:00:00. > :00:08."From this day forward, it's going to be only America first".
:00:09. > :00:16.Not a big surprise, perhaps, but where does it leave Britain
:00:17. > :00:18.after Theresa May made it clear we are leaving the single market?
:00:19. > :00:38.And, therefore, we need a special deal from the Donald.
:00:39. > :00:42.Theresa May is off to Washington shortly and the Prime Minister joins
:00:43. > :00:46.us live later to talk Brexit and Trump.
:00:47. > :00:58.Who better to come up with some answers than Nick Clegg
:00:59. > :01:00.for the Liberal Democrats and the Shadow Chancellor
:01:01. > :01:09.Reviewing the news after an extraordinary
:01:10. > :01:13.week, one of Donald Trump's cheerleaders in London,
:01:14. > :01:21.And the Guardian's Anushka Asthana, they'll get on famously I'm sure.
:01:22. > :01:24.There have been hints that President Trump might cancel
:01:25. > :01:27.endowments to the Arts in the United States.
:01:28. > :01:29.One of America's finest singers will be here to talk about that,
:01:30. > :01:33.and performs a classic from the Great American song book.
:01:34. > :02:00.But first the news with Roger Johnson.
:02:01. > :02:04.Theresa May will become the first foreign leader to meet the new US
:02:05. > :02:07.The announcement was made during Donald Trump's
:02:08. > :02:10.first day in office, which also saw a series of protests
:02:11. > :02:17.In the nation's capital, they've rarely seen a rally quite like this.
:02:18. > :02:20.Not since the Vietnam War have so many people come together
:02:21. > :02:22.in defence of women's rights and minority rights,
:02:23. > :02:24.liberties these people believe could be imperilled
:02:25. > :02:32.The man himself was visiting the headquarters of the CIA whilst
:02:33. > :02:40.Less concerned about secrets, it appeared, than crowd sizes,
:02:41. > :02:42.in particular reports of the attendance at his
:02:43. > :02:55.It looked like a million, a million people.
:02:56. > :02:57.They showed a field where there was practically
:02:58. > :03:02.That theme was echoed in an unscheduled news conference
:03:03. > :03:04.a short while later before confirming that
:03:05. > :03:06.Britain's Theresa May would be the first foreign leader
:03:07. > :03:17.The new White House press spokesman railed against reports that Mr Trump
:03:18. > :03:20.had failed to attract as large a crowd to his inauguration
:03:21. > :03:23.This was the largest audience to witness
:03:24. > :03:27.These attempts to lessen the enthusiasm of the inauguration
:03:28. > :03:36.Size clearly matters greatly to Donald Trump, and regardless
:03:37. > :03:39.of the inauguration crowds, the crowd at yesterday's protest
:03:40. > :03:42.was so large that a march on the White House proved impossible
:03:43. > :03:43.because there were so many people present.
:03:44. > :03:54.The Ministry of Defence has insisted it has full confidence
:03:55. > :03:56.in the Trident nuclear defence system, despite reports that a test
:03:57. > :04:00.According to the Sunday Times, a missile fired from a submarine
:04:01. > :04:03.in the Atlantic Ocean veered off course and in the direction
:04:04. > :04:12.Labour is calling for an inquiry into the allegations.
:04:13. > :04:14.Delays in assessing the needs of patients are causing
:04:15. > :04:16.a bed-blocking crisis in hospitals, according to the watchdog
:04:17. > :04:25.Research seen by BBC 5 Live suggests many social care
:04:26. > :04:27.assessments are failing to happen in the recommended
:04:28. > :04:30.The Department of Health said it's investing an extra ?900 million
:04:31. > :04:35.The former president of The Gambia, Yahya Jammeh, has flown into exile,
:04:36. > :04:40.22 years after taking control of the African state in a coup.
:04:41. > :04:42.He started a political crisis when he refused to accept
:04:43. > :04:46.the outcome of the country's election in December.
:04:47. > :04:49.But he finally agreed to hand over power to the winner, Adama Barrow,
:04:50. > :04:51.after the leaders of neighbouring countries threatened
:04:52. > :04:57.The next news on BBC One is at one o'clock.
:04:58. > :05:13.If Donald Trump is dividing America and Britain he is certainly dividing
:05:14. > :05:28.the papers. Here we have the Mail on Sunday, very anti-Trump. The
:05:29. > :05:35.observer not very pro-Trump, the darker side of human nature,
:05:36. > :05:39.insidious claims of jealousy, envy, greed and hubris, it says. Then
:05:40. > :05:45.there's the Sunday Telegraph. Trump's new deal for Britain, and by
:05:46. > :05:49.and large very positive coverage. And the Sunday Times, Trump's
:05:50. > :05:53.triumph, and the story about misfiring a nuclear missile and the
:05:54. > :05:58.alleged cover-ups which we were hearing about in the news. An awful
:05:59. > :06:04.lot to talk about. Piers Morgan, where are we going to start? The man
:06:05. > :06:09.of the moment, the man of the global attention right now. I was struck by
:06:10. > :06:16.the Telegraph's front page because whatever any individual in this
:06:17. > :06:21.country thinks about Donald Trump, his very divisive but he's also an
:06:22. > :06:25.Anglophile. His mother was born and raised in Scotland until she was 18,
:06:26. > :06:28.he thinks he is half British and according to the Telegraph he wants
:06:29. > :06:34.to fully embrace the special relationship, hence Theresa May
:06:35. > :06:39.being the first person invited to America. So you know him, can you
:06:40. > :06:42.sort something out for us? On the one hand we are told is the most
:06:43. > :06:46.protectionist president America has had for a long time and yet we rely
:06:47. > :06:54.on him now for a free-trade deal after Brexit, how will that work? He
:06:55. > :06:57.will put America first, he said. All of the Brits moaning about that
:06:58. > :07:00.phrase, we have just put Britain first so it is not completely
:07:01. > :07:04.different to what we are doing and it gives us a unique opportunity to
:07:05. > :07:09.work with the Americans. You have got to play to his ego, he has a
:07:10. > :07:17.stupendous ego, and according to the Telegraph who wants the full Monty
:07:18. > :07:22.when he comes to Britain including playing a round of golf at Balmoral
:07:23. > :07:28.while the Queen watches him play! You have to put aside any personal
:07:29. > :07:32.distaste for him, I accept the fact is now the most powerful man on
:07:33. > :07:38.earth, and in opposition leaving the European Union the Americans are our
:07:39. > :07:52.best and strongest ally again. Let's take advantage of it. And you have a
:07:53. > :07:55.story about Melania? Yes, lots of celebrities or hate Donald Trump,
:07:56. > :08:00.made it clear we will not address the first lady, Bob steps Ralph
:08:01. > :08:05.Lauren and she looked absolutely stunning in the Inauguration Day
:08:06. > :08:10.dress and the other dresses she's worn. Interestingly his stock price
:08:11. > :08:16.in his company has gone through the roof so Ralph Lauren may have the
:08:17. > :08:24.last laugh. There is a little line in the sofa, you are probably
:08:25. > :08:36.slightly less Trumpy part of the sofa. Piers Morgan, going for the
:08:37. > :08:44.fashion, and going for the sexiest story. This story on the Daily Mail
:08:45. > :08:49.suggests could Theresa May when she goes over there actually raise her
