:00:00. > :00:08.This week Theresa May was confronted by MPs from all sides
:00:09. > :00:11.demanding that Parliament should be given a say on how we leave
:00:12. > :00:15.Is it really possible that the Commons could frustrate the
:00:16. > :00:38.Speaking for the government, the leading Leave campaigner
:00:39. > :00:47.And challenging Theresa May, while planning for a second Scottish
:00:48. > :00:48.independence referendum, Nicola Sturgeon.
:00:49. > :00:53.And leading that revolt in the Commons,
:00:54. > :01:02.In our paper review this morning, experienced figures from both sides
:01:03. > :01:07.Lucy Thomas, former leading light of Stronger In.
:01:08. > :01:19.Fresh from his starring role in David Bowie's swansong Lazarus,
:01:20. > :01:22.Dexter and Six Feet Under star, Michael C Hall looks back
:01:23. > :01:40.# Looked up here, man, I am in danger.
:01:41. > :01:42.# I've got nothing left to lose. A reminiscent voice.
:01:43. > :01:44.But first the news with Tina Daheley.
:01:45. > :01:47.Boris Johnson said Britain remaining in the European Union would be
:01:48. > :01:49.a "boon for the world and for Europe" in a previously
:01:50. > :01:54.The Foreign Secretary wrote the Remain-backing article two days
:01:55. > :01:57.before he revealed he would be campaigning for Brexit.
:01:58. > :02:02.Sources close to Mr Johnson say the piece was only written as a way
:02:03. > :02:04.of helping him clarify his thoughts as political correspondent
:02:05. > :02:09.It's well known that Boris Johnson wavered over which side
:02:10. > :02:12.Just days before declaring he backed Brexit, Mr Johnson wrote
:02:13. > :02:16.a series of articles, not all intended for
:02:17. > :02:19.publication, setting out the conflicting arguments.
:02:20. > :02:22.Now the Sunday Times has printed the column in which he made
:02:23. > :02:30.In it, Mr Johnson said the UK should be intimately engaged with the EU.
:02:31. > :02:33.He suggested Brexit could lead to an economic shock or the break-up
:02:34. > :02:38.of the UK and said access to the single market came with just
:02:39. > :02:41.a small membership fee, directly contradicting his public
:02:42. > :02:44.stance both during the referendum campaign and since becoming
:02:45. > :02:50.Sources said Mr Johnson only wrote the piece to help
:02:51. > :02:53.articulate his thoughts and it made him realise the case
:02:54. > :02:59.And while critics will say the existence of this column
:03:00. > :03:02.undermines Mr Johnson's commitment to Brexit,
:03:03. > :03:04.the full content appears only to highlight his
:03:05. > :03:14.Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has been strongly criticised for failing
:03:15. > :03:19.to provide "consistent leadership" in tackling anti-Semitism
:03:20. > :03:24.The Commons Home Affairs Committee said this had created a "safe space"
:03:25. > :03:28.for those with "vile attitudes" towards Jewish people.
:03:29. > :03:31.But Mr Corbyn accused the committee of placing a disproportionate
:03:32. > :03:35.US Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump
:03:36. > :03:37.has accused his rival Hillary Clinton of having been
:03:38. > :03:41."on some kind of drug" during their last debate.
:03:42. > :03:44.At a rally in New Hampshire, Mr Trump said both he and his
:03:45. > :03:47.White House rival should take a drugs test before their next
:03:48. > :03:54.South Korea and the United States say a missile test by North Korea
:03:55. > :03:59.The rocket is said to have exploded soon after its launch.
:04:00. > :04:03.It has an estimated range of up to 2,500 miles,
:04:04. > :04:06.which would be enough to hit Japan and the US territory of Guam.
:04:07. > :04:09.Pyongyang has not yet reacted to the news.
:04:10. > :04:12.The British director Steve McQueen has been given
:04:13. > :04:15.the BFI's highest honour - a Fellowship - at the
:04:16. > :04:20.The Oscar-winning director of 12 Years a Slave was presented
:04:21. > :04:22.with the award last night by actor Michael Fassbender
:04:23. > :04:32.That's all from me, now back to you, Andrew.
:04:33. > :04:42.Nobody here on any drugs apart from caffeine, we are wired on caffeine,
:04:43. > :04:45.I have to more new. The headlines, 13-year-old allegations against
:04:46. > :04:52.British troops make the front pages of a couple of papers. The Mail on
:04:53. > :04:58.Sunday. The same on the front of the Sunday Telegraph with army outrage
:04:59. > :05:06.at betrayal of Iraqi war troops. The Sunday Times has the story about
:05:07. > :05:14.Boris Johnson. We will talk about that in a moment. And also the
:05:15. > :05:23.Select Committee report and the safe space for anti-Semitism. We will
:05:24. > :05:31.start with the Boris Johnson story. It is giving us most amusement. I am
:05:32. > :05:37.not sure if he had come out with that as a remain campaigner it would
:05:38. > :05:42.have convinced people. He starts it asking whether David Cameron thinks
:05:43. > :05:47.the renegotiation, half of it is the renegotiation and the end is I
:05:48. > :05:51.cannot bring myself to back him so it was a political calculation, not
:05:52. > :05:56.about what was best for the country, what is best for the economy, he
:05:57. > :06:00.slips in the fact that it could lead to the break-up of the United
:06:01. > :06:04.Kingdom and it could lead to Russian aggression, there could be serious
:06:05. > :06:10.consequences but for me this is politics. It is reasonable to lay
:06:11. > :06:17.out the argument in two ways, but most unfortunate for him that they
:06:18. > :06:20.obtained the peace and printed it. I think now that we can read the
:06:21. > :06:26.column that was never published, that is not news, we knew he had
:06:27. > :06:32.written the two columns. Now that we can read it, we can see that he
:06:33. > :06:37.could not really persuade himself that coming out for Remain was a
:06:38. > :06:42.good idea, containing passages that if we fail to get reform Britain
:06:43. > :06:52.would have a great future outside, but we have no reform, so nothing
:06:53. > :06:57.for it then. And he calls the Prime Minister's deal a bit of a dud. It
:06:58. > :07:02.undermines his account, that he tried to write the column to see if
:07:03. > :07:06.he could find a way to make the argument for Remain. None of it is
:07:07. > :07:10.about the detail, what does life outside the EU looked like? Nobody
:07:11. > :07:16.thought about that, while prices go up, there was no thinking of that,
:07:17. > :07:24.it was purely if the renegotiation is enough, and is the status quo the
:07:25. > :07:29.right thing, not about life outside. The detail that follows is obsessed
:07:30. > :07:33.in the Commons and the courts. The Sun newspaper has a piece about this
:07:34. > :07:41.coalition building up in the Commons to put Theresa May on the spot. It
:07:42. > :07:46.is the story I believe you will talk to Nick Clegg about, an attempt by
:07:47. > :07:51.various Remoaners to cobble together a cross-party parliamentary alliance
:07:52. > :07:55.to try to insist on a vote on what the Brexit strategy should be. My
:07:56. > :08:04.problem with this is not just... It is the third attempt. It is the
:08:05. > :08:20.remain as moaning -- remain group. If there is
:08:21. > :08:24.a vote I think a majority of MPs will vote to trigger Article 50.
