:00:11. > :00:16.This will be, sorry everybody, a year of elections. London, Scotland,
:00:17. > :00:21.local authorities, and the small matter of the EU referendum, we
:00:22. > :00:26.suspect. This morning it is a election special. Nicola Sturgeon on
:00:27. > :00:43.David Cameron and Zac Goldsmith on Zac Goldsmith.
:00:44. > :00:49.I am joined by Scotland's First Minister, who warns the Prime
:00:50. > :00:53.Minister that an early EU referendum would be a huge mistake. And the
:00:54. > :01:04.Tory MP hoping to become London mayor. With the hideous Jimmy Savile
:01:05. > :01:09.saga still in the headlines, I am also joined by the woman charged,
:01:10. > :01:14.apparently, with keeping the BBC honest. Rona Fairhead, the chair of
:01:15. > :01:19.the BBC Trust. And we will hear from the Hollywood veteran, Harvey
:01:20. > :01:23.Keitel, on recapturing Youth with Michael Caine and Jane Fonda in a
:01:24. > :01:27.sublime at new film. Plus music from one of the most emotional and
:01:28. > :01:43.hilarious song writers of our time, John Grant. # What we've got down
:01:44. > :01:51.here is ocean. His new album is called GRey Tickles Black Pressure
:01:52. > :01:55.critical is apparently a Icelandic translation for midlife crisis. So
:01:56. > :02:01.to the papers. One, the global crash in the markets and two, the fallout
:02:02. > :02:06.from the Putin assassination story. We have Louise Cooper, the city
:02:07. > :02:08.analyst, and Russia expert, and Applebaum. First, the news.
:02:09. > :02:12.More than 85 million people in the United States have been
:02:13. > :02:14.affected by a fierce snowstorm that has brought much of the east
:02:15. > :02:18.The blizzard has dumped over a meter of snow in some places.
:02:19. > :02:21.At least 18 people have been killed and 11 states have
:02:22. > :02:31.Our Washington Correspondent Laura Bicker reports.
:02:32. > :02:37.The battle has begun. As this blizzard enters its final hours,
:02:38. > :02:41.there are attempts to try to clear up to two feet of snow from the
:02:42. > :02:46.nation's capital. In Washington, the budget has been one of the worst in
:02:47. > :02:50.the city's history, turning this famous view of the White House into
:02:51. > :02:58.a white out in 24 hours. In New York, where the snow has been worst
:02:59. > :03:02.than forecast, close try to reclaim dance-wear. All travellers banned in
:03:03. > :03:06.the city. If you drive on the roads, you will be arrested. That is to
:03:07. > :03:10.allow the officials to begin the clear up. When the snow eventually
:03:11. > :03:14.stops in the early hours of Sunday morning, that is what officials will
:03:15. > :03:17.be concentrating on. They want to get public transport back up and
:03:18. > :03:22.running but that could take some time. They have to clear up to two
:03:23. > :03:27.feet of snow from the city streets up and down the east coast. People
:03:28. > :03:34.have to heed these warnings now and immediately get home. And again, the
:03:35. > :03:39.NYPD will enforce this travel ban. 7000 flights have been delayed or
:03:40. > :03:42.cancelled, so there will be a knock-on effect at the airports.
:03:43. > :03:44.When the clean-up begins, it could take some time and it could be
:03:45. > :03:49.expensive. The Road Haulage Association has
:03:50. > :03:52.repeated its call for the French military to intervene at the Port
:03:53. > :03:55.of Calais after what it's described Yesterday evening
:03:56. > :03:58.hundreds of migrants broke Operations at the site were halted
:03:59. > :04:03.for several hours while The incident followed
:04:04. > :04:06.a demonstration in Calais in support of refugees, which attracted
:04:07. > :04:13.two thousand people. A former Labour pollster has told
:04:14. > :04:16.the BBC a report into why the party lost last year's election
:04:17. > :04:19.was a whitewash and a massive missed Deborah Mattinson -
:04:20. > :04:22.who worked with Gordon Brown and Tony Blair - says her voter
:04:23. > :04:24.research work was ignored in the review by Dame
:04:25. > :04:34.Margaret Beckett. Labour argues that the report had
:04:35. > :04:37.consulted far and wide - taking input from pollsters,
:04:38. > :04:43.pundits and academics. I feel very concerned that lessons
:04:44. > :04:47.will not be learned. That was the vehicle, that was the moment. And if
:04:48. > :04:50.this report does not address those issues, then I am not sure when they
:04:51. > :04:51.will be addressed. And you can see more on the story
:04:52. > :04:54.of Labour's election defeat, on the Sunday Politics,
:04:55. > :04:56.later on BBC One. That's
:04:57. > :04:58.all from me, for now. I'll be back with the headlines
:04:59. > :05:13.just before ten o'clock. The Mail on Sunday has a 6-year-old
:05:14. > :05:17.being groomed for jihad in British suburbia, it says. Lots more like
:05:18. > :05:22.that in the papers. A terrifying story, if true, in the express
:05:23. > :05:25.suggesting that era attacks on London, Brighton, Bath and Ipswich
:05:26. > :05:31.have been foiled after the RAF overheard pilots talking. The Sunday
:05:32. > :05:36.Mirror has got the Putin story again. The killers left of polonium
:05:37. > :05:41.trail at the embassy. Everywhere they went, they left a trail of
:05:42. > :05:44.polonium, not very clever. The Sunday Telegraph, a substantial
:05:45. > :05:46.story saying that 40 MPs have demanded a meeting with the prime
:05:47. > :05:58.minister because they are so worried that he is not getting enough in his
:05:59. > :06:02.EU normalcy -- EU negotiations. Scotland on Sunday, the Tories
:06:03. > :06:07.should cut the tax from devolved powers in Scotland. And finally, the
:06:08. > :06:10.Observer, Britain poised to open the door to thousands of migrant
:06:11. > :06:13.children through the so-called jungle camp in Calais. Jeremy Corbyn
:06:14. > :06:17.saying that Britain should let in the children from that camp.
:06:18. > :06:20.And with me to review the papers are Ann Applebaum and Louise Cooper.
