't
:15:18. > :15:22.backed up by years and years of only being seen as a six object. It is
:15:23. > :15:24.completely different. Gang up on me, that is fine. Where are we going
:15:25. > :15:37.next? Just about men and bolts. I am
:15:38. > :15:42.pleased to say that there seems to have been real strides in improving
:15:43. > :15:51.women's Rolan sports. This is the women in charge of tennis. -- woman.
:15:52. > :15:56.Yes. This summer, there has been a lot of coverage of women in sport.
:15:57. > :16:01.Football and everything. Lots of girls now play rugby, which
:16:02. > :16:13.astounded me. Women's rugby is really taking off. But you cannot do
:16:14. > :16:18.that. Do not be relentless. -- ridiculous. I think we are more
:16:19. > :16:27.tender on the front. Men are tender elsewhere. I think it is noncontact.
:16:28. > :16:34.What is the point if it is not contact? This is a man who struggles
:16:35. > :16:38.with Parkinson's. And cancer. We are all moved by Billy Connolly. He is
:16:39. > :16:44.one of those people who is universally loved. He has been
:16:45. > :16:49.writing to his grandchildren since before they were born, because he
:16:50. > :16:54.knows that they will not have him as part of their lives. It is not about
:16:55. > :17:00.him dying, it is about him saying, it is a wonderful world. This is
:17:01. > :17:05.what you need to cherish. Did you see the film where he is playing an
:17:06. > :17:09.old man who died on the beach. He said that years of fighting so that
:17:10. > :17:16.his two kids would send him off and burn him. Now we have time for Kate
:17:17. > :17:20.Winslet. She is saying that her children should put down the iPad
:17:21. > :17:26.and get of social media. Good on her. Good on her for not wanting her
:17:27. > :17:33.children to be exposed to the staff that we have talked about, however,
:17:34. > :17:38.we all know that the iPad is among's best friend. I would not be
:17:39. > :17:42.able to do some of the work that I do at home if it were not for these
:17:43. > :17:48.devices. But I see what she is saying. She is starring in the film
:17:49. > :17:51.that is going to be produced about Steve jobs. She does not like her
:17:52. > :18:03.children having strangers talk to them. I do not give a monkeys what
:18:04. > :18:07.these idiots say to me. But my seven-year-old likes to look at
:18:08. > :18:13.newspaper articles about me. If PCs people threatening his life, that is
:18:14. > :18:17.pretty awful. I can see where Kate Winslet is coming from, but I will
:18:18. > :18:24.not be telling my kids to put the iPhone down. Thank you very much. I
:18:25. > :18:30.work across region's par classmates and it was beautiful. A lovely
:18:31. > :18:33.sunset. There was an Indian field to the air. What is the rest of
:18:34. > :18:41.November going to feel like, can it last?
:18:42. > :18:46.The rest of this week looks mild. We have got these problems with fog
:18:47. > :18:51.this morning. Hence fog in places costing travel disruption out on the
:18:52. > :18:53.roads. If you're heading out, your BBC local radio station will keep
:18:54. > :18:59.you up-to-date with any travel problems. The fog is expensive
:19:00. > :19:05.across England and Wales. Some for Northern Ireland and Scotland. As we
:19:06. > :19:09.go through the day, for the South West and West Wales, the fog will
:19:10. > :19:15.clear nicely. We will see sunshine and maybe 18 degrees. In some parts
:19:16. > :19:19.of the south-east, not everywhere, and also in the Vale of York,
:19:20. > :19:26.Lincolnshire, the fog and low cloud mated linger through the day. You
:19:27. > :19:30.might only get 10 degrees. Sunny spells across Scotland, breezy with
:19:31. > :19:36.more cloud across the Western and Northern Isles. Overnight, Scotland
:19:37. > :19:43.should avoid the fog, but it will return with a vengeance at across
:19:44. > :19:46.England and Wales. Widespread fog, temperatures around 8 degrees. With
:19:47. > :19:50.all the fog around, the Monday morning commute to be troublesome.
:19:51. > :19:56.In some places, we will struggle to lift the fog. Across the South West
:19:57. > :20:02.and Wales, we will eventually get some sunshine tomorrow afternoon.
:20:03. > :20:05.As we've heard in the papers, a lot about Europe and Britain's
:20:06. > :20:07.Now whoever ends up leading the campaign
:20:08. > :20:11.for Britain to leave the EU, no-one has a longer track record on this
:20:12. > :20:18.Welcome. Good morning. It has been the week when lots of people who are
:20:19. > :20:22.pro-staying in the EU, and the Prime Minister has made his most
:20:23. > :20:27.pro-Europe comments in a long time, it is a week when we have been
:20:28. > :20:31.looking at the options for Britain outside European Union. Can I raise
:20:32. > :20:38.what the Prime Minister was seeing? Norway spends more per head on the
:20:39. > :20:40.EU than we do, and more people migrate into Norway than
:20:41. > :20:45.proportionately come here, so life outside is not quite so sunny? The
:20:46. > :20:48.fact we are discussing this shows you that the renegotiation is not
:20:49. > :20:52.going anywhere. Rather than attacking him for his lack of demand
:20:53. > :20:57.is, he is trying to move the debate on. I find it odd in one way that we
:20:58. > :21:03.are told by British politicians that we are not big enough to survive on
:21:04. > :21:07.a run in the world. Then you see examples of little countries advice
:21:08. > :21:11.-- surviving on their own, and they are much richer than we are, and the
:21:12. > :21:17.Prime Minister is being disparaging about them. Norway sells 75% of its
:21:18. > :21:22.overseas goods to the European marketplace. It trades with the
:21:23. > :21:26.European marketplace at a premium. It has opted to be a member of the
:21:27. > :21:30.European economic area. It is an anteroom for the European Union. It
:21:31. > :21:37.means free movement of people, but they do pay some money, voluntarily.
