:00:00. > :00:08.Good morning from a crisply, sunny Birmingham.
:00:09. > :00:12.Britain will once more be an independent and sovereign nation.
:00:13. > :00:15.That's the Prime Minister's message to the Tory Conference
:00:16. > :00:22.But as she lays out her plans for leaving the EU, what do those
:00:23. > :00:44.Theresa May is still, frankly, the unknown
:00:45. > :00:57.Today we'll try to find out a little more.
:00:58. > :01:00.And speaking for the Tories' exiled regime, David Cameron's former
:01:01. > :01:01.communications director Sir Craig Oliver, who's written
:01:02. > :01:06.a book about how his former boss gambled and lost.
:01:07. > :01:10.And speaking of drama at Westminster,
:01:11. > :01:15.Dominic Cooper has been talking about playing London's wickedest
:01:16. > :01:21.And here on a hugely significant weekend in politics,
:01:22. > :01:23.to review the news, Anushka Asthana from the Guardian
:01:24. > :01:26.and Matthew Parris of the Times, who's been warning Mrs May
:01:27. > :01:31.All that coming up, but first the news with Sally Nugent.
:01:32. > :01:36.Prime Minister Theresa May has said that her Government will introduce
:01:37. > :01:39.a 'Great Repeal Bill' to begin the process for Britain's exit
:01:40. > :01:45.The announcement comes as the first Conservative Party conference
:01:46. > :01:47.since the referendum gets under way in Birmingham.
:01:48. > :01:49.Our Political Correspondent Carole Walker's report contains flash
:01:50. > :01:57.Theresa May arrived last night for her first party conference
:01:58. > :02:05.Keen to demonstrate her Government is getting
:02:06. > :02:10.She says shall begin the process of making the UK and sovereign
:02:11. > :02:14.and independent country with a Great Repeal Bill to overturn
:02:15. > :02:16.the legislation which took Britain into what was then
:02:17. > :02:25.The European Communities Act 1972, set out on vellum scroll, will be
:02:26. > :02:32.This will mean that all EU laws will be
:02:33. > :02:34.transferred into UK law and will no longer override domestic
:02:35. > :02:38.The new bill will be introduced next spring but it will
:02:39. > :02:42.not take effect until the moment Britain leaves the EU, and does not
:02:43. > :02:47.affect the formal process of negotiations under Article 50.
:02:48. > :02:50.The move to give the UK control over its
:02:51. > :02:53.own laws is exactly what many of the leading figures in campaign
:02:54. > :02:57.to leave the EU have been calling for, and it
:02:58. > :02:59.will delight many at this conference, but it still leaves
:03:00. > :03:03.questions over when the Prime Minister will trigger
:03:04. > :03:07.Article 50 to begin the formal negotiations and what the
:03:08. > :03:15.future deal. The new Prime Minister wants to use this conference
:03:16. > :03:19.domestic agenda under the slogan, "a country that works for everyone".
:03:20. > :03:20.But today's announcements won't stop all
:03:21. > :03:27.the discussions and arguments over Brexit.
:03:28. > :03:30.Gulf countries have urged the United Nations to intervene
:03:31. > :03:32.immediately in Syria to stop the aerial attacks
:03:33. > :03:36.The appeal came hours after a medical charity said
:03:37. > :03:39.the largest hospital in the rebel-held part of the city
:03:40. > :03:46.The polls have opened in Hungary in a referendum called
:03:47. > :03:49.by the country's Prime Minister to challenge migrant quotas.
:03:50. > :03:54.Viktor Orban is expected to secure an overwhelming majority.
:03:55. > :03:56.In the past year he's sealed southern borders with a razor-wire
:03:57. > :04:03.fence patrolled by thousands of soldiers and police.
:04:04. > :04:06.The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and their children have left Canada
:04:07. > :04:11.In a statement, Prince William said they were incredibly grateful
:04:12. > :04:17.to the country for the warmth and hospitality they'd been shown.
:04:18. > :04:22.Back to you, Andrew, at the Conservative Party
:04:23. > :04:38.And it is a deep-fried feast for politics addict. There's the front
:04:39. > :04:43.page of the Sunday Times, Ken Clarke and his memoirs, and of course the
:04:44. > :04:47.Prime Minister Theresa May fires the Brexit starting gun, that's what we
:04:48. > :04:53.will be talking about probably all of the programme. May takes her acts
:04:54. > :05:02.to EU law, and the Observer has a story from Nicky Morgan, who was
:05:03. > :05:08.fired by Theresa May, hard Brexit will breed new bigotry. We will talk
:05:09. > :05:12.about all of that, but we will start with the main piece of journalism of
:05:13. > :05:18.the day, the interview with the Prime Minister in the Sunday Times.
:05:19. > :05:27.Absolutely and she has told us at last how it will be done. She gives
:05:28. > :05:32.a recipe for her mother's jam scone and not much more, except the Great
:05:33. > :05:35.Repeal Bill. In a way there is less to this than meets the eye because
:05:36. > :05:40.there was never any possibility we would decouple from the EU without
:05:41. > :05:46.legislation, but in a way it is a risk for her to focus on it so early
:05:47. > :05:50.because it makes us focus on how she will get it through Parliament. For
:05:51. > :05:54.all of those watching saying what is this great repeal act, it is
:05:55. > :05:58.basically saying from the minute we leave the EU, all EU laws cease to
:05:59. > :06:04.apply and they are translated into British laws which can be repealed
:06:05. > :06:09.or changed. Yes, it means we have our hat and gloves ready for when we
:06:10. > :06:14.decide to go out the door. That is an interesting interview, as you say
:06:15. > :06:17.not a lot of detail, and Anushka there is an interesting spread by
:06:18. > :06:23.the Observer's political editor laying out the divisions inside the
:06:24. > :06:28.Conservative Party. Hard Brexit and soft Brexit. That's right, Toby has
:06:29. > :06:31.written this piece about the problems Theresa May may face when
:06:32. > :06:35.it comes to getting this through. I think it is interesting because it
:06:36. > :06:39.remembers that David Cameron came here to Birmingham for his first
:06:40. > :06:44.conference as Conservative Prime Minister. Think back to this, he was
:06:45. > :06:49.best mates with Nick Clegg back then, apparently he named the big
:06:50. > :06:56.society ten times in his speech, and he told Tory MPs to stop banging on
:06:57. > :07:02.about Europe. That worked well! Things have changed, today it is all
:07:03. > :07:06.about Europe. I used the terrible jargon hard Brexit and soft Brexit,
:07:07. > :07:14.which is a bit like left and right, wet and dry, but we don't know
:07:15. > :07:18.exactly what it means. We know Brexit means Brexit, and now people
:07:19. > :07:22.are talking about a good Brexit. It is the balance between immigration
:07:23. > :07:26.and controlling our borders, and to do with economic access to the EU.
