:00:00. > :00:00.The Budget's coming this week, we're told George Osborne faces
:00:00. > :00:09.an ?18 billion black hole and so the rest of us
:00:10. > :00:31.Is Tory economic optimism unravelling?
:00:32. > :00:35.The Chancellor joins me to talk cuts, taxes and Europe.
:00:36. > :00:44.All subjects as well for his Labour opposite number John McDonnell.
:00:45. > :00:48.In the Europe debate there's been a lot of loose talk about security
:00:49. > :00:53.I'm joined by one of our most successful thriller writers
:00:54. > :00:56.and ex-MI6 man who knows a thing or two about that,
:00:57. > :01:05.In the EU debate Norway is endlessly cited.
:01:06. > :01:07.We're going to finish with a northern light,
:01:08. > :01:19.Norway's new pop star Aurora. And reviewing the papers,
:01:20. > :01:23.the Guardian's new joint political editor Anushka Asthana,
:01:24. > :01:26.one of the most trenchant voices in journalism,
:01:27. > :01:28.Peter Hitchens from the Mail on Sunday and with her eye
:01:29. > :01:33.But first the news with Christian Fraser.
:01:34. > :01:37.The Chancellor, George Osborne is warning that there will be
:01:38. > :01:40.further cuts in public spending, as he prepares to deliver his
:01:41. > :01:45.Writing in the Sun on Sunday, he says the world is facing its most
:01:46. > :01:47.uncertain period since the financial crisis.
:01:48. > :01:52.Our political correspondent, Eleanor Garnier reports.
:01:53. > :01:55.The Chancellor is preparing for his eighth Budget and with three
:01:56. > :01:57.days to go, there is a warning about the
:01:58. > :02:00.dangers facing the world economy and the impact it will have
:02:01. > :02:06.In his article in the Sun on Sunday, Mr Osborne cites the slowdown
:02:07. > :02:09.in China, the fall in oil prices and political
:02:10. > :02:16.He warns that will have an impact on the UK's finances
:02:17. > :02:20.and it is the reason, he says, for more cuts in public spending
:02:21. > :02:23.so the country can live within its means.
:02:24. > :02:28.The Chancellor has promised to get the books into surplus by 2020.
:02:29. > :02:31.Only four months ago at the Autumn Statement,
:02:32. > :02:34.he sounded upbeat about the country's finances
:02:35. > :02:37.but now, with the size of the British
:02:38. > :02:41.economy much smaller than expected, it seems the Chancellor has not
:02:42. > :02:50.A British man who was jailed in the United States for providing
:02:51. > :02:53.support to the Taliban, says his actions were "naive".
:02:54. > :02:56.At the heart of Babar Ahmad's terrorism network in South London
:02:57. > :02:58.was a website, believed to be the first in English to encourage
:02:59. > :03:02.In an interview with the BBC, Mr Ahmad, who was released
:03:03. > :03:06.year, says he wants to stop young Muslims being attracted
:03:07. > :03:13.A new unified government for Libya appears a step closer
:03:14. > :03:16.The UN-backed Presidency Council, which is overseeing the process,
:03:17. > :03:19.says it now has enough internal political support to start work.
:03:20. > :03:21.It has asked the international community to stop dealing
:03:22. > :03:23.with the country's two rival parliaments.
:03:24. > :03:26.Libya has had two competing governments since 2014
:03:27. > :03:32.following the downfall of Colonel Gaddafi three years earlier.
:03:33. > :03:34.Regional elections taking place in Germany today are being seen
:03:35. > :03:37.as the first significant test of public opinion
:03:38. > :03:39.since Chancellor Merkel agreed to admit more than a million
:03:40. > :03:44.The anti-immigration AFD party is expected to make gains
:03:45. > :03:48.as voters go to the polls in three states.
:03:49. > :03:52.I'll be back with the headlines just before ten o'clock.
:03:53. > :04:02.With me to review the papers are Peter, Anushka and Linda.
:04:03. > :04:08.There is the Observer, not the most enthusiastic supporter of George
:04:09. > :04:14.Osborne. Osborne tax plans will hand billions to the wealthiest. The
:04:15. > :04:20.sensational Mail on Sunday front page, and Gove is nuts, Boris is
:04:21. > :04:26.after my job. It is a book by a Liberal Democrat. Sunday Times has
:04:27. > :04:30.got the story about the Palace fighting to save the Queen being
:04:31. > :04:37.dragged into the Brexit debate. And then a sensational story. Jeremy
:04:38. > :04:43.Clarkson is in favour of the United States of Europe and the European
:04:44. > :04:48.army. Who would have thought it? The Sunday Express, if Turkey is in, we
:04:49. > :04:58.are out. Turkey will be a big issue in the discussions ahead. Finally,
:04:59. > :05:04.President Obama is coming here. We have to start with the Mail on
:05:05. > :05:07.Sunday. You have to. Many of these memoirs are dull, but these memoirs
:05:08. > :05:13.are terrific. Everybody is reading them. The Prime Minister calls
:05:14. > :05:21.Michael Gove the man he introduced to politics and who he persuaded to
:05:22. > :05:26.become an MP. Gove says David Cameron is a Muppet. They are caught
:05:27. > :05:34.negotiating which city should be in the northern powerhouse. Instead of
:05:35. > :05:42.picking fruit by immigrants, we get pensioners to do it. Yes Minister
:05:43. > :05:47.looks like Tolstoy compared to this. This is the Bash Street kids versus
:05:48. > :05:51.Lord snooty in a tangle falling over each other with no principle and no
:05:52. > :05:56.idea what they are doing and loathing each other at the same
:05:57. > :06:01.time. Can we believe a word of it. This is Edward Davey, a Lib Dem
:06:02. > :06:05.minister. He has been talking to Nick Clegg and both of them are
:06:06. > :06:11.bruised about the government, so perhaps they would be saying this.
:06:12. > :06:18.Yes, they would be. But it seems to me to have a ring of truth to it. I
:06:19. > :06:22.will say no more. I would say this is basically the Lib Dems revenge
:06:23. > :06:27.and only the beginning of it. We have got a book from Nick Clegg
:06:28. > :06:31.later in the year. I am not surprised because during the
:06:32. > :06:38.election it was the Tory spot to butcher the Lib Dems, metaphorically
:06:39. > :06:47.speaking. I went to David Laws seat where his majority was overturned.