:21:38. > :21:42.Those arrangements it Norway. We're a country 65 million people. We are
:21:43. > :21:49.the biggest trading market in the world for the Eurozone. They sell as
:21:50. > :21:54.?50 billion worth of goods every year, 50 billion more than we sell
:21:55. > :21:58.them every year. If Norway, Iceland and Switzerland can get deals that
:21:59. > :22:03.suit them, we can do better than that. Some people say, I would like
:22:04. > :22:08.to be out of the EU, we can control our borders, our Parliament can be
:22:09. > :22:12.sovereign again. People are worried about the economic consequences
:22:13. > :22:19.because they have not heard a detailed account of a relationship
:22:20. > :22:22.of Britain with the EU. How would it be negotiated? We would be getting
:22:23. > :22:26.out of political union with Europe and rejoining the world. We are the
:22:27. > :22:31.fifth or sixth biggest economy in the world, depending on what measure
:22:32. > :22:36.you use, and we are banned for making our own trade deals with any
:22:37. > :22:40.part of the world. I want a simple trade agreement with the European
:22:41. > :22:45.Union, not to be a member of the political club, not to be subject to
:22:46. > :22:49.the decisions of its courts, and to be free. Would you want access to
:22:50. > :22:53.the single market? I would want access, just as China and every
:22:54. > :22:58.other country in the world does, but I do not want to be a member and kid
:22:59. > :23:02.is why. Only 15% of the British economy is exporting goods to the
:23:03. > :23:07.European Union yet the regulations of that market affect 100% of the
:23:08. > :23:10.British economy. Freed from political union, we will go on
:23:11. > :23:14.buying and selling goods with each other, but we will be free to make
:23:15. > :23:18.on trade deals until it at the massive European law which falls on
:23:19. > :23:25.small and medium-sized businesses and say, economically we would be
:23:26. > :23:28.better off outside than in. Countries like Norway and
:23:29. > :23:33.Switzerland have to pay a hefty prize in two EU covers for the
:23:34. > :23:37.privilege of being able to trade. Norway voluntarily pays most of this
:23:38. > :23:42.money and it does not go to Brussels. It goes directly to the
:23:43. > :23:47.new accession countries. It is completely different and Cameron put
:23:48. > :23:53.that falsely the other day. Norway can afford to give people money. It
:23:54. > :23:58.is rich and successful. It has got fish. Bluetit Scotland than these
:23:59. > :24:03.coast of England. We have given away a tremendous resource worth billions
:24:04. > :24:07.of pounds a year. Norway chooses its own deal, we will choose our own
:24:08. > :24:11.deal. We are much stronger negotiating position the Norway has
:24:12. > :24:15.been. You said that we could trade with the rest of the world. At the
:24:16. > :24:20.US trade representative is very clear, he said, we are not
:24:21. > :24:33.interested in a free-trade agreement with a separate country, do a
:24:34. > :24:36.free-trade deal -- deal with the EU, and if Britain left, British goods
:24:37. > :24:38.would be paying a tariff. He has clearly been paid to say that. This
:24:39. > :24:41.is the big political club gathering around the Prime Minister who is in
:24:42. > :24:43.desperate trouble. This is laughable. America has a free-trade
:24:44. > :24:48.deal with Australia. While you seriously telling me that their
:24:49. > :24:51.oldest and closest global ally, with whom they do enormous amounts of
:24:52. > :24:56.business and with whom big commercial companies would say, do
:24:57. > :25:00.not talk such nonsense, he says it is an attempt to scaremonger by a
:25:01. > :25:05.paid official. It sounds scary to me. He said, it is clear that
:25:06. > :25:12.Britain has a greater voice betrayed table being part of the EU, part of
:25:13. > :25:16.a larger economic entity, we are not in the market for free-trade
:25:17. > :25:19.agreements with other countries. We have no free-trade agreement with
:25:20. > :25:23.the UK so they would be subject to the same tariffs and other trade
:25:24. > :25:29.related measures as China, Brazil and India. It is early, so I will
:25:30. > :25:33.not tell you what irony think about what he said. Go on. Britain has
:25:34. > :25:39.more influence in the world as part of the EU. We do not even have a
:25:40. > :25:44.seat at the World Trade Organisation. We have been asked
:25:45. > :25:50.before to leave the room. El Salvador has a voice. We would have
:25:51. > :25:54.more of a voice with her own seat at the World Trade Organisation. We're
:25:55. > :25:58.an independent country. Switzerland has more free-trade deals globally
:25:59. > :26:04.than we do and she has negotiated for herself. Who is paying him to
:26:05. > :26:09.see this kind of stuff? The State Department. You think this is the
:26:10. > :26:14.big eyes ganging up on the UK? It is the big guys politically ganging up.
