:00:00. > :00:07.Just now, the political world seems to be shifting.
:00:08. > :00:09.Everywhere, from left and right, liberals,
:00:10. > :00:15.populations and open markets are under attack.
:00:16. > :00:36.Are we edging after Brexit into a post-liberal world?
:00:37. > :00:39.The Liberal Democrats themselves are back on their heels.
:00:40. > :00:42.On the eve of his party conference, their leader, Tim Farron,
:00:43. > :00:48.We also speak to the new Work and Pensions Secretary,
:00:49. > :00:52.Damian Green, Theresa May's longest-standing friend in Cabinet
:00:53. > :01:05.with less than a week to go in the Labour leadership race,
:01:06. > :01:07.the Jeremy Corbyn enthusiast, Clive Lewis, join us from Norwich.
:01:08. > :01:13.And that fiesty Scottish actor, Ken Stott, has some depressing
:01:14. > :01:24.I'd say do an hour of drama classes a week, and do 42 hours of gym.
:01:25. > :01:32.Because that's how you're going to be an actor in this climate.
:01:33. > :01:34.And we have some lively music this morning.
:01:35. > :01:37.The Nordic Fiddlers Bloc have nothing to do with
:01:38. > :01:49.A stellar cast of paper reviewers this morning
:01:50. > :01:54.a former and now co-leader of the Green Party.
:01:55. > :01:59.And Ukip's former and maybe future leader, Nigel Farage.
:02:00. > :02:02.Plus Sun columnist Jane Moore to help referee.
:02:03. > :02:09.All that after the news, read this morning by Tina Dahealey.
:02:10. > :02:13.An explosion in New York City has injured 29 people.
:02:14. > :02:17.It happened in the Chelsea district of Manhattan last night.
:02:18. > :02:20.The city's Mayor, Bill De Blasio, said it was a deliberate act,
:02:21. > :02:23.but there was no evidence of a connection to terrorism.
:02:24. > :02:29.Witnesses said it was like a volcano going off in the heart of Manhattan.
:02:30. > :02:32.Dozens of people were caught up in the explosion.
:02:33. > :02:35.One person is believed to have serious injuries.
:02:36. > :02:39.fearing there might be other devices.
:02:40. > :02:46.I heard, boom, boom. Boom, boom.
:02:47. > :02:52.We were watching TV, and then there was a huge flash
:02:53. > :03:00.And we went outside to the front porch, and we saw
:03:01. > :03:06.An image of a badly-damaged rubbish container was published
:03:07. > :03:09.by the police, but they refused to say the blast was caused
:03:10. > :03:14.All they would say was that the explosion was caused
:03:15. > :03:19.There is no evidence at this point of a terror
:03:20. > :03:26.It's something we will be investigating very carefully,
:03:27. > :03:30.but there is no evidence, at this point, of a terror connection.
:03:31. > :03:34.The mayor also said there was no evidence of a connection to a blast
:03:35. > :03:39.The FBI said a pipe bomb went off just before a charity run.
:03:40. > :03:44.There are some reports that the first device
:03:45. > :03:47.was concealed in a tool box in front of a building.
:03:48. > :03:54.American and Russian diplomats at the United Nations have strongly
:03:55. > :03:57.criticised each other, following a US air-raid in Syria
:03:58. > :04:03.The White House has expressed regret for what it called
:04:04. > :04:08.The Russians have demanded an emergency meeting
:04:09. > :04:13.The former Labour leader, Lord Kinnock, has given
:04:14. > :04:16.the BBC his bleakest warning yet about the future of the party
:04:17. > :04:19.if Jeremy Corbyn wins the leadership election.
:04:20. > :04:22.He told Panorama - in a programme to be
:04:23. > :04:24.broadcast tomorrow - that he wouldn't expect
:04:25. > :04:28.to see another Labour government in his lifetime.
:04:29. > :04:31.Tributes have been paid to an Iranian cyclist who's died
:04:32. > :04:38.Bahman Golbarnezhad, who was 48, crashed during the last full day
:04:39. > :04:43.of competition and died later in hospital.
:04:44. > :04:45.Overnight there were more medals for Great Britain
:04:46. > :04:50.Paralympics GB now have a total of 147 medals, with 64 gold,
:04:51. > :04:58.It's the best medal haul since the 1988 Seoul Games.
:04:59. > :05:03.The next news on BBC One will be at 12.15.
:05:04. > :05:21.The Mail on Sunday says an anarchist group has smuggled a Syrian migrant
:05:22. > :05:26.into Britain on Ryanair - a pretty difficult way to enter the country!
:05:27. > :05:32.It says that Lord Mountbatten has come out as gay. A story about
:05:33. > :05:38.Ritter soldiers facing prosecution over the Iraq war. A new group
:05:39. > :05:45.saying that Leave means leave. Tory MPs have campaigned -- have formed a
:05:46. > :05:52.new group to campaign inside the party. And the scandal of war vets
:05:53. > :05:56.and vanished Charity funds. Big headed babies are the brightest, it
:05:57. > :06:02.says, particularly if they have very big ears! And Jeremy Corbyn's plans
:06:03. > :06:06.to shift the party further to the left if he wins that leadership
:06:07. > :06:09.election at the end of the week. Labour members may be able to choose
:06:10. > :06:12.Shadow Cabinet members. But before we dive into the papers
:06:13. > :06:16.in detail, I just want to highlight a interesting theme crackling
:06:17. > :06:18.through these pages and which - one way or another -
:06:19. > :06:20.we're going to be talking From John Major and Tony Blair
:06:21. > :06:25.to David Cameron, top politicians hunkered round a belief
:06:26. > :06:29.in economic liberalism - free markets, open borders,
:06:30. > :06:33.huge movements of money and people across Europe and the world,
:06:34. > :06:38.the great disruption of our age. But now, with a new more
:06:39. > :06:41.conservative mood under Theresa May in Downing Street,
:06:42. > :06:43.and Labour moving sharply to the left,
:06:44. > :06:46.that consensus seems to be over. If so, it's a big turning point
:06:47. > :06:51.in our national life. Nigel Farage, Caroline Lucas,
:06:52. > :07:03.is that how you see it? I think there is a big change going
:07:04. > :07:08.on, not just in Britain but across the West. It all depends what
:07:09. > :07:13.liberalism means to you. I look at it as a metropolitan elite, backed
:07:14. > :07:19.by big business, who are increasingly out of touch with
:07:20. > :07:24.normal voters. Exit, in a way, was the first big fight back against
:07:25. > :07:29.that. -- Brexit. I suspect we will see big shocks across Europe and in
:07:30. > :07:37.the US. I don't think it is about values about environmental issues
:07:38. > :07:41.and someone. Those are key values across our society, which will
:07:42. > :07:52.continue. Let's dive into the papers proper. Headlined their says it all.