:08:50. > :08:52.feelings about his comments on women. Bush is in a terribly
:08:53. > :08:57.difficult position because she needs a lot from Donald Trump and at the
:08:58. > :09:01.same time, as a prominent female leader, she will be expected to
:09:02. > :09:05.raise these questions. As we've seen, she thinks some of the
:09:06. > :09:09.comments, particularly about the idea a powerful man can grow a woman
:09:10. > :09:13.are unacceptable but let's be honest, this will all be about
:09:14. > :09:16.trying to bolster that special relationship. It will be about
:09:17. > :09:21.talking about trade but it comes alongside this coverage in the
:09:22. > :09:26.papers today about some 2 million people marching around the world,
:09:27. > :09:31.not the Washington elite, not the Westminster elite, just people
:09:32. > :09:39.across America and the country. Some interesting signs, keep your laws
:09:40. > :09:45.off my... We won't mention that on television. Piers Morgan has argued
:09:46. > :09:51.it is anti-democratic, it is the epitome of democracy that people are
:09:52. > :09:55.able to speak out. Very positive coverage of that but perhaps less
:09:56. > :10:00.positive coverage by Rod Liddle who really goes for it in the Sunday
:10:01. > :10:06.Times. I want to declare I am a feminist, I believe completely in
:10:07. > :10:11.women's rights. I believe in all equality. I don't believe in rebid
:10:12. > :10:16.feminists, no, and the reason I used that phrase on Twitter was Bob steps
:10:17. > :10:21.Madonna, and what does she tell the masses to end the hate? She says I
:10:22. > :10:25.been thinking regularly about bombing the White House, then goes
:10:26. > :10:32.into a foul-mouthed rant about how disgusting Trump is. Then we had
:10:33. > :10:39.people making lewd jokes about incest with his daughter. It was a
:10:40. > :10:45.pretty hateful side yesterday, and the point Rod Liddle is making is
:10:46. > :10:51.actually, what is it about? If we don't like Donald Trump and we wish
:10:52. > :10:56.Hillary Clinton had won, sorry, sisters, but Donald Trump won. How
:10:57. > :11:01.many of these people who marched in America actually voted? Because
:11:02. > :11:07.Donald Trump got 52% in America of the white female vote, he got 40% of
:11:08. > :11:11.the total female vote. If everyone who had marched had voted for
:11:12. > :11:17.Hillary Clinton, he might not be there. So people who lose the
:11:18. > :11:20.election are not entitled to express their views? That is what democracy
:11:21. > :11:29.is about. This is a good piece by Helen Lewis who has picked out one
:11:30. > :11:37.person, -- who talk about people like Piers ever picked out one
:11:38. > :11:46.person like Madonna, and it is hitting out at this lazy assumption
:11:47. > :11:48.that somehow Hillary lost because of identity politics. What she argues
:11:49. > :11:55.is that those who analyse the election show Hillary Clinton spoke
:11:56. > :12:00.thousands of times about jobs and education, about inequality, and
:12:01. > :12:05.only a tiny bit about women's rights and racism. She argues that if you
:12:06. > :12:12.want to talk about identity politics, the wall was identity
:12:13. > :12:18.politics, being disparaging. About Mexicans of course. We are beginning
:12:19. > :12:22.to see the first signs of the Trump Administration, and signs of from
:12:23. > :12:26.Russia's war between the Trump Administration and the mainstream
:12:27. > :12:31.media, particularly CNN for home use to work. Yes, I personally wouldn't
:12:32. > :12:35.have voted for Donald Trump, he's not my politics, specifically on
:12:36. > :12:40.things like climate change and gun control, however he's the president.
:12:41. > :12:46.The media are involved in this war with a guy that they for months and
:12:47. > :12:50.months at the start of his campaign fuelled. Make no bones about it,
:12:51. > :12:54.they put him on prime-time television, they created the
:12:55. > :12:58.monster, then like Doctor Frankenstein said hang on, he might
:12:59. > :13:06.win, we better try to kill him. There was a British comedian who
:13:07. > :13:13.said I dare you, Trump, Ron, and now look what's happened. There is a
:13:14. > :13:17.headline on the CNN website, White House press secretary attacks media
:13:18. > :13:21.for accurately reporting inauguration crowds. To be fair,
:13:22. > :13:25.Donald Trump's spokesman was trying to claim there were more people
:13:26. > :13:29.there for the inauguration than their workforce Barack Obama, which
:13:30. > :13:35.is ridiculous, we know there were more therefore Barack Obama. Can
:13:36. > :13:39.this become a war between the President of the United States and
:13:40. > :13:49.the press corps? As a journalist I think it is very unhealthy. And he
:13:50. > :13:52.wants to privatise national public radio. I think he needs to calm down
:13:53. > :13:57.about the press and the press need to calm down about double Trump. If
:13:58. > :14:01.the press would afford him a bit of respect, they might get it back. I
:14:02. > :14:05.don't think we have got the paper here but we can talk a little bit
:14:06. > :14:08.about the industrial strategy story because that's the other big thing
:14:09. > :14:12.coming from the Government on this side this week, Theresa May saying
:14:13. > :14:16.she is putting a lot of money into colleges to train people in schools
:14:17. > :14:21.like bricklaying, plumbing and so forth. We hear a lot about this for
:14:22. > :14:31.years but now it's actually happening. I think Downing Street
:14:32. > :14:33.would argue that this focus on the industrial strategy is meant to be a
:14:34. > :14:36.continuation of her Brexit beach, so it's about speaking to the Brexit
:14:37. > :14:38.vote and trying to use this as an opportunity to rebalance the
:14:39. > :14:42.economy. The focus will be about technical skills, but as you say
:14:43. > :14:46.it's been talked about a lot and it hasn't happened. It's been talked
:14:47. > :14:52.about this extent a lot so the proof will be in pudding. Do you think we
:14:53. > :14:57.are at a moment when our economic policy changes quite radically? On
:14:58. > :15:01.the one hand we are losing allegedly lots of bankers because of Brexit
:15:02. > :15:02.and on the other hand is a lot of folks on rebuilding manufacturing
:15:03. > :15:12.and doing something for the north. All bets are off. We are in
:15:13. > :15:19.uncharted territory. I voted to remain. I didn't want this, but now
:15:20. > :15:23.we are where we are, a bit like with Trump, I am very positive, because I
:15:24. > :15:27.think you have two, being positive is the right attitude, until it all
:15:28. > :15:32.goes to hell in a handcart. If it does, the ones who voted remain can
:15:33. > :15:38.say, we told you. Meanwhile, Theresa May has made what appears to be a
:15:39. > :15:41.clear threat - if I don't get what I want, we will slash tax and take a
:15:42. > :15:45.different economic route in this country. Dominic Lawson as an
:15:46. > :15:53.interesting piece in the Sunday Times. He has written, we shouldn't
:15:54. > :15:55.be threatening EU leaders because we need their votes, ultimately. It is
:15:56. > :15:59.a good point. Having said that, from a negotiating point of view, we
:16:00. > :16:04.remember David Cameron trying to negotiate from a position of, I will
:16:05. > :16:08.stay in, whatever happens, give me a good deal. Anyone who has played