:06:48. > :06:50.He is probably rubbing his hands. If you get married to someone, stay
:06:51. > :06:57.quiet because all your secrets will come out. You have got the Sun and
:06:58. > :07:00.George Osborne's own article. It is interesting we do not get much on
:07:01. > :07:04.the budget because of the referendum. He has written this
:07:05. > :07:10.piece and he mentions his long-term economic plan. I would say he will
:07:11. > :07:14.be mentioning that again today if I was a betting woman. This is
:07:15. > :07:18.expectation management, talking about the economy and the
:07:19. > :07:25.difficulties there have been. But George Osborne will want to please
:07:26. > :07:28.voters as well this week. He may perhaps move towards raising the
:07:29. > :07:34.threshold to 40p. As they had promised. In the Autumn Statement he
:07:35. > :07:41.got Doctor Who to help him find several billion quid which
:07:42. > :07:49.previously did not exist. Linda, your first story is in the Observer
:07:50. > :07:53.and tax cuts for the better off. It looks like whatever spare money
:07:54. > :07:58.there may be the story here is the Resolution Foundation which is
:07:59. > :08:03.focused on low earners and they are saying that money should be used to
:08:04. > :08:07.offset welfare cuts instead of increasing the personal allowance,
:08:08. > :08:11.in other ways gear it towards the low pay rather than the high pay.
:08:12. > :08:16.That will be one of the criteria on which the budget will be judged. Is
:08:17. > :08:21.it fair and will it generate growth? But you mentioned a moment ago there
:08:22. > :08:26.is an element of credibility, you cannot always blame the global
:08:27. > :08:30.economy. This ?18 billion black hole, that is based on a slowdown in
:08:31. > :08:33.the British economy and the Chancellor will say with some
:08:34. > :08:37.justification this is what is happening in China and Middle East
:08:38. > :08:44.and the world economy is in trouble as well and we are not immune from
:08:45. > :08:49.this. Yes, that is true, but it has changed over the last few months
:08:50. > :08:54.since we got the last growth forecasts and how closely linked are
:08:55. > :08:59.the drivers to global experts. The global economy is not doing so well,
:09:00. > :09:03.but the main drivers for why there is a budget in the black hole is
:09:04. > :09:07.that our growth is lower than expected and not as much tax revenue
:09:08. > :09:12.has been generated and that has been going on for years. It is not
:09:13. > :09:16.related to the last few months. You need to look at the drivers and say
:09:17. > :09:21.it once we understand those, it can we tackle those with the budget? If
:09:22. > :09:28.cannot, we have to ask ourselves what do you do with the budget? It
:09:29. > :09:32.is funny when Labour say their problems are caused by the global
:09:33. > :09:37.economy, the Tories say it is your fault. But when the Tories have
:09:38. > :09:43.problems with the global economy, it is the global economy. Anushka, you
:09:44. > :09:48.have got the story by Jeremy Clarkson. Jeremy Clarkson, a raging
:09:49. > :09:55.Europhile. I read this as a write-up in the Daily Mail when they quoted
:09:56. > :10:00.him saying we should have a United States of Europe and I thought it
:10:01. > :10:04.was a spook. I was reading down and waiting for the punch line, but it
:10:05. > :10:09.turns out he is arguing quite strongly it would be better. He uses
:10:10. > :10:14.his typical language. He said it is a battle between call me Dave and
:10:15. > :10:20.bouncing Boris. He has decided to go for a corner date. He is a friend of
:10:21. > :10:27.the Prime Minister and is part of that Chipping Norton set. The paper
:10:28. > :10:30.did mention that at the bottom of the piece, suggesting that is why
:10:31. > :10:34.Jeremy Clarkson has come down this way. It is not what I expected him
:10:35. > :10:41.to do. I would have thought he would have gone for Brexit. It is not a
:10:42. > :10:47.surprise, I always thought he was a bit of a pose to being the right
:10:48. > :10:54.wing. The smoking and the cars and going down to the pub, there was not
:10:55. > :10:57.much thought in that. The idea you could reform the European Union by
:10:58. > :11:04.camping outside the Eurocrat's house and pestering them with questions,
:11:05. > :11:11.the European Union is not a democracy, not an opposition. That
:11:12. > :11:17.sounds like a future car show on Amazon. You have chosen President
:11:18. > :11:22.Obama intervening in this discussion. This is a problem for a
:11:23. > :11:27.lot of conservatives who tend to think there is a direct choice
:11:28. > :11:30.between being pro-American and pro-European. The United States has
:11:31. > :11:36.always been keen on putting Britain into some kind of superstate. For
:11:37. > :11:41.him to come across it will be a big plus for those who want that to
:11:42. > :11:44.happen. For all those pro-American Tories who have always thought it is
:11:45. > :11:51.America or Europe, it will not be comfortable. And Donald Trump will
:11:52. > :11:58.not have arrived in time. But who knows what he thinks about as
:11:59. > :12:04.opposed to what he says? HS2 is at risk of derailing, not as a project,
:12:05. > :12:10.but literally top speeds. It is a project that will cost more and
:12:11. > :12:15.more. Indeed, ?50 billion and this is the train that is trying to
:12:16. > :12:19.connect North and South, going from London to Birmingham, Manchester and
:12:20. > :12:25.Leeds. The problem according to Professor Woodward is that if it
:12:26. > :12:31.were to go as fast as accurate, it would literally derailed. I think if
:12:32. > :12:36.it was too slow down, the story is saying it would not be much faster
:12:37. > :12:41.than existing trains. It raises a bigger question about investment and
:12:42. > :12:43.infrastructure. There is no question this country needs more investment,
:12:44. > :12:49.but this is a good example of how hard it is to find a good project.
:12:50. > :12:53.Isn't the problem with HS2 it has now become an issue of political
:12:54. > :12:57.ego? The government has tied themselves to this and it will go
:12:58. > :13:07.ahead come what may, however much across. The economic crisis is a
:13:08. > :13:14.time when you could get rid of an absolutely idiotic project. But in a
:13:15. > :13:17.lot of countries they have fast trains and they do not derail and
:13:18. > :13:22.some people might argue why is it that we cannot take on a big project
:13:23. > :13:26.like this. There are rumblings about Heathrow in the same newspaper and
:13:27. > :13:31.there are going to be big infrastructure decisions that will
:13:32. > :13:36.come to a head. This is a story I am obsessed by. In terms of our
:13:37. > :13:40.economic growth we are being told there are new products around and
:13:41. > :13:45.grapheme is one of the most exciting ones, but it has been stolen by the
:13:46. > :13:58.Chinese. I am afraid so. The story is pointing out that this risk, as
:13:59. > :14:01.set by Manchester academics, and fascinating thing about this is the
:14:02. > :14:10.scientists were taking sticky tape and removing pencil lead on pencils
:14:11. > :14:14.until they found grapheme. A Taiwanese company, BDT, is partnered
:14:15. > :14:16.with Manchester University and they brought in a Chinese manufacturer
:14:17. > :14:22.and they are producing something similar. It goes to how difficult it
:14:23. > :14:29.is in higher academic research to protect intellectual property. What
:14:30. > :14:37.would it be used for? It is 200 times harder than steel and it is as
:14:38. > :14:43.flexible as rubber. You can imagine. Buildings? The uses would be
:14:44. > :14:47.incredible, but there is commercialisation and needing money
:14:48. > :14:52.to bring it to market. But this raises the question about China's
:14:53. > :14:59.lack of intellectual property protection in many areas and when it
:15:00. > :15:06.is international, collaboration, it becomes an issue.