:07:27. > :07:32.Those like Nicky Morgan looking for the soft Brexit want to prioritise
:07:33. > :07:39.the economy and say we may not be able to control our borders as much
:07:40. > :07:43.as some may hope. So do a deal, stay inside the tariff free single market
:07:44. > :07:48.is soft Brexit, and hard Brexit is walk away and start the new world.
:07:49. > :07:52.Get out now, and repeal the laws we don't want to be part of. But as
:07:53. > :07:57.Matthew says, it will be difficult to do that because the laws come
:07:58. > :08:00.into British law and then Theresa May has got to go through Parliament
:08:01. > :08:05.to get rid of anything she wants to. In a way it is a triumph for the
:08:06. > :08:08.people who have been writing for years about Europe, and Christopher
:08:09. > :08:14.Booker in the Sunday Telegraph has been banging on about this for years
:08:15. > :08:18.and his moment has come. Here is one of them, Christopher Booker is so
:08:19. > :08:26.anti-European and has been so anti-European for so long he has his
:08:27. > :08:30.own column in the Sunday Telegraph. I wouldn't say he's getting cold
:08:31. > :08:37.feet but he is beginning to think, well he describes hard Brexit as
:08:38. > :08:41.plunging us over a cliff. The hard Brexit people, you will know, don't
:08:42. > :08:47.want to call it hard Brexit, they want to call it clean Brexit.
:08:48. > :08:52.Sensible Brexit or nice Brexit versus fair Brexit. That's even
:08:53. > :08:56.worse. One of the key pro-European figures right back to the Margaret
:08:57. > :09:01.Thatcher days has produced memoirs, Ken Clarke is always good for a good
:09:02. > :09:07.quote. He will be on the show next week I sincerely hope, but he has an
:09:08. > :09:11.interview again in the Sunday Times. These are extracts from his new
:09:12. > :09:16.book. I don't think you're supposed to use the word legend when you are
:09:17. > :09:20.talking about somebody who is alive, but Ken Clarke is a legend. He says
:09:21. > :09:27.what he thinks and he doesn't care. Yes, he does! We can have an
:09:28. > :09:31.overdose of him in this new book and in this extract the docs about his
:09:32. > :09:35.relationship with Theresa May. He says they couldn't be more
:09:36. > :09:41.different. She used to say I lock them up, he lets them out, that's
:09:42. > :09:44.when he was just a secretary. He remembers back to a conference
:09:45. > :09:49.previously when they had a row over a cat, whether a cat had been used
:09:50. > :09:55.to talk about someone's human rights. I love this memory, he talks
:09:56. > :09:59.about the cartoons in the newspapers of his Hush Puppies and Theresa
:10:00. > :10:08.May's kitten heels attacking each other. Ken Clarke's unguarded
:10:09. > :10:14.remarks are very cleverly pondered beforehand. I once asked him why
:10:15. > :10:24.didn't you complain when Sky broadcast what you said, and he
:10:25. > :10:31.said, because I think it. He has said many things when he didn't know
:10:32. > :10:36.the microphone was on. Here is a policy being discussed in the Sunday
:10:37. > :10:43.Mirror, Matthew. A very humane and shrewd start of the Tory conference.
:10:44. > :10:46.Tories end cruel benefit tests for long-term sick. It probably won't
:10:47. > :10:51.cost any money because you have got to pay, the Government has got to
:10:52. > :10:55.pay for the tests. You can imagine how that was brought in in David
:10:56. > :11:00.Cameron's day, somebody said let's crack down on malingerers who are
:11:01. > :11:05.not ill any longer but hasn't said so. Everybody says let's do that,
:11:06. > :11:17.then Theresa May will stop making these people go back for test every
:11:18. > :11:20.six months, it is a gift that keeps on giving. And Iain Duncan Smith has
:11:21. > :11:23.said he wishes he was still there and could do it himself. A bigger
:11:24. > :11:25.problem perhaps for Theresa May is this inquiry into child abuse and
:11:26. > :11:29.its aspects across Britain which seems to be falling to pieces. This
:11:30. > :11:32.is quite shocking, this inquiry set up by Theresa May when she was Home
:11:33. > :11:36.Secretary, after we had those allegations that start with all we
:11:37. > :11:43.learnt about Jimmy Savile and these allegations about people in
:11:44. > :11:48.political life. It is falling apart, it has had four people leading it so
:11:49. > :11:52.far, now we have had three of the leading lawyers stepping away. Ben
:11:53. > :11:55.Emmerson, but also two others from his team. We don't really know what
:11:56. > :12:00.happened but there's a lot of criticism that one of the problems
:12:01. > :12:04.is it is too broad, there's no time limit and there is no kind of
:12:05. > :12:08.precise brief as to what they should be trying to get out of it.
:12:09. > :12:13.Increasingly people are saying we won't get anywhere if we carry on
:12:14. > :12:16.this. Is there a moral about public inquiry is generally in this, that
:12:17. > :12:25.if they are very specific they may work, but the bigger they go, the
:12:26. > :12:29.worse they are. This is a big thing to get to the bottom of, and it can
:12:30. > :12:34.often be very difficult because of the people you are dealing with.
:12:35. > :12:39.This it is Theresa May's inquiry and it will be interesting to see if she
:12:40. > :12:42.still takes ownership of it. If she is not clean it will carry on, I
:12:43. > :12:49.think she will leave it to the Home Secretary. Amber Rudd, to deal with.
:12:50. > :12:54.It is easy to forget there have been big political stories across Europe
:12:55. > :12:59.at the moment, probably no more bigger than in Hungary, under a very
:13:00. > :13:05.anti-migrant leader, Viktor Orban, and they have a referendum on. Yes,
:13:06. > :13:12.they have these huge walls keeping the migrants out and this is a
:13:13. > :13:17.rather disturbing development that countries just have advisory
:13:18. > :13:21.referendums, which basically put two fingers up to the European Union but
:13:22. > :13:25.because they are only advisory you cannot stop them doing it. When the
:13:26. > :13:32.Hungary Aryans get the huge majority I think they will get against taking
:13:33. > :13:34.a quota of refugees, it will strengthen Hungary's negotiating
:13:35. > :13:39.position. And they were traditionally the front line against
:13:40. > :13:44.the Ottoman Empire and so forth, and a particular edge to the migration
:13:45. > :13:50.problem for that reason. Yes, they don't mind using the term Christian
:13:51. > :13:53.in an unashamed way. I think possibly the Hungarians are more of
:13:54. > :13:58.a problem for Brussels when we are at the moment. Donald Trump, again
:13:59. > :14:05.he marches on. A few months ago we were saying he is wobbling, Hillary
:14:06. > :14:09.Clinton is coming back again, but he's extraordinarily resilient in
:14:10. > :14:16.terms of the polls. There's only three points in it according to
:14:17. > :14:21.these polls. Donald Trump is on 44.4%, he cannot stop shocking us.
:14:22. > :14:27.It is this beauty queen story that I confess I find puzzling to work out.
