:00:07. > :00:15.At last, high noon for Labour. After weeks of indecision, one of Jeremy
:00:16. > :00:19.Corbyn's leading critics, Angela Eagle, has announced that she is
:00:20. > :00:24.running against him for the leadership. It is going to be an
:00:25. > :00:26.immensely bruising, brutal and damaging conflict. Are we looking at
:00:27. > :00:48.the last days of the Labour Party? Jeremy Corbyn now fighting to save
:00:49. > :00:53.his leadership joins me this morning. And the man preparing a
:00:54. > :00:59.British version of impeachment against Tony Blair, David Davis is
:01:00. > :01:03.here to explain how and why. Ukip is planning a huge assault on
:01:04. > :01:07.Labour seats across England. Arron Banks, its financial backer and
:01:08. > :01:13.possible future leader, is here to discuss life at the Nigel. -- after
:01:14. > :01:19.Nigel. And here to review the papers, the
:01:20. > :01:23.former Labour adviser Ayesha Hazarkia, Tim Loughton, campaign
:01:24. > :01:27.manager for Andrea Leadsom, and CNN's chief international
:01:28. > :01:34.corresponded Christiane Amanpour. And then, from peaky blinders to the
:01:35. > :01:41.Deep Blue Sea, Helen McCrory will be telling me about hope, heartache and
:01:42. > :01:46.why she is not moving Hollywood. To 20 years since the band Miracle
:01:47. > :01:52.Legion achieved cult status. They are back and we have got them. So
:01:53. > :01:54.all of that coming up after the news, but first, Victoria.
:01:55. > :01:58.The leader of the UNITE trade union, Len McCluskey, has warned
:01:59. > :02:00.of "lasting divisions" within the Labour party
:02:01. > :02:03.if Jeremy Corbyn is kept off the ballot paper in the forthcoming
:02:04. > :02:07.The former shadow Business Secretary, Angela Eagle,
:02:08. > :02:09.is due to formally trigger a leadership contest tomorrow.
:02:10. > :02:12.It's thought Labour's national executive will meet on Tuesday
:02:13. > :02:16.to decide whether Mr Corbyn can stand without the backing
:02:17. > :02:27.John Prescott, the Deputy Prime Minister at the time Britain went
:02:28. > :02:30.to war with Iraq in 2003, has declared the invasion illegal.
:02:31. > :02:32.Writing in the Sunday Mirror, Lord Prescott said
:02:33. > :02:34.the Attorney General at the time had "provided no documentation",
:02:35. > :02:37.to back up his verbal assertion that the invasion was lawful.
:02:38. > :02:41.He also apologised for his role in the war.
:02:42. > :02:50.Sir Cliff Richard is to sue the BBC and South Yorkshire Police
:02:51. > :02:52.for ?1 million over live TV coverage of a police
:02:53. > :02:55.Officers were filmed searching the singer's apartment in Berkshire
:02:56. > :02:58.in 2014 as part of an investigation into historic sex offences.
:02:59. > :03:00.He was never arrested or charged, but Sir Cliff says the
:03:01. > :03:02."gross invasion" of his privacy damaged his reputation -
:03:03. > :03:09.The UK Anti-Doping agency has launched an investigation
:03:10. > :03:11.into claims three British athletes paid for performance-enhancing drugs
:03:12. > :03:16.A self-styled medic and two Kenyan doctors were secretly filmed
:03:17. > :03:19.by the Sunday Times making claims they'd been paid by British athletes
:03:20. > :03:24.to administer a banned blood-boosting drug.
:03:25. > :03:26.In a statement, UK Athletics said it was seeking clarification
:03:27. > :03:32.Andy Murray will seek a second Wimbledon title when he takes
:03:33. > :03:39.It's the British number one's 11th grand slam final,
:03:40. > :03:41.but the first in which he's not faced either Novak Djokovic
:03:42. > :03:58.A lot to get through. The Sunday Mirror has a genuine scoop, John
:03:59. > :04:05.Prescott has said Tony Blair forced us into an illegal war, using the
:04:06. > :04:13.word illegal, and I think the phone lines to Hull will be throbbing. The
:04:14. > :04:17.Sun has a story about sex abuse or something. The Sunday Telegraph,
:04:18. > :04:20.Tory women turn against Andrea Leadsom as motherhood row deepens.
:04:21. > :04:29.Not a great morning for Andrea Leadsom. Sunday express, mums'
:04:30. > :04:36.theory. The Sunday Times sticking the knife in. The Mail on Sunday,
:04:37. > :04:39.Sir Cliff Richard suing the BBC for ?1 million and the Observer ties it
:04:40. > :04:43.all together with their headline, a general political meltdown, they
:04:44. > :04:49.say. Labour and Conservatives in tone while as apples for leadership
:04:50. > :04:57.turn ugly and Jeremy Corbyn looking very calm -- turn ugly.
:04:58. > :05:01.I am going to start with Andrea Leadsom and her comments about
:05:02. > :05:05.motherhood. Many of us feminists are very pleased that finally, there are
:05:06. > :05:09.going to be two women vying for the top spot but it is very depressing
:05:10. > :05:13.that this has become a row about whether or not you are fit to govern
:05:14. > :05:17.depending on whether or not you have had children. There is a huge
:05:18. > :05:23.backlash against Andrea Leadsom from a lot of senior Conservative women
:05:24. > :05:27.and Anna Soubry, Priti Patel, Ruth Davidson, who doesn't have children
:05:28. > :05:31.and says she has nieces and nephews and like everyone else, have a very
:05:32. > :05:37.real stake in the country. Do you think it is fair everyone is ganging
:05:38. > :05:40.up on Andrea Leadsom over this? I think women pay a penalty either
:05:41. > :05:44.way. If they have children in politics, they suffer a hard time
:05:45. > :05:49.and often get asked if they can cope dedicate enough time. If you don't
:05:50. > :05:53.have children, you almost pay the penalty of why don't you have
:05:54. > :05:56.children? One of the mistakes Andrea Leadsom did make was to contest what
:05:57. > :06:01.was said because Rachel Sylvester, the journalist who did the
:06:02. > :06:04.interview, is a very respected and credible journalist and when they
:06:05. > :06:09.released the transcript, it was even worse, when we heard the full
:06:10. > :06:13.compensation. And you can imagine as a war correspondent, journalist and
:06:14. > :06:18.other, we face all the same issues that many women all over Britain do,
:06:19. > :06:21.whether you are a mother or not. If you have tried and you can't have
:06:22. > :06:25.kids. This is not an in Europe or out of Europe issue, this is grass
:06:26. > :06:29.roots, mothers everywhere understand and I think it shows a lack of
:06:30. > :06:35.judgment, to be frank, whether you talk about the feminist card, it
:06:36. > :06:41.shows a lack of judgment of public life. Tim, I suppose the relief pub
:06:42. > :06:45.??DELETE poisonous aspect of this issue seemed to be suggesting that
:06:46. > :06:50.if Theresa May doesn't have children, she doesn't have as much
:06:51. > :06:55.at stake in Britain's future -- be really poisonous aspect. She made it
