:00:07. > :00:13.Jeremy Corbyn was the rank outsider when he stood as Labour leader.
:00:14. > :00:15.He smashed all expectations, he survived a coup
:00:16. > :00:17.and he was massively re-endorsed by his own party shortly afterwards.
:00:18. > :00:19.Roundly mocked by the media establishment,
:00:20. > :00:22.it's worth remembering that no proper socialist
:00:23. > :00:44.has ever been as close to Number 10 as Mr Corbyn is this morning.
:00:45. > :00:47.So for the moment, forget the polls, let's have no foregone conclusions.
:00:48. > :00:50.Today, Jeremy Corbyn tells us what kind of Prime Minister he would be.
:00:51. > :00:57.Another party leader, Paul Nutall, joins me to explain why he'll go
:00:58. > :01:08.into this election promising to ban the burka.
:01:09. > :01:13.And I'll be talking to Leanne Wood, Plaid Cymru's leader as well.
:01:14. > :01:16.And I've been chewing the fat with one of the surviving legends
:01:17. > :01:24.of the great age of British rock - Sir Ray Davies of The Kinks.
:01:25. > :01:32.# Riding high on inspiration # Taken from those Wild West here
:01:33. > :01:33.rows # Full of expectations of the road.
:01:34. > :01:35.# And reviewing the papers today
:01:36. > :01:37.as a nail-biting election kicks off across the channel,
:01:38. > :01:40.Benedicte Paviot of France 24. And two old hands -
:01:41. > :01:42.Kevin Maguire of the Daily Mirror and Sarah Sands the outgoing editor
:01:43. > :01:47.of the Evening Standard. All of that and more
:01:48. > :01:49.coming up in a while. Labour has announced a plan
:01:50. > :01:56.to introduce four new bank holidays across the UK if the party wins
:01:57. > :01:59.the general election. Our Political Correspondent
:02:00. > :02:03.Ben Wright reports. Working hard
:02:04. > :02:09.to get your vote. But Jeremy Corbyn thinks Britain's
:02:10. > :02:13.workers deserve a break and says if he will try and introduce four
:02:14. > :02:20.new UK-wide bank holidays. Bank holidays are a devolved matter
:02:21. > :02:24.in Scotland but Mr Corbyn says he would introduce four more in England
:02:25. > :02:28.on St George's Day, St David's Day, St Patrick's Day and St Andrew's
:02:29. > :02:32.day. He will also suggest to the devolved
:02:33. > :02:35.administrations they also have Labour claims the move would help
:02:36. > :02:43.bring the four nations of the UK together as well as giving people
:02:44. > :02:51.more time off. The party said there was no
:02:52. > :02:54.definitive estimate of the economic A Conservative source said the
:02:55. > :02:58.British economy would be on a permanent holiday if Jeremy Corbyn
:02:59. > :03:01.got near Downing Street. Ukip says its manifesto will include
:03:02. > :03:05.a pledge to ban the full-face veils The party leader, Paul Nuttall
:03:06. > :03:13.will launch what he calls an "integration agenda",
:03:14. > :03:15.saying the burka and niqab are a barrier to social harmony
:03:16. > :03:18.and a security risk. And you can see interviews
:03:19. > :03:19.with Paul Nuttall and the Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn
:03:20. > :03:22.later in this programme. Polling has begun in France
:03:23. > :03:24.in the presidential election 50,000 police and
:03:25. > :03:27.7,000 soldiers have been deployed to prevent a repeat
:03:28. > :03:30.of the recent terror attacks. with the race considered
:03:31. > :03:33.too close to call. The two winning candidates will go
:03:34. > :03:38.through to a run-off next month. are expected to take part
:03:39. > :03:42.in today's London marathon. More than 40,000 have
:03:43. > :03:44.registered for the event, And coverage of the marathon
:03:45. > :03:49.will immediately follow this programme on BBC One,
:03:50. > :03:56.with the main race starting at 10am. The next news on BBC One
:03:57. > :04:13.is at 3.00pm. Many papers are tell us they already
:04:14. > :04:19.know the results of elections. We've many contrasting front pages. In the
:04:20. > :04:25.Sunday express, 1 in 7 Labour voters. The Mail on Sunday says the
:04:26. > :04:29.Tory lead has been slashed in half after their U-turn on pensions and
:04:30. > :04:34.other policies as well. Then, the Sunday Telegraph has Patrick
:04:35. > :04:40.McLoughlin, the Tory chairman attacking Corbyn as a terror risk to
:04:41. > :04:48.the UK. The Sunday Times has Theresa May parking her tanks on Labour's
:04:49. > :04:51.lawn. And then finally, the Observer, the Observer are bigging
:04:52. > :04:57.up Tim Farron and the Liberal Democrats. I wonder whether as a big
:04:58. > :04:59.remain or anti-Brexit paper, they'll go with the Liberal Democrats rather
:05:00. > :05:04.than the Labour Party this time? We'll see. Brilliant paper reviewers
:05:05. > :05:09.in front of us. We'll start with Sarah, a big spread in the Sunday
:05:10. > :05:14.Times. The long reads you turn to on a Sunday morning. You do. The papers
:05:15. > :05:20.are full of marathon headlines. This one is the lady is going for gold.