:16:09. > :16:14.poker knows that is not a smart way to do this. Theresa May beating the
:16:15. > :16:20.British Chester bit and saying, we can survive without you we have two,
:16:21. > :16:27.I think it is a good negotiating tactic. -- beating the British chest
:16:28. > :16:32.is a bit. The other story is the Stoke by-election. There are two big
:16:33. > :16:38.by-elections for the Labour Party, and they are facing a series of
:16:39. > :16:42.quite hard tests, particularly since Paul not all, the new Ukip leader
:16:43. > :16:46.who is writing in the Sunday Telegraph, is standing in Stoke
:16:47. > :16:52.Central. That's right. He is trying to drive a knife through Labour's
:16:53. > :16:57.coalition, which has been made more fragile by that Brexit boat. He says
:16:58. > :17:06.there is a joke doing the rounds that Ukip is the party of Stoke, in
:17:07. > :17:10.fact, they both are, but Ukip is the party of Stoke and Labour is the
:17:11. > :17:14.party of Stoke Newington. He is trying to hammer this idea that
:17:15. > :17:28.Labour represents the liberal, London boys. This will be -- London
:17:29. > :17:32.voice. This will be an immigration by-election. It will be indicative
:17:33. > :17:36.of how much impact the referendum had. But remember, the Tories have
:17:37. > :17:41.done a lot to squeeze Ukip on the issue Brexit. I have seen that the
:17:42. > :17:46.Tories are planning to go very hard in Stoke. People in the Mirror say
:17:47. > :17:53.today that Jeremy Corbyn's position could be in peril. He denies being
:17:54. > :17:58.toast. We have run out of time. Very quickly, my father had a stroke a
:17:59. > :18:01.few years ago, and we have all talked about what you have been
:18:02. > :18:07.through, and I think it is remarkable that you have been able
:18:08. > :18:12.to do this show. You wrote a great piece about the treatment you had in
:18:13. > :18:20.America, which has really worked. What I would now like to see is the
:18:21. > :18:23.proper double-blind trial. It could be cheaper if we did it on the NHS
:18:24. > :18:31.than things that we do at the moment. It is a great piece. On that
:18:32. > :18:33.moment of consensus, thank you very much indeed.
:18:34. > :18:36.Absolutely no complaints this week - it's been crystal clear, sunny,
:18:37. > :18:39.yes a bit cold of course, but fabulously beautiful.
:18:40. > :18:53.Some of those areas that have had clear skies could see dense fog
:18:54. > :18:58.patches tomorrow morning. More of that in a moment. Today, the best of
:18:59. > :19:04.the sunshine is in South East England and East Anglia. There will
:19:05. > :19:08.be a few wintry flurries in Scotland this afternoon, with plenty of
:19:09. > :19:13.cloud. Northern Ireland will see sunny spells. A cold day, most of us
:19:14. > :19:19.3-6dC. A bit milder than it has been in Wales and south-west England.
:19:20. > :19:25.Tonight, variable cloud, still a few light showers around. A frost but
:19:26. > :19:29.many of us again. Here comes the fog, especially into England and
:19:30. > :19:35.Wales. Not everyone will see it, but there could be dense freezing fog
:19:36. > :19:39.patches around during tomorrow morning's rush hour. Especially for
:19:40. > :19:43.parts of England and Wales, do check before you head out. A few patches
:19:44. > :19:50.are possible in Scotland and Northern Ireland. We will keep you
:19:51. > :19:54.updated. Fog is possible for some on Tuesday morning. It looks like a
:19:55. > :19:56.cold, settled week for much of England and Wales, but Scotland and
:19:57. > :20:00.Northern Ireland turning windier and wetter.
:20:01. > :20:03.No MP I can think of has been quite so outspoken in his urgent hostility
:20:04. > :20:06.to Theresa May's Brexit plans than the former Deputy Prime
:20:07. > :20:08.Minister and former leader of the Liberal Democrats,
:20:09. > :20:13.But it looks like a done deal, so how can the Liberal Democrats
:20:14. > :20:20.and their own rump of nine MPs really make any difference?
:20:21. > :20:26.Nick Clegg, the first thing to say is that at least we have clarity. I
:20:27. > :20:30.suppose it is not surprising that Theresa May says we can't stay
:20:31. > :20:33.inside the single market, because of the Brexit referendum was happily
:20:34. > :20:37.about immigration and taking control of freedom of movement, that means
:20:38. > :20:41.leaving the single market. But at least we have clarity. Yes, but the
:20:42. > :20:46.wrong kind of clarity. She made a choice, which I disagree with, but
:20:47. > :20:50.that is the choice she made. I don't agree with your characterisation.
:20:51. > :20:54.There are plenty of politicians across the EU who are saying there
:20:55. > :20:57.needs to be changed the freedom of movement, so there is scope for a
:20:58. > :21:01.Europe-wide approach to this that could satisfy some of the
:21:02. > :21:06.Government's needs. This is early days, the easy bit where the
:21:07. > :21:11.Government sets out its stall. There will now be a collision, in my view,
:21:12. > :21:18.quite a painful one, with reality with negotiating the 27 goverments
:21:19. > :21:21.and Parliaments. You can't on the one hand the spouse free trade and
:21:22. > :21:27.then yank yourself out of the world's most successful free trading
:21:28. > :21:30.area, the single market. There are other free trade deals you can do
:21:31. > :21:37.with other countries. People are saying, grey, we will have a new
:21:38. > :21:44.deal with America. No deal with America can replace what we are
:21:45. > :21:47.going to lose on our own doorstep. If you double the trade with
:21:48. > :21:55.America, Canada, New Zealand, Australia and India, you still would
:21:56. > :21:59.not trade as much as you do with our nearest neighbours in the EU. The
:22:00. > :22:04.reason is, geography still counts. Countries tend to trade most, in
:22:05. > :22:08.goods, at least, the country is nearest to them. People were told
:22:09. > :22:11.clearly during the referendum that if we voted to leave the EU, we
:22:12. > :22:15.would leave the single market, and they said that was a price worth
:22:16. > :22:19.paying because of the immigration issue. It seems that sometimes the
:22:20. > :22:24.Lib Dems cannot quite hear that message. My experience is that there
:22:25. > :22:28.are different reasons why people voted for Brexit. In my constituency
:22:29. > :22:31.in Sheffield, lots of people said they were voting against Brussels
:22:32. > :22:35.because they were so fed up with London. One person even told me in
:22:36. > :22:39.the a few hours before the polls open that he was voting for Brexit
:22:40. > :22:44.because he wanted to buy a house and wanted to see prices come down. As
:22:45. > :22:48.you know, there was no single manifesto from the Brexiteers saying
:22:49. > :22:52.what they wanted. That is the past, and the Government has stated what
:22:53. > :22:55.it wants to do. One thing I can guarantee is that what will not
:22:56. > :23:01.happen is that the rest of the EU will say, you can have your cake and
:23:02. > :23:05.eat it. There will be choices to be made. No one doubts that. My real
:23:06. > :23:10.question, however, is but might you hate the whole thing, wish it hadn't
:23:11. > :23:15.happened and would like to reverse it, but how can you have any effect
