:00:00. > :00:00.Another Sunday and a new Prime Minister.
:00:07. > :00:09.Theresa May has been setting out how she wants to tackle the burning
:00:10. > :00:13.injustices in British society as we leave the EU.
:00:14. > :00:17.But the message of the last few days, from Nice and from Turkey,
:00:18. > :00:23.is that we can leave the structures but we can't leave Europe.
:00:24. > :00:27.The sheer complexity of the daunting job facing this new cabinet
:00:28. > :00:48.is really only becoming clear this weekend.
:00:49. > :00:50.I'm joined today by the Cabinet Minister Justine Greening.
:00:51. > :00:53.She's seen by Theresa May as one of the key faces
:00:54. > :00:59.As the Tories begin to get their act together,
:01:00. > :01:03.The two people trying to unseat Jeremy Corbyn -
:01:04. > :01:06.Angela Eagle and Owen Smith - are here for the first ever
:01:07. > :01:18.Theresa May's first visit as Prime Minister was to Scotland -
:01:19. > :01:22.almost iconic image there of the new politics in action -
:01:23. > :01:25.but what really happened after the handshakes,
:01:26. > :01:30.Scotland's First Minister joins me later on.
:01:31. > :01:32.Ralph Fiennes and director Rupert Goold will be telling me
:01:33. > :01:37.about seizing the top job, but William Shakespeare-style.
:01:38. > :01:39.And from that torment I will free myself, or hew my way
:01:40. > :01:48.Our review of the Sunday morning news today focuses of course
:01:49. > :01:51.on the extraordinary events in Turkey and in France.
:01:52. > :01:52.James Landale, the BBC's diplomatic correspondent,
:01:53. > :01:57.joins us, as does Benedicte Paviot from France 24, and a woman
:01:58. > :02:01.who knows rather a lot about Tory leaders, past and present,
:02:02. > :02:10.Plus we've got some stripped back roots music from Applewood Road.
:02:11. > :02:23.# Trying to find a way back home.
:02:24. > :02:26.But first the news, with Tina Daheley.
:02:27. > :02:29.In Turkey, thousands of people have been taking part in pro-government
:02:30. > :02:31.rallies, less than 24 hours after the country's leader
:02:32. > :02:35.Turkey is still on high alert but the government
:02:36. > :02:38.Meanwhile, international flights have resumed and the UK foreign
:02:39. > :02:40.office says that the situation in the country is improving.
:02:41. > :02:51.There was a mood of celebration as huge crowds took to the streets,
:02:52. > :03:01.to mark the defeat of the military coup.
:03:02. > :03:02.Turkey's our country, not the enemy's.
:03:03. > :03:04.Erdogan is my leader and I support him.
:03:05. > :03:07.President Erdogan is now using the coup to purge
:03:08. > :03:11.Nearly 3,000 judges have been sacked.
:03:12. > :03:14.And he has called on the US to immediately extradite the man
:03:15. > :03:18.he believes was behind the coup, Fethullah Gulen.
:03:19. > :03:20.He is the former political friend, now turned enemy, who wants
:03:21. > :03:23.to see Turkey returned to its secular roots.
:03:24. > :03:33.From his home in Pennsylvania, Gulen denied any involvement.
:03:34. > :03:36.This was the scene in one of Turkey's most popular resorts,
:03:37. > :03:39.Marmaris, the night before last, as coup plotters tried
:03:40. > :03:40.to find the whereabouts of President Erdogan,
:03:41. > :03:42.but the Foreign Office says the coastal resorts
:03:43. > :03:45.are now much calmer, though tourists
:03:46. > :03:53.There is still some disruption on services to Ankara and Istanbul,
:03:54. > :03:55.but most tourist flights to the south coast resorts
:03:56. > :04:14.Erdogan. The French government has called
:04:15. > :04:15.on twelve to boost security after Thursday's
:04:16. > :04:19.attack in Nice in which 84 people The Interior Minister said close
:04:20. > :04:22.to 100,000 security personnel were already on duty
:04:23. > :04:24.across the country. The MP Owen Smith, will formally
:04:25. > :04:27.launch his Labour leadership campaign today with a warning
:04:28. > :04:29.that the party is at risk A pledge to invest ?200 billion
:04:30. > :04:33.on infrastructure will be Owen Smith is joining his former
:04:34. > :04:36.shadow cabinet colleague, Angela Eagle, in challenging
:04:37. > :04:39.Jeremy Corbyn. Theresa May has said it's very
:04:40. > :04:42.encouraging that Australia is seeking a free trade
:04:43. > :04:44.agreement with Britain. The Prime Minister said her
:04:45. > :04:45.Australian counterpart, Malcolm Turnbull, had expressed
:04:46. > :04:48.enthusiasm for a deal However, the UK can't sign any deals
:04:49. > :04:51.while it is still The search for three men killed
:04:52. > :05:02.in the Didcot power station collapse is to resume after the remainder
:05:03. > :05:05.of the building was demolished Four men died when the plant
:05:06. > :05:08.partially collapsed in February. So far only one body
:05:09. > :05:26.has been recovered. big front page there in the Sunday
:05:27. > :05:31.Times, Turks crush coup and a similar front-page on the Sunday
:05:32. > :05:35.Telegraph, revenge on the coup plot evers, what life holds for the
:05:36. > :05:40.wretched soldier, I dread to think. The Mail on Sunday there with a
:05:41. > :05:44.domestic story, they have been talking to David Davis saying we
:05:45. > :05:51.will send the migrant surge back, that is EU citizens who try to come
:05:52. > :05:58.to Britain before the Brexit cut off line, an interesting interview. It
:05:59. > :06:02.wasn't long ago you may recall we were talking about Turkey joining
:06:03. > :06:04.the EU very soon, I think this makes it much less likely, doesn't it
:06:05. > :06:12.James. Yes, the extraordinary thing so much
:06:13. > :06:16.news this week they have had to come press a lot and had focus on Turkey,
:06:17. > :06:19.the Mail on Sunday takes us through the events in a nice picture
:06:20. > :06:24.montage, what is interesting though, is they focus on what happens next
:06:25. > :06:30.and the great fear... The coup is over, it has been crushed? Yes, I
:06:31. > :06:37.think there are some reports there might be an army base, where some
:06:38. > :06:40.are holding out like Japanese in the jungles after the Second World War.
:06:41. > :06:43.What does President Erdogan do now? The great fear among many
:06:44. > :06:49.politicians and diplomats is this sense that he will use this as an
:06:50. > :06:53.opportunity to centralise power, to concentrate more... Down on the
:06:54. > :06:57.media? There is an extraordinary quote here in the Mail they found
:06:58. > :07:01.from President Erdogan, he said democracy is like a tram, you ride
:07:02. > :07:08.it until you arrive at your destination and then you step off.
