:00:00. > :00:10.Hailed as the world's best chance to save the planet,
:00:11. > :00:13.the climate change deal from Paris finally emerges Nearly 200 countries
:00:14. > :00:14.are aspiring to make it work, but action?
:00:15. > :00:37.My guests this morning Environment Secretary Amber Rudd,
:00:38. > :00:41.Alan Johnson, on Labour's campaign to keep Britain in the EU.
:00:42. > :00:46.Plus Rock Legend Chrissie Hynde, on a life she freely
:00:47. > :00:58.All that - plus, Andrew's been talking to Damon Albarn
:00:59. > :01:10.and Rufus Norris about their 21st Century take on Alice in Wonderland.
:01:11. > :01:13.And later Chrissie will be playing us out with a Christmas classic
:01:14. > :01:35.# The children are singing # Your be back at Christmas time #.
:01:36. > :01:37.And joining me to review the papers this morning Colleen Graffy,
:01:38. > :01:40.formerly of the US state department, Shami Chakrabarti of Liberty
:01:41. > :01:41.and Andrew Pierce, of the Daily Mail.
:01:42. > :01:44.And we'll have reaction to a breaking story on what British
:01:45. > :01:46.intelligence knew about torture, from Alex Salmond.
:01:47. > :01:47.But first the news with Rachel Burden.
:01:48. > :01:52.President Obama has said a new deal on climate change offers "the best
:01:53. > :01:56.Speaking at the White House, he said world leaders had
:01:57. > :01:58.The agreement was also welcomed by China,
:01:59. > :02:09.A deal is done, the moment that almost 200 countries reached
:02:10. > :02:16.an agreement on tackling climate change.
:02:17. > :02:18.Smiles and relief as delegates who had been locked in negotiations
:02:19. > :02:22.celebrated an achievement that some thought impossible.
:02:23. > :02:29.There is a target to keep average global temperature increases well
:02:30. > :02:34.below 2 degress Celsius and are aimed towards 1.5 degrees.
:02:35. > :02:37.There is to be a review every five years, so countries ratchet up
:02:38. > :02:47.The long-term aim for greenhouse gases is that emissions should peak
:02:48. > :02:49.as soon as possible, and then be cut rapidly,
:02:50. > :02:53.so a point is reached in the second half of the century where no more
:02:54. > :02:57.There is also money to help developing countries adapt
:02:58. > :03:00.to climate change and get clean technology, though not as much
:03:01. > :03:04.All countries have had to make compromises to get to this deal,
:03:05. > :03:08.No agreement is perfect, including this one.
:03:09. > :03:13.Negotiations that involve nearly 200 nations are always challenging.
:03:14. > :03:18.Even if all the initial targets set in Paris are met, we will only be
:03:19. > :03:21.part of the way there when it comes to reducing carbon
:03:22. > :03:23.from the atmosphere, so we cannot be complacent
:03:24. > :03:30.The problem is not solved because of this accord.
:03:31. > :03:38.Some critics say the deal is too weak, and the pledges that countries
:03:39. > :03:41.have made so far won't reach the targets they have set
:03:42. > :03:43.themselves, achieving those aims would need a fundamental shift away
:03:44. > :03:46.from fossil fuels, led not just by politicians but by business
:03:47. > :03:51.But for the first time, all countries involved in this
:03:52. > :03:58.process have committed themselves to cutting carbon emissions.
:03:59. > :04:05.Shaker Aamer, the UK's last Guantanamo Bay detainee,
:04:06. > :04:07.has denounced Islamic extremism, in his first interview
:04:08. > :04:12.since being released from 14 years in captivity.
:04:13. > :04:19.He said his years of pain in detention were washed away when he
:04:20. > :04:25.was reunited with his wife. Speaking to the Mail on Sunday he condemned
:04:26. > :04:28.attacks like the murder of Fusilier Lee Rigby.
:04:29. > :04:31.Downing Street has insisted David Cameron will continue to make
:04:32. > :04:34.the case for a curb on in-work benefits for EU migrants in Britain.
:04:35. > :04:36.The Prime Minister was responding to reports in today's papers
:04:37. > :04:39.that he was planning to backtrack from putting the plan at the heart
:04:40. > :04:44.of his efforts to renegotiate Britain's membership of the EU.
:04:45. > :04:46.France's far-right party, the Front National, is battling
:04:47. > :04:49.for control of several of the country's regions,
:04:50. > :04:54.as the second round of local elections gets underway.
:04:55. > :04:57.The party's leader Marine Le Pen is hoping the polls will boost her
:04:58. > :05:00.profile ahead of presidential elections in 2017.
:05:01. > :05:05.The vote in some areas is expected to be close.
:05:06. > :05:09.A new group has been set up in Cumbria to look at ways
:05:10. > :05:13.of reducing the impact of extreme weather, a week after Storm Desmond
:05:14. > :05:19.The Cumbrian Floods Partnership Group will try to find ways to slow
:05:20. > :05:23.down some of the bigger rivers, and give local residents a say
:05:24. > :05:32.I'll be back with the headlines just before ten o'clock.
:05:33. > :05:38.Now to the front pages of the papers.
:05:39. > :05:44.I will take you through some of today's papers. The Sunday Times has
:05:45. > :05:53.this picture of the Queen with her jewels and says the Queen's jeweller
:05:54. > :06:00.pays no tax. And that quote from the Muslim attack. The man now fears
:06:01. > :06:06.retribution from Isis. The jihadis must get the hell out of Britain is
:06:07. > :06:12.the story in the Sunday mail. A world exclusive by the Mail on
:06:13. > :06:15.Sunday. The story of hooker who spent 14 years in Guantanamo Bay,
:06:16. > :06:24.tortured he says, in the presence of British intelligence. -- the story
:06:25. > :06:29.of Shaker Aamer. The Sunday Telegraph, a story from Downton
:06:30. > :06:35.Abbey and their story is Cameron's climb-down on EU benefits, what they
:06:36. > :06:40.are calling a climb-down. The Tories warning it is 1000 miles from an
:06:41. > :06:45.acceptable deal. The Observer, a major leap for mankind, reflecting
:06:46. > :06:50.on that deal coming out of Paris. An historic deal, nearly 200 countries
:06:51. > :06:55.signing up to climate change. With me to review the papers and a bit
:06:56. > :07:04.more depth are Shami, Colleen and Andrew. Welcome to you all. Colleen,
:07:05. > :07:07.start us up. A major leap for mankind climate deal but the devil
:07:08. > :07:15.is in the detail. First it needs to be ratified. The countries need to
:07:16. > :07:19.sign up to it. Secondly it needs to be implemented. We have seen this
:07:20. > :07:26.before, for examples at Kyoto protocol where everyone had this
:07:27. > :07:30.fantastic requirements on target but they were requirements and
:07:31. > :07:33.timetables which was set through political horse trading. So the
:07:34. > :07:37.question is, how will that get implemented question what they are
:07:38. > :07:41.talking about $100 billion to help countries. That is a lot of money.