:23:16. > :23:19.on this? You have nine MPs. You may do well in council by-elections, but
:23:20. > :23:23.how can you possibly change anything? Events will drive a lot of
:23:24. > :23:28.this. Of course, if the Government plans turn out to be agreed
:23:29. > :23:32.effortlessly by the rest of the EU and something happens which has
:23:33. > :23:35.never happened before - a highly complex trade agreement is signed,
:23:36. > :23:40.sealed, done and dusted in 18 months, then of course, we should
:23:41. > :23:48.have the humility to say that we were wrong. People are saying this
:23:49. > :23:51.can be done quite quickly. I don't think anyone thinks it can be done
:23:52. > :23:55.on the ambition that the Prime Minister set up. A fundamental
:23:56. > :24:01.contradiction is, whether we like it or not, the biggest destination for
:24:02. > :24:04.our goods and service is that market place with its rules, so we will
:24:05. > :24:08.still had to abide by those rules. When that becomes clear, the British
:24:09. > :24:13.public will have some doubts. At that point, what happens? We have a
:24:14. > :24:17.court case this week which may require the Government to take the
:24:18. > :24:20.Article 50 triggering issue to the House of Commons. At that point,
:24:21. > :24:25.presumably, you and the other parties would come together and vote
:24:26. > :24:29.against it. I wouldn't hold your breath any great drama in Parliament
:24:30. > :24:34.at that point. People like clearly, will take a position that will say
:24:35. > :24:38.we should take amendments, and that there should be another referendum
:24:39. > :24:41.on the deal when that finally transpired. I think most
:24:42. > :24:45.Conservative MPs will be cajoled into falling into line, and the
:24:46. > :24:50.Labour Party seems to have suffered this catastrophic loss of nerve on
:24:51. > :24:55.the European issue. Later in the parliament, do you expect to see a
:24:56. > :24:59.motion of no confidence after some business or other decides to move to
:25:00. > :25:03.Europe? It will depend on what happens next. My view is, the
:25:04. > :25:08.Government is in the honeymoon phase. All the unbridled applause
:25:09. > :25:11.and praise from the Brexit press, the Conservative backbenchers, who
:25:12. > :25:17.are quite zealous about this, they are quiescent at the moment. This
:25:18. > :25:21.will change, because Theresa May has two options. She will either have to
:25:22. > :25:24.compromise with the EU, which I hope she does in the national interest,
:25:25. > :25:28.but in doing so she will aggravate and annoy a lot of zealous people in
:25:29. > :25:33.her own party. Or she will have to stick with what she has, and bicker
:25:34. > :25:38.heels in, which will be bad for the country. She can't compromise on
:25:39. > :25:42.immigration, Kenji? I am a supporter of British people being able to
:25:43. > :25:51.work, travel and study elsewhere in the EU and vice versa. I would
:25:52. > :25:54.suggest two things. First, why does Theresa May never mention that
:25:55. > :25:59.immigration from outside the EU is still running at higher levels than
:26:00. > :26:01.from within? Many of the publicly expressed reservations about
:26:02. > :26:06.immigration were about pictures of people jumping on and off trucks in
:26:07. > :26:12.Dover, illegal immigration, nothing to do with the EU. Or those people
:26:13. > :26:17.travelling across the Mediterranean, nothing to do with freedom of
:26:18. > :26:21.movement. Why clobber German engineers or Latvian fruit pickers
:26:22. > :26:24.we happier when the issue of immigration is wider? And why not
:26:25. > :26:28.reach out to those other European politicians who say they also
:26:29. > :26:33.believe there should be some qualifications, as the raw ready, to
:26:34. > :26:38.freedom of movement? Do you have no sympathy for communities up and down
:26:39. > :26:43.the country that think they have changed too far and too fast. Look
:26:44. > :26:48.at Boston and Stoke-on-Trent - vast cultural change very quickly. It's
:26:49. > :26:55.not surprising people are fed up, is it? Of course, I understand. Theresa
:26:56. > :26:59.May is listening to those people. Just clobbering people who have come
:27:00. > :27:07.from the EU is not the answer to people crossing to Dover in the dead
:27:08. > :27:11.of night. More people have come out of -- have come into our country
:27:12. > :27:17.from outside the EU but the last 40 years. If you're worried about
:27:18. > :27:19.numbers, which is what we are told, why are we only squeezing that part
:27:20. > :27:25.of immigration which is actually helpful to our country and ignore
:27:26. > :27:28.the larger part? You mention that the Labour Party seems confused
:27:29. > :27:32.about this. And the Lib Dems have been doing very well in local
:27:33. > :27:37.council by-elections. Some people are saying this will be a big year
:27:38. > :27:41.Lib Dem revival. What you think is the future for the Labour Party in
:27:42. > :27:46.the north of England? There is a prospect that the fate that occurred
:27:47. > :27:50.to the Labour Party north of the border will now, in one form or
:27:51. > :27:54.another, happened south of the border. It is in danger of being
:27:55. > :27:58.cannibalised by Ukip at one end and the Lib Dems at the other. The
:27:59. > :28:03.ambivalence and lack of clarity from Labour about the biggest issue of
:28:04. > :28:07.our times, delivering helplessly in the middle-of-the-road, is only
:28:08. > :28:10.going to make their fate worse. It seems laughable to think that a
:28:11. > :28:17.party with nine MPs could become the main opposition party, what do you
:28:18. > :28:23.see this as such a moment in our national choice that there is a
:28:24. > :28:29.moment for the Lib Dems? This dividing line, in favour of
:28:30. > :28:32.embracing Europe or not, is the dividing line in politics,
:28:33. > :28:36.particularly in the age of Trump and Putin and the chauvinism of people
:28:37. > :28:40.like that. And you need to make a choice about where you stand, and
:28:41. > :28:43.the Labour Party doesn't seem to stand anywhere, while the Lib Dems
:28:44. > :28:45.have a clear position. That will lead to changes in the years ahead.
:28:46. > :28:48.Thank you very much, Nick Clegg. Now with news of what's coming up
:28:49. > :28:58.straight after this programme, Join us live from Bradford at 10am
:28:59. > :29:00.when after millions of women around the globe protested against
:29:01. > :29:06.President Trump, we will ask, is the system still stacked against women?
:29:07. > :29:08.Then, does prison work? And should have -- and should religion have any
:29:09. > :29:10.role to play in politics? Now, coming up later this morning,
:29:11. > :29:13.Andrew Neil will be talking about the impact of Donald Trump's
:29:14. > :29:16.presidency with a Trump insider And he'll be joined by the Shadow
:29:17. > :29:19.Home Secretary, Diane Abbott. That's the Sunday Politics
:29:20. > :29:23.at 11 here on BBC 1. Labour supporters are now deeply
:29:24. > :29:25.split between angry Remainers Desperately trying to look
:29:26. > :29:30.in both directions at once, the party is in danger of sounding
:29:31. > :29:33.incoherent, and with two key by-elections
:29:34. > :29:35.coming up, time is short. John McDonnell, the Shadow
:29:36. > :29:48.Chancellor, joins me. That is the big problem, isn't it?