:06:56. > :06:58.clear in the interview that in no way was her passion for her children
:06:59. > :07:04.was in no way to be taken as derogatory towards Theresa May. Then
:07:05. > :07:12.why did she say it? She did say she had a better stake of understanding
:07:13. > :07:16.the future. Let him talk. People are fired up and inspired by different
:07:17. > :07:19.things. I am godfather to her eldest son, her children are the things
:07:20. > :07:25.that really fire her up. Andy Murray has said today that the most
:07:26. > :07:29.important thing to him is his family, Izzy criticising players who
:07:30. > :07:37.don't have children? Would be be having this argument if it was two
:07:38. > :07:39.men? We would. In all of the analysis in the Leadsom versus
:07:40. > :07:44.Theresa May battle, it is being suggested it is a culture war, the
:07:45. > :07:48.traditional Conservative right, Iain Duncan Smith and so forth, a bit
:07:49. > :07:53.more sceptical about gay marriage, bit less liberal books about some of
:07:54. > :07:59.the things that came in under the Cameron era and it is a final chance
:08:00. > :08:02.to take back the Conservative Party. There is nothing traditional about
:08:03. > :08:05.Andrea in that respect, it is not about taking control of the
:08:06. > :08:10.Conservative Party. It is a fresh candidate in Andrea Leadsom, who has
:08:11. > :08:15.much more experience outside of politics than all other candidates
:08:16. > :08:19.put together. Did use of the story in the Sunday Times that analyses
:08:20. > :08:22.both of them? We had five immensely strong candidates for Tory
:08:23. > :08:26.leadership and any of them were credible. Labour is desperate to
:08:27. > :08:30.find one and struggling. They bring different aspects and each of them
:08:31. > :08:33.would make a fantastic Prime Minister, I have absolutely no
:08:34. > :08:36.problem as Theresa May as Prime Minister serving her Government, or
:08:37. > :08:40.from the backbenches or whatever. But Andrea, I am afraid the
:08:41. > :08:45.establishment seem to be getting hurt, ganging up. That is a bit
:08:46. > :08:50.unfair because we went through this with the Brexit argument. If the
:08:51. > :08:55.remain camp brought out facts, the Brexiteer is criticised the
:08:56. > :09:01.messengers. The same is here. She said what she said. It was bad
:09:02. > :09:06.judgment. And what she said is she is passionate about her kids. When
:09:07. > :09:10.has it been a crime to be proud of your children? It is never a crime
:09:11. > :09:13.but it is about pro and who is in the best position to take this
:09:14. > :09:18.position and I think the political press need to take the facts and see
:09:19. > :09:26.where the weight lies. I want to ask you policies. A quick question, this
:09:27. > :09:33.is a genuine question, you have Britain first, a far right extremist
:09:34. > :09:36.group who is potentially getting or behind Andrea Leadsom, is that a
:09:37. > :09:41.worry for you. Because this ultranationalist group is very
:09:42. > :09:47.dangerous. We have had a political assassination in this country. Of
:09:48. > :09:52.course they denied... You can't choose the people who support from
:09:53. > :09:55.outside. They are vile, toxic and loathsome people and we want
:09:56. > :10:00.absolutely nothing to do with them. If anybody needs to be deported, it
:10:01. > :10:03.is people with those sort of dangerous and poisonous views. They
:10:04. > :10:08.are trying to make out a campaign for Andrea simply because she is a
:10:09. > :10:11.Brexit candidate. What is the positive message from Andrea
:10:12. > :10:16.Leadsom's campaign and what is it that makes a great Prime Minister?
:10:17. > :10:19.She is a fresh face that made a virtue out of passionately believing
:10:20. > :10:23.that Britain's best future was outside of the EU and she wants to
:10:24. > :10:27.make that work and be in the position to make sure Britain
:10:28. > :10:33.achieves that. All right, let's turn to the other big political story of
:10:34. > :10:36.the day, the struggle for the Labour leadership. Angela Eagle has said
:10:37. > :10:39.she is going to stand, she will formally announce over the course of
:10:40. > :10:44.the weekend or tomorrow, and that will plunge your party, or it was
:10:45. > :10:49.your party, into complete turmoil for a bit? It is very serious for
:10:50. > :10:53.the Labour Party and very serious for British politics. We are in a
:10:54. > :10:56.very difficult climate, we have a Government having a leadership
:10:57. > :11:01.crisis and an opposition which is not functional at the moment, so
:11:02. > :11:05.there was an impasse that had been reached. Those talks clearly broke
:11:06. > :11:10.down yesterday. I think what Angela had wanted to do was give those
:11:11. > :11:15.talks a chance. Clearly they reached failure. So she has indicated
:11:16. > :11:18.strongly... Jeremy Corbyn's people would say Tom Watson brought the
:11:19. > :11:23.House down in order to let Angela Eagle and the whole thing was part
:11:24. > :11:27.of the plot. I don't take that view, I genuinely think Tom Watson did
:11:28. > :11:32.everything he could to get a deal. The future of the Labour Party is
:11:33. > :11:36.very precarious now. We have a Parliamentary party that has ground
:11:37. > :11:39.to a halt. We have a leader that cannot command the respect of
:11:40. > :11:43.Parliament. Yes, the members are important, the voters are important
:11:44. > :11:50.but your MPs in Parliament are important. So I think it is right
:11:51. > :11:52.that Angela is going to launch a campaign because we have to try and
:11:53. > :11:56.find some way forward for the Labour Party. I said right at the top of
:11:57. > :11:59.the programme it would be a brutal and damaging campaign and some
:12:00. > :12:03.people may think why am I saying that? You have some tweets that give
:12:04. > :12:08.a sense of what is being said already. The climate in the Labour
:12:09. > :12:13.Party has become very hostile, particularly against women. There is
:12:14. > :12:15.a lot of misogyny, a lot of homophobia. Angela Eagle
:12:16. > :12:20.particularly is now at the receiving end, having had the temerity to
:12:21. > :12:26.challenge Jeremy. She is receiving quite disgusting abuse. There is a
:12:27. > :12:29.Twitter feed called "Gentler politics" and I cannot read out most
:12:30. > :12:35.of them because they are so vile. Let me give you a flavour that many
:12:36. > :12:37.women in the Labour Party are getting that have expressed views
:12:38. > :12:42.against Jeremy Corbyn. One said to me that these to get together on
:12:43. > :12:46.caucus and talk about the equal pay and childcare and now talking about
:12:47. > :12:50.death threats, rape threats and threats and threats to the family.