:07:53. > :07:58.Caroline makes a swift exit as PM and buries his political legacy. I'm
:07:59. > :08:03.interested in how quickly history is being rewritten. Part of this piece
:08:04. > :08:09.in the Observer says that Cameron has quite a benign, cuddly liberal
:08:10. > :08:13.conservatism, and now Theresa May is coming in with something more
:08:14. > :08:19.radical. But under David Cameron we saw a massive reduction in the size
:08:20. > :08:24.of the state, welfare rolled back, the privatisation of the NHS, and
:08:25. > :08:28.austerity. Although Cameron had a different language about it, we
:08:29. > :08:34.shouldn't imagine it was so different. Theresa May has said over
:08:35. > :08:39.and over that she wants to work with the hard-working people of society.
:08:40. > :08:43.But the big crunch is going to be over Brexit. Nigel Farage, I
:08:44. > :08:50.mentioned this leave means leave group. Nick Clegg, of all people,
:08:51. > :08:53.predicting a huge fight in government over soft Brexit against
:08:54. > :08:59.hard Brexit, and the whole thing falling apart. Nick Clegg is busy
:09:00. > :09:04.today. He's written this and other articles. It is partly the Liberal
:09:05. > :09:09.Democrats wanting to be relevant and the King for voter base among
:09:10. > :09:14.hardline remainers. I do agree with Nick Clegg that it is clear that the
:09:15. > :09:18.European Union, even though it's not in their interests, are going to
:09:19. > :09:23.start off negotiations by saying that you will not have free access
:09:24. > :09:29.and less you accept the free movement of people. In the last
:09:30. > :09:33.weekend, the Home Secretary, Amber Rudd, was saying all sorts of
:09:34. > :09:39.extraordinary things, like it might cost us ?50 to go to Calais for a
:09:40. > :09:43.day trip. Clearly not right. I felt she was still fighting the
:09:44. > :09:47.referendum. But David Davis this week said that if there is no deal,
:09:48. > :09:54.so what. I do think that Nick Clegg is right over the fact that this
:09:55. > :09:59.issue has the potential to split the conservative cabinet dramatically.
:10:00. > :10:05.Meanwhile, there are ordinary voters wondering what to do next. Barbara
:10:06. > :10:10.Ellen in the Observer has an interesting thought. She sums up the
:10:11. > :10:15.mood along -- among lifelong Labour voters. She says that a Corbyn
:10:16. > :10:19.victory is a strangely liberating feeling, but possibly not for the
:10:20. > :10:29.reasons he would like. She's basically saying, she calls it
:10:30. > :10:35.meaningless neo- hipster drivel. Generally not in favour. She says
:10:36. > :10:39.enough is enough, now it is the 11th hour, and a different mood has
:10:40. > :10:48.landed. What else is out there, she says? Will she vote Tory? Probably
:10:49. > :10:52.not. She seems to be going for the idea that the Labour Party will
:10:53. > :11:00.split. The Liberal Democrats are the areas far down the polls, below 8%
:11:01. > :11:04.in some. There is a big Sunday Times investigation done with Dispatches
:11:05. > :11:09.about whether momentum is digging in with the Labour Party all across
:11:10. > :11:15.Britain. They have used secret cameras, but they probably didn't
:11:16. > :11:19.have to look far to find this sort of activity. Momentum, the
:11:20. > :11:26.activists, the people that Neil Kinnock did so well crushing in his
:11:27. > :11:31.time, are rising up again. Dispatches has done this undercover
:11:32. > :11:36.investigation. It says that Tom Watson, who is in the middle of all
:11:37. > :11:42.this, has called Momentum a rabble. Dispatches is saying they are very
:11:43. > :11:46.well organised, very ambitious, and they have plans to put a Labour
:11:47. > :11:52.engagement officer in every local party. At the careful with these
:11:53. > :11:56.labels. Lots of people who have joined Labour are genuinely excited
:11:57. > :12:01.about what could be a different part -- party politics. And the idea that
:12:02. > :12:06.MPs should we stand again for selection before they stand as an MP
:12:07. > :12:11.again, that is common sense. That is democracy and it happens with the
:12:12. > :12:15.Greens all the time. But surely the idea is that they want to get
:12:16. > :12:22.elected, otherwise it's just a different kind of student policy. It
:12:23. > :12:27.has no impact. But there is a big disconnect here. There is big Labour
:12:28. > :12:31.going on, and clearly some pretty hard left figures wanting to get the
:12:32. > :12:36.moderate out. Over half the Labour voters voted for Brexit. There is
:12:37. > :12:43.nothing in today's Labour Party speaking to those people. It was the
:12:44. > :12:46.effect that Ukip had on the Labour Party in the last election, which
:12:47. > :12:52.made a big difference in terms of the Tories getting a majority. I
:12:53. > :12:58.have retired now, but I have a feeling... I have a feeling that
:12:59. > :13:03.everything that is going on here, potentially, gives Ukip a real
:13:04. > :13:11.opportunity with the Labour Party. Your comrades in arms and funder,
:13:12. > :13:19.Alan Banks, has talked about Ukip becoming a mass popular movement, a
:13:20. > :13:22.bit like Momentum. When you see how Momentum is operating, do you feel a
:13:23. > :13:26.bit jealous, and feel like it is the kind of thing you are going to be
:13:27. > :13:32.doing? I think it is exactly the sort of thing we will be doing. That
:13:33. > :13:37.is what Alan Banks intends to do. The five Star Movement in Italy is a
:13:38. > :13:43.completely online political party. There is a very new kind of politics
:13:44. > :13:47.out there. You just said that you had resigned, but you are having
:13:48. > :13:56.some influence Thom due be the sort of Ted Heath of Ukip? Perish the
:13:57. > :14:02.thought! You seem to be saying a lot about the new order. I am going to
:14:03. > :14:05.go on as an MEP. I lead a group in the European Parliament, so I will
:14:06. > :14:10.go on with my helpful contributions over there. We have a new leader,
:14:11. > :14:16.Diane James, and I am going to let her get on with it. Now, let's move
:14:17. > :14:22.to another story you have chosen here, Caroline. A big global story.
