:00:00. > :00:07.One of the biggest stories of the last year was the unpredicted,
:00:08. > :00:33.But, in 2016, can he really wow the country?
:00:34. > :00:38.As you might have guessed by now, my guests this week include
:00:39. > :00:42.the Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, plus Nick Clegg, one of the prime
:00:43. > :00:44.casualties of the 2015 election, now re-emerging to fight
:00:45. > :01:00.So, that is two macho heart-throbs on the show already.
:01:01. > :01:05.We also have Leonardo DiCaprio, on the verge, at long last,
:01:06. > :01:09.the movie world seems to think, of getting his first Oscar.
:01:10. > :01:12.His new film is, amongst other things, a meditation
:01:13. > :01:20.And, to play us out, we are going to hear Blackbird.
:01:21. > :01:24.That lovely Beatles song as you have never heard it before,
:01:25. > :01:27.in the hands of the classical guitarist, Milos.
:01:28. > :01:29.And, reviewing the papers, two freelance journalists who come
:01:30. > :01:31.to politics from opposite ends of the spectrum.
:01:32. > :01:38.And Rachel Shabi, rather less on the right.
:01:39. > :01:40.But, first, the news with Roger Johnson.
:01:41. > :01:43.International sanctions against Iran have been lifted,
:01:44. > :01:47.almost four decades after they were first imposed.
:01:48. > :01:50.Last night, the UN's atomic energy watchdog formally accepted that
:01:51. > :01:53.Tehran has complied with demands to curtail its nuclear development.
:01:54. > :01:55.The head of that watchdog is travelling to Iran today
:01:56. > :01:57.to discuss continued nuclear monitoring.
:01:58. > :02:03.Our diplomatic correspondent, Bridget Kendall reports.
:02:04. > :02:07.The moment Iran had been waiting for.
:02:08. > :02:10.In Vienna, confirmation that it had done enough to curtail its nuclear
:02:11. > :02:18.programme, triggering a green light to lift international sanctions.
:02:19. > :02:21.This achievement clearly demonstrates that, with political
:02:22. > :02:22.will, perseverance and through multilateral diplomacy,
:02:23. > :02:26.we can solve the most difficult issues.
:02:27. > :02:31.Released from captivity for allegedly plotting
:02:32. > :02:38.against the Iranian state, the Washington Post reporter,
:02:39. > :02:42.Jason Rezaian, along with three other Iranian-American captives,
:02:43. > :02:47.Amir Hekmati, a former US Marine, Saeed Abedini, a religious pastor,
:02:48. > :02:50.as well as a fourth man, Nosratollah Khosravi-Roodsari.
:02:51. > :02:55.All freed in a dramatic prisoner swap with the US.
:02:56. > :02:59.This evening, we are reminded once again of diplomacy's power
:03:00. > :03:10.Well, in essence, it has scaled back much of its nuclear programme.
:03:11. > :03:14.It has cut back the number of centrifuges used to enrich
:03:15. > :03:19.It's reduced its enriched uranium stockpile, shipping out the bulk
:03:20. > :03:25.And it's dismantled the core of the heavy water reactor at Arak,
:03:26. > :03:28.replacing it with concrete so it can't be used to make
:03:29. > :03:35.Some sanctions will remain but, overall,
:03:36. > :03:37.this is a very significant milestone.
:03:38. > :03:39.Iran's oil can flow out again and investors can dive in,
:03:40. > :03:45.ending years of Iran's international isolation.
:03:46. > :03:48.A campaign group has been set up by pro-European Conservatives
:03:49. > :03:54.to make the case for Britain to stay in the EU.
:03:55. > :03:57.The group is being led by the former minister, Nick Herbert.
:03:58. > :03:59.It supports the changes to the terms of membership being negotiated
:04:00. > :04:04.The first of three days of national mourning have begun
:04:05. > :04:06.in the West African state of Burkina Faso, following an attack
:04:07. > :04:13.At least 29 people were killed in the siege on a hotel and a nearby
:04:14. > :04:21.Campaigners are welcoming the designation of 23 new marine
:04:22. > :04:25.conservation zones around the UK coastline.
:04:26. > :04:28.It's part of an extension of the country's blue belt,
:04:29. > :04:31.designed to protect wildlife and geological features.
:04:32. > :04:35.The new zones mean that around 8,000 square miles of coastline are now
:04:36. > :04:38.protected, although it's also led to concern over the impact
:04:39. > :04:43.I'll be back with the headlines just before ten o'clock.
:04:44. > :05:01.I have chosen the Sunday Telegraph. Interesting this story has been
:05:02. > :05:05.given to one of the most Eurosceptic newspapers.
:05:06. > :05:11.And the Burkina Faso story, good coverage. Their political story is
:05:12. > :05:18.at the bottom, secret EU master plan, they claim to have three tiny
:05:19. > :05:21.little rabbits to come out of hats for that.
:05:22. > :05:24.The Observer newspaper on global air pollution.
:05:25. > :05:32.The Independent newspaper, with an interval is with Jeremy Corbyn --
:05:33. > :05:38.interview on people smugglers. And this headline, a shock, the
:05:39. > :05:42.outfit has been behind before and this could be a turning point which
:05:43. > :05:46.we will discuss. Julia?
:05:47. > :05:56.As a Eurosceptic, I am delighted but sceptical if it will be delivered if
:05:57. > :05:59.and when we get the referendum. We are in this situation were a lot of
:06:00. > :06:05.Eurosceptics have been complaining over the past weeks it is only the
:06:06. > :06:11.pro-Europeans in Cabinet able to say what they want. And this is fixed.
:06:12. > :06:14.But not effectively. There is an attempt to fix as always with the
:06:15. > :06:20.Conservative Party because they are in such a bind.
:06:21. > :06:25.Yes. I love the way the Daily Mail has put this white on black to
:06:26. > :06:32.emphasise how domestic the surge is. People are saying things like the
:06:33. > :06:40.migration crisis, economic crisis, the attacks in Cologne, have pushed
:06:41. > :06:45.the get out over Europe boat -- voting higher. It speaks on the
:06:46. > :06:50.Britain we want to be. And ideological battle between the far
:06:51. > :06:55.right with a particular xenophobic hard line approach to migration,
:06:56. > :07:04.pro-austerity. And the Progressive currents coming through Europe that
:07:05. > :07:09.is, do we want something more progressive, based on something
:07:10. > :07:16.better, on freedom of movement crucially.