:06:21. > :06:24.I said at the beginning of the programme, one of the big stories of
:06:25. > :06:30.the week has been the fallout from the Putin story. One of the oddities
:06:31. > :06:34.of the story is that it is happening now. Litvinenko was murdered nine
:06:35. > :06:38.years ago and since he has been murdered, everything we know has not
:06:39. > :06:42.changed. Nothing in the report was new. The report illustrates the
:06:43. > :06:47.ambivalence that Britain has about Russia. On one hand, imagine if
:06:48. > :06:53.Al-Qaeda brought nuclear material into central London and began
:06:54. > :06:57.poisoning people. The would be an amazing outcry. But because it was
:06:58. > :07:04.Russia, people were careful and hands-off, and it is an illustration
:07:05. > :07:09.of a deeper problem in Britain. Or even if this had happened in the
:07:10. > :07:13.1970s or 1980s, there would have been huge expulsions of diplomats
:07:14. > :07:16.and massive rows. Why the ambivalence? It is because the City
:07:17. > :07:21.of London makes so much money from Russia and so many people are
:07:22. > :07:26.connected to Russian money. Nobody wants to object to it. Why was
:07:27. > :07:30.Litvinenko here? Why are so many Russians attracted the London? It is
:07:31. > :07:34.because it is a money-laundering centre, according to one Russian
:07:35. > :07:38.today. This is because it is a place that they can keep their money
:07:39. > :07:42.privately and invest in housing. When I look at this story, all I
:07:43. > :07:48.think is, you were telling me the British Secret Service have not
:07:49. > :07:52.assassinated people in Russia? I find that these are the kinds of
:07:53. > :07:57.games they play. I would be surprised if they have assassinated
:07:58. > :08:03.people. I would be surprised if they have assassinated people using
:08:04. > :08:08.polonium. Clearly not a good idea. And they clearly did not expect
:08:09. > :08:14.that. One of the problems, to what extent could Putin go further, if he
:08:15. > :08:17.is provoked or he feels he is on the edge of losing power? This is
:08:18. > :08:23.connected to your financial story because one of the ways he stays in
:08:24. > :08:29.power is by creating crises which only he can solve, like Ukraine and
:08:30. > :08:33.Syria. The question is, if he really begins to be challenged, and the oil
:08:34. > :08:37.price falls, then maybe he will decide that oil prices need to go up
:08:38. > :08:42.and he needs to do something in the Persian Gulf or maybe he decides he
:08:43. > :08:47.needs to destabilise Britain. Or try to provoke some kind of conflict.
:08:48. > :08:50.Edward Lucas wrote a good piece in the Telegraph. He is interesting
:08:51. > :08:54.because he wrote a book about the Cold War published ten years ago,
:08:55. > :08:59.and that the time everybody thought it was ridiculous. But slowly, it
:09:00. > :09:03.comes to pass. I don't think Russia can control the oil market. One of
:09:04. > :09:08.the problems we have is that thanks to fracking, America is producing
:09:09. > :09:12.more oil. There are stocks are at record highs. You might want to do
:09:13. > :09:19.that, and his economy is in trouble, the ruble is collapsing and it is in
:09:20. > :09:24.deep recession, and the oil price is at a record low. Finally an Putin,
:09:25. > :09:31.if he is pressed against the wall, how far mighty goal in terms of
:09:32. > :09:36.Europe? -- how far mighty goal. We don't know. We know is what he
:09:37. > :09:40.practices, what he trains to do. When they do military training, they
:09:41. > :09:45.practice the invasion of the Baltic states and they practice the bombing
:09:46. > :09:56.of Poland. We now that Russian planes buzz the Swedish coast. I had
:09:57. > :10:00.no idea there was a Swedish Russian stand-off. The rows, and a Swedish
:10:01. > :10:07.desire to join NATO, which there has not been for many years. But at the
:10:08. > :10:10.same time, the only way to get to the International Space Station is
:10:11. > :10:16.the Russia. That is the ambivalence we are talking about. Less
:10:17. > :10:20.ambivalent, but we will pick that up on the world economy. Are we on the
:10:21. > :10:29.edge of falling off a cliff or not? A great piece in the people. I love
:10:30. > :10:33.the cartoon. The thing about stock markets, they predict recession but
:10:34. > :10:38.they are not always accurate. There is a great expression that says that
:10:39. > :10:41.stock markets have predicted 25 out of the last nine recessions. They
:10:42. > :10:45.tend to predict them when they do not happen. China has been growing
:10:46. > :10:49.for 25 years and we have never been in a place where it has gone into a
:10:50. > :10:52.recession when it is the second-biggest economy in the world.
:10:53. > :10:55.There is massive uncertainty and we do not know if we can even believe
:10:56. > :11:03.that the Chinese GDP figures this week. It is very uncertain. I guess
:11:04. > :11:08.the argument about being too bearish, and Niall Ferguson
:11:09. > :11:10.this in the Sunday Times, is that we are
:11:11. > :11:12.this in the Sunday Times, is that we want to buy, driverless
:11:13. > :11:18.this in the Sunday Times, is that we world economy and commodity
:11:19. > :11:21.this in the Sunday Times, is that we have gone down. Inevitably, they
:11:22. > :11:31.will bounce back up again. I remember $9 oil in 1998. We are down
:11:32. > :11:35.to the Prix boom position. -- the position before the boom. The point
:11:36. > :11:44.about turning points is that it is very difficult to save when they
:11:45. > :11:46.will go down or up. It is characterised by volatility. We
:11:47. > :11:51.don't have enough information to know but we have enough information
:11:52. > :11:54.to worry. At the moment, we have record unemployment, lower than
:11:55. > :11:59.before the crisis. All of that looks good. And there is a story in the
:12:00. > :12:08.Sunday Times about George Osborne, and you kind of deal -- a new deal
:12:09. > :12:11.on a break in certain legislation from the EU. He says he once an
:12:12. > :12:15.early referendum because he is so worried about what is going to
:12:16. > :12:20.happen with the economy later in the year. At that point, the political
:12:21. > :12:24.class loses control. And that is the difficulty with a referendum. It is
:12:25. > :12:28.very unlikely that the EU referendum will be a referendum on the EU, it
:12:29. > :12:33.will be a referendum on how people in Britain feel about the outside
:12:34. > :12:35.world. If the world looks scary and frightening, people will vote
:12:36. > :12:40.against. And an extent to which the political class has a real grip on
:12:41. > :12:44.these movements around the world. It was a good piece in the Observer on
:12:45. > :12:50.the effect on London of the super-rich. This is connected to
:12:51. > :12:53.what we said before. Central London has been colonised by the very rich
:12:54. > :12:57.and that has been true for many years, but it is the intensity of it
:12:58. > :13:02.and the degree to which prices are driven up all over the place. Of
:13:03. > :13:08.course, it is remarkable. What is amazing is that no political party
:13:09. > :13:11.as yet tried to capitalise. None of the mayoral candidates. We are very
:13:12. > :13:17.worried about migrants, puree migrants, but what about the
:13:18. > :13:22.super-rich? -- poor migrants. This is a report that accuses the
:13:23. > :13:25.political elite of being the servants to the super-rich. If you
:13:26. > :13:31.think about the number of businesses that spin off from this phenomenon,
:13:32. > :13:36.art dealers, concierges, drivers, real estate, it is a lot of people.
:13:37. > :13:39.The property industry, I was at a panel with them and clearly they
:13:40. > :13:45.feel it is marvellous that we have a lot of foreign buyers in London, and
:13:46. > :13:50.one of them said, we can have jobs because we look after their houses
:13:51. > :13:55.when they are away. I said, the British economies cannot be based on
:13:56. > :13:58.housemaids and decorators to rich Londoners. And it also means that
:13:59. > :14:02.young people cannot afford to live in London and many things do not
:14:03. > :14:06.come here because of that. I think that is a long-term threat to the
:14:07. > :14:09.London economy, which is a bit of a powerhouse for the country. We're
:14:10. > :14:13.talking about how much local politicians, as it were, have to
:14:14. > :14:22.control global financial stories. And this story is Google and the
:14:23. > :14:26.deal for ?130 million in back taxes. And this has been in pretty much
:14:27. > :14:30.every paper. The left-wing papers are criticising it, saying it is not
:14:31. > :14:35.enough, but interestingly, the right wing papers are saying the same.