:26:15. > :26:19.In the commercial world, this is not happening. The big bosses from this
:26:20. > :26:25.nursing, we will go on making cars in Sunderland regard -- regardless
:26:26. > :26:31.of whether we're in a political union or not. Standard we would
:26:32. > :26:34.lose our triple A rating. Is this the same organisation that must read
:26:35. > :26:42.the biggest economic collapse of all time? I do not think the economic to
:26:43. > :26:48.but -- economic credibility is high. These voices are all speaking from
:26:49. > :26:52.the same hymn book. We know that it does have an effect from the
:26:53. > :26:55.Scottish referendum. These are political voices. What you're
:26:56. > :27:00.hearing from the trade envoy is a political voice, not an economic
:27:01. > :27:04.voice. What we are hearing from big global companies is that Britain
:27:05. > :27:07.will continue to trade and buy and sell goods and services back and
:27:08. > :27:11.forward between Britain and Europe regardless of whether we are members
:27:12. > :27:16.of the political union. Freed from that, we would have better
:27:17. > :27:21.opportunities globally. Standard and Pereyra said it would be worse for
:27:22. > :27:27.us if Scotland voted to leave the UK. Do you think that is a serious
:27:28. > :27:31.threat? They have gone from economic forecasters to political
:27:32. > :27:35.forecasters. We should ignore them on that. What about the projected
:27:36. > :27:39.eye watering rises in the UK population, another 10 million
:27:40. > :27:44.people in a generation. What effect would that have won Britain? I have
:27:45. > :27:48.been saying this for a decade. The population rising as rapidly as it
:27:49. > :27:51.is is impossible for our primary school system to cope with,
:27:52. > :27:55.impossible for our health services, we'll ready have to build a new
:27:56. > :28:03.house every seven minutes in this country just to cope with current
:28:04. > :28:05.migration levels. It is interesting that Theresa May is on today because
:28:06. > :28:09.she has picked up this thing strongly. It has led to a lack of
:28:10. > :28:12.cohesion and division within our society. Some would argue that if 10
:28:13. > :28:17.million more people come, our GDP will rise. Some things are more
:28:18. > :28:22.important than money and the shape and happiness of this country
:28:23. > :28:25.matters more. If there are another 10 million people in the next 25
:28:26. > :28:30.years, are quality-of-life will go down. Is there any way that we can
:28:31. > :28:35.retain control of the number coming in well we are inside the EU?
:28:36. > :28:41.Absolutely not, that is no way we can do that. We may get a deal on
:28:42. > :28:47.migrant benefits but we will not get a deal on open door. Two weeks ago,
:28:48. > :28:50.the EU decided, surprisingly, to speed up the accession deal with
:28:51. > :28:55.Turkey, which means another 75 million more people would have free
:28:56. > :28:59.rights to move to Britain or elsewhere. You talk very eloquently
:29:00. > :29:04.about this. You will have seen that Theresa May is the popular choice to
:29:05. > :29:08.lead this campaign, according to one newspaper. She is the person who
:29:09. > :29:14.could bring over dissident Tories, Ukip, how do you react to that? She
:29:15. > :29:17.cannot bring Ukip over because the figures on that were overwhelming. I
:29:18. > :29:22.have been campaigning on that for years. That opinion poll said I
:29:23. > :29:27.could bring people into this campaign from the Labour Party, from
:29:28. > :29:32.undecided conservatives. Theresa May is the longest serving Home
:29:33. > :29:36.Secretary of modern times. She has presided over the most disastrous
:29:37. > :29:40.immigration figures. If that person was to say, I have been at the sharp
:29:41. > :29:45.end, we cannot do this is EU members, we need a better way, of
:29:46. > :29:51.course the public would come behind it. So would I. You would welcome
:29:52. > :29:55.her? I would be delighted. You have more to talk about, including the
:29:56. > :29:58.by-election that is coming up, but for now, thank you. Thank you.
:29:59. > :30:01.For rock music fans, this year marks the 50th anniversary
:30:02. > :30:03.of Pink Floyd, one of the most successful and influential bands
:30:04. > :30:06.ever, and its leader, David Gilmour, believe it or not, is nearly 70.
:30:07. > :30:09.But he's touring the world with a new album and remains,
:30:10. > :30:12.as we shall hear, as radical as ever I'm going to be talking to
:30:13. > :30:15.him in a moment, but first here's a clip of Rattle That Lock,
:30:16. > :30:38.# Rattle that lock and lose those chains
:30:39. > :30:58.Rattle That Lock, that is the new album. You are writing as much as
:30:59. > :31:01.ever. At your age and stage, are the songs notably different from the
:31:02. > :31:06.songs that David Gilmour was writing in your 30s and 40s? Hopefully they
:31:07. > :31:12.are better, there is no intention to them to be anything particularly
:31:13. > :31:16.different. No, just writing constantly. And what is it about
:31:17. > :31:19.going on tour again that excites you, because you are doing South
:31:20. > :31:22.America as welcome all over the place. I would have thought
:31:23. > :31:28.physically absolutely shattering, so why do you put yourself through it?