:07:17. > :07:24.There is nothing about Europe which... No, it guarantees Labour
:07:25. > :07:27.wages. I am a Democrat, I believe in sovereignty accountable Government,
:07:28. > :07:36.that is what people are voting on. I agree with you, the EU is
:07:37. > :07:40.anti-democratic and 60th, bullying, pushing a pro-austerity agenda, that
:07:41. > :07:44.needs to change. But we should reform it for the better in a
:07:45. > :07:48.progressive way. Returning to the papers, the mail on
:07:49. > :07:53.Sunday about that, looking at potential leaders in the campaign.
:07:54. > :08:01.This story is reiterating what we have said on the reasons why the
:08:02. > :08:06.anti-Europe boat has been surging and if Boris Johnson were to join
:08:07. > :08:10.the campaign, then more people would want to leave Europe which cements
:08:11. > :08:16.the argument against. It is depressing people will decide
:08:17. > :08:20.based on whether they like him. I don't believe in the end they
:08:21. > :08:25.will. They will vote on gut instinct and what the Prime Minister brings
:08:26. > :08:29.from Brussels. Three relatively small rabbits, tell
:08:30. > :08:37.us. So small, barely worth mentioning.
:08:38. > :08:41.Stuff we found out a year ago, look what an amazing deal David Cameron
:08:42. > :08:45.has brought from Brussels, he fought so hard, the others were against
:08:46. > :08:49.him. Three attractively coloured guinea
:08:50. > :08:56.pigs. They are meaningless, having a
:08:57. > :09:02.status in the outer tear, parliament being sovereign. They have been told
:09:03. > :09:04.that 20 years Parliament is sovereign.
:09:05. > :10:20.David What Corbyn is joined to do is
:10:21. > :10:25.address this, to make society more fair and more equal, not just
:10:26. > :10:31.because it is a good idea, because as it turns out it is better for the
:10:32. > :10:35.economy, you generate more wealth. I agree with him in terms of the
:10:36. > :10:41.aim. I personally don't want the Government interfering with when a
:10:42. > :10:43.private company shares out its dividends which is what he
:10:44. > :10:52.announced. There is an -- another policy, where
:10:53. > :11:04.only a percentage of profits would be shared amongst workers.
:11:05. > :11:11.It is no business of Government to interfere. They should parry a fair
:11:12. > :11:21.wage, I am in favour of the National living wage in legally required and
:11:22. > :11:24.being higher. You should be able to afford your rent.
:11:25. > :11:33.That should make sense if wealth trickled down but it doesn't. It is
:11:34. > :11:37.not that, we live in a capitalist society, if people pay a fair wage
:11:38. > :11:42.in a capitalist society, it is no business on the Government to take a
:11:43. > :11:46.share of profits. It is a loaded way of putting it.
:11:47. > :11:52.Most companies are not paying those wages they are bound to do.
:11:53. > :11:58.Yes, they are. Most pay way above the living wage.
:11:59. > :12:03.People are supplementing their wages with tax credits. And it is not
:12:04. > :12:05.trickling down. Do you one a fairer society.
:12:06. > :12:14.Let us move on. This next story.
:12:15. > :12:22.Barely mentioned by Jeremy Corbyn in his speech to the party faithful.
:12:23. > :12:26.Many Labour members have spoken out about the duty for Jeremy Corbyn to
:12:27. > :12:33.back Trident. So much argument seems to be about
:12:34. > :12:40.jobs, the ?100 billion cost of Trident is an awful lot to spend to
:12:41. > :12:44.save jobs. Jobs are important. The issue is about national security and
:12:45. > :12:51.being a player in the world. In the 1980s when the Labour Party
:12:52. > :12:55.was for unilateral disarmament, that did not play well with the British
:12:56. > :12:58.public. Rachel, another story about the
:12:59. > :13:08.internal debate inside the Labour Party. I need to move things on.
:13:09. > :13:15.There is so much to say about Trident and the fact it is being
:13:16. > :13:19.turned into this sacred cow of security.
:13:20. > :13:23.Most defence security -- most defence officials are saying the
:13:24. > :13:28.best way to defend the country is not with out dented Trident. You are
:13:29. > :13:35.turning it into a matter of national-security.
:13:36. > :13:41.This came up in a Fabian Society where Jeremy Corbyn demonstrated why
:13:42. > :13:51.he is so popular, putting together an alternative politics that has
:13:52. > :13:55.resonated so much. Did you say the party massive?
:13:56. > :13:59.A break phrase. I don't think I invented that phrase. Party
:14:00. > :14:07.faithful? Let me bring you up to date!
:14:08. > :14:13.There is a split between the new Labour section who think that what
:14:14. > :14:16.the election told us was Labour needs to be more centrist and
:14:17. > :14:22.austerity light. The other side which supports what
:14:23. > :14:26.Jeremy Corbyn is saying, public support could rates this, that
:14:27. > :14:31.people are looking for an alternative politics. We need an
:14:32. > :14:38.opposition to austerity, we need popular moves like renationalisation
:14:39. > :14:42.of utilities, massive investment in infrastructure and public services.
:14:43. > :14:48.That seems to be the tussle within the Labour Party. What kind of
:14:49. > :14:51.Labour do we want? Don't look at Julia, you will set
:14:52. > :14:57.her off. I can read you both very well.
:14:58. > :15:02.The last story. Nothing to do with the Conservative
:15:03. > :15:07.Party. Blue Monday, the third Monday of January every year, a combination
:15:08. > :15:14.of Christmas debts, misery over the weather, back at work, the slog of
:15:15. > :15:19.the year ahead. The grimmest day of the year. There is very little
:15:20. > :15:27.scientific evidence. What science would back that up.
:15:28. > :15:37.How many newspaper stories are based on bogus university research? None
:15:38. > :15:42.at all. Hard-working journalists would never fall for that. Two
:15:43. > :15:47.hard-working journalists, thank you very much indeed.
:15:48. > :15:50.Last week, you may remember, I was begging for cold,
:15:51. > :15:53.Zeus, or at least the BBC weather studio, was listening.