:08:25. > :08:28.There was the Owen Smith attempt there should be a vote once we know
:08:29. > :08:32.the terms of the deal before finally pulling the trigger after Article 50
:08:33. > :08:37.has been triggered and now the third attempt which means that ought to be
:08:38. > :08:41.a Parliamentary vote on the terms on Theresa May negotiates on. Is it
:08:42. > :08:45.reasonable to say we voted to leave, but quite what that means is not
:08:46. > :08:53.clear and therefore there are issues that MPs have right to discuss? The
:08:54. > :08:56.problem is that if MPs decide they will reject a hard Brexit and
:08:57. > :08:59.Theresa May should take that off the table before going into the
:09:00. > :09:03.negotiation it is like sending her in the boxing ring with one hand
:09:04. > :09:07.tied behind her back, if she cannot threaten a hard Brexit she is less
:09:08. > :09:13.likely to get concessions on freedom of movement. Why do this to her
:09:14. > :09:18.going into this process? There is a ferocious attack on people like Toby
:09:19. > :09:24.in the Observer editorial and a defence of these blockheads as the
:09:25. > :09:27.Sun newspaper described them. What I would say is it is the ultimate
:09:28. > :09:35.irony that a campaign based on making our Parliament, more
:09:36. > :09:39.sovereignty for the UK, more democratic accountability, but the
:09:40. > :09:42.biggest decision constitutionally this country has taken, you do not
:09:43. > :09:49.want Parliament have a say because it is a bit inconvenient. The
:09:50. > :09:52.details would be gone over and I do understand showing your hand early
:09:53. > :09:57.can have an impact on negotiations but it is a huge decision and
:09:58. > :10:02.calling us Remoaners when all we care about is the country getting
:10:03. > :10:05.the best deal, accepting the results. What does the deal looked
:10:06. > :10:10.like? None of your friends on the Leave campaign saw fit to say what
:10:11. > :10:15.the deal would be. And hard Brexit is worse than a softer Brexit. We
:10:16. > :10:20.knew what they were against. I said to Michael Gove, does it mean we are
:10:21. > :10:24.outside the single market and he said absolutely yes. Those things
:10:25. > :10:29.were clear and it was clear in the course of the referendum campaign
:10:30. > :10:37.that if people, voting to leave were voting to take back control over
:10:38. > :10:40.immigration and do that you cannot be in the single market, they say
:10:41. > :10:43.and quite a lot of this is clear and pushes us towards a hard Brexit.
:10:44. > :10:48.Except for the implications, prices going up. And falling back on world
:10:49. > :10:53.trade tariffs. Somebody on the news was heartbreaking, saying why did
:10:54. > :10:58.nobody warn us prices go up? We tried and were told it was Project
:10:59. > :11:02.Fear. These are the implications and I am sorry people will see their
:11:03. > :11:08.cost of living go up. We are seeing it with food and petrol. That is the
:11:09. > :11:12.sadness, people voted for ?350 million a week for the NHS and that
:11:13. > :11:18.will not happen. It is clear we voted to leave the EU and the latest
:11:19. > :11:24.tactic, even though people like Nick Clegg said they just want a vote on
:11:25. > :11:28.how to negotiate, it is a blocking tactic by those unhappy at losing
:11:29. > :11:33.the referendum. The curiosity of the new tactic is they emphasise the
:11:34. > :11:36.reason levers voted to leave was because they cared passionately
:11:37. > :11:41.about sovereignty until now, they accused us as being racist but
:11:42. > :11:44.finally they acknowledge that it is actually more about Parliamentary
:11:45. > :11:49.sovereignty than it is about immigration. I would say, Lucy,
:11:50. > :11:53.there will be an opportunity for Parliament to vote, they will vote
:11:54. > :11:57.on the great repeal Bill so it is not as if the principle is at stake.
:11:58. > :12:05.There will be a Parliamentary vote on Brexit. In the Sunday Telegraph.
:12:06. > :12:10.Tell us about that. It is more of the same saying it is Project Fear
:12:11. > :12:16.mark two. It is sad the level of debate has got to this where you
:12:17. > :12:20.cannot have a grown-up discussion about what the terms. If people did
:12:21. > :12:26.not feel they fully understood the facts they should be a proper debate
:12:27. > :12:32.and the fact we are labelled Remoaners, there should be scrutiny.
:12:33. > :12:37.Let's try and grow up because it has got divisive. Lots of us sit around
:12:38. > :12:43.talking about it but this has Cabinet level. A spread in the mail
:12:44. > :12:46.on the Sunday suggests we could lose Chancellor Philip Hammond who is
:12:47. > :12:51.angry about the way he has been excluded from meetings, he is
:12:52. > :12:57.leading the so-called soft Brexit. This story is that Philip Hammond
:12:58. > :13:02.the Chancellor is irritated because he has been excluded from critical
:13:03. > :13:05.meetings of which the Brexit negotiating strategy has been
:13:06. > :13:11.discussed and he may resign if his views aren't taken into account in
:13:12. > :13:15.future. It feels like a leak from the new cross-party Rebel Alliance,
:13:16. > :13:21.trying to strengthen their hand. You must listen to us and have a
:13:22. > :13:26.parliamentary vote otherwise you risk prominent resignations. We know
:13:27. > :13:31.that Theresa May's Brexit subcommittee of the Cabinet is
:13:32. > :13:36.evenly divided between those wanting to remain an Brexiteer is. She seems
:13:37. > :13:41.to want to hold the line between the groups. Ultimately it has to be
:13:42. > :13:45.conducted taking on board those concerns. Philip Hammond has met
:13:46. > :13:49.with a lot of business and knows from his time in the Foreign Office
:13:50. > :13:53.about the practicalities and it is right he should be there and those
:13:54. > :13:59.concerns are taken into account. Let's move on to the other big
:14:00. > :14:03.political story, the Home Affairs Select Committee has attacked the
:14:04. > :14:08.Labour Party and have many other people for allowing anti-Semitism to
:14:09. > :14:18.grow in this country. You have the story. It is a story in the Observer
:14:19. > :14:22.which is usually reasonably friendly to labour and reports investigation
:14:23. > :14:29.by the committee into anti-Semitism in the Labour Party and it is a
:14:30. > :14:33.damning report which refers to various anti-Semitic incidents that
:14:34. > :14:37.have been insufficiently investigated in the Labour Party and
:14:38. > :14:40.criticises Shami Chakrabarti for her whitewash and calls into question
:14:41. > :14:45.again what the timeline was of her being offered a peerage and whether
:14:46. > :14:49.it was an incentive. She has been on the programme and said absolutely
:14:50. > :14:55.she was not offered the peerage before doing the enquiry. Nobody
:14:56. > :15:01.suggests that Jeremy Corbyn's anti-Semitic himself but this is to
:15:02. > :15:03.do with the Israeli and Palestinian issue, the people who are
:15:04. > :15:12.passionately pro-Palestinian going over the line? The Corbyn defence
:15:13. > :15:15.has always been there is a difference between being
:15:16. > :15:23.anti-Zionist and anti-Semitic but the problem is that the illusion
:15:24. > :15:28.that takes place is that anything that is critical against Israel,
:15:29. > :15:31.even if it is often anti-Semitic is fine because there is a difference
:15:32. > :15:36.between being anti-Zionist and anti-Semitic. We will talk to Tim
:15:37. > :15:41.Laut, the acting chair of the committee after this, I hope.