:14:36. > :14:39.Labour are talking on the National Audit Office to investigate this
:14:40. > :14:43.agreement to pay ?130 million in back taxes. One paper has said, we
:14:44. > :14:49.have looked at the numbers and that only looks like a 2.6 Corporation --
:14:50. > :14:53.2.6% corporation tax rate, not bad if you can negotiate it. The bigger
:14:54. > :14:58.picture is that Apple is negotiating with EE you over back taxes in
:14:59. > :15:03.Ireland. And that, according to some city analysts, to be billions. And
:15:04. > :15:10.it will make this look particularly ridiculous. -- with the EU. Nicola
:15:11. > :15:13.Sturgeon said the crucial thing here was transparency, that we need to
:15:14. > :15:15.see in detail how those negotiations went and how this figure was agreed
:15:16. > :15:30.between the Treasury and Google. You mentioned Labour, there is a lot
:15:31. > :15:34.of Labour in the papers again today. Deborah Mattinson has blasted this
:15:35. > :15:44.review, and that looks to me like the Mail on Sunday. This is kind of
:15:45. > :15:47.unsurprising dog bites man story. The Labour Party published in
:15:48. > :15:51.official report about why they lost the election, then a private report
:15:52. > :15:55.says something different. I would be surprised if any political party
:15:56. > :16:02.wouldn't do the same. The interesting question now is what
:16:03. > :16:06.were the issues that Labour missed? Is Jeremy Corbyn fit to address
:16:07. > :16:11.them? The issues we have just been talking about for the last five
:16:12. > :16:15.minutes are there. The tax and global corporations, the hollowing
:16:16. > :16:20.out of London... These are real issues people care about and I
:16:21. > :16:27.didn't hear Labour mobilising them in the last election campaign. One
:16:28. > :16:32.other story you picked out was about faith schools, nagging pain. Nagging
:16:33. > :16:36.pain, especially for those wanting to get their children into school.
:16:37. > :16:45.Faith schools to be protected from secular campaigners, who want to ban
:16:46. > :16:49.section of people based on religion. I believe faith schools should be
:16:50. > :16:54.banned and we should be secular education. My children have gone to
:16:55. > :17:00.a great school to be fair, but 50% of the places go to church of
:17:01. > :17:03.England regulars. I am discriminated against and my children are
:17:04. > :17:09.discriminated against because we don't play the go into the church
:17:10. > :17:12.game, which many parents do. On that provocative note, our time is up.
:17:13. > :17:16.Quite mild here but as you may have noticed from the news,
:17:17. > :17:19.all of the east coast of America has been closed by snow.
:17:20. > :17:21.Presidential contender Donald Trump has already blamed Muslims,
:17:22. > :17:24.that is quite clearly Islamic snow, but Obama's done nothing about it,
:17:25. > :17:26.and before you tweet this it's possible I'm lying.
:17:27. > :17:32.Alex Deakin is in the weather studio.
:17:33. > :17:38.You are definitely not lying about the storm and I can prove that
:17:39. > :17:43.because here it is on the satellite picture, now clearing away from the
:17:44. > :17:50.eastern side of the United States. Before it arrives on our shores, it
:17:51. > :17:55.will bring wet and windy weather. Temperatures are really quite high
:17:56. > :17:59.for the time of year. Lots of fog sitting over the hills. More
:18:00. > :18:05.persistent rain across parts of Scotland but that is clearing away.
:18:06. > :18:10.Overall it is a dry, cloudy day but some breaks in the cloud. We could
:18:11. > :18:18.see some hints of sunshine, even where it is cloudy, 13, 14. In the
:18:19. > :18:25.sunshine, 16 degrees as possible. Clearer skies over England and Wales
:18:26. > :18:30.tonight. Tomorrow morning, Monday morning, no excuses for the weather
:18:31. > :18:35.for getting out of bed because it really will be mild. Patchy rain for
:18:36. > :18:40.England and Wales, more persistent rain coming into the north-west
:18:41. > :18:46.later on. That storm system clearing away from the United States, by the
:18:47. > :18:49.time it gets to England, all of the snow has been sucked out of it.
:18:50. > :18:53.Many thanks for that. Now, before David Cameron made
:18:54. > :18:55.it to Downing Street, the Tories had an election-winner
:18:56. > :18:56.in Boris Johnson, who's coming to the end of two
:18:57. > :18:59.terms as London Mayor, and the party's proposed replacement
:19:00. > :19:02.is another old etonian who's pursued his own highly
:19:03. > :19:04.independent line on issues such as the environment and
:19:05. > :19:06.the expansion of Heathrow. Can Zac Goldsmith hold
:19:07. > :19:22.the capital for his party? Are you a Eurosceptic? Yes, I've
:19:23. > :19:25.always been a Eurosceptic. I believe the European institutions are
:19:26. > :19:28.profoundly undemocratic, unaccountable and far too
:19:29. > :19:32.centralised. I would like to see exactly the promise that was in the
:19:33. > :19:39.manifesto on which I stood, I'd like to see the Prime Minister delivering
:19:40. > :19:43.meaningful reforms so that the Eurosceptic... Not head-bangers, I
:19:44. > :19:47.wouldn't describe myself as a head-banger on this issue, I would
:19:48. > :19:51.like to see a meaningful reform package so that people like myself
:19:52. > :19:57.could vote to stay in. I wish him well, it is not the job I envy. Liam
:19:58. > :20:01.Fox is talking about the Prime Minister going around Europe with a
:20:02. > :20:06.begging bowl, do you think that is accurate? He is in the middle of a
:20:07. > :20:12.very intense negotiation. If he succeeds it will benefit the whole
:20:13. > :20:16.of Europe, not just the UK. It is a very tough job, I think he is doing
:20:17. > :20:22.as good a job as he is able to do at the moment but it is tough and when
:20:23. > :20:25.he comes back people like me... And the beautiful thing about the
:20:26. > :20:28.referendum is that it takes it out of the hands of the Prime Minister
:20:29. > :20:33.and gives it to the people, they will take a view. So you genuinely
:20:34. > :20:41.don't know how you will vote at the moment? No, because as a courtesy to
:20:42. > :20:46.the Prime Minister I want to judge the final offer as a whole, and I
:20:47. > :20:50.will take a view based on the national interest, I could be
:20:51. > :20:54.persuaded either way. I once meaningful reform but at the same
:20:55. > :20:59.time that's what I'm hoping the Prime Minister will achieve. Michael
:21:00. > :21:05.Howard said he doesn't think it is likely we will get meaningful
:21:06. > :21:09.reform, do you agree? I don't want to pre-empt it, it is tough. Every
:21:10. > :21:14.newspaper has a different take on what he will bring back, I don't
:21:15. > :21:18.know, I'm not part of those reforms. I wish him well. I hope he has put
:21:19. > :21:24.the bar sufficiently high to be able to persuade people that is in our
:21:25. > :21:27.interests. As Mayor of London, if that happens, you will be in charge
:21:28. > :21:32.of the city with massive effect on the British economy. Goldman Sachs
:21:33. > :21:37.has already paid a lot of money towards the end campaign at the
:21:38. > :21:41.moment so you could find yourself potentially in confrontation of some
:21:42. > :21:47.of your biggest financial constituents. I don't believe
:21:48. > :21:51.business speaks with one voice on this issue. The Federation of Small
:21:52. > :21:55.Businesses the Chamber of Commerce, the CBI all take different views.