:29:49. > :29:51.You have passionately pro-remain and passionately pro-Brexit people in
:29:52. > :29:55.the Labour Party, and they both want to hear totally different messages
:29:56. > :29:59.from you. It makes it hard to have a coherent message. it's a challenge,
:30:00. > :30:03.and I think Jeremy Corbyn has taken up courageous position in that he
:30:04. > :30:08.recognises that you've got to bring the country together at some stage.
:30:09. > :30:12.It will be a traditional British compromise that will come further
:30:13. > :30:16.down the line, almost inevitably. There is a divide, not just in the
:30:17. > :30:19.Labour Party but in the country. The Liberals argue they want a second
:30:20. > :30:27.referendum to overturn the last one, that Brexiteers want to take us out
:30:28. > :30:34.and ignore the rest of the population. Remember what Aneurin
:30:35. > :30:37.Bevan said about the middle-of-the-road. There will be a
:30:38. > :30:40.compromise, and the Labour Party will drive that and bring sides
:30:41. > :30:42.together. Of course, it's a tough decision to make. It's the right
:30:43. > :30:55.decision and a leadership position. This week the Prime Minister laid
:30:56. > :30:59.out her plans for Brexit. It was a speech, it wasn't one. It gave more
:31:00. > :31:03.clarity but she also said if Britain gets a bad deal, we will leave and
:31:04. > :31:10.have an alternative economic model which would mean cutting taxes. Some
:31:11. > :31:18.people have called that a Singapore model, what's your reaction? It is a
:31:19. > :31:22.kamikaze approach to negotiations because it would cause problems with
:31:23. > :31:26.trade agreements across the world, it would destroy our industrial
:31:27. > :31:35.base, and undermine our services as well. I honestly think... Do you
:31:36. > :31:39.think it is a hollow threat? Yes and also a dangerous threat. You need to
:31:40. > :31:43.go in with strength but to exaggerate the threat like that
:31:44. > :31:57.which cannot be realised. It also means cutting our corporation tax to
:31:58. > :32:03.12.5%, the Irish rate. 120 billion by 2022 given away to corporations,
:32:04. > :32:07.how then will we fund our NHS? Let me ask you about another internal
:32:08. > :32:13.matter, we have the Article 50 vote coming up and more than 40 Labour
:32:14. > :32:18.MPs who publicly discussed their unhappiness because they see it as a
:32:19. > :32:22.choice between two bad options, we will either get Theresa May's deal
:32:23. > :32:27.or the thing we have just been talking about so why should we help
:32:28. > :32:33.to happen? You are an old serial rebel yourself, you will surely not
:32:34. > :32:36.with these people into voting... What we will do step-by-step, first
:32:37. > :32:39.of all we have got to recognise the referendum result and parliament
:32:40. > :32:45.should respect that, we have said that all the way through. But what
:32:46. > :32:50.we will try and it was well is make sure we amend whatever comes through
:32:51. > :32:56.Article 50, whether it is a motion or a piece of legislation. We think
:32:57. > :33:00.there will be a majority across the House of Commons in not just our
:33:01. > :33:05.party but working with others and Conservatives as well, to amend it
:33:06. > :33:09.in such a way that we get proper Parliamentary scrutiny. Are you
:33:10. > :33:13.going to be putting forward an amendment in those terms if it comes
:33:14. > :33:16.to the House of Commons, saying you want full Parliamentary scrutiny and
:33:17. > :33:21.looking again at the matter of the single market? We want to make sure
:33:22. > :33:25.there is full Parliamentary scrutiny throughout the process. Ken Clarke
:33:26. > :33:29.came up with a good proposal which I thought was interesting, he asked
:33:30. > :33:34.the Prime Minister will there be regular statements and will we be
:33:35. > :33:37.able to vote on them? Because that way MPs representing their
:33:38. > :33:41.constituents will be able to influence negotiations as we go
:33:42. > :33:48.along, and that way I think we will arrive at Labour's position which is
:33:49. > :33:53.a real compromise that will work. You have two bid by elections coming
:33:54. > :33:57.up, Stoke-on-Trent and Copeland. I asked Jeremy Corbyn last week if you
:33:58. > :34:02.were toast if you lost them and he said no, but in fact it would be a
:34:03. > :34:06.terrible blow for the Labour Party. If a government party was taking
:34:07. > :34:11.seats from the opposition party it is unprecedented. Since Brexit you
:34:12. > :34:16.cannot calculate by-election results on what has gone on in the past so
:34:17. > :34:27.we have got to fight for every vote and that is what we will do. I'm
:34:28. > :34:33.angry by the statements by Mr Nuttall today, taking the electorate
:34:34. > :34:41.for granted. It sounds as if you are preparing to lose this. Not at all,
:34:42. > :34:45.we are fighting vote by vote. Remember, Paul Nuttall wants to
:34:46. > :34:54.privatise the NHS and I think people will wake up to those threats. He
:34:55. > :34:57.said it publicly, is on the record. After Brexit, whoever is in charge
:34:58. > :35:01.in Westminster will be able to control immigration with the EU,
:35:02. > :35:06.what would Labour's policy be in those circumstances? The Government
:35:07. > :35:09.will withdraw from the freedom of movement, we know that so we will
:35:10. > :35:13.try to ensure the Government is accountable on that matter and
:35:14. > :35:16.ensure it is a fair system introduced. It's also with regard to
:35:17. > :35:25.the protection of workers' rights, so we will look to ensure this, but
:35:26. > :35:28.we will work with European colleagues as well to make sure
:35:29. > :35:32.there is a fair system right the way across Europe if we can. I've been
:35:33. > :35:36.speaking to a lot of Labour voting people in the last few weeks and
:35:37. > :35:41.months, and there's a sense the Labour Party could be on the edge of
:35:42. > :35:46.a catastrophic collapse of some kind. Is there any part of you that
:35:47. > :35:49.thinks this could be a very dangerous period for us? I think
:35:50. > :35:55.you're talking to the wrong people. I was on the streets of Brighton
:35:56. > :36:00.yesterday... I was talking to some people in Manchester and they said
:36:01. > :36:05.the atmosphere is pretty toxic. I'm a Scouser, I come from Liverpool and
:36:06. > :36:09.go there regularly. We realise the serious situation or countries
:36:10. > :36:13.facing as a result of Brexit and we realised that has to be a sensible
:36:14. > :36:23.compromise that protects everyone. Particularly jobs, wages, and feel
:36:24. > :36:31.economy overall. We have got to grow, and you will see that over the
:36:32. > :36:34.next 12 months. This is a difficult period, it's been 19 months since
:36:35. > :36:39.the general election, half of that has been engaged in leadership
:36:40. > :36:44.elections so no wonder people see us as a divided party. Let's make this
:36:45. > :36:48.absolutely clear, Jeremy Corbyn will lead us into the next general
:36:49. > :36:51.election and we will win it. You have seen the Trident story in the
:36:52. > :36:55.Sunday Times this morning, the suggestion is that one of these
:36:56. > :37:01.missiles misfired badly and there has been a news blackout to cover up
:37:02. > :37:04.since. People on both sides of the argument on Trident would have
:37:05. > :37:09.expected that to have been reported to Parliament and the fact Theresa
:37:10. > :37:13.May didn't is extremely worrying and I think questions have to be asked
:37:14. > :37:15.about that. John McDonnell, thanks for talking to us.
