:00:00. > :00:10.London has her first Muslim mayor - big news for Labour.
:00:11. > :00:12.Scotland has a new Tory opposition and this morning
:00:13. > :00:16.there is a new ferocious argument about Britain and EU.
:00:17. > :00:41.One of the leaders of Vote Leave, the Justice Secretary, Michael Gove,
:00:42. > :00:44.joins me in his first major TV interview of the campaign,
:00:45. > :00:47.to explain why his friends David Cameron and George Osborne
:00:48. > :00:53.From the other side of the argument, however, I'll be talking
:00:54. > :00:56.to Sir John Sawers - the former boss of MI6 -
:00:57. > :01:01.who says this morning that it's safer to stay.
:01:02. > :01:04.And the other big story this weekend is of course a new Mayor for London.
:01:05. > :01:18.Sadiq Khan seems to be charting a new direction for Labour.
:01:19. > :01:22.Fraser Nelson, editor of the Spectator, and in the week
:01:23. > :01:25.of Trump's triumph, Kate Andrews - who represents Republicans Overseas
:01:26. > :01:29.in the UK, and finally, the Guardian's Anushka Asthana.
:01:30. > :01:34.with Prince Harry to mark the start of his Invictus Games
:01:35. > :01:41.He tells us what inspired the Games, and how he got his grandmother
:01:42. > :01:45.to outdo President and Mrs Obama's online challenge.
:01:46. > :01:47.If you've got the ability to ask the Queen to up
:01:48. > :01:52.one on the Americans, then why not?
:01:53. > :01:55.All that's coming up - but first the news, with Sian Lloyd.
:01:56. > :02:00.Junior doctors' representatives in England have agreed to re-enter
:02:01. > :02:04.talks with the Government over disputed new contracts.
:02:05. > :02:07.The discussions, the first since talks broke down in February,
:02:08. > :02:09.are expected to cover issues including Saturday pay
:02:10. > :02:14.The dispute has led to a series of strikes
:02:15. > :02:31.Khan has warned that Labour will only win elections by reaching past
:02:32. > :02:35.its own activists. He said that they had to focus on the issues that
:02:36. > :02:38.voters cared about, rather than internal squabbles. It is expected
:02:39. > :02:40.he will meet with Jeremy Corbyn tomorrow.
:02:41. > :02:42.Fire-fighters in Canada say they believe the huge wildfire
:02:43. > :02:45.raging in the province of Alberta has doubled in size over the past
:02:46. > :02:52.But they say the blaze is skirting around the edge of the oil
:02:53. > :02:55.Many people have fled south to Edmonton and officials say that
:02:56. > :03:03.unless significant rain arrives, the fire could burn for months.
:03:04. > :03:04.The broadcaster Sir David Attenborough celebrates his
:03:05. > :03:08.He first appeared on our screens more than 60 years ago
:03:09. > :03:11.Sir David has since gone on to make groundbreaking
:03:12. > :03:13.wildlife documentaries, travelling all around the world
:03:14. > :03:15.to present programmes such as The Life of Mammals,
:03:16. > :03:38.The Observer story you are hearing about, Sadiq Khan accusing the Prime
:03:39. > :03:41.Minister of using Trump playbook tactics, but he is also critical of
:03:42. > :03:47.the direction of the Labour Party in the same article. Spy chiefs say
:03:48. > :03:51.that quitting the EU is a security risk, that is the Sunday Times. The
:03:52. > :03:55.Mail on Sunday have so many exclusives that they can't decide
:03:56. > :04:00.which one to put on the front page. UK navy officer joins IS. The Sunday
:04:01. > :04:04.Telegraph, migration pressure on schools, that is the pressure on
:04:05. > :04:14.British schools caused by mass migration, they say. We are going to
:04:15. > :04:17.start with Anushka. A spread on the elections in London, you want to
:04:18. > :04:24.talk about their more generally? This is one of a lot of articles
:04:25. > :04:30.about the election, a lot of focus on labour's cup win, if you like, in
:04:31. > :04:34.London. If you want to think of a football analogy, how did they do in
:04:35. > :04:38.the league, elsewhere in the country? There are two narratives we
:04:39. > :04:43.are seeing, one is that it is the worst result since 1985 in local
:04:44. > :04:46.election results for Labour. On the other hand, Jeremy Corbyn held on to
:04:47. > :04:50.a lot of councils in the south that they were expecting to lose. This
:04:51. > :04:53.article says council leaders were lining up to criticise him after
:04:54. > :04:58.they lost control, but they didn't do it. To be fair to Jeremy Corbyn,
:04:59. > :05:02.you can't, on one hand, say he had nothing to do with London, even
:05:03. > :05:06.though his face was on a lot of Conservative literature, but let's
:05:07. > :05:10.blame him for everything that took place in Scotland. It is lose - lose
:05:11. > :05:16.for him in a lot of the papers. He is looking stronger as a result is
:05:17. > :05:20.not What it has done is killed dead any talk of an immediate coup. There
:05:21. > :05:24.was not enough there to say Jeremy Corbyn has to go now. He has a lot
:05:25. > :05:30.of critics amongst MPs in his own party. They will continue to argue
:05:31. > :05:33.he is not doing well enough. We have talked about labour in the
:05:34. > :05:38.south-east, the one place they did catastrophically badly was Scotland?
:05:39. > :05:42.Yes, the worst result since 1918. The Sunday Herald has Nicola
:05:43. > :05:50.Sturgeon adopting to the fact that there is now a new political Herald
:05:51. > :05:55.in Scotland, somebody triumphant. Here is Ruth Davidson, the Scottish
:05:56. > :06:00.Tory leader, the Sunday Times has her not just taking the bull by the
:06:01. > :06:03.horns, but riding on one as well! It's an incredible achievement. She
:06:04. > :06:07.has doubled the Tory results in Scotland. The word Scottish Tory is
:06:08. > :06:13.no longer a contradiction in terms. When I was on the Scottish
:06:14. > :06:17.Parliament, people pitied you for being a Tory, rather than hating
:06:18. > :06:20.you, now they are the official opposition. An incredible narrative
:06:21. > :06:26.of success, not one that Nicola Sturgeon likes much. The question is
:06:27. > :06:30.if she has the power to call another referendum. She doesn't have an
:06:31. > :06:35.overall majority, but she could do a deal with the Scottish Greens?
:06:36. > :06:40.Technically, yes. But they didn't make that clear in the manifesto. So
:06:41. > :06:45.there is a sense we have reached the peak for the SNP and it is downhill
:06:46. > :06:55.now. Even her opponents call Ruth Davidson Tank Girl. Let's move onto
:06:56. > :06:59.the front page of the Observer. Sadiq Khan has written a comment
:07:00. > :07:03.piece for the Observer. I will leave it to the Observer to prove that
:07:04. > :07:08.drab, even if he is not the story, can still be the headline. Actually,
:07:09. > :07:12.his piece really focuses on his own party and the changes that need to
:07:13. > :07:16.be made. He focuses on the anti-Semitism within the party, to
:07:17. > :07:19.some extent. He says we can criticise Zac Goldsmith and the
:07:20. > :07:22.Conservatives, and we showed, for the bad tactics they used in this
:07:23. > :07:27.campaign, especially against me and my heritage, but we also have to
:07:28. > :07:31.take ownership ourselves. A very positive piece, I am very hopeful
:07:32. > :07:35.for him. He and I definitely disagree when it comes to housing
:07:36. > :07:42.policy and transport, I am nervous about some of the things he wants to
:07:43. > :07:48.crack down on, like Uber, but if he is talking about speaking across the
:07:49. > :07:52.aisle, talking to people who are pro-free market, that is positive.