:12:51. > :12:55.Some of it is coming from Jeremy Corbyn supporters. You are also a
:12:56. > :13:02.stand-up comic and your new show is about women in politics, will it to
:13:03. > :13:05.deal with these elements which Mark yes, it is about my time in the
:13:06. > :13:14.Labour Party and how difficult it can be for women in power. Great
:13:15. > :13:18.plug for her show. You have a story from the Observer about voter
:13:19. > :13:23.turnout. We are interested in how interested people are in what is
:13:24. > :13:28.going on? The referendum turnout was 72%, the highest turnout in an
:13:29. > :13:33.election since 1992 but a survey has shown that amongst 18-24 -year-olds,
:13:34. > :13:36.the most reluctant voters, the turnout was sickened. It was
:13:37. > :13:40.interesting because people were trying to get young voters on board
:13:41. > :13:51.because they were in favour of remain Mac the. -- the turnout was
:13:52. > :13:57.64%. The last turnout actually was down, most young voters don't go
:13:58. > :14:01.out. The referendum engaged them and got them to go out and vote so there
:14:02. > :14:04.is some hope that democracy is going in the right direction. Two other
:14:05. > :14:09.stories we must do, one is Chilcot and one is Dallas. Obviously, we
:14:10. > :14:14.have all been through Chilcot and we have seen the verdict and it was not
:14:15. > :14:18.a whitewash, it was pretty damning against Tony Blair. He didn't get
:14:19. > :14:22.away with it, so to speak, in the court of public opinion. I would
:14:23. > :14:25.say, having covered the war, the actual war itself was one pretty
:14:26. > :14:32.quickly with relatively few casualties than the post-war. -- was
:14:33. > :14:36.won. The big lesson going forward is the absolutely atrocious negligence
:14:37. > :14:40.by mostly the Americans of the lack of post planning, and I was there, I
:14:41. > :14:44.saw it and I remember reporting the looting and we were told by Donald
:14:45. > :14:49.Rumsfeld, that is not looting, that is the same porcelain vase coming
:14:50. > :14:55.out over and over. So the state office? It was the Pentagon under
:14:56. > :15:00.Donald Rumsfeld, who pooh-poohed any idea of professional post-war
:15:01. > :15:04.planning and failed to recognise and denied the insurgency, and that was
:15:05. > :15:09.really terrible. We are going to talk to David Davis in a moment
:15:10. > :15:14.about what happens next. The other story we absolutely must do is
:15:15. > :15:19.Dallas. The Dallas shootings. I just want to say Marie Colbourne was
:15:20. > :15:24.killed, there is a legal case. -- Marie Colvin. What happened in
:15:25. > :15:28.Dallas is appalling, the killing of the police officers which came,
:15:29. > :15:31.according to the crazy guy, the killings of the black people in
:15:32. > :15:38.Minnesota and baton rouge, and that is becoming a very, very tough
:15:39. > :15:44.situation. So the politics are going to the extreme and you don't want to
:15:45. > :15:46.see that coming here. So this was a fairly bleak news review. Who has
:15:47. > :16:02.the front page of the Observer? Brexit coming, recession looming,
:16:03. > :16:11.Andy, please cheer us up. Wimbledon has Nafferton -- never mattered
:16:12. > :16:15.more. Yes, and as a Scot. Thanks to all of you. That was interesting.
:16:16. > :16:17.Tony Blair faced the judgement of the Chilcot Inquiry
:16:18. > :16:20.on the Iraq war last week, and the findings were pretty
:16:21. > :16:22.damning, on the way intelligence was presented, how decisions
:16:23. > :16:24.were made, and the lack of military preparation.
:16:25. > :16:26.Sir John Chilcot also said that the circumstances
:16:27. > :16:30.in which it was decided there was a legal basis
:16:31. > :16:33.for the invasion, were "far from satisfactory".
:16:34. > :16:36.So what - if anything - should MPs do about it all?
:16:37. > :16:41.I'm joined by the Conservative MP, David Davis - good morning.
:16:42. > :16:49.MPs can't prosecute Tony Blair for an illegal war or anything like
:16:50. > :16:53.that, we don't have impeached as the Americans do in this country, so
:16:54. > :16:56.what can we do? We have been trying to get that through the house
:16:57. > :17:00.authorities for while, but it is impossible, it is out of date, our
:17:01. > :17:05.procedure. I will put down a motion which says Tony Blair has held the
:17:06. > :17:12.housing contempt, bit like contempt of court. By lying to the house?
:17:13. > :17:18.Chilcot does not say that he lied. Tony Blair claims that Chilcot did
:17:19. > :17:21.not say he was a liar, but he was not asked to rule on that, he was
:17:22. > :17:25.asked to look at the war and the causes of the war, not whether Tony
:17:26. > :17:32.Blair lied or not. If you look at the debate alone, on five different
:17:33. > :17:35.grounds the House was misled, three in terms of the weapons of mass
:17:36. > :17:43.destruction and one in terms of the United Nations and the way the votes
:17:44. > :17:46.were coming. He might have done one of those accidentally, but five,
:17:47. > :17:51.five different deceptions on the House? This is a contempt motion in
:17:52. > :17:55.the House of Commons, do you have the numbers to get this through? We
:17:56. > :18:01.don't know. The group that started this were about 20 MPs, from all
:18:02. > :18:09.parties, but everyone I speak to things that there has been a trial,
:18:10. > :18:12.but no verdict. And the House has to deliver the verdict, I have spoken
:18:13. > :18:17.to members of the families and lawyers, soldiers, they all want a
:18:18. > :18:21.verdict and that is what this is about, delivering a verdict on Tony
:18:22. > :18:27.Blair's taking us into that war. When does this happen? I will put
:18:28. > :18:31.down the contempt motion on Thursday this week and if the speaker accept
:18:32. > :18:36.set, and I think the odds are good, because this is public interest. The
:18:37. > :18:41.word is it is likely. Likely to be the next week, but for the end of
:18:42. > :18:48.term. If the Commons votes for the content motion, what happens next to
:18:49. > :18:51.Tony Blair? -- contempt. That is interesting, the government might
:18:52. > :19:00.strip him of his Privy Council. That would be a big deal? It has been
:19:01. > :19:03.done before, Profumo lost that and he was stripped of it, and that was
:19:04. > :19:07.because of a sex scandal, not because of a war in which millions
:19:08. > :19:13.have died and the destruction of the Middle East. Would he have to come
:19:14. > :19:16.to the bar, Tony Blair? That is a possibility, but the House cannot
:19:17. > :19:21.drag in there, if they summon him and he does not turn up, nothing
:19:22. > :19:25.happens. It is a question of persuading the authorities to take
:19:26. > :19:30.the next act. I think the government would have to take this seriously,
:19:31. > :19:35.they did this with Profumo and this is much more serious than that, much
:19:36. > :19:42.more serious. You clashed with Theresa May in the old days but you
:19:43. > :19:49.are now backing her campaign. Andrea Leadsom is a freshfaced is she fit
:19:50. > :19:52.to the Prime Minister? She is intelligent and charming, but the
:19:53. > :19:56.events of last week have demonstrated, she has come under
:19:57. > :20:00.pressure because the leadership contest as I know to my cost, they
:20:01. > :20:04.are pressurised the bar by nothing like as pressurised as being Prime
:20:05. > :20:11.Minister. -- they are pressurised but nothing like. I did not see much
:20:12. > :20:17.about the mother gate instead, but inexperience, regarding that, and in
:20:18. > :20:22.her proposal to trigger article 50 the moment she wins, there are many
:20:23. > :20:29.things which shows she has not got BX periods. She's a junior minister
:20:30. > :20:35.-- she has not got the experience. People talk about the glass cliff,
:20:36. > :20:41.you take a woman into a difficult position, and there is a cliff, you
:20:42. > :20:46.push her off it. Frankly, it is not about whether she is a woman, the
:20:47. > :20:50.wonderful aspect is whoever wins, we will have another woman Prime
:20:51. > :21:01.Minister. You have got to apply the same standards debate. She's lacking
:21:02. > :21:06.in experience? It is not goodwill, it is experience, and that will
:21:07. > :21:09.change with time. But at the moment she is too inexperienced for a
:21:10. > :21:16.really important job at the most important time in our history.