:15:54. > :16:01.It is set to stay cold for much of next week as well. We have seen our
:16:02. > :16:06.first snowfall over many parts of Britain of the season so far, watch
:16:07. > :16:15.out for that because there will be ice on undertreated surfaces. There
:16:16. > :16:20.will be some fog patches for the south and west. It is cloudy. We
:16:21. > :16:29.have milder air trying to make inroads, and it is called across
:16:30. > :16:36.eastern areas. That rain edges into Scotland to produce snow at lower
:16:37. > :16:43.levels as well, and also moves into Wales. It will be a cold, frosty
:16:44. > :16:49.night once again. As we head into Monday day, it will be the east that
:16:50. > :16:55.will see the bright, cold, crisp weather. Elsewhere cloudy with
:16:56. > :17:00.patchy rain. Some sleet and snow, may be down to lower levels in
:17:01. > :17:07.Scotland. Much milder across the south-west, colder across the east.
:17:08. > :17:14.High pressure builds back in, so we are back to the cold overnight
:17:15. > :17:20.frosts and the bright sunny days. No complaints about that at all.
:17:21. > :17:23.Do you remember, "I agree with Nick"?
:17:24. > :17:26.And that hugely touching bromance in the rose garden with David
:17:27. > :17:31.But, get into bed with the modern Conservative Party,
:17:32. > :17:34.and they will kick you out of the door before breakfast.
:17:35. > :17:38.Nick Clegg, nothing if not resilient, plans to play a major
:17:39. > :17:40.role in the biggest politics of 2016, Britain's future
:17:41. > :17:46.Welcome. You have spent five years with the Prime Minister talking I'm
:17:47. > :17:52.sure a lot about Europe in private. Is there any part of you that
:17:53. > :17:59.prepared to lead this country out of the EU? -- any part of him? Part of
:18:00. > :18:02.the problem is the debate has been so much about the Conservatives
:18:03. > :18:08.debating with Conservatives, and at some point David Cameron will need
:18:09. > :18:11.to switch gear from being the leader of a slightly split party on Europe
:18:12. > :18:16.into the leader of the country and saying very clearly to the country
:18:17. > :18:21.as a whole what he wants and I hope that will happen immediately after
:18:22. > :18:24.this complicated renegotiation is finally complete. A lot of
:18:25. > :18:28.Conservatives think there is a lot of smoke and mirrors here, and in
:18:29. > :18:34.the end David Cameron will campaign to stay in the EU, and everything is
:18:35. > :18:45.being fixed towards that end, and if you think that is an accurate
:18:46. > :18:50.assessment? I think you would like to stay in the European Union after
:18:51. > :18:59.it has been reformed by his negotiations. Is the renegotiation
:19:00. > :19:05.done deal now? Some parts of it are substantial. What George Osborne has
:19:06. > :19:08.been rightly emphasising is that we need to make sure the United
:19:09. > :19:14.Kingdom, as the rest of the euro zone changes, that the UK is the
:19:15. > :19:19.largest economy in the European Union but outside of the eurozone
:19:20. > :19:22.those rights are properly protected. That is a substantive thing that
:19:23. > :19:30.needs to be flicked us part of this process. -- needs to be fixed. We
:19:31. > :19:35.will be hearing a lot about the dangers and perils of leaving the EU
:19:36. > :19:40.but there are dangers of staying as well. For instance the Turkish
:19:41. > :19:46.accession, are you in favour of that? I think Turkish opinion itself
:19:47. > :19:50.has changed dramatically. I don't think Turkish interest in becoming a
:19:51. > :19:55.member of the European Union is what it was when it was first mooted.
:19:56. > :20:00.They agree there are risks on both sides. My own view is that the
:20:01. > :20:06.people who really count in this referendum, namely the people who
:20:07. > :20:17.don't believe Russian admit -- don't believe passionately that we should
:20:18. > :20:20.stay or leave. Of course there are imperfections in the European Union
:20:21. > :20:25.as much as in our political arrangements here. I stay with
:20:26. > :20:30.Turkey, you called it a strategic necessity for Turkey to join at one
:20:31. > :20:35.point, that's another 75 million people able to work here if they so
:20:36. > :20:40.choose, and a 500 mile border with Syria. That's the kind of thing that
:20:41. > :20:44.make people think it would be safer to stay out. Turkey already has a
:20:45. > :20:49.very close relationship with the European Union so we trade with
:20:50. > :20:53.Turkey in a way we don't with many other countries already. Secondly
:20:54. > :20:58.there are very large numbers of Turks in Germany and elsewhere who
:20:59. > :21:03.moved many years ago. Thirdly, if we were to pull out of the European
:21:04. > :21:09.Union, the problem of people moving large distances away from conflict,
:21:10. > :21:15.that that somehow will go is a nonsense. But we would gain more
:21:16. > :21:21.control over our borders surely if we left. I question that a little
:21:22. > :21:25.bit. We had an arrangement with France back in 2003, such that they
:21:26. > :21:31.check passports and we can check people's entry into the UK on French
:21:32. > :21:35.soil. There's no need to reason that would necessarily continue if we
:21:36. > :21:39.were to pull-out of the European Union. I don't buy this idea that by
:21:40. > :21:44.turning our back on Europe, somehow we can wave a wand and mass
:21:45. > :21:53.migration will not be a problem. It will remain a problem whether we are
:21:54. > :21:57.or out. In an insecure world there is safety in numbers. Many people
:21:58. > :22:00.feel they will have to take this decision based on their views of
:22:01. > :22:07.Europe today, actually the decision we need to take is for what we
:22:08. > :22:13.believe Britain should be for our children and grandchildren. Should
:22:14. > :22:18.it be open or closed, or should we be isolated? For future generations,
:22:19. > :22:25.it is important we keep Britain's strong. You are also very keen on
:22:26. > :22:29.the euro, are you still keen on us joining the euro? Where you are
:22:30. > :22:34.wrong about that? With hindsight it is clear that joining the euro is
:22:35. > :22:36.not something I would advocate and it is not something that's on the
:22:37. > :22:44.ballot paper when it comes to the referendum. You were saying it would
:22:45. > :22:49.have a devastating effect on the economy unless we join this thing at