:07:53. > :07:58.Do you think he will be a big player in the Labour Party in the next few
:07:59. > :08:01.years? A huge player. A lot of MPs that are not fans of Jeremy Corbyn,
:08:02. > :08:06.they say they wanted him to win so he could be an alternative
:08:07. > :08:09.leadership figure for us. It's interesting he had a pop at Zac
:08:10. > :08:13.Goldsmith's campaign. I think that has backfired for the Conservatives
:08:14. > :08:20.and for the Prime Minister himself. Even his sister, Jemima Goldsmith,
:08:21. > :08:25.was tweeting against it? She said it was not the Zac that she knew. I
:08:26. > :08:29.think they had a choice, even if the tactics were innocent in the first
:08:30. > :08:32.place, when they saw the noise about dog whistle politics, they could
:08:33. > :08:38.have backed down. The Sunday Times has a piece about security. That is
:08:39. > :08:42.coming back into the Brexit debate. They have abandoned that, after the
:08:43. > :08:47.Brussels thing, but now trying to come back with a joint article by
:08:48. > :08:55.Jonathan Evans, former MI5, and Sir John Sawers. It's an ambitious
:08:56. > :08:58.article, most people involved in security tell you privately that
:08:59. > :09:01.there is no case, really, the EU doesn't really help, it is about
:09:02. > :09:07.bilateral relationships. In the letter they mention, as a EU member,
:09:08. > :09:12.the great thing is access to data. It's true there is a database of
:09:13. > :09:18.90,000 fingerprints, but no way of searching it. Because there is not a
:09:19. > :09:22.EU intelligence service? There are various agencies. We deal with the
:09:23. > :09:32.French, but we regard the Spanish as being hopeless, the Italians as
:09:33. > :09:35.being hopeless. Shh! Is not the sort of thing that people admit in
:09:36. > :09:42.public. But it is the five guys that we trust. I am looking forward to
:09:43. > :09:53.hearing what he says afterwards, what most police would regard as the
:09:54. > :09:57.indefensible. We move to the iPad, we are incredibly cool in
:09:58. > :10:02.21st-century! Things we have learned about Donald Trump? This has become
:10:03. > :10:08.a real staple for any political geeks. This is Nate Silver, the guy
:10:09. > :10:12.who had a good record at predicting what was happening in the election,
:10:13. > :10:18.less good when it comes to Donald Trump? This article is not by Nate
:10:19. > :10:20.Silver, but what his team has found is that there was evidence six
:10:21. > :10:25.months ago that Donald Trump could win the primary, it is just that
:10:26. > :10:28.people were not working at it. There were not looking at bad evidence,
:10:29. > :10:32.they were looking at his and favourability ratings, which are sky
:10:33. > :10:36.high, worse than Hilary Clinton's, which are also bad. But there was
:10:37. > :10:41.evidence in the polls that he was going to be popular, but people
:10:42. > :10:44.wanted to shield themselves from it. I am sympathetic to that. We are now
:10:45. > :10:49.looking at a race that is possibly going to sport two New York
:10:50. > :10:54.elitists, both truly establishment figures. You used to be close
:10:55. > :10:58.friends, they now pretends to Haiti seller? There is a photo of them
:10:59. > :11:05.with their arms around each other Donald Trump's wedding. It is
:11:06. > :11:08.similar to the now oral election. They deserve a better debate, but we
:11:09. > :11:17.have to listen to Donald Trump's rhetoric. -- -- to the London mayor
:11:18. > :11:20.election. I think Hillary Clinton's rhetoric is empty, and a lot of
:11:21. > :11:25.Americans say they are going to stay home. Republicans like you will be
:11:26. > :11:31.hoping for a third-party candidate? It's hard to say, the Republican
:11:32. > :11:36.party might be changed for ever. Destroyed? Well, blown up. Who knows
:11:37. > :11:39.how it will rebuild? I can't put myself behind Donald Trump, and I
:11:40. > :11:44.don't want to vote for Hillary Clinton. Lot of stuff about the
:11:45. > :11:55.fight between the BBC and the government over the charter renewal.
:11:56. > :12:01.A mandarin -- Amanda has weighed in? The creator of The Thick Of It has
:12:02. > :12:04.written an impassioned piece about how everybody loves the BBC,
:12:05. > :12:07.questioned if some people in government don't like that fact, and
:12:08. > :12:13.thinks it is wrong that the charter should be looked at every five
:12:14. > :12:19.years. The BBC is a very big player in an industry that is struggling.
:12:20. > :12:24.It is paid for by the licence fee. I think that difficult conversations
:12:25. > :12:29.about what the BBC should do, it shouldn't always be responded to by
:12:30. > :12:35.this kind of outpouring of rage by everybody. Of course, you say it is
:12:36. > :12:40.difficult, we just lost The Independent as a newspaper, and The
:12:41. > :12:48.New Day, the editor, we had on this over a few weeks ago and it is gone
:12:49. > :12:52.already. A lifetime of a mayfly? The BBC is now four times as big as the
:12:53. > :12:58.biggest newspaper. It is difficult to compete if your opponent is doing
:12:59. > :13:03.stuff away for free. Not to say we don't love it! I come to you for
:13:04. > :13:08.cultural news, you want to talk to is about the Eurovision Song
:13:09. > :13:15.Contest? I am delighted that they are now seeing it for the political
:13:16. > :13:19.event that it is. There is music, but it is a collision between music,
:13:20. > :13:22.culture and politics. If you want to find out what is happening in
:13:23. > :13:28.Europe, tune in next Saturday. Hatchets are buried, kisses are
:13:29. > :13:33.blown. It deserves a serious analysis which it is now getting any
:13:34. > :13:37.Sunday press. Russia is now the favourite to win. That is an
:13:38. > :13:43.alarming geopolitical moment? You can see the trend, France is number
:13:44. > :13:48.two, they are singing in English this time. They used to hate singing
:13:49. > :13:56.in English, because they regarded themselves as cultural purists. I
:13:57. > :14:01.used to go to a party where you had to choose a country and dress up, I
:14:02. > :14:06.got Lithuania, so that was very difficult. The way we are going as a
:14:07. > :14:10.society, driverless cars in the Sunday Times? This is so positive,
:14:11. > :14:14.we have the technology at our fingertips now, potentially in the
:14:15. > :14:18.next five years, driverless cars. It is something that will make us
:14:19. > :14:21.safer. It's also going to really help the elderly, who might be
:14:22. > :14:25.struggling to get around. A lot of stories like this, it speaks to the
:14:26. > :14:28.best of humans and innovation, and progress, how we have to be looking
:14:29. > :14:32.forward. We don't want to regulate these things or hold them back, we
:14:33. > :14:39.want to push ourselves into living better lives. And it will change the
:14:40. > :14:43.landscapes, no more rows of parked cars, there will not be much point
:14:44. > :14:51.in owning one, you can summon a driverless car and it will cost
:14:52. > :14:57.less? Anushka has come in, wearing Leicester City blue. A really great
:14:58. > :15:04.rags to riches story? You must read the piece in the Sunday Telegraph. A
:15:05. > :15:09.Leicester Fiesta. After they won, it was amazing. Keith Vaz, with his
:15:10. > :15:14.Leicester scarf. David Cameron and Jeremy Corbyn agreed. The whole
:15:15. > :15:18.country is rather pleased. Everybody loves Leicester, well done
:15:19. > :15:22.Leicester. Well done the Sunday Times, it's 10,000th edition today.