:05:21. > :05:26.Here's a nice balanced cartoon of Theresa May. Striding ahead. Jeremy
:05:27. > :05:30.Corbyn. This is Tim Shipman good on the inside track. He's very
:05:31. > :05:34.interesting on Theresa May's extraordinary control of her own
:05:35. > :05:39.Cabinet, most of whom had no idea she was going to call this election.
:05:40. > :05:45.Some of whom may be on a sticky wicket if she wins, we read as well?
:05:46. > :05:50.Absolutely. Just to show the relationship between her and her
:05:51. > :05:54.Cabinet, reminiscent of Margaret Thatcher who referred to her Cabinet
:05:55. > :05:59.as the vegetables. Tory MPs have taken to referring to their female
:06:00. > :06:06.boss as mummy! Slightly unsettling making this kind of... A smack of
:06:07. > :06:11.firm Government. I have a personal interest in this that it is said one
:06:12. > :06:19.thing she's doing is trying to fell her former foes. George Osborne, my
:06:20. > :06:23.successor as editor of the London Evening Standard, when one
:06:24. > :06:26.journalist suggested 5% of the decision was wanting to watch
:06:27. > :06:33.Osborne make a tough decision about giving up his seat, they said you
:06:34. > :06:38.think only 5%. Were you surprised as the sitting editor. He contacted you
:06:39. > :06:44.too late for the first edition? It was fine! Let's keep moving. Kevin,
:06:45. > :06:47.you have the front pages of the Sunday Times. Theresa May trying to
:06:48. > :06:53.pick policies which she thinks will appeal to Labour voters? Absolutely.
:06:54. > :06:58.One is energy bills capping. The Conservative Government, it was a
:06:59. > :07:02.Labour idea upped he had Mel band thought it was a terrible
:07:03. > :07:08.interference. It was socialism when it was a Labour idea? I dare say the
:07:09. > :07:14.Sunday Times were against him. They seem in favour. Capping increases,
:07:15. > :07:17.variable tariffs regionally. I would like to see how this would work.
:07:18. > :07:23.They've come out of this, it is in the supped times. She had a sticky
:07:24. > :07:26.couple of days over tax with the Chancellor, Philip Hammond
:07:27. > :07:31.suggesting they were going to drop the David Cameron driple lock. He
:07:32. > :07:37.very much wants the freedom to be able to raise taxes if it is right
:07:38. > :07:41.to do it economically? That's income tax, VAT and insurance. Elections
:07:42. > :07:44.are unpredictable. A long way to go here. We don't know what will
:07:45. > :07:51.happen. They are coming up with a consumer offer. She says, we are the
:07:52. > :07:56.low tax party ignoring the fact the tax take is at a 30-year high. She's
:07:57. > :08:01.come up with something. Will it work. Nigel Nelson has an interview
:08:02. > :08:07.with Jeremy Corbyn in the Sunday Mirror. What's the top line? He
:08:08. > :08:11.does. Jeremy Corbyn comes across as very wet. In it to win it. He
:08:12. > :08:17.doesn't like to talk about himself as a Prime Minister. Here he says
:08:18. > :08:23.he's up for it. Any increases in taxes will be on the very Richest
:08:24. > :08:26.which he seems to think not just those over ?70,000-80,000. He's
:08:27. > :08:32.looking at corporations and the very rich. He's up for the fight which he
:08:33. > :08:38.hasn't always appeared. He needs to be, if you look at the polls. We
:08:39. > :08:43.shouldn't be obsessed by polls but they are a guide. In the Sunday
:08:44. > :08:48.mishor, they have the Conservatives on 50%. The highest since 1991. The
:08:49. > :08:55.highest of any party since Tony Blair in 2002. Labour on 25%. If
:08:56. > :08:58.this election race was in an athletics stadium, Theresa May would
:08:59. > :09:03.have lapped Jeremy Corbyn at the moment. Six or seven weeks of hard
:09:04. > :09:09.campaigning, anything can happen. Benedicte. We'll talk about your
:09:10. > :09:13.elections at home in a moment. Cabinet Ministers who may be a
:09:14. > :09:20.little bit worried if Theresa May gets a big majority? That's right.