:07:42. > :07:45.It was one of the sticking issues for the United States, because they
:07:46. > :07:52.wanted a legally binding financial commitment and the US cannot do
:07:53. > :07:58.that. China and India don't want to commit to it. They have a concept of
:07:59. > :08:01.differentiated responsibility, where they want everyone else to cut but
:08:02. > :08:12.they don't but as we heard China is the biggest emitter. Nearly 200
:08:13. > :08:15.signatories, does it make you think, Andrew, the argument about
:08:16. > :08:19.scepticism towards climate change has gone? That people are moving
:08:20. > :08:25.towards an, yes this is happening? I think there will always be a healthy
:08:26. > :08:29.dose of scepticism. A lot of this is not legally binding and therefore
:08:30. > :08:34.will there be any major difference? At India and China going to reform
:08:35. > :08:37.the ways they trade? I am not so sure. But there are still a number
:08:38. > :08:42.of sceptics who do not believe in climate change, global warming, one
:08:43. > :08:46.of whom is very prominent, Jeremy Corbyn's brother. He made an
:08:47. > :08:51.eloquent case on the BBC the other day about why it is all fiction.
:08:52. > :08:56.Shami, talked us through the story you have from the Sunday mail. I
:08:57. > :09:01.have to pay tribute to the Mail on Sunday today. My recollection is no
:09:02. > :09:07.paper has been so consistent in campaigning for the closure of
:09:08. > :09:10.Guantanamo Bay and for Shaker Aamer's release. You will know he
:09:11. > :09:17.was the last British resident in Guantanamo, he has only recently
:09:18. > :09:20.come on. A wonderful, wonderful spread today. Ultimately very
:09:21. > :09:26.positive, because you see this man who has been illegally interned at
:09:27. > :09:32.Guantanamo Bay for 14 years, but nonetheless he does not seem better.
:09:33. > :09:39.He denounces terrorism. He makes the comments that you quoted about
:09:40. > :09:44.jihadis in Britain and is clearly a man of peace. However, there is some
:09:45. > :09:49.pretty serious allegations that MI5 and people who served in Mr Blair's
:09:50. > :09:53.government have to answer. I guess we can look forward to hearing those
:09:54. > :09:58.answers in the weeks ahead. That British intelligence work in the
:09:59. > :10:03.room. He talks about his torture, which includes things like having
:10:04. > :10:06.his head smashed against a wall during investigations. He talks
:10:07. > :10:12.about one agent in particular who called himself John, who said he was
:10:13. > :10:17.from MI5. He had a smart English accent. The Mail on Sunday traces
:10:18. > :10:25.this incident back to a time when agents flew to background with Mr
:10:26. > :10:29.Blair. When you read the details that are coming out now from this
:10:30. > :10:41.account, where are you? I think we have to remember this is 2002, right
:10:42. > :10:43.after 2001, after the 9/11. I went to Guantanamo Bay twice, once with a
:10:44. > :10:48.phone UK affairs committee. Guantanamo Bay is completely
:10:49. > :10:57.different from his story, when he was held in programme, one of the
:10:58. > :11:03.reasons they set up Guantanamo Bay. I think we have to put into context,
:11:04. > :11:08.think of Paris, right after Paris right now you have the emergency
:11:09. > :11:14.situation. But you don't doubt he is telling the truth about the torture?
:11:15. > :11:21.We don't know. One of the trainings for Guantanamo Bay detainees is to
:11:22. > :11:24.lie. This man was held without trial, without being told what he
:11:25. > :11:29.was supposed to have done for 14 years. It is a stain on America. You
:11:30. > :11:35.are using a criminal paradigms for laws of law. It sounds IQ are saying
:11:36. > :11:45.that could happen again. The American administration might turn
:11:46. > :11:50.to... No, it is wrong. Without trial for 14 years, you can't think this
:11:51. > :11:55.has been helpful to America. This country and other countries studied
:11:56. > :11:58.at they have committed a crime and holding him in prison... In the
:11:59. > :12:03.Falklands you did not have individuals asking for their lawyer.
:12:04. > :12:11.But is it right? That is what we have to figure out with this new
:12:12. > :12:18.situation. It isn't. It is not a criminal situation. Hollande said we
:12:19. > :12:21.are at war. Obama said he would close down Guantanamo Bay. It is
:12:22. > :12:24.still open and people are still being held there without knowing
:12:25. > :12:31.what they are supposed to have done. It is probably recruited more
:12:32. > :12:37.terrorists than it has prevented. Andrew, if you can take us on to
:12:38. > :12:42.Cameron's migrant benefits. They are calling it a capitulation in the
:12:43. > :12:44.Telegraph. Europe is the issue which has bedevilled every Conservative
:12:45. > :12:53.leader since Margaret Thatcher. It now looks like a big plus Cameron
:12:54. > :12:57.thought he had shot the Ukip Fox... Our first national referendum since
:12:58. > :13:01.1975. In their own manifesto the Conservatives said the minimum
:13:02. > :13:08.requirement for renegotiation was to withhold in the year benefits. He
:13:09. > :13:12.has gone round Europe running up air miles Annie has no support for it.