:21:17. > :21:20.Thanks for joining us. As we heard, Andy Murray carries the hopes of the
:21:21. > :21:29.nation again, what will the weather server up for him? Sarah is on
:21:30. > :21:33.centre court. It has been a cloudy start to the day at Wimbledon, a few
:21:34. > :21:38.spots of drizzle, the roof is closed at the moment. We might have more
:21:39. > :21:41.rain in the next few hours, but we can be fairly optimistic that the
:21:42. > :21:45.weather should brighten up in the afternoon and we are hopeful that
:21:46. > :21:51.the roof will stay open for the final later. Elsewhere, humid and
:21:52. > :21:56.breezy feel to the weather, some outbreaks of rain but also sunshine
:21:57. > :22:00.in there, as well. Around 11 o'clock there will be outbreaks of rain in
:22:01. > :22:04.the western half of Wales, brighter skies in the South West, but
:22:05. > :22:08.anywhere from the Isle of Wight to the wash and the south of that, that
:22:09. > :22:13.is where we will see the cloud and the drizzly outbreaks. Further
:22:14. > :22:16.north, brighter skies in the north-east of England, but showers
:22:17. > :22:20.for North West England and across Scotland and Northern Ireland. We
:22:21. > :22:24.are expecting outbreaks of rain, some of those outbreaks pretty
:22:25. > :22:32.heavy, at times. A gusty feel to the weather, as well. The weather will
:22:33. > :22:37.be moving west to ease, so things will clear up, but it is not certain
:22:38. > :22:40.how quickly the rain will clear up. Scattered showers to the north of
:22:41. > :22:44.London across Wales, northern England, and the rain will continue
:22:45. > :22:49.on and off for Scotland and Northern Ireland. Temperatures between 17-22d
:22:50. > :22:53.and things look fresher with sunshine and showers for the next
:22:54. > :22:57.few days but we are hopeful for a dry men's final at Wimbledon. That
:22:58. > :23:01.is good news. Ukip's impact on British politics
:23:02. > :23:03.in recent years is undeniable, and one of the key figures in Ukip
:23:04. > :23:07.is its main donor, Arron Banks - usually described as a
:23:08. > :23:09.multi-millionaire insurance tycoon. He spent millions funding
:23:10. > :23:11.the - unofficial - But his ambitions do
:23:12. > :23:23.not end with Brexit. We are going to talk about the
:23:24. > :23:28.future of Ukip as a party, but one of your targets are those Labour
:23:29. > :23:31.seats in the North East of England and the Midlands, which voted
:23:32. > :23:37.heavily for Brexit. If you look at the general election, there were up
:23:38. > :23:40.to 30 seats the Conservatives won as a result of Ukip drawing votes away
:23:41. > :23:47.from Labour and we have seen the follow-through in Brexit, the Leave
:23:48. > :23:50.vote was very big in Labour areas. You are putting money and
:23:51. > :23:56.organisation into those seats, how many can you win? 30-40,
:23:57. > :23:58.potentially, there is much greater opportunity with the Labour Party,
:23:59. > :24:04.who are disconnected with the voters, and we saw that around the
:24:05. > :24:10.country. Some of the seats, 75% voted Leave. Your campaign, very
:24:11. > :24:24.much highlighted immigration as the big issue, will it be the same kind
:24:25. > :24:33.of campaign? It was Leave EU. Is it going to be an immigration campaign?
:24:34. > :24:36.It is the disconnection between the Metropolitan elite who sneer at
:24:37. > :24:40.working people and we can take these policies back into the Labour
:24:41. > :24:43.heartlands for working people. If there was a moment which
:24:44. > :24:48.crystallised people's worries about Brexit, it was the breaking point
:24:49. > :24:54.poster, with the migrants behind Nigel Farage. I was not involved in
:24:55. > :25:00.that. Did you think it was a mistake? I didn't. In terms of the
:25:01. > :25:02.referendum it was the economy versus immigration and I think it put
:25:03. > :25:07.immigration at the forefront of people's thoughts and I did not
:25:08. > :25:11.think it was a mistake at all. I saw you grimacing when I saw you were a
:25:12. > :25:15.potential leader. You were thinking about putting your hat in the ring?
:25:16. > :25:21.That is just the way I smile. I've not really decided. Probably it will
:25:22. > :25:25.be someone like Stephen Warf or someone else, but I have not
:25:26. > :25:31.discounted it completely. You have strongly backed Andrea Leadsom, she
:25:32. > :25:35.said she doesn't want your money and she doesn't want Ukip supporters,
:25:36. > :25:40.but you think she is essential. You think the establishment will try to
:25:41. > :25:45.stop Brexit? I have had no contact with Andrea Leadsom, but I feel
:25:46. > :25:49.Theresa May, that would be the death Brexit by a thousand cuts. You think
:25:50. > :25:56.she would be betraying the referendum? Absolutely. It is now
:25:57. > :26:01.projects make the media are behind Theresa May and there is a good
:26:02. > :26:10.reason for it -- it is now projects smear and the media are behind it.
:26:11. > :26:14.You think she might not trigger article 50 until it is too late or
:26:15. > :26:18.she would try to get run it and keep free movement? I think she will go
:26:19. > :26:23.for the long way option, what happened in Norway, people were
:26:24. > :26:30.against being part of the European Union but the political elite pushed
:26:31. > :26:34.as much as they can. If Andrea Leadsom wins, many Ukip supporters
:26:35. > :26:40.will simply move to the Tory party. And therefore Ukip's future has a
:26:41. > :26:44.question over it. If Theresa May wins you said you will pour ?10
:26:45. > :26:52.million into reviving the fight against Theresa May's version of the
:26:53. > :26:55.Conservative parties. If Theresa May wins, Ukip will be back with a
:26:56. > :27:00.vengeance, but if Andrea Leadsom wins it will be a different
:27:01. > :27:04.scenario. Maybe a new party? Possibly, and there will be sound
:27:05. > :27:08.reasons for that. If you look at our campaign, we had a million online
:27:09. > :27:17.followers and the social media reached 15 million people a week and
:27:18. > :27:21.we had tremendous reach. Our data 's -- database has many Conservative
:27:22. > :27:25.members. The Conservative Party is a dying party, even though it has
:27:26. > :27:31.100,000 members. I think there is a big opportunity for another kind of
:27:32. > :27:36.party. A new name and a more online party, with fresh faces, taking on
:27:37. > :27:40.Labour and the Tories. Yes, and perhaps direct democracy, the elite
:27:41. > :27:43.have hated the referendum because it has taken power away from them, and
:27:44. > :27:46.I think the idea of more referendums would be fantastic. Thanks for
:27:47. > :27:51.joining us. Two years ago, Helen McCrory's
:27:52. > :27:53.performance as Medea at the National Theatre
:27:54. > :27:55.won her a new legion of fans. Well, she's back at the National
:27:56. > :27:58.this summer, having exchanged Greek A revival of Terence Rattigan's
:27:59. > :28:03.masterpiece The Deep Blue Sea is a study in heartbreak -
:28:04. > :28:05.based on the playwright's I caught up with Helen McCrory
:28:06. > :28:10.recently to talk about the play. But I started by asking