:14:23. > :14:24.65 million people are displaced, 20 million people are fleeing for their
:14:25. > :14:42.lives. This is a map of the world, and the
:14:43. > :14:44.red routes where the migrants are moving. It is interesting here. You
:14:45. > :14:47.go through the countries where they are running from, and they all have
:14:48. > :14:50.big wars going on. It is absolutely about war. It is about abuse of
:14:51. > :14:53.human rights in places like Eritrea. And with climate change coming soon,
:14:54. > :14:57.it will mean even more people on the move. It is about to some it's
:14:58. > :15:01.coming up and real concerns this week. The countries are not facing
:15:02. > :15:06.up to their responsibilities. David Cameron had a summit for people to
:15:07. > :15:10.give finance towards the Syrian refugee crisis, but only a six of
:15:11. > :15:17.the money that was pledged has been given. There was a big march in
:15:18. > :15:23.London yesterday. The message is, you promised to help these three
:15:24. > :15:29.without -- these 3000 unaccompanied children in Calais. This is a story
:15:30. > :15:33.about a magnitude of a challenge and a paucity of a political response.
:15:34. > :15:38.And it is changes to the places where these migrants are going. You
:15:39. > :15:42.have been standing alongside Donald Trump, talking about his wall. What
:15:43. > :15:50.did you make of him, up close and personal?
:15:51. > :15:58.Here's a reality TV star, he makes brash statement and gets publicity,
:15:59. > :16:09.that's what he does. On one on one, I him interact with people, and he's
:16:10. > :16:15.very good with people. He seems less... He has had media training, I
:16:16. > :16:19.think. They have got him on message of it, he has been much better over
:16:20. > :16:24.the course of the last month and I believe he is on course to win. And
:16:25. > :16:28.you have a story about Hungary because they will be holding a
:16:29. > :16:34.referendum on no refugees at all being allowed into Hungary. The 2nd
:16:35. > :16:37.of October is a big day, you have that referendum and a rerun of the
:16:38. > :16:46.Austrian Presidency and the freedom party, a pretty hard right party,
:16:47. > :16:52.favourites to win that. In the last opinion polls I saw, his party was
:16:53. > :16:58.on 47% so he has a massive, clear, huge level of support. He is saying
:16:59. > :17:03.we will not pay for Angela Merkel's mistakes. Angela Merkel said we can
:17:04. > :17:10.cope with as many people as come, they have said that each country
:17:11. > :17:14.that is part of Schengen has got to take quotas, they are not going to
:17:15. > :17:19.do it. You are a man of the right, are you worried about how the Right
:17:20. > :17:27.has developed in eastern Europe? Yes, frankly some of the movements
:17:28. > :17:31.there are pretty scary. It may be that the EU doesn't exist because
:17:32. > :17:35.quite honestly the row that is going on between Germany and those eastern
:17:36. > :17:41.countries over migrants and quotas I think is the most serious crisis the
:17:42. > :17:48.EU will face. Jane, you have another story, Hillary Clinton. Going back
:17:49. > :17:53.to Donald, who has had media training, Donald, don't be yourself,
:17:54. > :18:03.is what they said I have think. I love this picture regarding
:18:04. > :18:08.pneumonia being infectious. The phrase in America is, we are country
:18:09. > :18:11.of 300 million and this is the best we can do? People saying, I will
:18:12. > :18:18.vote for Hillary Clinton because I don't like Trump. Let's scuttle back
:18:19. > :18:24.home again and an interesting section from the business part of
:18:25. > :18:32.the evening Telegraph. Yes, this is a story about Hinkley. The deal has
:18:33. > :18:37.been done on Hinkley but it is quite interesting we have the front page
:18:38. > :18:43.of business and also Jeremy Warner inside the business pages saying
:18:44. > :18:50.Hinkley will happen but also Bradwell, these are the things China
:18:51. > :18:56.wants to build that will lock us into nuclear. It is interesting that
:18:57. > :19:04.the EDF boss said that next year we will be cooking our turkeys off the
:19:05. > :19:10.energy from Hinkley. It strikes me as interesting that they are just
:19:11. > :19:16.looking at the costs of this in the evening Telegraph in particular. It
:19:17. > :19:20.is very expensive energy as well. Double the price of wholesale
:19:21. > :19:24.electricity. In reviewing the papers, we reveal which headlines
:19:25. > :19:34.might not be entirely accurate, Jane. Ukip nude dip, by Nigel. Nigel
:19:35. > :19:43.has told me this is not his actual body. In the intro, it does say
:19:44. > :19:47.bursting into a wedding party almost naked after skinny-dipping. You were
:19:48. > :19:53.actually wearing your boxers. I think if you are wearing a pair of
:19:54. > :19:56.properly stitched Jeremy Paxman underpants, you are not
:19:57. > :20:02.skinny-dipping. I agree with that and it was lovely, the water was
:20:03. > :20:05.great, it was great fun. Thank you, all, very much indeed.
:20:06. > :20:07.If Jeremy Corbyn is re-elected as Labour leader next Saturday,
:20:08. > :20:10.as the polls suggest, can he heal the party after a summer
:20:11. > :20:15.One of them is the Shadow Defence Secretary, Clive Lewis,
:20:16. > :20:26.Welcome. Can I start by asking you about all of the stories we have
:20:27. > :20:30.been reading in the papers about plans to deselect Labour MPs if the
:20:31. > :20:34.party membership has moved a bit to the left, and if some of your
:20:35. > :20:39.colleagues still go back to the Blair years and Brown years for
:20:40. > :20:43.their loyalties, should they not be removed and MPs who are more in tune
:20:44. > :20:49.with the New Labour Party put in their place? There are lots of red
:20:50. > :20:53.under the bed scare stories coming out now, and we have form on this.