:13:13. > :13:16.He is going to dinner in Brussels on Thursday. He is going into the
:13:17. > :13:18.negotiations like the emperor with no clothes. Number ten say it is
:13:19. > :13:23.still on the table. They are not going to be able to deliver. They
:13:24. > :13:27.are resisting this very firmly, saying is simply not true he is
:13:28. > :13:35.giving up on it. He has no support for it. In the Sunday Times Dominic
:13:36. > :13:38.Cummings, a former aide to Michael Gove, the Justice Secretary, is now
:13:39. > :13:43.a big part of the let's get out of the EU campaign. He says the Prime
:13:44. > :13:49.Minister sought trivia Annie has not even got that. Colleen, take us on
:13:50. > :13:52.to the long-running story of the week. Those comments from Donald
:13:53. > :13:59.Trump and what seems to have happened now is Islamophobia still
:14:00. > :14:04.fuelling his success in the polls? Every time he says something, attack
:14:05. > :14:09.on war hero John Maclean, we thought it would be over. He could say
:14:10. > :14:13.something against puppies and people would still support it. I think part
:14:14. > :14:17.of it is a media situation. A household name in America. When you
:14:18. > :14:21.are polling and you call people up, there are 14 individuals running for
:14:22. > :14:29.president. How many can name them? They say who do you like and they
:14:30. > :14:32.go... Trump. He is on the Apprentice, is known. Because he is
:14:33. > :14:38.up in the polls he gets media attention and because of that it is
:14:39. > :14:45.a sort of Kim Kardashian situation of American politics. How worried do
:14:46. > :14:49.we need to be? Can such a divisive character win the election? You need
:14:50. > :14:53.to see if he has a ground game, people out there ready to get up the
:14:54. > :14:57.vote. He does not have money there. He doesn't need money because he is
:14:58. > :15:01.all this free press. Politicians have been very quick to refute what
:15:02. > :15:08.he had said and talk about him is crazy. And yet, is he speaking to
:15:09. > :15:13.people's fears in America? This is what is at the heart of what they
:15:14. > :15:18.are asking now. Maybe he is. It reminds me of Nigel Farage. He was
:15:19. > :15:22.speaking to concerns that people felt the politicians were not
:15:23. > :15:25.addressing, but when it came to actual elections they did not end up
:15:26. > :15:30.turning up for him as everyone predicted. That is the thinking on
:15:31. > :15:33.Donald Trump. He is expressing things that individuals think
:15:34. > :15:37.politicians are afraid to address the political correctness. He is out
:15:38. > :15:38.there being bold and sounding decisive, but getting out the vote
:15:39. > :15:50.will be another thing. I want to call this a majorly
:15:51. > :15:54.forward for Saudi women, quite a turning point when they've been
:15:55. > :16:00.given the vote. This Saudi women have been able to vote in some local
:16:01. > :16:08.elections but nonetheless it is 2015 and finally some Saudi women got to
:16:09. > :16:17.vote. A big PR coup for the taxi company Uber because women cannot
:16:18. > :16:21.drive there so they provided a lift to the polling stations. Women were
:16:22. > :16:31.able to stand as candidates but not to campaign openly. It is a moving
:16:32. > :16:34.moment but goodness me, it's not anywhere near enough. Hopefully just
:16:35. > :16:44.getting the right to drive would be nice. All men should wear a wig...
:16:45. > :16:55.Like Donald Trump? No, he's got real hair. I have been invited to pull
:16:56. > :17:04.his hair. This is going to go viral! Talk about this move by Jeremy
:17:05. > :17:11.Corbyn to get moderates into this party under the widening of the
:17:12. > :17:15.membership rule. This is a story in the Telegraph. Corbyn was elected
:17:16. > :17:20.under a huge wave of popular support, a lot of people signed up
:17:21. > :17:24.for ?3, so if there was a leadership contest in a couple of months he
:17:25. > :17:28.would probably win with the majority because he is more popular than ever
:17:29. > :17:32.with Labour Party members so the moderates are suggesting we need to
:17:33. > :17:36.get 100,000 people more at the centre of the Labour Party so that
:17:37. > :17:44.at some point when there is a leadership challenge they have
:17:45. > :17:48.ammunition. It doesn't say which leader they are going to potentially
:17:49. > :17:54.rally behind. Or whether the moderates are queueing up to come
:17:55. > :17:58.in. This language is very loaded. Who is a moderate? Some of the
:17:59. > :18:02.people who feel they will be deselected by Jeremy Corbyn would
:18:03. > :18:12.say they are moderate. The Shadow Education Secretary. I suspect that
:18:13. > :18:17.it is a bold attempt, 100,000? It is a lot. Let's finish on a sparkling
:18:18. > :18:23.moment from you. We don't know what to call our champagne, do we? Just
:18:24. > :18:32.go with it, champagne. It is wonderful there is this idea of
:18:33. > :18:37.champagne being grown in England. This one is a well-known brand, and
:18:38. > :18:43.it was started by two gentleman from California that came over and said,
:18:44. > :18:50.the soil here is the same soil as in France, why not grow it here? I dry
:18:51. > :18:58.it, it is very nice champagne. You're saying this to get someone to
:18:59. > :19:03.send you a case of this before Christmas! We should be dominating
:19:04. > :19:04.the market, why not? Thanks for coming in.
:19:05. > :19:06.Let's return to the story on Shaker Aamer, released
:19:07. > :19:08.from Guantanamo last month, after 14 years.
:19:09. > :19:11.Today he gave an exclusive interview to the Mail On Sunday,
:19:12. > :19:13.where he claimed British officials had been present in the room whilst
:19:14. > :19:17.I'm joined now from Aberdeen by Alex Salmond, former
:19:18. > :19:21.First Minister and Foreign Affairs Spokesman, Alex Salmond.
:19:22. > :19:31.What do you make of what you have heard or read today? The first thing
:19:32. > :19:36.to say about the peace in the mail on Sunday is a very well-written
:19:37. > :19:45.piece, as you would expect, that this man seems to have emerged from
:19:46. > :19:49.5000 days illegal captivity, sane and with a remarkable generosity of
:19:50. > :19:54.spirit. It is an extraordinary piece to read. But the real politics of
:19:55. > :20:00.this is what you point to, and that's the allegation that in
:20:01. > :20:04.January 2002, British officials witnessed not just his abduction,
:20:05. > :20:10.which we knew about, but his torture. Also, as a point of detail,
:20:11. > :20:17.but they came into the air base on the same flight as the then Prime
:20:18. > :20:23.Minister Tony Blair. The not unreasonable allegation that Shaker
:20:24. > :20:27.Aamer makes is that both the Prime Minister, Tony Blair, and Jack Straw
:20:28. > :20:30.must have known not just about his illegal abduction but also about his
:20:31. > :20:36.torture at the hands of the US authorities. Does this change
:20:37. > :20:43.anything? What would you want to see happen? Obviously, as in so many
:20:44. > :20:47.things, Tony Blair and Jack Straw have a great deal to answer for.
:20:48. > :20:53.They have got to be asked the straight question, how could you not
:20:54. > :20:55.have known about the fate that had befallen a British citizen?