:28:11. > :28:13.about her hugely successful TV role as the Peaky Blinder's terrifying
:28:14. > :28:19.female gang boss, Aunt Polly. It's family only,
:28:20. > :28:28.she's not blood, Tommy. It is men fighting like cockerels
:28:29. > :28:49.that have put us here When the men came back
:28:50. > :28:53.from the First World War, When Tommy comes back,
:28:54. > :29:02.the complexity she must go through, trying to hand over her business,
:29:03. > :29:05.and also to men who have been so brutalised by
:29:06. > :29:06.the First World War. As far as she's concerned
:29:07. > :29:09.they are doing it really badly. They are making constant mistakes
:29:10. > :29:12.and going into other people's turfs. And her ability to on one hand
:29:13. > :29:15.balance the business and on the other hand balance
:29:16. > :29:20.the family and be able to want to expand down to London
:29:21. > :29:23.and abroad and as we are about to see in the new Peaky Blinders,
:29:24. > :29:26.go further and further afield. It means you see why
:29:27. > :29:31.she is in charge. One of the great debates that has
:29:32. > :29:39.gone on, why can't the British produce great, big, multi-series,
:29:40. > :29:40.multi-year epics on television like the Americans do with the likes
:29:41. > :29:43.of Game of Thrones Perhaps Peaky Blinders is the first
:29:44. > :29:50.to break through this way. We have a fantastic tradition
:29:51. > :29:54.in this country of gritty realism And so we should be very proud
:29:55. > :30:01.of them, they are brilliant film-makers
:30:02. > :30:03.and television makers. However, Steve Knight has done
:30:04. > :30:05.something we don't normally like doing, which is
:30:06. > :30:07.blowing our own trumpet He does it, and he does it with
:30:08. > :30:13.a bunch of crims from Birmingham. And now you go to New York
:30:14. > :30:16.and there are hip parts where you will not see a barber
:30:17. > :30:19.without seeing a bunch With the flat caps
:30:20. > :30:23.and all the rest of it. The Deep Blue Sea, the Rattigan
:30:24. > :30:36.play, it is a late play It is darker and richer
:30:37. > :30:42.in some respects. I think the suicide
:30:43. > :30:51.of Kenneth Moore, his lover, that happened three years before
:30:52. > :30:54.this play was first produced in 1952 His lover was discovered
:30:55. > :31:00.in a West London flat Rattigan got the news by telegram
:31:01. > :31:05.and his first response was, burn the telegram, I'm
:31:06. > :31:09.going upstairs to write a play. It is believed he wrote the third
:31:10. > :31:13.act of The Deep Blue Sea that night. He does something very odd
:31:14. > :31:15.by today's standards, he takes a gay story and makes it
:31:16. > :31:19.straight, because of course in the 1950s you could not put
:31:20. > :31:22.on a play about homosexual love, especially if you were
:31:23. > :31:25.Terence Rattigan, in London Whether it was written
:31:26. > :31:30.for a man or woman, the same It is shame about your sexuality,
:31:31. > :31:38.the shame of that, and the shame of running away with a man
:31:39. > :31:41.who is drunk and doesn't It ends on a hopeful
:31:42. > :31:50.moment, you do a bit Because actually what Rattigan asks,
:31:51. > :31:56.right at the end of the play, we have gas all the way through,
:31:57. > :31:59.because it starts with her failed Is she going to gas
:32:00. > :32:03.herself again, that is Right at the end, Rattigan asks,
:32:04. > :32:11.she comes in, and she likes the gas Right at the end, Rattigan asks,
:32:12. > :32:14.she comes in, and she lights the gas fire coming she asks her lover,
:32:15. > :32:16.have you eaten? I asked for a stove to be put
:32:17. > :32:21.into one of the rehearsals. It is the same kind of idea,
:32:22. > :32:26.he says to her, you have got to get Yes, you might be crying,
:32:27. > :32:31.but eat your egg sandwich You live in Beverly Hills
:32:32. > :32:35.and London, is the British television world and the British
:32:36. > :32:38.theatre world is big enough to keep someone like you here
:32:39. > :32:39.permanently? Not only is it keeping me
:32:40. > :32:44.here permanently, it is keeping Scorsese wants to come back
:32:45. > :32:52.because of the excellence of the crews is unsurpassed,
:32:53. > :32:55.I think, anywhere in the world. Actually working in Britain is more
:32:56. > :32:58.flexible now than in America? Which is amazing, in the old days it
:32:59. > :33:02.was completely the other way around. The Kinks got kicked out of America
:33:03. > :33:06.because the union did not Yeah, far more flexible
:33:07. > :33:08.working over here. I was supposed to be filming
:33:09. > :33:14.something last year called Penny Dreadful, which were supposed
:33:15. > :33:16.to be filming in London The next project I'm doing
:33:17. > :33:21.we are looking for studio space And on 1st September,
:33:22. > :33:31.The Deep Blue Sea will be broadcast by National Theatre Live to over 650
:33:32. > :33:37.cinemas across the UK. In a moment, I'll be talking
:33:38. > :33:40.to Jeremy Corbyn but first a brief look at what's coming up on BBC One
:33:41. > :33:53.after this programme. On Sunday morning live, what lessons
:33:54. > :33:56.can we in Britain learn from Dallas about the relationship between
:33:57. > :34:00.police and the black community? Michael grade is going to tell us
:34:01. > :34:04.why he is cracking down on high-pressure funding techniques by
:34:05. > :34:08.charities. And we ask is it fair for transgender women, born as men, to
:34:09. > :34:15.compete against women in the Olympics? All of that at ten.
:34:16. > :34:17.About the national theatre thing, I said December but in September.
:34:18. > :34:19.Two weeks ago the former Shadow Foreign Secretary Hilary Benn
:34:20. > :34:22.was sitting here having been fired in the middle of the night
:34:23. > :34:25.That provoked a deluge of resignations from
:34:26. > :34:27.the Shadow Cabinet and a crisis for the Labour leader unprecedented
:34:28. > :34:32.Since then, Mr Corbyn has done no major interview.
:34:33. > :34:35.But this weekend Angela Eagle has announced her formal challenge
:34:36. > :34:38.to him and a brutal, knock-down fight for the soul
:34:39. > :34:44.and perhaps the future of the Labour Party starts here.
:34:45. > :34:49.Jeremy Corbyn, welcome. All of this started with reaction to the Brexit
:34:50. > :34:55.vote, so a very straightforward question if I made to start with,
:34:56. > :35:00.which way did you vote? Remain. I am surprised you even ask the question.
:35:01. > :35:05.Quite a lot of people around you suggested you have never been a
:35:06. > :35:09.supporter. Nobody ever suggested I would vote anything but Remain, and
:35:10. > :35:15.you are aware of that. Did you do everything you could to get that
:35:16. > :35:18.Remain vote? I worked flat out, street meetings, public meetings,
:35:19. > :35:22.universities, colleges, public places, urging people to vote Remain
:35:23. > :35:27.because of the general direction this country would go if we voted to
:35:28. > :35:30.leave. I am not uncritical of the European Union, as most know and
:35:31. > :35:35.most of the nation are not uncritical of the European Union.