:20:54. > :20:59.Last year the same production company produced a hatchet job on
:21:00. > :21:03.Jeremy Corbyn a weak or two before the election announcement and we are
:21:04. > :21:07.seeing the same thing again. I think we have had a robust debate this
:21:08. > :21:12.year. Deselection hasn't come up as an issue as far as I understand. If
:21:13. > :21:18.it does, that the democratic choice for our members. We will have churn
:21:19. > :21:24.in the boundary committees, there will be MPs going up against one
:21:25. > :21:27.another, but whole process of deselection, you call it
:21:28. > :21:33.deselection, another word for it is democratic election for your
:21:34. > :21:40.representatives in Parliament. If the party is a centre of balance in
:21:41. > :21:45.the country has moved to the left under Jeremy Corbyn, something has
:21:46. > :21:48.got to change if he is re-elected. The MPs cannot continue in
:21:49. > :21:53.opposition to him all the way through the Parliament, can they? I
:21:54. > :21:58.don't think he has created a shift to the left, I think we are seeing a
:21:59. > :22:03.change in politics. There has been a shift in politics across the west,
:22:04. > :22:10.across Europe, across this country. In terms of that I think there has
:22:11. > :22:16.been changes. Do I think the PLP inside Westminster are homogenous
:22:17. > :22:26.group? No, I don't. A new Tribune group has been set up, I think that
:22:27. > :22:29.is fantastic. Last year politics was a small managerial approach to
:22:30. > :22:38.politics which people were tired of. We now have open Labour, Progress,
:22:39. > :22:44.Momentum. I think it is important we have these groups, debating, coming
:22:45. > :22:47.out with ideas. The PLP is not homogenous. There are people who
:22:48. > :22:53.will come back and work with Jeremy Corbyn, and a small group who will
:22:54. > :22:59.not choose to do that. Do you think that group of parliamentarians
:23:00. > :23:04.should elect the Shadow Cabinet? We should see a complete reform of our
:23:05. > :23:09.party and there is a role for the PLP to play in that. I am part of
:23:10. > :23:14.the PLP and I would like to be a part of that. The PLP could elect a
:23:15. > :23:18.certain percentage of the Cabinet, the leader another percentage, and
:23:19. > :23:22.the membership another percentage which is something that could be
:23:23. > :23:28.reviewed. Tom Watson himself has said it is an idea he is open to. I
:23:29. > :23:33.think it is the ideas coming out about democratising our party,
:23:34. > :23:37.allowing members to have a real say in how their representatives
:23:38. > :23:42.represent them and the policy we have as a party. What about the idea
:23:43. > :23:46.advertised on the front of the Observer that as the party changes
:23:47. > :23:50.direction a bit, so ordinary party members should have a more direct
:23:51. > :23:55.say on policy than they do at the moment? I think that a good idea.
:23:56. > :24:02.You probably know one of the things I'm really interested in is the idea
:24:03. > :24:06.of proportional representation. The reason I think that is a good idea
:24:07. > :24:10.is it allows more people to have a say in their political system and
:24:11. > :24:20.the decisions being made. I think that should apply to political
:24:21. > :24:25.parties as well. I think ultimately it's about finding a balance between
:24:26. > :24:30.not having chaos, but having some sort of organisation whether members
:24:31. > :24:34.feel they have democratic say in the policies being implemented. Some
:24:35. > :24:38.people in the Labour Party, including people on the left, think
:24:39. > :24:44.what has happened has pushed Labour too far to the left to win an
:24:45. > :24:49.election. Neil Kinnock, a man of the left, says on panorama tomorrow that
:24:50. > :24:54.if Jeremy Corbyn wins he will not be another Labour government, he fears,
:24:55. > :24:58.in his lifetime. Lord Kinnock is respected by many people in this
:24:59. > :25:03.party and he is entitled to his view. I'd like to see the crystal
:25:04. > :25:07.ball he is using. Unfortunately he cannot make that prediction any more
:25:08. > :25:11.than anyone else come. People are saying Jeremy Corbyn has shifted the
:25:12. > :25:16.party to the left, actually I don't think his policies would be a
:25:17. > :25:21.surprise to Edward Heath or Wilson. He's talking about public NHS,
:25:22. > :25:26.talking about having non-selection in our schools, not having grammar
:25:27. > :25:31.schools, about democratising the Internet. This isn't a shift to the
:25:32. > :25:35.left, these are good politics, good policies. I see that as reacting and
:25:36. > :25:39.responding to a changing world, where too many people in this
:25:40. > :25:45.country feel they have been left behind and it's about tackling that.
:25:46. > :25:47.Clive Lewis, thank you for speaking to us this morning. Now to the
:25:48. > :25:48.weather. After some blistering heat
:25:49. > :25:50.earlier in the week, it's pretty obvious that lingering,
:25:51. > :25:52.laggard and largely unwelcome autumn has finally stumbled
:25:53. > :25:54.blearily into view. Talking of stumbling
:25:55. > :26:04.blearily, here's our weather The make-up department works
:26:05. > :26:08.wonders, as you well know. You mentioned unwelcome autumn and I
:26:09. > :26:11.think these swallows in north Yorkshire would share your view,
:26:12. > :26:15.they seem to be getting ready to depart. But they obviously haven't
:26:16. > :26:24.seen the forecast, it will be a lovely day across England, the cloud
:26:25. > :26:29.in Saudis gradually breaking up. There is some rain in the forecast
:26:30. > :26:32.which will march steadily on across Northern Ireland, something clearer
:26:33. > :26:38.coming in behind bars. Eastern Scotland hanging onto the dry
:26:39. > :26:42.weather. Widely into the high teens elsewhere. Even 21 in the warm spot.
:26:43. > :26:49.That rain clearing over this evening and through the night. The rain
:26:50. > :26:53.moving across England and Wales, could turn on the heavy side.
:26:54. > :27:00.Temperatures dipping into the single figures overnight. The rain
:27:01. > :27:06.increasingly moving and across northern England and Wales, where is
:27:07. > :27:10.that rain staggers eastwards and starts to fizzle out. Temperature is
:27:11. > :27:15.widely into the mid-teens, those temperatures we will see through the
:27:16. > :27:19.rest of the week, so, Andrew, enjoy that autumn light.
:27:20. > :27:22.Now, if we really want to understand what Theresa May is about,
:27:23. > :27:25.there's nobody better to talk to than Damian Green,
:27:26. > :27:28.her oldest friend in the Cabinet - and by the way the man now in charge
:27:29. > :27:32.of welfare - where we may see some changes
:27:33. > :27:44.We have been talking perhaps loosely this morning about a post-liberal
:27:45. > :27:50.era, and one of the headline writers suggest that compared with the
:27:51. > :27:54.economic liberalism and so forth of past Conservatives, Theresa May
:27:55. > :27:59.represents a break. Do you recognise that language? No, clearly liberal
:28:00. > :28:04.capitalism and Western values are under threat, they need fighting for
:28:05. > :28:10.what they always do. This idea of reaching a point of the end of
:28:11. > :28:13.history was optimistic nonsense, you always have to keep fighting for
:28:14. > :28:19.your values. But Theresa May and her government will fight for those
:28:20. > :28:23.small liberal free-market values as hard as any previous Conservative.
