:00:00. > :00:00.Good morning - we may trigger Article 50 to leave the EU
:00:07. > :00:11.But today, there's a major confrontation between MPs
:00:12. > :00:15.and the government over a simple but hugely important question.
:00:16. > :00:40.I'm joined this morning by the man at the centre of the argument,
:00:41. > :00:43.And as the aftershocks of the budget continue,
:00:44. > :00:46.I'll be talking to Jeremy Corbyn's left-hand woman Rebecca Long-Bailey
:00:47. > :00:54.But those aren't the only political rows this weekend.
:00:55. > :00:56.With the future of power sharing in Northern Ireland hanging
:00:57. > :00:58.in the balance Sinn Fein's leader Gerry Adams joins us
:00:59. > :01:12.We also have the new face of Star Wars Thandie Newton.
:01:13. > :01:16.And singing us out, fresh from her Brits
:01:17. > :01:29.On my paper review panel this morning
:01:30. > :01:31.Owen Jones of the Guardian and the Sun
:01:32. > :01:36.All that after the news, read for us this
:01:37. > :01:42.The Brexit Secretary, David Davis, has urged MPs to leave the bill
:01:43. > :01:45.for exiting the EU unchanged when it is debated in
:01:46. > :01:50.Mr Davis, writing in the Sunday Telegraph,
:01:51. > :01:52.says the Prime Minister must be able to enter negotiations
:01:53. > :01:57.If MPs pass the bill, the Prime Minister could trigger
:01:58. > :02:03.The diplomatic row between the Netherlands
:02:04. > :02:08.Riot police in Rotterdam have used water cannon to break up
:02:09. > :02:11.a demonstration by Turkish protestors, angry about a decision
:02:12. > :02:14.to ban their country's Foreign Minister from
:02:15. > :02:19.Another Turkish minister who tried to reach the protesters was expelled
:02:20. > :02:26.The Metropolitan Police have been given additional funding to extend
:02:27. > :02:30.the search for Madeleine McCann for a further six months.
:02:31. > :02:32.The Home Office has given officers ?85,000 to cover
:02:33. > :02:38.The investigation was expected to wind up next month,
:02:39. > :02:43.but the extra money will extend it beyond the tenth anniversary of her
:02:44. > :02:49.The Sister Sledge singer Joni Sledge, who had a number
:02:50. > :02:51.of disco hits with her three sisters in the 70s, has died
:02:52. > :03:07.The band was formed in 1971 with their biggest hit
:03:08. > :03:09."We are Family" hitting the charts eight years later.
:03:10. > :03:12.Three of the sisters have continued to record music and last performed
:03:13. > :03:19.That's all from me. The next news on BBC One is at 1pm.
:03:20. > :03:36.The mail on Sunday with a savage attack on David Davis, grossly
:03:37. > :03:40.negligent and a direction of his duty, picking up on the report that
:03:41. > :03:44.we will talk about a lot in this programme later on. The Sunday
:03:45. > :03:47.Times. Our spies are apparently briefing political parties on the
:03:48. > :03:52.dangers of the Russians trying to hack them and what they can do about
:03:53. > :03:57.it. Another interesting story about Theresa May who could ask the EU to
:03:58. > :04:01.pay back ?9 billion from a European bank as part of negotiations. We are
:04:02. > :04:06.tasteful, we will not talk about the rugby very much! The Sunday
:04:07. > :04:10.Telegraph, the Cabinet War overbudget shambles. This is
:04:11. > :04:14.interesting. After the national insurance row and the allegation the
:04:15. > :04:19.Conservatives have broken their manifesto pledge, a lot of MPs have
:04:20. > :04:23.been wading into the Chancellor Philip Hammond including Norman
:04:24. > :04:29.Lamont, ferociously. Suggesting this is connected to Philip Hammond being
:04:30. > :04:33.moderate on the Brexit argument and they are trying to take it out. We
:04:34. > :04:39.did not know whether it is true or not. The Observer, MPs slam a over a
:04:40. > :04:40.lack of a planet Brexit talks collapse. We won't talk about the
:04:41. > :04:49.rugby. Let's talk about the big Brexit
:04:50. > :04:52.story. David Davis writing in the Sunday Telegraph. Yes, Brexit,
:04:53. > :04:57.Brexit, that is what we will talk about for the next 20 years! David
:04:58. > :04:58.Davis making the government's case against the amendments would have
:04:59. > :05:06.come back to the House of Lords. It would give MPs a proper say over
:05:07. > :05:11.the final deal. It would also safeguard the rights of EU citizens
:05:12. > :05:15.in this country. The problem, we had a referendum partly about Parliament
:05:16. > :05:17.true sovereignty, taking back control, giving Parliament a proper
:05:18. > :05:23.say is obviously consistent with that. The crucial issue is, if they
:05:24. > :05:26.don't have... If they give what they say at the moment, which Parliament
:05:27. > :05:32.will take or leave the deal, if there is no deal, this country will
:05:33. > :05:35.revert to, World Trade Organisation rules, food prices will hurtle up,
:05:36. > :05:38.the cost of other goods will hurtle up on the economy will be thrown
:05:39. > :05:42.into recession. Parliament are saying they should have a proper
:05:43. > :05:46.scrutiny of the final deal. This is when a lot of people find it hard to
:05:47. > :05:49.understand the government said say we will give Parliament a vote at
:05:50. > :05:53.the end of the process -- the government says. What is the
:05:54. > :06:01.problem? Parliament have basically been told that you take this deal or
:06:02. > :06:03.you throw the country into recession and heard a lot of food prices. Who
:06:04. > :06:06.would you blame? The government would say we had a deal but
:06:07. > :06:09.Parliament rejected it, it is their fault. But I think it is reckless.
:06:10. > :06:11.This is a calculation the government will make, people will look at what
:06:12. > :06:16.the government is doing and say, hang on a minute, you are seriously
:06:17. > :06:20.going to threaten the very future of the economy instead of saying,
:06:21. > :06:24.actually, Parliament can scrutinise aspects of the deal, the single
:06:25. > :06:28.market, customs union and other aspects. To which the government
:06:29. > :06:35.replies, however, that if we allow the Commons to second-guess us,
:06:36. > :06:38.Jane, we're not already in charge of our own negotiations? Precisely.
:06:39. > :06:43.Also, going into the Mail on Sunday Pages six and seven, the Mail on
:06:44. > :06:47.Sunday has been very pro-Remain from the beginning. They have really gone
:06:48. > :06:49.for this. They have. It's good that we have a divided media, actually,
:06:50. > :07:02.for debate. There are saying that the all-party
:07:03. > :07:05.Foreign Affairs Committee said there is a real possibility of Britain
:07:06. > :07:07.leaving the EU without a deal. And there is no evidence that the
:07:08. > :07:10.government was seriously preparing for it. Are they keeping their
:07:11. > :07:12.powder dry? If you want to get the best deal out of a negotiation, is
:07:13. > :07:16.it psychologically to your advantage if you go to the negotiator, this is
:07:17. > :07:20.what we want but by the way, if you don't give it to us, we have this
:07:21. > :07:21.back-up? Maybe they have got a no deal plan but they are just not
:07:22. > :07:29.telling anyone. We are leaving the European Union, I
:07:30. > :07:32.resent the fact the government are basically saying that this is an
:07:33. > :07:37.attempt to scupper Brexit. It isn't. This could work in the government's
:07:38. > :07:41.advantage, this story. It has put to one side the other huge row which is
:07:42. > :07:46.the breaking of the manifesto promise over Southern Bremen. Yes. I
:07:47. > :07:53.quickly wanted to do the Iain Duncan Smith piece on Brexit. -- over
:07:54. > :07:56.national insurance. Protecting the rights of EU citizens here it was
:07:57. > :07:59.mentioned. I absolutely agree with that. But Iain Duncan Smith is
:08:00. > :08:05.making the very valid point that there is no guarantee for the
:08:06. > :08:10.protection of UK citizens. Currently living in Europe. The question is
:08:11. > :08:13.about tactics. Is it better for us to do a big, generous gesture right
:08:14. > :08:17.at the beginning and say, whatever you say, we will protect your
:08:18. > :08:21.citizens and hope that improves the tone of the debate? Or is that
:08:22. > :08:27.handing a cost to the next side. It is the right thing to do.