:31:29. > :31:31.Funnily enough, working on the album, finishing the album, doing
:31:32. > :31:35.all the rehearsals, all the promotional stuff that you do is
:31:36. > :31:38.harder work than doing the touring, because once everything is settled
:31:39. > :31:42.and you just had to get on the stage and do the thing that hopefully you
:31:43. > :31:50.can do reasonably well, it is actually easier. And the touring is
:31:51. > :31:54.not in term time, we are doing it in school holidays, so that I can be
:31:55. > :32:00.around during term time for my kids. A lot of this was written with your
:32:01. > :32:02.wife, Polly Sampson. She is a well-known novelist and story writer
:32:03. > :32:12.but she rides the lyrics, though she? She has written most of the
:32:13. > :32:16.lyrics, and on my last album in 2006, and the last Pink Floyd album,
:32:17. > :32:20.even the Division Cowan Bell, four albums now. You have the Dave
:32:21. > :32:24.Gilmour team around you now, not Pink Floyd, how different does it
:32:25. > :32:30.feel? It is not that different, I can be more of a despot, which is
:32:31. > :32:34.always fun. The whole tour, the music we are playing has taken its
:32:35. > :32:39.own shape as we have been going through the rehearsals. We can be
:32:40. > :32:43.forgiven for thinking that it is fairly influenced by some of the
:32:44. > :32:45.Pink Floyd shows we have done. Of all those great songs, is there one
:32:46. > :32:51.that you think that is the greatest song I have written? I have an
:32:52. > :32:58.answer to this. I am intrigued to hear your answer. I love lots of
:32:59. > :33:02.them for many different reasons. The ones that are the most popular, the
:33:03. > :33:06.once you play the most often, the once you start thinking, God, have
:33:07. > :33:15.overly play this song enough? The real answer of course is Comfortably
:33:16. > :33:22.Numb. Let's here a bit of that. # A distant ship,
:33:23. > :33:26.smoke on the horizon # You are only coming through
:33:27. > :33:27.in waves # Your lips move but I can't
:33:28. > :33:56.hear what you're saying It always gets me. One thing I have
:33:57. > :34:00.not got, on the Wall, we don't need no education, that seems to be
:34:01. > :34:05.rather a reactionary sentiment. Roger would say it is all in the
:34:06. > :34:10.context. I suspect now I'm not sure how good an idea it was to put
:34:11. > :34:15.something out like that as a single. Because we all do need education.
:34:16. > :34:19.Absolutely. Roger was talking about the type of teachers and the type of
:34:20. > :34:25.teaching that was fairly common in schools in this country when we were
:34:26. > :34:28.growing up. But, no, I think I wouldn't put that out as a song
:34:29. > :34:33.right now. Speaking of kids, your adoptive son went through the courts
:34:34. > :34:38.and all the rest of it, the protests that he was involved in. What effect
:34:39. > :34:45.that have on the family? It is terrible when your son, one of your
:34:46. > :34:49.children get sent off to prison, and when you are so aggrieved about what
:34:50. > :34:58.you perceive as the injustice of the situation. He did offend a lot of
:34:59. > :35:05.people. He did offend some people. His intention was to do good. And he
:35:06. > :35:09.wanted to fight against student fees for university, something which he
:35:10. > :35:14.personally was not going to have any benefit from. He took part in those
:35:15. > :35:24.demonstrations for that reason. But he did sort of loses weight a little
:35:25. > :35:27.bit. But I still cannot believe -- he did sort of lose his way a little
:35:28. > :35:32.bit, but what I see as minor offences, don't think he deserved
:35:33. > :35:36.what he got. Your own parents, they were natural protesters, they were
:35:37. > :35:45.on marches. A lot of protest in the family. Did rattle those chains and
:35:46. > :35:50.the themes of that new album bear any relation to what Charlie went
:35:51. > :35:53.through? I don't think so. Charlie's situation is a very minor
:35:54. > :35:59.one in relation to all the terrible things that are going on. He has
:36:00. > :36:05.just been in the papers for being at the protests at Saint Pancras
:36:06. > :36:09.Station last week. It shouldn't really be part of the story. He
:36:10. > :36:13.shouldn't be part of the story, it is a much bigger story that is much
:36:14. > :36:17.more interesting. But I am thinking more about the experience of prison
:36:18. > :36:25.has led you to work with the Liberty Choir. We will hear from them. A
:36:26. > :36:30.South London choir, led by a woman who used to do a lot of journalism
:36:31. > :36:35.here. Part of that choir goes into Wandsworth prison with the blessing
:36:36. > :36:42.of the Governor of the prison, and in their they get to sing along with
:36:43. > :36:45.this choir. These are prisoners in the last few months of their
:36:46. > :36:50.sentences. And when they come out, they are welcomed to go and join in
:36:51. > :36:57.the South London choir every once we can think it is. And that gives them
:36:58. > :37:02.a place to go to, a place to help them back into Sciustree edit, where
:37:03. > :37:07.people welcome them. -- into society a bit. And they get to sing, which
:37:08. > :37:10.is a joyful, wonderful experience. Because we don't think enough about
:37:11. > :37:14.what happens to people in prison, perhaps. I can remember a former
:37:15. > :37:17.chief inspector of prisons saying that there are 70,000 people in
:37:18. > :37:20.prison and all but six of them are coming out again, so we have to
:37:21. > :37:25.think about what they will do when they come out again. That needs to
:37:26. > :37:29.be looked at a lot more, I think. Half of them should not be in there
:37:30. > :37:34.anyway in my humble view. I am a sophisticated man, I very rarely
:37:35. > :37:36.shake with when guests are on, but it has been a great privilege to
:37:37. > :37:38.have you. Thank you very much. There's nobody
:37:39. > :37:40.in politics facing a tougher week The Home Secretary is
:37:41. > :37:44.about to publish a new bill to give wide powers to the security services
:37:45. > :37:46.and the police. They have asked to be able to trawl
:37:47. > :37:49.through everybody's online activity; mobile phone calls, internet use,