:07:09. > :07:12.You step off democracy? The great fear is all the Governments, they
:07:13. > :07:16.are been saying we are in support of, the democratic process, the fear
:07:17. > :07:20.is that Turkey becomes less democratic as a result of what has
:07:21. > :07:24.happened. You have the front-page of the Sunday Telegraph gives a good
:07:25. > :07:28.read through. What they do, they broaden it out, they emphasise that
:07:29. > :07:32.the impact Turkey has on the rest of the world. Not just the Middle East,
:07:33. > :07:36.but on ourself, pointing out for example the impact this could have
:07:37. > :07:41.on the migrant deal, Turkey is the fulcrum of so much. If Turkey starts
:07:42. > :07:46.to fall apart and there is an Islamist up rising, of some kind, if
:07:47. > :07:49.they start to fight each other, then all of the west's policy falls apart
:07:50. > :07:54.as well. The whole thing goes. As well as a key member of Nato, we
:07:55. > :07:57.have this problem of not just the structure, what is happening in the
:07:58. > :08:02.Middle Eastings but the alliance we are part of. What do we think of a
:08:03. > :08:06.fellow member of Nato, whose military stage a coup in this is not
:08:07. > :08:12.what Nato is supposed to be about? Turkey has been a member of Nato for
:08:13. > :08:18.a long time. And... It has had lots of coup, there is a tension between
:08:19. > :08:21.the Islamist part of Turkey and the secular part, the military represent
:08:22. > :08:25.the secular part, when hen they feel threatened, this is what they do.
:08:26. > :08:29.There is precedent to this, but in the past, they have been successful.
:08:30. > :08:34.Not this time. The worrying thing about execution, I gather there are
:08:35. > :08:40.calls in Turkey at the moment to execute. What will happen to the
:08:41. > :08:43.eight men who landed, they have said it was it was a Mayday situation,
:08:44. > :08:48.they landed in a helicopter, they are low down apparently in the army,
:08:49. > :08:51.but they landed in Greece. It will be interesting to see what Greece
:08:52. > :08:56.does about that. The other thing is normally to appear for a President,
:08:57. > :09:01.on face tame would be the kiss of death. -- FaceTime. It is thanks to
:09:02. > :09:05.the internet, which President Erdogan has clamped down on so much,
:09:06. > :09:08.ironically helped to galvanise him to be able to make this call for
:09:09. > :09:13.people to go out into the streets. You are right. This was the first
:09:14. > :09:18.social media coup, where in the old days you had to take over the
:09:19. > :09:24.Presidential Palace. And the radio station and TV station He used it to
:09:25. > :09:30.get back. He sent a text message to every single Turkish mobile phone
:09:31. > :09:34.expressing his side of the argument. This is extraordinary use. They
:09:35. > :09:39.started killing soldiers. And civilians. I want to move on the
:09:40. > :09:43.France in a second, before we do, James, we haven't heard a lot from
:09:44. > :09:47.Boris Johnson, he put out a short statement, early day as well but
:09:48. > :09:52.give us a sense as diplomatic editor of the task facing him. It is a huge
:09:53. > :09:55.task. I have been looking at his Twitterfeed and it is Boris Johnson
:09:56. > :09:59.saying I am doing the job, I have spoken to the French Foreign
:10:00. > :10:05.Minister about Nice, I met the chief minister of Gibraltar, here is a
:10:06. > :10:11.picture of me in the crisis centre. Dealing with the, this is him, as
:10:12. > :10:15.him, dealing with the Turkey crisis. It, them that sizes that the point,
:10:16. > :10:17.that Boris Johnson's appointment really matter, everybody has been
:10:18. > :10:22.saying he is not in charge of Brexit, he is just there to fly the
:10:23. > :10:28.flag. OK, but he is now the man who will be sitting in the room, with
:10:29. > :10:32.Sergei Lavrov, from John Kerry, he is the guy who will have to
:10:33. > :10:36.negotiate the deals with Turkey over Syria, Libya, all of these issues
:10:37. > :10:42.which are going to pile up, and he is the guy there, so I think, there
:10:43. > :10:50.is a huge learning... Writing his book. He said he got half ale
:10:51. > :10:54.million quid for that. When John Major became Foreign Secretary, he
:10:55. > :11:02.has three week, that is not a luxury Boris Johnson has. Amanda, give your
:11:03. > :11:07.preview? It was inspired. If he hadn't been stabbed in the back
:11:08. > :11:11.Boris would have been with Teresa to go before the grass roots and I
:11:12. > :11:15.think he would have won. He is so popular with Tory, that get him out
:11:16. > :11:19.of the country, don't let him be round. Keep him on plane, get him
:11:20. > :11:23.out and doing photo opportunities and you know, and I think he is a
:11:24. > :11:28.great face for Britain. I mean, despite all of these gaffes and the
:11:29. > :11:34.ridiculous things he has said. He is a recoverer. He is. It is a great
:11:35. > :11:40.opportunity for him, but, it will be interesting to see how he discharges
:11:41. > :11:45.that here and abroad. Benedicte, let us turn to the aftermath of the
:11:46. > :11:49.hideous Nice carnage, this is becoming political in France. It is,
:11:50. > :11:55.the significant thing to say is that is unlike what happened after the
:11:56. > :11:59.13th November attacks. And the Bataclan murder. Sorry to break in,
:12:00. > :12:05.reporters said in Paris after that, the mood was one of sadness,
:12:06. > :12:09.solidarity, dignity, whereas in Nice the mood is of anger. It is a
:12:10. > :12:15.different situation, the reality is we live in open democracy, it was a
:12:16. > :12:19.soft target. 30,000 people on that Promenade des Anglais, no-one not
:12:20. > :12:23.only to France and loved by trans but by millions of tourists, you
:12:24. > :12:29.can't put a policeman behind every person. But, there is disquiet
:12:30. > :12:36.because the former mayor of Nice, who is now the President of the
:12:37. > :12:41.region, he, hours after this happened, was making very strong
:12:42. > :12:47.criticism of French President, the French authorities and asking for
:12:48. > :12:53.the resignation, nothing less of the Interior Minister, was Theresa May's
:12:54. > :12:57.counterpart. So in the Sun, on Sunday, you have the just 50 cops
:12:58. > :13:01.were on duty when the city was targeted in the Bastille Day terror
:13:02. > :13:06.attack. This is what he was claiming, so there is disquiet. What
:13:07. > :13:12.we also need to point out is that, the Provence and the southern region
:13:13. > :13:20.is a stronghold for the National Front, the Front National of Marine
:13:21. > :13:25.Le Pen, has scored well. And a cauldron of Islamist extremism: At
:13:26. > :13:31.least 100 people have gone to Syria. The calls to from the internet, we
:13:32. > :13:38.can't underline the role enough, is they are being told don't bother
:13:39. > :13:43.going out, just stay home, use this 19.5 tonne lorry. It is not proven
:13:44. > :13:46.that this was a terrorist attack. This is even more worrying because
:13:47. > :13:52.it's a new kind of terrorism, where you know, you are encouraged to stay
:13:53. > :13:57.at home, basically and it appeals to possibly unhinged people, who then
:13:58. > :14:00.claim, are claimed by the Islamic State organisation. This dangerous
:14:01. > :14:07.loon was one of their soldiers. So they claim. This is the danger. And
:14:08. > :14:12.this actively then divides people, worries people, and clearly, there
:14:13. > :14:17.is grief, but there is also, you are right, anger as what can be done to
:14:18. > :14:22.prevent this. Let us move to domestic politics and there is a lot
:14:23. > :14:26.of big long reads about the week in politics which are worth savouring
:14:27. > :14:30.this week. You will be pleased people can read that. I will focus
:14:31. > :14:36.on this cartoon in the Sunday Times. It is Theresa May, she is Bastille
:14:37. > :14:39.lady not The Iron lady. Wielding this massively bloodstained axe, you
:14:40. > :14:43.can pick out the heads of Michael Gove and George Osborne. I am told
:14:44. > :14:48.it only took her a minute to sack him. With Michael Gove she said,
:14:49. > :14:53.backbenchers, learn the meaning of loyalty and come back again. There
:14:54. > :15:00.is a serious question, is has she been too bloody and too brutal too
:15:01. > :15:03.quickly? There is thatting issing. She has sacked more people than she
:15:04. > :15:07.has a working majority, but you know, there is a kind of excitement,
:15:08. > :15:11.you know, from inside the Tories now now, I can speak partially as I am
:15:12. > :15:15.one, there is a real excitement she is tougher than anyone thought she
:15:16. > :15:18.was going to be, this is a woman who David Cameron would say she is not
:15:19. > :15:22.clubbable. Well what she has proved is she is not part of their club and
:15:23. > :15:27.she is getting rid of the people who are.