:08:28. > :08:31.Absolutely. What about the other way round? It is about making a stand.
:08:32. > :08:35.The EU are put in a difficult position. This drives you towards
:08:36. > :08:39.the post-budget story. An excellent story by Tim Shipman in the Sunday
:08:40. > :08:44.Times. Number ten and 11 are at each other's throats, they are briefing
:08:45. > :08:47.against each other. This is about the broken manifesto commitment on
:08:48. > :08:51.national insurance. The Conservative Party were clear about it in the
:08:52. > :08:55.last general election, for self-employed people.
:08:56. > :09:03.The Chancellor's office are briefing Theresa May's aids on economically
:09:04. > :09:07.illiterate. They are saying he cost do politics, he is clueless about
:09:08. > :09:10.politics and haven't seen it coming. It is vicious. We know, often, the
:09:11. > :09:16.relationship between a Chancellor and a Prime Minister is rocky.
:09:17. > :09:20.Always has been. But, normally towards the end. From the very
:09:21. > :09:25.outset it interesting because we focused so much on Labour's internal
:09:26. > :09:28.turmoils. We are a very divided party. Whenever I mention that
:09:29. > :09:36.people say what about labour? But there does need to be scrutiny about
:09:37. > :09:38.their divisions. The point about self-employed people, self-employed
:09:39. > :09:43.people being asked to pay more but not being given the same rights that
:09:44. > :09:47.other people expect. Absolutely. Social Security, paid maternity
:09:48. > :09:51.leave, you name it. Vince Cable did a good piece in the Mail on Sunday.
:09:52. > :09:56.There is a picture of Philip Hammond with a rugby ball. I am not a rugby
:09:57. > :10:01.fan, has there been any matches? Nothing! Nothing! Nothing to talk
:10:02. > :10:04.about! He talks about a hospital pass, which is what you were
:10:05. > :10:12.referring to about David Cameron's pledge. Which he handed over. The
:10:13. > :10:16.pledge about the national insurance. He is saying he is likening it to
:10:17. > :10:21.the Lib Dems broking their election manifesto pledge, which of course,
:10:22. > :10:24.was not to raise tuition fees. I'm really interested in the allegation
:10:25. > :10:28.that people are going after Philip Hammond because he is not a hard
:10:29. > :10:34.Brexiteer. Seen as soft on this issue. A bit like a remain.
:10:35. > :10:41.They are briefing him, saying he has lost the, is on the single market,
:10:42. > :10:44.customs union and now on the budget. Clearly, on the issue of Brexit,
:10:45. > :10:49.let's not forget the Conservative Party has a very long history of
:10:50. > :10:52.falling out in very acrimonious ways over our relationship with the EU.
:10:53. > :10:57.Those divisions haven't just disappeared. As the negotiations
:10:58. > :11:01.continue, we will see those splits widen. Philip Hammond is campaigning
:11:02. > :11:05.for a sub Brexit. What I find astonishing is this own goal against
:11:06. > :11:10.the people that voted for them. -- soft Brexit. The self-employed
:11:11. > :11:15.people, not just the white van man but women. A lot of women, highly
:11:16. > :11:18.trained, highly educated women have started up little cottage industries
:11:19. > :11:22.because they can't combine looking after their children with going back
:11:23. > :11:27.to a full-time job. It hammers them as well. They are. The number of
:11:28. > :11:30.self-employed people is predicted to be bigger than in the public sector
:11:31. > :11:36.in the next few years. Let's crack on. We have a glossy iPad. I've been
:11:37. > :11:40.told not to throw this on the floor. A bit of a kerfuffle. Jeremy Corbyn
:11:41. > :11:45.said it would be fine for another vote to be held on Scottish
:11:46. > :11:48.independence. It has caused fury in the Scottish Labour Party. Scottish
:11:49. > :11:52.Labour Party are absolutely outraged about this. What else does he say?
:11:53. > :11:58.It's difficult to say. He could have perhaps fudged his words a bit more.
:11:59. > :12:04.If you have a situation where the Scottish Government are saying, with
:12:05. > :12:05.their own electoral mandate, they want an independence referendum and
:12:06. > :12:10.Westminster attempts to block it, that will be not seen as good. The
:12:11. > :12:13.Observer, this piece about the Scotland moving towards Brexit. The
:12:14. > :12:19.dynamics have changed in the aftermath of a referendum, that is
:12:20. > :12:22.the SNP's case. The point is, this article pointed out, the beginning
:12:23. > :12:28.of the last referendum campaign, support for the yes vote was 28% and
:12:29. > :12:32.by the end it was 45%. And now it is 50% according to the national
:12:33. > :12:37.newspaper which is pro-independence. Remember the world of the EU in the
:12:38. > :12:40.last Scottish referendum? Guarantee EU membership by staying. This
:12:41. > :12:46.government, we already had David Cameron remonstrated after making a
:12:47. > :12:51.calamitous decision on his own part. He lost the EU referendum. This
:12:52. > :12:54.government could oversee the end of the union. The Conservative and
:12:55. > :12:58.Unionist party. They keep kicking it into the long grass. Nicola Sturgeon
:12:59. > :13:03.keeps getting it right back again. Really interesting. Read headline at
:13:04. > :13:09.the top of this page, Labour in the wilderness. All the latest stories.
:13:10. > :13:15.Champagne Shami. Shami Chakrabarti as Diane Abbott meeting again. I am
:13:16. > :13:19.all in favour of people drinking champagne. Can I just point out,
:13:20. > :13:24.this is a very furtive photograph. You can tell it's been done like
:13:25. > :13:28.this by someone. They have no idea. Their champagne glasses are actually
:13:29. > :13:32.full. I wondering, maybe someone in the Conservative Party said, we
:13:33. > :13:36.would like to send over does my glasses of champagne for the ladies.
:13:37. > :13:40.Meanwhile, we will take a photo. It's quite naughty, photographing
:13:41. > :13:45.people in private restaurants. You can tell from the shading at the
:13:46. > :13:49.side. It's ridiculous. They are just going for a new! John Prescott
:13:50. > :13:54.meanwhile speaking out, forthrightly. I've rarely seen quite
:13:55. > :13:57.so many Asterix in a front headline. He was a great Jeremy Corbyn support
:13:58. > :14:00.for a while. And then there is the Scottish story at the end. He is
:14:01. > :14:05.like all of them. When they are not doing it any more, they get very
:14:06. > :14:12.vocal. You mentioned the Huffington Post and your iPad. You have been a
:14:13. > :14:17.big figure... Somebody's iPad. On social media use that I'm pulling
:14:18. > :14:21.back, it's become too nasty and joining of energy. I don't want to
:14:22. > :14:25.get out a violin, I'm absolutely fine but it's about priorities. The
:14:26. > :14:28.problem is, most people on the internet are absolutely fine. There
:14:29. > :14:32.is a very angry minority and you just end up thinking to yourself,
:14:33. > :14:38.rather than arguing with strangers who question your motives, send all
:14:39. > :14:43.sorts of bizarre abuse, maybe go out for a walk. Don't feed the monster.