:22:50. > :22:53.the time, and you were wrong, so people will be thinking why should
:22:54. > :22:56.we listen to you now? This is completely different, it is about
:22:57. > :23:01.whether we should stay in a club of which we have been a member since
:23:02. > :23:07.the early 1970s. What I didn't anticipate and many people didn't
:23:08. > :23:11.frankly is that the rules that were supposed to govern entry into the
:23:12. > :23:15.eurozone were forged as badly as they were, for instance allowing
:23:16. > :23:19.entry for countries like Greece that should never have been allowed into
:23:20. > :23:23.the eurozone at all, but they were separate issues, and in my view
:23:24. > :23:27.staying in a club which gives safety in numbers is on balance better than
:23:28. > :23:35.the imperfections of the European Union. Nick Clegg himself, a little
:23:36. > :23:39.bit of how it has been, expelled from the golden circle of power, you
:23:40. > :23:43.have had a lot of criticism for not turning up to vote enough in the
:23:44. > :23:50.House of Commons. You have the worst voting record of any MP in 2015, why
:23:51. > :23:53.is that? In the months immediately after the general election, you're
:23:54. > :23:58.right, I didn't vote as much as I should. It was only a few weeks of
:23:59. > :24:02.voting if you take the summer holidays into account, but over the
:24:03. > :24:06.five-year Parliament I will vote more. Of course you lose
:24:07. > :24:10.responsibility and the authority to take decisions, which I enjoyed
:24:11. > :24:16.doing in Government, but you also gain greater freedom. You were one
:24:17. > :24:20.of the very few Liberal Democrats who thanks to Conservative health,
:24:21. > :24:26.kept your seat. Do you ever wished you had gone down with the ship at
:24:27. > :24:32.the time? No, I'm delighted for my constituency. It's one of the things
:24:33. > :24:41.I enjoy most in politics. If you are inviting me to lick my wounds in
:24:42. > :24:45.public, I don't do that. Television cameras love mawkish! Nick Clegg,
:24:46. > :24:57.thank you very much indeed, and you can hear the other side of the leave
:24:58. > :24:58.or remain argument later this morning when Nigel Farage joins
:24:59. > :25:03.Andrew Neil on the Sunday Politics. Leonardo DiCaprio has long been
:25:04. > :25:05.Hollywood's golden boy, adored by both the box
:25:06. > :25:07.office and the critics. The one accolade that eludes him
:25:08. > :25:10.is the Best Actor Oscar. Well, next month, he hopes
:25:11. > :25:12.that will all change. His new epic, The Revenant,
:25:13. > :25:15.was a ferociously hard film to make. It's a bloody tale of survival
:25:16. > :25:18.and revenge in the wintry Wild West, as a trapper is left
:25:19. > :25:20.for dead by his comrades. When we met, DiCaprio told me why
:25:21. > :25:23.The Revenant was his most difficult role to date, and why he's thrilled
:25:24. > :25:28.it's been nominated for 12 Oscars. I think certainly the conditions
:25:29. > :25:57.that we had to shoot in was the main thing, the freezing
:25:58. > :26:01.cold temperatures. But everyone that was part of this
:26:02. > :26:04.movie, including myself, knew from the very onset
:26:05. > :26:07.we were going to get involved with something that would be
:26:08. > :26:10.incredibly challenging. So, you had to live in the snow,
:26:11. > :26:14.with the cold and the ice. But there was something
:26:15. > :26:23.exciting about it. We wanted to shoot the entire film
:26:24. > :26:27.in natural light, so we had this hour and a half window,
:26:28. > :26:32.this golden hour and a half at the end of the day,
:26:33. > :26:36.which led to this fanaticism, We rehearsed all day long,
:26:37. > :26:44.but everything we needed to accomplish that shot
:26:45. > :26:46.in an hour and a half. I am sure I will never experience
:26:47. > :26:49.a movie like this again. To what extent do the native
:26:50. > :26:53.Americans become the We have seen historically
:26:54. > :26:57.in Hollywood this polarisation where they are either extremely
:26:58. > :27:00.good or extremely bad. Everyone in this film
:27:01. > :27:06.is trying to survive. 'Missouri's no good,
:27:07. > :27:11.not while they are running it'. This clash between the white men
:27:12. > :27:14.coming to the West to extract the natural resources,
:27:15. > :27:16.killing the animals, And what happened to
:27:17. > :27:25.the native American culture? The Revenant has had 12 Oscar
:27:26. > :27:29.nominations, you have been nominated, congratulations,
:27:30. > :27:30.for Best Actor. All year, there has been
:27:31. > :27:37.a chirruping and a tweeting in the background -
:27:38. > :27:39.this is Leonardo DiCaprio's year. Do you feel that they are going
:27:40. > :27:42.to talk you out of it? Do I think they will talk me
:27:43. > :27:45.out of it? Is there too much
:27:46. > :27:49.chatter about it almost? The truth of the matter is that I've
:27:50. > :27:52.been in situations before where I thought films
:27:53. > :27:59.or performances, either mine or others, should be either
:28:00. > :28:02.nominated or a film should be more adored by the public,
:28:03. > :28:05.or critics should revere it more. Knowing that I did a movie that took
:28:06. > :28:17.this much of my life, that we devoted this much to it
:28:18. > :28:25.as far as focus is concerned, we gave it everything
:28:26. > :28:28.we possibly could. To sit here and be looking at that
:28:29. > :28:31.many nominations for this film, not only feels good but it feels
:28:32. > :28:34.like people have a yearning to see It's one of those films
:28:35. > :28:42.where you need that wraparound sound and the big screen to appreciate
:28:43. > :28:45.the extraordinary photography. In an age of Netflix with multipart
:28:46. > :28:49.series all over the place, I wonder to what extent you feel
:28:50. > :28:52.yourself to be a standard bearer Netflix can put a tremendous amount
:28:53. > :29:05.of wealth into the quality, My instinct is it's going to be
:29:06. > :29:13.the spectacle-based films that will survive in the theatrical
:29:14. > :29:19.release, because people want to have the Imax experience,
:29:20. > :29:21.they want that sound. They want to feel it amongst
:29:22. > :29:23.the community and have To be able to have a dark theatre,
:29:24. > :29:31.and completely transport yourself somewhere entirely,
:29:32. > :29:34.and forget the rest of the world exists, there's nothing else