:15:28. > :15:35.James, do you think she has been too brutal? She has raised the bar, she
:15:36. > :15:41.has promised Brexit will be Brexit, so the Brexiteers will hold her to
:15:42. > :15:46.account. Equally her promise of acting from one nation values will
:15:47. > :15:54.be treated by the Cameroon as, if you are going to carry on a
:15:55. > :15:58.revolution, we will hold you to account. Whether she has sacked too
:15:59. > :16:03.many of them, ultimately the judgment she has made is I've got to
:16:04. > :16:07.have my own people, these people will be disgruntled anyway whether
:16:08. > :16:12.they are in Government or not. The polls reveal today things like 55%
:16:13. > :16:19.of people think she will be great in a crisis. Gordon Brown had those
:16:20. > :16:25.kind of numbers in 2007. Only one in ten would go to the pub with her. In
:16:26. > :16:30.terms of policies, I think the most interesting thing picked up by the
:16:31. > :16:35.Sunday Express, is the possibility of return to grammar schools. We
:16:36. > :16:40.know as a former comprehensive girl herself she has always had a soft
:16:41. > :16:43.spot for this. A lot of the backbenchers, Graham Brady, all of
:16:44. > :16:49.these sorts of people, they would love this policy and there is
:16:50. > :16:54.already room to it inherent constituency. It would not surprise
:16:55. > :16:58.me one bit, and the Tories would love it. Justine Greening has done a
:16:59. > :17:06.story in the Sunday Times that hints she is interested in the idea. She
:17:07. > :17:15.says, I don't want to set any hares running. Is this British political
:17:16. > :17:20.crisis still playing big in France? Huge, there is fascination at the
:17:21. > :17:23.brutality of the politics, the swiftness in transition, there's
:17:24. > :17:31.fascination with Theresa May. There will be close attention paid to the
:17:32. > :17:36.way she was so ruthless. You have this in 1789 and we have carried on.
:17:37. > :17:42.And it is quite extraordinary how being and reporting for hours and
:17:43. > :17:46.hours, seeing David Cameron exit with his family, Saint Theresa May
:17:47. > :17:51.sweeping in, and the only speech she gave in the end in the campaign on
:17:52. > :17:57.the social justice side, there is some trepidation at how she is going
:17:58. > :18:03.to want to go about Brexit. She talked very soft and it seemed
:18:04. > :18:07.heartfelt, then suddenly comes down. Absolutely. We are almost out of
:18:08. > :18:13.time, just one thought about the lack of coverage of the Labour
:18:14. > :18:16.leadership. It is incredible, the Sunday Mirror have a two page
:18:17. > :18:20.interview with Jeremy Corbyn and you have to get through six pages of
:18:21. > :18:26.Michael Jackson first who has been decade for -- been dead for what...
:18:27. > :18:28.A decade. The political weather
:18:29. > :18:29.has been hot, sticky Political forecasters over
:18:30. > :18:46.the last few weeks have got We are definitely having something
:18:47. > :18:50.of a reshuffle after the average temperatures and the rain so far
:18:51. > :18:55.this summer. Temperatures are going to be soaring over the next couple
:18:56. > :18:59.of days, the heatwave is on the way with temperatures potentially
:19:00. > :19:03.reaching 30 degrees by Tuesday. Today it is warm enough in the
:19:04. > :19:09.sunshine but not everywhere seeing the sun. Rather drab across the
:19:10. > :19:13.north-west of Scotland, outbreaks of rain continuing here. One or two
:19:14. > :19:19.isolated showers breaking out across the far south but it will be
:19:20. > :19:27.isolated. Warm enough here, 26 Celsius, elsewhere comfortable, 21,
:19:28. > :19:33.22. It stays drab with the rain in the far north-west. Tonight it is a
:19:34. > :19:41.dry night, a warm one and it will be hard to sleep with some towns at 16,
:19:42. > :19:45.17 degrees. The patchy rain will continue to linger across north-west
:19:46. > :19:50.Scotland, but elsewhere it is all about sunshine and temperatures
:19:51. > :19:54.soaring, 29 is possible, and we can go even higher than that as
:19:55. > :20:00.temperatures continue to rise. The hot air coming up from France,
:20:01. > :20:02.meaning southern areas could reach 32 Celsius by the time we get to
:20:03. > :20:05.Tuesday. The two candidates challenging
:20:06. > :20:07.Jeremy Corbyn for the Labour leadership face their colleagues
:20:08. > :20:09.in a parliamentary hustings tomorrow, as nominations
:20:10. > :20:11.for the contest officially open. I'll be quizzing both of them
:20:12. > :20:16.in turn, and a little later they'll I'll be talking to Owen Smith
:20:17. > :20:34.in a moment, but first I'm joined Welcome. So far hustings, sounds
:20:35. > :20:37.great. Your Prime Minister, one of the things that might well happen is
:20:38. > :20:41.Nicola Sturgeon says she wants a second referendum on Scottish
:20:42. > :20:46.independence, as Prime Minister you could block that legally, would you?
:20:47. > :20:51.London voted to remain and we are in a situation where we are leaving.
:20:52. > :20:58.Liverpool and Merseyside voted to remain so I think it is important we
:20:59. > :21:02.get... We need to get the terms of leaving right and we have got to
:21:03. > :21:07.have all-party agreement on that, it is an important part of where we are
:21:08. > :21:14.now. Let's see where we are when we got those terms of reference. If
:21:15. > :21:18.Nicola Sturgeon wants there to be a second referendum and thinks she can
:21:19. > :21:22.win it, she has succumbed to the Prime Minister and get permission,
:21:23. > :21:25.my question is would you stop that from happening? I don't think she
:21:26. > :21:30.will because there isn't a majority in Scotland at the moment. We have
:21:31. > :21:34.got to concentrate on getting the terms that we will negotiate leaving
:21:35. > :21:39.right and that's the immediate thing we have to do. July 2015, the
:21:40. > :21:43.welfare bill comes to the House of Commons and you abstain on a bill
:21:44. > :21:49.which reduces the cap for families and gets rid of child tax benefits.