:14:44. > :14:47.I think the problem is, with political debate generally in this
:14:48. > :14:51.country, it's generated. It has become a shouting match. Very
:14:52. > :14:57.polarising elections. -- it has degenerated.
:14:58. > :15:04.People communicate here in real life in a way that aren't on the
:15:05. > :15:10.Internet. Just to wrap this up, how do you deal with social media? Do
:15:11. > :15:14.you get abuse? I am a bit of a Luddite, I am on there because I
:15:15. > :15:19.feel I should be but people will die of boredom if they are following me
:15:20. > :15:22.because I just don't. I like to engage normally. Nobody has died
:15:23. > :15:24.with boredom during the review of these newspapers. Thank you for
:15:25. > :15:27.joining us. After the Northern Irish elections,
:15:28. > :15:29.Sinn Fein is riding high. For power sharing to work,
:15:30. > :15:32.they have to do a deal with the Democratic Unionists,
:15:33. > :15:34.but so far they're insisting that the DUP's leader Arlene Foster
:15:35. > :15:37.can't come back as First Minister. The current system of governance
:15:38. > :15:39.there is hanging by a thread. Sinn Fein's President Gerry Adams
:15:40. > :15:48.joins me from Belfast. Welcome, Mr Adams. Can I ask first
:15:49. > :15:52.of all, is the removal of Arlene Foster as First Minister next time
:15:53. > :15:57.round absolute red line for you? We're not saying she can't come
:15:58. > :16:04.back, you may know, Andrew, that the institutions collapsed on the back
:16:05. > :16:11.of a scandal on a renewable energy scheme in which it is alleged ?500
:16:12. > :16:14.million Sterling has been abused or wasted and there are allegations it
:16:15. > :16:19.was caused by corruption or fraud. We're not making the allegations,
:16:20. > :16:23.they come from within the DUP about the DUP, so we are saying that needs
:16:24. > :16:27.clearing up. Arlene Foster, in fairness, says she is not guilty and
:16:28. > :16:32.wants to be vindicated. So what we have said is that there needs to be
:16:33. > :16:38.an inquiry into all of this and pending the outcome of that inquiry,
:16:39. > :16:40.without prejudice to that outcome, that Arlene Foster should not be in
:16:41. > :16:46.the position of Deputy First Minister. But if she's cleared she
:16:47. > :16:49.could come back? Of course and we are dealing with Arlene Foster and
:16:50. > :16:57.Michelle O'Neill, and I have met with Arlene myself in the past week.
:16:58. > :17:05.The tipping point in the current crisis came because of this scandal
:17:06. > :17:10.but there was also difficulties with agreements which have been made not
:17:11. > :17:14.being honoured and Martin McGuinness for over ten years in that office
:17:15. > :17:17.has demonstrated how much Republicans want those institutions
:17:18. > :17:22.to work so we want him back in place. The Government in London on
:17:23. > :17:29.the back of Brexit and on the back of its own policy wants to dismantle
:17:30. > :17:34.lots of the human rights aspects of the Good Friday Agreement. Brexit
:17:35. > :17:38.will drive this part of Ireland out of the European Union, the people
:17:39. > :17:42.here voted to remain, the party is returned in the last election the
:17:43. > :17:46.vast majority of those are also forth Remain and Sinn Fein have been
:17:47. > :17:50.arguing for a special designated status for the North within the
:17:51. > :17:58.European Union to stop the return of a hard economic border. You have
:17:59. > :18:01.only got two weeks to have the negotiations with the DUP and
:18:02. > :18:04.British government and so forth. What happens if you haven't got an
:18:05. > :18:10.agreement after two weeks? Do you have another election? Well, we are
:18:11. > :18:15.being threatened with another election and I'm saying half
:18:16. > :18:20.jokingly that that is a sign of how much progress has been made, that we
:18:21. > :18:24.are being threatened by a British government with an election, we used
:18:25. > :18:29.to be threatened with internment. You are against it, are you? No, if
:18:30. > :18:37.there is another election we will contest that election. Of course in
:18:38. > :18:44.this election, nobody wanted it, but the position was totally untenable.
:18:45. > :18:47.What we need, this is what our focus is, and implementation process we
:18:48. > :18:53.are involved in, those agreements, the different elements of a deal,
:18:54. > :18:57.the human rights elements of it, the bill of rights, these different
:18:58. > :19:02.commitments which have been made but not kept need to be delivered on and
:19:03. > :19:06.if that happens then the institutions will go back in place
:19:07. > :19:11.and we will continue to do our best to work for the people. Mr Adams,
:19:12. > :19:16.you mentioned Brexit just now, we have a committee of MPs in the UK
:19:17. > :19:20.here saying that if Britain leaves without a deal the border goes
:19:21. > :19:24.straight back up between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.
:19:25. > :19:28.Do you think this is the moment when Ireland starts to look again at
:19:29. > :19:31.uniting? Yes, and Sinn Fein have always been looking for Ireland to
:19:32. > :19:38.be united but I consider the partition of this island to be
:19:39. > :19:41.totally illegitimate and immoral. In the Good Friday Agreement we agreed,
:19:42. > :19:45.and the Government in London obliged, when the majority of people
:19:46. > :19:50.here want to see an end to partition and want to see Irish unity than the
:19:51. > :19:54.government is obliged to legislate for that. We have argued a long time
:19:55. > :19:58.that that is what should happen. At the moment most people in Northern
:19:59. > :20:02.Ireland want to stay inside the UK, don't they? Yes and that is why we
:20:03. > :20:06.have a job of work to do to persuade them. Nobody should be threatened by
:20:07. > :20:11.this. Even without Brexit we have been badly served by the divisions
:20:12. > :20:15.on our small island with Brexit, as has been my firm conviction from the
:20:16. > :20:18.referendum result. With Brexit we are going to see a hard economic
:20:19. > :20:24.border, the frontier between the European state and British state is
:20:25. > :20:28.going to be on the end of Ireland and that is why we have argued for a
:20:29. > :20:31.special designated status for the north that doesn't impinge upon the
:20:32. > :20:35.constitutional position but does guarantee we will not have the type
:20:36. > :20:39.of misery that's going to be inflicted on our farming, on our
:20:40. > :20:43.dairy farmers, on our agri- food industry and on our enterprises. We
:20:44. > :20:46.will talk about that later with David Davis on the programme but for
:20:47. > :20:49.now, Gerry Adams, thank you for joining us.
:20:50. > :20:54.No complaints, and I don't often say that.
:20:55. > :20:59.Louise Lear is in the weather studio.
:21:00. > :21:09.You might be complaining this morning, a rather drab start, cloud,
:21:10. > :21:13.mist and rain, spinning up from the south from this weather front
:21:14. > :21:18.through the night and another hot on its heels but look at that window of
:21:19. > :21:22.sunshine I've found at the end of the tunnel in Flintshire, you are
:21:23. > :21:25.very lucky indeed and it will probably not last because we have
:21:26. > :21:29.two weather fronts continuing to dawdle further eastwards through the
:21:30. > :21:33.day. One will bring persistent rain across south-east England and
:21:34. > :21:37.eastern England. Next is weakening and showery outbreaks are likely.
:21:38. > :21:41.The difference between the two, there should be some between them,
:21:42. > :21:47.and in north-west Scotland and Northern Ireland are not as warm as
:21:48. > :21:52.today but not too bad. 10-14d is the high. Through the night we will lose
:21:53. > :21:56.the cloud and rain but with clearer skies temperatures fall away. We
:21:57. > :22:01.have seen a couple of really mild nights so this could be a shock to
:22:02. > :22:04.the system first thing on Monday morning, particularly in rural spots
:22:05. > :22:09.where temperatures are low enough for a touch of light frost. But
:22:10. > :22:13.Monday will be a better day, you will be happy with this, Andrew.