:37:16. > :37:18.The American soprano Joyce Di Donato is one of the greatest
:37:19. > :37:22.A Grammy-award winner, who also won hearts here for her rendition
:37:23. > :37:24.of Rule Britannia at the Last Night of the Proms, she's
:37:25. > :37:26.passionate about making opera accessible to all audiences.
:37:27. > :37:30.And she's even decided to go to prison to make her case.
:37:31. > :37:33.I'm going to talk to Joyce in a moment, but first
:37:34. > :37:35.here she is performing something special for us today.
:37:36. > :37:37.On inauguration weekend, an American classic.
:37:38. > :40:02.Wow. A very old song. Folk tune that has been handed down from generation
:40:03. > :40:07.to generation. I grew up in Kansas City right along the river so it's a
:40:08. > :40:10.very personal song. I mentioned at the beginning of the programme that
:40:11. > :40:14.it looks like the National endowment for the arts projects will be
:40:15. > :40:17.withdrawn by the new president. We don't know that for sure but what
:40:18. > :40:22.would it mean for the arts in America if that was true? It would
:40:23. > :40:25.mean devastation for a lot of the smaller organisations that rely on
:40:26. > :40:29.funding to support the programmes, and for the large organisations it
:40:30. > :40:36.means tougher fundraising. The interesting thing the arts in 2013
:40:37. > :40:42.contributed almost 750 billion to the economy and it was 4.2% of the
:40:43. > :40:49.GDP. The proposed budget they are asking for in 2017 is just over 150
:40:50. > :40:53.million, it is nothing and yet it will mean devastation for a lot of
:40:54. > :41:01.programmes. You're a very well-known opera singer and you have taken two
:41:02. > :41:06.people who don't fully here opera, including in prison and elsewhere.
:41:07. > :41:10.Do they get it? It is working and transforming their lives. One of the
:41:11. > :41:14.men, Joe Wilson, who I've established a good relationship
:41:15. > :41:19.with, I went a second time and he said I had no idea this world
:41:20. > :41:24.existed but now I know I have to write an opera. It's a chance for
:41:25. > :41:28.them to come in and understand their humanity better. I understand my
:41:29. > :41:33.humanity better because this music and the poetry shows me my dark and
:41:34. > :41:42.light and allows me to understand it better. And you have a new album, In
:41:43. > :41:46.War And Peace, baroque opera, relatively early opera, and they are
:41:47. > :41:51.intense, they move from darkness to light within a few bars. And for
:41:52. > :41:56.that reason they sound modern to my ear today. They are talking about
:41:57. > :42:00.themes that you are talking about on your programme today, as timeless as
:42:01. > :42:03.ever. For those who think it is abstract, I will play a clip from
:42:04. > :42:40.you singing Handel. I don't understand how you can sing
:42:41. > :42:47.like that on your knees sitting on the floor, it must be really hard.
:42:48. > :42:53.Training! And it all comes from here. Absolutely. And you are only
:42:54. > :42:57.the second or third non-British person to be asked to sing that
:42:58. > :43:01.song, it's a very old-fashioned patriotic British song, how did it
:43:02. > :43:07.feel for an American to be singing it? I was trembling in my boots,
:43:08. > :43:11.draped in gorgeous Vivienne Westwood in the union Jack. It's an
:43:12. > :43:17.extraordinary thing to give people that moment in the Albert Hall. Of
:43:18. > :43:22.course Vivienne Westwood is also the Prime Minister's favourite designer
:43:23. > :43:27.so you share that at least. Thank you very much. I'm joined now by the
:43:28. > :43:32.Prime Minister. Welcome, Theresa May. You are going to Washington to
:43:33. > :43:35.meet Donald Trump on Friday and it's been reported in the papers that he
:43:36. > :43:41.will come here in the summer, are you hoping that will happen? I would
:43:42. > :43:45.look forward to welcoming him some time this year if that's possible,
:43:46. > :43:49.but in terms of state visit that's a matter for Buckingham Palace and
:43:50. > :43:54.they haven't announced their visits for this year yet. What did you make
:43:55. > :43:59.of his inauguration speech? It had a very clear message to it, about
:44:00. > :44:05.putting America first. But if you think about it, any leader, any
:44:06. > :44:08.government, as we do here in the United Kingdom, when we look at any
:44:09. > :44:12.issue we make sure we are putting the interests of British people
:44:13. > :44:19.first. And you are going on Friday to talk to him, is that right? Yes,
:44:20. > :44:23.I will be talking to him on Friday and bears many issues to talk about
:44:24. > :44:26.because obviously the special relationship between the UK and the
:44:27. > :44:30.US has been strong for many years. We have a opportunity to talk about
:44:31. > :44:35.our possible trading relationship but also some of the worlds
:44:36. > :44:40.challenges we will face, like defeating terrorism, the conflict in
:44:41. > :44:44.Syria... Because this is a man who Britain needs but is also incredibly
:44:45. > :44:49.divisive. Your own policy chief said the speech you have just praise was
:44:50. > :44:52.deliberately divisive and confrontational and showed the
:44:53. > :44:56.politics of hate and a lot of people agreed with him. What I think is
:44:57. > :45:01.important is that when I sit down with Donald Trump, I will talk about
:45:02. > :45:04.building on that special relationship. He says he wants to
:45:05. > :45:09.see a very strong relationship between the UK and the US going into
:45:10. > :45:13.the future. There are issues we will work together on, the importance of
:45:14. > :45:17.Nato for example, defeating terrorism. These are issues where we
:45:18. > :45:21.share the challenges, we see the threat and have worked together in
:45:22. > :45:25.the past and will in the future. You are one of the most prominent female
:45:26. > :45:30.political leaders in the world, 2 million women marched about what
:45:31. > :45:33.Donald Trump said about women. You must be torn between someone who
:45:34. > :45:37.wants a good deal from him and someone who will talk truth to this
:45:38. > :45:39.particular version of power, which will it be? Will you raise the issue
:45:40. > :45:49.of his treatment of women? First, I have already said that some
:45:50. > :45:53.of his comments towards women are unacceptable. He has apologised for
:45:54. > :45:56.some of them himself. When I sit down, I think the bigger statement
:45:57. > :46:01.that will be made about the role of women is the fact that I will be
:46:02. > :46:06.there whereas a female Prime Minister, talking to him directly
:46:07. > :46:11.about the interests that we share. You won't raise it directly? Andrew,
:46:12. > :46:17.I have a track record, if you look at what I have done in defending the
:46:18. > :46:21.rights of women, domestic violence and so forth, I am proud to be only
:46:22. > :46:24.the second female Prime Minister the United Kingdom has had. Both of us
:46:25. > :46:30.conservatives. The Conservative Party has put female Prime Ministers
:46:31. > :46:34.here. I will talk to Donald Trump about the issues we share, about how
:46:35. > :46:40.we can build on the special relationship. It's the special
:46:41. > :46:45.relationship that also enables us to say when we do find things
:46:46. > :46:50.unacceptable. And you will put that? I won't be afraid to put something I
:46:51. > :46:57.find unacceptable to Donald Trump. He has called Nato obsolete. I have
:46:58. > :47:00.spoken to him about Nato. Nato is very important and has been at the
:47:01. > :47:05.forefront of our security in Europe, and we work together in Nato. We
:47:06. > :47:10.have both made the point before about contributions from countries.