:21:50. > :21:54.Why do you abstain on that? To see if we could actually get some
:21:55. > :21:58.changes during the passage of the bill through Parliament, we all
:21:59. > :22:02.voted against at third reading, that's a perfectly normal
:22:03. > :22:08.Parliamentary process. Jeremy Corbyn voted against it. That's what he has
:22:09. > :22:12.done all his life. We all voted against it at third reading, we were
:22:13. > :22:16.seeing if we could get some change and we have been successful in
:22:17. > :22:21.getting change to other welfare bills. Again you have been under
:22:22. > :22:24.criticism for your Iraq vote and you have explained that under the sense
:22:25. > :22:28.it is probably history, but you have also voted three times against there
:22:29. > :22:33.being an inquiry into the Iraq war. We have now had the Chilcot inquiry
:22:34. > :22:39.and everyone can learn lessons from that. Why were against that? I
:22:40. > :22:44.wasn't against the Chilcot report but there were still troops in Iraq.
:22:45. > :22:48.You have an inquiry into something like that when the action is over
:22:49. > :22:53.and your troops are not in danger. We need to learn the lessons of the
:22:54. > :22:57.Chilcot report going forwards to make sure mistakes that were made
:22:58. > :23:00.over Iraq are never made if we have to contemplate putting our troops
:23:01. > :23:07.into danger again. Particularly organising aftermath properly. So it
:23:08. > :23:13.was a question of timing. Again there was the vote to go into Libya,
:23:14. > :23:16.and you were in favour of that military action. When you think
:23:17. > :23:22.about it, it was a smaller event in a way but we had Iraq as an example,
:23:23. > :23:27.then did the same thing in Libya with the same result, we removed a
:23:28. > :23:34.tyrant and produced chaos. Isis have moved in. Looking back, do you wish
:23:35. > :23:38.you opposed that as Jeremy Corbyn dead at the time? I don't think
:23:39. > :23:40.Libya was the same as Iraq, you have to be part of international
:23:41. > :23:48.coalitions to make sure you have a certain rule of law in the world. So
:23:49. > :23:53.no regrets about that? We went in and made things worse. There are no
:23:54. > :23:57.easy answers but we are part of an international community, part of the
:23:58. > :24:00.Nato alliance, we have to do what we can to make certain we help the
:24:01. > :24:07.world lived by international rules and human decency. You have had some
:24:08. > :24:10.very unpleasant things said about you and some threats, a brick
:24:11. > :24:14.through the window, Jeremy Corbyn has also had death threats but yours
:24:15. > :24:19.have come particularly from the hard left of the party and some people
:24:20. > :24:24.think they come from this group, Momentum. If you are a leader would
:24:25. > :24:32.you make joint membership of the Labour Party and Momentum in
:24:33. > :24:36.possible. I think we need to engage people and listen to our members,
:24:37. > :24:42.but what has been happening recently isn't the kind of gentle politics
:24:43. > :24:46.that we were promised. We have to stamp it out, it has no place in our
:24:47. > :24:55.political discussions. We have got to keep it comradely which is why I
:24:56. > :25:00.launched that hashtag and we will be having discussions in the next few
:25:01. > :25:07.months to keep it comradely. You wouldn't crack down on Momentum...
:25:08. > :25:12.Exactly, I think we need to welcome the involvement of people in
:25:13. > :25:18.politics, that's a good thing. Some people see Momentum as a back door
:25:19. > :25:22.through which an artists, Trotskyists can come the Labour
:25:23. > :25:25.Party. There were some people who were thrown out in the 1990s who
:25:26. > :25:30.have come back into the party, some are behaving in the way we would
:25:31. > :25:34.expect. We have to make sure our Labour Party membership is not
:25:35. > :25:40.compromised by that's, but it is not about Momentum. You have said Jeremy
:25:41. > :25:44.Corbyn has lost the support of MPs and therefore should go, if you lose
:25:45. > :25:50.a vote of confidence in your constituency party, will you stand
:25:51. > :25:53.down? Constituency parties have been suspended for this entire election,
:25:54. > :26:04.there are no official meetings going on. Owen Smith, you have made a lot
:26:05. > :26:11.of your membership in the past of CMD, how will you vote on Trident? I
:26:12. > :26:14.believe the world has got more volatile, I want a world without
:26:15. > :26:22.nuclear weapons altogether but I don't believe we haste that... When
:26:23. > :26:29.did you decide that? About 15 years ago, a long time ago I realised we
:26:30. > :26:32.needed to retain it. The nuclear deterrent only works of course if
:26:33. > :26:36.the Prime Minister of the day is prepared to press the button and
:26:37. > :26:40.annihilate millions of people. As Prime Minister would you press the
:26:41. > :26:46.button in certain circumstances? You have got to be prepared to say yes
:26:47. > :26:51.to that. It was a mistake of Jeremy to say that. I understand it is a
:26:52. > :26:57.terrible thought... He has a principal objection to nuclear
:26:58. > :27:02.weapons, you don't. That's not true, I don't want nuclear weapons. You
:27:03. > :27:06.are going to vote for Trident! But you don't want nuclear weapons, I
:27:07. > :27:10.don't understand. I want all nuclear weapons across the world to be got
:27:11. > :27:16.rid of, I don't think that makes it more likely by unilaterally
:27:17. > :27:19.disarming ourselves. I think the world has become more volatile so we
:27:20. > :27:25.have got to stick with what we have got if that's the advice of the
:27:26. > :27:29.security services. He says in today's papers that you lead the
:27:30. > :27:33.crusade against tax credits, the battle against the welfare bill, but
:27:34. > :27:39.when it came to the welfare bill, you abstained, why? It was a mistake
:27:40. > :27:44.and I regret it. I argued we shouldn't be abstaining on it and I
:27:45. > :27:49.was part of Andy Burnham's campaign, telling Andy he should be resigning
:27:50. > :27:54.on the issue. The truth this it was a mistake, I'm pleased that I did
:27:55. > :27:59.then lead the campaign and change our position. We opposed the welfare
:28:00. > :28:04.bill out right, line by line, I led the campaign on tax credits. We
:28:05. > :28:07.succeeded on getting tax credit reversals overturned, as we
:28:08. > :28:14.succeeded under my leadership on getting the PIP cuts back to
:28:15. > :28:17.disabled people. You say you are a man on the left, a left-wing
:28:18. > :28:27.candidate, would you raise taxes on the people at the top of society? I
:28:28. > :28:31.think we need to completely overhaul our tax system, so yes. The reality
:28:32. > :28:35.is one of the things we have been far too timid about in the Labour
:28:36. > :28:41.Party for a long time is our taxation system. It isn't
:28:42. > :28:46.progressive. So higher income tax for the rich? I would go back to the
:28:47. > :28:56.50p rate tomorrow but there are other elements of taxation, why are
:28:57. > :29:00.capital gains being taxed at 20%? It doesn't seem to be progressive, it
:29:01. > :29:06.is not Labour to have that tax system, I would want to get into
:29:07. > :29:11.that and the benefits system. Angela Eagle was talking about Article 50,
:29:12. > :29:14.if you became Labour leader and Article 50 had not been triggered by
:29:15. > :29:18.the time of the next election, both possible things, would you go into
:29:19. > :29:24.that election saying, as the Labour Party we will not trigger Article
:29:25. > :29:30.50, in other words we will not leave the EU? That would open the Labour