:29:35. > :29:40.like that, artistically. And so, yes, that's why
:29:41. > :29:58.the theatrical experience, We are going to see
:29:59. > :30:08.Leonardo DiCaprio working on the big screen working with great
:30:09. > :30:10.directors again, I'm sure. But less likely to see him
:30:11. > :30:13.in a 24-part Netflix TV series. For me, it always depends
:30:14. > :30:16.on the director. If it is a great director,
:30:17. > :30:19.I'm up for anything. We just lost this week Alan Rickman,
:30:20. > :30:29.one of our greatest actors. Among the many things he said,
:30:30. > :30:31.he's only interested, when he's thinking about acting,
:30:32. > :30:34.in the intensity and the accuracy I believe David Bowie was exactly
:30:35. > :30:45.the same age. That quote is a very pertinent one,
:30:46. > :30:55.certainly for me in this movie, one of the lessons I learned
:30:56. > :30:57.while making this movie because so much of what I have
:30:58. > :31:01.to do is in silence. It was about listening,
:31:02. > :31:05.to the world around me, to not have to feel like everything
:31:06. > :31:08.needs to be articulated, I would say that is,
:31:09. > :31:13.certainly for me as an actor, Leonardo DiCaprio,
:31:14. > :31:15.great to talk to you. After the chaos of Labour's endless
:31:16. > :31:23.reshuffle, Jeremy Corbyn tried to regain the initiative yesterday
:31:24. > :31:26.with a speech laying out his plans to enforce greater equality
:31:27. > :31:30.across the British economy. A new survey this week shows how
:31:31. > :31:34.popular he is on the left. Labour membership has
:31:35. > :31:35.almost doubled under him. But the bigger question
:31:36. > :31:38.is whether he can win over uncommitted, sceptical
:31:39. > :31:48.Middle Britain. Welcome, Mr Corbyn. Today, Len
:31:49. > :31:53.McCluskey gave an interview and is asked about his future. He says, the
:31:54. > :32:03.issue is whether Jeremy will be successful, how long it will take,
:32:04. > :32:06.we have to wait and see. I talk in terms of allowing Jeremy
:32:07. > :32:15.two or three years. Do you feel on probation?
:32:16. > :32:20.I am doing my best to change the debate in Britain about the kind of
:32:21. > :32:26.society we want to live in, the grotesque inequalities, the housing
:32:27. > :32:30.crisis. Those are the issues I am campaigning strongly on. Party
:32:31. > :32:36.membership has grown, party activity has increased, good for democracy.
:32:37. > :32:41.There is a perception the people you are interested in is party members,
:32:42. > :32:45.is that fair? I spent a great deal of time
:32:46. > :32:52.travelling Britain, talking to people, campaigning. I wish to reach
:32:53. > :32:56.out to everybody because the health crisis affects everybody, the
:32:57. > :33:03.housing crisis, the grotesque levels of inequality. There is a moral case
:33:04. > :33:06.Britain has to do this differently and better.
:33:07. > :33:11.To deal with the inequality, you have to win power.
:33:12. > :33:17.There are 2 million people who voted Conservative that you have to win
:33:18. > :33:22.over. 80% of votes are people who voted Conservative. Do you think
:33:23. > :33:28.about those people with their mortgages and pensions who are not
:33:29. > :33:31.your natural supporters, don't go to meetings, not members, do you have a
:33:32. > :33:38.connection? It is right about winning people
:33:39. > :33:43.over. We do that by saying we wish to protect the NHS, not privatise
:33:44. > :33:50.it. We wish to address the housing crisis so there is proper capital
:33:51. > :33:55.housing. There is affordable places to buy for younger people who cannot
:33:56. > :34:00.get into social housing. There is going to be proper regulation of the
:34:01. > :34:04.private rented sector. But we also say to the millions of
:34:05. > :34:12.young people who did not register or vote, there is a future for you in
:34:13. > :34:17.proper access to education, decent training opportunities for high
:34:18. > :34:22.skilled jobs in manufacturing, so we rebalance our economy are not with a
:34:23. > :34:29.focus on the service sector but a greater focus on what we are good at
:34:30. > :34:33.which is inventing and developing new and high technology particularly
:34:34. > :34:38.green energy source. A lot of what you said was said by
:34:39. > :34:46.Ed Miliband. You are saying the same thing. He got hammered in that
:34:47. > :34:49.election, you lost 26 seats. The real question is whether you are
:34:50. > :34:55.prepared to reach out far enough to win those people back and prepared
:34:56. > :34:59.to compromise on your deeply held beliefs.
:35:00. > :35:04.We reach out to everybody because inequality affects us all, poverty
:35:05. > :35:08.affects us all. Such a wasted opportunity and waste of economic
:35:09. > :35:14.development opportunity. There is a message for everybody here.
:35:15. > :35:19.Why haven't they heard it before? People hear lots of things all the
:35:20. > :35:24.time. We have some time to put this over before the next election. There
:35:25. > :35:30.are electoral tests in May. We have to reach out and we are doing that.
:35:31. > :35:35.We'll leave gain some seats in May, in local elections, you haven't done
:35:36. > :35:42.very well. Outside of London, you have been falling way back.
:35:43. > :35:45.We are contesting elections all over the country. We have the mayoral
:35:46. > :35:51.elections in many parts including London.
:35:52. > :35:55.But you are going backwards. You say that but the evidence is our
:35:56. > :36:05.party is working very hard, we are gaining support. Opinion polls are
:36:06. > :36:09.fascinating but not a test. You fell back and average in the
:36:10. > :36:17.midlands of 10% in by-elections up to now. East Midlands, down 5.6%,
:36:18. > :36:24.Scotland down 8%, West Country no change. West Midlands down 10.6%,
:36:25. > :36:29.evidence on the ground you are not reaching out to those people.
:36:30. > :36:35.Council by-elections are an indicator but not the whole story
:36:36. > :36:41.because of local factors. We are campaigning very hard on the issue
:36:42. > :36:45.particularly of housing and health and fairness and equality in Britain
:36:46. > :36:52.which is what my speech to the Fabian Society was all about. Taking
:36:53. > :36:56.our society forward to look at the grotesque levels of executive pay in
:36:57. > :37:01.Britain compared to the 6 million people living below the living wage.