:20:56. > :20:59.Governments have many responsibilities but the prime one
:21:00. > :21:03.is to keep their own citizens safe from harm and governments are not
:21:04. > :21:07.meant to collaborate on the illegal abduction and torture of one of our
:21:08. > :21:12.own citizens so both the then Prime Minister and Home Secretary have got
:21:13. > :21:19.to tell us exactly what they knew and when they knew it. As you said,
:21:20. > :21:25.these are allegations at the moment, extraordinarily humane interview he
:21:26. > :21:31.has given but do you read what you -- do you believe what you are
:21:32. > :21:35.reading is true? I have not spoken to Shaker Aamer myself, but I doubt
:21:36. > :21:40.if anyone reading that comprehensive interview, and what he says about
:21:41. > :21:46.other things and the detail he goes into would doubt the veracity of his
:21:47. > :21:49.comments. Apart from anything else, few if any body, maybe with the
:21:50. > :21:53.exception of one of the guests on your programme today, would doubt
:21:54. > :21:58.that this man was held illegally and improperly over a period of 14 years
:21:59. > :22:03.and held in detention at Guantanamo Bay long after everyone knew he had
:22:04. > :22:08.no connection with terrorism whatsoever. One of the suspicions is
:22:09. > :22:12.that there had to be a reason for him not being released despite being
:22:13. > :22:20.cleared for release twice over that period. It has always been centred
:22:21. > :22:26.on the revelations over Guantanamo Bay, it now appears a reason might
:22:27. > :22:28.have been of what had gone on in January 2002 at Baglan airbase.
:22:29. > :22:30.Thank you for joining us. Well, after more weather warnings
:22:31. > :22:33.for the north of England over the weekend, let's see what's
:22:34. > :22:35.happened to those parts of the country still recovering
:22:36. > :22:45.from last week's Storm Desmond. There have been weather warnings in
:22:46. > :22:50.force again this weekend but mostly to do with the change in
:22:51. > :22:55.temperature, you saw Alex Salmond shivering in Scotland. It has been a
:22:56. > :22:59.very cold night. There will be more rain in the week ahead but it won't
:23:00. > :23:05.be anything like as wet as the last couple of weeks. At the moment it is
:23:06. > :23:09.turning milder again across much of the UK this week. There is a big
:23:10. > :23:17.temperature contrast right now, it is really cold in the north, down to
:23:18. > :23:22.minus nine last night, but warm in the south. The boundary is this line
:23:23. > :23:29.of rain, this weather front, which will very slowly push northwards
:23:30. > :23:34.through today. Many southern areas, particularly in the south-west,
:23:35. > :23:40.staying dry and mild, and in Scotland it will generally be a
:23:41. > :23:45.sunny, Sunday morning. If you are stuck underneath this rain band, it
:23:46. > :23:50.will not be very pleasant, a lot of low cloud and missed, temperatures
:23:51. > :23:55.struggling. It is still cold across Scotland. Tonight in Scotland that
:23:56. > :24:02.rain band pushing northwards could bring snow, and to the north of the
:24:03. > :24:07.Central belt there could be up to ten centimetres on higher ground
:24:08. > :24:10.tonight. Bear that in mind, there could be some in Glasgow as well.
:24:11. > :24:14.Thank you very much indeed. The deal from Paris,
:24:15. > :24:16.when it finally came, The host nation, France,
:24:17. > :24:20.extended the summit by an extra day to overcome stubborn divisions,
:24:21. > :24:22.and thus negotiators were forced to work till darkness fell
:24:23. > :24:25.yesterday, to bring together nearly The accord promises to steer
:24:26. > :24:29.the global economy away from fossil fuels and slow down the rate
:24:30. > :24:31.at which the earth is warming. And how fast will the world move
:24:32. > :24:37.on what are currently just promises? Joining me from Paris,
:24:38. > :24:39.Environment Secretary Amber Rudd, who's been representing
:24:40. > :24:53.the British Government It is a big moment this, nearly 200
:24:54. > :24:58.countries signing up but I guess you could say the real work only just
:24:59. > :25:01.begins now. I think that's absolutely right. It was an
:25:02. > :25:05.extraordinary achievement and during the week it didn't always looked
:25:06. > :25:10.like it would be possible. It went down to the wire with the final
:25:11. > :25:15.meeting suspended for an hour while final negotiations took place, then
:25:16. > :25:18.we got it, but it is only the start. The French did a fantastic job
:25:19. > :25:34.managing the process, but as they set themselves it is a step in
:25:35. > :25:36.the right direction, a new road, but the work begins now. For anyone
:25:37. > :25:38.looking for hard, binding phrases, this is an aspiration, isn't it? An
:25:39. > :25:43.aspiration to limit change to 1.5 degrees but in terms of the real
:25:44. > :25:54.promises we can -- people can make, we are looking at 2.3. Yes, this set
:25:55. > :25:59.us on a pathway to try and achieve that. It is ambitious but it is also
:26:00. > :26:04.legally binding in some ways and not in other ways. We had to get the
:26:05. > :26:08.balance of being totally inclusive, getting 200 countries to sign up,
:26:09. > :26:12.but also not having such a tough compliance regime which you could
:26:13. > :26:17.say we had at Kyoto which didn't succeed that some countries would
:26:18. > :26:22.step away. This is a compromise, nevertheless it is an historic
:26:23. > :26:26.moment. What will be concerning many people when they look at this, they
:26:27. > :26:31.will want to believe this will be enacted, and yet it is dependent on
:26:32. > :26:36.five-year assessment. We know that the reporting each country must do
:26:37. > :26:39.about itself is binding, but the target is not legally binding, it
:26:40. > :26:46.cannot be. Will anything happen if they fail? No, there is no tough
:26:47. > :26:50.compliance in that way but we have the political will. We have the
:26:51. > :26:59.five-year reviews, that is not a negligible thing. That is compulsory
:27:00. > :27:06.and it was a big win. But nothing will happen as a result of failure?
:27:07. > :27:09.What do you want, some sort of government vote diplomacy? The
:27:10. > :27:13.countries have agreed to do this, they have got to come forward with
:27:14. > :27:22.the proposals. We saw the support from civil societies. It is not a
:27:23. > :27:28.perfect deal but we must not make an enemy of the good. Let's talk about
:27:29. > :27:34.Britain and how seriously we can take this. Since the election in
:27:35. > :27:38.2015, which policies can you hold up and save these will cut emissions?