:15:42. > :15:48.We must turn to the other part of the political agenda, which is
:15:49. > :15:53.Scotland. Nicola Sturgeon is bringing forward legislation for a
:15:54. > :16:01.second referendum on independence if she doesn't get what she wants on
:16:02. > :16:09.our kind of Brexit. This is the Scottish Herald, saying she wants to
:16:10. > :16:16.trigger another referendum. I feel she got the result she wanted from
:16:17. > :16:19.the referendum and it allows her to call for this independence
:16:20. > :16:23.referendum. She didn't necessarily agree with the kind of campaign we
:16:24. > :16:31.ran, she thought it was a bit too much like project fear, but what is
:16:32. > :16:38.interesting... She said to me on air, she said don't try to rerun
:16:39. > :16:44.project fear because it doesn't work and you will get the wrong answer.
:16:45. > :16:48.It is a terribly sad thing that did happen, but what's interesting here
:16:49. > :16:53.is that opinion hasn't changed so there isn't actually in Scotland
:16:54. > :16:56.more support for independence. Anecdotally some friends of mine
:16:57. > :17:00.have said it does make me think differently because the EU
:17:01. > :17:03.membership was a big deal in the first referendum, so there will be
:17:04. > :17:09.people who voted to remain part of the UK as a result of keeping in the
:17:10. > :17:17.EU. The opinion polls suggest there is less support for independence now
:17:18. > :17:19.than there was in 2014. I don't find this credible because if there was
:17:20. > :17:24.another Scottish referendum they would lose by a bigger margin, but I
:17:25. > :17:29.don't buy this idea that if Scotland became independent of the UK it
:17:30. > :17:37.could somehow retain its membership of the EU. Spain would kick up the
:17:38. > :17:42.most almighty fuss because it would give incentives for the Basque
:17:43. > :17:48.separatist. Who would pay their massive welfare bills? As I came
:17:49. > :17:54.into the building, the only thing people were asking is, have you got
:17:55. > :18:03.Donald Trump on the programme? As if! But it's what everyone wants to
:18:04. > :18:07.talk about. Yes, there is peace in the Sunday Telegraph summarising the
:18:08. > :18:09.accusations of assault made by women since Donald Trump categorically
:18:10. > :18:14.denied he had assaulted anyone in the debate last week. What I find
:18:15. > :18:19.one of the extraordinary aspects of this story is that Donald Trump is
:18:20. > :18:22.so cross with the New York Times for running an account of these women
:18:23. > :18:28.that he has threatened the New York Times with a libel suit. He has
:18:29. > :18:37.described every Mexican immigrant of a rapist. It sounds like he is going
:18:38. > :18:42.slightly doolally, suggesting Hillary Clinton was on performance
:18:43. > :18:48.enhancing drugs in the last debate, and his people saying the election
:18:49. > :18:54.will now be fixed. There is an air of desperation and nastiness
:18:55. > :18:58.spreading through this. Absolutely, he's grasping, clutching at straws,
:18:59. > :19:03.trying to find anything outrageous to get airtime but I think the part
:19:04. > :19:07.you referred to, that the outcome is being set up to be seen as
:19:08. > :19:13.illegitimate if Hillary wins, it just sets up so much anger and so
:19:14. > :19:20.much outcry afterwards that they will end up with a hugely divided
:19:21. > :19:23.society. I did use you two don't agree on absolutely everything but
:19:24. > :19:24.thank you for an excellent paper review.
:19:25. > :19:27.We've been hearing about that report on anti-Semitism, the acting chair
:19:28. > :19:30.of the Home Affairs Committee, Tim Loughton, joins me now.
:19:31. > :19:37.Let's explain to people who haven't been watching too closely exactly
:19:38. > :19:41.what your committee report says, firstly about the Labour Party. It
:19:42. > :19:46.is reporting to anti-Semitism in this country which we have been
:19:47. > :19:51.looking into since June, and we published it today. There's some
:19:52. > :19:54.hard-hitting points. Firstly this is about anti-Semitism in the country
:19:55. > :20:00.generally and there has been an increase of 11% in the last year
:20:01. > :20:03.alone of anti-Semitic crimes, but it's also about how it is affecting
:20:04. > :20:09.political parties and we have made particular criticism of the way
:20:10. > :20:13.anti-Semitism instance in the Labour Party haven't been handled well by
:20:14. > :20:20.Jeremy Corbyn. What is at the core of your criticism? This is about
:20:21. > :20:24.anti-Semitism within all the parties but you cannot deny the spate of
:20:25. > :20:28.anti-Semitic incidents and allegations made against the Labour
:20:29. > :20:32.Party members and many elected members has raised the whole profile
:20:33. > :20:39.of this issue, and it was because of that that Jeremy Corbyn commissioned
:20:40. > :20:44.the so-called independent Shami Chakrabarti report, and he still
:20:45. > :20:49.seems to be in denial about the nature of the problem. You come
:20:50. > :20:55.close to accusing Shami Chakrabarti of being corrupt in this report. We
:20:56. > :20:59.don't say corrupt but we are awaiting a reply about the timings
:21:00. > :21:03.of when she was offered a peerage which she now has. If this is
:21:04. > :21:07.supposed to be an independent report, written by someone sitting
:21:08. > :21:11.round the Shadow Cabinet table with Jeremy Corbyn, a report that
:21:12. > :21:14.describes these incidents as unhappy incidents, I'm afraid a lot of
:21:15. > :21:20.people have said it isn't worth the paper it is written on. Shami
:21:21. > :21:24.Chakrabarti, sitting in the chair, I asked her and she said she had not
:21:25. > :21:31.been offered a peerage before she wrote the report and therefore she
:21:32. > :21:36.denied there is only what she called transactional funny business going
:21:37. > :21:42.on. I don't think Jeremy Corbyn has got an anti-Semitic bone in his
:21:43. > :21:48.body, but is your suggestion he has allowed a culture to emerge inside
:21:49. > :21:54.the Labour Party which allows out right Jew haters too much free rein?