:21:56. > :22:00.Big business tends to be more likely to want to stay in, small businesses
:22:01. > :22:05.are more likely to want to come out but business doesn't speak with one
:22:06. > :22:09.voice. There have been suggestions by Goldman Sachs and spokesmen from
:22:10. > :22:12.other companies that the city has jitters over the referendum itself
:22:13. > :22:19.but the referendum will happen whether we like it or not. I think
:22:20. > :22:24.it is a very good thing. Nobody has been asked their opinion since I was
:22:25. > :22:30.born. It is happening so we have got to deal with that. It is important
:22:31. > :22:33.that whatever we decide, it has a democratic mandate, something that
:22:34. > :22:37.is deeply lacking in the project at the moment. You will have heard
:22:38. > :22:43.possibly in the paper review we were talking about the effect on London
:22:44. > :22:48.of big money pouring in. A report suggesting the London political
:22:49. > :22:51.elite are the ushers for the super-rich and there is a lot of
:22:52. > :22:57.money-laundering going on, what kind of Mayor Will you be in that regard?
:22:58. > :23:03.You don't want to turn the taps off on overseas investment in London.
:23:04. > :23:08.London has boomed for the last eight years. There is a problem that even
:23:09. > :23:13.though people can see the success in London, they can see the building
:23:14. > :23:19.being built... But they cannot afford to live there. That's the
:23:20. > :23:24.problem, too many people feel they have been priced out of their own
:23:25. > :23:28.city. Even if you earn double the average London salary, you will not
:23:29. > :23:33.be able to afford to buy a home in London. That is an economic crisis
:23:34. > :23:37.and that must define the next mayor and probably the one after that as
:23:38. > :23:42.well. The challenge is taking that extraordinary success story that is
:23:43. > :23:47.Boris Johnson and turning it into something that translates into
:23:48. > :23:53.people's lives. Two weeks ago David Cameron was talking about
:23:54. > :23:57.demolishing the big London Estates, my question to you is can you
:23:58. > :24:03.guarantee that for every council house that is demolished, that there
:24:04. > :24:15.will be at least one put back at the same kind of rent? I am very excited
:24:16. > :24:20.by the agenda... Yes or no? I have made it clear that I want to see the
:24:21. > :24:24.dilapidated poorly designed Estates from the 1950s regenerated, with a
:24:25. > :24:29.commitment, first that the communities have got to agree.
:24:30. > :24:32.Otherwise I would not want to progress with that. And that
:24:33. > :24:40.everyone who lives in those states would be able to return to a new
:24:41. > :24:42.home at no extra cost. So there will be enough social housing to replace
:24:43. > :24:49.the social housing being knocked down? No one would be required to
:24:50. > :24:55.leave their home, and I know that's possible... Have you spoken to the
:24:56. > :25:00.Prime Minister about this? I am hoping to be mayor, then I can write
:25:01. > :25:04.this into the London plan but he has the capacity to transform London. A
:25:05. > :25:12.lot of your party talk about affordable housing, what exactly is
:25:13. > :25:17.that? Legally, it is a 20% discount, but in the real world a 20% discount
:25:18. > :25:27.on a home in Primrose Hill is not affordable. The average house price
:25:28. > :25:32.in London is over ?400,000. That's exactly the point so a legal
:25:33. > :25:37.definition is not all that helpful. For someone on an average London
:25:38. > :25:42.salary who cannot afford an average price home in London, neither can
:25:43. > :25:48.they afford a social home, a social home for which they will never
:25:49. > :25:53.qualify is as unattainable as Roman Abramovich's mansion in Chelsea. You
:25:54. > :25:56.have got to build for people across the income spectrum. If you don't,
:25:57. > :26:09.we will not resolve the housing crisis in London. For London at the
:26:10. > :26:12.moment, we could get rid of one old Etonian and replaced him with
:26:13. > :26:20.another, what does that say about social division? I would never hide
:26:21. > :26:25.from my background. I have never shied away from the fact I was dealt
:26:26. > :26:30.a very good hand in life but equally my record shows I have, at every
:26:31. > :26:36.single moment of my adult life, sought to play that hand while. I
:26:37. > :26:42.have campaigned against injustice, as a backbench MP I have held my
:26:43. > :26:50.government to account, and you can see that my constituency has become
:26:51. > :26:56.a very safe Conservative seat. And you have called him divisive and
:26:57. > :27:02.radical, is that code for Muslim? We have seen this extraordinary
:27:03. > :27:07.revolution in Labour, we had somebody last week talking about
:27:08. > :27:11.wildcat strikes for London, there is an extraordinary radical proposal
:27:12. > :27:16.that Labour is putting forward and Sadiq Khan as an architect of that.