:14:28. > :14:33.I have to say women's rights are something I am passionate about. And
:14:34. > :14:39.he probably is not. I don't think so. This comes after a Twitter row
:14:40. > :14:43.with someone he described as Miss Piggy but now people at his former
:14:44. > :14:49.golf club said he used to complain that some of the women who worked
:14:50. > :14:55.there were not pretty enough or too fat. But what you have got to know
:14:56. > :15:00.about him is that he's not trying to win over people like me or you,
:15:01. > :15:04.because quite a lot of people like what he is. But I suspect if you
:15:05. > :15:10.talk to some of those individual people, they wouldn't agree on
:15:11. > :15:16.points. There is Purgatory in the papers, Amber Rudd, Home Secretary.
:15:17. > :15:21.She has written an ode to safe sex. Think of now and our romance, O
:15:22. > :15:27.darling you are less appealing, what you say is so revealing, if risk is
:15:28. > :15:33.your mood and speech, how about bingo on the beach? Three cheers for
:15:34. > :15:39.trying. And finally not on the safe sex scene, but on the sexy dancing
:15:40. > :15:44.theme, the rooster that is Ed Balls worries on delighting the country in
:15:45. > :15:48.Strictly Come Dancing. It is great, suddenly Ed Balls is human,
:15:49. > :15:52.everybody loves him and his not that good at dancing. I love some of the
:15:53. > :15:59.quotes from the judges, I cannot believe it, said Bruno, what a
:16:00. > :16:03.compact, Tony Blair would be proud. Then Darcey Bussell, you were losing
:16:04. > :16:07.character, I didn't think I would see that musical bounce through your
:16:08. > :16:12.body all the way through. That is a site I don't wish to see again. What
:16:13. > :16:16.is the great scoop I will get from Theresa May, if she said she was
:16:17. > :16:18.going to go on Strictly Come Dancing that will secure the headlines all
:16:19. > :16:28.day and all week. Thank you, both. Now to the weather. It is beautiful
:16:29. > :16:30.today as we head towards proper Autumn. It is going to be hard to
:16:31. > :16:42.more soft bottom. What a difference a day makes. We do
:16:43. > :16:50.have some patchy mist and fog around northern areas. A lovely weather
:16:51. > :16:55.watcher picture. The fog is lifting and because the sun is out, there
:16:56. > :16:59.will be a lot. We so have some light showers in Cornwall and
:17:00. > :17:11.Pembrokeshire. Those are moving away during the morning. A bit of fair
:17:12. > :17:16.weather cloud bubbling up. Temperatures will be 14 or 15.
:17:17. > :17:22.Overnight, the temperatures will drop quickly. There will be a breeze
:17:23. > :17:28.towards the West. Further east we will have clear skies. The
:17:29. > :17:36.temperatures will be close to freezing and there could be mist and
:17:37. > :17:40.fog patches. For a while, there will be more clothes for Northern
:17:41. > :17:50.Ireland. Labia spot of rain. Essentially, it is a dry and fine
:17:51. > :17:55.day. -- maybe a spot of rain. It is a quiet weather week ahead.
:17:56. > :17:58.Throughout the EU referendum, Downing Street was at the centre
:17:59. > :18:00.of a raw, often tetchy and ultimately unsuccessful struggle
:18:01. > :18:03.to keep the Tory party and the nation on board for the EU.
:18:04. > :18:05.David Cameron aside, one of the key players throughout
:18:06. > :18:07.was his communications director Craig Oliver, knighted recently.
:18:08. > :18:09.He's just published his account of those hectic months,
:18:10. > :18:28.Craig, or is it certainly? It is circling but I'm very happy for you
:18:29. > :18:32.to call me Craig. People are quite squeamish about using titles they
:18:33. > :18:36.get. They are given an honour and then are squeamish. I am not
:18:37. > :18:42.squeamish, it is one of those things. Somebody said, why is this
:18:43. > :18:47.not on the title of your book? Sir Alex Ferguson did not use it on his
:18:48. > :18:53.title, and the thought never occurred to me. One of the things
:18:54. > :18:59.that comes out of that period and the period you describe is
:19:00. > :19:02.dishonesty. There are three examples where the government was dishonest,
:19:03. > :19:09.I would say. They come directly from your book. The first is when Cameron
:19:10. > :19:18.said under different circumstances he might lead a campaign to leave
:19:19. > :19:22.Europe. Reading your book, that is completely inconceivable and in
:19:23. > :19:28.fact, even before the negotiations have started you are organising what
:19:29. > :19:32.would become the Remain campaign. I don't think it was inconceivable.
:19:33. > :19:37.There were points when he was very frustrated with Europe. The big
:19:38. > :19:41.question was whether this was an organisation capable of change. That
:19:42. > :19:46.only emerged over time and he was only able to see that over time.
:19:47. > :19:51.What you've got to remember is during this period, business leaders
:19:52. > :19:56.and economists were coming out with reports saying they were concerned
:19:57. > :20:03.about it. It was across a spectrum over time. Another example, a more
:20:04. > :20:10.direct one, David Cameron came onto this programme, and I said if you
:20:11. > :20:14.lose, will you stay on as prim minister? He looked me in the eye
:20:15. > :20:19.and he said, definitely. That was always nonsense. You were asking him
:20:20. > :20:24.to speculate about his future and he answered the question at the time.
:20:25. > :20:28.The reality is you can only judge circumstances is they actually
:20:29. > :20:30.happened and when you approach those circumstances he took the decision
:20:31. > :20:36.that actually it would not be the right thing for him to do. To hold
:20:37. > :20:40.them to account for something he said a few weeks before when the
:20:41. > :20:46.reality of this situation was impacting on him was very different.
:20:47. > :20:49.But you say in the book in his heart there were almost no circumstances
:20:50. > :20:54.in which he would stay and yet he was saying publicly he would stay.
:20:55. > :21:01.It is a simple thing, directly dishonest. I'm describing the moment
:21:02. > :21:06.when he is facing defeat and learns that he is defeated and in his heart
:21:07. > :21:15.he knew that he could not stay on. We discussed it and we thought about
:21:16. > :21:20.it. You think when I asked him about that he thought he could stay on. I
:21:21. > :21:23.think he thought there were circumstances when he could stay on
:21:24. > :21:31.and the reality is had he said, I will leave, that would have changed
:21:32. > :21:38.a lot. But he did believe there were circumstances. This is what leads
:21:39. > :21:43.cynicism about politics, politicians don't give honest, direct answers.