:15:07. > :15:15.This crisis has really been humanised by photographs and we have
:15:16. > :15:19.more today. This mother, bathing her one-month-old baby using the water
:15:20. > :15:24.from a dirty portal, which will be horrifying to a lot of people and
:15:25. > :15:28.people will say what can we do about this. It is pictures like this that
:15:29. > :15:33.really bring it home that it is not just a number happening somewhere
:15:34. > :15:37.else. This is in Greece and it is really sad to see things like this
:15:38. > :15:44.taking place. You start wondering about what has caused it, and what
:15:45. > :15:48.caused it is this war in Syria. If we stop starting wars we won't see
:15:49. > :15:53.so many pictures like that. I would like to talk about the German
:15:54. > :15:58.elections. These are provincial elections but they are important.
:15:59. > :16:05.There is a new party in Europe which is a sort of German Ukip, which is
:16:06. > :16:08.making huge advances. German politics is fascinating, the German
:16:09. > :16:13.people are finally beginning to rise up against the big dominant party
:16:14. > :16:18.which has ignored what they think. They don't want to pay for the euro
:16:19. > :16:22.and they don't want to pay for the migrant crisis. They think Angela
:16:23. > :16:26.Merkel was completely crazy when she invited them all in and Germany is
:16:27. > :16:31.in a long-term political crisis about this which we have not seen
:16:32. > :16:35.the end of. We have however seen the end of the paper review.
:16:36. > :16:38.Fascinating, all-encompassing, thank you very much indeed.
:16:39. > :16:43.After five decades as one of the world's top thriller writers,
:16:44. > :16:46.and with over 70 million books sold, Frederick Forsyth has decided
:16:47. > :16:50.the time has come to put his pen down and take up the cause he has
:16:51. > :16:52.long championed, getting Britain out of the EU.
:16:53. > :16:55.His stance, he says, can be summed up simply in just five
:16:56. > :16:56.words: "I want my country back".
:16:57. > :17:05.Before we get onto the details, you have been a long-term Eurosceptic,
:17:06. > :17:13.does this go right back to the 1970s? Before that. When I was with
:17:14. > :17:19.Reuters, I was sent to Brussels in 1962, which was... I'm not even
:17:20. > :17:25.going to ask what you are doing. I was three years old! I became
:17:26. > :17:29.interested then and I have kept a wary eye ever since. Back then it
:17:30. > :17:35.was a common market that we joined, since then it has transformed itself
:17:36. > :17:40.into the EU. Just very basically, I don't believe this is about trade at
:17:41. > :17:52.all. We are always going to trade with Europe, we always have and
:17:53. > :17:57.always will. The diversion at the moment is a con trick because it is
:17:58. > :18:06.not about economics, it is about clashing governmental systems.
:18:07. > :18:10.Europe is a non-democratic commission of bureaucrats basically,
:18:11. > :18:14.it is a bureaucracy. You can have one system governing or the other,
:18:15. > :18:27.you cannot have both and I prefer our system. I called you earlier on
:18:28. > :18:34.an MI6 man, not an agent. We cannot ask about whether we would be more
:18:35. > :18:37.or less secure in terms of intelligence, but you are still in
:18:38. > :18:45.touch with that world, what do you think? An example recently is the
:18:46. > :18:55.discovery of this enormous list of Isil terrorists. Their CVs, it is
:18:56. > :18:59.huge. Like so many things it was an Anglo-American discovery, it had
:19:00. > :19:04.nothing to do with the. EU Therefore if we weren't in the EU I don't
:19:05. > :19:12.think there would be any damage to our security system. We would
:19:13. > :19:16.cooperate as we always do. So we cooperate with individual countries
:19:17. > :19:22.but there is no EU organisation that helps out MI6? If you put a
:19:23. > :19:30.classified document in front of the EU, that is 27 nations, it would be
:19:31. > :19:33.within our opponents' hands within the hour. You have got to trust
:19:34. > :19:40.people you collaborate with in that world. One of the ironies is people
:19:41. > :19:46.are saying Putin would like to see us out of the EU but the Russians
:19:47. > :19:55.are potentially high up on our list of enemies. A newly resurgent
:19:56. > :20:02.Kremlin is a worry. On the other hand, in some areas like Isil we
:20:03. > :20:09.have common interest because they have problems with Chechnya and some
:20:10. > :20:14.of the most lethal ices agents are in fact Chechnya and so we could
:20:15. > :20:20.cooperate in that area but otherwise they have an anti-British agenda.
:20:21. > :20:27.How concerned would you be about Turkey joining the EU? It is a major
:20:28. > :20:31.security problem because it is the big land bridge between the terror
:20:32. > :20:37.zone and Europe. And your most recent novels were about Islamist
:20:38. > :20:42.terrorism and the Far East. I touched on that subject twice, and
:20:43. > :20:52.the second time, yes, was more or less... I chose a Somali terror
:20:53. > :20:56.group. It is not just Isil but many subordinate ones are pledging
:20:57. > :21:00.loyalty to Isil and Isil are setting up in Libya so it is a long haul
:21:01. > :21:04.fight. You have been a long-term supporter of the monarchy, what do
:21:05. > :21:09.you think about the Queen being dragged into this? Do you have some
:21:10. > :21:14.sympathy with Buckingham Palace? We are talking about a lunch that took
:21:15. > :21:19.place about five years ago. I happen to think it wasn't the source, if it
:21:20. > :21:26.wasn't an invention by the media, in fact it didn't come from any of the
:21:27. > :21:31.other notable guests that day. Least of all, Paul Michael Gove. You have
:21:32. > :21:37.given up novels but you haven't given up writing, you are writing
:21:38. > :21:43.lyrics. What is your new project. I wrote a 16 line poem which became a
:21:44. > :21:55.lyric, it was put to a brilliant piece of music, freshly composed and
:21:56. > :22:02.sung by Melissa, and it is called FALLEN SOLDIER. It is being
:22:03. > :22:11.performed at the Royal Opera house, is that right? No, I don't think so,
:22:12. > :22:14.but Melissa does sing at the Royal Opera house. Thank you very much for
:22:15. > :22:16.joining me this morning. Would we get more
:22:17. > :22:21.traditional British weather? The man with the answers is Chris
:22:22. > :22:33.Fawkes. We are going to get our winds coming
:22:34. > :22:39.in from the European direction, giving a European flavour to the
:22:40. > :22:43.weather over the next few days. Some mild spells of sunshine, but we are
:22:44. > :22:47.starting the day with some dense fog patches across this part of the
:22:48. > :22:52.world, visibility down to 13 metres in places, but it will shrivel and
:22:53. > :22:56.we are having plenty of sunshine coming across England and Wales
:22:57. > :23:02.through the rest of the Day today. Northern Ireland staying quite
:23:03. > :23:06.cloudy. It will be warm in the spring sunshine, temperatures at the
:23:07. > :23:12.highest could reach 15 degrees across parts of the Highlands of
:23:13. > :23:16.Scotland, and around the Edinburgh area, but for most temperatures into
:23:17. > :23:22.double figures. A cool breeze blowing around the coastline of East
:23:23. > :23:27.Anglia and the Kent coast. Overnight tonight, you will see more mist and
:23:28. > :23:33.fog patches, across the web is Midlands and the north too. We will
:23:34. > :23:39.have frost developing as well, temperatures down to minus in Wales.