:35:36. > :35:41.Yesterday, I came back from Paris, where I had met the party of
:35:42. > :35:44.European Socialists, to work together with Socialist parties and
:35:45. > :35:48.sometimes governments across Europe on how we work with this and how we
:35:49. > :35:52.have access to the single market in the future and to protect the social
:35:53. > :35:56.conditions we have through the social chapter in the treaty. Angela
:35:57. > :36:01.Eagle has announced she is going to stand against you. Have you any
:36:02. > :36:05.message for her? I am disappointed but obviously she is free to do that
:36:06. > :36:10.if she wishes do. We have worked together in the last nine months in
:36:11. > :36:13.the Shadow Cabinet and this is an opportunity, when we could be
:36:14. > :36:17.putting enormous pressure on this Tory Government, on inequality, on
:36:18. > :36:22.injustice, on poverty and all of the issues this Tory Government... Would
:36:23. > :36:27.you like her to think again, in that case? She resigned from the Shadow
:36:28. > :36:30.Cabinet, we had a conversation after she announced her resignation from
:36:31. > :36:36.the Shadow Cabinet and I would ask her to think for a moment, this is
:36:37. > :36:39.the opportunity of the party to unite against what the Tories are
:36:40. > :36:43.doing, to put forward an agenda which is different to the austerity
:36:44. > :36:48.agenda put forward by the Tories, and gained a lot of ground. We now
:36:49. > :36:52.have a membership of over half a million people. They have joined for
:36:53. > :36:56.a reason, they want to see a party that is active all the time,
:36:57. > :37:00.opposing what this Government is doing. If she does stand, are you
:37:01. > :37:04.confident you can get the 51 nominations to get on the ballot? I
:37:05. > :37:08.am expecting to be on the ballot paper because the rules of the party
:37:09. > :37:12.indicated the existing leader, if challenged, should be on the ballot
:37:13. > :37:17.paper. Legal advice taken by the party says you need those
:37:18. > :37:20.nominations, as Neil Kinnock had to do. Neill should remind himself,
:37:21. > :37:26.that was in 1988, when the election leader was done by the college
:37:27. > :37:31.system. We now have a one member, one-vote system. The rules, in my
:37:32. > :37:35.view, are absolutely clear and I am not sure what legal advice he is
:37:36. > :37:40.referring to, I have not been shown any legal advice. Have you taken
:37:41. > :37:43.legal advice of your own? I have taken much of soundings from
:37:44. > :37:48.lawyers, there are a lot of lawyers about. And they have said you will
:37:49. > :37:53.be on the ballot come what May? Yes. Some will say why should you be
:37:54. > :38:00.treated differently? In the past, Labour leaders have had to show they
:38:01. > :38:04.have the support of the fifth of the MPs and MEPs. That was in 1988, the
:38:05. > :38:08.electoral college system has been abolished. It is now one member, one
:38:09. > :38:13.vote and members of Parliament have a role in that, of course they do,
:38:14. > :38:17.but at the end of the day, the final say is by the members, failures and
:38:18. > :38:21.supporters of the party. If you had to come at you think you can get
:38:22. > :38:27.those 51 nominations? You would be surprised how much support there is
:38:28. > :38:30.out there. I was elected a year ago with a large majority and a large
:38:31. > :38:34.mandate and since then, we have defeated the Government on more than
:38:35. > :38:38.20 occasions in Parliament and we have won elections. I think we are a
:38:39. > :38:41.party going places and doing well. This is something that will end up
:38:42. > :38:45.with the national Executive Committee of the Labour Party this
:38:46. > :38:50.week. If the NEC decides you should not be on the ballot paper without
:38:51. > :38:54.getting the nominations, will you take it to court? I will challenge
:38:55. > :38:59.it if it is the view they take, but I would just ask anyone in the party
:39:00. > :39:03.to think about it for a moment. Is it really right that the members of
:39:04. > :39:07.the party should be denied a decision, a discussion, a choice in
:39:08. > :39:11.this? Half a million people are members of the party because they
:39:12. > :39:14.want the party to succeed. Surely they are the people that knock on
:39:15. > :39:20.doors, deliver leaflets, raise the money. As Neil Kinnock has said, in
:39:21. > :39:23.the end, the Labour Party as a Parliamentary party, its founding
:39:24. > :39:28.constitution is to create and sustain a party in parliament and if
:39:29. > :39:32.you have not got the support of 80% of your own MPs, it is very hard to
:39:33. > :39:36.see how you can be an effective leader in opposition or perhaps one
:39:37. > :39:40.day in Government. Neil Kinnock says that and I have heard him say that
:39:41. > :39:46.on a number of occasions. The reality is the party is a coalition
:39:47. > :39:49.of affiliated unions, socialist societies, individual members,
:39:50. > :39:53.registered supporters and members of Parliament. They have to come
:39:54. > :39:57.together. I have reached out in a way that no other leader ever has,
:39:58. > :40:01.in the breadth of the political views of people high have brought
:40:02. > :40:05.around the Shadow Cabinet table. I am not the one trying to box myself
:40:06. > :40:10.into a corner. I have reached out in the broadest way I could. Let's go
:40:11. > :40:13.back to how this all started, that very dramatic night when Hilary Benn
:40:14. > :40:18.was fired by you in the middle of the night. Why did you fire him?
:40:19. > :40:25.Hilary Benn confirmed to me in a phone call that he had indeed been
:40:26. > :40:28.collecting signatures for some days, of wanting to have a mass
:40:29. > :40:32.resignation from the Shadow Cabinet, because he didn't agree with my
:40:33. > :40:36.leadership. I didn't think that was a particularly collegiate thing to
:40:37. > :40:39.do, particularly as we were involved in the EU referendum campaign at
:40:40. > :40:44.that time. I was the one travelling the country, getting the support for
:40:45. > :40:47.a Remain vote and he confirmed he had been doing that and we then
:40:48. > :40:52.discussed it. And he generously, as I generously said to him, said this
:40:53. > :40:57.really can't go on and so we parted company. Two courteous people. We
:40:58. > :41:03.both come from very courteous families. You parted company
:41:04. > :41:06.courteously but after that, 63 members of your team resigned,
:41:07. > :41:10.leaving you with a very threadbare Shadow Cabinet. There are lots of
:41:11. > :41:13.important jobs you can't even fill and people doing more than one job.
:41:14. > :41:19.This is not an effective opposition in the traditional way, is it? I am
:41:20. > :41:22.saying to Labour MPs, you have a responsibility to represent the
:41:23. > :41:27.party in parliament. We are only any of us in Parliament because of the
:41:28. > :41:34.work of Labour Party members and supporters and Labour voters and I
:41:35. > :41:37.urge them to recognise that, but also, I am keen to reach out. We are
:41:38. > :41:40.going to come together, discussing how we deal with the possible UK
:41:41. > :41:43.negotiations over the next few months of the European Union. There
:41:44. > :41:48.are a lot of policy areas where there are a great deal of agreement
:41:49. > :41:50.but I think the crucial one is the achievement of John McDonnell
:41:51. > :41:54.interning economic policy around and pretty much everyone seems to be
:41:55. > :41:59.signed up to the idea that you invest rather than cut to grow the
:42:00. > :42:01.economy. You haven't got a proper Shadow Europe minister, the same
:42:02. > :42:08.person is doing the Shadow Northern Irish and Scottish job, and he is
:42:09. > :42:11.English. It is going to be very hard for the Labour Party do a serious
:42:12. > :42:13.line by line criticism and opposition and holding the
:42:14. > :42:19.Government to account that it ought to be doing. That is why I say to
:42:20. > :42:22.Labour MPs, get round the table, get together, so we can do the line by
:42:23. > :42:27.line criticism of what this Government is doing. And I have to
:42:28. > :42:30.say, there are very many talented people in the Parliamentary Labour
:42:31. > :42:33.Party and I am disappointed that some of them have declined to take
:42:34. > :42:39.on positions that have been offered. I asked them to think again, because
:42:40. > :42:42.our duty is to stand up for the poorest and most vulnerable people
:42:43. > :42:46.in society and convince the majority that a better society is one that is
:42:47. > :42:51.inclusive to all. The hard truth is that they have lost faith in you
:42:52. > :42:55.personally, and it is not just the Blairites, it is people like Lisa
:42:56. > :42:58.Nandi, Ed Miliband, who was a great supporter all the way through,
:42:59. > :43:03.eventually said it is not working, it is over. These are people who are
:43:04. > :43:06.supposed to be on your side. They have said that MPs controlled
:43:07. > :43:10.everything at the end of the day and decide what we do or not. I just ask
:43:11. > :43:15.them to think for a moment about the very large number of members of this
:43:16. > :43:18.party and people who have joined our party in order to create a better
:43:19. > :43:22.society in Britain, don't they have a right to have a say in all of
:43:23. > :43:26.this? Don't they have a voice that should be heard in all of this? I
:43:27. > :43:33.can reach out and I am very prepared to work with people. I was given a
:43:34. > :43:36.huge responsibility and a mandate a year ago and I am carrying it out.