:29:31. > :29:34.Party out of the 16 million people who voted to remain? I would like to
:29:35. > :29:37.be able to say that because I'm proud European and I think we are
:29:38. > :29:44.better off in the heart of Europe. Think it will depend on what we have
:29:45. > :29:48.seen as being the outcome of these Brexit negotiations. In my view
:29:49. > :29:52.people voted with good face on either side, let me finish, but I
:29:53. > :29:56.don't think many people in this country knew precisely what the
:29:57. > :30:00.outcome would be. We now have a period to look at it, determine
:30:01. > :30:04.whether it is what we want. I'm asking something slightly different
:30:05. > :30:09.because we only get the outcome of the negotiations after we have
:30:10. > :30:13.triggered Article 50. If Article 50 is delayed until after a general
:30:14. > :30:18.election, if Theresa May says, I'm going to go for a general election
:30:19. > :30:22.and Owen Smith is the leader of the Labour Party, you could go into it
:30:23. > :30:24.saying, if you elect me I will not trigger Article 50 and therefore
:30:25. > :30:32.there won't be those negotiations. I say again... I am tempted to ask
:30:33. > :30:37.you further, it is very tempting, would you do it? I don't think it's
:30:38. > :30:41.a binary choice. It is. No it isn't. The reality is we don't know what
:30:42. > :30:44.the terms are going to look like. If it is next month and it will be very
:30:45. > :30:48.difficult for the Labour Party, after people have voted, that is my
:30:49. > :30:52.point. We need to come to some idea of what we are getting. I wouldn't
:30:53. > :30:56.go out an buy a car without checking it had an engine. We need to check
:30:57. > :31:01.what we are going to see. Labour under you would go into the
:31:02. > :31:05.negotiations as the Tories are now, after an election, you wouldn't try
:31:06. > :31:09.the and do anything dramatic? No, we need to negotiate right now, I don't
:31:10. > :31:12.think we should accept we are on a definite path out. We need to make
:31:13. > :31:16.sure that people are satisfied with that. We trusted people rightly to
:31:17. > :31:21.take the decision, we can trust them again, in 18 months' time, to check
:31:22. > :31:29.whether it is what they wanted. All right. Thank. Now
:31:30. > :31:43.Speaking of leadrship struggles, Ralph Fiennes is performing that
:31:44. > :31:45.most ambitious of Shakespeare's kings, Richard III
:31:46. > :31:49.His version of the great villain, as directed by Rupert Goold,
:31:50. > :31:53.The production opens with a clever restaging of the moment
:31:54. > :31:55.King Richard's deformed skeleton was removed from under a car
:31:56. > :31:59.When I spoke to the actor and his director, Ralph Fiennes
:32:00. > :32:01.told me what he thought was the key to Richard's character.
:32:02. > :32:04.Why, I can smile, and murder whiles I smile, I can add
:32:05. > :32:06.colours to the chameleon, Change shapes with Proteus
:32:07. > :32:08.for advantages, And set the murderous Machiavel to school.
:32:09. > :32:13.Can I do this, and cannot get a crown?
:32:14. > :32:15.Tut, were it further off, I'll pluck it down.
:32:16. > :32:20.I think the key to him is the first famous soliloquy now is the winter
:32:21. > :32:24.of our discontent, in which first up he unpacks exactly how
:32:25. > :32:26.he feels about himself, about the peace that has just been
:32:27. > :32:35.But he's very articulate about his deformity and how he feels
:32:36. > :32:37.despised, he despises himself, he's not the great lover
:32:38. > :32:46.So very quickly, within the space of 20 lines, he's incredibly direct
:32:47. > :32:50.Of course a lot of Richard is defined by his relationship
:32:51. > :32:57.with the audience, he's very particular.
:32:58. > :33:00.And the play is, without giving it away, folks, one slaughter
:33:01. > :33:04.And you have studied the back wall of this rather delightfully small
:33:05. > :33:06.and intimate theatre with a series of skulls, Rupert, tell us
:33:07. > :33:12.I think when I was working with Hildegard Bechtler,
:33:13. > :33:15.the designer, we were looking at references and looking at the way
:33:16. > :33:18.people memorialise the dead but also we looked at the Khmer Rouge
:33:19. > :33:21.and the Killing Fields exhibits of skulls and how the skull...
:33:22. > :33:23.obviously Shakespeare picks it up most famously in Hamlet,
:33:24. > :33:25.but its potent both with death and ingenuity.
:33:26. > :33:28.So we are sort of trying to create, I guess, an installation of the
:33:29. > :33:45.So this is a play about a king who finds himself,
:33:46. > :33:47.in Shakespeare's time, absolutely on the wrong
:33:48. > :33:53.Do you think it's a play that has relevance today in terms of how
:33:54. > :33:58.Yes, it resonates outside our country with other regimes
:33:59. > :34:01.where we see, you know, we've seen it in South American
:34:02. > :34:03.states in the last 30, 40 years, and I don't
:34:04. > :34:05.think it's gone away, the desire for certain people
:34:06. > :34:12.to come forward and really take power in a really ruthless way.
:34:13. > :34:15.The other thing I think is really modern about it in the way
:34:16. > :34:18.he speaks to the audience, the character is almost bigger
:34:19. > :34:20.than the story, and he speaks in a way that says, "listen,
:34:21. > :34:24.I know things are normally done this way but I'm going to do them
:34:25. > :34:26.differently," and I think that speaks to our politics now.
:34:27. > :34:29.We have these figures like Trump and Corbyn and Bernie Sanders
:34:30. > :34:31.and Boris Johnson, who are able, through the charisma of personality,
:34:32. > :34:34.to be able to speak outside the normal political discourse,
:34:35. > :34:43.I know this is the game and I'm not going to play it.
:34:44. > :34:48.Exactly, and we respect you more for that.
:34:49. > :34:51.There's a great moment, a strange moment in the play,
:34:52. > :34:54.where finally Richard gets his hands on the crown and he doesn't put it
:34:55. > :34:57.on his head, he lays it to one side - why?
:34:58. > :34:59.He's uncomfortable with the weight of the robe and all this gear
:35:00. > :35:05.I think it is a matter of life that you spend all your life craving
:35:06. > :35:07.something, and when you get it then maybe it feels oddly hollow
:35:08. > :35:14.what seems to happen in our version of the coronation is the effort
:35:15. > :35:18.of climbing up steps with the orb and sceptre and robes is sort
:35:19. > :35:21.of physically exhausting for him, so I suppose it's like a sort of...
:35:22. > :35:23.Get rid of, like when you've been out for an evening
:35:24. > :35:26.with a high collar and tie and you want to just...
:35:27. > :35:36.I suppose also maybe the weight of history.
:35:37. > :35:39.You walk up the stairway in Downing Street and you see
:35:40. > :35:51.Are you the right person to be wearing the crown?
:35:52. > :35:55.That's what I always feel when I watch you do it,
:35:56. > :35:58.Ralph, it's a great privilege to have you here, doing
:35:59. > :36:02.You're combining your stage work with a lot of films and I notice
:36:03. > :36:05.recently from The Budapest Hotel to Hail Caesar!
:36:06. > :36:07.to A Bigger Splash, you are doing more comic characters
:36:08. > :36:10.Are you kind of dancing between serious stuff or tragedy
:36:11. > :36:13.on the stage and comedy on film, or is that just coincidence?
:36:14. > :36:20.It's just the way the dominoes have fallen, I think, that it
:36:21. > :36:23.I did Grand Budapest Hotel, Wes Anderson's film,
:36:24. > :36:25.which was clearly a comedy, followed by a Coen brothers cameo,
:36:26. > :36:37.The Bigger Splash was less overtly a comedy but it has a humour.