:22:14. > :22:17.More sunshine, dried for most of us and with sunshine this time of year
:22:18. > :22:21.temperatures start to respond, springlike feel with highs of 16
:22:22. > :22:25.degrees. There you go. Have a good Sunday.
:22:26. > :22:27.As we were discussing a little earlier, the cross party
:22:28. > :22:30.Foreign Affairs committee of MPs warns this morning that
:22:31. > :22:33.for the government to fail to plan for there being no deal at the end
:22:34. > :22:35.of the European negotiations would be, and I quote,
:22:36. > :22:40.The appropriately named committee chairman, Crispin Blunt, is here.
:22:41. > :22:47.Thank you for joining us. To be blunt about it, I will stop saying
:22:48. > :22:51.that! What is the essence of your problem? There is a possibility of
:22:52. > :22:55.no deal, you can try and put probabilities on it, our previous
:22:56. > :22:58.ambassador to the EU said it was more than 30% and the committee
:22:59. > :23:02.itself said it was probably more likely than not in the report we did
:23:03. > :23:05.in April before the referendum trying to look at Britain's role in
:23:06. > :23:09.the world would be after the referendum. This is a cross-party
:23:10. > :23:13.committee that has reported unanimously, it reflects the country
:23:14. > :23:18.in terms of Brexit and it is a narrow majority for Brexit on the
:23:19. > :23:21.committee. If there is going to be no deal that is going to have
:23:22. > :23:26.serious implications for businesses and individuals and the government
:23:27. > :23:30.needs to make sure we have planned for it. Let's talk about what the
:23:31. > :23:34.implications of no deal would be as far as your committee is concerned.
:23:35. > :23:39.British business first of all as what has been called a cliff edge,
:23:40. > :23:44.is that right? Yes and you have tariff and nontariff implications
:23:45. > :23:48.for trying to do trade with the European Union. Obviously these
:23:49. > :23:52.things are very complex. If people want to get into the detail, we have
:23:53. > :23:57.produced it in the report and we have put two appendices in the
:23:58. > :24:00.report, we commission advice from the bar council and also
:24:01. > :24:03.commissioned advice from leading professors in European law at
:24:04. > :24:08.Cambridge University. If people want to get into the detail and see the
:24:09. > :24:12.applications they are there. What about the status of EU nationals in
:24:13. > :24:15.this country and our people over there, as it were? That is one of
:24:16. > :24:22.the uncertainties that has been highlighted elsewhere, both on the
:24:23. > :24:25.floor of the House of Lords and in the House of Commons. There is
:24:26. > :24:29.detail about exactly how citizens would be affected depending on how
:24:30. > :24:33.long they have been in the UK, if they are European Union citizens.
:24:34. > :24:41.But, of course, there is the point about UK citizens in the EU. The
:24:42. > :24:47.Norwich clinic Northern Irish border as well. There was a cabinet meeting
:24:48. > :24:54.recently whether discussed little else if there wasn't a deal. The
:24:55. > :24:58.Mail on Sunday with their headline about dereliction of duty said that
:24:59. > :25:08.as Wahab would happen if they did not plan properly for this. -- what
:25:09. > :25:12.would happen. This planning appears to be starting, and of course the
:25:13. > :25:16.applications of no deal will inform the negotiating position completely.
:25:17. > :25:19.One would anticipate this happening internally and it now seems it is
:25:20. > :25:26.happening, and if our report and the headlines today put a bit of behind
:25:27. > :25:31.the planning that is a good thing. Do you think people should see what
:25:32. > :25:34.the plans are? Yes and that's one of the reasons we have got into this
:25:35. > :25:38.space, as parliamentarians we think we have a responsibility to help
:25:39. > :25:42.businesses and individuals prepare for the consequences of a probable
:25:43. > :25:46.outcome, or a possible outcome, which is that there is no deal at
:25:47. > :25:49.the end of two years. What is the effect of that on the negotiating
:25:50. > :25:55.position of the government? My view is it strengthens because you could
:25:56. > :26:00.cope with no deal and if you look at the implications on both sides, in
:26:01. > :26:04.absolute terms it's my view that the impact on the 27 is greater in a
:26:05. > :26:08.negative sense in absolute terms than it is on the UK because that is
:26:09. > :26:11.where the balance of trade sets and where the money flows sit at the
:26:12. > :26:18.minute and it is where most people are. But, of course, the expression
:26:19. > :26:21.we have used, it is mutually assured damage on both sides. Strong
:26:22. > :26:25.language. Do you think MPs should have a vote anywhere if there isn't
:26:26. > :26:30.a deal? I understand we will get about. Even if there isn't a deal?
:26:31. > :26:34.If there isn't a deal there is no deal so in that sense there is
:26:35. > :26:37.nothing to vote on. It sounds to me as if you disagree with the Prime
:26:38. > :26:42.Minister when she said no deal is better than a bad deal. No, in the
:26:43. > :26:44.report we made clear there are circumstances where you can
:26:45. > :26:49.logically envisage that no deal would be better than a bad deal, for
:26:50. > :26:54.example if you get a huge upfront bill to pay for the divorce and then
:26:55. > :26:57.there is no route to a future free trade agreement that would look like
:26:58. > :27:02.a pretty bad deal for the UK and would be worse than no deal, because
:27:03. > :27:06.the implication of there being no route to a free-trade deal is you
:27:07. > :27:10.are dealing with us anyway, if there is no agreement at the end of the
:27:11. > :27:11.negotiation. Much to pick up with David Davis later but for now, thank
:27:12. > :27:13.you very much indeed. Thandie Newton has portrayed
:27:14. > :27:19.many strong women, from Mission Impossible
:27:20. > :27:22.to Crash to Westworld. She's about to go interstellar
:27:23. > :27:26.in the new Star Wars film, but first up is Line
:27:27. > :27:29.of Duty on BBC One. Newton plays a senior cop who comes
:27:30. > :27:31.under suspicion of framing I've seen a preview and it really
:27:32. > :27:35.is another fine piece I met up with Thandie Newton
:27:36. > :27:39.recently to talk crooked coppers, Everything we've put
:27:40. > :27:42.out to the public has difficult upbringings
:27:43. > :27:44.at my insistence. Prostitution is not a factor
:27:45. > :27:47.in these cases, the victims No-one at this station calls
:27:48. > :27:50.those girls prostitutes. Anna Reznikova works
:27:51. > :27:57.two jobs, all hours. Yes, ma'am, still, my gaffer's
:27:58. > :28:03.asked me to rule out any connection. She's a senior
:28:04. > :28:08.investigating officer. Investigating a chain of crimes that
:28:09. > :28:15.seem to be connected. And it's a case that's been
:28:16. > :28:18.going on for a year and she needs to crack her case for her integrity
:28:19. > :28:21.as a police ... To please her peers and,
:28:22. > :28:25.you know, her boss. So, there's a lot of
:28:26. > :28:27.pressure on this person. It's a difficult character
:28:28. > :28:35.to play in this sense, that she is veiled
:28:36. > :28:38.a little bit of the time. You're not quite sure
:28:39. > :28:40.which side she's on... ..You have to play
:28:41. > :28:43.the character in a mask... But that's what people in this
:28:44. > :28:53.position, in this career, too. But that's what people in this
:28:54. > :28:55.position, in this career do. I say, single-handedly,
:28:56. > :28:57.the person that influenced my performance is Jed Mercurio
:28:58. > :28:59.because he is a mastermind, He'll only give the bare facts
:29:00. > :29:04.but so much is happening. He allows the audience
:29:05. > :29:05.to participate by If you look at a similar procedural
:29:06. > :29:10.drama on television in America, there's a lot of emotion,
:29:11. > :29:12.there's a lot of I'm not corrupt, sir,
:29:13. > :29:18.nor are my team. Evidence met the threshold test,
:29:19. > :29:24.met and surpassed it. I stuck with you on this because
:29:25. > :29:28.you're better than your record. All those years out
:29:29. > :29:33.being a full-time mum. Some would worry that
:29:34. > :29:36.had cost you your edge. But I have the advantage of knowing,
:29:37. > :29:38.first-hand, how good you are. One of the really interesting things
:29:39. > :29:45.about this is the background There's a moment when your character
:29:46. > :29:51.is told she is being given a promotion, despite the fact she's
:29:52. > :29:54.taken off time to have children And also the surrounding pressure
:29:55. > :29:59.from the world of social media. Twitter appears as a kind
:30:00. > :30:03.of problem for the police. Did you have a lot of sympathy
:30:04. > :30:05.for the way, particularly, female police officers now
:30:06. > :30:07.have to operate? Well, I had sympathy but I also felt
:30:08. > :30:10.that it was reflecting It's just, you have to make
:30:11. > :30:17.a decision about, do you let this crush you or do you force
:30:18. > :30:20.yourself through it? I think one of the reasons why women
:30:21. > :30:23.in positions of authority are as powerful and have,
:30:24. > :30:27.you know, unsurpassed excellence is because they've had
:30:28. > :30:33.to push through that, The ceiling?