:27:39. > :27:43.We are the first developed country to put an end date on coal? I've
:27:44. > :27:48.received a lot of congratulations from people that this conference, we
:27:49. > :27:53.will expand our offshore wind provision. We are committed to this
:27:54. > :27:56.deal, but we will do it in a different way which is providing
:27:57. > :28:01.better value for money for consumers. Driving down prices is an
:28:02. > :28:04.essential part of making sure we can deliver on these commitments. We
:28:05. > :28:10.will be holding the industry accountable. You have put an end
:28:11. > :28:14.date on coal but it seems a funny time to be cancelling subsidies on
:28:15. > :28:22.renewable energy, and when you look at what has been introduced, a cut
:28:23. > :28:29.on biomass subsidy, a scrapping of the green deal, a carbon tax on
:28:30. > :28:33.solar, an increase on tax on small cars, you cannot genuinely say those
:28:34. > :28:39.are all measures and policies now that will help people move towards
:28:40. > :28:44.renewables? But I do say that, because it is about delivering value
:28:45. > :28:48.for money for people. There's no point in having renewables which are
:28:49. > :28:54.permanently expensive. Value for money is not the same as a policy to
:28:55. > :28:59.cut emissions. When the Chancellor has said I'm introducing these
:29:00. > :29:05.measures, does he ever ask about what the impact will be on
:29:06. > :29:09.emissions? I don't agree with that. We have got to cut emissions and
:29:10. > :29:14.give value for money, you don't need to separate them. We can grow our
:29:15. > :29:19.economy and deliver a lower carbon future. We don't have to do one or
:29:20. > :29:24.the other, we have got to do both. It doesn't worry you then when you
:29:25. > :29:27.have the UN chief environmental scientist saying that the UK is
:29:28. > :29:33.shifting away from clean energy as the rest of the world is rushing
:29:34. > :29:38.towards it? She says, it is a serious signal and a perverse signal
:29:39. > :29:42.that Britain is doing this now. I completely disagree, and in fact the
:29:43. > :29:46.evidence since then in terms of taking off coal and making other
:29:47. > :29:52.statements I hope would bring her back onside. We have made a clear
:29:53. > :29:57.policy on how we can deliver. I think we have a strong, clear story
:29:58. > :30:00.on energy and a low carbon future. The impression being created is that
:30:01. > :30:04.since the Lib Dems went away you have been out to please the
:30:05. > :30:07.backbenchers more, that actually this has been the sense that climate
:30:08. > :30:14.change is a bit soft or little bit of a waste of money for many on your
:30:15. > :30:15.own side, who think once the Lib Dems have gone we can broadly do
:30:16. > :30:26.what we want. There are people who are soft on the
:30:27. > :30:30.subject that they come from all around the political spectrum. What
:30:31. > :30:39.is the logic on taxing something you would like to move people towards?
:30:40. > :30:43.Renewables now don't get an exemption and the main reason for
:30:44. > :30:46.that is because a third of that money was going overseas. That is
:30:47. > :30:52.the wrong thing to do with taxpayers money. So everyone now suffers as a
:30:53. > :30:57.result of that, if they want to move towards that? I don't delay do
:30:58. > :31:02.suffer as a result of it. The cost of solar have come down in the last
:31:03. > :31:05.15 years by 80%. We have to make sure the subsidy reflects that. I
:31:06. > :31:10.will be clear about that. If the costs come down, the subsidy comes
:31:11. > :31:18.down. It is the right thing to do. 15% of all energy. Do you accept we
:31:19. > :31:24.are not been hit that target? It is not going to happen? I don't accept
:31:25. > :31:32.it, what I do is a difficult target and we need to take more measures to
:31:33. > :31:36.achieve it and eat and transport. We expect to have 30% of our
:31:37. > :31:40.electricity from renewable energy by 2020, which exceeds it. You wrote to
:31:41. > :31:45.colleagues, a draft that was seen, saying you wouldn't hit that target?
:31:46. > :31:49.Unless we took action across government, which is exactly what we
:31:50. > :31:53.are going to be doing. Let's have a quick word before we go on flooding
:31:54. > :31:58.in Cumbria. Many people, thousands of people suffering from that. We
:31:59. > :32:02.had not just from yourself but Liz Truss, the acceptance that this is
:32:03. > :32:12.caused by climate change, isn't it? Well, there are trends which occur
:32:13. > :32:15.which caused by climate change or severe weather events. I would not
:32:16. > :32:18.pay an individual storms to those but I would say addressing climate
:32:19. > :32:22.change is about security for people and making sure for the long-term
:32:23. > :32:27.future they are not impacted by really dangerous weather events.
:32:28. > :32:31.Does that make you think twice, when you see individuals who are facing
:32:32. > :32:35.really tough insurance premiums shooting through the roof, if you
:32:36. > :32:39.accept this is part of something everyone is responsible for, should
:32:40. > :32:44.more help and work go towards them? We are doing that, helping with Ward
:32:45. > :32:48.flood defences. We have planned and this government put more money into
:32:49. > :32:52.flood defences and protect another 3000 people from dangerous flooding.
:32:53. > :32:56.We take local flooding and local dangerous storms like this very
:32:57. > :33:01.seriously. Amber Rudd, thank you for joining us.
:33:02. > :33:04.Few people in rock have had the musical and cultural impact
:33:05. > :33:08.Arriving in London 40 years ago, just in time for punk,
:33:09. > :33:10.she seized the opportunity to create a band that has stood
:33:11. > :33:14.The Pretenders were a non-stop hit machine, and Hynde's own life
:33:15. > :33:18.She's detailed the triumphs, the tragedies, and the lessons
:33:19. > :33:20.learnt in her autobiography, entitled Reckless.
:33:21. > :33:23.Chrissie's here and we'll talk in a moment, but let's remind
:33:24. > :33:51.# I gotta have some of your attention
:33:52. > :34:07.I was watching to see if your foot was tapping. You say you hate that
:34:08. > :34:12.song? I love seeing the guys, Jimmy, Pete and Martin. You are a survivor,
:34:13. > :34:17.a remarkable feat to have kept going, the kind of hits you come up
:34:18. > :34:22.with. No musical collaboration you haven't flirted with. What has been
:34:23. > :34:30.behind all of that momentum? I just love music and I grew up at a time
:34:31. > :34:36.where there was so much. The first single I bought was by the Beatles.
:34:37. > :34:41.I was about 14. I grew up at a great time for music. I fell in love with
:34:42. > :34:45.it. It has always been my incentive to be a person in a band. Your
:34:46. > :34:50.autobiography you have called Reckless. When you read it it is
:34:51. > :34:57.very war and blunt. I cannot work out if it is catharsis or torture.