:27:17. > :27:18.To describe him and his party as radical is a no-brainer. Thank you
:27:19. > :27:21.for joining us. In his Hollywood career,
:27:22. > :27:23.Harvey Keitel has worked with some truly great directors such
:27:24. > :27:25.as Scorsese and Tarantino. He almost worked with Kubrick
:27:26. > :27:28.and Coppola but fell out Perfect preparation then
:27:29. > :27:30.for his latest movie in which he plays a feisty
:27:31. > :27:33.American film director who, at the end of his career,
:27:34. > :27:36.is hoping for one last hit I spoke to Keitel recently
:27:37. > :27:39.about the new film, Youth, which I can for once
:27:40. > :27:41.honestly say is fantastic, in which he and Michael Caine play
:27:42. > :27:44.old friends coping with old age and the eternal
:27:45. > :27:59.torments of the heart. It's a thriller, it's
:28:00. > :28:03.an exciting movie. The music is phenomenal -
:28:04. > :28:05.the lyrics and music were composed by David Lang,
:28:06. > :28:10.something extraordinary. Now listen, do you see that
:28:11. > :28:14.mountain over there? This is what you see
:28:15. > :28:20.when you're young. And that's what you
:28:21. > :28:33.see when you're old. It seems to me, in the end it's
:28:34. > :28:46.a film about the kind of mystery and confusion about
:28:47. > :28:48.simply being alive. It's a film about being alive,
:28:49. > :28:51.it seems to me, but it's also about ageing, about male friendship
:28:52. > :28:53.as well, these kind things. It's quite specific
:28:54. > :28:55.about the problems of ageing Why is it called Youth
:28:56. > :28:59.to start with, in your view? You heard me, 60 years ago you swore
:29:00. > :29:05.you'd never slept with her out The real tragedy, and believe me,
:29:06. > :29:20.it really is a tragedy, is that I can't even remember
:29:21. > :29:26.if I slept with Gilda Black. Why was Reservoir Dogs
:29:27. > :29:32.called Reservoir Dogs? It has no meaning for
:29:33. > :29:39.Quentin whatsoever! It was like Kodak,
:29:40. > :29:41.it was just a good phrase. So, how important in your life was,
:29:42. > :29:47.for instance, Taxi Driver, You're right, it was a breakthrough
:29:48. > :29:55.moment for me in many ways in terms of becoming an actor,
:29:56. > :29:58.and I was stretching. Martin Scorsese had asked me to play
:29:59. > :30:01.the campaign worker in that film, which Albert Brooks played,
:30:02. > :30:04.and I asked him to let me He said to me, "Harvey,
:30:05. > :30:25.the pimp only has five lines," at the time, before
:30:26. > :30:27.you saw the movie. He was described as an Italian guy
:30:28. > :30:37.stands in a doorway, So everything you saw I got
:30:38. > :30:41.from the environment I lived I lived in Hell's
:30:42. > :30:44.Kitchen in New York. I used to walk home
:30:45. > :30:47.through the pimps and the girls So you have these great directors
:30:48. > :30:59.and friends who have been very important in your career but you've
:31:00. > :31:02.also not got on so well What was the problem
:31:03. > :31:05.with Kubrick and Eyes Wide Shut? Mr Kubrick did some things
:31:06. > :31:08.I objected to. I didn't like it, I thought
:31:09. > :31:11.it was disrespectful and I won't be And if any actor can help it,
:31:12. > :31:15.they should help it. You don't want to get
:31:16. > :31:17.fired, but I was. OK, so this was obviously
:31:18. > :31:31.an immense project, Youth. One of the weird things about Youth,
:31:32. > :31:34.as somebody watching the film, is the number of people popping up,
:31:35. > :31:37.you get Paloma Faith suddenly appears, you get Maradona,
:31:38. > :31:39.not looking his greatest I have to say, and you get Jane Fonda
:31:40. > :31:42.who appears as this great muse I don't owe anybody
:31:43. > :31:47.anything, I did it myself. And gives him the most withering
:31:48. > :31:50.treatment right at the end of the film, that must have been
:31:51. > :31:54.an extraordinary scene to do. The entire script was
:31:55. > :31:56.extraordinary for me to do. It was kind of story
:31:57. > :32:02.you look for in a novel. he gave me a lot of freedom,
:32:03. > :32:22.and that was something I needed. And how about your off-screen
:32:23. > :32:35.relationship with Michael Caine? Because the two of you on screen
:32:36. > :32:38.have this fantastic, warm, but slightly
:32:39. > :32:45.barbed friendship. People keep thinking and Michael
:32:46. > :32:48.keeps saying we didn't know each other, but when we met we discovered
:32:49. > :32:51.he was in the British Army, I was in the American Marines,
:32:52. > :32:54.probably two of the rare actors that We used the language of the bond,
:32:55. > :33:03.which I can't share Mr Keitel, thank you very
:33:04. > :33:08.much for joining us. Now, if the nationalists had won
:33:09. > :33:17.the 2014 referendum in Scotland, their plan was for the country
:33:18. > :33:19.to become fully independent exactly They lost of course,
:33:20. > :33:24.yet swept the board at last year's general election, and hope to win
:33:25. > :33:27.a third term in power in Scotland Yesterday I spoke to the SNP leader
:33:28. > :33:36.and First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon, I began by asking about one
:33:37. > :33:39.of the most challenging issues facing her government -
:33:40. > :33:42.the crisis in the North Sea oil So what can she do about it?
:33:43. > :34:04.are being scrapped, So what can she do about it?
:34:05. > :34:07.the headline date of tax that companies pay. But I think there is
:34:08. > :34:11.work that the Scottish Government and the UK Government can do
:34:12. > :34:14.together to support the local infrastructure in Aberdeen. The oil
:34:15. > :34:18.and gas sector in the North Sea has a strong future if we do the right
:34:19. > :34:21.things but we have to make sure that the infrastructure of Aberdeen is
:34:22. > :34:25.right to support that sector over the next few years, as well as
:34:26. > :34:30.diverse versification. At the referendum, the Scottish Government
:34:31. > :34:35.predicted up to a ?7.9 billion revenue from North Sea oil and gas
:34:36. > :34:39.to the Scottish Government, which is now a 13th of that. A huge hole in
:34:40. > :34:44.the revenues. How does that change your thinking? Of the projections
:34:45. > :34:50.are that the Scottish Government made was in line with all the
:34:51. > :34:53.external advice. I remember David Cameron in the final few months of
:34:54. > :35:01.the referendum campaign saying vote no for an oil bonanza. We have been
:35:02. > :35:06.given the difficulties with oil and gas. We have to remember the real
:35:07. > :35:11.strengths of the Scottish economy, notwithstanding the difficulties we
:35:12. > :35:17.are seeing in the North Sea. We have higher employment in Scotland than
:35:18. > :35:21.other parts of the UK right now. We have had three years of continuous
:35:22. > :35:23.economic growth, the longest continuous periods in the lifetime
:35:24. > :35:28.of the Scottish Parliament. Employment levels at record highs,
:35:29. > :35:35.higher than the prerecession peak. If you knew that ?7 billion of
:35:36. > :35:39.revenue, that has to be made up somehow. How are you going to make
:35:40. > :35:45.it up? Our growth in onshore revenue over the next few years is expected
:35:46. > :35:49.to outstrip the decline in the offshore revenues. Even the most
:35:50. > :35:54.pessimistic projections will fall every year over the rest of the
:35:55. > :36:00.decade. It is a point that is often lost, the case for independence. I
:36:01. > :36:04.take some responsibility for not getting this argument across during
:36:05. > :36:07.the referendum campaign. The case for Scotland as a strong,
:36:08. > :36:12.independent country was never based on oil. Nonetheless, you were
:36:13. > :36:18.talking about a second oil boom, which has not exactly happened. What
:36:19. > :36:21.I'm saying is our projections were not out of line with external
:36:22. > :36:25.projections. Let's hear more about what the UK Government that wanted
:36:26. > :36:29.to keep believers that affect the North Sea in their hands, what they
:36:30. > :36:33.are going to do. I hope that in the next few days we hear positive news
:36:34. > :36:37.about support for the North Sea and the deal for Aberdeen. Speaking of
:36:38. > :36:40.David Cameron, you have been negotiating with him about the
:36:41. > :36:47.Scotland Bill and greater powers for Scotland. I was that going? The new
:36:48. > :36:51.powers in the Scotland Bill do not go anywhere near as far as I would
:36:52. > :36:54.like. I do not think they go as far as was promised during the
:36:55. > :36:59.referendum campaign but they are powers that I would rather have then
:37:00. > :37:02.not have. In parallel, we are negotiating the fiscal framework
:37:03. > :37:07.that goes around that. I much money you have got. To take into account
:37:08. > :37:11.the new tax and spending powers. These negotiations are ongoing. If
:37:12. > :37:16.we are going to get these new powers in place, the negotiation has got to
:37:17. > :37:21.conclude by the middle of February. Time is short. The clock is ticking.