:15:23. > :15:25.Thank you for the paper review. We have heard about the worries from
:15:26. > :15:29.MI6 and MI5 about leaving the EU. There are plenty of people watching
:15:30. > :15:32.who will see it all as a bit of an establishment plot -
:15:33. > :15:43.well, here's the man How did this come about? People
:15:44. > :15:49.think there are lots of big establishment groups weighing in on
:15:50. > :15:54.the Remain side. But here come the spooks as well. Jonathan Edwards and
:15:55. > :15:59.I met at a dinner back in February, and we said to each other then, we
:16:00. > :16:04.have something to say on this. We didn't want to come in before the
:16:05. > :16:09.local elections. The real campaign on the referendum is now. So we
:16:10. > :16:15.decided to intervene around this time. What about Fraser Nelson's
:16:16. > :16:19.point. He said there is no EU intelligence service. Everything is
:16:20. > :16:23.bilateral. You talk to other European countries, but you don't
:16:24. > :16:28.talk to the EU, because there is nothing to talk to. When you conduct
:16:29. > :16:33.secret operations, you do work bilaterally. If you were working on
:16:34. > :16:37.an operation in Spain, you work with our Spanish counterparts, who are
:16:38. > :16:42.actually very good. What BET you does is provide a legal framework
:16:43. > :16:47.for essential issues like data-sharing. Data is vastly more
:16:48. > :16:54.important now in the analysis of who is associating with who, who is
:16:55. > :16:58.communicating with who, and you need to know that in order to uncover the
:16:59. > :17:04.networks of terrorists or cyber criminals we have to deal with.
:17:05. > :17:09.Michael Gove says the European Court of Justice is limiting this in a
:17:10. > :17:13.very dangerous way, and we need emergency legislation to get
:17:14. > :17:18.ourselves from out of under the ECJ, or our ability to survey will be
:17:19. > :17:27.surveyed compromise. -- severely compromised. Actually we have a
:17:28. > :17:31.sharing agreement that we have recently secured which means we have
:17:32. > :17:36.more advanced information about people coming to the UK who might be
:17:37. > :17:43.of concern. When Salah Abdeslam, one of the Brussels bombers, was being
:17:44. > :17:49.searched for, the French were able to transfer DNA and fingerprints to
:17:50. > :17:54.Brussels very rapidly. Those sorts of requests for information used to
:17:55. > :17:59.take about four-month. It now takes 15 minutes. It is wrong to say there
:18:00. > :18:06.is no added value from the European Union. The European of Justice did
:18:07. > :18:10.strike down and EU directive, and member states are responding
:18:11. > :18:16.accordingly. This is about privacy, and Michael Gove's point is that the
:18:17. > :18:20.ECJ is overly concerned about privacy, and will increasingly
:18:21. > :18:26.hamper the work of organisations like MI6. I don't accept that. It is
:18:27. > :18:31.interesting that one of Michael Gove's colleagues, said David Davis,
:18:32. > :18:35.who has taken a decision by the British Parliament to the courts in
:18:36. > :18:38.order to reverse the decision of the British Parliament, is rather
:18:39. > :18:46.bizarre that one of the anti-Europeans is using legal means,
:18:47. > :18:52.using the courts, to try to undermine a decision of the British
:18:53. > :18:57.Parliament. I think judges generally try to err on the side of human
:18:58. > :19:02.rights rather than a ring on the side of security. That is beginning
:19:03. > :19:06.to change as judges understand the scale of the security threat that
:19:07. > :19:10.Europe faces. What about our ability to deport dangerous
:19:11. > :19:13.Europe faces. What about our ability connected with terrorism, who are
:19:14. > :19:18.being stopped by the EU? I don't understand why you say they are
:19:19. > :19:21.being stopped by the EU. We have the EU arrest warrant now. Back a long
:19:22. > :19:24.time ago, when we had EU arrest warrant now. Back a long
:19:25. > :19:26.wanted in France EU arrest warrant now. Back a long
:19:27. > :19:28.in Britain, it took us ten long years to extradite them back to
:19:29. > :19:34.France. Now, in the years to extradite them back to
:19:35. > :19:38.we have deported over 5000 people years to extradite them back to
:19:39. > :19:41.other European countries. One of the years to extradite them back to
:19:42. > :19:48.people who were taking part in the July 2005 bombings fled to Italy.
:19:49. > :19:53.The Italians returned him within eight weeks, which is a remarkable
:19:54. > :19:58.change, and it's because of EU legislation. Would we lose this kind
:19:59. > :20:03.of thing if we left the EU? Could we renegotiate? Well Iceland has been
:20:04. > :20:09.of thing if we left the EU? Could we trying to renegotiate such an
:20:10. > :20:13.agreement, and has struggled. We have important structures, which we
:20:14. > :20:18.have built over the last 30 or 40 years, and Britain has
:20:19. > :20:22.have built over the last 30 or 40 sure the security guy mentioned is
:20:23. > :20:28.properly considered and properly integrated into the uterus decision
:20:29. > :20:34.is that are taken. If we walk away, -- in two the EU's decisions that
:20:35. > :20:44.are taken. If -- in two the EU's decisions that
:20:45. > :20:46.lose this. We let the government know at the end of last week that we
:20:47. > :20:51.were planning to do this. If Michael know at the end of last week that we
:20:52. > :20:57.Gove gets his way and we leave the EU, and we come out of the
:20:58. > :21:02.ambit, we will be less safe, in your view? It isn't about the ECJ. We
:21:03. > :21:06.will be less safe because we will not be able to take part
:21:07. > :21:06.will be less safe because we will decisions that framed the
:21:07. > :21:12.will be less safe because we will data, which is a crucial part of
:21:13. > :21:16.counter-terrorism these days, and we will lose things like the European
:21:17. > :21:19.Arrest Warrant. And a wider point is that it's not just about the
:21:20. > :21:23.day-to-day cooperation. It is that it's not just about the
:21:24. > :21:26.the wider stability of our continent. We are secure because the
:21:27. > :21:39.wider Europe is secure, and continent. We are secure because the
:21:40. > :21:41.There is a real risk of the pressures on the European Union,
:21:42. > :21:44.migration pressures, economic pressures and pressures from Russia
:21:45. > :21:46.pulling Europe apart. We have seen politics in Europe going to the
:21:47. > :21:49.extreme left and the extreme right, and we need to make sure that the
:21:50. > :21:54.centre is solid, and that the European Union plays its role in
:21:55. > :21:57.underpinning democracy, human rights and the rule of law. Thank you very
:21:58. > :21:59.much for joining us. In a moment, London's
:22:00. > :22:01.new mayor, Sadiq Khan. But first the weather,
:22:02. > :22:06.and his city has been broiling over But with weary and unfair
:22:07. > :22:10.inevitability, it hasn't been and won't be quite so good
:22:11. > :22:20.in the north and west. Thank you very much. I think there
:22:21. > :22:26.will be more knobbly knees on display. Yesterday was the hottest
:22:27. > :22:30.day of the year so far. Scotland and Northern Ireland were a long way
:22:31. > :22:35.short of that, but you will catch up today. Temperatures getting up to
:22:36. > :22:39.the mid-20s in places, and getting hotter still across England and
:22:40. > :22:43.Wales. First we have to get rid of some fog from south-east Scotland
:22:44. > :22:51.and north-east England, and some Wales from more Western -- some rain
:22:52. > :22:57.from Wales and more Western parts of the UK. A lot warmer across much of
:22:58. > :23:02.Scotland today. The South West could hit 24 degrees, much higher than
:23:03. > :23:05.yesterday. High teens or no 20s across Northern Ireland, with a
:23:06. > :23:13.chill on the North Sea coast with the wind off the sea. North-west
:23:14. > :23:18.England could see 26 or 27. Into the mid-20s across England and Wales,