:28:24. > :28:29.Do you see any change of direction in this Government at all? There is
:28:30. > :28:33.clearly a large element of continuity because we are still
:28:34. > :28:36.Conservatives and still modernising Conservatives. I think the
:28:37. > :28:40.Conservative Party went through a big change with David Cameron that
:28:41. > :28:45.was necessary and desirable and that element will continue. Of course any
:28:46. > :28:49.Prime Minister has their own individual policy priorities and
:28:50. > :28:53.their own way of doing business. I would like you to explain further,
:28:54. > :28:59.since you knew Theresa May for a long time, what is the essence of
:29:00. > :29:03.the Theresa May approach? The essence is a desire to serve. She is
:29:04. > :29:11.a classic public servant coming from her personal background... But
:29:12. > :29:16.everyone has a desire to serve. But that is innate, she sees it as her
:29:17. > :29:20.role in life. The point she has made in her first few weeks as Prime
:29:21. > :29:25.Minister about trying to help those who are just about managing is
:29:26. > :29:32.squarely addressing that issue of how do we recapture the ground for
:29:33. > :29:37.liberal capitalism. Talking about families that are struggling at the
:29:38. > :29:42.bottom of the heat being her big priority, which is why am interested
:29:43. > :29:46.to talk to you about welfare. Can I ask about the disabled people,
:29:47. > :29:49.people in the working group who will lose ?30 per week under current
:29:50. > :29:54.plans, are you comfortable about that?
:29:55. > :30:01.Our system of welfare reform is designed to help people get back
:30:02. > :30:06.into work. And it is the balance you need to strike between benefits and
:30:07. > :30:10.help, which is always a sensitive one. What we are about is helping
:30:11. > :30:16.people who are struggling, and one of the things I most want to achieve
:30:17. > :30:22.is have a modernised welfare state, where we try to help people get a
:30:23. > :30:29.job, get some work, not because it is the best route out of poverty --
:30:30. > :30:32.poverty, but it is the best route to personal dignity and greater
:30:33. > :30:40.self-esteem. Leaving people on benefits is an old-fashioned way
:30:41. > :30:45.that doesn't help them. Can I ask our Yukon to new to? Is there any
:30:46. > :30:52.change of tone from Iain Duncan Smith? Any politician will have
:30:53. > :30:58.their own tone and use their own language. The difference will be is
:30:59. > :31:01.that I am different from him and will use different language. I know
:31:02. > :31:09.we both share the desire for increasing social justice, and this
:31:10. > :31:14.is the change we need to get. You do not just measure it by the benefits
:31:15. > :31:21.bill. You measure it by the help you are giving those individuals. And
:31:22. > :31:26.the help you taking away. That ?30 taken away from disabled people you
:31:27. > :31:30.hope to get into work but who aren't in work yet, that is a lot of money
:31:31. > :31:36.for those people. That Paralympics are over. The great Paralympian,
:31:37. > :31:41.Tanni Grey-Thompson, called this brutal and inhumane. We are changing
:31:42. > :31:46.the system so that the main benefit will become Universal Credit. You
:31:47. > :31:50.are taking a lot of money away from these people. It is specifically
:31:51. > :31:55.designed to make sure that work always pays. There are other
:31:56. > :32:00.benefits specifically for disabled people, that the central thrust of
:32:01. > :32:06.making work always pay is what we must have to have a successful
:32:07. > :32:10.welfare state. Under Iain Duncan Smith, those were the toughest
:32:11. > :32:13.austerity years, and a lot of disabled people felt they were
:32:14. > :32:19.unfairly targeted during that period. Now that we are told that
:32:20. > :32:24.posterity is going to unwind a bit, I'm interested in whether any of
:32:25. > :32:27.that will change. The commitment that the Prime Minister has made
:32:28. > :32:33.since she took office has been that we will meet the previous
:32:34. > :32:40.commitments we have made, but there will be no new search for cuts in
:32:41. > :32:44.individual welfare benefits. That is the end of the cuts? You are right
:32:45. > :32:50.that the period of austerity meant that tough decisions had to be taken
:32:51. > :32:57.across the board. I am not looking for... There are things that have
:32:58. > :33:03.been announced that haven't yet been introduced. People know they are
:33:04. > :33:08.coming, but no new things. Can I ask you about the system of assessment
:33:09. > :33:12.for disabled people going into work? This has been hugely controversial.
:33:13. > :33:19.There have been some highly controversial and tragic cases, such
:33:20. > :33:23.as a diabetic man whose heating was cut off and who sadly died. People
:33:24. > :33:29.who have killed themselves when they heard their benefit was getting cut.
:33:30. > :33:33.People suffering from terrible illnesses and in terrible trouble.