:23:40. > :23:42.Through the week ahead we are looking at dry conditions, high
:23:43. > :23:46.pressure firmly in charge for the whole of the week and that means
:23:47. > :23:54.many will see sunny spells but by day we could see issues with mist
:23:55. > :23:56.and fog. Don't say that this programme brings
:23:57. > :23:59.you know good news! John McDonnell, Labour's Shadow
:24:00. > :24:03.Chancellor, is the second most important person in the Labour Party
:24:04. > :24:05.after Jeremy Corbyn. He famously joked, at least
:24:06. > :24:07.I think it was a joke, that his hobby was fomenting
:24:08. > :24:10.the overthrow of capitalism. This week he's relaunching Labour's
:24:11. > :24:12.economic policy with iron discipline at its heart that either means more
:24:13. > :24:22.Tory austerity or it You actually said fomenting the
:24:23. > :24:29.overthrow of capitalism as if it was a kind of beer. It was a joke on
:24:30. > :24:33.brewing! I have always wondered what kind of socialist you would see
:24:34. > :24:39.yourself as being, a Marxist for instance? I am a socialist in the
:24:40. > :24:43.tradition of the Labour Party which goes back to William Morris, it
:24:44. > :24:47.includes Nye Bevan, that whole history of socialism within our
:24:48. > :24:52.country, British socialism. You are quoted today as saying you are not
:24:53. > :24:59.really a Labour Party person, it is a vehicle and when it is not useful
:25:00. > :25:03.you hop off. That was a debate about why to join the Labour Party. I was
:25:04. > :25:08.saying the Labour Party I think is the best organisation for
:25:09. > :25:12.progressive change in this country. Overthrow of capitalism, would you
:25:13. > :25:17.like a world in which we were not ultimately governed by a capitalist
:25:18. > :25:22.system? I want to transform capitalism so we have a fairer
:25:23. > :25:26.society, more equal distribution of wealth and democratic society as
:25:27. > :25:31.well. Would you see it as a dynamic system that produces wealth and
:25:32. > :25:38.innovation but has got to be tamed by politics rather than something
:25:39. > :25:41.that has to be overthrown? I think create a new society. The Labour
:25:42. > :25:46.Party is about a radical transformation that makes society
:25:47. > :25:50.fairer, more democratic but based on the sustainable economy because we
:25:51. > :25:55.know so much more about climate change now. Prosperity needs to be
:25:56. > :26:02.shared better. You really launched the Labour economic strategy, and
:26:03. > :26:05.you put a big importance not on austerity but a balanced iron
:26:06. > :26:09.discipline from the New Labour Chancellor if that comes about. A
:26:10. > :26:14.lot of people thought it sounded a lot like Gordon Brown and Ed Balls.
:26:15. > :26:25.It is a wider tradition than just Labour's fiscal ability. We have had
:26:26. > :26:29.two long. Like the last six years where we have had fiscal rules that
:26:30. > :26:35.have not been met, that sort of thing, so I am trying to encourage a
:26:36. > :26:39.better economic debate. With regards to the Labour Party, when we go back
:26:40. > :26:46.to government we will reduce debt and make sure we are supervised
:26:47. > :26:51.independently. We will invest and grow the economy. How is that
:26:52. > :26:57.different? You attacked Ed Balls at the time for austerity light and
:26:58. > :27:04.caving into neoliberalism, how is this different? Three main issues.