:36:38. > :36:40.It has some very funny moments, some very filthy moments but some
:36:41. > :36:44.Almost everybody gets their kit off at one point in the film.
:36:45. > :36:56.You have also taken a big role in Bond films, of course recently.
:36:57. > :36:59.Do you think it's time for a black Bond or a female bond,
:37:00. > :37:01.or do you think it's a brand that doesn't need
:37:02. > :37:05.Well, I think it would be great if it was open
:37:06. > :37:10.It would be good to put the cat among the pigeons,
:37:11. > :37:12.but I mean primarily you want to believe that
:37:13. > :37:14.all the essential Bond elements of wit, physical courage,
:37:15. > :37:16.savoir-faire, I think there are certain givens that
:37:17. > :37:26.But I think it should be a completely open discussion.
:37:27. > :37:36.And if you can't get tickets to that production, fear not!
:37:37. > :37:38.On Thursday 21st July you can see Richard III as part
:37:39. > :37:44.of Almeida Theatre Live in cinemas across the country.
:37:45. > :37:46.Here's an image of the new politics in action.
:37:47. > :37:48.Two leaders, two women, meeting in Edinburgh to talk
:37:49. > :37:52.So, did Theresa May bring anything to make Nicola Sturgeon less keen
:37:53. > :38:08.on an early referendum on Scottish independence?
:38:09. > :38:14.From the inside, did it feel different this meeting? It is a very
:38:15. > :38:18.cordial and constructive meeting. I am not going to, I think grab any
:38:19. > :38:23.headline, when I say that Theresa May and I have got very deep
:38:24. > :38:29.fundamental political differences, I think we are at opposite ends of the
:38:30. > :38:34.political spectrum, but if I can be more positive than that, we are
:38:35. > :38:37.women, I think who do business in a not dissimilar way, so that I think
:38:38. > :38:40.opened the way to a constructive discussion, it was very much a
:38:41. > :38:44.getting to know each other meeting, and there are big issues that lie
:38:45. > :38:48.ahead, there are big challenges for the whole UK and within that big
:38:49. > :38:52.challenges for Scotland. I guess at the core she wants Scotland to stay
:38:53. > :38:57.inside the British union, wow want it to stay inside the European
:38:58. > :39:01.Union, is there any short-term room for negotiation in that? In other
:39:02. > :39:03.words one side the European Union, is there any short-term room for
:39:04. > :39:06.negotiation in that? In other words one of your MPs suggested "That it
:39:07. > :39:10.would be possible that you can find a solution where by Scotland remains
:39:11. > :39:15.in the EU, within the UK, there are ways you can do that, and my
:39:16. > :39:20.question is, really? Well, my position is there might be, we are
:39:21. > :39:23.in uncharted territory, when you are in uncharted territory with blank
:39:24. > :39:27.sheet of paper you an opportunity to try to think things that might
:39:28. > :39:30.previously been unthinkable and shape the future, there are
:39:31. > :39:34.opportunity, the positive outcome of the meeting I had with the Prime
:39:35. > :39:37.Minister on Friday, was that she said she was prepared to listen to
:39:38. > :39:42.options that the Scottish Government would bring forward, to give effect
:39:43. > :39:46.to how Scotland voted and we will certainly bring forward option, I
:39:47. > :39:50.had the first meeting with the group of experts have appointed to assist
:39:51. > :39:56.the Scottish expert to assist this task, let us see what we progress we
:39:57. > :40:01.the make. I have never said this can be easy. Let me take a step back.
:40:02. > :40:06.Story to stop you there, to be clear, it is possible, in your view
:40:07. > :40:10.that Scotland could stay inside the EU while England and Wales Brexited
:40:11. > :40:13.out. I don't think that should be ruled out at this early stage, we
:40:14. > :40:20.don't know yet what relationship with the EU the UK is going to be
:40:21. > :40:25.seeking to achieve, which in itself is incredible. But if I can take a
:40:26. > :40:29.step back from there and try to get away for a moment from abstract
:40:30. > :40:34.principles important though they are, Brexit will be deeply damaging
:40:35. > :40:38.for on, for investment, for business, for university, some of
:40:39. > :40:43.the damage is starting to be felt. It will be damaging to our rights as
:40:44. > :40:47.citizen, rights to travel, workers right, Scotland didn't vote for
:40:48. > :40:51.those consequence, we voted by a significant margin to adestroy them
:40:52. > :40:55.to stay in. It is important, that gives me a mandate to see seek to
:40:56. > :40:59.protect that relationship. That is what I will try to do. If it is not
:41:00. > :41:02.possible to do that I have been clear that the option of a second
:41:03. > :41:07.independence referendum is one that has to be on the table. Absolutely.
:41:08. > :41:11.You grabbing that mandate, you shot off to Brussels like a grey hound
:41:12. > :41:15.out of the trap. You arrived there very fast. I had always thought
:41:16. > :41:23.somehow it would be difficult for Scotland to either stay in the EU,
:41:24. > :41:26.or rejoin the EU before an independence round and the UK
:41:27. > :41:32.leaving the EU. Because of the Spanish problem. You had
:41:33. > :41:37.conversation, do you think there is a mood inside the EU, to as it were
:41:38. > :41:40.put aside some of its own rules and act politically to keep Scotland
:41:41. > :41:45.inside? I do think that mood is there. What I encountered in
:41:46. > :41:49.Brussels was a warmth, an opness, a great sympathy to the position that
:41:50. > :41:53.Scotland finds itself in. Nobody was saying to me, and I wasn't assuming
:41:54. > :41:57.that all of this would be easy and there are not significant challenges
:41:58. > :42:00.along the way, I certainly found an openness that to be frank about it
:42:01. > :42:04.the Scottish Government has not found previously, in Brussels, and
:42:05. > :42:08.certain I didn't encounter in the 2014 referendum. Things have changed
:42:09. > :42:12.fundamentally end my job is to do whatever I need to do, to protect
:42:13. > :42:16.these vital interests of Scotland, that I think are at stake. Last
:42:17. > :42:21.question, Theresa May said after your meeting, that she wouldn't want
:42:22. > :42:25.to trigger Article 50 until after parts of the UK felt comfortable
:42:26. > :42:30.with that, which includes you and Scotland. Does that mean that in
:42:31. > :42:35.some sense, you have a veto now over when Article 50 will be triggered,
:42:36. > :42:39.until you are comfortable, the negotiations don't start? Well, that
:42:40. > :42:42.certainly appear to be an interpretation some put on the Prime
:42:43. > :42:44.Minister's remarks after the meeting, and you know, certainly
:42:45. > :42:47.from what she said, after the meeting, I think that puts Scotland
:42:48. > :42:52.in a very very strong position, and it puts me in a strong position, of
:42:53. > :42:55.course it puts a responsibility on my shoulders to think through what
:42:56. > :42:58.the option are, we have started that working, to see if we can bring
:42:59. > :43:03.forward option, that square this circle. You think you have some
:43:04. > :43:06.possibly some veto in your back pocket, should it only do that We
:43:07. > :43:10.are in a strong position, that is a position I am going to use as well
:43:11. > :43:16.as I can, and of course, we are also in a position, I heard Angela Eagle
:43:17. > :43:18.at the start say Scotland has got to accept the UK-wide vote in the same
:43:19. > :43:23.way that London or Liverpool accepted it. Can I point out to
:43:24. > :43:26.Angela Eagle there is a difference between Scotland and Liverpool and
:43:27. > :43:31.London. Scotland is not a region of the UK, Scotland is a nation. If we
:43:32. > :43:37.cannot protect our interests within a UK that is going to be changing,
:43:38. > :43:40.that right of Scotland to consider the option of independence, always
:43:41. > :43:43.has to be there. That in itself will bring challenges and decisions we
:43:44. > :43:47.have to make, that is an option we have to have, if that is what it
:43:48. > :43:48.takes to protect our position. Thank you very much for talking to
:43:49. > :43:52.us today. After a brutal purge
:43:53. > :43:54.of Cameron's Tory modernisers, One of the top jobs went
:43:55. > :43:57.to Justine Greening, who becomes the first
:43:58. > :44:07.Education Secretary to have attended Does it really teal different in
:44:08. > :44:13.cabinet, in terms of culture and so fort? I think it does in many
:44:14. > :44:17.respects. I am proud there are so many state school educated people
:44:18. > :44:21.sat round the Cabinet table, it is full of people who campaigned for
:44:22. > :44:24.staying in the EU, but also critically leaving the EU. It is
:44:25. > :44:28.from all regions of our country, so I think it is a balanced cabinet,
:44:29. > :44:31.and I hope that we can really deliver this agenda that Theresa May
:44:32. > :44:36.has set out for Britain. Let us get on to that agenda, in her speech, it
:44:37. > :44:39.was very interesting and, she said if you are a white, working class
:44:40. > :44:45.boy, you are less likely than anybody else in Britain to go to
:44:46. > :44:49.university, and she made social mobility central to her purpose. And
:44:50. > :44:54.as Education Secretary, you are for England at any rate in charge of
:44:55. > :44:59.social mobility. So can I see if there, any policies behind these
:45:00. > :45:03.warm words, could we start with schools in England, because
:45:04. > :45:06.according to the IFS, as things stand, per pupil spending it is
:45:07. > :45:11.going to go down in real terms by 8%, by the end of this Parliament.