:43:37. > :43:39.But those MPs have the votes of 9 million British people behind them.
:43:40. > :43:44.Here is Louise Hay, who voted view in the leadership campaign and she
:43:45. > :43:48.said, "I completely respect Jeremy has the mandate, but in order to
:43:49. > :43:55.lead Labour in Westminster, he has to have a Parliamentary mandate and
:43:56. > :43:58.you don't." Lisa Nandi, "The lack of confidence in the leadership goes
:43:59. > :44:02.beyond the small group of MPs who have consistently opposed Jeremy
:44:03. > :44:05.since his election. It has become clear he is unable to form a broad,
:44:06. > :44:10.inclusive Shadow Cabinet that draws on the best of our movement's
:44:11. > :44:16.traditions." Then why doesn't Lisa come back into the Shadow Cabinet? A
:44:17. > :44:21.week ago, she was happily in it, an hour later she decided she wasn't. I
:44:22. > :44:25.have noticed the enormous pressure that has been put, and MPs have told
:44:26. > :44:29.me about this, about a group saying you have got to get out, leave
:44:30. > :44:34.Corbin alone, get away from him. Sorry, we have a Labour Party,
:44:35. > :44:37.Labour MPs have a responsibility to represent our party and I urge them
:44:38. > :44:45.to think about what they are doing at the present time. Surely, the
:44:46. > :44:50.Tory party is in disarray, and unemployment is rising, inflation is
:44:51. > :44:54.rising, this is the time we should be out there doing the campaigning
:44:55. > :44:58.on an economic strategy, very ably put forward by John McDonnell, which
:44:59. > :45:03.does present a real opportunity and a real alternative for the people of
:45:04. > :45:05.this country. People like Lisa are grown-ups and experienced
:45:06. > :45:08.politicians, they have taken their decision for their own reasons and
:45:09. > :45:12.it remains the problem that you don't have a majority of Labour MPs,
:45:13. > :45:17.nothing like it, in the House of Commons behind you. So one of two
:45:18. > :45:20.things can happen. Either you can decide to stand aside and end the
:45:21. > :45:25.problem that way, or eventually, you have to get rid of those MPs who
:45:26. > :45:32.oppose you. You have to have mandatory reselection could get them
:45:33. > :45:36.all out. It is a Democratic party, not a dictatorship. I was elected by
:45:37. > :45:40.a very large majority of members and supporters. I did not have a
:45:41. > :45:43.majority of MPs supporting the at the beginning, I haven't enjoyed
:45:44. > :45:46.that position during the past nine months. I have reshaped to all
:45:47. > :45:52.sections of the Parliamentary party and I would respectfully suggest a
:45:53. > :45:55.little bit of movement to help us develop policies and campaigned
:45:56. > :46:00.against this Government ought to be our priority at the moment.
:46:01. > :46:06.What is the movement coming from you? What have you been offering the
:46:07. > :46:10.rebels? Bring people together and decide how we deal with the complex
:46:11. > :46:16.matter of the results of the referendum, the effects on industry
:46:17. > :46:18.and trade and investment, and the effects on environmental, human
:46:19. > :46:23.rights and social policies in Britain, huge effects. They say this
:46:24. > :46:26.is about Jeremy Corbyn and they don't have faith in Jeremy Corbyn
:46:27. > :46:31.and the way he is running the Labour Party and his office. That answer is
:46:32. > :46:40.not going to satisfy them, is it? Come and talk about it, I've reached
:46:41. > :46:43.out to Labour MPs, I meet with them frequently. You have not done
:46:44. > :46:50.anything about it. How'd you know what I've done? I'm asking you. If
:46:51. > :46:55.you can tell me if you've done something specific to change
:46:56. > :47:00.operation or meet their concerns. Or if it is not working by a certain
:47:01. > :47:04.time, that you should stand aside? Why should I have a limited time and
:47:05. > :47:09.I was elected by a large number of members and supporters to lead this
:47:10. > :47:13.party. If at the end of the day, and election results in a different
:47:14. > :47:18.leader, so be it, but I would be irresponsible if I walked away from
:47:19. > :47:22.a mandate that I was given an responsibility I was given, I asked
:47:23. > :47:26.colleagues to respect that, as well. You have been under enormous
:47:27. > :47:30.pressure, you must have spoken about this with their family, and there
:47:31. > :47:37.was talk that you had a bit of a wobble, could you carry on. You read
:47:38. > :47:41.too many papers. It is all I do. Let me tell you, that is untrue, there
:47:42. > :47:45.are no wobbles and no stress and no depression. Real stress is when you
:47:46. > :47:49.can't feed your kids and real stress is if you don't have a job, we'll
:47:50. > :47:55.stress is if your landlord is going to evict you from your home, that is
:47:56. > :48:00.what real stress in our society is -- real stress is if your landlord.
:48:01. > :48:03.Our job as MPs is to recognise the real stress is people face and try
:48:04. > :48:07.and bring about a society that deals with those issues. You can only deal
:48:08. > :48:16.with that if you win power as a party. Yes. If 80% of your own MPs
:48:17. > :48:30.think they can't do that under you, is partly the fault of that Jeremy
:48:31. > :48:33.Corbyn's question --? I'm happy to accept responsibly, but we have
:48:34. > :48:36.defeated the government on 20 occasions and we have one
:48:37. > :48:43.Parliamentary by-elections, we have increased our foe, we have won four
:48:44. > :48:50.mayoral contests -- we have increased our vote. Every person in
:48:51. > :48:56.receipt of personal independence payments continues to get them
:48:57. > :48:59.because of Labour opposition, the forced Academy was Asian of schools
:49:00. > :49:07.is not happening because of Labour, there is a lot we have achieved in
:49:08. > :49:11.the last year -- the forced Academy issue of schools is not happening.