:27:05. > :27:08.There will be a better discipline, we will be independently supervised
:27:09. > :27:12.by the Office for Budget Responsibility. Secondly, I have
:27:13. > :27:16.introduced a rule that where monetary policy is not working, you
:27:17. > :27:21.make sure fiscal policy is active and what is happening across Europe
:27:22. > :27:27.at the moment as well. Thirdly, this is about investment for the
:27:28. > :27:32.long-term in skills new technology. We are on the same page as the
:27:33. > :27:36.wealth creators in society, but when we grow our economy that prosperity
:27:37. > :27:40.has got to be shared. We have a really unequal society at the
:27:41. > :27:47.moment. I want to come onto that but you place a lot of emphasis on
:27:48. > :27:51.investment. Investment by a Labour government in housing, new
:27:52. > :28:00.technology and so forth. Is there an upper limit to that? Do you have a
:28:01. > :28:06.figure? The OECD is saying that we should be spending about 3% of our
:28:07. > :28:12.GDP. What George Osborne is doing is reducing that to about 1.4 and that
:28:13. > :28:19.is unacceptable. I want to make sure we invest in the long-term, then we
:28:20. > :28:24.can withstand the global headwinds. I would make sure it is the wealth
:28:25. > :28:27.creators, the business and entrepreneurs who represent the
:28:28. > :28:35.workers themselves who are the ones who advise government. If you take
:28:36. > :28:45.you -- UK plc, you would invest in the machinery. I am starting to feel
:28:46. > :28:51.dazed at this point. Is this the John McDonnell I knew about for so
:28:52. > :28:57.long or have you changed? I have always been like this. The Labour
:28:58. > :29:02.Party, the secret is in the name. We are the representatives of the
:29:03. > :29:08.wealth creators, that has always been the Labour Party tradition. I
:29:09. > :29:11.am restoring Labour to that tradition. Let's return to
:29:12. > :29:16.investment then. There was a difficulty about what is investment
:29:17. > :29:20.and what is not, so for instance would you regard paying higher wages
:29:21. > :29:25.to public sector workers as investment? I have been speaking to
:29:26. > :29:32.the CBI, the trade of commerce, they are saying three things. You need
:29:33. > :29:36.investment in skills, in infrastructure, and in new
:29:37. > :29:40.technology. If we do that, we will get the high skilled jobs that pay
:29:41. > :29:46.the high wages. Wages will follow the investment and in that way, that
:29:47. > :29:51.shares the prosperity. But you have promised higher wages for public
:29:52. > :29:56.sector workers across the board. My question is, is that investment or
:29:57. > :30:05.current spending? It flows from investment. So you can borrow to do
:30:06. > :30:17.that? All governments borrow. Let's take the analogy of the firm, you
:30:18. > :30:22.invest in technology. Does that mean for instance you want to give junior
:30:23. > :30:29.doctors higher wages? Or give teachers higher wages? You can say
:30:30. > :30:33.this is borrowing for investment. No, you borrow for investment to
:30:34. > :30:37.grow the economy. Then there are more taxes paid and as a result you
:30:38. > :30:43.can afford public services. It is that long-term patient investment
:30:44. > :30:46.that we need. I have set up this economic advisory Council, who are
:30:47. > :31:07.advising us on this. There is Mr Arafat gets. No, he is
:31:08. > :31:13.doing one of our lecturers. He is somebody you admire and he admires
:31:14. > :31:17.you. He is stimulating the debate. He has said the Euro has been an
:31:18. > :31:21.economic terrorism to his country and there is no democracy in
:31:22. > :31:25.Brussels and working class people in Greece have been hammered by what
:31:26. > :31:31.has happened and yet the Labour Party is in favour of staying inside
:31:32. > :31:35.the machine. I would not use his language. We have always argued to
:31:36. > :31:40.stay out of the Euro and that was the right decision. We are saying we
:31:41. > :31:44.need to reform the European Union, but we need to stay in and make sure
:31:45. > :31:50.the reform is more transparent and democratic. But you can report it
:31:51. > :31:55.because you look across Europe and in some case the right and the far
:31:56. > :31:59.right are on the march in France and Germany and in Eastern Europe and in
:32:00. > :32:03.Scandinavia. Europe is moving sharply to the right and the borders
:32:04. > :32:11.are going up. You cannot make it into a social democratic grid. That
:32:12. > :32:15.is why we are meeting with social democratic parties across Europe to
:32:16. > :32:19.present an alternative agenda. After this budget I will be going on a
:32:20. > :32:25.tour around the country arguing for that agenda. It will be reform
:32:26. > :32:30.making sure we have prosperity across Europe shared by all. The
:32:31. > :32:38.transatlantic trade deal you regard this as dangerous. Why? It has been
:32:39. > :32:41.negotiated secretly and it has the potential of overriding the
:32:42. > :32:46.decisions of democratically elected governments. We have to stay within
:32:47. > :32:52.Europe to make sure that all the trade treaties negotiated are in the
:32:53. > :32:57.interests of all. If we were not in Europe, we would not need to worry
:32:58. > :33:03.about it. It is a lot of things, the political direction of Europe, the
:33:04. > :33:07.effects of the Euro, the effects of neoliberalism and the banking system
:33:08. > :33:14.inside the EU, you are instinctively against the EU. This is only
:33:15. > :33:17.tactical. It is a matter of principle that we need to solve
:33:18. > :33:23.these major global problems that we are facing like global climate
:33:24. > :33:27.change and migration and instability. We need to do that
:33:28. > :33:31.through international cooperation and the European Union gives us that
:33:32. > :33:36.opportunity. Your party does not sound like you really care about
:33:37. > :33:42.Europe. I will be on the tour after this week. I think Alan Johnson has
:33:43. > :33:45.done a great campaign up until now. You will see Jeremy Corbyn and the
:33:46. > :33:51.rest of the Shadow cabinet going around the country arguing for
:33:52. > :33:56.people's Europe, one in which prosperity is shared by all, based
:33:57. > :33:57.on democracy and transparency. Thank you for joining us.
:33:58. > :34:01.Back at the time of the Autumn Statement the Chancellor told us
:34:02. > :34:04.he'd built a strong economy, Britain's makers were on the march
:34:05. > :34:07.and he'd found a whopping ?27 billion to reverse his
:34:08. > :34:10.And he was widely assumed then to be the next Tory leader.
:34:11. > :34:12.What a difference a few months makes.
:34:13. > :34:15.Now we're told the economy is still fragile and vulnerable
:34:16. > :34:17.to a dangerous cocktail of new threats and ?18 billion pound
:34:18. > :34:23.black hole in the public finances and deeper cuts are coming.
:34:24. > :34:31.Welcome. Things have gone badly wrong, haven't they? The world is in
:34:32. > :34:36.a much more difficult and dangerous place. My message in this budget is
:34:37. > :34:39.that the world is a more uncertain place than at any time since the
:34:40. > :34:45.financial crisis and we need to act now so we do not pay later. I need
:34:46. > :34:50.to find additional savings, equivalent to 50p in every ?100 by
:34:51. > :34:54.the end of the decade, because we have to live within our means to
:34:55. > :34:59.stay secure and make Britain fit for the future. When people talk about
:35:00. > :35:06.an ?18 billion black hole, that is pre-active. It has been revised of
:35:07. > :35:14.our nominal GDP. Last year inflation was lower. It is a real number? It
:35:15. > :35:18.is a real number because all around the world and in big emerging
:35:19. > :35:21.countries like China, Brazil and Russia, people are looking at
:35:22. > :35:28.economic prospects and thinking they are not as rosy as they work a few
:35:29. > :35:32.months ago. But in context Britain is still forecast to have the
:35:33. > :35:35.strongest growing economy of any of the major economies in the world
:35:36. > :35:40.with a record number of people in work. Eight years ago when we had
:35:41. > :35:45.the financial crash, Britain was one of the worst prepared countries for
:35:46. > :35:50.what happened. This time Britain is one of the best prepared. But we are
:35:51. > :35:56.not immune. It does not mean we cannot take action to make sure we
:35:57. > :36:03.are well prepared. This will mean further cuts? We will have to make
:36:04. > :36:06.further savings, the equivalent of 50p in every ?100 the government
:36:07. > :36:13.spends towards the end of the decade. What is the alternative? To
:36:14. > :36:17.look at our own economy and see it is not as productive as we would
:36:18. > :36:21.like them to give up? I want to roll up our sleeves and make sure we are
:36:22. > :36:25.living within our means and making our country is more productive and
:36:26. > :36:31.our schools and infrastructure is better and our taxes are more
:36:32. > :36:36.competitive. Where will the cuts come? We can find those savings, it
:36:37. > :36:40.is not a huge amount in the scheme of things and you can do it by
:36:41. > :36:47.looking where you can get the best value for money and through
:36:48. > :36:52.efficiency. Even by paying for the non-protected departmental budgets?