:37:02. > :37:05.In that speech, you proposed companies which did not pay the
:37:06. > :37:09.living wage should not pay dividends. I do not understand. I
:37:10. > :37:17.thought you were committed to bringing in the living pay -- living
:37:18. > :37:22.wage of ?10 an hour. The living wage proposed is less,
:37:23. > :37:28.the living wage now would be over ?8 to stay an hour in the UK, high in
:37:29. > :37:36.London. We would bring in a proper living wage. In the interim, we are
:37:37. > :37:40.saying to companies, if you are able to pay out dividends, listed
:37:41. > :37:45.companies, you should first check your wage bill, how many people you
:37:46. > :37:51.are employing directly or through contractual arrangements being paid
:37:52. > :37:57.less than the living wage. The wages inspectorate shows yes we have laws
:37:58. > :38:02.on wages but there is a lot of evasion. We need to crack down.
:38:03. > :38:09.You cannot ban companies from paying dividends until you are in power,
:38:10. > :38:13.and then you would introduce a legal obligation of the living wage.
:38:14. > :38:19.We will bring it in as soon as we can. It is an interim.
:38:20. > :38:22.In the same speech, you talked about the differential between the people
:38:23. > :38:30.at the top and bottom of companies, you said they should be brought
:38:31. > :38:34.down, how far down should the ratio be?
:38:35. > :38:40.The average pay of an executive is ?45 million a year in a Footsie
:38:41. > :38:51.company. The average wage in those companies of workers is far less.
:38:52. > :38:56.Executive pay has gone up, and relatively and proportionally pay
:38:57. > :39:02.has gone down for the workers. This is not something to be proud of.
:39:03. > :39:08.The ratio is 87-1. Where do you think it should be?
:39:09. > :39:13.I do not have an absolute figure in mind. It should be a lot less. We
:39:14. > :39:19.should study this and take more evidence and consult. The whole
:39:20. > :39:24.process of policy making I am encouraging the Labour Party to
:39:25. > :39:30.undertake its participation, including the wider public. Let us
:39:31. > :39:34.bring in those ideas so we promote the debate about the kind of society
:39:35. > :39:39.we want to live in. Outside here, the levels of
:39:40. > :39:43.inequality are obvious. People on the streets, people driving past in
:39:44. > :39:50.expensive cars, it is not right. It's part of that a wealth tax?
:39:51. > :39:55.There is a lot of debate. It is about tax collection and tax
:39:56. > :40:00.evasion. Not just the headline of saying a wealth tax. About saying to
:40:01. > :40:06.the very wealthy, you have a responsibility to pay tax, including
:40:07. > :40:10.the big companies that manage to offshore their head offices, their
:40:11. > :40:15.processing systems, so they end up paying tax in a lower tax regime
:40:16. > :40:20.than they showed in the UK. And about groups of workers getting
:40:21. > :40:25.better pay deals. John MacDonald said the Labour Party position has
:40:26. > :40:31.changed and you are automatically in favour of strikes, you will give
:40:32. > :40:36.them your automatic support. I don't think he said exactly that,
:40:37. > :40:40.what he said but I don't know exactly, I am sure you are about to
:40:41. > :40:43.quote. The view is straightforward, if
:40:44. > :40:48.there is industrial action, we should automatically now come
:40:49. > :40:52.alongside our brothers and sisters in the trade unions and support
:40:53. > :40:59.them. John is saying his instinctive
:41:00. > :41:03.position. For a lot of people, that we should support those people
:41:04. > :41:07.defending their position, in some cases, it improved their position.
:41:08. > :41:12.That is why we are supporting the junior doctors in their reasonable
:41:13. > :41:17.campaign, supporting the nurses to protect their bursaries. So we get a
:41:18. > :41:21.better health service. All strikes, has there ever been a
:41:22. > :41:26.strike you didn't support? I am sure there has been.
:41:27. > :41:32.Junior doctors, that would be more effective if other groups of workers
:41:33. > :41:37.who agree and see this as protecting their NHS could go on strike in
:41:38. > :41:40.support, would you repeal the Conservative visitation which
:41:41. > :41:44.forbids sympathy action? The junior doctors would be far
:41:45. > :41:49.better served if we had a Health Secretary prepared to get involved,
:41:50. > :41:54.beat them and look for a solution. There is no dispute in Scotland or
:41:55. > :41:58.Wales. Those governments have come to reasonable agreements, why can't
:41:59. > :42:02.Jeremy Hunt do the same? My question was about sympathy
:42:03. > :42:07.action and if you would remove that legislation?
:42:08. > :42:13.I think it should be legal here. You would repeal those Tory laws. Of
:42:14. > :42:20.course. No one willingly goes on strike, it is an ultimate weapon.
:42:21. > :42:25.Anyone who goes on strike is making an enormous sacrifice, they don't
:42:26. > :42:29.get paid, they suffer a great deal as a result.
:42:30. > :42:33.Let us look at the causes of the upset by the band the symptoms.
:42:34. > :42:39.So you would allow sympathy action, what about the closed shop?
:42:40. > :42:46.The closed shop, I would leave it as it is.
:42:47. > :42:53.Flying pickets? Flying pickets or a term first used in 1972 or
:42:54. > :42:58.thereabouts, people moving around showing support in a difficult
:42:59. > :43:03.industrial dispute. We have to look at the question not
:43:04. > :43:08.of what trade unions are forced to do, but the causes of the problems.
:43:09. > :43:14.Who would have thought the BMA for the first time in 40 years would be
:43:15. > :43:17.taking industrial action? A demonstration of far out of touch
:43:18. > :43:22.this Government has become and its Health Secretary.