:21:55. > :21:59.We paid tribute to Jeremy Corbyn's proud record of fighting racism over
:22:00. > :22:04.many years, that is not in doubt. What we do question is his
:22:05. > :22:08.leadership in doing something serious about this emerging problem
:22:09. > :22:13.of anti-Semitism. Up to 50 members of the Labour Party, collected in
:22:14. > :22:18.many cases, have been suspended over the last year on his watch. Some
:22:19. > :22:22.have been readmitted without explanation, some have been
:22:23. > :22:26.suspended again. I'm afraid there is a culture, and it came from many
:22:27. > :22:29.witnesses, many from within the Labour Party, that this
:22:30. > :22:33.mismanagement has created an air of it being safe for these anti-Semites
:22:34. > :22:38.within the Labour Party to operate. That is not in the interest of all
:22:39. > :22:42.political parties and that's why every member of the select committee
:22:43. > :22:48.across all parties should support this report unanimously without a
:22:49. > :22:53.vote and that's why it needs to be taken seriously. Thank you very much
:22:54. > :22:56.for joining us. We haven't got a lot of time, it is a very busy morning.
:22:57. > :22:58.Turning from politics, has it ever felt more hot and fetid?
:22:59. > :23:01.It's a bit of a relief to turn to the cool, bright
:23:02. > :23:04.So far, I'm really enjoying this autumn.
:23:05. > :23:12.A bit of something for everyone over the next few days. This morning
:23:13. > :23:17.certainly got off to a mixed start, some had a lovely start with a
:23:18. > :23:21.beautiful sunrise, that was captured in North Yorkshire, but for many it
:23:22. > :23:26.was quite the opposite. Leaden skies and quite a bit of rain. We have a
:23:27. > :23:35.band of rain in the forecast is moving its way steadily northwards.
:23:36. > :23:38.Once it has moved through, things will brighten up nicely. You can see
:23:39. > :23:41.we have this band of rain across much of England, pushing northwards.
:23:42. > :23:44.After a decent start in Scotland it goes downhill. Behind it, a few
:23:45. > :23:51.showers on the breeze but some good spells of sunshine and it will be
:23:52. > :23:55.quite warm. 18 degrees in the south-eastern corner. It stays windy
:23:56. > :23:59.in the north and west with further showers but the central eastern
:24:00. > :24:05.areas the skies will be clear and it stays dry. 11 degrees to start the
:24:06. > :24:09.day on Monday, and it will be a bright and breezy day for central
:24:10. > :24:14.eastern areas. Good spells of sunshine once again and relatively
:24:15. > :24:19.mild. Further north and west, a bit of a breeze, more cloud and showers
:24:20. > :24:25.moving through on the breeze. As I say, quite a mild day you get across
:24:26. > :24:28.the south and east. Many thanks.
:24:29. > :24:30.As we've been hearing, after a week when the Commons has
:24:31. > :24:33.demanded more from Theresa May over her Brexit plans,
:24:34. > :24:35.a cross-party group of MPs are trying to force a vote
:24:36. > :24:37.on the Government's Brexit deal when it comes.
:24:38. > :24:40.At the centre of all of this is a familiar face.
:24:41. > :24:45.The former Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg joins me now.
:24:46. > :24:52.Can we start by establishing exactly what you are trying to achieve. We
:24:53. > :24:57.want to achieve the previous Conservative government did prior to
:24:58. > :25:01.some major European talks. When John Major had to go to the rest of
:25:02. > :25:05.Europe and negotiate the Maastricht Treaty, he first put in effect
:25:06. > :25:08.something similar to a white Paper to the House of Commons and said
:25:09. > :25:14.these are my objectives, this is the way I want to approach these talks,
:25:15. > :25:18.will you give me your backing. Incidentally it is the exact same
:25:19. > :25:23.approach Theresa May took under the coalition government when she
:25:24. > :25:26.negotiated a new deal on police and judicial co-operation across the
:25:27. > :25:29.European Union. It is a good president because it gives the
:25:30. > :25:34.Government much greater authority with the backing of its parliament.
:25:35. > :25:38.In those cases there hadn't been a referendum with the whole country
:25:39. > :25:43.first. If she comes to the House of Commons and says this is the kind of
:25:44. > :25:46.Brexit deal I want and that is voted down, that means the House of
:25:47. > :25:50.Commons would vote down the way she wants to negotiate, make her
:25:51. > :25:55.position almost impossible, wouldn't it? She would have to go back and
:25:56. > :26:00.improve her negotiating stance. Personally I think Theresa May has
:26:01. > :26:04.nothing to fear. Those who campaigned to remain in the European
:26:05. > :26:09.Union of course accept the mandate, but what the Government doesn't
:26:10. > :26:14.have, because of course the Brexiteers withheld from the British
:26:15. > :26:20.people what they meant by Brexit, which means they don't have a
:26:21. > :26:26.mandate how to take us out of the European Union. It is important the
:26:27. > :26:28.Government subjects its ideas to the scrutiny of parliament before they
:26:29. > :26:35.go to the negotiations elsewhere in Europe. If this vote happens and the
:26:36. > :26:40.Government loses, then they cannot trigger Article 50 so this could
:26:41. > :26:44.delay that. Yes, and that would be a good thing anyway because Theresa
:26:45. > :26:48.May has already made a fundamental tactical error by saying, frankly
:26:49. > :26:56.just to throw red meat to her backbenchers, but she will trickle
:26:57. > :27:03.Article 50 in March next year -- trigger. Nothing is going to
:27:04. > :27:11.meaningfully happen until the end of next year after the German election.
:27:12. > :27:16.This is an attempt to ensure that as the Government pursues its mandate
:27:17. > :27:21.of pulling us out of the European Union, they do so in a workable,
:27:22. > :27:26.legal way, and in a way that doesn't throw the single market baby out
:27:27. > :27:32.with the EU bath water. Do you have the numbers? I strongly suspect that
:27:33. > :27:37.if the Government comes with a coherent plan for Brexit, they will
:27:38. > :27:42.win a majority across the sides of the House of Commons. So you don't
:27:43. > :27:46.have a majority of Conservative Europhiles with the opposition which
:27:47. > :27:51.could defeat the Government on a substantive issue in the House of
:27:52. > :27:57.Commons? I am not a whit, I have not been totting up numbers, but what
:27:58. > :28:01.I'm keen to do, along with MPs from other parties including
:28:02. > :28:06.Conservatives, is to say, we live in a representative democracy where the
:28:07. > :28:09.Government has the to take us out of the European Union but it doesn't
:28:10. > :28:17.have a mandate to do that without any scrutiny or accountability. It
:28:18. > :28:24.is absurd to say that after a party winds an election it can do whatever
:28:25. > :28:30.it likes. I put it to you that it is pretty clear what we were voting for
:28:31. > :28:34.the of the referendum. I put it to Michael Gove, does this mean coming
:28:35. > :28:40.out of the single market? He said it absolutely does. He was clear that
:28:41. > :28:43.taking back control over immigration meant things that made our
:28:44. > :28:48.membership of the single market incompatible, and therefore this
:28:49. > :28:52.fantasy of the soft Brexit is simply a fantasy. I put it to you that you
:28:53. > :28:56.are trying to subvert the will of the British people. They knew what
:28:57. > :29:09.they were voting for and they were clear. They were not clear.