:23:19. > :23:23.and a hotspot to the north of London. Onshore breezes tempering
:23:24. > :23:27.the heat, but do take care if you are tempted to take off extra
:23:28. > :23:31.layers. UV levels are rather high. Don't forget the sunscreen. I think
:23:32. > :23:35.that is all bases covered. Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London,
:23:36. > :23:38.is the most senior elected Labour politician in the UK,
:23:39. > :23:41.and his personal mandate - simply the number of people
:23:42. > :23:43.who have voted for him - is bigger than that enjoyed
:23:44. > :23:45.by either Ken Livingstone His message to Labour's
:23:46. > :23:57.leader this morning Congratulations on your victory. As
:23:58. > :24:04.you are going through the campaign, did it feel like it was a racist
:24:05. > :24:07.campaign directed at you? It was a divisive and nasty campaign. Others
:24:08. > :24:14.have commented on that. Was it racist? Ascribing what the campaign
:24:15. > :24:17.was like, I thought that the campaign should be fought in
:24:18. > :24:22.relation to all eternity is. The housing crisis, the challenges
:24:23. > :24:27.facing Londoners in terms of fares going through the roof, supporting
:24:28. > :24:31.businesses to flourish and thrive so that more Londoners can get wood
:24:32. > :24:36.quality of living. How do we bring back neighbourhood policing? I was
:24:37. > :24:41.disappointed that the Conservative Party chose to have a campaign that
:24:42. > :24:47.was nasty, negative and vices. Did you think that they were saying, in
:24:48. > :24:52.effect, Sadiq Khan is a Muslim, and therefore we cannot trust him with
:24:53. > :24:57.London's safety? People approached major in the campaign, dozens of
:24:58. > :25:01.parents, uncles, auntie 's, grandparents, saying that they were
:25:02. > :25:06.encouraging their children, nephews and nieces to get involved in
:25:07. > :25:12.politics. But after seeing how you have been treated and what you have
:25:13. > :25:17.gone through, why should we? I have spent my entire life encouraging
:25:18. > :25:22.minority communities to get involved in civil society and mainstream
:25:23. > :25:26.politics. I have been fighting extremism all my life. When you
:25:27. > :25:31.conduct politics, you should do it in a positive way to infuse people
:25:32. > :25:36.to get involved in politics. The Labour Party is having an enquiry
:25:37. > :25:41.into anti-Semitism within the party, which you felt damaged jaw campaign
:25:42. > :25:45.in the final stages. Do you think that the Conservatives now have a
:25:46. > :25:49.question to answer and should be investigating? It isn't about my
:25:50. > :25:54.campaign. I have suffered eight crime and I know what it's like to
:25:55. > :25:58.be different. As a Londoner and a human being, I do think it's right
:25:59. > :26:04.that people should be victims of hate crime because of their race or
:26:05. > :26:08.ethnicity. I spoke about there being no place in our party for people
:26:09. > :26:13.with appalling views. We live in the greatest city in the world. I am
:26:14. > :26:18.humbled and proud that my city has chosen me to be the Mayor of London.
:26:19. > :26:23.Growing up, I couldn't have imagined that. The great thing about London
:26:24. > :26:30.is Christians, Jews, Muslims, Christians, Sikhs... We celebrate
:26:31. > :26:35.each other, and that is why we are the beacon of the rest of the world.
:26:36. > :26:40.London is probably the world's greatest melting pot experiment, as
:26:41. > :26:45.to whether people with very conservative religious views can
:26:46. > :26:53.live alongside people with very open religious views. How are you going
:26:54. > :26:57.to tackle this? In 2005, people were protesting against me taking part in
:26:58. > :27:01.man-made law. The great thing about my campaign was it brought people
:27:02. > :27:07.together, from different backgrounds, rich, poor, lack,
:27:08. > :27:12.white, old, young, gay, lesbian... We spoke about the best of our
:27:13. > :27:16.communities, leaders of all faiths and those who are not part of an
:27:17. > :27:22.organised faith, coming together to celebrate a great city. One person
:27:23. > :27:26.who wasn't there to celebrate was Jeremy Corbyn himself. You have
:27:27. > :27:29.written what appears to be a not terribly coded attack on the
:27:30. > :27:34.direction of the Labour Party under Jeremy Corbyn. The way the Labour
:27:35. > :27:39.Party is going now nationally, do you think they are well placed to
:27:40. > :27:44.win a general election in 2020? We in labour, our mission is to improve
:27:45. > :27:50.people's lives and change them for the better. We only do that by
:27:51. > :27:56.winning elections. What are the challenges facing Londoners? How do
:27:57. > :28:01.you solve the housing crisis? How do ensure that young people have the
:28:02. > :28:05.skills of tomorrow? How do you tackle air quality? You only do that
:28:06. > :28:10.by speaking to people who haven't previously voted Labour. By speaking
:28:11. > :28:17.to Tory voters and those outside our tent. We've got to stop talking
:28:18. > :28:23.about ourselves. If I was Jeremy Corbyn, I might say, hold on, I talk
:28:24. > :28:27.about all those issues. What is the problem? And with my face all over
:28:28. > :28:31.the posters, the Labour Party has done rather well in the south-east,
:28:32. > :28:37.and Sadiq Khan owes some of his success to me. What was important
:28:38. > :28:42.was the victor on Thursday was a victory for London. It shows that
:28:43. > :28:49.London chose hope and unity instead of division. We have got to start
:28:50. > :28:54.talking to citizens about the issues that matter to them. How do
:28:55. > :28:58.businesses expand and grow, how do entrepreneurs do well? How do we
:28:59. > :29:03.skill up youngsters for the jobs of tomorrow? I'm looking forward to
:29:04. > :29:09.being a mayor of the great city. I can't promise great weather during
:29:10. > :29:15.my entire male tea, but I will try! That is outrageous! You said that
:29:16. > :29:23.your slogan is being a mayor for all Londoners. It should never be about
:29:24. > :29:30.picking sides, you said. Was that a reference... I'm going to show you a
:29:31. > :29:35.picture of something that came during the campaign. Elections are
:29:36. > :29:39.about taking sides. Was that you attacking Jeremy Corbyn? Whether you
:29:40. > :29:46.are a conservative trying to be the man of London, or a Labour Party
:29:47. > :29:53.member, we need to speak to everyone. That means speaking to
:29:54. > :29:56.Chief Executive is, people who voted Conservative last time, speaking and
:29:57. > :30:00.listening to everyone and finding solutions to the challenges that
:30:01. > :30:05.people face. Looking through the papers, it is almost comic. We
:30:06. > :30:09.cannot work out whether Jeremy Corbyn is trying to get hold of you
:30:10. > :30:14.press conference whether you've been trying to get hold of him. Are you
:30:15. > :30:20.going to meet each other today? I think we are going to see each other
:30:21. > :30:26.tomorrow. I've had six hours sleep. I've got a full day today. I am
:30:27. > :30:30.going to the National Holocaust commemoration today. I am going to
:30:31. > :30:35.be the man who fixes the problem London faces. Do you welcome the
:30:36. > :30:38.fact that you are going to be the centre of attention for the Labour
:30:39. > :30:42.Party nationally, who are going to be looking at how you run London and
:30:43. > :30:47.looking for lessons for the rest of the UK? My mandate is to be the Mall
:30:48. > :30:51.of London and I am going to do the best job I can. I couldn't dream of
:30:52. > :30:56.being the mayor of this great city. I want all Londoners to have their
:30:57. > :31:01.potential fulfilled and be able to do what ever they do, whether it's
:31:02. > :31:08.to BA Chief Executive or a youth worker or a preacher. If others want
:31:09. > :31:13.to learn from that one, or campaign to win elections, I'm happy to talk
:31:14. > :31:15.to them. Sadiq Khan, thank you very much for talking to us today.