:47:11. > :47:15.The UK is spending 2% of GDP on defence, and I think that is
:47:16. > :47:21.important. Do you agree about other Nato countries not paying their way?
:47:22. > :47:24.There are countries that are paying 2% of GDP and others that are
:47:25. > :47:30.working towards that. What is important is that we recognise the
:47:31. > :47:34.value of Nato, which he does, as an organisation that is helping us to
:47:35. > :47:39.defend Europe and defend the interests of all of those allies who
:47:40. > :47:44.are in Nato. After Brexit, we need a good free trade deal from Donald
:47:45. > :47:47.Trump, and yet, this is the most protectionist president America has
:47:48. > :47:52.had for a very long time. You were lauding free-trade at Davos in
:47:53. > :47:58.Switzerland. China is talking about free trade. Donald Trump is tearing
:47:59. > :48:03.up free trade. How is he a man we can make a good deal with? He has
:48:04. > :48:06.also spoken about the importance of a trade arrangement with the UK, and
:48:07. > :48:10.that that is something they are looking to talk to us about at an
:48:11. > :48:13.early stage, and I would expect to be able to talk to him about that
:48:14. > :48:18.alongside the other issues I will discuss with him in Washington. Free
:48:19. > :48:22.trade is important around the world. I believe globalisation is important
:48:23. > :48:28.and brings economic benefits to our countries, but we do need to make
:48:29. > :48:33.sure, as I said this week, that that prosperity is spread across the
:48:34. > :48:36.whole of the UK. That is why I am introducing the modern industrial
:48:37. > :48:40.strategy this week, so that we can ensure we are building on the
:48:41. > :48:45.strength of our economy across the whole UK. In schools, this is
:48:46. > :48:48.putting a new layer into the education system for technical
:48:49. > :48:55.education, which isn't provided for in this country. It is a variety of
:48:56. > :48:59.things. Yes, we will put an emphasis on technical education, looking at
:49:00. > :49:04.how we can extend some of the maths schools we have set up across the
:49:05. > :49:08.country, and crucially, it is about bringing together all parts of
:49:09. > :49:13.Government that have an impact on the economy and industry across a
:49:14. > :49:18.whole range of sectors, including services and manufacturing. It is
:49:19. > :49:22.about saying what our strengths are. We are coming together as a country,
:49:23. > :49:28.forging our future and shaping a new future for the UK as a global
:49:29. > :49:32.Britain. How can we do that? Is this a moment where we will see a real
:49:33. > :49:37.change in our industrial position? We will lose some banking jobs,
:49:38. > :49:41.let's not argue about how many. Since I have been reporting
:49:42. > :49:44.politics, we have been saying that we are too reliant on financial
:49:45. > :49:49.services and don't do enough manufacturing. Is this a moment
:49:50. > :49:54.where changes? We have seen changes in the economy in the UK, but the
:49:55. > :49:57.modern industrial strategy will be about asking what the shape of the
:49:58. > :50:01.economy we want the future is, where the successful sectors are that we
:50:02. > :50:08.can encourage to grow, but also, what are the sectors we need to look
:50:09. > :50:14.at the future? There was a lot we can do in science and innovation.
:50:15. > :50:17.Our chief scientist is looking at a battery Institute. Battery
:50:18. > :50:20.technology, we leave their way on that already, and there is a lot
:50:21. > :50:25.more we can. Where are the sectors that we can build on for the future?
:50:26. > :50:28.Crucially, let's look at the strengths of the whole UK to make
:50:29. > :50:33.sure this is an economy that works for everyone. This is part of my
:50:34. > :50:37.overall plan for Britain. You made a very important speech at Lancaster
:50:38. > :50:41.house this week, talking about your plans for Brexit. You have been
:50:42. > :50:45.working on for months and months, and I am sure it is thought through,
:50:46. > :50:58.and in that speech, you said that if Britain had to walk away from a bad
:50:59. > :51:01.deal inside the EU, and I am quoting, we would have the freedom
:51:02. > :51:03.to set the competitive tax rates and embrace the policies that would
:51:04. > :51:05.attract the world's best companies and investors to Britain. Can I ask
:51:06. > :51:08.what those policies would be? Let me explain why I made that point,
:51:09. > :51:12.because this is important. I have every expectation that we will be
:51:13. > :51:17.able to achieve a very good trade deal with the EU. I think that not
:51:18. > :51:21.just because it is going to be good for the UK, but also it is going to
:51:22. > :51:28.be good for the European Union too, so I want a trade deal with the EU
:51:29. > :51:32.which ensures that our companies have the best access to operate
:51:33. > :51:36.within the single European market in goods and services, but I am very
:51:37. > :51:40.clear that on behalf of the British people, I don't want to sign up to a
:51:41. > :51:46.bad deal for the UK, so it is right that we say that we will look at the
:51:47. > :51:51.alternatives. What is the alternative? Whatever the
:51:52. > :51:55.circumstances, whatever the deal we sign up to or if we don't get a good
:51:56. > :51:58.deal, I want to retain the competitiveness of the British
:51:59. > :52:02.economy, and that is why we will look at those options. Let's come to
:52:03. > :52:06.those options. It has been suggested we could turn Britain into a tax
:52:07. > :52:11.haven of some kind - is that on the agenda if we get a bad deal? We will
:52:12. > :52:16.look at the competitor that the soggy economy. I don't think we will
:52:17. > :52:19.have to walk away, but I have every confidence because of the interest
:52:20. > :52:24.of the EU as well that we will be able to get a good deal. You are
:52:25. > :52:28.asking me to go into details... You raised it. It has been noticed all
:52:29. > :52:33.across the EU, and people have been talking about little else in
:52:34. > :52:36.Brussels, Paris and Berlin. You mentioned specifically cutting tax
:52:37. > :52:40.rates, but beyond that, argues seriously suggesting that if we
:52:41. > :52:45.don't get a good deal, we would shred workers' writes, allow
:52:46. > :52:51.ourselves to become some kind of tax haven, because that is what it
:52:52. > :52:54.sounded like? On the rights of workers, I have said on more than
:52:55. > :52:58.one occasion that this is a Government that will protect those
:52:59. > :53:01.rights. More than that, it is a Government that has set up a review
:53:02. > :53:08.of the modern labour market to ask the question, have the rights of
:53:09. > :53:12.workers kept pace with the way the labour market is developing? What I
:53:13. > :53:15.was doing in that speech was setting out a number of things. First,
:53:16. > :53:20.showing that as a country we are coming together to shape our future.