:34:58. > :35:02.-- raw. I try to think of it more as a comic book, it is supposed to be a
:35:03. > :35:06.fun read, like an album should be fun to listen to. But if there is
:35:07. > :35:10.any truth in a record, there will be some pain in it because you are
:35:11. > :35:14.touching upon human experience, so it is
:35:15. > :35:17.You waited until your parents were no longer here before telling them
:35:18. > :35:22.about everything that happened in your life. I got that out of the way
:35:23. > :35:26.in the first page because I do feel... Doing it behind their backs,
:35:27. > :35:29.but I did a lot behind their backs and I do not think they would have
:35:30. > :35:34.enjoyed reading this book and I didn't want to... What about your
:35:35. > :35:38.goals, is anything in it that shocked your children? I didn't
:35:39. > :35:44.discuss it with them. They have or is been very encouraging. They have
:35:45. > :35:47.read it? I think they have. They seem to be fans of what I do and
:35:48. > :35:52.they always encourage me. They never saw one of my shows until they were
:35:53. > :35:56.about 14 because it was always past their bedtime. They didn't grow up
:35:57. > :36:01.as rock 'n' roll kids or anything. Where people concerned about you
:36:02. > :36:11.spilling the beans or bringing the skeletons out of the closet? No
:36:12. > :36:14.skeletons out there! A lot of people probably wouldn't want to be in
:36:15. > :36:20.somebody's story, but that story wasn't complete without it. But I
:36:21. > :36:25.don't say anything bad about anyone, I don't think. I tried to keep it
:36:26. > :36:30.light. I could have gone dark but I don't think that was the purpose of
:36:31. > :36:34.me telling my story. You described the moment you turned up to marry
:36:35. > :36:38.Ray Davies at the Registry office and you are arguing so badly they
:36:39. > :36:46.would not marry you? That happens to people. More than once? Not in that
:36:47. > :36:50.case, no. I can't believe I am talking about him, the one person
:36:51. > :36:55.who asked not to be in the book. Did it raise any problems for you? Since
:36:56. > :37:00.he has been in the book? I don't know. I think he would probably
:37:01. > :37:07.like... I think he came out very well in it. There are many surreal
:37:08. > :37:11.moments in that book, whether it is the duet with Sinatra, the
:37:12. > :37:16.collaboration with Morris. One of your fans Julie Burchill said your
:37:17. > :37:22.music was what it might have sounded like if John Wayne had climbed off a
:37:23. > :37:28.horse and joined the Shangir Las. It is written very poetically. I know
:37:29. > :37:33.you didn't like the song you just heard. Do you have a favourite hit?
:37:34. > :37:37.You are playing us out on one later. I like a lot of what you would call
:37:38. > :37:42.the album tracks which are more rock tracks. Radio friendly records are
:37:43. > :37:49.the ones that most people here. I like the more rock staff, that you
:37:50. > :37:53.would have to be a The Pretenders fan to know. Thank you very much
:37:54. > :37:56.indeed. Damon Albarn's part
:37:57. > :37:58.as frontman for the band Blur, But increasingly he's proving
:37:59. > :38:01.himself a real force His take on the Elizabethan
:38:02. > :38:06.alchemist Dr Dee was a major hit Now Albarn has teamed up again
:38:07. > :38:09.with Rufus Norris, the National Theatre's new artistic
:38:10. > :38:11.director, for a digital era "Wonder.land" has
:38:12. > :38:17.great music, lyrics When they met, Andrew asked
:38:18. > :38:22.Damon Albarn if his virtual band Gorillaz had inspired this online
:38:23. > :38:29.adventure with Alice. I don't think directly
:38:30. > :38:41.that we sat down and went, I think it had more to do
:38:42. > :38:46.with my daughter really than Gorillaz, sort of the idea
:38:47. > :38:49.of the phone being the portal Let's talk about that
:38:50. > :38:53.because the underlying conceit of this is that the rabbit hole,
:38:54. > :38:57.down which Alice falls and comes into Wonderland and so on,
:38:58. > :39:00.is in fact in everybody's hand, it's the mobile phone,
:39:01. > :39:03.which allows kids in particular but everybody to enter virtual
:39:04. > :39:05.worlds which can be colourful Yeah, you don't know who's behind
:39:06. > :39:14.the avatar, basically. On our first meeting,
:39:15. > :39:18.Damon pulled his phone out and said All of us have children that
:39:19. > :39:24.are the same age as the principal character in this piece, and it's
:39:25. > :39:29.something that we could identify with very easily, but then crucially
:39:30. > :39:33.I think it became imperative that we didn't approach it
:39:34. > :39:37.from the perspective of concerned parents, but more from
:39:38. > :39:39.the perspective of teenagers, for whom this whole world is very
:39:40. > :39:42.real and very positive, largely, as well as obviously
:39:43. > :39:44.having the slightly But also it seems to me
:39:45. > :39:49.there's aspects of it The Music Hall, I thought,
:39:50. > :39:53.a bit of cabaret there as well. When I first tried to get my head
:39:54. > :40:01.round what sort of palate I'd use, I suppose I kind of imagined
:40:02. > :40:07.a Temperance band walking outside Lewis Carroll's house,
:40:08. > :40:12.and there being a sort of a moment of reflection
:40:13. > :40:16.on his behalf about Alice, He doesn't really give
:40:17. > :40:26.you a traditional narrative, and in that sense it was such
:40:27. > :40:30.a modern book at the time. And we can say you do bring in most
:40:31. > :40:34.of the familiar characters - Tweedledee, Tweedledum,
:40:35. > :40:38.the cat, the white rabbit. Yeah, I think the cat
:40:39. > :40:42.is the most sinister. I mean that picture,
:40:43. > :40:49.that first time... It made me feel very
:40:50. > :40:55.nostalgic for my journey through Alice In Wonderland
:40:56. > :40:58.when I was a kid, being read it I think the pictures
:40:59. > :41:02.were incredibly powerful in that, and I didn't understand
:41:03. > :41:05.the caterpillar then And the two of you worked together
:41:06. > :41:12.on Dr Dee in Manchester. Yes, one thing that we have
:41:13. > :41:21.in common is an interest in, in the broadest sense,
:41:22. > :41:26.our English spirituality, and in a way both the story
:41:27. > :41:31.of Dr Dee and him as a character but also Lewis Carroll,
:41:32. > :41:36.it's very iconically English and its roots go very deep,
:41:37. > :41:38.and I think that's something we're Tell me a little bit about finding
:41:39. > :41:43.a hit because War Horse bankrolled you for quite a while but of course
:41:44. > :41:47.you never know what the next one You never know, and you
:41:48. > :41:52.always get it wrong. War Horse was pretty much a car
:41:53. > :41:55.crash in its first preview. Curious Incident,
:41:56. > :41:56.you know, you could have taken a little bit more
:41:57. > :41:58.of a All of the shows that have done very
:41:59. > :42:03.well would not by any one If it were possible to predict
:42:04. > :42:07.and build those hits, Damon,
:42:08. > :42:11.when you were writing the music "Yes, this one is
:42:12. > :42:14.going to really work"? There's a story and you kind of,
:42:15. > :42:22.sort of, you go into quite blind really and you start writing stuff
:42:23. > :42:29.and then seeing the relationship between one piece and another,
:42:30. > :42:36.and if you don't get that sense of flow, which is the most important
:42:37. > :42:40.thing, you can lose something that sort of on paper or just playing
:42:41. > :42:45.around the piano sounds # I've got a notion,
:42:46. > :43:03.for eyes like the ocean Andrew talking to Damon a little
:43:04. > :43:19.earlier. All those promoting the case
:43:20. > :43:23.for Britain remaining in the EU have traditionally deployed the arguments
:43:24. > :43:25.of fear at what a Brexit The will tell you of instability,
:43:26. > :43:29.of economic ruin, of the unknown. That remaining in is the way
:43:30. > :43:31.to preserve everything Except these days,
:43:32. > :43:35.nothing about Europe, whether it's the migrant exodus,
:43:36. > :43:39.Schengen, the borders or the ability to respond to terrorism,
:43:40. > :43:42.looks particularly stable, or known. One man whose job is to convince us
:43:43. > :43:45.it really is, is Alan Johnson, leading Labour's
:43:46. > :43:58.campaign to stay in. Very nice of you to come in. Is it a
:43:59. > :44:03.risk, to leave the EU? A huge risk, we have been members for 40 years.