:36:53. > :36:58.We have set out a plan that enables us to invest in the public's
:36:59. > :37:02.priorities and our priorities like the health service and science,
:37:03. > :37:06.education and infrastructure and defence, while at the same time not
:37:07. > :37:10.spending more than the country can afford. Ultimately the people who
:37:11. > :37:15.pay the price, if you spend more than you can afford, are the people
:37:16. > :37:19.of this country. There are people living in this country who do not
:37:20. > :37:24.have the security that comes when the country is in charge of its
:37:25. > :37:29.finances. You are taking money out of the pockets of some of the most
:37:30. > :37:34.vulnerable people, disabled people, through PIP reductions, those are
:37:35. > :37:37.the people who can least afford to pay the sacrifice, the weakest, and
:37:38. > :37:46.you are changing the rules to hit them. Is that your priority? I do
:37:47. > :37:50.not accept that at all. What do you not accept? We are increasing
:37:51. > :37:54.spending on disabled people and they get higher payments than they did
:37:55. > :38:01.under the last Labour government. We are increasing the support for
:38:02. > :38:06.disabled people. 640,000 people will be affected by PIP reductions. PIP
:38:07. > :38:11.payments were introduced to give those who really needed to help more
:38:12. > :38:16.help and more support. But they are getting less. We are giving more
:38:17. > :38:20.support to people with mental health conditions which did not happen
:38:21. > :38:24.before. You have to make sure it is properly managed so the money goes
:38:25. > :38:29.to those who need it most and that budget is going up. What Iain Duncan
:38:30. > :38:33.Smith has announced is we have to look at some of the way the points
:38:34. > :38:38.are awarded to make sure that it goes to those who are most
:38:39. > :38:43.vulnerable. According to your own figures, you are saving ?1.2 billion
:38:44. > :38:49.by cutting payments to disabled people. Hang on, the budget is going
:38:50. > :38:54.up. It will not be going up as much as it was forecast. Controlling
:38:55. > :38:58.welfare bills is part of what you need to do if you are a secure
:38:59. > :39:05.country and able to confront the problems. This all happens at the
:39:06. > :39:10.same time as you are raising thresholds to help middle-class
:39:11. > :39:13.taxpayers and it seems very callous. We are providing more support to
:39:14. > :39:18.disabled people and we back working people. Times are tough, the fiscal
:39:19. > :39:24.situation is difficult because of what is going on in the world and
:39:25. > :39:28.all Western countries including our own are not productive enough. But
:39:29. > :39:34.we can take action by making our economy more protective --
:39:35. > :39:38.productive, and making us more skilled and investing in
:39:39. > :39:43.infrastructure. At the moment because of world oil price of petrol
:39:44. > :39:48.is very cheap, do you think motorists have the shoulders to take
:39:49. > :39:55.another bit of taxation? I will set out the decisions on duties in the
:39:56. > :40:00.budget. It is a friendly question. It would not be a very friendly
:40:01. > :40:04.response if I started telling you my budget on the Andrew Marr programme.
:40:05. > :40:12.I will save it for the House of Commond. I will set out the tax rate
:40:13. > :40:15.in the budget on fuel duty. We had a manifesto commitment there and we
:40:16. > :40:20.pencilled in fuel duty going forward. But what I would say is
:40:21. > :40:26.every time we can help our economy be more competitive, we will, and
:40:27. > :40:28.that is why we have cut business taxes and we have helped working
:40:29. > :40:36.people by raising the personal allowance. And you will carry on
:40:37. > :40:39.doing that? It is very clear in the manifesto, it was a promise to the
:40:40. > :40:48.British people, that we would raise the personal allowance to ?12,500,
:40:49. > :40:53.to raise the high rate threshold to ?50,000. We will deliver on the
:40:54. > :40:58.manifesto, but in each judgment you make in a budget, you have got to
:40:59. > :41:01.see what money you have got available and what you can afford to
:41:02. > :41:07.do and the truth is we are in difficult economic times. We should
:41:08. > :41:12.not be looking for tax cuts? What you will see in the budget is a
:41:13. > :41:15.government determined to confront Britain's long-standing problems
:41:16. > :41:20.with productivity, to make Britain more secure in the face of a
:41:21. > :41:26.difficult world economy. Look at our record. We took difficult decisions,
:41:27. > :41:29.you asked me over many years perfectly legitimate question is
:41:30. > :41:33.whether our judgment was right, and Britain today has the
:41:34. > :41:37.fastest-growing economy in the Western world. We can stay number
:41:38. > :41:45.one if we get ahead of the curve, redouble our efforts. Meanwhile, you
:41:46. > :41:51.have broken your own welfare cap and you have made numerous series of
:41:52. > :41:56.U-turns on things from the Google tax to other things, it is a pretty
:41:57. > :42:00.ropey record. We have introduced a national living wage, and
:42:01. > :42:06.apprenticeship levy to skill up millions of Britons. On the big
:42:07. > :42:10.picture you did not eliminate the deficit because you did not get the
:42:11. > :42:14.growth you thought you would. The big picture is people look at
:42:15. > :42:18.Britain and they see a country getting its act together. If you
:42:19. > :42:23.look at what we do as a government, I think we take big, radical
:42:24. > :42:28.reforming steps and we have got a small majority. We do not win every
:42:29. > :42:34.vote. You can either shut up shop and do nothing and that is not me as
:42:35. > :42:38.a politician. If people want a politician who is going to sit here
:42:39. > :42:42.and talk away and not doing anything, they can get someone else.
:42:43. > :42:47.I want to make lasting changes to improve the living standards of
:42:48. > :42:52.working people in this country. Do you regret the sweetheart deal with
:42:53. > :42:55.Google? I was faced with a situation where we were not raising any money
:42:56. > :43:02.with this company and now we are raising money. I think that is a
:43:03. > :43:07.success. Of course, people want more money to be raised from those
:43:08. > :43:12.companies. I understand that, but we have introduced the tax changes that
:43:13. > :43:16.will make that happen. The people who criticise me, often Labour
:43:17. > :43:22.politicians, they sat in chairs like this for 13 years and did absolutely
:43:23. > :43:27.nothing. I think the steps we had taken will make sure our tax system
:43:28. > :43:31.is fit for the modern age when, frankly, the Internet and the global
:43:32. > :43:36.trading system is different than it was 20 or 30 years ago and our tax
:43:37. > :43:43.system needs to change. You have talked about this being an unstable
:43:44. > :43:46.and dangerous change -- world, possibly being on the edge of
:43:47. > :43:54.another financial crisis with lower than expected growth in China, etc.