:21:44. > :21:47.And they give correct answers that are correct at the time. He was a
:21:48. > :21:52.human being faced with the reality of that loss and it is only about
:21:53. > :21:58.moment that you can truly know. A third example was when Boris Johnson
:21:59. > :22:02.announced he was involved in the Leave campaign that only nine
:22:03. > :22:07.minutes previously he'd sent a text to the Prime Minister telling him
:22:08. > :22:11.what he was going to do. That seemed like bad behaviour and coloured our
:22:12. > :22:15.view of Boris Johnson for a long time. It turns out he had been
:22:16. > :22:20.detecting and e-mailing the Prime Minister about his agonising choice
:22:21. > :22:24.for some time. -- sending text messages. Let me clear what happened
:22:25. > :22:27.up, when we came back from the renegotiation on the morning we were
:22:28. > :22:33.discussing what David Cameron would say. There was a message came in and
:22:34. > :22:36.he stopped, he looked at his phone and spent some time reading the
:22:37. > :22:43.message and he looked up and said, it is out. We knew that he was
:22:44. > :22:51.talking about Boris. He went through a very human, very well argued and
:22:52. > :22:54.human message. A few hours later I received a phone call saying, not
:22:55. > :23:02.said anything about Boris being out you? I had not. He was saying that
:23:03. > :23:06.Boris was at that point saying he could be reconsidering. He was not
:23:07. > :23:11.so sure. We were in a period of not going which way he was going to go.
:23:12. > :23:16.The final confirmation came nine minutes before. We could have
:23:17. > :23:20.revealed the extent to which he was wobbling all over the place like a
:23:21. > :23:24.wonky shopping trolley, as he described it himself, but we chose
:23:25. > :23:28.not to. I think that was an honourable thing to do. It made it
:23:29. > :23:32.look as if he'd kept the Prime Minister in the dark until the last
:23:33. > :23:37.minute. Which would have been better? That we had revealed? It is
:23:38. > :23:43.always better that you reveal. I don't think Boris would have thanked
:23:44. > :23:50.us for that. Let's turn to Michael Gove, you are very harsh on him. You
:23:51. > :23:54.said he was a destructive game player who suffers from a vaulting
:23:55. > :24:02.ambition and preparedness to mislead. Did he realise what the
:24:03. > :24:06.British people thought, he had a principled position against the EU
:24:07. > :24:11.which you did not have as he was right and you were all wrong? I
:24:12. > :24:15.think we did have principled positions. I'm not questioning that
:24:16. > :24:19.Michael Gove is a Eurosceptic. That is a legitimate position. But let's
:24:20. > :24:24.look at some of the things that happened and why I describe them in
:24:25. > :24:30.that way. Two days before he announced he was going to be chair
:24:31. > :24:36.of the Leave campaign, he said he would not be taking a leading role.
:24:37. > :24:41.When he was part of that it was questioning policies that were only
:24:42. > :24:44.tangentially related to Europe. He questioned the integrity of the
:24:45. > :24:50.Prime Minister, saying that he was corroding public trust. That was not
:24:51. > :24:55.behaviour that we necessarily expected from them. Let's ask about
:24:56. > :25:00.Theresa May because she appears on the edges of the story again and
:25:01. > :25:03.again. You describe her as a submarine under the water. You're
:25:04. > :25:08.never sure which way she's going to go. Somebody once says, we're not
:25:09. > :25:12.sure if she is working for the other side. You are pretty negative about
:25:13. > :25:19.her. Is the truth that actually, she saw it better than you guys? She put
:25:20. > :25:23.out a statement saying she did not want to insult people's intelligence
:25:24. > :25:27.by claiming everything is perfect about the EU or that the sky will
:25:28. > :25:32.fall in if we vote to leave. You would not let her say that. What I
:25:33. > :25:35.was happy for her to do was to express their opinions and say what
:25:36. > :25:39.was right and she was sincere in those and that was acceptable. In
:25:40. > :25:43.the book, I describe what it was like to be in the middle of that
:25:44. > :25:46.vultures campaign. It was difficult in the lead up to that campaign
:25:47. > :25:52.having a Home Secretary not reveal which side she was on. When she did
:25:53. > :25:58.reveal what's IT was on it was 51-49 and very equivocal. -- what side she
:25:59. > :26:03.was on. It is perfectly legitimate for her to do that. What the book
:26:04. > :26:08.was doing is recounting what it was like to be part of this. And during
:26:09. > :26:16.that story, again and again and again, you are very angry about what
:26:17. > :26:19.you call the lies of the Leave side, and yet from your point of view,
:26:20. > :26:24.terrible things were said which turned out not to be true, the
:26:25. > :26:30.punishment budget, we were going to have a ferocious budget if we voted
:26:31. > :26:34.to leave. That's not happened. Let us take two links. You are saying
:26:35. > :26:42.about the leave campaign. We were prepared to say that the NHS claims
:26:43. > :26:50.were not true. There is going to be an EU army. Turkey is going to be
:26:51. > :26:53.forced to join. Millions of people will come to this country. That is
:26:54. > :27:02.not true. I'm dealing with this point. In terms of our site, the
:27:03. > :27:06.punishment budget was George Osborne saying, independent economic experts
:27:07. > :27:12.were saying there will be a ?30 billion black hole in the economy.
:27:13. > :27:20.You can do that by raising tactics, -- raising taxes, or you can raise
:27:21. > :27:25.borrowing. Nothing has happened, we are members of the EU on the same
:27:26. > :27:31.terms as the 23rd of June. But there has been some good economic news but
:27:32. > :27:35.also the currency has dropped 15%, we've had growth forecast downgraded
:27:36. > :27:40.and we've also had the Chancellor of the Exchequer saying that he's going
:27:41. > :27:48.to reset fiscal policy. That sounds like a lot more borrowing to me.
:27:49. > :27:51.Let's wait and see. Thank you for joining us. Very interesting book.
:27:52. > :27:54.Dominic Cooper made his name as one of Alan Bennett's History Boys
:27:55. > :27:56.alongside his best friend James Corden.
:27:57. > :27:58.He's starred in the film version of Mamma Mia,
:27:59. > :28:01.played Saddam Hussein's son and is now back in London's West End
:28:02. > :28:03.as The Libertine, John Wilmot, Earl of Rochester, poet,
:28:04. > :28:06.When we met recently, Dominic Cooper began by telling me
:28:07. > :28:08.about his latest screen success in the TV series Preacher,
:28:09. > :28:21.You know it's a sin just to ask for that?
:28:22. > :28:32.I'm the preacher of this small town and I get consumed or this energy
:28:33. > :28:36.called Genesis enters my body and can't exist anywhere else.
:28:37. > :28:38.Which has come from outer space?
:28:39. > :28:45.It is a very, very strange piece of TV, but it was a huge hit
:28:46. > :28:47.in the States, why do you think that is?
:28:48. > :28:51.It reminded me when I first read it of something I used to love -
:28:52. > :28:53.Twin Peaks when it first came out, or early Tarantino work,
:28:54. > :28:55.and it was the people who made Breaking Bad.
:28:56. > :28:58.I thought if anyone is going to make this man like this,
:28:59. > :29:02.they are the people to do it, and from what I've seen they've done
:29:03. > :29:13.And it's crucial to your character, he's a man who is struggling
:29:14. > :29:16.with whether or not God exists, and struggling with his own belief,
:29:17. > :29:19.which takes us to the stage play you're doing - Rochester,
:29:20. > :29:23.We have John Wilmot, Earl of Rochester.