:29:10. > :29:12.Apparently people like Michael Gove claimed immigration had nothing to
:29:13. > :29:24.do with it. What is coming back to haunt the Brexiteers... People like
:29:25. > :29:33.me are called Bremoaners but I think they are in a state of denial. The
:29:34. > :29:38.Remain campaign in my view was listless, it didn't claim we were
:29:39. > :29:44.going to get ?350 million in the NHS every week, it claimed there was a
:29:45. > :29:52.utopia awaiting us, but the point is this, if they had dispelled out with
:29:53. > :29:55.one voice, in other words if the cast of opportunist and chancers had
:29:56. > :29:59.agreed on what Brexit was, then they would have a mandate to implement
:30:00. > :30:04.the plan, but they deliberately withheld that from the British
:30:05. > :30:08.people. Why? Because they didn't have a plan they could agree on and
:30:09. > :30:12.don't still have a plan they appear to agree on about what Brexit means
:30:13. > :30:16.in practice. It sounds to me if you want it to mean a so-called soft
:30:17. > :30:21.Brexit, staying inside the single market, which is not compatible with
:30:22. > :30:25.the promises given during the campaign and therefore you are
:30:26. > :30:28.trying to subvert what happened in the referendum because you cannot
:30:29. > :30:32.take back control of immigration and end the free movement of people and
:30:33. > :30:36.stay inside the single market. Donald Tusk, Michael Gove may not
:30:37. > :30:39.agree on much but they both agree on that.
:30:40. > :30:46.they are both wrong, there are countries such as Norway who have
:30:47. > :30:50.greater powers of control and yet they have full participation in the
:30:51. > :30:55.single market. My view has always been if this government was smart,
:30:56. > :31:01.tough and smart with diplomatic fancy footwork, it could square the
:31:02. > :31:03.circle on changing the rules of freedom of movement but retaining
:31:04. > :31:09.full membership of the single market. What it cannot do, which is
:31:10. > :31:13.what the Conservatives appear to say, and it is there a contradiction
:31:14. > :31:18.that is skewering now, you cannot say I want unfettered access to a
:31:19. > :31:24.single market of rules but I do not want to abide by those rules. That
:31:25. > :31:28.is impossible but it was not a problem created by the people who
:31:29. > :31:33.voted for Brexit, it is created by the contradictions in the
:31:34. > :31:38.Conservative Party. What you said to the Leave voters who look at you and
:31:39. > :31:41.say it is a classic example of an establishment liberal trying to go
:31:42. > :31:48.behind and fix the result afterwards, this is the betrayal we
:31:49. > :31:52.were frightened of? If I was Leave voter, I would feel betrayed I voted
:31:53. > :31:58.in the belief that the Brexiteer is me what they were doing. I put my
:31:59. > :32:12.faith in Michael Gove Nigel Farage and I would be increasingly angry as
:32:13. > :32:15.my electricity and gas prices went up and I could not take my children
:32:16. > :32:17.on holiday to Spain because it was more expensive. I would be angry
:32:18. > :32:21.that these people will not come clean by what they mean by Brexit.
:32:22. > :32:24.Priti Patel was one of the dominant voices in the victorious Leave
:32:25. > :32:26.campaign, and although a sceptic about the aid department, DFID,
:32:27. > :32:30.She's also on Theresa May's key Brexit cabinet committee -
:32:31. > :32:32.an influential voice as the Prime Minister charts
:32:33. > :32:38.Britain's path out of the European Union.
:32:39. > :32:44.We heard from Nick Clegg saying they should be a vote in the Commons on
:32:45. > :32:49.the terms of Brexit and making the point the parliament is supposed to
:32:50. > :32:53.be sovereign. Good morning. I think the Prime Minister could not have
:32:54. > :32:56.been clearer when it comes to Parliament and discussions and
:32:57. > :33:01.debates forthcoming in the Commons. She is not going to allow a vote. We
:33:02. > :33:07.have seen debates and questions in the Commons nearly every day. There
:33:08. > :33:11.will be a full discussion when we have the great repeal bill which of
:33:12. > :33:16.course will be about repealing the European communities act and that
:33:17. > :33:19.will go through the Parliamentary process and gives plenty of
:33:20. > :33:24.parliamentarians enough time and the right time to discuss the repeal.
:33:25. > :33:29.People like Nick Clegg would say the great repeal bill comes too late and
:33:30. > :33:33.before that, before Article 50 is triggered, we need a discussion in
:33:34. > :33:38.the Commons about what kind of relationship we want with the EU
:33:39. > :33:42.after we leave it. We are having that debate right now, we have had
:33:43. > :33:48.statements and debates in the Commons twice this week alone. That
:33:49. > :33:55.debate is happening. The point about the Bill is it is a milestone, the
:33:56. > :34:00.first significant milestone in terms of repealing legislation. Having the
:34:01. > :34:04.Parliamentary conventions and debates and also focusing on aspects
:34:05. > :34:09.of EU law that do not work for Britain. We have to do that so we
:34:10. > :34:21.can get the right deal that works in our national interests. It is an
:34:22. > :34:24.important bill but comes later in the process. What is your message to
:34:25. > :34:26.those people who say we ought to have a vote on the floor of the
:34:27. > :34:29.Commons about our new relationship with the EU, before it is too late?
:34:30. > :34:33.I would say respectfully the job of the government is to deliver the
:34:34. > :34:36.result of the referendum. The Prime Minister has said Brexit means
:34:37. > :34:40.Brexit. We have seen the largest vote in the country through the
:34:41. > :34:46.referendum, the British people have spoken. We will deliver for them. It
:34:47. > :34:51.is not using Parliament as a vehicle to subvert the democratic will of
:34:52. > :34:57.the public. There will be several debates I suspect around the great
:34:58. > :35:01.repeal bill. We have new committees, a new Secretary of State in David
:35:02. > :35:06.Davis and his department. They are in and out of the Commons on a near
:35:07. > :35:11.daily basis and the debates are taking place. We as government are
:35:12. > :35:15.focused on delivering Brexit and delivering the important vote the
:35:16. > :35:20.British public voted on. You talked about using Parliament, in fact
:35:21. > :35:24.Parliament is the sovereign body. Your colleague Stephen Phillips said
:35:25. > :35:31.today, and he voted for Brexit, I think, I and many others did not
:35:32. > :35:35.exercise our vote on the referendum to restore sovereignty of Parliament
:35:36. > :35:38.only to see what we regarded as the tyranny of the EU replaced by that
:35:39. > :35:42.of a government that apparently wishes to ignore the views of the
:35:43. > :35:46.house on the most important issue facing the nation. There is no
:35:47. > :35:52.ignoring the views of my colleagues in Parliament. If you do not have a
:35:53. > :35:57.vote it is just talk. There will be votes on the great repeal bill.