:43:55. > :44:00.One of those threats is Brexit. Was it a good idea to hold a referendum?
:44:01. > :44:04.It is absolutely right for Britain to resolve this decades long
:44:05. > :44:09.ambiguity about our relationship with the EU. For me we are an
:44:10. > :44:14.outward looking, free trading country that engages with the world
:44:15. > :44:18.and shapes our planet and its destiny. I am not for us pulling up
:44:19. > :44:25.the drawbridge and unilaterally withdrawing. I hear people say, I
:44:26. > :44:30.want Britain to be like Switzerland or in Norway, or Canada. I want
:44:31. > :44:34.Britain to be like Great Britain, engaged in the world and championing
:44:35. > :44:39.free trade and not withdrawing from Europe, but shaping Europe to our
:44:40. > :44:43.national interest. I watched you going around the world and selling
:44:44. > :44:50.Britain and you go to America and China because they are growing.
:44:51. > :44:54.Europe is flat on its back. We see a rise in political extremism and we
:44:55. > :44:59.see barbed wire going back up, we see the eurozone in meltdown. Then
:45:00. > :45:03.we are told it is safer to stay shackled to that and it is to get
:45:04. > :45:12.out. That sounds completely barking, frankly. I am all for Britain
:45:13. > :45:17.connecting itself to China, to North America, to Brazil and the like. I
:45:18. > :45:25.am all for this. We do not do enough of that. But we have to recognise we
:45:26. > :45:29.are part of the European continent. We are off it. If you ask most
:45:30. > :45:36.schoolchildren which continent the United Kingdom is in there with a
:45:37. > :45:40.Europe. It is an island. We learned to our cost that we are deeply
:45:41. > :45:47.affected by what happens just across the English Channel. If you look at
:45:48. > :45:51.Britain... And it is going very badly at the moment. Of course, for
:45:52. > :45:57.all Western democracies at the moment, there are all sorts of
:45:58. > :46:02.populist movements. What is the best response? In my view it is to have a
:46:03. > :46:06.sober and serious assessment of the finance. I have been the Finance
:46:07. > :46:10.Minister for the last six years and I take a serious assessment of the
:46:11. > :46:16.evidence and an exit would create an economic shock, it would cost jobs,
:46:17. > :46:21.increase prices and it will represent a leap in the dark. There
:46:22. > :46:27.is a bigger question about who do we want to be? It is difficult to think
:46:28. > :46:30.of any country in the world that has had a greater influence on the
:46:31. > :46:33.history of the world and the United Kingdom. People say there is the big
:46:34. > :46:44.table, we are walking away from it. Because actually it is a continent
:46:45. > :46:50.mired in crisis and we could have, as Boris Johnson has said, we could
:46:51. > :46:57.have a deal like the Canadian deal, 99% of their trade is tariff free,
:46:58. > :47:06.we don't -- they don't accept the free movement of people, we could
:47:07. > :47:09.have a deal like that. Three quarters of our economy is in
:47:10. > :47:16.services and they don't have a services deal. Every country is
:47:17. > :47:19.different, but if we exited EU, are you really saying as Chancellor you
:47:20. > :47:24.couldn't negotiate a decent free trade deal with the rest of the EU?
:47:25. > :47:27.We would of course try to do the best record, but you had the German
:47:28. > :47:32.finance minister on this programme last week and he could not have been
:47:33. > :47:39.clearer, which is the only way you can get access to the single market
:47:40. > :47:43.is that you accept the free movement of people. Why would you want to do
:47:44. > :47:47.those things and have no control of the rules and how the budget is
:47:48. > :47:52.spent. It seems to me we have the best of both worlds, we are not in
:47:53. > :47:57.the Schengen border, we are not in the euro, but we do have access to
:47:58. > :48:03.that free trade single market. And in return for that we have free
:48:04. > :48:06.movement of people. You would have free movement of people if you did
:48:07. > :48:16.the kind of deal Switzerland and Norway does. But not Canada. I don't
:48:17. > :48:20.want us to be Canada, I want us to be Great Britain. In the end of this
:48:21. > :48:23.is not some political game, this is the biggest decision facing this
:48:24. > :48:27.country for 50 years and the people who will be affected by that
:48:28. > :48:33.decision are not you and me, we will be long gone from the political
:48:34. > :48:37.stage, it will be the hill farmer in Wales, the call centre worker in
:48:38. > :48:44.Bournemouth, their future depends on an open and engaged Britain. This is
:48:45. > :48:48.about their future. So we have got to look even 30 years ahead when we
:48:49. > :48:52.think about this decision, and then we turn to Turkey which is getting
:48:53. > :48:59.visa free access and will almost certainly become a member of the EU.
:49:00. > :49:06.70 million people inside the EU, that frightens many people. Lots of
:49:07. > :49:11.people can move through the Turkish border into the EU. That is the kind
:49:12. > :49:17.of risk we have got to think about, isn't it? It is a perfect example of
:49:18. > :49:21.why it is in our interests to engage with countries like Turkey but we do
:49:22. > :49:26.not have to give access to Turkish citizens coming to the UK, they will
:49:27. > :49:31.still require visas, and that is because we are not part of the
:49:32. > :49:37.Schengen... People have to assume that kind of thing will happen. That
:49:38. > :49:40.is entirely decision for the British House of Commons. People talk about
:49:41. > :49:44.sovereignty, the House of Commons makes these decisions accountable to
:49:45. > :49:48.the British people. We are sovereign, but in my view and in the
:49:49. > :49:54.interests of the British people, what we want is to have control over
:49:55. > :50:00.our destiny. You do that by engaging with the world, not running away.
:50:01. > :50:05.Are you suggesting that if Turkey joined the EU we could keep Turks
:50:06. > :50:12.out of the UK? Firstly we had a veto over whether Turkey joins, so we can
:50:13. > :50:16.set conditions and we made it clear we will not accept new member states
:50:17. > :50:20.to the European Union and give them unfettered free movement of people
:50:21. > :50:25.unless their economies are much closer in size and prosperity two
:50:26. > :50:33.hours. So Britain would block Turkey's accession? We made it clear
:50:34. > :50:39.that they would only have free movement of people if the economy
:50:40. > :50:43.was of a similar prosperity. You are saying that for the foreseeable
:50:44. > :50:48.future Britain would block Turkish accession to the EU? As I say, I
:50:49. > :50:54.think Turkey is an incredibly important ally, and it is important
:50:55. > :50:57.it has close relations with the European Union. I don't think
:50:58. > :51:03.Turkish accession to the EU is on the cards any time soon. We could if
:51:04. > :51:08.we wanted to veto it, we have also made it very clear we will not allow
:51:09. > :51:12.new countries to join that are much poorer and have free movement of
:51:13. > :51:16.people as a result of that. That has been one of the big problems. Our
:51:17. > :51:23.economy has been successful and it has attracted people to our country.