:29:24. > :29:26.If somebody wrote a cartoon book about whom no one would believe it.
:29:27. > :29:28.One of the most extraordinary figures in English poetry.
:29:29. > :29:33.I always find it hard to imagine where we are now to believe
:29:34. > :29:35.that anyone like that who was so forward-thinking
:29:36. > :29:39.in his time existed then, so many years ago.
:29:40. > :29:40.I don't think you would, you certainly wouldn't be able
:29:41. > :29:43.to write a comic depicting a man that existed then who was doing
:29:44. > :29:51.Blasphemer, libels the king, a filthy poet, probably an atheist,
:29:52. > :29:54.may have had a deathbed conversion back to Christianity or not,
:29:55. > :29:58.we don't know, dies at 33 of syphilis, cross-dresser,
:29:59. > :30:01.first poem in the English language in praise of sodomy...
:30:02. > :30:06.Now you put it like that, it's wonderful.
:30:07. > :30:12.Yes, all those things, which is why I had to play him.
:30:13. > :30:15.And it's a very physically demanding role, isn't it?
:30:16. > :30:22.Yes, I've never experienced anything so versatile in that way.
:30:23. > :30:24.I don't stop talking and I don't stop physically moving around
:30:25. > :30:29.But that's him, his energy, his emphaticness and his enthusiasm
:30:30. > :30:33.towards life at the beginning, which slowly...
:30:34. > :30:37.Rather rapidly deteriorates, is what makes the man or the man
:30:38. > :30:43.If you read his poetry, his love letters he wrote
:30:44. > :30:47.to his mistress or his wife, they are beautiful and you see that
:30:48. > :30:50.side of him, you see a true part of the man,
:30:51. > :30:53.then you learn what he was like in his younger years
:30:54. > :30:58.when he travelled Europe and the chaos he got up to.
:30:59. > :31:00.And then, for me, very much the relationship he had
:31:01. > :31:05.with his father and with the king, and he never
:31:06. > :31:08.really got over the loss of his father, and he blamed it on the
:31:09. > :31:11.He almost wanted to taste everything and experience everything
:31:12. > :31:13.and take everything as far as possible,
:31:14. > :31:19.must always exceed otherwise I don't feel like I'm alive.
:31:20. > :31:26.But he could never reach those heights.
:31:27. > :31:28.You have had some great roles but one of the
:31:29. > :31:37.greatest was Uday Hussein, Saddam Hussein's psychotic son.
:31:38. > :31:38.Tell me about that character, in terms of
:31:39. > :31:45.That was in relation to his father, and if
:31:46. > :31:48.you have a father like Saddam you don't have a
:31:49. > :31:55.But he was an absolute monster, and it was very hard.
:31:56. > :32:01.Whenever you play these characters, you've got to find some redeeming
:32:02. > :32:09.qualities that other people saw in them that they could exist with,
:32:10. > :32:15.You have to find the human truth because there must
:32:16. > :32:17.have been a glimmer of something good somewhere.
:32:18. > :32:21.Something that is so repressed deep down, some dark,
:32:22. > :32:24.nasty, vile thing that happened to them as children or that you
:32:25. > :32:27.experienced and you need to access that.
:32:28. > :32:35.Nobody must know this,
:32:36. > :32:39.Tell anybody and I will have to cut your tongue out.
:32:40. > :32:42.You were not born with a golden spoon in your
:32:43. > :32:47.mouth, you did not go to Eton, you needed
:32:48. > :32:49.bursaries and help to get into acting.
:32:50. > :32:51.You said recently London is becoming a
:32:52. > :32:54.really tough place for actors young actors who are not already rich
:32:55. > :33:00.I luckily live at home because I'm from London.
:33:01. > :33:03.How on earth many of the students came from elsewhere paying
:33:04. > :33:09.Yes, I did say in that interview, I hope what makes
:33:10. > :33:11.this city so beautiful and wonderful and interesting and
:33:12. > :33:14.intriguing to be part of, which is much to do with the art,
:33:15. > :33:16.is not pushing the artists out to a point
:33:17. > :33:19.where they won't exist anymore and the city will become
:33:20. > :33:27.Thank you very much for talking to us.
:33:28. > :33:31.Dominic Cooper, one of our most interesting and versatile actors.
:33:32. > :33:33.Now a look at what's coming up after this programme...
:33:34. > :33:36.Coming up on Sunday Morning Live: Sam Allardyce says 'entrapment has
:33:37. > :33:40.A baby with three genetic parents is unveiled -
:33:41. > :33:45.we ask where is this line of research taking us.
:33:46. > :33:48.And we have Harris J, who's been called the Muslim Justin
:33:49. > :33:58.And without more ado - she doesn't like fuss -
:33:59. > :34:08.You are announcing today this Great Repeal Bill, can you start off by
:34:09. > :34:12.explaining what it means. Yes, when the United Kingdom joined the
:34:13. > :34:15.European Union, legislation was passed in the European Communities
:34:16. > :34:19.Act which enshrined that relationship we have is a member of
:34:20. > :34:23.the European Union. What we will be doing with the Great Repeal Bill is
:34:24. > :34:28.repealing that European Communities Act. That means the UK will be an
:34:29. > :34:34.independent sovereign nation making its own laws. I cannot quite work
:34:35. > :34:38.out, is this a statement of the blindingly obvious? In other words
:34:39. > :34:44.we know we are leaving the EU, and at that point EU law ceases to
:34:45. > :34:48.apply, but is it such a big deal really? It is an important step we
:34:49. > :34:53.are taking because firstly it makes it very clear to the British people
:34:54. > :34:58.who voted for us to leave the EU that is exactly what we are doing.
:34:59. > :35:03.Secondly it gives that greater degree of clarity about the sort of
:35:04. > :35:07.timetables we are following. And crucially, it is important for us to
:35:08. > :35:12.set this out now so we have the timing so when we leave the European
:35:13. > :35:15.Union there is a smooth transition. I think that is important,
:35:16. > :35:22.particularly for the economy and business. So all of those European
:35:23. > :35:28.laws people have been complaining about for years, they become British
:35:29. > :35:31.laws? We will take European law into UK law, then because we will be
:35:32. > :35:36.independent and sovereign in relation to this, we will be able to
:35:37. > :35:40.decide on those laws. Parliament will be able to decide whether we
:35:41. > :35:45.wish to change those or keep those laws and I think it is important to
:35:46. > :35:54.bring that body of law into UK law because it is that which protects
:35:55. > :35:58.workers' writes. I can see a lot of MPs saying rather than incorporating
:35:59. > :36:02.this into UK law, I would like to change it. Are you sure you will be
:36:03. > :36:09.able to get this bill through the House of Commons? It is an important
:36:10. > :36:12.step in leaving the European Union. Parliament voted 6-1 to give the
:36:13. > :36:19.British people the choice as to whether to stay in the EU or leave.