:53:21. > :53:25.You are elegantly moving away from what I am trying to ask you about,
:53:26. > :53:31.which is, what is the alternative? Does it involve cutting corporation
:53:32. > :53:35.tax, as John McDonnell was suggesting, to 12.5%? We are looking
:53:36. > :53:38.down the barrel of a gun and if it is a possibility, we need to think
:53:39. > :53:44.about it. The contradiction is that you are a traditional Conservative
:53:45. > :53:48.Conservative, concerned about the just about managing people, you want
:53:49. > :53:52.everyone to pay tax and so forth, and now you are suggesting we could
:53:53. > :53:59.be some kind of offshore Singapore, with low tax rates, low regulation -
:54:00. > :54:03.is that really an option? It is very simple, what I am saying. For the
:54:04. > :54:06.vast majority of the public, this is exactly what they would want their
:54:07. > :54:11.Prime Minister to be doing. We want to negotiate a good deal with the EU
:54:12. > :54:17.for our trading relations. It will be for the sake of our economy and
:54:18. > :54:22.for the sake of theirs too. If you let me finish... I have every
:54:23. > :54:26.expectation that we will be able to negotiate that good deal, but it is
:54:27. > :54:29.only right that I, as British Prime Minister, should say that we are not
:54:30. > :54:34.going to sign up to a bad deal for the UK. Whatever the arrangement is,
:54:35. > :54:38.whether we have had that good deal, whether we have had to say that it's
:54:39. > :54:40.a bad deal which we won't sign up to, we will maintain the
:54:41. > :54:45.competitiveness of the British economy. How we do that will be
:54:46. > :54:48.something that will be looked at in detail should that be the
:54:49. > :54:53.eventuality that we come to. Our focus at the moment is on ensuring
:54:54. > :54:55.that we get that good deal that enables us to have the strategic
:54:56. > :55:01.partnership with Europe that I want to continue to have. We are leaving
:55:02. > :55:04.the EU but not Europe. It is possible that we will have to go
:55:05. > :55:09.down this second group. We don't know that we won't, which is why it
:55:10. > :55:12.matters. Philip Hammond has talked about the alternative economic
:55:13. > :55:16.model, and I am working out what that could be. The logical answer
:55:17. > :55:20.is, if we are outside the free market area, we could try to
:55:21. > :55:23.deregulate and become, as it were, the low tax, low regulation
:55:24. > :55:29.alternative. If that is what we're talking about, I think we need to
:55:30. > :55:38.know that. What I have just said is, obviously, we will, depending on how
:55:39. > :55:40.the negotiations go, if we get to the point where we feel there is a
:55:41. > :55:43.bad deal, obviously, we will have looked at that eventuality and what
:55:44. > :55:47.we can put in place of that. You mention the regulation, but what
:55:48. > :55:54.people forget is that when we leave the EU, at that point, EU law will
:55:55. > :55:58.come into UK law and everyone will know where they stand at that point
:55:59. > :56:02.so we can have a smooth exit, which I think is right. At that point, it
:56:03. > :56:06.will then be possible for us to look at our regulations. What I am doing
:56:07. > :56:12.this week is crucial to all of this week, which is setting out a modern
:56:13. > :56:14.industrial strategy which is about setting the basis for the
:56:15. > :56:18.competitiveness of the British economy. In that same speech, you
:56:19. > :56:25.seemed to suggest that if we did not get the right deal, that we would
:56:26. > :56:30.cease security and surveillance relationships with other European
:56:31. > :56:36.countries, as if our GCHQ speciality was on the table in those talks.
:56:37. > :56:46.That is, presumably, aim mistaken -- a mistaken interpretation. There are
:56:47. > :56:55.lots of issues that come under the remit of the EU in intelligence, and
:56:56. > :57:02.they are part of maintaining our security and intelligence. They will
:57:03. > :57:04.be part of the negotiation. They will have to be, because we are
:57:05. > :57:10.there in those relationships. That is on the table? If you listen
:57:11. > :57:14.carefully, Andrew, to what I've said, let me give you some examples
:57:15. > :57:18.- there are certain border systems in Europe that we are members of as
:57:19. > :57:23.members of the EU. We will have to talk about what our future
:57:24. > :57:26.relationship is. We are a member of Europol and we will have to talk
:57:27. > :57:31.about what our future relationship is. There are issues in the justice,
:57:32. > :57:34.home affairs and Security area where they will be part of the
:57:35. > :57:37.negotiations precisely because we are there because of our membership
:57:38. > :57:43.of the EU. What I said in my speech is that I want to continue to have
:57:44. > :57:48.that good close cooperation. If you look at the threats we face
:57:49. > :57:51.collectively at the moment, and individual countries, now is not the
:57:52. > :57:58.time to cooperate less but to cooperate more. You will have seen
:57:59. > :58:02.the story this morning about a Trident misfire that was kept from
:58:03. > :58:05.the House of Commons and the public. When you make that first speech in
:58:06. > :58:11.July in the House of Commons about Trident, did you know that misfire
:58:12. > :58:14.had occurred? I have absolute faith in our Trident missiles. When I made
:58:15. > :58:19.the speech, we were talking about whether or not we should renew
:58:20. > :58:22.Trident, whether or not we should have an independent nuclear
:58:23. > :58:29.deterrent in the future. Did you know that had happened? I think we
:58:30. > :58:37.should defend our country and play our part. Jeremy Corbyn things we
:58:38. > :58:41.shouldn't. This is a serious incident - did you know about it
:58:42. > :58:44.when you spoke to the House of Commons? The issue in the House of
:58:45. > :58:48.Commons was serious. It was about looking to the future and whether we
:58:49. > :58:52.should have a replacement Trident. That is what we were talking about.
:58:53. > :58:57.That is what the House of Commons voted for. I believe in defending
:58:58. > :59:01.our country, Jeremy Corbyn voted against it and doesn't want to
:59:02. > :59:06.defend our country will stop Prime Minister, did you know? There at
:59:07. > :59:08.test that take place all the time, regularly, for our nuclear
:59:09. > :59:15.deterrent. What we were talking about... OK, I'm not going to get an
:59:16. > :59:22.answer to this. Can I ask about one other thing, if I may? Social care
:59:23. > :59:26.is in crisis in the country. The second most Conservative council in
:59:27. > :59:31.the country, in Surrey, under David Hodge, has suggested a 15% rise in
:59:32. > :59:36.council tax so that Surrey has a decent social care system, properly
:59:37. > :59:41.funded. Do you approve of what he has done? If you were in Surrey,
:59:42. > :59:45.would you vote for that yourself? We recognise there are pressures on
:59:46. > :59:48.social care, which is why we have put extra money into social care. We
:59:49. > :59:54.have allowed local authorities to raise extra money through the social
:59:55. > :59:58.care preset, but what local authorities do in relation to their
:59:59. > :00:02.council tax is a matter for them and between them and their electorates.
:00:03. > :00:08.What we have done is put extra money in. We have enabled them to raise
:00:09. > :00:11.money through the social care preset, but this isn't just about
:00:12. > :00:16.the amount of money that is available. We need to ensure that
:00:17. > :00:21.best practice is spread around the country. But it is quite a lot of
:00:22. > :00:24.money. There are some councils where there are virtually no delayed
:00:25. > :00:29.discharges from possible into social care. There are others, 24 councils,
:00:30. > :00:33.that account for 50% of delayed discharges. Let's look at what is
:00:34. > :00:37.happening in the system. Then, crucially, this is an issue that has
:00:38. > :00:41.been ducked by governments for too long, which is why I have setup work
:00:42. > :00:46.to say that we need to find a solution so we have a long-term
:00:47. > :00:50.sustainability of our social care provision. It's what people want and
:00:51. > :00:52.what the Government will do. Prime Minister, good luck in Washington
:00:53. > :00:53.and thank you for speaking to us. For all the latest
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