:37:50. > :37:51.texts, and the rest. There is going to be an almighty row
:37:52. > :38:04.about oversight and safeguards. Welcome, Home Secretary. Thanks for
:38:05. > :38:06.coming in. Can I ask first of all how this new measure differs from
:38:07. > :38:11.the so-called Snoopers' Charter that were shot down in 2012? It is quite
:38:12. > :38:15.different from the draft an negations data bill in a number of
:38:16. > :38:20.ways. It doesn't have some of the more contentious powers that were in
:38:21. > :38:24.that bill. For example, we won't be requiring communication service
:38:25. > :38:28.providers from the UK to store third-party data. We won't be making
:38:29. > :38:33.the same requirements in relation to data retention on overseas CSPs, and
:38:34. > :38:37.crucially, and this is where I take a little bit of contention with what
:38:38. > :38:43.you have just said, we will not be giving powers to go through people's
:38:44. > :38:47.browsing history. That is not what the investigatory Powers Bill is
:38:48. > :38:50.about. I mention it because the police had asked for it and I
:38:51. > :38:55.assumed you were going to give them that. This is the data, what sort of
:38:56. > :38:58.thing, who has spoken to who, who has been on what sort of website,
:38:59. > :39:03.rather than what they have been looking at on the website? Is that
:39:04. > :39:06.right? Yes, and if I can give a real-life example, if you imagine
:39:07. > :39:10.that the police are dealing with the case of a missing person, they would
:39:11. > :39:13.want currently to look to see who was in touch with that individual
:39:14. > :39:17.before they went missing. So they would look at their telephone
:39:18. > :39:22.records, they would be able to see who had been telephoned, in terms of
:39:23. > :39:26.the telephone numbers. Of course, as people move into the digital age,
:39:27. > :39:29.they no longer always communicate on telephone, they communicate over the
:39:30. > :39:34.internet, so what we are talking about is just knowing that first
:39:35. > :39:39.step, who has been contacted. Has Andrew Marr been talking to David
:39:40. > :39:42.Gilmour, that kind of thing? Did this particular device access what's
:39:43. > :39:47.at at ten past one, and Facebook at five-minute past two. It doesn't go
:39:48. > :39:50.beyond that. Another example, because it might be very useful to
:39:51. > :39:57.know what people have been doing online. Suppose somebody is on a per
:39:58. > :40:01.no graffiti so, would it not be interesting to know if he'd --
:40:02. > :40:08.useful to know if he had been searching for young girls or young
:40:09. > :40:11.boys? It is precisely this area of why we want this ability to look at
:40:12. > :40:17.these internet connection records. Don't you need to know more, is my
:40:18. > :40:20.point? If there were more intrusive requirements, warrants are required
:40:21. > :40:23.for them, and part of the bill is make sure we have oversight
:40:24. > :40:28.arrangements in place for all of these powers, strong oversight
:40:29. > :40:31.arrangements. It is about bringing the ability of our law enforcement
:40:32. > :40:35.and certain security services to deal with the issues they are
:40:36. > :40:38.dealing with, with the criminals and terrorists, bringing that forward
:40:39. > :40:42.into the digital age. As the criminals move into the digital age,
:40:43. > :40:45.so do those who are searching out those criminals and ensuring we can
:40:46. > :40:50.stop them and disrupt them. You have talked a lot about oversight. One of
:40:51. > :40:53.the big issues is whether that would be held by politicians, or whether
:40:54. > :40:57.independent judges will have a role in this. This is talking about the
:40:58. > :41:00.most intrusive powers, some of the most intrusive powers governments
:41:01. > :41:04.have the intercept people's communications. We had three
:41:05. > :41:07.reviews. One of the things the bill is doing is responding to three
:41:08. > :41:12.separate reviews that took place, looking at these powers. They all
:41:13. > :41:16.said those powers were necessary. The independent reviewer of
:41:17. > :41:19.terrorist legislation Parliamentary committee and the Royal United
:41:20. > :41:23.services Institute, they all said these powers are necessary, but they
:41:24. > :41:27.all came out with a different answer in relation to the authorisation of
:41:28. > :41:30.warrants. What I am clear about is I will be explaining what the
:41:31. > :41:33.government's position is to Parliament this week. What I am
:41:34. > :41:37.clear about is that there will be in this build strong oversight and
:41:38. > :41:42.authorisation arrangements. David Anderson, the government's advise on
:41:43. > :41:46.all of this, was very clear. He said there had to be independent judges,
:41:47. > :41:50.separate from politicians, involved in the process. Will he be happy
:41:51. > :41:57.with what comes out? David Anderson said judges should be doing
:41:58. > :41:59.authorisation, the Royal United services Institute said that some
:42:00. > :42:03.warrants should be done by judges and some by the Secretary of State.
:42:04. > :42:07.We have looked very carefully at those are tenants, we have lessened
:42:08. > :42:10.the people. I have met communication service providers, Civil Liberties
:42:11. > :42:16.groups, and crucially I have also met charities -- we have listened to
:42:17. > :42:20.people. And charities representing victims who know what it is like
:42:21. > :42:25.when people suffer from child sexual abuse and rape for example. So I
:42:26. > :42:31.very clear at the need for these powers. But with proper regulation,
:42:32. > :42:35.oversight. Luke what the bill will do on Wednesday, it sets a modern
:42:36. > :42:40.legal framework but crucially it has very strong oversight oversight
:42:41. > :42:43.arrangements on it, I think world leading oversight arrangements
:42:44. > :42:46.within the bill, and it will be clearer and more, offensive and
:42:47. > :42:49.conference will than the previous legislation has been. When it comes
:42:50. > :42:56.to the more intrusive warrants, you see about 1400 's of those a year.
:42:57. > :43:05.Leigh it is more than that. Can I ask how long you spend on each one?