:33:34. > :33:38.You know these cases. They must be on your desk. When you look at them,
:33:39. > :33:42.are you completely satisfied yourself that the government has
:33:43. > :33:46.done this right in the past? Do you want to think again about the way
:33:47. > :33:52.that the Sables people are assessed for work? There are cases where it
:33:53. > :33:58.looks like the system is not working for those people, and you could look
:33:59. > :34:02.at those cases very hard. I think you need a system of assessment, and
:34:03. > :34:08.it is a case of continuous improvement. Of course we are always
:34:09. > :34:13.seeking to do that. Nobody wants and inhumane system. One man was born
:34:14. > :34:19.with the terrible deformities produced by Phyllida might, and he
:34:20. > :34:24.has had ?30 a week taken away from him, and feels very upset about
:34:25. > :34:29.that. Are you going to look again at the way people have been assessed,
:34:30. > :34:36.generally, to see whether it has been fair and humane? I am
:34:37. > :34:40.permanently looking at all these systems. Of course, there are tens
:34:41. > :34:46.of thousands of assessment is going on all the time. I dare say there
:34:47. > :34:49.will be individual cases that are wrong, and as they are brought to
:34:50. > :34:54.the attention of ministers, we look at them. Will you review those
:34:55. > :35:01.cases? We are permanently looking at them. Some argue that you should
:35:02. > :35:07.just pay at the benefits and not test people. I don't agree with
:35:08. > :35:14.that. Just now, you mentioned some cuts that are to come. Universal
:35:15. > :35:19.Credit people will lose ?42 a week on average. 3 million working
:35:20. > :35:23.families, the same people that the Prime Minister was talking about
:35:24. > :35:28.when she spoke about glaring social injustice. That is a lot of money
:35:29. > :35:34.for those people to lose. The Resolution Foundation said, with
:35:35. > :35:43.most economic forecasts showing higher inflation and other things in
:35:44. > :35:50.the coming years, this cut will have a negative effect on people. This
:35:51. > :35:55.foundation have been quite supportive of some of the things you
:35:56. > :36:01.have done. There is an element of consensus around these areas. But as
:36:02. > :36:05.I say, that cut which has already been announced is a part of a
:36:06. > :36:10.programme we need to go through to make sure we keep our public
:36:11. > :36:14.finances under control. We are rolling out Universal Credit in a
:36:15. > :36:19.way that already shows that people are much more likely to get work if
:36:20. > :36:25.they are on Universal Credit than the previous benefits, and are much
:36:26. > :36:27.more likely to stay in work. It is the sort of compassionate
:36:28. > :36:33.conservative policy I am happy to introduce. Iain Duncan Smith said to
:36:34. > :36:39.me that this very sharp and narrow attack on people's living standards,
:36:40. > :36:44.people at bottom of the heap, compared what was being done to
:36:45. > :36:47.pensioners, risk destroying intergenerational fairness. He
:36:48. > :36:55.worried you were doing too much for pensioners because they vote for
:36:56. > :37:00.you. I accept that we need to look, over time, at the area of
:37:01. > :37:04.intergenerational fairness, but I do think that we should step back from
:37:05. > :37:09.this view that we are being too generous to pensioners. All these
:37:10. > :37:16.things are very long term. Pension policy in the 1980s was 40% of
:37:17. > :37:21.pensioners. It is now down to 14%. That is an enormous beneficial
:37:22. > :37:26.social resolution. You knew Theresa May back in the day when she was at
:37:27. > :37:30.university. Was she always going to be Prime Minister? She always had
:37:31. > :37:36.the capacity to do it, and she always wanted to be. Now we know
:37:37. > :37:39.why. With each end of start she has made as Prime Minister, she has
:37:40. > :37:45.shown that the Conservatives are the... Did she ever say to you that
:37:46. > :37:55.she wanted the job? She never said it to me. She said it to others,
:37:56. > :38:00.including my wife. It was clear that she was ambitious, but unlike many
:38:01. > :38:04.others, and this is essential to to reason, if she thinks something is
:38:05. > :38:10.worth doing, she will go after it, and by and large, she will get it.
:38:11. > :38:11.That is why she will be an extremely good Prime Minister. Thank you for
:38:12. > :38:14.talking to us today. Ken Stott is a very busy actor -
:38:15. > :38:16.the Hobbit films, last year's hit TV drama,
:38:17. > :38:19.The Missing, and now back on stage Stott plays a grand but waning actor
:38:20. > :38:23.struggling to play King Lear in a wartime theatre while an air
:38:24. > :38:26.raid is going on overhead. I talked to Ken Stott ahead
:38:27. > :38:29.of the play's London transfer and he told me about the big ego
:38:30. > :38:32.that defines his character, What I think is most important here,
:38:33. > :38:38.it's the quality of being driven. Those who are driven,
:38:39. > :38:42.people who are driven are impossible to live with and make life hell
:38:43. > :38:45.for those around them. Here is no different,
:38:46. > :38:50.this in a sense is the And everybody living
:38:51. > :38:53.really quite poorly. There is no money around,
:38:54. > :38:55.life is quite tough. And it is still the same
:38:56. > :38:57.for actors today. Life was tough because these
:38:58. > :39:00.were touring companies, I remember, I am old enough
:39:01. > :39:12.to remember theatrical digs. I remember Mrs Law in Belfast,
:39:13. > :39:17.where we had an open fire but there was only one
:39:18. > :39:23.in the house and we came home And there was enough coal for us
:39:24. > :39:30.to have an hour's worth of fire And for people watching -
:39:31. > :39:37.who see people like yourself, they think an actor's life
:39:38. > :39:39.is a terribly glamorous one and it is fantastic -
:39:40. > :39:42.what about young actors? Working in London in particular
:39:43. > :39:45.is incredibly hard for young people When unions were involved,
:39:46. > :39:51.you had to be a member of Equity It made life very difficult,
:39:52. > :39:58.it made it very difficult for you to become an actor,
:39:59. > :40:00.but those who did, did It would sort out the wheat
:40:01. > :40:07.from the chaff in that those who stuck with it, those
:40:08. > :40:10.who persevered, went on. And of course it also meant
:40:11. > :40:15.that the standard of work, Now anybody can be an actor,
:40:16. > :40:24.you don't have to be a member of the union, you can
:40:25. > :40:27.work wherever you like - television, film, theatre,
:40:28. > :40:29.in London, in the West End people They want to see professionals,
:40:30. > :40:37.they don't want to see somebody who has made a bad choice,
:40:38. > :40:40.choosing somebody who can't act. And the union would
:40:41. > :40:43.help in that way. And your character here,
:40:44. > :40:47.playing Lear is clearly a great The next Lear, we are told,
:40:48. > :40:52.is going to be Glenda Well, I would say to Glenda
:40:53. > :41:00.that it's a great idea, I quote Ronnie Harwood here -
:41:01. > :41:04.I hope you have the health I know it's a hell of a role,
:41:05. > :41:14.although I haven't played it, because I play Sir in this,
:41:15. > :41:16.and quite frankly playing this is pretty much as much as playing
:41:17. > :41:19.Lear. Can we move from theatre to TV,
:41:20. > :41:25.and the last big drama In many ways a really hard subject,
:41:26. > :41:30.echoes the McCann story a bit, and your character
:41:31. > :41:33.is a pretty noxious paedophile. You have been quite critical
:41:34. > :41:44.of the current Too many explosions,
:41:45. > :41:47.too much CGI? We have got a new toy now,
:41:48. > :41:50.we have got a new toy We can make anything
:41:51. > :41:54.happen on screen. We can make people's faces morph
:41:55. > :41:58.into something else. I say, all right, listen,
:41:59. > :42:02.can we just get over it now, because what is really
:42:03. > :42:06.important ultimately That's what we really
:42:07. > :42:11.want to see, as people, So, worry more about the writing
:42:12. > :42:16.and about the acting, less Let's start writing
:42:17. > :42:22.about relationships. We're now living in
:42:23. > :42:24.the world of superhero. If I was to give advice to a young
:42:25. > :42:31.actor today, I'd say, I'd say do an hour of drama classes
:42:32. > :42:41.per week, and do 42 hours of gym, because that's how you're
:42:42. > :42:44.going to be an actor Now, you play Sir in a Scots accent,
:42:45. > :42:52.and you supported the nationalist How do you now feel about it
:42:53. > :42:57.all after Brexit, looking We have...which is in effect
:42:58. > :43:04.English independence, It wants to take Scotland
:43:05. > :43:10.and Northern Ireland with it. It has already got Wales
:43:11. > :43:13.because they voted Brexit. Now, Scotland has only
:43:14. > :43:18.since the war, since Attlee's government, has only received
:43:19. > :43:24.the Government it voted In order to achieve democracy,
:43:25. > :43:33.Scotland should be independent. Scotland is a country
:43:34. > :43:38.that is an oil-producing country, And so you see a second referendum
:43:39. > :43:45.as essential after Brexit? It is essential, absolutely
:43:46. > :43:47.essential. To shy away from that
:43:48. > :43:50.is undemocratic. Ken Stott, thank
:43:51. > :43:54.you very much indeed And The Dresser by Sir
:43:55. > :44:01.Ronald Harwood opens at the Duke of York's Theatre
:44:02. > :44:04.in London's West End next month. Now coming up in just over an hour,
:44:05. > :44:08.the other Andrew - Andrew Neil - will be here on BBC One
:44:09. > :44:11.with the Sunday Politics and Andrew and his team have been poring
:44:12. > :44:15.over the Conservative Party's 2015 manifesto, tracking how much of it
:44:16. > :44:20.the Government is delivering and how The Liberal Democrats are gathering
:44:21. > :44:30.in Brighton after one of the most dramatic falls from fortune
:44:31. > :44:32.in recent political history. The old jibe was that you could get
:44:33. > :44:35.all the members of the Liberal party But of course, there's hardly
:44:36. > :44:38.any phone boxes left. Tim Farron, leader of
:44:39. > :44:55.the party, joins me now. I wanted to start by reminding
:44:56. > :45:03.ourselves how people think of this country. When you describe if you
:45:04. > :45:09.are on the left, hard left, right, middle, this is how it breaks down.