:30:34. > :30:37.They've had to push through that and shatter that glass ceiling.
:30:38. > :30:40.And, of course, we have Cressida Dick now going to become
:30:41. > :30:42.Oh, my goodness, I know! Absolutely...
:30:43. > :30:47.I saw that and I thought, my God, this is like art reflecting life.
:30:48. > :30:50.But I think that's what gives us the edge.
:30:51. > :30:52.Let's talk about Westworld because it was criticised
:30:53. > :30:54.right at the beginning for the objectification of women.
:30:55. > :30:56.For rape, for violence against women.
:30:57. > :30:58.Your character starts off as a cyborg bordello madam,
:30:59. > :31:03.That's exactly what the show runners wanted.
:31:04. > :31:06.They wanted that sense of outrage, "it's disgusting".
:31:07. > :31:09.And we needed to push it to the absolute brink of believability.
:31:10. > :31:11.Because we then needed to subvert it.
:31:12. > :31:21.Not cynical, no, I don't think it was cynical because I think
:31:22. > :31:23.that is what the world is actually like.
:31:24. > :31:24.People are just addicted to everything.
:31:25. > :31:27.Addicted to shoes, addicted to sex, addicted to alcohol, PlayStation.
:31:28. > :31:29.We're addicted to all these things because we don't
:31:30. > :31:35.We don't want to feel the pain of being a human being.
:31:36. > :31:40.I savoured every word, particularly one speech about,
:31:41. > :31:44."at first I thought you were gods, but then I realised you're
:31:45. > :31:51.I've died a thousand times, I'm great at it, how many
:31:52. > :31:57.You're going to be the face of the new Star Wars.
:31:58. > :32:00.You're going to go global and mega in a completely new way.
:32:01. > :32:03.Do you think, do you reflect, now, that with Star Wars,
:32:04. > :32:05.your life is going to become completely different?
:32:06. > :32:07.It's become completely different with Westworld.
:32:08. > :32:09.I can't imagine it getting more difficult than that, really.
:32:10. > :32:12.And the other thing is that, you know, I've been
:32:13. > :32:17.We've got three kids, there's no drama there.
:32:18. > :32:24.2012 was massive. Crash was enormous.
:32:25. > :32:26.All these... Mission Impossible!
:32:27. > :32:29.Yes, it blows up for a minute and then it just calms down.
:32:30. > :32:34.Thandie Newton, lovely talking to you, thank you so much.
:32:35. > :32:37.It's lovely talking to you, Andrew, all the best.
:32:38. > :32:41.Rebecca Long-Bailey is being tipped by the Corbyn camp
:32:42. > :32:42.as the next generation of Labour's socialist leadership.
:32:43. > :32:45.As Shadow Business Secretary she's at the heart of
:32:46. > :33:01.Welcome. Can I ask, first of all come about this row in Scotland? Do
:33:02. > :33:04.you think it would be fine to have a certain Scottish referendum? Jeremy
:33:05. > :33:08.Corbyn made it clear that if Scottish Parliament and people
:33:09. > :33:11.wanted a second referendum it would -- we would advise Westminster not
:33:12. > :33:15.to block that because it is the democratic will of the people. But
:33:16. > :33:21.we would vigorously oppose the exit of Scotland from Britain. If it was
:33:22. > :33:24.up to you, you wouldn't as a party want a second Scottish referendum?
:33:25. > :33:27.Not in principle but we wouldn't go against the will of the people. It
:33:28. > :33:31.is a democratic decision they would make and we would uphold that. This
:33:32. > :33:35.has absolutely infuriated your colleagues in the Scottish Labour
:33:36. > :33:39.Party. Ian Murray, you're only MP in Scotland says, I am often asked why
:33:40. > :33:44.I resigned from the Scottish Shadow Cabinet. Ladies and on demand I give
:33:45. > :33:49.you Jeremy Corbyn, he is destroying the party that so many people need.
:33:50. > :33:52.I don't think there's any ambiguity. The leader of Scottish Labour said
:33:53. > :33:55.July in last year that it would be wrong for Westminster to block a
:33:56. > :33:58.decision if it was done in a democratic way and the Scottish
:33:59. > :34:04.Parliament had put it forward. Let's turn to the big row at the moment,
:34:05. > :34:08.national insurance contributions. The Conservative Party apparently
:34:09. > :34:11.breaking a manifesto pledge. You were in charge of the opposition at
:34:12. > :34:15.the time they put the legislation through and it seems you didn't spot
:34:16. > :34:18.they had withdrawn the self-employed... To say the
:34:19. > :34:22.Chancellor has been economical with the truth is an understatement! The
:34:23. > :34:27.national insurance ceiling rates bill, that is class one insurance
:34:28. > :34:30.contributions only. There was no inference in that bill at all that
:34:31. > :34:35.there was going to be any changes. We put that to David Cork and we
:34:36. > :34:37.asked him if there were any further proposals to change national
:34:38. > :34:41.insurance contributions and he stated he had no further proposals
:34:42. > :34:45.to make any changes at this time. The government was perfectly clear.
:34:46. > :34:48.That was one is all part of our manifesto commitment. You didn't say
:34:49. > :34:51.at the time the government has answered its manifesto obligations
:34:52. > :34:57.and you didn't put any amendments. We said it dealt with one small part
:34:58. > :35:03.of their manifesto obligations. We were perfectly clear on that point.
:35:04. > :35:06.Now are, presumably these are self-employed entrepreneurial
:35:07. > :35:09.people, do you want to reverse this change or not? We need to look at
:35:10. > :35:15.the way self-employed people are treated as a whole. The reason they
:35:16. > :35:18.have lower national insurance... Let me answer. The reasons they have
:35:19. > :35:21.lower national insurance contributions is because they don't
:35:22. > :35:24.have access to maternity pay, holiday pay and other benefits
:35:25. > :35:29.employed people enjoy. The government needs to look at the
:35:30. > :35:33.whole package and put forward a set of fundamental reforms to support
:35:34. > :35:36.self-employed people. And deal with the issue of bogus self-employment
:35:37. > :35:40.where people are being exploited. It sounds like you wouldn't reverse
:35:41. > :35:43.what the government has just done? As I said, if the government had put
:35:44. > :35:46.forward a package when it announced this proposal and have provided the
:35:47. > :35:51.support that we have been asking for we might have supported them but
:35:52. > :35:53.they haven't. They completely attacked low and middle income
:35:54. > :35:57.earners, they breached their manifesto pledge and as a Federation
:35:58. > :35:59.of Small Businesses state, this is completely undermining their
:36:00. > :36:04.supposed abstract it to support UK businesses. It doesn't do that. --
:36:05. > :36:07.supposed strategy to support. I talked to John McDonnell last week
:36:08. > :36:12.about your own spending pledges and we doubted them up. Here they are.