:43:06. > :43:09.As long as is necessary to give proper consideration for each one. I
:43:10. > :43:13.take it very seriously. There is time set aside every day that I'm in
:43:14. > :43:18.the Home Office, there is time set aside for me to look through those
:43:19. > :43:21.warrants and to decide. And the decisions about interception are
:43:22. > :43:24.based on necessity and proportionality. Some people
:43:25. > :43:28.watching will think it is a slightly old-fashioned, system, the Secretary
:43:29. > :43:32.of State with so many other responsible at his first set aside
:43:33. > :43:36.time go through these things every day. The case for you not doing it
:43:37. > :43:40.is quite high, isn't it? The three reviews came out with three
:43:41. > :43:45.different options. David Anderson was clear that he thought partly in
:43:46. > :43:47.relation to future proofing on future legal challenges perhaps,
:43:48. > :43:51.judicial authorisation was the right way. The Parliamentary committee,
:43:52. > :43:55.the intelligence and security committee of Parliament said there
:43:56. > :43:58.should be executive authorisation, ie the Secretary of State should
:43:59. > :44:00.still do it because of the accountability argument. We have
:44:01. > :44:04.looked at those arguments, listen to what people said, and we will be
:44:05. > :44:08.bringing for the government's position on Wednesday. It is very
:44:09. > :44:11.clear that what we will bring forward has very strong oversight
:44:12. > :44:14.arrangements. After the Charlie Hebdo massacre, the Prime Minister
:44:15. > :44:18.said in effect we had to having friction removed to protect
:44:19. > :44:23.ourselves. We could not have encrypted conversations between bad
:44:24. > :44:27.guys going on and stay safe. Is he right about that? We are not banning
:44:28. > :44:35.encryption, and encryption is an important issue... Why not it is
:44:36. > :44:38.important for people to keep people safe when dealing with these modern
:44:39. > :44:43.communications in the digital age, but we will be setting up a goat
:44:44. > :44:48.position which does -- setting up the current position, to issue
:44:49. > :44:51.warrants. What he said was in extremist, it has been possible in
:44:52. > :44:56.the past to read somebody's letter, to listen to somebody's call, the
:44:57. > :44:59.mobile communications, therefore he said the question remains are we
:45:00. > :45:03.going to allow means of communication is where it is a plea
:45:04. > :45:07.not possible to do that? My answer to that question is no we must not.
:45:08. > :45:14.The first duty of any government is to keep our people say. That is
:45:15. > :45:17.true, which is precisely why we are bringing forward the investigatory
:45:18. > :45:24.Powers Bill. It is precisely why we are setting out a very clearly cool
:45:25. > :45:27.framework. But encryption can stay? Encryption will not be banned within
:45:28. > :45:31.the bill but the existing arrangements, whereby obviously the
:45:32. > :45:32.authorities are able to exercise a warrant to require interception to
:45:33. > :45:45.take place will continue. Is, the police and the security
:45:46. > :45:49.services, and that is clearly important, because consensus around
:45:50. > :45:54.that, but that the other end, there is the story of what is happening on
:45:55. > :45:59.the streets. Peter Clarke, our former head of terrorism, said there
:46:00. > :46:03.is a golden thread between the two things. Given the number of police
:46:04. > :46:09.officers being taken off the streets because of cuts, is that golden
:46:10. > :46:13.thread being broken? There has been lots of speculation about what might
:46:14. > :46:16.happen to police numbers. The comprehensive spending review has
:46:17. > :46:20.not yet been announced yet so the police do not know what they're
:46:21. > :46:24.funding for the future will be. In 2010, people made a lot of comments
:46:25. > :46:28.about the changes to police budgets and what that would mean in relation
:46:29. > :46:30.to a lot of comments about the changes to police budgets and what
:46:31. > :46:33.that would mean in relation to police officers on the streets. That
:46:34. > :46:37.was scaremongering at the time? HMRC said that the front line had been
:46:38. > :46:42.protected. We need to make sure the police can police into Dave's world
:46:43. > :46:47.of crime, because crime is changing. We are seeing more cyber crime being
:46:48. > :46:54.committed. It is important that the police have the skills necessary and
:46:55. > :46:58.how they are deployed to address today's crimes. One final question
:46:59. > :47:04.about the issue of the week, the Data Communications Bill issue.
:47:05. > :47:09.Information, none the less, from British people, will be held for 12
:47:10. > :47:14.months by the big companies. That is a lot of detailed information being
:47:15. > :47:19.held available to the police and security services, if they need it.
:47:20. > :47:25.As we have seen from TalkTalk, that is necessarily secure. People can
:47:26. > :47:29.hack into this information. As Home Secretary, are you doing anything to
:47:30. > :47:34.make sure that that information will not emerge onto the dark side of the
:47:35. > :47:38.Internet, or the newspapers or anything like that? What we have
:47:39. > :47:43.seen from TalkTalk is that people are now going on, what we are seeing
:47:44. > :47:51.overall, is that criminals are moving into that cyber realm.