:43:23. > :43:27.You would be in favour of secondary picketing and sympathy strikes. Some
:43:28. > :43:31.say this is your problem, you think back to the 70s when the country was
:43:32. > :43:36.on the edge of chaos and people thought the trade unions then simply
:43:37. > :43:43.had too much power, do you agree? What we were doing in the 1970s was
:43:44. > :43:49.trying to campaign for a minimum wage, what we are looking forward to
:43:50. > :43:56.is a 21st century, are we going down the road of the continuing grotesque
:43:57. > :44:00.levels of inequality in society, or regenerating ourselves as a
:44:01. > :44:04.high-tech, efficient manufacturing economy with good quality public
:44:05. > :44:09.services, properly paid public service workers, and a higher tax
:44:10. > :44:15.income because of the higher wages and higher levels of investment in
:44:16. > :44:22.industry which makes the whole society better off? What is holding
:44:23. > :44:27.us back? You have said some of the money
:44:28. > :44:34.going into Trident you would want to divert into green technologies to
:44:35. > :44:38.soak up the employment issues. We are consulting, Emily Thornbury
:44:39. > :44:44.has drawn up an interesting document. That is out for
:44:45. > :44:49.consultation as of Friday. The point I have made always is that I
:44:50. > :44:52.recognise that if there is to be a change in the Trident programme and
:44:53. > :44:58.I would want there to be, the first priority has to be to protect those
:44:59. > :45:03.jobs, redirect investment into those yards and factories and companies
:45:04. > :45:05.that would be making material and systems to go the Trident said their
:45:06. > :45:18.jobs are protected. Len McCluskey again said yesterday
:45:19. > :45:23.at the Scottish conference that the policy of getting rid of Trident
:45:24. > :45:28.would devastate communities and jobs, and he was wholly against it.
:45:29. > :45:33.I have had that discussion with Len McCluskey, with numbers of other
:45:34. > :45:38.people, and will be continuing to have those discussions. Other
:45:39. > :45:41.countries do things differently. We have amazing skills and amazing
:45:42. > :45:46.technology available in this country. Obviously my instinct is
:45:47. > :45:50.that we should use it differently, my instinct is that greater security
:45:51. > :45:54.in the world is not achieved with nuclear weapons, it's achieved by
:45:55. > :46:00.addressing the causes of insecurity. There are plenty in the military who
:46:01. > :46:04.would agree with me on that. There are many in the Labour Party who
:46:05. > :46:12.don't. It is a debate within the party, it's not a secret. You gave
:46:13. > :46:20.an interview to the independent on-site -- on Sunday in which you
:46:21. > :46:27.said it was not a binary decision, what did you mean by that? There may
:46:28. > :46:31.well be a discussion on considering further because the Government is in
:46:32. > :46:35.arguments about the cost of the whole programme. Many in the
:46:36. > :46:39.military are worried about the focus of so much expenditure on nuclear
:46:40. > :46:44.weapons when they are looking at more conventional issues and of
:46:45. > :46:50.course issues of insecurity around the world. When you say it's not
:46:51. > :46:53.binary, is there an implication Jeremy Corbyn might support a
:46:54. > :46:58.reduction in the nuclear deterrent without going the whole hog ending
:46:59. > :47:01.it straightaway? You shouldn't read so much into one sentence in an
:47:02. > :47:08.interview. My views on nuclear weapons are very well-known, and I
:47:09. > :47:15.want to see a nuclear free world, I want to see us playing a full role
:47:16. > :47:20.in the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, I want to see a
:47:21. > :47:26.de-escalation in nuclear potentials around the world. I sometimes wonder
:47:27. > :47:30.if this whole Trident debate in the Labour Party is a nonsense because
:47:31. > :47:34.we know you have said you would never press the button, and if you
:47:35. > :47:39.were a Labour Party Prime Minister therefore there would never be a
:47:40. > :47:44.nuclear deterrent. If you have made it clear you won't use it, there is
:47:45. > :47:47.no deterrent anyway. The real issue is are we going to play our part in
:47:48. > :47:55.the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. That was a missed
:47:56. > :48:06.opportunity in May, I want to pay -- play a full part in the nuclear
:48:07. > :48:09.Non-Proliferation Treaty which requires the countries that have
:48:10. > :48:15.signed it not to develop or create nuclear weapons. If we have these
:48:16. > :48:18.submarines packed with nuclear weapons circling the globe and the
:48:19. > :48:26.Prime Minister has said I will never use them, it is not a deterrent
:48:27. > :48:33.anyway. They don't have to have nuclear warheads on them. If anybody
:48:34. > :48:37.uses on nuclear weapons, it is catastrophic for the whole globe. I
:48:38. > :48:43.don't believe David Cameron would use it either. So you don't think
:48:44. > :48:51.the deterrent exist as a deterrent any more? The nuclear deterrent
:48:52. > :48:55.exist from the Cold War generation, I don't think today they are
:48:56. > :49:02.solution for that. Look at the disaster of 9/11, when nuclear
:49:03. > :49:07.weapons any help? No, they were not. We have achieved a big step forward
:49:08. > :49:13.with Iran, that is the way forward, diplomacy comes first. You have
:49:14. > :49:15.suggested just now one answer might be to keep the Trident submarines
:49:16. > :49:22.but without nuclear weapons on board. There are options there. The
:49:23. > :49:26.paper Emily Thornberry has put forward is very interesting one, it
:49:27. > :49:32.deserves a good study of it and I hope there will be a mature response
:49:33. > :49:35.to what is a very and hopefully mature debate about the nature of
:49:36. > :49:39.security and insecurity, the nature of the way in which we protect
:49:40. > :49:44.ourselves from insecurity, and we bring about a more secure world as a
:49:45. > :49:50.result. Moving to another part of the insecure world we have been
:49:51. > :50:00.talking about, Syria. The city of Madaya has-been so-called by
:50:01. > :50:04.Hezbollah. You have had dialogue with Hezbollah, have you any roots
:50:05. > :50:09.back to them? Can you persuade them to stop that siege because what they
:50:10. > :50:12.are doing is a war crime. What I would say to them and everybody else
:50:13. > :50:18.involved in the conflict in Syria, listen to the wise words of Ban
:50:19. > :50:23.Ki-Moon, when he said, to use food as a weapon of war is a war crime. I
:50:24. > :50:28.hope they are hearing this. Anyone who commits a war crime will face
:50:29. > :50:33.the consequences of that at some point in the future. That is my
:50:34. > :50:39.message to Hezbollah, to the Syrian government, to Isil or anyone else.
:50:40. > :50:46.Back at the time of the IRA flood, as it were, the Government said no
:50:47. > :50:49.talking to terrorists. People like you who suggest talking to
:50:50. > :50:54.terrorists are themselves like terrorists. We now know they were
:50:55. > :50:58.talking to the IRA from very early stages. Obviously, Isis cannot be
:50:59. > :51:02.part of the Vienna talks at the moment, but do you think there
:51:03. > :51:07.should be a back channel, should we be talking to Isis and making some
:51:08. > :51:10.kind of contact with them? The British government maintained a
:51:11. > :51:15.channel to the IRA all through the trouble is, I don't condemn them for
:51:16. > :51:20.that. I don't condemn them for keeping the back channel to the
:51:21. > :51:27.Taliban. You have got to look at the relationship with many countries...