:36:13. > :36:26.Is that, broadly speaking, accurate and right? Broadly but these are
:36:27. > :36:32.based on forecasts. The position would change, should we get into
:36:33. > :36:36.government in 2020. The cost is based on Redbook numbers, official
:36:37. > :36:40.numbers or Labour's official costing. ?60 billion of extra
:36:41. > :36:45.spending. He also said your fiscal credibility rule means you won't
:36:46. > :36:48.borrow to do any of this. Where does the money come from? We certainly
:36:49. > :36:52.wouldn't have made the decision of this government has, for example
:36:53. > :36:56.slashing taxes for the most wealthy and society, in territories tax,
:36:57. > :37:01.capital gains tax on the bank levy, corporations tax. -- inheritance
:37:02. > :37:03.tax. Corporation tax, how much do you raise from reversing
:37:04. > :37:07.corporations tax? We asked the House of Commons to do some research in
:37:08. > :37:11.terms of the money that we would gain back if we reversed all of
:37:12. > :37:16.those tax breaks. I want to go through them one by one. 70 billion
:37:17. > :37:22.towns in total by 2020. I don't think it is. -- 70 billion towns. We
:37:23. > :37:24.have done the research. On the details. The House of Commons
:37:25. > :37:29.carried out independent research on this very point based on Adobe
:37:30. > :37:34.forecasts. -- ?70 billion. How much would you get from reversing the
:37:35. > :37:39.corporation tax changes? The package as a whole is 70 billion, all based
:37:40. > :37:42.on forecasts. In terms of other potential changes that we've asked,
:37:43. > :37:46.we preferred in the budget do business rates. We asked the
:37:47. > :37:53.government to make changes to the business rates scheme to support
:37:54. > :37:55.businesses. Let the answer to the question is ?17.7 billion. You are
:37:56. > :38:03.still about 40 odd billion away from your target. 70 billion in total
:38:04. > :38:06.referring to those four tax breaks, by 2020. I don't think you get 70
:38:07. > :38:12.billion. We will go through those four tax breaks in specific terms.
:38:13. > :38:16.17.7 billion from corporation tax, how much do you get from raising the
:38:17. > :38:23.inheritance tax threshold? 70 billion by 2000 and 20. That is a
:38:24. > :38:29.meaningless overall figure. -- by 2020. The a total of total of all of
:38:30. > :38:33.those tax cuts is 70 billion by 20 20. It's not. It is independent
:38:34. > :38:36.research by the House of Commons library. Corporation tax cuts
:38:37. > :38:42.according to the budget gets you 17 billion. Rating inheritance tax 2.8
:38:43. > :38:46.billion, capital gains tax just under 3 billion, according to the
:38:47. > :38:50.budget and proceeds from the bank levy are forecast to only be 4
:38:51. > :38:59.billion. These are all official figures. It is ?30 billion, not 60.
:39:00. > :39:01.You are still ?30 billion short. If you are talking about credibility,
:39:02. > :39:07.if fiscal credibility really matters to you, where does that money come
:39:08. > :39:14.from? Inheritance tax, corporation tax, cuts to the bank levy. ?70
:39:15. > :39:18.billion by 2020. I don't want to hammer this but we have carried out
:39:19. > :39:22.independent research in the House of Commons library that totals it took
:39:23. > :39:26.70 billion. You can give everybody watching a full breakdown of how you
:39:27. > :39:31.get to ?70 billion in detail? We can indeed. Can you do that later on
:39:32. > :39:35.today as a party? I will speak to John McDonnell if he is available!
:39:36. > :39:38.One of the ways you could deal with this big problem is that you could
:39:39. > :39:43.do what he has talked about in the past, a wealth tax on the top 10% of
:39:44. > :39:47.people in this country. Is that a prospect in the Labour Party could
:39:48. > :39:49.go for? We need to look at the way the economy works as a whole and
:39:50. > :39:53.taxation is one point the government needs to look at in terms of
:39:54. > :39:56.generating tax receipts. But the economic model in total. It needs to
:39:57. > :39:59.invest in business and ensure that they have the tools to succeed in a
:40:00. > :40:04.fertile business environment so that they can boost wages for their
:40:05. > :40:07.employees and deliver a high paid, high skilled environment where tax
:40:08. > :40:13.receipts are increased. They are certainly not doing that. We didn't
:40:14. > :40:15.see that from this week 's budget. The government did not go far on the
:40:16. > :40:18.business rates issue like we would like. They hammered the lower income
:40:19. > :40:22.middle earners on national insurance. What if the proper rate
:40:23. > :40:25.of corporation tax under Labour? We would reverse the cuts the
:40:26. > :40:29.government has made on corporation tax but we can't look at corporation
:40:30. > :40:32.tax as a stand-alone issue. Philip Hammond stated if we don't get a
:40:33. > :40:35.deal from Brexit we would slash corporation tax but that alone is
:40:36. > :40:40.not enough to make us competitive, we need investment in skills,
:40:41. > :40:45.investment in infrastructure, research and development. We saw
:40:46. > :40:48.very little of that in this week 's budget. The government is not
:40:49. > :40:50.setting us up for the future, no mention of industrial strategy in
:40:51. > :40:53.this weeks budget strategy at all. One final question on the future,
:40:54. > :40:58.the Brexit bill comes back to the House of Lords within a couple of
:40:59. > :41:01.days. Are the Labour MP is going to roll over or will they carry on
:41:02. > :41:04.their opposition to the Brexit billion tonnes of the amendments
:41:05. > :41:07.they will support? The two key amendments that have been put
:41:08. > :41:10.forward from the House of Lords is protection of the EU citizens in the
:41:11. > :41:16.UK and we fully support that. Would Labour MPs stick with that in the
:41:17. > :41:19.House of Lords no matter what happens in the Commons? It is
:41:20. > :41:22.important and it is one of our red lines. We need to protect EU
:41:23. > :41:24.citizens in this country. Not just morally but economically. Businesses
:41:25. > :41:27.up and down the country have stated they can't see their EU citizens
:41:28. > :41:33.leaving, it will have a damaging effect on the economy. And an issue
:41:34. > :41:36.of a meaningful vote, we want to discuss the package the government
:41:37. > :41:40.finally seeks to obtain from Europe. And urged Labour MPs to stick with
:41:41. > :41:45.with they've done and demanding meaningful vote when it comes to the
:41:46. > :41:47.House of Lords? -- stick with a meaningful vote. We do need it.