:45:10. > :45:13.They are your target people, and yet your party is below 8% in the polls.
:45:14. > :45:18.There is a massive mismatch between people saying I am a liberal, they
:45:19. > :45:25.like the word liberal but they don't like your party. How do you begin to
:45:26. > :45:30.break out? The theme of whether liberalism is under threat or not, I
:45:31. > :45:34.think your poll shows that while there is massive challenges it is in
:45:35. > :45:39.good health. I think we are up against a rising populism, that is a
:45:40. > :45:46.new dichotomy in politics, nationalism versus liberalism. You
:45:47. > :45:56.see the Labour Party going down and unelectable route, a Conservative
:45:57. > :46:01.Party that is unaccountable. We are in a very good place at the moment.
:46:02. > :46:09.The election last May was devastating for us but two things
:46:10. > :46:16.have happened since. 7% is not a good place, surely. Two things have
:46:17. > :46:20.happened, one is that Britain looks to be heading out of the European
:46:21. > :46:25.Union, I would say that is disastrous for our country and
:46:26. > :46:29.artful liberalism. The other thing is the Labour Party's choice to go
:46:30. > :46:33.down a route which is fantasy, populist politics. There is a gap
:46:34. > :46:39.for a Liberal party with a clear plan for Halliburton should operate
:46:40. > :46:44.in the world now is vast. Our membership has doubled since the
:46:45. > :46:49.election. We have made massive gains in local government over the last
:46:50. > :46:52.few months, but that opportunity for us is enormous. If Labour won't
:46:53. > :46:58.oppose the Conservative Party, we will. Let's look forward. Jeremy
:46:59. > :47:03.Corbyn will probably be re-elected as Labour leader at the end of the
:47:04. > :47:09.coming week, or if not it will be Owen Smith. If it is Owen Smith, he
:47:10. > :47:14.has said he wants to fight the next election by saying if Labour winds
:47:15. > :47:20.or are in a position to exercise power, he wants to be applied to the
:47:21. > :47:25.EU, would you join him in that? I am interested in the things he has to
:47:26. > :47:34.say, I have to say that might be too late. My sense is that we have to
:47:35. > :47:44.focus on the fact we trusted people, and we must now trust them with
:47:45. > :47:48.destination. The relationship with the single market is utterly
:47:49. > :47:53.unclear, there needs to be a referendum on that deal. That is the
:47:54. > :47:59.best option for staying in. But you can't make that happen, that will be
:48:00. > :48:04.in Theresa May's gift to have that referendum or not. If public opinion
:48:05. > :48:08.changes, if people see the deal unravelling not being what they
:48:09. > :48:12.voted for, Theresa May is a pragmatic enough person to
:48:13. > :48:15.understand that if the population of this country believe the deal she is
:48:16. > :48:19.stitching up with Brussels is something they don't think they
:48:20. > :48:24.voted for, I think she will shift. But Owen Smith seems to be a
:48:25. > :48:28.reasonable moderate guy and I think there is every chance we could work
:48:29. > :48:34.with him. The problem is I don't think Jeremy Corbyn would work with
:48:35. > :48:37.anybody else. If Jeremy Corbyn does win, and winds big, there will be a
:48:38. > :48:44.lot of Labour MPs who are very unhappy. You have said in the past
:48:45. > :48:51.they have been on the phone to you as some kind of therapy, none of
:48:52. > :48:55.them came over to you. My job is not to be some kind of home-wrecker. I
:48:56. > :48:59.think it would be a tragedy for British democracy. I think even a
:49:00. > :49:03.lot of Conservatives think it is terrible there is no decent
:49:04. > :49:06.opposition in this country, so my job is to build the Liberal
:49:07. > :49:12.Democrats and be the moderate opposition to the Tories, and hope
:49:13. > :49:20.people come and join us. A lot of voters for whatever reason don't
:49:21. > :49:33.like your political tribe. How un tribal are you prepared to be?
:49:34. > :49:42.It has been said, if the Government doesn't have a road map, I think new
:49:43. > :49:46.parties will grow. If gridlock were to lead to a real sense of drift and
:49:47. > :49:51.malaise, it could be a government of national unity where parties of
:49:52. > :49:59.different dissuasion will act together. Paddy Ashdown, has said,
:50:00. > :50:05.why not have one pro-European union and the Conservative candidate.