:37:22. > :37:25.And there is a long distance still to travel. The Scottish Government
:37:26. > :37:29.will be busting a gut to try to get a deal. We will need to see more
:37:30. > :37:30.movement, significantly more movement from the UK Government than
:37:31. > :37:50.we have seen so far. If we do not get that, I will not
:37:51. > :37:53.sign up to something that is unfair to Scotland. I am not asking for
:37:54. > :37:55.special favours or special treatment, I am simply asking for
:37:56. > :37:57.fairness. I will not agree to something that does not deliver
:37:58. > :38:00.that. David Cameron should be under no illusions about that. Another big
:38:01. > :38:03.political events could be the EU referendum. If the country votes to
:38:04. > :38:08.leave the EU, if we get a break set, with that trigger a further Scottish
:38:09. > :38:11.independence referendum. -- a Brexit. If Scotland faces being
:38:12. > :38:18.taken out of the EU when we do not want to be, I think it is highly
:38:19. > :38:21.likely that would trigger an overwhelming demand for a second
:38:22. > :38:26.Scottish referendum on independence. The Democratic outrage has been
:38:27. > :38:30.taken out of Europe -- of being taken out of Europe against our will
:38:31. > :38:34.would make that inevitable. If we do votes to leave, there will be lots
:38:35. > :38:39.of questions about what happens next, negotiations and staff to sort
:38:40. > :38:43.out. In that period, we could have a Scottish referendum? That would be
:38:44. > :38:50.bringing in political meltdown in terms of our institutions. I do not
:38:51. > :38:53.want that situation to arise. I am not taking a Machiavellian view
:38:54. > :38:58.about this where I want to engineer that scenario because it would lead
:38:59. > :39:02.to a second independence referendum. I will argue for Scotland to votes
:39:03. > :39:06.to stay in the EU and I will argue, if people in the UK care to listen,
:39:07. > :39:11.I will argue that the UK as a whole should vote to stay in the EU. It is
:39:12. > :39:16.suggested that David Cameron wants to hold the referendum on June the
:39:17. > :39:21.23rd. Is that a problem for the SNP? It would be a mistake for David
:39:22. > :39:25.Cameron. The Foreign Secretary was injured last week and I said the
:39:26. > :39:32.same to him directly. Two reasons I will not be in fear -- in favour of
:39:33. > :39:39.a June referendum, it might be deemed as selfish, but the Scottish
:39:40. > :39:43.election is in May. I think to have a referendum campaign starting in
:39:44. > :39:48.parallel would be disrespectful to those elections. You still have
:39:49. > :39:51.seven weeks after it. But given the statutory campaign period, you would
:39:52. > :39:55.undoubtedly start to confuse those issues. The second reason, I think
:39:56. > :40:01.it would be better for David Cameron to leave more time between if he
:40:02. > :40:04.gets a deal at the February European Council, to leave more time between
:40:05. > :40:09.that deal at the point of the decision. One of the problems I see
:40:10. > :40:13.for the in campaign is that as far as David Cameron is concerned, it is
:40:14. > :40:17.very focused on these narrow issues of free negotiation when in actual
:40:18. > :40:22.fact, if the campaign is going to fail, this will have to become a
:40:23. > :40:26.positive, principled campaign about why it is better for the UK to stay
:40:27. > :40:32.within the European Union. It needs to become a yes campaign. While
:40:33. > :40:36.there are differences between the Scottish campaign and a European
:40:37. > :40:40.referendum, there are definitely analogies. If the in campaign
:40:41. > :40:45.behaves the way the no campaign behaved during the referendum, I
:40:46. > :40:48.fear that they will lose. The two campaigns started miles apart in the
:40:49. > :40:55.polls in Scotland, and we had a negative... You call that project
:40:56. > :40:59.fear. They almost lost because of that negative campaign. In the
:41:00. > :41:03.referendum, the two campaigns are much closer to start with and if the
:41:04. > :41:07.in campaign falls into the trap of the no campaign, I feel it will
:41:08. > :41:11.lose. Many people looking at the electoral system across the UK think
:41:12. > :41:15.it is almost impossible for Labour to win the next election with a
:41:16. > :41:19.majority at Westminster. One way through that might be some grand
:41:20. > :41:23.alliance with the SNP, if the Labour Party came to you and said that we
:41:24. > :41:28.have genuinely gone through a change of heart, a change of soul, and we
:41:29. > :41:32.are genuinely like in favour of Scottish home rule, is there any
:41:33. > :41:37.kind of negotiation you could have? -- genuinely in favour. Before the
:41:38. > :41:41.election, the SNP said we wanted to be part of a Progressive Alliance
:41:42. > :41:45.and it was Ed Miliband who turned his back on that. I think he could
:41:46. > :41:50.have done better if they had handled that issue differently. But if there
:41:51. > :41:55.was a change of heart? I don't think Labour is credible in any sense at
:41:56. > :42:02.this point but I don't think that is for me to sort out. But they agree
:42:03. > :42:08.with you a lot of issues including austerity and taxation. All of those
:42:09. > :42:11.agendas, but not Trident. I wonder what you made of the suggestion that
:42:12. > :42:15.you could keep Trident submarines but not have nuclear missiles on
:42:16. > :42:20.them. I think it was ridiculous and it was a sign of just how torturous
:42:21. > :42:25.these debates within the Labour Party are becoming. I agree with
:42:26. > :42:28.Jeremy Corbyn, I am not in favour of the renewal of Trident. We might
:42:29. > :42:31.have a vote on that in the House of Commons sooner rather than later and
:42:32. > :42:35.I think the challenge to Jeremy Corbyn is, can he get his party into
:42:36. > :42:40.the position he wants them to be in so that we can have any chance at
:42:41. > :42:44.all of stopping the renewal of Trident. For Labour to sit on the
:42:45. > :42:48.fence on this issue or have a free vote on this issue will leave them
:42:49. > :42:52.without a shred of credibility. On this issue, I hope Jeremy Corbyn can
:42:53. > :42:57.stamp his authority on his party and do so quickly. There are lots of
:42:58. > :43:01.Scottish issues we could talk about. One of the things that causes
:43:02. > :43:05.controversy is the closure of the Forth Road Bridge for so long. There
:43:06. > :43:10.was originally rolling maintenance and repairs and it was taken away
:43:11. > :43:14.and moved to other departments. That was a bad mistake, wasn't it? All of
:43:15. > :43:21.the essential maintenance that was required to be done was done, and
:43:22. > :43:24.the disrepair, the problem with the bridge, and there is a Parliamentary
:43:25. > :43:28.enquiry into this right now that is ongoing, but the problem that
:43:29. > :43:32.occurred on the Forth Road Bridge was something that was unforeseen
:43:33. > :43:35.and unforeseeable. There are engineers that say it was not on the
:43:36. > :43:42.receivable and that it was not unforeseen. -- it was not
:43:43. > :43:45.unforeseeable. There is nothing that was proposed to be done to the Forth
:43:46. > :43:55.Road Bridge that was not done because of budgetary issues. The key
:43:56. > :43:59.thing of importance, that the travelling public should be aware
:44:00. > :44:02.of, is that that bridge was fixed thanks to engineers performing
:44:03. > :44:06.heroics over the pre-Christmas period, sometimes with difficult
:44:07. > :44:10.weather conditions. As we speak right now, cars are trundling across
:44:11. > :44:17.the bridge in both directions and hopefully HDV will be before long.