:31:16. > :31:17.Later today, the second Invictus Games will get
:31:18. > :31:19.under way in Florida, a five-day event in which injured
:31:20. > :31:21.servicemen and women from 15 countries will compete.
:31:22. > :31:24.It's the brainchild of Prince Harry, himself a veteran of Afghanistan,
:31:25. > :31:26.whose experience there inspired him to create Invictus.
:31:27. > :31:28.He's had some weighty support in promoting it -
:31:29. > :31:30.an online challenge from President Obama
:31:31. > :31:36.When I spoke to Prince Harry earlier, he told me how he'd also
:31:37. > :31:42.enlisted some serious star power closer to home.
:31:43. > :31:56.Remember when you told us to bring it at the Invictus Games?
:31:57. > :32:03.Oh, really? Please!
:32:04. > :32:08.I think the biggest pressure for me was wanting to ask her,
:32:09. > :32:11.but not wanting to put pressure on her.
:32:12. > :32:14.She is my boss, she's all of our bosses, she is the head
:32:15. > :32:18.It seemed appropriate, four years after her helicopter
:32:19. > :32:24.exit at the Olympics, that this was the right timing.
:32:25. > :32:27.If you've got the ability to be able to ask the Queen to up
:32:28. > :32:30.one on the Americans, then why not?
:32:31. > :32:32.What I had to explain to her was the previous challenge
:32:33. > :32:37.that I had given to the First Lady when I was in Washington.
:32:38. > :32:39.So that was when the whole thing started.
:32:40. > :32:42.She asked if we were going to bring it, I said, yes -
:32:43. > :32:46.She ended up dragging the President in on something personal
:32:47. > :32:52.There was no way I was going to come to America,
:32:53. > :32:58.So, naturally, I was going to drag the Queen into it and say,
:32:59. > :33:02.She was more than happy to oblige, and I hope that
:33:03. > :33:06.I certainly enjoyed it, and I know she did as well.
:33:07. > :33:08.The mistress of the wry aside, but also highly competitive
:33:09. > :33:16.For those people who are asking what was that all about,
:33:17. > :33:18.there was no-one else that I could think of that
:33:19. > :33:21.was going to top the President and the First Lady of
:33:22. > :33:26.It was an easy thing for me to sit there and go,
:33:27. > :33:29.right, this has to be the Queen, otherwise we lose, simple as that.
:33:30. > :33:38.This originated in a momentary light bulb moment you had, as it were,
:33:39. > :33:39.in a plane coming back from Afghanistan,
:33:40. > :33:46.in a plane coming back from Afghanistan, during your first tour.
:33:47. > :33:49.I think you were feeling a bit down at the time?
:33:50. > :33:54.The best way to explain it to people is I was an officer, I have been
:33:55. > :33:56.training for three years, training with a select group
:33:57. > :34:01.I have already been told I wasn't allowed to go to Iraq,
:34:02. > :34:02.but I was allowed to go to Afghanistan.
:34:03. > :34:07.The training had been done, we had gelled together and I was out
:34:08. > :34:12.To be taken away from your team, not knowing what was going to happen
:34:13. > :34:14.to them and whether you were going to be indirectly responsible
:34:15. > :34:23.Once on the plane, heading back, with three wounded British soldiers
:34:24. > :34:26.who were wrapped up in plastic, with tubes coming out
:34:27. > :34:30.of their mouths and out of their arms, all in induced comas.
:34:31. > :34:33.One of the guys had a test tube filled with shrapnel that had been
:34:34. > :34:38.removed from his head that he was clutching while asleep.
:34:39. > :34:41.I just spent a few minutes sitting there with them,
:34:42. > :34:46.But that was a real turning point in my life.
:34:47. > :34:49.Not being Captain Wales, but being Prince Harry at the time,
:34:50. > :34:54.I was thinking, there needs to be something here.
:34:55. > :34:57.It was only 2012, after hearing about The Warrior Games,
:34:58. > :35:01.being able to see it and doing my second tour,
:35:02. > :35:03.that I actually realised sport plays a huge, huge part in the
:35:04. > :35:14.Let me ask you about monarchy and royalty itself.
:35:15. > :35:16.You can pick up a cause, popular or unpopular,
:35:17. > :35:19.and make it front-page news, and you can choose those causes
:35:20. > :35:21.and change people's lives for the better,
:35:22. > :35:28.To what extent is this really the heritage of your mother?
:35:29. > :35:31.She was the first person, in many ways, to pick up some
:35:32. > :35:34.of these less popular, more difficult causes.
:35:35. > :35:37.To me, I don't think it is an unpopular cause, as such.
:35:38. > :35:41.It is something that needed a spotlight shone on it.
:35:42. > :35:43.To prove that these individuals, they don't want to be defined
:35:44. > :35:46.by their injuries, they want to be defined as human beings,
:35:47. > :35:51.as the person they originally were, here, mentally and physically.
:35:52. > :35:54.I think all we have done here is create this sporting
:35:55. > :35:58.platform where they can be in their element.
:35:59. > :36:02.Literally, it is lives being changed, there and then.
:36:03. > :36:05.With regard the question to my mother, it's not
:36:06. > :36:14.This is not about landmines, let's say.
:36:15. > :36:16.This is more about 15 different nations of individuals that
:36:17. > :36:26.We get to have the opportunity to be there and create this atmosphere
:36:27. > :36:31.Looking ahead, let me chance my arm with a cheeky question.