:35:58. > :36:01.There are discussions taking place every day in the Commons. My
:36:02. > :36:06.colleague David Davis is assiduous at answering questions in the
:36:07. > :36:11.Commons, he has done that on a near daily basis and rightly so. He is
:36:12. > :36:17.being held to account by the Commons and Parliament. The other point I
:36:18. > :36:21.would like to make, a broader point about the negotiations, we are not
:36:22. > :36:25.going to come on every day and give a running commentary. If I played
:36:26. > :36:33.poker with you, I would not show you my cards before we start playing the
:36:34. > :36:37.game. One more on this, the Commons will have a series of votes, but
:36:38. > :36:42.these MPs are determined to have an early vote and in the end as a
:36:43. > :36:44.cabinet minister you cannot stop that will stop what happens to the
:36:45. > :36:52.government if there is a vote on Article 50 and the government loses?
:36:53. > :36:57.We look at everything that happens in Parliament and the debates taking
:36:58. > :37:03.place now and the debates people are alluding to, we will work with all
:37:04. > :37:07.colleagues. This is not about them or us mentality, we are listening to
:37:08. > :37:12.colleagues respectfully as we have the debate this week, there has been
:37:13. > :37:15.one debate, a statement in the Commons, Select Committee
:37:16. > :37:19.discussions. We will work with all colleagues and the point is we are
:37:20. > :37:26.clear, we have to deliver for the British public and we will do that
:37:27. > :37:30.in the right way. We have to government departments, committees,
:37:31. > :37:34.colleagues working together, and we will continue that. Can we clear one
:37:35. > :37:41.thing up, it is not possible for us to stay inside a tariff free single
:37:42. > :37:46.market? I am not going to be specific about this. This is a
:37:47. > :37:51.long-standing negotiation and we are negotiating how we are going to
:37:52. > :37:55.reform our relationship with EU. The Prime Minister is leading that. You
:37:56. > :38:00.said during the campaign we would be outside the single market as did
:38:01. > :38:05.Michael Gove. Nobody can see any way we can stay inside a single market
:38:06. > :38:09.if we take back control over immigration, that is impossible.
:38:10. > :38:14.Everybody in Europe says it's impossible, why can the government
:38:15. > :38:19.not acknowledge it? We look at it from a different. We are looking at
:38:20. > :38:24.new opportunities leaving will bring which means new trading
:38:25. > :38:27.opportunities and opportunities in terms of taking back control of
:38:28. > :38:32.immigration in the way the British public are asked through the vote in
:38:33. > :38:36.June. We have to be open-minded. We are looking at all options and
:38:37. > :38:41.rightly so, it is the job at the government to look at options as we
:38:42. > :38:46.enter the negotiation. The Prime Minister is heading to India for a
:38:47. > :38:50.trade visit. It is Bangladesh, not India, I know, but you said it would
:38:51. > :38:56.be good news for curry houses, we would get more curry chefs if we
:38:57. > :39:02.left the EU. If we get down to tens of thousands and non-EU immigration
:39:03. > :39:07.is now 190,000, you would have to have severe measures to cut back
:39:08. > :39:13.non-EU immigration, including from India. I spoke about this, the
:39:14. > :39:17.objective was to take back control of our immigration controls, that is
:39:18. > :39:23.what the British public want. We want to attract the brightest and
:39:24. > :39:27.best. There are sensitivities and people have concerns about EU
:39:28. > :39:31.immigration and the fact because of free movement we have not been in
:39:32. > :39:35.control of our policies. The point about immigration outside of the EU,
:39:36. > :39:44.we will look at all options to support the brightest and the best,
:39:45. > :39:47.we are an open economy and want to ensure those who have the talent to
:39:48. > :39:50.grow our economy continues. How will you cut the numbers? The point about
:39:51. > :39:54.the Prime Minister's visit is to build on the links with new
:39:55. > :40:00.countries and trading opportunities. In terms of reducing numbers, the
:40:01. > :40:03.Home Secretary and Cabinet will develop an immigration policy that
:40:04. > :40:06.works for Britain and is not subject to what we have seen with free
:40:07. > :40:12.movement and the fact we have not been able to control immigration
:40:13. > :40:15.because of membership of the EU. You were vociferous in your criticism of
:40:16. > :40:21.the department you now lead before you lead it, you were critical about
:40:22. > :40:25.our attitude to overseas aid. You are announcing aid for Haiti today.
:40:26. > :40:31.What is that about? And are you going native already? Aid plays a
:40:32. > :40:37.crucial role in terms of Britain's place in the world I have been
:40:38. > :40:41.unequivocal terms of our commitment to the percentage of our aid budget.
:40:42. > :40:46.You will not underspend that? Absolutely not. When you look at the
:40:47. > :40:52.state of the world, Haiti is a good example. We are spending over 7
:40:53. > :40:56.billion in Haiti, Haiti is a catastrophe, a human disaster. I
:40:57. > :41:01.announced an additional ?3 million to support Haiti. There is a cholera
:41:02. > :41:08.epidemic right now. We are sending in food, shelter kits, water
:41:09. > :41:14.purification units. When it comes to aid we need to be more coordinated.