:45:12. > :45:16.We have a new financial regime here, we are no longer going to try and go
:45:17. > :45:21.into spur plus, austerity is being loosened a bit. Do you go back to
:45:22. > :45:25.colleagues and say, an 8% cut for pupils in English schools is the
:45:26. > :45:34.wrong thing for social mobility. social mobility is something that
:45:35. > :45:42.has characterised my personal life as well as my political life. It is
:45:43. > :45:48.something I care about... I would like to stick to policies if we
:45:49. > :45:53.could. Let me come back to your question, but I want to say this is
:45:54. > :45:57.so much more than just about the money. Driving opportunities, making
:45:58. > :46:01.the most of Britain's talent isn't just the right thing to do, it is
:46:02. > :46:06.the smart thing to do for our economy and I'm delighted to be in a
:46:07. > :46:10.department that can be at the heart of driving opportunities. Not only
:46:11. > :46:16.are we looking after schools policy, we also have universities under our
:46:17. > :46:20.wing too, but if we are going to deliver on a country that doesn't
:46:21. > :46:25.just work for a privileged few, working for everyone... Let me
:46:26. > :46:30.finish because this is important. It is more than just about education,
:46:31. > :46:36.it is about what happens at home, in communities, and setting sights
:46:37. > :46:43.high. It is about businesses pulling through Britain's rough diamonds and
:46:44. > :46:45.making the best use of the tolerant, it is about having good teachers who
:46:46. > :46:53.can develop that talent in the first place. These are warm words but you
:46:54. > :46:58.are in charge of education, and of the regime will be less money per
:46:59. > :47:00.pupil, that will impact upon lots of poorer families and people
:47:01. > :47:04.struggling in school who don't have other kinds of support which is why
:47:05. > :47:13.I ask again, would you seek to reverse that 8% cut? The underlying
:47:14. > :47:16.school budgets is seeing a real terms increase, we are injured using
:47:17. > :47:24.a new formula that will be much fairer than the last one. It is the
:47:25. > :47:27.first cut per capita since the 1990s, the IFS says, and a lot of
:47:28. > :47:32.headteachers are profoundly worried about it. We are reviewing and
:47:33. > :47:37.introducing a new schools funding formula that will be much fairer and
:47:38. > :47:45.make sure funding per pupil is now equalised in a way it hasn't been
:47:46. > :47:50.for everybody. My point to you is driving better opportunities and
:47:51. > :47:53.driving social mobility in our country is broader even than
:47:54. > :48:01.education, broader even than something that can change overnight.
:48:02. > :48:06.It is general -- generational challenge. But you are the Education
:48:07. > :48:09.Secretary, which is why I'm sticking with education. There have been
:48:10. > :48:14.suggestions in the paper today that grammar schools could be on the way
:48:15. > :48:19.back and you are open-minded about this idea, is that true? This debate
:48:20. > :48:24.has been going on for very long time. The setting which schools find
:48:25. > :48:28.themselves in has changed dramatically, it has gone from a
:48:29. > :48:32.binary world in many respects to being an educational world in which
:48:33. > :48:36.there are many different schools with different offers. We need to be
:48:37. > :48:40.open-minded but from my perspective and from my experience going through
:48:41. > :48:45.a state school, the times I learned best were when I had great, amazing
:48:46. > :48:50.teachers who could excite me about learning, gave me an interest in the
:48:51. > :48:54.subject they were trying to teach me about, so fundamentally we need to
:48:55. > :48:59.look at what is happening in the classroom, having children there who
:49:00. > :49:03.are ready and able to learn, having fantastic teachers. That's what will
:49:04. > :49:07.be most important and what I will focus on. There are a lot of your
:49:08. > :49:11.colleagues on Tory backbenchers who are desperate to say, do you know
:49:12. > :49:18.what, I think grammar schools were a good thing and I don't mind them
:49:19. > :49:24.coming back. I have been in this job literally two or three days, I'm
:49:25. > :49:29.going to take a very measured, sensible approach. I have a lot of
:49:30. > :49:33.things in my in tray, I work over them carefully in the coming weeks.