:44:04. > :44:08.Either dissipated in 1975. You were too young. At the time there were
:44:09. > :44:12.nine member states, we had only just joined. It was in effect a
:44:13. > :44:15.referendum of whether to go in. No country has written themselves away
:44:16. > :44:18.from this crucial, international body. You just heard Amber Rudd
:44:19. > :44:24.talking about if they could make that deal on climate change stick.
:44:25. > :44:28.We have the procedures and the relationship and the process to do
:44:29. > :44:32.that, which is Europe, through the European Union. We cannot solve
:44:33. > :44:36.climate change on our own. We can help to solve it more effectively by
:44:37. > :44:41.working with other countries. Ignores so much to say the risk is
:44:42. > :44:47.in going out, not in staying in, when people look at Europe now they
:44:48. > :44:50.say this is a continent in crisis. Whether it is a millions crossing
:44:51. > :44:56.continents to come here, no uniformity of police, builders
:44:57. > :45:01.borders, nomad jihadis, people look at this and say, this is not what we
:45:02. > :45:06.signed up to. This is not the Europe of 75. Do we want any more of it? In
:45:07. > :45:12.75 it was all about political union because any political union can do
:45:13. > :45:16.things... Like David Cameron will be arguing on Thursday, leave Brexit
:45:17. > :45:19.aside, will be calling for more control on guns across the European
:45:20. > :45:25.Union. All the things you mentioned are arguments for staying in. No one
:45:26. > :45:28.who voted to go in in 75 didn't vote because all of the problems of the
:45:29. > :45:32.world would be solved, but because some of those problems we could do
:45:33. > :45:36.much more effectively in an increasingly joined up world in
:45:37. > :45:40.Europe. On the issue about refugees, Europe is trying very hard to
:45:41. > :45:45.resolve that. We ought to be at the of that, helping them to resolve
:45:46. > :45:48.that. Instead of that, Britain seems to be over by the exit door
:45:49. > :45:54.whingeing and moaning instead of playing its role.
:45:55. > :46:00.You've got Germany saying one thing and Hungary saying another, they are
:46:01. > :46:05.post on what should be a central issue. How can you say there is
:46:06. > :46:09.uniformity of action when the continent cannot agree with itself
:46:10. > :46:13.anyway? Because if they were separate countries they would be
:46:14. > :46:17.doing that anyway to a much greater degree, and you would be looking for
:46:18. > :46:22.a formulation to bring them together to thrash this out. Britain is much
:46:23. > :46:27.better placed. We are not part of Schengen which means refugees
:46:28. > :46:31.outside of the UK have got to register in the first country they
:46:32. > :46:46.come to but they need a visa to come to Britain. If we leave the European
:46:47. > :46:50.Union we lose the Dublin accord. The trouble is, we have heard
:46:51. > :46:57.reassurance on this stuff from Labour in the past, back in 2004 you
:46:58. > :47:01.predicted 15,000 per year would come through the doors, 600,000 came
:47:02. > :47:05.within the first two years. Why would anyone trust your numbers and
:47:06. > :47:12.listen to labour on immigration matters? This is a different thing,
:47:13. > :47:18.it is about free movement in the EU. It is about trust when you are
:47:19. > :47:22.putting those arguments forward. We gave Britain the first referendum
:47:23. > :47:27.that it had on this, and the 40 years since then has seen Britain
:47:28. > :47:32.much better protected in terms of consumer affairs, in terms of people
:47:33. > :47:36.at work because of the social dimension to Europe, and Europe is
:47:37. > :47:40.better than this single issue that David Cameron is concentrating on,
:47:41. > :47:45.which is in work benefits for migrants. We think there was a case
:47:46. > :47:51.to increase habitual residency, but the way to go about that is to build
:47:52. > :47:57.alliances, to make friends, and to genuinely influence what's going on,
:47:58. > :48:03.not to make this one package of yes or know, as if reform of Europe was
:48:04. > :48:09.an event when it is a process. Work benefits paid out to migrants this
:48:10. > :48:14.something you continue to back, and you don't back the Prime Minister
:48:15. > :48:18.who says it has got to end? We think habitual residency should be
:48:19. > :48:22.increased. David Cameron said it should be four years, which no one
:48:23. > :48:27.thought he would even get close to, then make this the focal point of
:48:28. > :48:31.what's going on in Europe. Lots of people think it is crazy that the UK
:48:32. > :48:37.economy is paying out, they should be able to get tax credits or help
:48:38. > :48:41.with housing when they haven't contributed anything into the
:48:42. > :48:46.system. Most other European countries have a system where you
:48:47. > :48:51.contribute, so there is a contributory system to benefit. That
:48:52. > :48:57.was the original idea of the Labour government in 1945 but it has been
:48:58. > :49:03.diminished. We could return to that, but there's also a real, in other
:49:04. > :49:07.European union countries, to increase habitual residency and the
:49:08. > :49:14.way to deal with that is to be a participating part of Europe, to be
:49:15. > :49:19.leading and not leaving. 74% of people that were polled back the
:49:20. > :49:25.Prime Minister on this. There is real concern about that sense that
:49:26. > :49:30.small communities... Tristram Hunt has said, in his community this is
:49:31. > :49:35.what is happening, he recognises that. Do you? People are getting
:49:36. > :49:39.crowded, forced to deal with services that are not there. You
:49:40. > :49:45.must recognise this is a major concern for people. It is a concern
:49:46. > :49:49.that we can do a lot to address in terms of our domestic policy because
:49:50. > :49:53.lots of companies are bringing over workers from Eastern Europe for
:49:54. > :49:56.instance when they could be using British workers, but they are doing
:49:57. > :50:04.it under the guise of agency workers. There is the issue of