:49:12. > :49:20.The leadership question, people say to me, Tony Blair, much reviled, but
:49:21. > :49:25.he won a huge landslide victory in the Labour leadership election, to
:49:26. > :49:29.begin with, and anyone another landslide victory in the country,
:49:30. > :49:33.and you voted against him 500 times. How can you then say to the Labour
:49:34. > :49:37.Party, give me the loyalty that I never gave to Tony Blair? I never
:49:38. > :49:43.attacked Tony Blair personally. You voted against him. I voted on issues
:49:44. > :49:49.of the Iraq war and issues of the conduct of anti-terrorism and issues
:49:50. > :49:54.such as student fees and student loans, yes, of course I did. Over
:49:55. > :50:00.quite a long period. I also voted very happy and very proudly to bring
:50:01. > :50:05.in the national minimum wage and the Human Rights Act and to bring in the
:50:06. > :50:09.equalities act, under Gordon Brown. Neil Kinnock had a mandate, as well,
:50:10. > :50:14.you are part of the campaign to topple him. How can you say that you
:50:15. > :50:20.want the loyalty that I did not give to Neil Kinnock? There was a
:50:21. > :50:24.challenge that Tony Benn made in 1988, it was not a success, but we
:50:25. > :50:32.carried on working in the party to try and win the 1992 election which
:50:33. > :50:36.certainly was not possible. Is the victory of the left inside the
:50:37. > :50:40.Labour Party more important than winning the next general election?
:50:41. > :50:44.What is most important is to change the way politics is done in this
:50:45. > :50:50.country, to excite young people and older people into the idea that you
:50:51. > :50:53.can have a society that doesn't divide people and doesn't have
:50:54. > :50:57.grotesque levels of inequality, and that we don't make the younger
:50:58. > :51:00.generation worse off than this generation and their children were
:51:01. > :51:03.soft than us, it is a way of doing politics which has changed partly
:51:04. > :51:09.engendered by social media and movements across Europe and North
:51:10. > :51:14.America, times are changing. The last people to understand that seems
:51:15. > :51:20.to be many of our media leader writers, if I may be so bold. You
:51:21. > :51:23.mentioned social media, but the volumes of view is being held at
:51:24. > :51:30.your opponents by people who say they are your supporters is pretty
:51:31. > :51:36.vile -- the volumes of abuse. No one does while abuse in my name with my
:51:37. > :51:43.support, I condemn it in every way, just as much as any abuse which is
:51:44. > :51:50.held at me or anybody else. People should engage in political debate
:51:51. > :51:56.and not abuse. One of your supporters describes Angela Eagle as
:51:57. > :52:01.treacherous. Another one says Angela Eagle is a Tory supporting weasel
:52:02. > :52:06.and her selfish gang of Blairites. Totally unacceptable. I has broken
:52:07. > :52:13.two MPs who are worried they are being forcibly deselected -- I have
:52:14. > :52:17.spoken to. The mood is very nasty out there. I have made it very
:52:18. > :52:24.clear, debate should be respectful and polite, debate should be
:52:25. > :52:28.political, and I have to say much of the criticism levelled at me by
:52:29. > :52:31.members of Parliament, some of it very unpleasant and very public,
:52:32. > :52:35.that is almost never political, almost never political. They don't
:52:36. > :52:42.say which policy they are not supporting. It is a bit unfortunate,
:52:43. > :52:47.isn't it? It is also the case that momentum has made you its course. If
:52:48. > :52:54.you go onto their website, it does not give you a list of policies, it
:52:55. > :52:57.says they are here to support Jeremy Corbyn and it is your name and face
:52:58. > :53:03.all over it, so you have personalised it in a sense. Momentum
:53:04. > :53:06.has been developed as a way of bringing people into politics and
:53:07. > :53:12.getting people motivated. To support Jeremy Corbyn. Many of them are
:53:13. > :53:16.supportive of what my leadership is trying to achieve in economic policy
:53:17. > :53:24.and human rights policy and foreign policy. All these areas. I hope we
:53:25. > :53:28.can come together and recognise that the solutions out there actually
:53:29. > :53:33.political. Is there any part of you that would prefer to split the
:53:34. > :53:36.Labour Party than stand down? I joined the Labour Party when I was
:53:37. > :53:42.16 and I have been in it all my life, my family... Owen Smith said
:53:43. > :53:47.you would prefer to split the Labour Party than stand aside. I have no
:53:48. > :53:51.idea what he would say such a thing. I've had interesting, philosophical
:53:52. > :53:56.political discussions with Owen Smith week ago and I'm slightly
:53:57. > :54:01.surprised he would go out and say that. I'm happy to have a discussion
:54:02. > :54:05.with him any time, so we can discuss how we take things. We have worked
:54:06. > :54:11.on the steel industry and other issues. A couple of other big
:54:12. > :54:18.issues. Not about your leadership. The Trident vote. How are you going
:54:19. > :54:25.to whip your MPs? The vote is about whether Britain has continuous
:54:26. > :54:32.deterrence at sea and I'm surprised the government has put forward a
:54:33. > :54:38.vote in sense. -- in that sense. This takes away any opportunity of
:54:39. > :54:46.fulfilling the antinuclear treaty. It takes away... Labour MPs will
:54:47. > :54:49.have to vote that done? We will have a discussion about that, there are
:54:50. > :54:52.differences of opinion, but my views are very well-known and the views of
:54:53. > :54:57.others are very known, and there might be MPs voting in different
:54:58. > :55:04.lobbies, but the point I will be making, by maintaining, by having a
:55:05. > :55:08.vote solely on this... It actually reduces the opportunity for having a
:55:09. > :55:11.future disarmament talk surely we want to live in a nuclear free
:55:12. > :55:16.world. It was a Labour government that signed up to the nuclear
:55:17. > :55:21.Non-Proliferation Treaty. Less than half a minute left. David Davies was
:55:22. > :55:26.talking about the Chilcott inquiry and there will be a motion of
:55:27. > :55:28.contempt in the House of Commons regarding Tony Blair for deceiving
:55:29. > :55:35.the House of Commons, how will you vote in that? I urge colleagues to
:55:36. > :55:38.read the Chilcott report in the way that Parliament was denied the
:55:39. > :55:42.information it should have had and the lack of preparations for the
:55:43. > :55:47.postinvasion situation in Iraq. Parliament must hold to account
:55:48. > :55:52.including Tony Blair, those took us into this secure war, that is surely
:55:53. > :55:58.what Parliamentary democracy is all about. A vote for the content
:55:59. > :56:04.motion? I have not seen it yet, but I think I probably would. --
:56:05. > :56:06.contempt. Jeremy Corbyn, thanks for joining us.
:56:07. > :56:09.That's nearly all we have time for today -
:56:10. > :56:13.On the Sunday Politics in an hour, Andrew Neil will be talking
:56:14. > :56:14.to the Labour leadership challenger, Angela Eagle.
:56:15. > :56:17.We'll be back next week when our guests will include Tory
:56:18. > :56:20.For now, as promised - we leave you with music.
:56:21. > :56:23.The cult US band, Miracle Legion are revered by their contemporaries -
:56:24. > :56:28.Indeed, Thom Yorke of Radiohead said that the band "changed the way
:56:29. > :56:32.Miracle Legion came in to the studio recently ahead of their UK tour.
:56:33. > :56:36.Portrait of a Damaged Family is the album - and from it, this
:56:37. > :57:01.# My daddy reached out and he gave me a kiss
:57:02. > :57:09.# I seen him running with a dog or two
:57:10. > :58:05.# He said, "Hey, man, you're too good for Baltimore."
:58:06. > :59:02.# So meet me later at the locker room door
:59:03. > :59:06.# So meet me later at the locker room door."