:44:18. > :44:22.Something that has entertained the country greatly has been the passage
:44:23. > :44:27.of arms between Alex Salmond and Donald Trump. Should he be banned
:44:28. > :44:31.from Scotland? That is not my decision, perhaps thankfully. As
:44:32. > :44:39.First Minister, I took the decision of taking away the status of global
:44:40. > :44:43.Scott that we have given him, asking him to promote the country overseas.
:44:44. > :44:50.It is not politic for a head of government in one country to pass
:44:51. > :44:53.comment on an election in another country. I have every confidence
:44:54. > :44:59.that the good sense of the American people will prevail on the question
:45:00. > :45:03.of Donald Trump. Finally, I will be talking to Rona Fairhead, the chair
:45:04. > :45:07.of the BBC Trust, on this programme, and I know the SNP's views on the
:45:08. > :45:16.future of broadcasting is interesting, what is your statement
:45:17. > :45:20.to her? If you look at the most recent audience Council figures,
:45:21. > :45:26.something like 65% of people outside of Scotland thought that BBC news
:45:27. > :45:32.and current affair is reflected their life. The figure was less in
:45:33. > :45:36.Scotland. We have put forward a proposal that the BBC should have a
:45:37. > :45:39.more federal structure with more platforms and programming in
:45:40. > :45:43.Scotland. You have suggested a specific Scottish channel?
:45:44. > :45:47.Absolutely. And I think that BBC Scotland would agree with that as
:45:48. > :45:50.well. These are proposals we put forward constructively, as part of
:45:51. > :45:55.the Charter renewal debate and I hope that the BBC and the BBC Trust
:45:56. > :45:58.will listen to those proposals carefully. I think the BBC is an
:45:59. > :46:03.institution that we should protect and that we should support. But I
:46:04. > :46:09.also think the people in BBC Scotland have a right to see the BBC
:46:10. > :46:12.reflect life in Scotland better than it has done perhaps in the past.
:46:13. > :46:15.Nicholas Dudgeon, First Minister, thanks for talking to us. -- Nicola
:46:16. > :46:19.Sturgeon. And so to the chair of the BBC
:46:20. > :46:21.Trust, Rona Fairhead. 2016 is a big year for the BBC -
:46:22. > :46:25.as negotiations get under way The Government has made clear it
:46:26. > :46:29.expects the BBC to be managed more efficiently,
:46:30. > :46:31.and to focus on its core role as a public service broadcaster,
:46:32. > :46:33.and we'll discuss that. Plus, the damage to the BBC,
:46:34. > :46:36.caused by the revelations about one its former stars,
:46:37. > :46:45.Jimmy Savile. You heard Nicola Sturgeon, something
:46:46. > :46:52.big will have to change in Scotland, will it not? I think the licence fee
:46:53. > :46:56.payers have been very clear they want more portrayal, more
:46:57. > :47:01.representation, not just in Scotland, across the nations and
:47:02. > :47:07.regions. Does that mean more investment in Scotland in specific
:47:08. > :47:12.terms? It means more work has been pushed out, BBC was very London
:47:13. > :47:18.centric, now more than 50% is outside of London, that's a good
:47:19. > :47:21.direction of travel. Moore is produced in Scotland, Wales, Salford
:47:22. > :47:26.and around the country. What we need now is to make sure that
:47:27. > :47:31.sustainable, but people can look at their screens and see themselves,
:47:32. > :47:36.whether they are Scottish, from a particular age group or ethnic
:47:37. > :47:41.group. What about a Scottish channel? We are looking at all
:47:42. > :47:47.options right now. The important thing is the people of Scotland feel
:47:48. > :47:53.they are portrayed. Which they clearly don't enough at the moment.
:47:54. > :47:59.No, the statistics say something has got to be done to improve that. Yes,
:48:00. > :48:04.we have got to improve that, however one of the glories of the BBC is
:48:05. > :48:11.that it reaches across the UK. It allows the UK to come together. The
:48:12. > :48:22.Scots watch Sherlock, enjoy it even though it's made in Wales, similarly
:48:23. > :48:26.the Welsh love Shetland. Almost 90% of the Scottish people watch
:48:27. > :48:32.channels that are across the country. So we are now on to what
:48:33. > :48:35.the BBC should be through the charter renewal process. Do you
:48:36. > :48:39.think it will emerge from this process is a radically different
:48:40. > :48:45.organisation? I believe it will be an improved organisation, but not
:48:46. > :48:50.radically changed. We have done a huge amount of work with the public,
:48:51. > :48:55.they are very clear, extraordinary support for the BBC. They want it to
:48:56. > :49:01.be broadly as it is, in fact 60% would want it to do more versus 10%
:49:02. > :49:08.wanting it to do less. It is not perfect but the public are very
:49:09. > :49:13.clear that they like the BBC, they wanted to inform, educate and
:49:14. > :49:20.entertain but they also want to have some things change and they are very
:49:21. > :49:30.clear what -- about what they are. They wanted to be independent...
:49:31. > :49:34.These sound very change. -- very vague, I'm interested in specific
:49:35. > :49:48.things. For instance is the music channel safe? People who watch
:49:49. > :49:52.programmes... Is it a yes or no. Everything is being looked at, it is
:49:53. > :49:58.a tough settlement but the executive will work out what it is they need
:49:59. > :50:02.to cut, the efficiencies... The priority will be on making sure the
:50:03. > :50:06.programmes, the stations people listen to will be protected as much
:50:07. > :50:14.as possible and I cannot say that anything is off table. So there will
:50:15. > :50:18.be further cuts? We have been very clear from the start that everything
:50:19. > :50:22.will be done to improve efficiency but it is likely that some
:50:23. > :50:26.programmes and potentially some services will be affected. That's
:50:27. > :50:32.the nature of what has to be done but the priority will be making sure
:50:33. > :50:37.that the programmes the public love, the sports, the news will remain
:50:38. > :50:45.strong because the BBC is paid for by the public, that is what they
:50:46. > :50:53.want. The Savile report, there has been a leak of it, more than 60
:50:54. > :50:56.attacks by Savile including four rapes, horrible things going on
:50:57. > :51:01.behind the scenes, an appalling story... I know it is in the past,
:51:02. > :51:07.but it shows the BBC in a very bad light indeed. Yes, I am horrified.