:47:52. > :47:54.Exactly. That is why it is important that our police and agencies have
:47:55. > :47:57.the powers for them to be able to deal with the digital age. My
:47:58. > :48:00.question was slightly different. What is the security that you can
:48:01. > :48:05.offer of people but once this information is stored for 12 months,
:48:06. > :48:10.it will not leak out again? I was going to come to that point. This is
:48:11. > :48:16.about balance. It is so important that we ensure there is proper
:48:17. > :48:19.oversight, but that the police and security services are able to
:48:20. > :48:23.operate in this digital age. Companies have to look at how they
:48:24. > :48:30.are protecting the material that they hold for people. So far, not
:48:31. > :48:36.very well, is the answer. Over the last five years, when we came into
:48:37. > :48:40.government in 2010, we put a significant sum of money into cyber
:48:41. > :48:46.security and cyber crime. We have been looking at this issue for some
:48:47. > :48:50.time. On the cyber crime front, within the National crime agency, we
:48:51. > :48:54.have set up the first cyber crime agency within the United Kingdom. We
:48:55. > :49:00.are insuring that the powers and facilities are there to deal with
:49:01. > :49:03.this. Still a worry, I would have thought. You give an absolutely
:49:04. > :49:09.blistering speech to the Tory party conference which was deliriously
:49:10. > :49:13.received. I saw it for myself. You said that the current level of
:49:14. > :49:20.migration into this country is not sustainable if we want a balanced
:49:21. > :49:23.society, and it was an effect on social cohesion if immigration
:49:24. > :49:29.continued at this level. What did you mean by that? What I said about
:49:30. > :49:33.social cohesion was that if immigration goes to high and too
:49:34. > :49:38.fast, social cohesion is impossible, so it is important that we control
:49:39. > :49:43.immigration. Spell out what that phrase, social cohesion is
:49:44. > :49:47.impossible, means? If you think about it, if you look at people and
:49:48. > :49:52.communities, if you have too many people coming in at two faster
:49:53. > :49:56.rate, it is difficult to ensure that people are able to integrate and
:49:57. > :50:01.participate fully in society. That is why it is important to control
:50:02. > :50:05.immigration. That is why we have been bringing in controls on
:50:06. > :50:11.immigration. There is more to do. You're probably going to talk about
:50:12. > :50:15.EU migration. So far, with respect, with total failure in controlling
:50:16. > :50:19.numbers. The last few years have seen massive increases, this year
:50:20. > :50:25.more than 300,000 people have come in. Nigel Farage has said it is not
:50:26. > :50:30.possible to control that well we are still inside the EU. Over the last
:50:31. > :50:35.five years, the numbers did start coming down significantly. We have
:50:36. > :50:37.seen that increase in numbers and one of the reasons we have seen that
:50:38. > :50:43.increases migration from the European Union. That is why we were
:50:44. > :50:47.clear as a party in our election manifesto, and we were elected on a
:50:48. > :50:50.mandate of taking measures to deal with this issue, looking at
:50:51. > :50:57.questions of benefit and free movement in relation to abuse and
:50:58. > :51:01.criminality. Can you get anything from the EU on this negotiation on
:51:02. > :51:04.the free movement of people? We have set out in our manifesto that we
:51:05. > :51:09.want to look at the areas of benefit that are available to people, and
:51:10. > :51:14.abuse and criminality. These are not issues that are suddenly being
:51:15. > :51:17.discussed inside the European Union. I have been talking to Interior
:51:18. > :51:25.Ministry is inside you look for a while about some of these questions
:51:26. > :51:28.about abuse and criminality. There is a recognition that these are
:51:29. > :51:31.areas that we need to collectively look at. Is this your bottom line?
:51:32. > :51:36.This is a renegotiation that is taking place. If what you say about
:51:37. > :51:40.the level of migration is accurate and true, then you absolutely have
:51:41. > :51:43.to stop it in your view, and the only way of stopping it is getting a
:51:44. > :51:50.new agreement which either limits the free movement of people across
:51:51. > :51:54.the EU, or severely limits all in work benefits for people coming here
:51:55. > :51:59.to work. If you do not get either of those things, that must represent
:52:00. > :52:02.failure? The government is negotiating within the European
:52:03. > :52:07.Union on these issues and indeed on other issues, as you are aware, the
:52:08. > :52:13.competitiveness of the European Union, for example. We will conduct
:52:14. > :52:16.that negotiation and put that package, the revised relationship we
:52:17. > :52:21.have with Europe, the reforms we have negotiated, to the British
:52:22. > :52:24.people for them to decide. We are still at the point were those
:52:25. > :52:29.negotiations are continuing and we need to wait and see what comes out
:52:30. > :52:33.of those. In terms of straight talking and so forth, if you were
:52:34. > :52:38.not able to limit the number of people coming in from the EU, could
:52:39. > :52:41.you accept that? I am confident that from what I have seen from Interior
:52:42. > :52:46.Ministry is, they are concerned about issues we have raised, and
:52:47. > :52:50.that is why we are going into this renegotiation, looking to negotiate
:52:51. > :52:54.a package that will be a different relationship between the United
:52:55. > :52:59.Kingdom and the European Union. I always like to be helpful on this
:53:00. > :53:05.programme. I am pleased to see -- to say that I have Andrew Pierce's
:53:06. > :53:08.piece from yesterday. They think that you are the politician to bring
:53:09. > :53:14.over conservatives and people who vote for Ukip, people who have not
:53:15. > :53:20.decided on Britain moving out. Is there any prospect of you doing that
:53:21. > :53:25.at all? It is a big choice. The government was elected on a mandate
:53:26. > :53:28.to renegotiate within Europe and that is what I am doing. Some people
:53:29. > :53:32.say you should be in or out at all costs. I see, let's do this
:53:33. > :53:37.renegotiation and see what reform we can bring about, and put that to the
:53:38. > :53:41.British people. We promised the public referendum. The bill is going
:53:42. > :53:47.through Parliament and they will have that referendum. Is there any
:53:48. > :53:54.plausible, prosperous future for us outside of the EU? We are
:53:55. > :53:57.negotiating. The question is what is our relationship with the European
:53:58. > :54:03.Union? That is what we're looking at the renegotiation. Some of this is
:54:04. > :54:06.about reform, some of the issues of competitiveness are issues for all
:54:07. > :54:11.countries within the European Union, not just the United Kingdom.