:36:32. > :36:34.A bit like your mother, you are pursued, every minute
:36:35. > :36:36.of every day, by lots of people trying to take photographs,
:36:37. > :36:39.videoing, recording what you are saying,
:36:40. > :36:45.how can you possibly have a private life?
:36:46. > :36:48.Cheeky question, you are right, it is a cheeky question.
:36:49. > :36:51.Andrew, to be honest with you, sadly, that line between public
:36:52. > :36:57.and private life is almost nonexistent any more.
:36:58. > :37:02.We will continue to do our best to ensure there is the line.
:37:03. > :37:04.We are completely aware that we are in a very
:37:05. > :37:13.I will spend the rest of my life earning that privilege and trying
:37:14. > :37:17.to bring a spotlight onto things and causes that really matter to me
:37:18. > :37:21.and hopefully matter to a lot of other people as well.
:37:22. > :37:24.Everyone has a right to their privacy.
:37:25. > :37:28.You know, a lot of members of the public get it.
:37:29. > :37:33.Sadly, in some areas, there is this incessant need to find
:37:34. > :37:35.out every little bit of detail about what goes
:37:36. > :37:41.I hope people get to see me here, in this Invictus role,
:37:42. > :37:44.cracking on with the guys, mucking in and having
:37:45. > :37:50.This is half my official role, but half my private role.
:37:51. > :37:55.But the private life has to be private.
:37:56. > :38:00.Prince Harry, thank you very much indeed for joining us today.
:38:01. > :38:06.Prince Harry, speaking to me from Florida.
:38:07. > :38:08.You can see a longer version of that interview on the BBC
:38:09. > :38:12.Coverage of the Invictus Games starts tomorrow night
:38:13. > :38:18.Before that, a word about a special programme on BBC Two tonight -
:38:19. > :38:22.Hillsborough is an in-depth account of Britain's worst sporting disaster
:38:23. > :38:26.in which 96 men, women and children died.
:38:27. > :38:29.It includes footage from the stadium, never seen before,
:38:30. > :38:33.and recounts the families' 27-year campaign for justice.
:38:34. > :38:37.And coming up immediately after this show:
:38:38. > :38:40.Join us from Salford at 10.00, where we will be asking just one Big
:38:41. > :38:44.Question - should we be proud of the British Empire?
:38:45. > :38:47.To debate that, we've assembled distinguished
:38:48. > :38:49.entrepreneurs, historians, faith leaders, commentators, and activists
:38:50. > :39:02.With last week's elections out of the way, the next big date
:39:03. > :39:06.in the political diary is of course the 23rd of June, and the Referendum
:39:07. > :39:10.For decades this has been a huge debate within the Conservative Party
:39:11. > :39:13.- and David Cameron said he hoped it would be conducted
:39:14. > :39:16.The Justice Secretary and leading campaigner on the Leave side,
:39:17. > :39:28.Good morning, Andrew. For a lot of people, who still have not made up
:39:29. > :39:32.their minds, there are two huge issues they are worried about. One
:39:33. > :39:38.is economic security, will they be better or worse off, and the other
:39:39. > :39:43.is Security security. I would like to deal with both of those. Can I
:39:44. > :39:47.start on economics? Virtually every single international body, the IMF,
:39:48. > :39:51.the World Bank, you name it, they say this country would be worse off
:39:52. > :39:55.if we left the EU. Why are they all wrong, and you are right? Many of
:39:56. > :39:59.these organisations were wrong in the past about the single currency.
:40:00. > :40:03.There were cheerleaders for our entry into the euro. We were told if
:40:04. > :40:07.we stayed outside, the City of London would be devastated and the
:40:08. > :40:11.economy would be devastated. The opposite was the case. These
:40:12. > :40:14.organisations are led by politicians and bureaucrats, primarily, people
:40:15. > :40:23.responsible for generating growth and creating jobs. Business people
:40:24. > :40:28.on the ground, as the whole country is, are divided. Many of the most
:40:29. > :40:32.energetic, like Anthony Bamford and the team behind JCB, they think that
:40:33. > :40:37.Britain would be stronger outside the European Union. You have a team
:40:38. > :40:41.of economists agreeing with you, like Patrick Bamford. But he says
:40:42. > :40:47.that British money factoring would be annihilated?
:40:48. > :40:55.If your own advisers saying that, why should people believe you? --
:40:56. > :41:03.manufacturing. Many people on niqab main have views radically different
:41:04. > :41:08.from the Minister. -- many people on the Remain side. Gerry Adams backs
:41:09. > :41:13.the Remain argument, it does not mean that the Prime Minister agrees
:41:14. > :41:18.with them. Nigel Lawson, a giant as a Chancellor, he thinks we would be
:41:19. > :41:23.better off outside. As I said, there are hundreds of business people,
:41:24. > :41:26.many of them directly involved in manufacturing, saying we would be
:41:27. > :41:35.better off out, not least because the European Union imposes costs on
:41:36. > :41:39.our businesses. An independent think tank says that we face costs of ?30
:41:40. > :41:44.billion in additional regulation as a result of our membership. Just
:41:45. > :41:47.because the IMF and OECD were wrong about the euro, it does not mean
:41:48. > :41:50.that they are wrong about this, they are crammed with economists and are
:41:51. > :41:54.convinced we would be worse off. They don't have a dog in the fight,
:41:55. > :41:59.they are not anti-British or anti-EU, they are neutral. That is
:42:00. > :42:10.an awful lot of very serious and very intelligent, very experienced
:42:11. > :42:12.people telling us to stay in? As you acknowledge, these are organisations
:42:13. > :42:15.that made wrong calls in the past. The IMF made wrong calls about
:42:16. > :42:17.growth in this economy. We have all made wrong calls in the past, it
:42:18. > :42:20.doesn't mean everything we say should be disregarded now? Does mean
:42:21. > :42:23.we should look at the record of the people making predictions and
:42:24. > :42:27.contrast them with the views of people that create jobs and growth.
:42:28. > :42:31.It is also the case that if we look at the arguments made now about how
:42:32. > :42:44.Britain might suffer outside the European Union, they are all
:42:45. > :42:52.arguments that IRA reprieves -- are a repirse of the audience a about
:42:53. > :42:56.the single currency. We are able to forge trade deals and grow faster
:42:57. > :42:59.than countries in the eurozone. The EU has brought economic and security
:43:00. > :43:02.and massive youth unemployment to countries like Greece, Spain and
:43:03. > :43:11.Portugal. There is fundamental difference between presupposing you
:43:12. > :43:13.can have a currency union without political union, a ridiculous
:43:14. > :43:19.assumption in the first place, some would say, and the single market,
:43:20. > :43:22.which is different? It is not, the European Commission defines full
:43:23. > :43:31.membership of the single market as membership of Schengen. They say
:43:32. > :43:34.that full membership requires you to be in the single currency. More than
:43:35. > :43:39.that, the European Commission and other leaders in Europe have
:43:40. > :43:43.established in the report, anybody can read it, it is clear the
:43:44. > :43:47.European Union wants the referendum out of the way, if Britain votes to
:43:48. > :43:51.remain, it wants to press ahead not just with more countries entering
:43:52. > :43:55.the euro, but with a banking and fiscal union, added once to exercise
:43:56. > :44:01.more control over banking regulation and taxes across Europe. Are you
:44:02. > :44:05.saying if we vote to stay in the EU, the EU will grab control of our tax
:44:06. > :44:09.system? I think there is a real danger if we vote to remain, the
:44:10. > :44:13.fact that the countries in the eurozone have a majority within the
:44:14. > :44:15.EU, means that we could lose autonomy economic live. One of the
:44:16. > :44:22.terrible things about the dynamic within the EU is that the countries
:44:23. > :44:26.that have suffered the most as a result of the euro have not learned
:44:27. > :44:29.any lessons, they want to deepen integration and they have a majority
:44:30. > :44:34.within the EU that means they can impose policies on us.