:41:48. > :41:48.Thank you for talking to us. Later this morning,
:41:49. > :41:51.Andrew Neil will be talking about the Brexit bill with
:41:52. > :41:54.Ukip's Nigel Farage, the Tory rebel Anna Soubry, and he'll be talking
:41:55. > :41:57.to the Trump critic and former MP That's the Sunday Politics
:41:58. > :42:00.at 11am, here on BBC One. Well, as we've been hearing,
:42:01. > :42:02.an important Commons committee is attacking
:42:03. > :42:05.the Brexit Secretary David Davis. To go into the EU talks
:42:06. > :42:10.without a proper plan for no deal would be a "dereliction of duty
:42:11. > :42:20.and grossly negligent". Grossly negligent? Good morning,
:42:21. > :42:25.this is like Brexit Central this morning. It is. The simple truth is,
:42:26. > :42:30.we have been planning for the contingency, the various outcomes,
:42:31. > :42:34.the possible outcomes of the negotiation. Including a proper plan
:42:35. > :42:37.for no deal? Indeed. About two or three weeks ago, I can't remember,
:42:38. > :42:41.it was briefed out that I had spent most of the Cabinet meeting talking
:42:42. > :42:45.to the cabinet about the importance of making sure the contingency plans
:42:46. > :42:49.were on line as well as the other plans. Do you have part of your
:42:50. > :42:53.team, as it were, round the back of the building thinking if it doesn't
:42:54. > :42:57.work, this is what will happen? Not just my team but the whole of
:42:58. > :43:00.Whitehall. It every single department. Understand, it's the
:43:01. > :43:05.contingency plan. The aim is to get a good outcome and we are confident,
:43:06. > :43:08.I'm confident. One of the reasons we don't talk about contingency plans
:43:09. > :43:11.is because we don't want people to think this is what we are trying to
:43:12. > :43:17.do. That is there because we need to have it there. Firstly, as Crispin
:43:18. > :43:22.intimated earlier, the Chairman of the select committee, if it happens
:43:23. > :43:27.we need to be ready to make sure that we are in a good position to
:43:28. > :43:30.deal with that. If we get the main outcome, it is quite helpful in the
:43:31. > :43:34.negotiation and in the planning for that. For them to know that we are
:43:35. > :43:38.planning? For us to know and be confident that we don't face, as you
:43:39. > :43:42.say, a cliff edge. In terms of the consequences of not getting a deal,
:43:43. > :43:45.the committee was very strong in its language and said "It is clear from
:43:46. > :43:49.our evidence that a complete breakdown in negotiations represent
:43:50. > :43:55.a very destructive outcome leading to mutually assured damage for the
:43:56. > :44:00.EU and the UK". Are they right? I don't think that is remotely likely,
:44:01. > :44:07.to be frank with you. Since the referendum, the whole government,
:44:08. > :44:09.the Foreign Office, my department, the Prime Minister's department,
:44:10. > :44:14.have been engaged with every country in Europe and institutions. The
:44:15. > :44:18.feedback we get... It will be tough, let's make no bones. There will be
:44:19. > :44:22.tough points in this negotiation but it is in absolutely everybody's
:44:23. > :44:27.interest that we get a good outcome. Hours and theirs. The reverse of
:44:28. > :44:31.what the committee was saying. It is in Spain's interest, Estonia's,
:44:32. > :44:35.France's Italy's interest. Everybody had an interest in a good outcome.
:44:36. > :44:42.What is your message to MPs tomorrow? Who better to understand,
:44:43. > :44:47.bluntly, than the importance of Parliamentary catalytic? I spent a
:44:48. > :44:51.decade of my life doing nothing but. I have said, since the beginning of
:44:52. > :44:57.this exercise, it's inconceivable to me that there wouldn't be a vote on
:44:58. > :45:01.the outcome. Wait a minute. But the simple truth, what I don't want to
:45:02. > :45:06.do, is take a simple bill, which is designed to do nothing more than put
:45:07. > :45:10.the result of the referendum into law. As the Supreme Court told us to
:45:11. > :45:16.do. We waited for the Supreme Court to give us the detailed guidance on
:45:17. > :45:20.that. We will do that. Please don't tie the pro-Minister's hands in the
:45:21. > :45:23.process of doing that for things which we expect to obtain any way --
:45:24. > :45:28.Prime Minister's hands. Let me ask you about that vote. If you don't
:45:29. > :45:29.get a deal, will be comments have a meaningful vote about what happens
:45:30. > :45:41.next? -- will the Commons. We have the vote on Article 50 going
:45:42. > :45:46.through and then we have the Great Repeal Bill, all of the aspects of
:45:47. > :45:49.European law coming into UK law, a huge bill, then we have primary
:45:50. > :45:55.legislation and secondary legislation and then we have a vote
:45:56. > :45:59.at the end. What MPs say to me is what we really want is a meaningful
:46:00. > :46:04.vote which means that we have the ability to send David Davis and
:46:05. > :46:09.Theresa May back to the negotiating table if we don't like the outcome.
:46:10. > :46:13.Firstly, there is limited time on this, we didn't choose the
:46:14. > :46:21.timetable, it is a time limit on Article 50 so there is a limit. What
:46:22. > :46:25.we can't have is either house of Parliament reversing the decision of
:46:26. > :46:31.the British people. They haven't got a veto. What does it mean otherwise?
:46:32. > :46:35.People talk about a meaningful vote. I'm quite sure there will be votes
:46:36. > :46:39.to this process, there will be a vote on the deal we strike, it will
:46:40. > :46:42.be a meaningful vote in the sense of accepting it or not like any other
:46:43. > :46:48.international treaty. What happens if they don't accept it? That is
:46:49. > :46:51.what is called most-favoured-nation status with the World Trade
:46:52. > :46:56.Organisation. We go out on WTO rules. That is why we do the
:46:57. > :47:00.planning to make sure that is not harmful. But this is a reality, the
:47:01. > :47:05.decision has been made, the British people decided on June 23 last year
:47:06. > :47:08.to leave the European Union. That is going to happen. My job and the job
:47:09. > :47:12.of the government is to make the terms on which that happens as
:47:13. > :47:15.beneficial as possible. And remember, we keep talking about all
:47:16. > :47:25.of the negative sort of stuff, protecting this and protecting that,
:47:26. > :47:27.as well as protecting our European markets we are also going to be
:47:28. > :47:30.freed up to access all those other high-growth markets in the rest of
:47:31. > :47:34.the world, markets which we are uniquely equipped to make the best
:47:35. > :47:37.off because of our history, language etc. Let's assume just for the sake
:47:38. > :47:40.of argument you win the vote in the House of Commons tomorrow, the bill
:47:41. > :47:43.goes back to the House of Lords and they don't cause any more trouble.
:47:44. > :47:51.At that point is that when Article 50 can be triggered? In theory it's
:47:52. > :47:53.the point at which you have royal assent, at which point the Queen
:47:54. > :47:58.gives her approval and the built goes into law and becomes an act of
:47:59. > :48:05.Parliament. When it will be, people have been predicting the sixth, the
:48:06. > :48:08.ninth, the 15th. I want to pick the right day, each date has different
:48:09. > :48:12.locations in terms of when it can be responded to by the council and so
:48:13. > :48:16.on. I will not go into the details of why but there is politics in
:48:17. > :48:19.terms of success. There are elections and all that kind of thing
:48:20. > :48:26.and I understand that. Very soon we are going to trigger Article 50. My
:48:27. > :48:30.question is, what happens then? What happens then is very straightforward
:48:31. > :48:32.in formal terms, whether it is straightforward in negotiating terms
:48:33. > :48:41.is another matter. The letter goes to the Council and the Council must
:48:42. > :48:45.decide on a guideline and tell the commission had to carry out the
:48:46. > :48:49.negotiation. That would require a meeting of the council which will
:48:50. > :48:53.probably take a month. We now officially but probably a month
:48:54. > :48:59.depending on how they address it, and then they hand that guideline
:49:00. > :49:04.back to Jean-Claude Juncker who tells Michael Spanier how to run his
:49:05. > :49:09.negotiation and then we start -- Michel Barnier. The first
:49:10. > :49:13.negotiation will be how many meetings, will meet, and will come,
:49:14. > :49:20.specialists, etc. Where will it happen? Will it be here or Brussels?