:54:12. > :54:14.The renegotiation is what we were elected to do. We will do that. The
:54:15. > :54:21.British people will have that choice. It will be a massive moment
:54:22. > :54:26.when the renegotiation is finished. People will have the choice. That is
:54:27. > :54:31.the important point. It will be for the British public to decide in the
:54:32. > :54:34.referendum. I am asking what you feeling your waters. It is clear
:54:35. > :54:41.from the Prime Minister's speech in Iceland this week, he wants to stay.
:54:42. > :54:45.That is clear, what is your view? The Prime Minister has made it clear
:54:46. > :54:49.that we are going through this negotiation, working to see a
:54:50. > :54:54.package of reforms that would enable the United Kingdom to stay in the
:54:55. > :54:57.European Union. That negotiation is continuing, but the decision will
:54:58. > :55:03.not be my decision of the Prime Minister's decision individually. It
:55:04. > :55:09.will be for the British public. Some voices say, whatever else, Spain,
:55:10. > :55:14.and others say, whatever else, come out, but let's renegotiate and led
:55:15. > :55:18.the British people decide. I have an instinct which tells me that I am
:55:19. > :55:25.not going to get a headline tomorrow which says, Theresa May, I am
:55:26. > :55:26.leading us out of Europe. Thank you very much, that was very
:55:27. > :55:26.interesting. Now over to Steph
:55:27. > :55:28.for the news headlines. Police and security services won't
:55:29. > :55:31.be given the right to see everyone's internet browsing history, as the
:55:32. > :55:33.government seeks to ease concerns The Home Secretary, Theresa May,
:55:34. > :55:37.has told this programme that the new investigatory powers are not
:55:38. > :55:39.a snoopers' charter and that civil liberties groups will
:55:40. > :55:51.be widely consulted. To -- Theresa May insisted that the
:55:52. > :55:53.proposed oversight arrangements would help strengthen the fight
:55:54. > :55:56.against terrorism and paedophilia in the digital age.
:55:57. > :55:59.A day of mourning is being observed across Russia to remember the 224
:56:00. > :56:03.Most of the dead were from St Petersburg, where the flight full
:56:04. > :56:06.Three airlines have decided to stop flying over
:56:07. > :56:09.the Sinai peninsula until the cause of the crash is established.
:56:10. > :56:13.The next news on BBC One is at 1 o'clock.
:56:14. > :56:20.First, a look at what's coming up immediately after this programme.
:56:21. > :56:30.Good morning. On Sunday Morning Live, as reports suggest that
:56:31. > :56:37.processed meat increases the risk of getting cancer, is it to give up?
:56:38. > :56:41.As the Lords revolt, how should the government react?
:56:42. > :56:44.Britain's burial grounds are burgeoning but what will we do
:56:45. > :56:49.Jess Phillips and Nigel Farage are with me.
:56:50. > :56:57.We are waiting for Labour to move the rate for the old by-election. We
:56:58. > :57:02.think it will take place in early December and your two parties will
:57:03. > :57:07.be nose to nose, head to knuckle to knuckle in that area, arguing for
:57:08. > :57:13.the working class vote. And you think that you can win, Ukip? In the
:57:14. > :57:17.neighbouring constituency, a few months ago, we came within 600 votes
:57:18. > :57:24.in what was one of Labour's safest seats. It has been a solid Labour
:57:25. > :57:32.seat. Michael Meacher held that. He was quite left as well. It is not a
:57:33. > :57:36.far right seat. We are not far party. That is what we do so well
:57:37. > :57:42.with -- that is why we do is well with Labour voters, unless you think
:57:43. > :57:46.they are far right. This is the first test of Jeremy Corbyn's
:57:47. > :57:51.leadership on a national stage. There is a genuine question, does he
:57:52. > :57:56.believe in the country? He is a Republican. We know he wants to give
:57:57. > :57:59.the Falkland Islands to Argentina. If you want to talk about tests of
:58:00. > :58:05.leadership, will you stand down if you do not win the by-election? You
:58:06. > :58:09.said you would stand down if you did not win at the last election and you
:58:10. > :58:16.did not. You seem to be back with us. That is not much to do with the
:58:17. > :58:19.by-election, with respect. THEY ALL SPEAK AT ONCE
:58:20. > :58:23.You have got a new leader. The question I am asking, is, is he
:58:24. > :58:28.perceived by patriotic old Labour, is he seemed to be for them, for the
:58:29. > :58:33.country, and is he prepared to lift a finger to deal with the issue of
:58:34. > :58:37.immigration? This constituency has been through rapid demographic
:58:38. > :58:42.change in the last few euros. This is a very important test for Jeremy
:58:43. > :58:48.Corbyn at the election. Yes, and I think it is one that he will pass.
:58:49. > :58:52.Lots of stuff will be hitting the people in the constituency hard, and
:58:53. > :58:54.Jeremy Corbyn has spoken out against that. We will see in December.
:58:55. > :58:56.And that's all we have time for this week.
:58:57. > :58:59.Andrew Neil will be here in an hour with the Sunday Politics.
:59:00. > :59:01.He will joined by the former Shadow Home Secretary David Davis
:59:02. > :59:03.for his reaction to the Home Secretary's interview.
:59:04. > :59:28.We will be back next week on Remembrance Sunday.
:59:29. > :59:30.MUSIC: Boombastic by Shaggy