:49:34. > :49:38.But you are not closed minded to bringing back grammar schools? This
:49:39. > :49:41.debate has been open for a long time but I also recognise the landscape
:49:42. > :49:46.in which it takes place has changed fundamentally and we need to be able
:49:47. > :49:50.to move this debate on and look at things as they are today, and maybe
:49:51. > :49:55.step away from a more old-fashioned debate around grammar schools, and
:49:56. > :49:59.work out where they fit in the landscape today. The biggest single
:50:00. > :50:02.crisis facing you right now is in universities where people are
:50:03. > :50:09.terrified about the loss of funding when we leave the EU. 125,000
:50:10. > :50:13.European students in universities right now, many lecturers don't know
:50:14. > :50:18.what the future holds for them, all the time they are being phoned up
:50:19. > :50:21.from people in the state trying to cherry pick them, what reassurance
:50:22. > :50:27.can you give them that they are welcome now, they will be funded and
:50:28. > :50:32.the funding gap will be closed? We want to make sure the university
:50:33. > :50:36.system stays world beating. I recognise there are these issues of
:50:37. > :50:41.students and staff. As we set about pulling together our strategy for
:50:42. > :50:46.Brexit, of course those need to be things we reflect on extremely
:50:47. > :50:51.carefully. Britain isn't going to deliver the kind of opportunities
:50:52. > :50:55.for young people if we don't have a thriving university sector so this
:50:56. > :50:59.is clear, you are right to ask me about it. And again, I hope that
:51:00. > :51:03.over the coming weeks we can have a smart approach to Brexit that means
:51:04. > :51:08.we lock in that fantastic university system we have got. 16% of all
:51:09. > :51:13.European funding for research and science currently goes to British
:51:14. > :51:18.universities, if they lose that money, we will lose the departments
:51:19. > :51:22.and jobs that keep us prosperous, otherwise they will be cherry picked
:51:23. > :51:26.from elsewhere. Will you make sure that money which is coming from
:51:27. > :51:32.Europe is replaced by the British government? I recognise all these
:51:33. > :51:37.challenges, whatever path we have chosen on the 23rd of June, there
:51:38. > :51:43.were going to be pros and cons, we now have a chance to work out our
:51:44. > :51:47.game on Brexit. It also gives a chance to look at some of the risks
:51:48. > :51:52.around leaving the EU and work out how we can make sure we mitigate
:51:53. > :51:59.them effectively. You presumably have got to be part of that
:52:00. > :52:04.negotiating team, you have to be in the thick of that. The Brexit
:52:05. > :52:07.department needs to work across government. Of course there are
:52:08. > :52:12.issues around universities. Every department overwhelmingly will be
:52:13. > :52:19.affected by the decision to leave the EU, now we need to get on that
:52:20. > :52:23.decision that people top, approach it in a smart way, make sure we also
:52:24. > :52:30.get on with starting the process of putting in place international trade
:52:31. > :52:34.deals, which is why the Department for International trade was set up.
:52:35. > :52:37.It's about looking at how we change our relationship with Europe, and
:52:38. > :52:45.building trade deals with the rest of the world. Thank you for joining
:52:46. > :52:46.us this morning. Let's look at what's coming up after the
:52:47. > :52:47.programme. On Sunday Morning Live: We ask,
:52:48. > :52:50.do terrible events like Nice Paralympian Stef Reid tells us why
:52:51. > :52:54.a near fatal accident became Hollywood star Jennifer Aniston says
:52:55. > :52:57.she's fed up with women being defined by whether they have
:52:58. > :53:00.children or not. Plus - is the new Shanghai system
:53:01. > :53:04.of maths teaching As promised, the Marr
:53:05. > :53:14.Labour hustings. Angela Eagle and Owen Smith are back
:53:15. > :53:24.with me - together. Angela Eagle, can you tell Owen
:53:25. > :53:30.Smith why you would be a better leader than he would be? I am from
:53:31. > :53:34.northern working-class stock, my mother was a seamstress who didn't
:53:35. > :53:37.get chance to go to university, I did because of Labour government and
:53:38. > :53:42.that is why my whole political mission is to get working class kids
:53:43. > :53:46.the right opportunities to shine and I think that's what I am in politics
:53:47. > :53:52.for. Whenever I have been asked to step up to the plate, I have. I
:53:53. > :54:02.wiped the floor with George Osborne at Prime Minister's Questions, I'm
:54:03. > :54:06.an experienced government minister. Plenty of viewers will have noticed
:54:07. > :54:11.you are not a working-class woman, but apart from that, why is she
:54:12. > :54:15.wrong? She's not wrong, Angela would make a great leader of the Labour
:54:16. > :54:20.Party, she has been a pioneer in our party for a long time and if Angela
:54:21. > :54:25.with a leader, I would serve you with great humility and respect. I
:54:26. > :54:29.think I could also be a good leader of this party. I think we are people
:54:30. > :54:41.who share socialist views. I think maybe it is time to go for a new
:54:42. > :54:44.generation of Labour leaders, men and women. Perhaps in the past we
:54:45. > :54:47.have been too timid around some of the ideas we got in this country.
:54:48. > :54:49.Personally I'm going to argue that austerity is right but we need a
:54:50. > :54:53.plan for prosperity and that means specifics. ?200 billion investment
:54:54. > :54:58.programme, big ideas for the challenges we face. We agree on
:54:59. > :55:05.anti-austerity but I think it is time for a woman. And you gallantly
:55:06. > :55:12.say that you are too old. I don't think I quite said that. Maybe it is
:55:13. > :55:17.time for experience! Do you agree that one of you should be standing
:55:18. > :55:24.against Jeremy Corbyn, not both? You need to decide between you which one
:55:25. > :55:27.it is. I am preparing for the hustings, tomorrow, and I will be
:55:28. > :55:34.putting ideas forward and seeing what happens. I think one of us
:55:35. > :55:39.standing would be better to be honest, but the PLP has got to be a
:55:40. > :55:46.grown-up organisation and decide who it is. So there is no kind of vote,
:55:47. > :55:51.how do you decide between you who is more popular among Labour MPs? We
:55:52. > :55:58.have nominations process, I think it is very clear. That is one way which
:55:59. > :56:02.we could do it or we could make an agreement between ourselves but my
:56:03. > :56:07.view is that whoever commands the largest degree of support in the PLP
:56:08. > :56:11.is the unity candidate and should go forward and take Jeremy on. I think
:56:12. > :56:16.we have to have the person who is most likely to beat Jeremy Corbyn
:56:17. > :56:19.and I think that's me. So you are not standing aside in any
:56:20. > :56:30.circumstances! We are not going to do a deal here. If Jeremy Corbyn
:56:31. > :56:35.does win, would you each serve in his Cabinet or are going back to the
:56:36. > :56:42.same situation we are in now? Jeremy has lost confidence with the
:56:43. > :56:46.Parliamentary party. We may have an early general election, so let's do
:56:47. > :56:50.the leadership election and let's see what happens. But people
:56:51. > :56:54.watching do need to know that if they choose Jeremy Corbyn again as
:56:55. > :56:58.their leader whether there will still be an abstention by the Shadow
:56:59. > :57:03.Cabinet, no one is going to serve on the kind of thing. I'm not leaving
:57:04. > :57:08.the Labour Party for Jeremy Corbyn or anyone else, but I will serve and
:57:09. > :57:14.work with Jeremy if he wins because always we need to serve Labour.
:57:15. > :57:15.Thank you, both, very much indeed. That's nearly all we have got time
:57:16. > :57:16.for. Andrew Neil will be here in an hour
:57:17. > :57:20.with the Sunday Politics, which includes an exclusive
:57:21. > :57:22.interview with Labour Join me at the same time next
:57:23. > :57:26.Sunday, when I'll be talking to one of Hollywood's great stars,
:57:27. > :57:28.Matt Damon. For now, we leave you with music
:57:29. > :57:30.from Nashville, Tennessee. Applewood Road are playing the
:57:31. > :57:33.Barbican in London tonight, ahead They've come in specially
:57:34. > :57:35.for us this morning. This is "Old Time
:57:36. > :57:37.Country Song". # Like an old time country song
:57:38. > :57:55.that's playing on the jukebox low # Picking out these songs unsung
:57:56. > :58:07.and finding my way back to you # All my dreams are runaways
:58:08. > :58:34.chasing after yesterday # It's what I know
:58:35. > :58:47.like the back of my hand # All of the roads that we follow
:58:48. > :59:12.are teaching us to find # They are greeting us
:59:13. > :59:34.and lighting our way # Like an old time country song
:59:35. > :59:45.that's playing on the jukebox low.