:44:35. > :44:40.So you think that the deal negotiated by the Prime Minister,
:44:41. > :44:47.supposed to give us special opt-out to set truck, will have the opposite
:44:48. > :44:51.effect? Many things that have been done good, but one of the problems
:44:52. > :44:54.with the deal is that we give up the right to veto other countries
:44:55. > :45:00.progressing towards greater integration, and I think that is why
:45:01. > :45:05.it is one of the reasons it is safer to Vote Leave, because if we do, we
:45:06. > :45:09.are in a position to take the terms in Britain's economic interest.
:45:10. > :45:15.Chancellor of the Exchequer, George Osborne, says that every family in
:45:16. > :45:23.this country will be ?4200 worse off if we vote to leave, and that is a
:45:24. > :45:28.fact. This is one area where I disagree with George. He is an
:45:29. > :45:32.outstanding Chancellor, but we disagree here. It's not whether you
:45:33. > :45:38.disagree, it's whether it is true or not. People are casting around for
:45:39. > :45:44.some handhold or fact. It is a projection. What is a fact is that
:45:45. > :45:48.we give more than ?350 million to the European Union and we hand over
:45:49. > :45:54.control of that money to the European Union every week. That is a
:45:55. > :45:57.fact. The Office for National Statistics say that the rebate has
:45:58. > :46:06.to be taken into account that we get back from that. Two critical things.
:46:07. > :46:10.The EU control both of those things. The rebate can be whittled away. And
:46:11. > :46:17.the money that the European Union spends in this country is welcome,
:46:18. > :46:23.but the EU decides. They control that ?302 million. If we Vote Leave,
:46:24. > :46:31.we control how that money is spent. -- that ?350 million. Should we or
:46:32. > :46:37.should we not be inside the single market? Do you want us to stay
:46:38. > :46:41.inside the single market? No. We should be outside the single market.
:46:42. > :46:45.We should have access to it, but we shouldn't be governed by the rules
:46:46. > :46:50.that the European Court of Justice impose on us, which restrict freedom
:46:51. > :46:57.and cost businesses. We have been focusing on the European Court of
:46:58. > :47:01.Justice today. Before we actually formally leave the EU,
:47:02. > :47:07.post-referendum, we should have emergency legislation to get us out
:47:08. > :47:12.from under the ECJ. If that not breaking our international treaty
:47:13. > :47:16.obligations? We are still inside the EU but we are unilaterally removing
:47:17. > :47:21.ourselves from BBC J. Will that not cause a lot of problems when we are
:47:22. > :47:25.trying to have a friendly negotiation? When we Vote Leave,
:47:26. > :47:30.that is a clear mandate that I am sure the EU will respect. There are
:47:31. > :47:33.all sorts of things we will negotiate with our European
:47:34. > :47:39.partners, in our interests and theirs. But we can take immediate
:47:40. > :47:45.steps to make our country safer. At the moment, the ECJ has interfered
:47:46. > :47:49.with our ability to share data with our American allies. They have
:47:50. > :47:53.prevented us deporting people whose presence is not wanted here. So what
:47:54. > :48:00.Sir John Sawers said earlier is not true? I have the utmost respect for
:48:01. > :48:06.him, but he is flat wrong. The EEC Joe has in -- the ECJ has intervened
:48:07. > :48:10.to say that arrangements that we passed were wrong. So we have to
:48:11. > :48:15.wait for the judgment of the ECJ to decide how our data and our
:48:16. > :48:21.information can be shared with our American allies. I think that is
:48:22. > :48:27.wrong. It is clear that intelligence experts from Richard Dearlove to...
:48:28. > :48:30.Sir John Sawers is an intelligence expert, and he disagrees. He does,
:48:31. > :48:37.but there are others who disagree with Sir John. The head of Interpol
:48:38. > :48:42.says that the European Union's open borders policy is like hanging out a
:48:43. > :48:48.welcome sign for terrorists. Richard Dearlove, former head of MI6, says
:48:49. > :48:57.that EU policy is against our interest. What about Sir John's
:48:58. > :49:02.point, that we only know which bad guys are coming in because we are
:49:03. > :49:07.sharing intelligence across the EU, and that Russells have been
:49:08. > :49:11.incredibly helpful on this? I am Justice Secretary. I know that the
:49:12. > :49:17.information system does not allow us to know whether criminals are coming
:49:18. > :49:22.into this system -- into our country. We only know that people
:49:23. > :49:26.have criminal records after they have committed and offence. We know
:49:27. > :49:34.that the most valuable intelligence sharing we have is with the other
:49:35. > :49:38.countries, Australia, the US, New Zealand and Canada. Intelligence
:49:39. > :49:43.sharing does not work effectively, we know that. Even within Belgium,
:49:44. > :49:47.you cannot get the police and intelligence services from within
:49:48. > :49:51.Belgium to share information effectively. We would be safer if we
:49:52. > :49:55.were outside the European Union, and we didn't have European judges
:49:56. > :50:00.telling us who we can and cannot deport. I am not going to go down
:50:01. > :50:05.the road of the Belgian security services. But what you said about
:50:06. > :50:09.the single market earlier - you said we shouldn't be in the single
:50:10. > :50:14.market, but we should have access to it. Your idea is we should negotiate
:50:15. > :50:21.a new deal to be inside the single market. Do you accept that will come
:50:22. > :50:32.at a price? We have a free trade arrangement. Under WTO rules? At the
:50:33. > :50:37.moment... Why should we seek to impose those tariffs that we have at
:50:38. > :50:40.the moment when we are outside? Once we are outside, we either negotiate
:50:41. > :50:46.an agreement with the EU or we don't. This is a misunderstanding
:50:47. > :50:52.that many people have. If you seek a trade agreement with a country which
:50:53. > :50:56.you currently have tariffs with, you have to decide whether they are to
:50:57. > :51:01.be reduced. If you do not have tariffs, there is no need to wreck
:51:02. > :51:09.them. A German car manufacturing is not going to have tariffs erected
:51:10. > :51:13.if... I do not think that any country in the EU would want to
:51:14. > :51:17.correct tariffs where they currently do not have one. So we would be part
:51:18. > :51:22.of the single market without paying any money in and without accepting
:51:23. > :51:26.free movement of people? If we did that, you would have people from
:51:27. > :51:32.within the Yukon like the French finance minister, saying that if the
:51:33. > :51:35.UK were allowed to do that, the entire project would unravel,
:51:36. > :51:38.because everyone would want all the advantages but with none of the
:51:39. > :51:44.pay-outs. And you just can't have it. If the British people want to
:51:45. > :51:48.vote for a deal that has all the advantages and none of the pay-outs,
:51:49. > :51:53.that would be a great thing. It would be in their interests. At the
:51:54. > :51:57.moment, the Germans and others, the German political establishment and
:51:58. > :52:03.others, I should say, want us to stay in because it suits them. We
:52:04. > :52:07.pay into the European Union, and we import far more from them. It is
:52:08. > :52:13.win-win for them at the moment, and it should be win-win for us. If we
:52:14. > :52:16.leave, it will be. We will. Sending money and have control of our
:52:17. > :52:33.borders. It is 30% of our trade and 3% of theirs. So in proportional
:52:34. > :52:35.terms, it's not so high. It would be very difficult for a finance
:52:36. > :52:38.minister to go to BMW and say that they will have to lay off workers
:52:39. > :52:40.because they want to punish the British for being democratic and we
:52:41. > :52:43.want to direct trade barriers. They will not go to French farmers and
:52:44. > :52:47.say that they can no longer sell wine and cheese to the Brits because
:52:48. > :52:51.they are very upset. So called their bluff, you are saying? It is
:52:52. > :52:56.important to defend our own interests. It will be in Europe's
:52:57. > :53:02.interests if we vote to leave as well. As you have acknowledged, the
:53:03. > :53:05.EU establishment are set on a course of deeper integration, and that
:53:06. > :53:10.course has brought misery to the poorest people in Europe, such as
:53:11. > :53:14.Greece, Italy and Spain. Europe needs to change. Through our
:53:15. > :53:20.renegotiation, we wanted to reform Europe. That hasn't happened, but by
:53:21. > :53:24.leaving, we can make sure Britain is stronger and that Europe changes.