:41:15. > :41:19.We need to spend aid better, following the money and people and
:41:20. > :41:23.outcomes. I will make no apologies when it comes to targeting money so
:41:24. > :41:27.it serves national interests but also serves the poorest in the
:41:28. > :41:32.world. We want better outcomes for the poorest in the world who do not
:41:33. > :41:37.have the same opportunities that we do and also through developing new
:41:38. > :41:43.trading relationships. These will be many countries. We will see a
:41:44. > :41:48.different kind of DFID policy under Priti Patel? I will focus on
:41:49. > :41:53.prosperity, jobs, economic development, the things that take
:41:54. > :41:54.people out of poverty but also ensure we have trading relationships
:41:55. > :41:56.for the future as well. Nicola Sturgeon, the SNP
:41:57. > :41:58.leader and First Minister, In her recent speech to the SNP,
:41:59. > :42:01.she told Scotland to prepare for a second independence referendum
:42:02. > :42:16.so it could stay inside the EU Good morning. Good morning. You have
:42:17. > :42:21.a double strategy. You want to try to get the best for Scotland inside
:42:22. > :42:24.the UK and if you fail on that you want a second independence
:42:25. > :42:29.referendum. Can I ask about the first part of the strategy and
:42:30. > :42:33.exactly how you can persuade London to allow Scotland somehow to stay
:42:34. > :42:38.inside the single market when the rest of the UK leads? We will try to
:42:39. > :42:43.work with others across the political divide to a fertile Brexit
:42:44. > :42:47.not just for Scotland but for the UK. I don't believe there is a
:42:48. > :42:51.mandate to take the UK out of the single market. I don't believe there
:42:52. > :42:58.is a majority in parliament. Secondly, as I lead out to a party
:42:59. > :43:03.conference, we will publish proposals that would allow Scotland
:43:04. > :43:07.to stay in the single market to preserve aspects of our relationship
:43:08. > :43:12.with the EU even if the rest of the UK is intending to leave. I don't
:43:13. > :43:16.suggest it would be straightforward or without challenge, but in the
:43:17. > :43:20.unprecedented circumstances, I think there is an obligation to try to
:43:21. > :43:24.work out solutions that will allow the vote in Scotland to be respected
:43:25. > :43:29.just as I understand Theresa May wants the vote in other parts of the
:43:30. > :43:36.UK to be respected. Let's take the first part. Nick Clegg said he and
:43:37. > :43:39.others are putting down a motion to oblige Theresa May to come to the
:43:40. > :43:43.Commons and layout in detail her plans for Brexit and that Article 50
:43:44. > :43:47.should not be triggered until the Commons has voted on that. Are you
:43:48. > :43:52.going to support that? In principle. We have not seen the terms of the
:43:53. > :43:56.motion but I cannot see why we would not support that, because we agree
:43:57. > :44:01.with the position there should be a vote in the Commons on the broad
:44:02. > :44:06.negotiating strategy. I think we saw last week there is a lot of support
:44:07. > :44:15.across the Commons for that proposition. The SNP, labour,
:44:16. > :44:18.liberals and moderate Tories. I do not believe there is a majority in
:44:19. > :44:21.the Commons for hard Brexit and the Commons should make sure there is
:44:22. > :44:25.input into the position as it develops. Can I challenge you on
:44:26. > :44:30.hard and soft Brexit. It was clear in the referendum voting to leave
:44:31. > :44:34.meant voting to quote, take back control over immigration and end
:44:35. > :44:39.free movement of people. If you do that you cannot be part of the
:44:40. > :44:45.single market and I suggest people were voting for hard Brexit. Much of
:44:46. > :44:54.what the Leave campaign put forward was they, promising extra money for
:44:55. > :44:58.the NHS which will not materialise. I remember hearing prominent Leave
:44:59. > :45:01.campaigners saying leaving the EU does not mean leaving the single
:45:02. > :45:06.market and many of those campaigners talked about the single market being
:45:07. > :45:11.the only aspect of the EU they thought was worth anything. The Tory
:45:12. > :45:17.manifesto that Theresa May, every Tory MP was elected on in 2015, made
:45:18. > :45:20.it clear they thought the UK should stay in the single market. I don't
:45:21. > :45:35.believe there is a mandate to take the UK out of the single market and
:45:36. > :45:40.if MPs vote to do what they think is right I do not think there is a
:45:41. > :45:43.majority in the Commons and I don't think those who want to see the UK
:45:44. > :45:51.as a whole stay in the single market should give up on that argument.
:45:52. > :45:58.We are going to put forward proposals that we would hope the UK
:45:59. > :46:03.Government would be prepared to listen to that would allow Scotland
:46:04. > :46:08.to preserve its place in the single market, preserve aspects... How all
:46:09. > :46:16.that possibly work? We will look at different ways in which that could
:46:17. > :46:19.work. At that point the UK is in unchartered territory, this is an
:46:20. > :46:24.unprecedented situation. There is a need to be creative to square the
:46:25. > :46:27.circle because Scotland voted overwhelmingly to stay in the
:46:28. > :46:31.European Union and if our voice is to count for something, there must
:46:32. > :46:42.be a willingness to look at different options. We certainly
:46:43. > :46:45.require new powers. Can I ask how the talks have been going on in
:46:46. > :46:50.Brussels to allow Scotland to stay inside the EU when the rest of
:46:51. > :46:56.Britain leaves? Talks are focusing on the UK Government. I have been
:46:57. > :47:01.talking to people across the European Union, we are not at the
:47:02. > :47:15.stage yet where we are asking people across the European Union to agree
:47:16. > :47:18.specific proposition, because we first require the UK Government to
:47:19. > :47:20.look at a specific proposition. Our discussions with the UK Government.
:47:21. > :47:23.I will soon be meeting with the Prime Minister and other devolved
:47:24. > :47:26.administrations to discuss how the devolved administrations, not just
:47:27. > :47:33.Scotland but also Wales and Ireland, will be involved in this process.