:49:21. > :49:23.I suspect mostly Brussels but it won't just be Brussels. We have
:49:24. > :49:27.massively strong bilateral relationships with all of our other
:49:28. > :49:31.colleagues. This is an important question. Who are you really
:49:32. > :49:36.negotiating with? Is it Brussels Central as they think, or is it
:49:37. > :49:40.leaders around the EU? Does Angela Merkel get involved, or is it to you
:49:41. > :49:45.and Michel Barnier and you until you agree? It's both. The formal
:49:46. > :49:50.negotiation will be between the United Kingdom government and the
:49:51. > :49:56.Commission on behalf of the 27 member states, on behalf of the
:49:57. > :50:00.Council representing the 27 member states. But at certain points along
:50:01. > :50:07.the way they could be points of tension, let's imagine we disagree
:50:08. > :50:13.on a point and the Council says let's take a decision. A really
:50:14. > :50:17.important question, I've talked to people on the other side, and they
:50:18. > :50:21.save Britain can get friction free access to the Single Market and what
:50:22. > :50:25.they want but they will be a heavy financial price to pay. Dufner
:50:26. > :50:28.discussions about the so-called divorce Bill, the money, does that
:50:29. > :50:33.go in parallel with the other discussions or do you have to deal
:50:34. > :50:36.with the first? Firstly our argument is plain, we think these things have
:50:37. > :50:40.to be done in parallel and you can only make a judgment that way. The
:50:41. > :50:43.European Commission has favoured phrase which is nothing is agreed
:50:44. > :50:48.until everything is agreed and on this occasion I rather agree with
:50:49. > :50:52.them. So you want to run everything in parallel? There may be an
:50:53. > :50:57.argument for that but let's see how it turns out. They say they want to
:50:58. > :51:00.see how much British money they will get before they see how generous
:51:01. > :51:03.they will be another thing is. As the Chancellor said you last week
:51:04. > :51:06.and as the Prime Minister said during the course of the week, the
:51:07. > :51:17.days of giving huge sums of money are passed. What is huge? I am not
:51:18. > :51:21.going to negotiate on there. But on this point, if I'm may very quickly,
:51:22. > :51:24.because it's being suggested by Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and
:51:25. > :51:27.others, there is a story in the Sunday Times today, that we might be
:51:28. > :51:33.getting money back from them rather than giving money to them. And that
:51:34. > :51:36.the actual bill might be negative as far as we're concerned. As they
:51:37. > :51:41.might say on a football programme this is a negotiation of two halves.
:51:42. > :51:46.We are not engaged yet, we haven't had a formal proposal from them yet.
:51:47. > :51:53.The thing to is that there is one thing which we know, the same from
:51:54. > :51:58.the member states and the commission, and that's the issue of
:51:59. > :52:01.the rights of citizens, European citizens here and UK citizens
:52:02. > :52:06.abroad. That is right up front, that is the first thing. That is the
:52:07. > :52:09.first thing you will deal with. And will we the result before the entire
:52:10. > :52:15.thing is concluded in two years' time? It may may not require a
:52:16. > :52:26.treaty but principle will be negotiated. I'm bluntly aware of
:52:27. > :52:30.where the negotiation will end. Virtually everyone I have been to
:52:31. > :52:35.see has raised that as a first issue and they all understand something,
:52:36. > :52:39.by the way, this has context. I understand why people are concerned
:52:40. > :52:42.and I think there is a moral responsibility towards citizens too
:52:43. > :52:45.but everybody understands that this is an issue that has got to be
:52:46. > :52:55.resolved together. Brits and Europeans together. The Polish Prime
:52:56. > :52:59.Minister when here said we must work together. In your best judgment of
:53:00. > :53:05.what is the day when we leave the European Union? March 2019, that is
:53:06. > :53:08.not to say there will not be some transition or implementation phase.
:53:09. > :53:14.In terms of people looking at Dai Rees, March 2019 is the date? Yes.
:53:15. > :53:18.Let me turn to the Northern Ireland question, they are worried about the
:53:19. > :53:22.return of the border and if we don't get a deal what is your message? We
:53:23. > :53:29.have put that pretty much as our top priority. The first visit I made was
:53:30. > :53:35.to Belfast to talk about this. We have looked very closely, and one of
:53:36. > :53:41.the contingency plans, or one of the plans being put together, is how on
:53:42. > :53:44.earth we create an invisible frictionless border between North
:53:45. > :53:49.and South, between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. We have
:53:50. > :53:53.talked to the Irish government about it. The first foreign trip I made
:53:54. > :53:56.was to Dublin. They are on-site. We are determined to do it. The
:53:57. > :54:00.commission are on-site. The commission had a part to play in the
:54:01. > :54:05.peace process. Indeed Michel Barnier had a in the peace process. They are
:54:06. > :54:11.determined in their mind that this will not go wrong. That the
:54:12. > :54:15.combination of determination that exists here. When you were sitting
:54:16. > :54:20.in Cabinet on Wednesday did the Chancellor warned you he was about
:54:21. > :54:31.to break an election pledge? He told us the package he had put in front.
:54:32. > :54:37.Did you spot it? I will not go into detail on Cabinet issues, that would
:54:38. > :54:41.be a breach of my oath. There was no hiding of anything. Everybody knew
:54:42. > :54:50.what we were talking about. Sorry, did everybody know you were breaking
:54:51. > :54:56.an election pledge? I will not speak for everybody. I want to know if you
:54:57. > :54:59.knew he was breaking an election pledge. People say my job is the
:55:00. > :55:03.most difficult in government, I think the Chancellor's is the most
:55:04. > :55:08.difficult. Why? Because he's having to deal with the overhang of debt
:55:09. > :55:14.from 2008, Gordon Brown's mess. Understand this, what he has
:55:15. > :55:20.proposed is fair in terms of the less well off. It breaks an election
:55:21. > :55:26.pledge. Yes... You said yes, you have agreed. You are trying to trip
:55:27. > :55:31.me up. Pays for social welfare, National Health Service, all of
:55:32. > :55:36.those things everybody wants to do. Almost out of time. Are we going to
:55:37. > :55:38.see by-elections as a result of Conservative election fraud,
:55:39. > :55:40.alleged? I know nothing about that at all but I don't think so. Thank
:55:41. > :55:42.you, David Davis. Now a look at what's coming up
:55:43. > :55:51.straight after this programme. Joiners from Canterbury from 10am
:55:52. > :55:55.when we are asking whether the brightest children do better in
:55:56. > :55:59.grammar schools. And then the ethics of drones, military and domestic.
:56:00. > :56:02.And other side of the famous cathedral, the mother church of
:56:03. > :56:04.Anglicans, is it time to cut the Church of England's assets to size?
:56:05. > :56:07.We will see you at 10am. Thanks, as ever, to all my guests,
:56:08. > :56:11.because we're almost out of time. A decent show coming
:56:12. > :56:13.next week, I think, But for now, performing Highs Lows
:56:14. > :56:17.from her album Long Live The Angels, # Just pack your bags
:56:18. > :56:43.and run as fast as we can # We hold the future
:56:44. > :56:46.in the palm of our hands # I know you hear me,
:56:47. > :56:51.but do you understand # I'm giving you forever,
:56:52. > :57:10.baby, it's yours # And we run out of all
:57:11. > :57:28.the silver and gold # Will you still wanna
:57:29. > :57:30.be my someone to hold # See, I would tell
:57:31. > :57:36.you but you already know # It's banging in my heart
:57:37. > :58:00.like thunder # I'm giving you forever,
:58:01. > :58:30.baby, it's yours You can still see her -
:58:31. > :59:19.but it has to be supervised. You thought it was YOU
:59:20. > :59:22.I was afraid of.