:36:20. > :36:24.People voted, they want us to leave. This is an important step, and in
:36:25. > :36:29.terms of getting this through, I think it is important we have this
:36:30. > :36:32.in place so there is a smooth transition, so workers know their
:36:33. > :36:36.rights are protected, businesses know where they stand, then we will
:36:37. > :36:41.be able to make our laws and determine whether we want to change
:36:42. > :36:44.them. In terms of the brutal politics, there are lots of
:36:45. > :36:47.opposition MPs who might want to vote this down, and a lot of Tories
:36:48. > :36:52.on the so-called soft Brexit argument who might want to vote this
:36:53. > :36:57.down. You may not be able to get this through, and if you can't is
:36:58. > :37:03.that the trigger for another general election? As I have just said, when
:37:04. > :37:08.Parliament voted for a referendum on staying in the EU, Parliament voted
:37:09. > :37:13.6-1 to say to the British people, this is your choice, you give your
:37:14. > :37:16.voice. The British people have determined that we will leave the
:37:17. > :37:22.European Union and I think anybody looking at this Great Repeal Bill,
:37:23. > :37:27.which will make us that independent sovereign nation once again, anybody
:37:28. > :37:31.looking at that should remember this is about delivering for the British
:37:32. > :37:35.people, and to me it's not just about leaving the EU, it's about
:37:36. > :37:39.that essential question of the trust people can live in their
:37:40. > :37:46.politicians. The people have spoken, we will deliver. Again, some MPs may
:37:47. > :37:51.say hold on, we have no idea at all what kind of Wrexham you are taking
:37:52. > :37:56.us to, why should we give you a blank check before you set out on
:37:57. > :38:00.it? Of course we will be starting the negotiations once we have
:38:01. > :38:04.triggered Article 50, but I think it is important as we go through that
:38:05. > :38:09.process of negotiation, I want to get the right deal for the British
:38:10. > :38:14.people. I'm not as mystic about the opportunities available to the UK,
:38:15. > :38:19.we want the right deal for our continuing relationship with
:38:20. > :38:24.countries and inside the EU and with the EU itself, but it is not right
:38:25. > :38:27.to give a running commentary or set out at every stage what are
:38:28. > :38:32.negotiating hand is because you don't get a good deal if that's how
:38:33. > :38:38.you approach it. Do we actually need negotiations with the EU? I think we
:38:39. > :38:43.want to negotiate with them what the relationship will be. Life will be
:38:44. > :38:46.different in the future, we will be that independent country, but
:38:47. > :38:52.crucially we want still to have a good relationship with countries
:38:53. > :38:58.inside the European Union and with the EU itself. That's important for
:38:59. > :39:03.our economy, for jobs in the UK, for us to be able to continue working
:39:04. > :39:08.with them on issues around crime and security. There are some of your own
:39:09. > :39:14.MPs, Bernard Jenkin and others, who said we don't need a negotiation.
:39:15. > :39:18.Article 50 will chart us in a series of talks, and actually all we need
:39:19. > :39:22.to do now is say, we will not put tariffs on your goods coming in, we
:39:23. > :39:29.don't expect you to put tariffs on our goods coming to you, take it or
:39:30. > :39:34.leave it, goodbye. The process of leaving the European Union is quite
:39:35. > :39:40.complex, we have got to look at a range of issues... Must it be
:39:41. > :39:45.complex? There is complexity in our relationship with the EU at the
:39:46. > :39:49.moment. I think we owe it to people in terms of their job and protection
:39:50. > :39:52.of workers in the UK, we owe it to businesses, people who want to
:39:53. > :39:57.invest in the UK in the future to make sure we get the right deal for
:39:58. > :40:01.trade in goods and services and I think that's about sitting down with
:40:02. > :40:06.the European Union. It's not just about what we want, I think we want
:40:07. > :40:10.a strong EU that we can continue to trade with, they have an interest in
:40:11. > :40:16.trading with us and that's how we will get the right deal for Britain.
:40:17. > :40:20.You say no one in commentary, and all commentators gasp at that, but
:40:21. > :40:23.much more importantly people who are making big investment decisions,
:40:24. > :40:28.most recently Nissan say they cannot decide whether to invest more money
:40:29. > :40:33.in new factories and products until they know roughly speaking where you
:40:34. > :40:37.are going. Aren't you in danger by not giving commentary about which
:40:38. > :40:41.kind of exit you want but you are starving Britain of investment?
:40:42. > :40:46.There is a difference between not giving any commentary and giving
:40:47. > :40:49.running commentary. Today I'm setting out some further detail on
:40:50. > :40:53.the timing and the way we will approach this whole question and of
:40:54. > :40:58.course the Great Repeal Bill. That will give people greater clarity, so
:40:59. > :41:03.when I think it is right to be talking about the approach we are
:41:04. > :41:07.taking, we of course will do that. But everybody assumes, commentators
:41:08. > :41:12.want to have a day by day, what is it you are talking about now, that
:41:13. > :41:17.is the wrong way to deal with the negotiation. Just now you talked
:41:18. > :41:21.about timing which allows me to ask again about the timing of triggering
:41:22. > :41:27.Article 50. Boris Johnson suggested maybe early next year, Donald Tusk
:41:28. > :41:32.has suggested he thinks the same thing, are they right? I have been
:41:33. > :41:39.saying we wouldn't trigger it before the end of this year, so we can get
:41:40. > :41:48.some cooperation in place, but we will be triggering it before March
:41:49. > :41:55.next year. And following that we have two years to conclude these
:41:56. > :42:00.negotiations? Yes. So once you trigger Article 50, then what
:42:01. > :42:04.happens? The remaining members of the EU have got to decide what the
:42:05. > :42:09.process of negotiation is. I hope and I will be saying to them, now
:42:10. > :42:13.they know what our timing will be, it is not an exact date but they
:42:14. > :42:17.know it will be in the first quarter of next year, we will be able to
:42:18. > :42:21.have some preparatory work so when the trigger comes we will have a
:42:22. > :42:30.smooth the process of negotiation. It is not just important for the UK,
:42:31. > :42:34.it is important for Europe as a whole that we are able to do this in
:42:35. > :42:36.the best possible way so we have the least disruption for businesses. You
:42:37. > :42:41.were talking about investors earlier in your questions. And when we leave
:42:42. > :42:44.the EU, we have a smooth transition. Can I ask about Parliament itself
:42:45. > :42:48.because all of this is about making Parliament sovereign, and yet at the
:42:49. > :42:52.moment it suggests we will go through this negotiation and the
:42:53. > :42:55.most important talks probably this country has had for generations,
:42:56. > :43:01.without Parliament knowing what is going on. Parliament needs to know
:43:02. > :43:07.stage by stage what is happening surely? The Great Repeal Bill we
:43:08. > :43:12.have just been talking about, Parliament will be having its say on
:43:13. > :43:17.that and at various stages we will be keeping Parliament informed. This
:43:18. > :43:21.is not about keeping silent for two years, but it's about making sure we
:43:22. > :43:25.are able to negotiate, that we don't set out all the cards in our
:43:26. > :43:29.negotiation because as anybody will know who has been involved in these