:51:28. > :51:32.There has got to be some route through somewhere. A lot of the
:51:33. > :51:37.commanders in Isil, particularly in Iraq, are actually former officers
:51:38. > :51:43.in the Iraqi army because we made many catastrophic mistakes, one of
:51:44. > :51:48.which was to destroy the whole Iraqi State structure in 2003. So do you
:51:49. > :51:53.think we could have a dialogue with these people? Dialogue is perhaps
:51:54. > :51:56.the wrong word. There has got to be some understanding of their strong
:51:57. > :52:01.points and weak points and how we can challenge their ideology. I
:52:02. > :52:06.believe that the neighbouring governments in the region are in
:52:07. > :52:10.touch. Look at the way in which there has been some degree at times
:52:11. > :52:16.of prisoner exchange, hostage exchange. We have got to bring about
:52:17. > :52:20.a political solution in Syria. Vienna has made a lot of progress,
:52:21. > :52:24.it has got to go a lot further and faster, there has got to be peace.
:52:25. > :52:30.But war crimes have got to be addressed. We have a new president
:52:31. > :52:33.of Argentina who said he wants to have negotiations about sovereignty
:52:34. > :52:38.and so forth over the Falklands. You have said in the past that you think
:52:39. > :52:43.such negotiations should take place and there should be a role for the
:52:44. > :52:48.Islanders. My question is should the islanders have any veto over the
:52:49. > :52:54.talks? There has got to be some discussion, it seems ridiculous that
:52:55. > :52:57.in the 21st century we would be getting into some enormous conflict
:52:58. > :53:02.with Argentina about the islands just off it. Of course the islanders
:53:03. > :53:07.have a say in this, let's bring about some sensible dialogue. An
:53:08. > :53:11.enormous say but not veto perhaps? They have got a right to stay where
:53:12. > :53:16.they are, they have got a right to decide on their own future and that
:53:17. > :53:23.would be part of it. Let's not set agendas in advance. What did you
:53:24. > :53:27.think about the original war? I thought the original war was a
:53:28. > :53:34.problem for both countries in the sense that Galtieri was a deeply
:53:35. > :53:38.unpopular dictator in Argentina. I thought President Terry of the room
:53:39. > :53:43.was trying to make enormous progress both bringing about a UN resolution
:53:44. > :53:46.to it, and then we have the disaster of the sinking of the Belgrano and
:53:47. > :53:51.the whole situation got worse as a result of that. Surely in the
:53:52. > :53:57.21st-century we can do better than going to war over these things. For
:53:58. > :53:58.now, thank you very much indeed. Now, over to Roger
:53:59. > :54:00.for the news headlines. International sanctions
:54:01. > :54:02.against Iran have been lifted, almost 40 years after
:54:03. > :54:05.they were first imposed. The development came late last
:54:06. > :54:08.night, as the UN verified that Iran had complied with demands
:54:09. > :54:10.to dismantle much The head of the UN's atomic energy
:54:11. > :54:14.watchdog is travelling to Tehran today to discuss continued
:54:15. > :54:21.nuclear monitoring. A campaign group has been set up
:54:22. > :54:23.by pro-European Conservatives to make the case for
:54:24. > :54:29.Britain to stay in the EU. The group is being led by the former
:54:30. > :54:32.minister Nick Herbert. It supports the changes to the terms
:54:33. > :54:34.of membership being negotiated The next news on BBC One
:54:35. > :54:39.is at one o'clock. First, a look at what's coming up
:54:40. > :54:51.immediately after this programme. We will be live at ten o'clock when
:54:52. > :55:00.we will be asking if crime should die with the accused, come all
:55:01. > :55:06.religions be right, and trolling on social media, do men really hate
:55:07. > :55:10.women that much? Jeremy Corbyn is still with me. I wanted to ask about
:55:11. > :55:16.Donald Trump, who has said he wants to ban Muslims from coming into
:55:17. > :55:21.America. What is your reaction to that? I think Donald Trump has some
:55:22. > :55:25.weird and frankly off the wall views. I was asked about this some
:55:26. > :55:31.time ago and I decided to invite Donald Trump on his visit to Britain
:55:32. > :55:35.to come with me to my constituency because he has problems with
:55:36. > :55:39.Mexicans and Muslims. As you know, my wife is Mexican and my
:55:40. > :55:44.constituency is very multicultural so I was going to go to the mosque
:55:45. > :55:48.with him and let him talk to people there. I'm sure he would love it.
:55:49. > :55:52.There's a debate in the Commons that he should not be allowed into this
:55:53. > :55:57.country at all, what is your view on that? I don't think we should ban
:55:58. > :56:01.people coming to Britain on that basis. He should come here and have
:56:02. > :56:05.a lesson in going to all of our cities. Why can't he go to
:56:06. > :56:11.Leicester, Birmingham or Newcastle and see that we have great diversity
:56:12. > :56:16.in our society. Take a walk around any of our cities. Understand that
:56:17. > :56:21.we have problems but we also have a great community and great cohesion.
:56:22. > :56:27.He might learn something. And you will be meeting President Obama
:56:28. > :56:31.later in the year. An interesting conversation about Trident and
:56:32. > :56:35.nuclear weapons. I'm sure we will have a fascinating conversation
:56:36. > :56:40.about lots of things. Including African-American role in the United
:56:41. > :56:47.States. I'm absolutely looking forward to. It We may not agree on
:56:48. > :56:48.everything. Do you want to come? I would be delighted to come, thank
:56:49. > :56:52.you for the invitation! Andrew Neil and the Sunday Politics
:56:53. > :56:57.have a bumper line-up in an hour, including Labour's new Shadow
:56:58. > :56:59.Defence Secretary Emily Thornberry, Join us again next Sunday when I'll
:57:00. > :57:03.be talking to the current First Minister of Scotland,
:57:04. > :57:05.SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon. Plus Hollywood hard
:57:06. > :57:07.man Harvey Keitel. Until then, we leave
:57:08. > :57:09.you with the classical From his new album, Blackbird,
:57:10. > :57:13.this is one of The Beatles'