:51:08. > :51:12.These appalling behaviours that were allowed to pass on checked. The
:51:13. > :51:21.victims have suffered so much, incredibly traumatic. We failed as
:51:22. > :51:28.an institution, did we not? We failed, the BBC needed to do better.
:51:29. > :51:32.You have got to admire the courage to come forward. Only people do that
:51:33. > :51:37.can they understand what happened and learn the lessons. The BBC has
:51:38. > :51:42.changed its culture and its processes, and this is one thing I
:51:43. > :51:46.can say to you and it is really important - if Dame Janet Smith
:51:47. > :51:50.comes with any further changes that are needed, they will be done. I
:51:51. > :51:55.stand in front of you to say the trust will ensure the management
:51:56. > :52:00.seat is held to the fire to make sure those changes are implemented
:52:01. > :52:06.and as quickly as possible. Dame Janet Smith says she thinks it's
:52:07. > :52:12.possible there could be someone in the BBC now, abusing and bullying
:52:13. > :52:16.people. I would hang on there. You are talking about a leak of an
:52:17. > :52:22.earlier release of the report. Out of respect of the victims, we have
:52:23. > :52:27.got to wait until the formal report is published. Dame Janet Smith, a
:52:28. > :52:31.very senior judge, she has got to make sure this is right, that the
:52:32. > :52:36.evidence is right and we will make her assessment. I'm very happy once
:52:37. > :52:44.the report is published to come back and talk about it. Let me talk about
:52:45. > :52:49.the principle. Is it possible that even now there is a very
:52:50. > :52:55.high-profile match regarded BBC talent behaving badly and still that
:52:56. > :52:58.culture of deference and hostility to whistle-blowers, and a feeling
:52:59. > :53:07.you look upwards and you are worried about what your bosses are saying
:53:08. > :53:13.stops but? We have got to be in an environment where people are
:53:14. > :53:18.comfortable to raise their hands and say that is not acceptable. The BBC
:53:19. > :53:22.has put in all sorts of measures to protect children, they now have
:53:23. > :53:27.chaperones, there are screenings Dawn of people who work with
:53:28. > :53:30.children, they are put in a very comprehensive whistle-blowing line.
:53:31. > :53:38.Anything we can think of that can be done is being done and that is my
:53:39. > :53:42.assurance to you. Some people say that you should not be in charge of
:53:43. > :53:47.the BBC Trust because of your involvement in HSBC in the past
:53:48. > :53:53.which was involved in helping British citizens, well off people,
:53:54. > :54:02.avoid paying tax in Switzerland, what do you say? We have said as a
:54:03. > :54:07.bank that we accept responsibility and we have said we are deeply sorry
:54:08. > :54:13.for any reputational damage and what happened. What we chose to do was to
:54:14. > :54:18.stay and fight. There has been enormous change... And you knew
:54:19. > :54:26.nothing about this at all at the time? We had independents come in
:54:27. > :54:30.with information, this was not disclosed. Improvements have to be
:54:31. > :54:34.made and the reason I stayed is because the board asked me to stay,
:54:35. > :54:42.but more importantly the regulators with whom I worked did. My focus is
:54:43. > :54:46.now on the BBC, people want it to be independent and broad and
:54:47. > :54:47.well-managed. We have got to finish. Thank you.
:54:48. > :54:49.Now over to Christian for the news headlines.
:54:50. > :54:52.Scotland's First Minister has warned David Cameron that holding an early
:54:53. > :54:55.referendum on the UK's membership of the EU would be a mistake.
:54:56. > :54:58.Nicola Sturgeon told this programme that a June poll risked 'confusing'
:54:59. > :54:59.elections to the devolved assemblies in Scotland,
:55:00. > :55:05.The SNP leader also said the campaign for the UK to stay
:55:06. > :55:08.in the EU needed to be more positive in tone than -
:55:09. > :55:10.she claimed - the campaign against Scottish
:55:11. > :55:28.We had a negative campaign from the no campaign and they almost lost. In
:55:29. > :55:33.the EU referendum, the two campaigns are much closer to start with. If
:55:34. > :55:36.the income paying falls into the trap of the no campaign, I fear it
:55:37. > :55:55.will lose. -- be in campaign. The Conservative candidate
:55:56. > :55:56.for London mayor said the Prime Minister had
:55:57. > :55:58.a 'really tough job', in renegotiating the Uk's
:55:59. > :56:00.relationship with the EU. Zac Goldsmith said
:56:01. > :56:02.he was a euro-sceptic, but had not made up his mind
:56:03. > :56:05.which way to vote in the referendum. But he said he hoped David Cameron
:56:06. > :56:08.had 'set the bar sufficiently high' in terms of his demands for reform -
:56:09. > :56:12.to persuade people that it was in the UK's interests
:56:13. > :56:17.to stay in the EU. At ten o'clock we will be asking if
:56:18. > :56:22.sugar should be regarded as dangerous, research on embryos, how
:56:23. > :56:25.far should it go? And do organised religions put people off believing?
:56:26. > :56:33.Join me again at the same time next week, when I'll be talking
:56:34. > :56:36.to the Lib Dem leader, Tim Farron, and to businessman and campaigner
:56:37. > :56:41.But we leave you now with the man who The Times described as one
:56:42. > :56:44.of the best songwriters since Leonard Cohen.
:56:45. > :56:48.From his new album, 'Grey Tickles, Black Pressure' this is John Grant,
:56:49. > :57:22.# I want what I was promised, I'm a bit impatient
:57:23. > :57:28.# And what is it exactly that you think that you deserve
:57:29. > :57:41.# No more, no less, is that ridiculous
:57:42. > :57:44.# Cos what we got down here is oceans of longing
:57:45. > :57:53.# And guessing games, and no guarantees
:57:54. > :57:59.# And you work so hard to be in control
:58:00. > :58:09.# And now you're laughing at yourself because you can't let go
:58:10. > :58:17.# Cos all we're doing is learning how to die
:58:18. > :58:23.# Do you really think that nobody sees the fear behind your smile?
:58:24. > :58:31.# And why do you care what anybody thinks at all?
:58:32. > :58:39.# It's all going to the same thing in the end
:58:40. > :58:45.# And what we got down here is oceans of longing
:58:46. > :58:54.# And guessing games, and no guarantees
:58:55. > :59:00.# And you work so hard to be in control
:59:01. > :59:27.# And now you're laughing at yourself because you can't let go
:59:28. > :59:28.As we'll be discussing, cosmologists are studying...
:59:29. > :59:31.The way the French feel about Joan of Arc.
:59:32. > :59:37.You sat on a windowsill and said... How old are you, Grandad?!
:59:38. > :59:39.Shall we call the police? Obviously not.
:59:40. > :59:42.I still carry that little caterpillar.