:50:05. > :50:08.whether Turkey joins or not, it is a long-running thing. This could be
:50:09. > :50:15.another 77 million people now that could come to the UK if they wanted,
:50:16. > :50:20.claim benefits, the rest of it. The issue about Europe is bigger than
:50:21. > :50:25.the sum of its parts. The issue of free movement which you are
:50:26. > :50:30.concentrating on is an issue that benefits Britain. No country has
:50:31. > :50:35.more of its people living and working in other developed countries
:50:36. > :50:42.than in Britain. More than Poland. Is that what you're saying, go and
:50:43. > :50:46.work somewhere else? The referendum won't be on one aspect of this, it
:50:47. > :50:57.will be on the whole issue about whether we stay part of Europe or
:50:58. > :51:00.not. Every country has accepted free movement as part of the deal for
:51:01. > :51:06.trading in this enormous trading block. You said this is a once in a
:51:07. > :51:12.generation decision, people have got to look at the long term and that
:51:13. > :51:15.has got to include the risks. What happens if the government comes in
:51:16. > :51:20.that says I'm not going to stick to that, I am going to allow more
:51:21. > :51:26.benefits to people, I am going to increase free movement. People have
:51:27. > :51:33.got to go into this saying, I know that the next whatever, 30 years,
:51:34. > :51:37.they are not going to attack my community or hurts my economical
:51:38. > :51:43.status even more because that's the risk. I hope it is more than 30
:51:44. > :51:48.years, this is the most profound political decision of my lifetime,
:51:49. > :51:55.but people will know in an increasingly interdependent world we
:51:56. > :51:59.need to be part of our continent, not out bearing isolation. Not every
:52:00. > :52:08.problem can be solved but Europe is not something that is done to us, it
:52:09. > :52:15.is something we participate in. That is what people think, that it is
:52:16. > :52:20.done to us. Some people are more intelligent than they are given
:52:21. > :52:25.credit for, people understand, they understood in 75 the importance of
:52:26. > :52:30.being part of our continent, and I'm sure they will understand that when
:52:31. > :52:34.the referendum comes, but this will be an important debate and I don't
:52:35. > :52:37.think that anyone should be complacent about the outcome. Alan
:52:38. > :52:38.Johnson, thank you very much indeed. Now over to Rachel for
:52:39. > :52:46.the news headlines. President Barack Obama has hailed an
:52:47. > :52:50.agreement reached by nearly 200 nations that is designed to curb
:52:51. > :52:55.global warming as ambitious and historic.
:52:56. > :52:58.The Paris deal aims to curb global warming to less than
:52:59. > :53:01.The agreement, which is partly legally binding and partly
:53:02. > :53:05.voluntary, will come into being in 2020.
:53:06. > :53:11.The Energy and Climate Change Secretary Amber Rudd said the Paris
:53:12. > :53:14.deal was a compromise of sorts and not a perfect deal but an historic
:53:15. > :53:19.moment internationally. Shaker Aamer, the UK's last
:53:20. > :53:21.Guantanamo Bay detainee, has denounced Islamic extremism,
:53:22. > :53:23.in his first interview since being released
:53:24. > :53:25.from 14 years in captivity. Mr Aamer said his years of pain
:53:26. > :53:28.in detention were "washed away" Speaking to the Mail on Sunday,
:53:29. > :53:33.he also condemned attacks like the murder of
:53:34. > :53:36.Fusilier Lee Rigby. Downing Street has insisted
:53:37. > :53:39.David Cameron will continue to make the case for a curb on in-work
:53:40. > :53:44.benefits for EU migrants in Britain. The Prime Minister was responding
:53:45. > :53:48.to reports in today's papers that he was planning to backtrack
:53:49. > :53:51.from putting the plan at the heart of his efforts to renegotiate
:53:52. > :53:57.Britain's membership of the EU. The next news is on BBC One
:53:58. > :54:09.is at one o'clock. Thanks, well Alan Johnson
:54:10. > :54:22.and Chrissie Hynde join me now. There is an old relationship here,
:54:23. > :54:30.isn't there? It's not in the book! Did you ask not to be in the book?
:54:31. > :54:34.Some Jamie is... A recording engineer who has worked with
:54:35. > :54:42.Chrissy. You were in a band, do you ever look at this... I love The
:54:43. > :54:51.Pretenders. That album, which was coming out at punk, which I never
:54:52. > :54:55.had a lot of time for, but there was this melodious voice and great
:54:56. > :55:00.tracks. Your regret is that you didn't write songs after your 20s,
:55:01. > :55:06.how do you know when you will break through? I wrote them but no one was
:55:07. > :55:11.interested! I don't know that you know you are going to break through.
:55:12. > :55:18.When I was doing it that wasn't the agenda, the agenda was frankly not
:55:19. > :55:22.to be part of the establishment. It's different now. We are going to
:55:23. > :55:31.let you stop talking. The guitarist is ready for the performance.
:55:32. > :55:36.We have had the Stop The War Christmas party, are they a vital
:55:37. > :55:43.part of democracy as Jeremy Corbyn says? They are part of the
:55:44. > :55:50.democratic society. He was their chair. If we try to emulate this
:55:51. > :55:55.idea of being a protest group and shape our party in that way, I've
:55:56. > :55:57.got no doubt that is not in Jeremy's plans, but that is what concerns
:55:58. > :56:05.people. Thank you very much indeed. Andrew Neil will be here in an hour
:56:06. > :56:09.with The Sunday Politics - his guests will include
:56:10. > :56:12.Yvette Cooper, who's been to Calais to see the refugee crisis
:56:13. > :56:13.at first hand. Andrew Marr will be back next week
:56:14. > :56:16.for a special Christmas edition Sir John Major will be
:56:17. > :56:19.live in the studio and David Tennant will be
:56:20. > :56:22.explaining how he's helping the Royal Shakespeare Company
:56:23. > :56:23.celebrate the 400th anniversary of William
:56:24. > :56:25.Shakespeare in 2016. Until then, we leave
:56:26. > :56:27.you with Chrissie Hynde and her classic Christmas
:56:28. > :56:29.hit, 2000 Miles.