:47:34. > :47:41.She is rather pricing you out at the moment. It is frustrating, to be
:47:42. > :47:44.diplomatic about it. Theresa May came to Edinburgh a couple of days
:47:45. > :47:49.after she became Prime Minister and gave a commitment to me that she
:47:50. > :47:53.would listen to options put forward. I think it is fair to say that
:47:54. > :47:59.promise has not yet fully been honoured and I hope we will see it
:48:00. > :48:02.honoured in the days to come. The Spanish Prime Minister has said, I
:48:03. > :48:07.wish to be very clear, Scotland does not have the competence to negotiate
:48:08. > :48:11.with the European Union. Spain opposes any negotiation by anyone
:48:12. > :48:15.other than the Government of the UK. I'm extremely against it, the
:48:16. > :48:21.treaties are against it, and everyone is against it. If the UK
:48:22. > :48:27.leaves, Scotland leaves. I don't think anyone will be surprised at
:48:28. > :48:39.that quote. That is the position of Spain, given the circumstances
:48:40. > :48:43.around Catalonia it is well-known. At the moment we have to, if we are
:48:44. > :48:46.looking at options for Scotland within the UK, in the first instance
:48:47. > :48:50.we have to seek to have that discussion in the context of the UK
:48:51. > :48:54.developing its Article 50 negotiation which is why I'm putting
:48:55. > :49:01.so much emphasis on that strand of discussion at this stage. Is it also
:49:02. > :49:09.because it is so difficult for you to win an independence referendum in
:49:10. > :49:16.the future if Scotland has to get back into the EU you would have to
:49:17. > :49:21.have the euro and big spending cuts. The deficit is now 9% and they say
:49:22. > :49:27.it has got to be 3%, it is a big gap to close, and you might even have to
:49:28. > :49:31.have a hard border with England. There is a lot of supposition there,
:49:32. > :49:37.which is fair enough but what I'm trying to do is explore options
:49:38. > :49:40.whereby Scotland doesn't have to leave the European Union or the
:49:41. > :49:49.single market because we voted to stay in. There is a fundamental
:49:50. > :49:52.principle here about, does Scotland's voice matter? Does how we
:49:53. > :49:59.vote count for anything? That is what will be put to the test in the
:50:00. > :50:04.next weeks and months. Theresa May perfectly legitimately says she
:50:05. > :50:07.values the UK, she wants to keep the UK together. In the independence
:50:08. > :50:11.referendum Scotland was repeatedly told it was an equal partner in the
:50:12. > :50:16.UK, and it is now time to prove these things and demonstrate a
:50:17. > :50:19.Scotland that our voice does count within the UK. Because of that's not
:50:20. > :50:24.the case, I think Scotland would have the right to decide whether to
:50:25. > :50:29.go down a different path. Your education spokesman has asked
:50:30. > :50:38.whether the SNP might vote down English Grammar schools legislation,
:50:39. > :50:45.which seems very cheeky. What she actually said is if that legislation
:50:46. > :50:48.impacts on Scotland, you are very familiar, Andrew, with the Barnett
:50:49. > :50:55.formula, we have talked about it a lot in the past, it always comes
:50:56. > :51:00.back to the Barnett formula! Whereby decisions made on English education,
:51:01. > :51:03.if that affects spending, it can affect spending in Scotland through
:51:04. > :51:07.the Barnett formula so we will assess any legislation that perhaps
:51:08. > :51:10.on the face of it looks as if it only applies to England to make sure
:51:11. > :51:16.it doesn't have an impact in Scotland. We would vote if it had an
:51:17. > :51:19.impact in Scotland. But where legislation is actually and the only
:51:20. > :51:25.English only, of course we wouldn't vote on that and it would be wrong
:51:26. > :51:30.to do so. To sum up your message with brutal clarity, it is if you
:51:31. > :51:35.don't listen to Scotland, Theresa May, we will help frustrate your
:51:36. > :51:39.plans for Brexit at Westminster? That is certainly brutal and if I
:51:40. > :51:43.can perhaps be more diplomatic, I don't think it is right for the UK
:51:44. > :51:47.as a whole to be taken out of the single market and I don't think
:51:48. > :51:51.there is a mandate for that. It's not about frustrating that to be
:51:52. > :51:58.difficult, it is about standing up for what is right. Absolutely yes, I
:51:59. > :52:01.will stand up for Scotland's voice to be heard. I don't think it is
:52:02. > :52:04.right for Scotland to be dragged out of the single market with ruinous
:52:05. > :52:15.implications for our economy when we didn't vote that. If that faces us,
:52:16. > :52:19.Scotland would have the right to follow a different and in my view
:52:20. > :52:23.better path. Thank you for talking to us.
:52:24. > :52:25.David Bowie earlier this year shocked his millions
:52:26. > :52:28.One of his final achievements is the critically acclaimed stage
:52:29. > :52:30.musical "Lazarus", co-written with Enda Walsh,
:52:31. > :52:34.from Bowie's iconic catalogue as well as new music and has just
:52:35. > :52:38.Lazarus opens soon at a specially built space at King's Cross
:52:39. > :52:41.in London after a rapturous run in New York, a run which Bowie
:52:42. > :52:45.It stars Michael C Hall, who got to know
:52:46. > :52:47.David Bowie personally towards the end of the star's life,
:52:48. > :52:59.Many people will look at you and save Dexter, serial killer, but you
:53:00. > :53:04.have got Bowie's voice extraordinarily accurately. Thank
:53:05. > :53:10.you, that is not something I'm trying to do, it is just the luck of
:53:11. > :53:20.the timber of my voice. When you are involved in this musical, a sort of
:53:21. > :53:28.sequel of The Man Who Fell From A, what was it like to work with him.
:53:29. > :53:34.None of us knew he was ill. His enthusiasm about the work we were
:53:35. > :53:41.doing, positivity really preceded any awareness of any frailty or
:53:42. > :53:44.illness so my experience of him was someone who was incredibly positive,
:53:45. > :53:49.incredibly gracious, and had a remarkable ability to diffuse the
:53:50. > :53:56.inevitable pins and needles people would be on in his presence. He was
:53:57. > :54:01.a remarkably kind man. And you yourself had a brush with cancer, so
:54:02. > :54:05.this must have been a strange experience doing this. I think the
:54:06. > :54:11.cast were about to rehearse and perform his songs when you heard
:54:12. > :54:15.that he had died? That's right, we awoke to the news on a Monday
:54:16. > :54:19.morning that he had died and it just so happened that was the very day we
:54:20. > :54:26.were scheduled to record the cast album, which we went ahead and did.
:54:27. > :54:31.It was a very sad day, a very eerie day and awe-inspiring day, just
:54:32. > :54:37.taking in the accomplishment he had managed to turn his final chapter
:54:38. > :54:42.into art. We were glad we were able to get together and celebrate his
:54:43. > :54:48.life by recording the album. And the album includes three songs we didn't
:54:49. > :54:54.know, he had recorded and written himself. Yes, on Lazarus there are
:54:55. > :54:58.three songs that are part of the show and those versions of the songs
:54:59. > :55:03.will be on the album. Fantastic, and we will hear you singing Lazarus in
:55:04. > :55:07.just a second. Thank you for talking to us. Here is what is coming up
:55:08. > :55:09.after the programme. Coming up on Sunday Morning Live:
:55:10. > :55:12.After pop star Lily Allen stirs up controversy over an apology
:55:13. > :55:14.to an Afghan migrant, we ask should we care
:55:15. > :55:16.what celebrities think A leading businesswoman
:55:17. > :55:19.says maternity breaks can damage careers -
:55:20. > :55:21.are they too long? Katie Melua sings, and we meet
:55:22. > :55:23.the campaigning Sister Rita, Join me at the same time next week
:55:24. > :55:32.when my guests will include Kenneth Branagh, who'll be be
:55:33. > :55:35.telling me how he's taking his current West End
:55:36. > :55:36.play, The Entertainer, For now, as promised,
:55:37. > :55:40.we leave you with something very special - Michael C Hall and band
:55:41. > :55:46.with David Bowie's Lazarus. # I'm so high it
:55:47. > :56:37.makes my brain whirl And there is a huge part of me
:56:38. > :58:47.that wrote these books but to change, I hope,
:58:48. > :58:55.the culture of not speaking. In 1973, a group
:58:56. > :58:58.of pioneering young women with the aim of changing
:58:59. > :59:04.the way the world saw women. we'll be exploring the ways
:59:05. > :59:10.in which, alone and together, they do or don't
:59:11. > :59:14.make us who and what we are.