:51:24. > :51:27.You mentioned sovereignty, I thought one of the most eloquent expositions
:51:28. > :51:31.of the case for Brexit was by Michael Gove who said that they
:51:32. > :51:37.after day every minister sees across their desk thinks they would like to
:51:38. > :51:40.do and they are told no, Brussels says no. British ministers do not
:51:41. > :51:45.have complete control over their own departments because the bureaucratic
:51:46. > :51:54.system intervenes. Don't you occasionally think I would like to
:51:55. > :51:58.smells sweet freedom in my nostrils? Freedom is being able to control
:51:59. > :52:02.your environment and being able to do what you want to do to protect
:52:03. > :52:07.your people and I think we have more freedom, more control over our world
:52:08. > :52:11.by being part of the European Union. This point about sovereignty, we are
:52:12. > :52:15.engaged in a sovereign act as a nation, we are making a decision
:52:16. > :52:21.about whether we want to be in the European Union or not. We are
:52:22. > :52:25.sovereign, the question is what do we choose to do with our
:52:26. > :52:28.sovereignty. We choose to be part of Nato, if someone attacks and other
:52:29. > :52:33.Nato country we have got to go to war against that country. That is in
:52:34. > :52:38.some sense and abrogation of sovereignty but we are safer and we
:52:39. > :52:43.have more freedom as we are part of Nato. According to the papers the
:52:44. > :52:49.Prime Minister thinks Boris Johnson is after his job, do you agree?
:52:50. > :52:52.There's a string of these memoirs from Lib Dem ministers and I work
:52:53. > :52:58.hard to make sure they are writing their memoirs, I don't really
:52:59. > :53:04.recognise much of what they said. I don't think it is the greatest
:53:05. > :53:08.revelation in human history to discover that Boris Johnson is
:53:09. > :53:10.interested in a job in Government. In the Prime Minister's job. You
:53:11. > :53:15.would have to ask him. Now over to Christian
:53:16. > :53:23.for the news headlines. The Chancellor, George Osborne
:53:24. > :53:25.is warning that there will be further cuts in public
:53:26. > :53:27.spending as he prepares Writing in the Sun on Sunday,
:53:28. > :53:32.he says the world is facing its most uncertain period since
:53:33. > :53:40.the financial crisis. The Chancellor of the Exchequer has
:53:41. > :53:43.warned that he will have to find further cuts in public spending,
:53:44. > :53:45.when he delivers his He told this programme that
:53:46. > :53:48.in the face of global economic uncertainty, it was necessary
:53:49. > :53:51.to 'act now so we don't pay later'. He said the reductions
:53:52. > :53:54.were equivalent to 50p in every ?100 of government expenditure -
:53:55. > :53:57.which he said was 'not a huge amount The Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell
:53:58. > :54:00.has been explaining Labour's Mr McDonnell said that if his party
:54:01. > :54:04.came into government, there would be discipline over day
:54:05. > :54:06.to day spending. But he said it would invest more
:54:07. > :54:12.in skills, infrastructure You borrow for investment to grow
:54:13. > :54:12.the economy. It is that long-term investment, patient investment, that
:54:13. > :54:13.we need. The next news on BBC One
:54:14. > :54:16.is at one o'clock. First, let's have a look at what's
:54:17. > :54:24.coming up immediately Join us live from Glasgow at ten
:54:25. > :54:29.when we will be debating the snoopers Charter. After the vote
:54:30. > :54:41.yesterday, should there be illegal The Chancellor is with me to talk
:54:42. > :54:49.about driverless cars, this will be a major initiative coming up in the
:54:50. > :54:54.Budget. And driverless lorries? This is a massive technological change to
:54:55. > :54:58.the way cars work and in places like California they are trailing them. I
:54:59. > :55:03.don't want Britain to be left behind. Companies like Nissan and
:55:04. > :55:10.Jaguar Land Rover are developing these cars. Will we see driverless
:55:11. > :55:15.cars on British roads soon? We want to see them trialed in Britain in
:55:16. > :55:19.2017 and potentially available in Britain from 2020. Other countries
:55:20. > :55:26.are doing this. To reassure you, there is a driver sitting in the
:55:27. > :55:30.seat. Does this mean I can go to the pub and get smashed and go home
:55:31. > :55:38.safely? I don't think we have come to the alcohol rules. I can read the
:55:39. > :55:41.paper in my car and so on? There is an incredible amount of change going
:55:42. > :55:47.on in the world and we need to make the changes to adapt to this world
:55:48. > :55:52.and be ahead of it. Britain was the home of invention, let's keep being
:55:53. > :55:58.that. And great cavalcades of driverless lorries we are told, does
:55:59. > :56:04.this mean that HS2 which is going crazily overbudget, the trains will
:56:05. > :56:08.fall off the rails, it is time to junk that? No, Britain is the
:56:09. > :56:13.country that developed the railway, are we really going to say we will
:56:14. > :56:20.not build any more railways? Let's not withdraw from the world.
:56:21. > :56:21.Driverless cars, yes, the trains as well.
:56:22. > :56:25.Andrew Neil will be here in an hour with the Scottish First
:56:26. > :56:28.Join us again at the same time next Sunday.
:56:29. > :56:31.I'll be talking to Jeremy Irons about, among other things,
:56:32. > :56:33.his surprising new role as a Hollywood action hero.
:56:34. > :56:35.But for now, we leave you with some Nordic cool -
:56:36. > :56:38.From her new album, released yesterday, this is "Conqueror".
:56:39. > :57:01.# Broken mornings, broken nights and broken days in between
:57:02. > :57:03.# Open ground, the sky is open, makes an open sea
:57:04. > :57:05.# Just like in fiction, in every addiction
:57:06. > :57:12.# I've been looking for the conqueror
:57:13. > :57:51.# But there's no seduction only destruction
:57:52. > :57:57.# Oh fantasy take me over and break me
:57:58. > :58:01.# I've been looking for the conqueror
:58:02. > :58:57.# I've been looking for the conqueror
:58:58. > :59:05.# But you don't seem to come my way #.