:43:30. > :43:36.things, if you do that upfront you don't get the right deal. What I'm
:43:37. > :43:37.determined to do is get the right deal for Britain. The argument
:43:38. > :43:42.running through the Conservative Party in Birmingham is about the
:43:43. > :43:46.nature of the exit we negotiate. I know this soft and hard thing is
:43:47. > :43:51.irritating jargon but nonetheless there is a truth there. There are
:43:52. > :43:55.those who say it is important to keep tariff free market open, that
:43:56. > :44:01.will require a detailed negotiation and we might have to concede stuff
:44:02. > :44:06.to allow that to happen. Others say no, we turn our back on the EU in
:44:07. > :44:10.effect, we say take it or leave it and we have a blanket ban on the
:44:11. > :44:17.free movement of people from the rest of the EU. Can you give any
:44:18. > :44:21.indication in which you are tending? When the vote took place, apart from
:44:22. > :44:25.the message of leaving the European Union, I think there was also a
:44:26. > :44:29.clear message from the British people that they wanted us to
:44:30. > :44:34.control movement of people from the EU coming into the UK so we will
:44:35. > :44:38.deliver on that. But I don't look at it in the terms you have set out. We
:44:39. > :44:41.want to negotiate what we believe will be the right deal for the
:44:42. > :44:47.British people, the right deal for Britain when we leave the EU. That's
:44:48. > :44:50.about negotiating on things like trading in goods and services and
:44:51. > :44:57.making sure we get that good deal. I don't look at it is it this model or
:44:58. > :45:02.that one, I say what is going to be right for the UK, let's go and get
:45:03. > :45:05.it. Let's talk about migration in particular. I can remember having a
:45:06. > :45:10.discussion with you when you were Home Secretary. You were seething
:45:11. > :45:14.with frustration because I kept saying you cannot control the number
:45:15. > :45:18.of people going in and at that point you couldn't, but are you a clear
:45:19. > :45:22.that after the vote people want complete control so you are able to
:45:23. > :45:28.say as Prime Minister nobody comes in or actually it benefits us to get
:45:29. > :45:32.70,000 engineers in, but the control will definitely be in Parliament and
:45:33. > :45:33.there will be an end to the free movement of people in all
:45:34. > :45:43.circumstances across the EU? What people that a government that
:45:44. > :45:47.can set the rules of who comes into the country. The frustration was
:45:48. > :45:52.people could come into the UK from the European Union. There are a
:45:53. > :45:58.number of ways you can do this, and we need to look at what is best for
:45:59. > :46:02.the UK. The important point is to have rules that are set by the
:46:03. > :46:13.government so it is the UK Government who determines, and
:46:14. > :46:16.ensures we have control. Those involved in universities, car
:46:17. > :46:21.manufacturing, whatever it is, who are thinking, I need some more
:46:22. > :46:26.people in, I need skilled workers, some kind of work permit system
:46:27. > :46:32.might be a way forward? We will look at various ways in which we can
:46:33. > :46:36.bring in the control the people would want. We will make sure the
:46:37. > :46:44.brightest and best can come to the UK. You mentioned the word skills.
:46:45. > :46:50.That lights up another issue, why it is we've not been skilling up people
:46:51. > :46:56.in the UK to take on these jobs. I want to make sure we have a society
:46:57. > :47:05.where everyone can go as far as their talents can take them. How
:47:06. > :47:10.important is it that British business has access to the single
:47:11. > :47:14.market. I want the right deal and what David Davis and his department
:47:15. > :47:22.are doing is listening to businesses in the UK, finding out what it is
:47:23. > :47:26.they find most important to them. I've been sitting there with big and
:47:27. > :47:35.small British businesses and listened to investors in the UK. I
:47:36. > :47:43.sat down with some investors and companies, those who are providing
:47:44. > :47:49.jobs in the UK. We are listening to people and failure what it is most
:47:50. > :47:54.important. This process starts, article 50 is triggered by the end
:47:55. > :48:00.of March. By the end of March next year. You wanted this to be a moment
:48:01. > :48:07.when you appealed to the middle, people pupil Robert yours -- people
:48:08. > :48:13.who are making ends meet. All politicians want to win elections in
:48:14. > :48:17.the centre ground, what more is it than warm words? You talk about the
:48:18. > :48:26.centre ground, as a party we are building a new centre Brendan
:48:27. > :48:34.British politics. -- a new centre in British politics. I want politics
:48:35. > :48:38.that works for everyone, society that works for everyone so people
:48:39. > :48:42.can have the opportunity to go where their talents take them. We started
:48:43. > :48:46.setting that out in different areas, I've made a key speech on education
:48:47. > :48:51.about ensuring young people are given the opportunity to develop
:48:52. > :48:54.their talents. I want a society that I called a great meritocracy,
:48:55. > :48:59.they're what matters about your future is how hard you work and your
:49:00. > :49:08.talents, not where you come from or your parents, what your accent is. I
:49:09. > :49:12.understand that. You raised grammar schools. What do you say to people
:49:13. > :49:16.watching who say, we don't want to go back to 1955 and a stark
:49:17. > :49:21.separation of children at the age of 11. Wonderful for those who are
:49:22. > :49:29.chosen but could be very damaging or devastating for those who feel those
:49:30. > :49:34.exams -- who did not pass. We're not going back to that system of binary
:49:35. > :49:42.education. We're not going back to the 1950s. What will be different
:49:43. > :49:51.is, we've had great success in improving schools. Academies and
:49:52. > :49:55.free schools have had an impact. 1.4 million children are in schools
:49:56. > :49:59.which are good or outstanding. But there are a quarter of a million in
:50:00. > :50:03.schools that are underperforming. We need to increase the capacity of the
:50:04. > :50:11.system and that's what my speech was about. We will be building on the
:50:12. > :50:14.free school policies and continuing those but crucially, we are saying
:50:15. > :50:21.we want universities to take more of an interest, the independent sector,
:50:22. > :50:29.we are changing the rules on faith schools. I want to remove the ban we
:50:30. > :50:34.have in our system, the legislation that says you cannot set up a
:50:35. > :50:39.selective school. We all know in practice what happens out there is
:50:40. > :50:43.the selection by house price. Or by well. I want to make sure that good
:50:44. > :50:52.quality education is available across the board. Once you have
:50:53. > :50:59.academic selection and children chosen, I come back to this brutal
:51:00. > :51:08.thing that happened at 11, a lot of people saying you cannot go back to
:51:09. > :51:11.that. It will not be completely binary, there will be different
:51:12. > :51:18.types of schools providing education. What I've always said
:51:19. > :51:25.throughout my political career, we want the education that is right for
:51:26. > :51:28.every child. I think for those, the point about what we're doing is
:51:29. > :51:33.removing the ban on selection and saying to grammar schools, if you
:51:34. > :51:38.are setting up a school we want you to show that you are genuinely
:51:39. > :51:46.reaching out across society in giving those opportunities to young
:51:47. > :51:54.people and ensuring... Does that mean targets for less well-off kids?