:50:06. > :50:09.Would you put to one side the Liberal Democrats' party interests
:50:10. > :50:22.to work with Labour Party people, and George Osborne is Dell saying he
:50:23. > :50:24.is now liberal -- now saying. It was about spending time and working with
:50:25. > :50:29.people in different parties with more in common than the fact we
:50:30. > :50:34.believe Britain should remain in the European Union, but my assessment of
:50:35. > :50:36.the situation is this. The Conservative government may be in
:50:37. > :50:40.power for another quarter of a century because of what is going on
:50:41. > :50:44.in the Labour Party at the moment, and Britain will sleep walk out of
:50:45. > :50:53.the European Union to immense calamity. The best thing I can do,
:50:54. > :50:57.whilst being... This is democracy. Indeed, but I'm allowed to keep my
:50:58. > :51:01.principles. My job is to build a progressive movement that can
:51:02. > :51:05.challenge the Conservative Party. My view is that Britain will sleepwalk
:51:06. > :51:09.out of Europe unless the Liberal Democrats can grow and build support
:51:10. > :51:14.for us to have a referendum on the deal, which we must have, and we
:51:15. > :51:22.will have a Tory government for perhaps the rest of our lifetimes
:51:23. > :51:29.unless we can fill the space of the Labour Party. So that requires you
:51:30. > :51:35.do politics differently, in an unconventional way. What I'm asking
:51:36. > :51:38.directly is whether you would see a low Liberal Democrats to stand down
:51:39. > :51:42.in some seats to allow other non-Conservatives to have a free run
:51:43. > :51:47.or if all of these non-Conservative parties like the old days fight each
:51:48. > :51:53.other in a first past the post system and be machine-gunned down.
:51:54. > :51:57.The danger of all of this is it is political parlour room discussions
:51:58. > :52:01.about pacts and the rest of it. I don't think most people out there
:52:02. > :52:06.are interested in that, they want a clear voice that will hold the
:52:07. > :52:10.Conservative government to account. There are Tory voters out there and
:52:11. > :52:13.feel it is dreadful for British to proxy that there is no decent
:52:14. > :52:21.opposition to the Conservatives, and that space is vast. My job is to
:52:22. > :52:27.fill that space and I'm still and to do that. I still don't understand
:52:28. > :52:28.quite how you will track that problem but we will come back after
:52:29. > :52:31.the news and talk about that. Now what's coming up
:52:32. > :52:32.after this programme? On Sunday Morning Live: We discuss
:52:33. > :52:36.how faith could decide what school your children
:52:37. > :52:37.could get into. And should we allow
:52:38. > :52:41.marijuana as a medicine? Plus, Alan Titchmarsh
:52:42. > :52:43.talks gardening and God, and X Factor's Jahmene Douglas
:52:44. > :52:45.performs a tribute I'm joined again by Tim
:52:46. > :53:00.Farron and Nigel Farage. You have both got very different
:53:01. > :53:04.points of view, but you both expect there to be real trouble ahead
:53:05. > :53:08.inside this Conservative government when so-called hard Brexit versus
:53:09. > :53:13.soft Brexit has to be debated and argued. How much of a political
:53:14. > :53:17.opportunity is that for each of you? I think it is a huge opportunity for
:53:18. > :53:21.us but a massive risk for Great Britain. However you voted in the
:53:22. > :53:26.referendum, the fact there was no plan on the table, people voted for
:53:27. > :53:32.a blank sheet of paper, I don't think the Conservatives had any plan
:53:33. > :53:36.for a post leave vote, and three months on it appears Theresa May has
:53:37. > :53:50.no plan and she's not sharing it with us. The effect is of Musick
:53:51. > :53:55.significance. I agree, because everything will get much cheaper. We
:53:56. > :54:00.can buy cheap food, there are lots of opportunities. So the biggest
:54:01. > :54:04.market on the planet on our doorstep is something we will turn our back
:54:05. > :54:09.on. Lots of your lot believe we should be in the single market.
:54:10. > :54:16.Let's be clear about this blank sheet of paper, I agree there was
:54:17. > :54:20.nothing prepared so it's a good job David Cameron and George Osborne
:54:21. > :54:25.have gone, but the idea that people who voted for Brexit voted for a
:54:26. > :54:29.blank sheet of paper is nonsense. They voted for us to take back
:54:30. > :54:34.control of our lives and come out of the single market. They voted for us
:54:35. > :54:42.to make our own laws. Everybody from Boris Johnson to Kate Hoey and Frank
:54:43. > :54:50.Field, we all put that message out absolutely clearly. Could I just
:54:51. > :54:55.intervene for a second, gentlemen. If we are opening up to the rest of
:54:56. > :55:00.the world, and I define liberalism as open borders for capital, and the
:55:01. > :55:05.great disruption which has changed the last century, could we see more
:55:06. > :55:10.of it after leaving the EU? Here is the nonsense. So many on the
:55:11. > :55:14.pro-European side portray themselves as being internationalist. The
:55:15. > :55:18.European Union is a protectionist club that has closed itself off from
:55:19. > :55:24.many parts of the emerging world and I want Britain to be engaged on a
:55:25. > :55:28.global basis. If you were an African farmer, Tim Farron, you would be
:55:29. > :55:32.nodding at what Nigel Farage has said because they have had a very
:55:33. > :55:37.hard time trying to export their products into the EU. That is
:55:38. > :55:42.nonsense because most Commonwealth heads and governments are absolutely
:55:43. > :55:48.horrified at what the United Kingdom... They are queueing up to
:55:49. > :55:59.sign trade deals, get with it, we have moved on! So here we are,
:56:00. > :56:02.Australia, a market of 20 million people, literally on the other side
:56:03. > :56:06.of the planet in case you hadn't worked that out, and a market
:56:07. > :56:12.literally 20 miles away across the Channel with 500 million people. Who
:56:13. > :56:15.would you do a deal with, Nigel? I tell you what is so interesting, the
:56:16. > :56:20.way you disparage them as being on the other side of the world. We are
:56:21. > :56:26.leaving the European Union, we are going global, it's an exciting
:56:27. > :56:31.future for us. I knew this was going to happen. What Nigel stands for is
:56:32. > :56:38.the popular, nationalist sentiment and I believe in democracy also. You
:56:39. > :56:41.fight for what you believe. Do you respect the referendum result? Time
:56:42. > :56:46.is up. Join us next week at nine,
:56:47. > :56:50.live from Liverpool and the Labour Party Conference,
:56:51. > :56:53.when our guests will include the leader of the Labour Party,
:56:54. > :56:56.whoever that may be. In the meantime, we leave
:56:57. > :56:59.you with a group whose members hail The Nordic Fiddlers' Bloc
:57:00. > :57:08.will be on a UK tour soon. This is "Talon's Trip to
:57:09. > :57:10.Thompson Island".