:53:25. > :53:28.Isn't there a danger that if we leave the EU, the rest of the EU is
:53:29. > :53:33.more dysfunctional, more dangerous and lest good for us to trade with.
:53:34. > :53:39.In other words, the Germans want us to stay because they view us as a
:53:40. > :53:44.blip on, free trade country with which they can make alliances
:53:45. > :53:51.against some of the other countries who are different. It is really
:53:52. > :53:56.worrying if the Germans believe, or anyone else believes, that the EU is
:53:57. > :54:00.so dysfunctional and so dangerous that an assertion of democracy by
:54:01. > :54:04.the British nation state means that things come tumbling down. The key
:54:05. > :54:11.question is that they should leave in the Mirror. Things are very dodgy
:54:12. > :54:13.at the moment. We are in a very dangerous situation because of the
:54:14. > :54:20.migration crisis. This could be pushed in a more dangerous direction
:54:21. > :54:25.if we come out now. You do say there is a moment of crisis in Europe.
:54:26. > :54:29.They are going wrong because of Schengen, the open borders deal. And
:54:30. > :54:33.they are going wrong because of the euro. They were big mistakes. The
:54:34. > :54:41.two biggest projects in Europe in the past tenures have been bad for
:54:42. > :54:44.Europe. We can make Europe think again by showing that greater
:54:45. > :54:49.democratic control is in everyone's interests. Let's turn to a domestic
:54:50. > :54:53.matter which is relevant, which is what has happened in Scotland. One
:54:54. > :55:00.of the argument against Brexit was that if the Scottish people voted to
:55:01. > :55:04.leave, the whole UK would be broken. Nicola Sturgeon on this programme
:55:05. > :55:08.has been very clear that her two triggers for another referendum
:55:09. > :55:13.would be a Brexit vote and a majority in Scotland saying in
:55:14. > :55:18.opinion polls that they wanted independence. My question is, if we
:55:19. > :55:22.vote to leave the EU, and if Scotland then once a second
:55:23. > :55:27.referendum to Vote Leave the UK, what should the British government
:55:28. > :55:31.do? If we vote to leave, I think that the union will be stronger.
:55:32. > :55:35.Scottish National Party has grown since we entered the European Union.
:55:36. > :55:41.There wasn't a Scottish Nationalists MP voted in when we were outside the
:55:42. > :55:46.EU. Nicola Sturgeon is not mistress in her own house any more because
:55:47. > :55:50.she doesn't have a majority. Bruce Davidson led the Scottish
:55:51. > :56:01.Conservative Party to success -- Ruth Davison, on the basis that...
:56:02. > :56:19.She won the election -- she won so many seats in the election, Nicola
:56:20. > :56:23.Sturgeon did, and she said that if there was a Brexit vote, there may
:56:24. > :56:30.be another referendum. If we voted to leave, there is evidence
:56:31. > :56:34.suggesting that the Scottish people would be less likely to want to
:56:35. > :56:39.leave. One of the things is an oil price is much higher at the moment.
:56:40. > :56:43.We are veering off. My question was, what would you do? Would you stop
:56:44. > :56:48.the Scots having another referendum? I believe there is no need for one,
:56:49. > :56:52.and Ruth Davison has said the same. Some of your critics in this
:56:53. > :56:56.European argument and accuse you of being the person who leaked the
:56:57. > :57:00.Queen's view about Brexit. I know you have said you did not tell a
:57:01. > :57:05.newspaper about that story, but can I ask you directly if you had a
:57:06. > :57:11.conversation with other people in which you discuss the Queen's view
:57:12. > :57:14.about this, which could have been linked? It -- I am not going to talk
:57:15. > :57:19.about any private conversations I have had with the Queen. Do you
:57:20. > :57:21.accept it has caused embarrassment for Buckingham Palace? I'm asking
:57:22. > :57:25.you are a direct question, and the fact you will not talk about it
:57:26. > :57:29.suggests that you did have those conversations. I'm not going to go
:57:30. > :57:33.there. It is very important we respect the role the Queen has, so I
:57:34. > :57:39.will not speculate about conversations that she has had on
:57:40. > :57:45.any subject with anyone. Your relationship with the Prime
:57:46. > :57:49.Minister. You have been very, very close friends and allies for a long
:57:50. > :57:53.time. We all hear stories coming out of the Whitehall machine that this
:57:54. > :57:57.has been a very, very difficult time for you both, and that relations are
:57:58. > :58:01.frosty at best. Your wives are trying to keep things going between
:58:02. > :58:07.you, but it has been a difficult time. Tell us what it feels like.
:58:08. > :58:10.Every Wednesday morning I help the Prime Minister prepare for Prime
:58:11. > :58:14.Minister's Questions. I think any fly on the wall would tell you that
:58:15. > :58:19.far from being in the deep freeze, these are warm, friendly and
:58:20. > :58:22.good-humoured occasions. The Prime Minister has tremendous generosity
:58:23. > :58:26.of spirit and a great sense of humour. He's made it clear that he
:58:27. > :58:30.would rather I had supported his deal. I've explained I would rather
:58:31. > :58:36.he took a different position. The great thing about him is was he was
:58:37. > :58:39.generous enough to allow colleagues to defer, he was generous enough to
:58:40. > :58:43.accept the nature of the debate. We are lucky to have him as Prime
:58:44. > :58:45.Minister. Thank you very much for joining us.
:58:46. > :58:47.That's all we have time for this morning -
:58:48. > :58:52.Andrew Neil talks to the woman of the moment,
:58:53. > :58:53.the Scottish Conservative leader, Ruth Davidson.
:58:54. > :58:56.Join me again at the same time next week.