:51:55. > :52:00.It could mean a variety of things. We are consulting as to the best
:52:01. > :52:05.approach on this. It will be about making sure that when schools are
:52:06. > :52:08.expanding their reaching out, making sure the quality of education is
:52:09. > :52:13.there through a system. It is also one of the other things in the
:52:14. > :52:16.consultation was about how we identify those children for whom
:52:17. > :52:24.free school meals has always been used as a measure in education. When
:52:25. > :52:28.I was cheering and education committee we were talking about
:52:29. > :52:34.other measures. Looking at how we identify those people not captured
:52:35. > :52:37.by that who are struggling. If there's a huge new policy for the
:52:38. > :52:42.whole of England? Are we going to see a grammar school in every small
:52:43. > :52:48.town in England? This is about letting the system developed. The
:52:49. > :52:54.government is taking off the ban on a particular type of school. It is
:52:55. > :53:02.letting the system. People will come forward. The speech I made and the
:53:03. > :53:06.announcement I made, everybody is focused on this but it is about
:53:07. > :53:14.ensuring we have good school places for every child and the capacity of
:53:15. > :53:18.the system across the board. Let's move onto one other thing. We used
:53:19. > :53:21.to have an honours system in this country which meant people who'd
:53:22. > :53:27.given back something extra to society, money to charity or time to
:53:28. > :53:30.charity, got an honour. It was per people who'd really pretend
:53:31. > :53:33.something above and beyond. We seem to have drifted into an honours
:53:34. > :53:39.system which rewards people who are already rich and successful. They
:53:40. > :53:43.are often famous and on telly. Or they've got friends in government.
:53:44. > :53:51.Many people wonder whether it is a fair system. Would you like to see
:53:52. > :53:58.it returned to a more basic system? If you look at any of the honours,
:53:59. > :54:00.the vast majority are people who've given something to the local
:54:01. > :54:10.community or been involved in charities. The focus is always on
:54:11. > :54:20.the big names and the headlines in that sense. I agree that we want an
:54:21. > :54:24.honours system that ensures we can recognise when people are
:54:25. > :54:28.contributing to their communities. It takes me on to the question of
:54:29. > :54:33.yourself. As I said at the beginning lots of people don't know who you
:54:34. > :54:45.are. Can I ask you about your early upbringing? Were you stringent or
:54:46. > :54:50.comfortably off? First of all, very happy and stable and I think what
:54:51. > :54:53.was important was my parents always give me the message, whatever you
:54:54. > :54:59.do, try and do your best. That's what I've followed throughout my
:55:00. > :55:07.life. It was not... Brotherly Conservatives? We did not talk about
:55:08. > :55:12.politics. I was brought up as an only child of a great interest in
:55:13. > :55:15.current affairs. My father was a clergyman as you know. He took a
:55:16. > :55:19.very simple view. He was the clergyman for the whole of this
:55:20. > :55:24.parish, the local vicar, it was not right for him to set out his
:55:25. > :55:30.politics, because he should be appealing and working with everybody
:55:31. > :55:38.in his parish. I was limited as to what I was able to do publicly
:55:39. > :55:42.because he wanted to make sure that there was nobody who felt they could
:55:43. > :55:46.not approach him. You lost him and your mother very early on. I did
:55:47. > :55:55.that affect you as a person and a politician? I did lose them both
:55:56. > :56:08.very early. One after the other. I hope what I have continued to do I
:56:09. > :56:13.would try to do the best in whatever job I do. Want to give back. I
:56:14. > :56:18.learned a strong belief in public service and in trying to understand
:56:19. > :56:21.what you need to do for other people. It is not just about what
:56:22. > :56:26.you think. It is about getting out there and hearing from people,
:56:27. > :56:32.listening to their voice. Delivering for them. Like Margaret Thatcher you
:56:33. > :56:37.had a father who was a liberal just -- who was a religious leader, you
:56:38. > :56:41.would describe yourself as a believing Christian, you came from a
:56:42. > :56:46.family that was not very rich. As the Conservative Party better off
:56:47. > :56:51.when it is led by someone from that background. The Conservative Party
:56:52. > :56:56.has had leaders from all sorts of background. I think what David
:56:57. > :56:59.Cameron did is really important, he took us into the first majority
:57:00. > :57:04.government for nearly a quarter of a century and change the party whilst
:57:05. > :57:10.doing that. Others, each leader will approach the leadership of the party
:57:11. > :57:15.in their own way. But the party as a whole is strongest when it works for
:57:16. > :57:21.everyone. It is strongest when it is reaching into every part of the
:57:22. > :57:26.country and every part of society. This sounds to me like what George
:57:27. > :57:31.Osborne said about representing the liberal mainstream. Why did you sack
:57:32. > :57:40.him? He's contributed hugely to British politics over the last few
:57:41. > :57:45.years, in government and opposition. And you sack him. I was put together
:57:46. > :57:50.my team, I have a great deal of Cabinet ministers, we have great
:57:51. > :57:53.discussions about the table, as we put policies together and share that
:57:54. > :58:05.vision of a country that works for everyone. Warren -- can I ask you
:58:06. > :58:10.about your cabinet, because people say you're returning it to an
:58:11. > :58:14.old-fashioned one, discussing it around the table, by committee,
:58:15. > :58:20.going back to the traditional Parliamentary style of government.
:58:21. > :58:24.Is that accurate? We are looking at more Cabinet discussion. I've set up
:58:25. > :58:27.three new subcommittees. Secretaries of state are coming together in
:58:28. > :58:30.different groupings more frequently than they have in the past to look
:58:31. > :58:40.different issues. I've said we will be a government that will work more
:58:41. > :58:47.with green papers and white papers. We are hearing voices as we develop
:58:48. > :58:51.policy. Do you think there was too much silver government? Too many
:58:52. > :59:00.chums sitting around and not enough process? -- too much sofa
:59:01. > :59:04.government. I think what we've done is the way that it is important to
:59:05. > :59:08.take government forward. Over the last few years we've achieved a lot
:59:09. > :59:12.as a Conservative government. One very final question. Everybody wants
:59:13. > :59:15.to know, is your husband going to be on the platform when you make your
:59:16. > :59:21.speech? I don't know why they want to know that. You'll have to wait
:59:22. > :59:27.and see. On that note, thank you very much, Theresa May, Prime
:59:28. > :59:30.Minister. Next week I'm going to speak to Ken Clarke, looking back on
:59:31. > :59:34.his long life in politics. Andrea will be here in one hour, when his
:59:35. > :59:38.guests will include Iain Duncan Smith. Thank you for now. -- Andrew
:59:39. > :59:40.Neill.