:09:21. > :09:26.It seems she may go on a chopping spree according to the sun. Heads
:09:27. > :09:30.are set to roll. If she wins big, more big beasts could go, including,
:09:31. > :09:35.apparently, the Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson. If she gets that
:09:36. > :09:41.landslide victory which she is gunning for, there are all kinds of
:09:42. > :09:46.people like Andrea Leadsom who could have been the Prime Minister if that
:09:47. > :09:51.race went' had. Liz Truss. Various people. Perhaps even Liam Fox.
:09:52. > :09:55.People they've been prepared to put out on to sofas and chairs like this
:09:56. > :09:58.over the last year to speak for the Government but clearly haven't per
:09:59. > :10:03.formed well enough. Interesting, Sarah, the one thing we don't really
:10:04. > :10:08.know yet, is what kind of Prime Minister Theresa May would be if she
:10:09. > :10:13.was able to unbound and herself and her own mistress, as it were. We
:10:14. > :10:21.don't know what she'd really do over Brexit and domestic policy. She has
:10:22. > :10:25.remained incriedable. It is an act of faith. Trust me, Teresa. The Mail
:10:26. > :10:30.on Sunday, normally, there's a convention in elections you wait a
:10:31. > :10:34.little bit. Say we hope they'll perform, see what their vision is.
:10:35. > :10:38.The Mail on Sunday is cutting that out and straight for, vote for
:10:39. > :10:44.Theresa May. Kevin suggested it was to beat the Daily Mail on this.
:10:45. > :10:49.Great rivalries between the editors. They could be spinning. Let's lessen
:10:50. > :10:56.the expectation but while gunning for a landslide? Yes, these ones
:10:57. > :11:02.have no doubt at all. The Mail on Sunday says vote Theresa May. The
:11:03. > :11:08.cartoons are very telling. We've had her winning the marathon. Here we
:11:09. > :11:14.have had as St George. It goes on. Before we take a deep breath and
:11:15. > :11:17.swim our way across the channel, one other aspect of this election is the
:11:18. > :11:20.Liberal Democrats. A suggestion there will be a grand pact for the
:11:21. > :11:26.Liberal Democrats and others to stand down against each other, an
:11:27. > :11:33.anti-Brexit pact. I'm highly sceptical about this. I guess the
:11:34. > :11:38.Liberal Democrats have been burnt before about coalitions. It seems an
:11:39. > :11:42.interesting mathematical coalition if you went for the pro-European you
:11:43. > :11:47.could get the numbers. It is interesting Tim Farron is saying no.
:11:48. > :11:51.What do you think? It is impossible to organise at this late stage. It
:11:52. > :11:56.is where you put your resources into seats. Do you Labour really
:11:57. > :12:00.challenge Liberal Democrat seats and the other way around. The south-west
:12:01. > :12:04.will be a big thing. The role of Brexit in this will be very
:12:05. > :12:10.interesting. It is a really tough job not just for reed leaders of
:12:11. > :12:15.campaigns but pollsters. How much is that really possible to predict? It
:12:16. > :12:20.is impossible to predict what will happen. The French elections are in
:12:21. > :12:24.two stages. You've round one, a lot of candidates. It is whittled down
:12:25. > :12:29.to two finalists in the second round. You vote for who you want to
:12:30. > :12:34.win in the first round and you vote against who you're most frightened
:12:35. > :12:40.of in the second round? The there are four people who may make it to
:12:41. > :12:44.the second round? We have 11 presidential candidates. Four very
:12:45. > :12:50.surprisingly seem to be in with a chance of making it through to the
:12:51. > :12:54.second round. So, not completely unexpected according to the polls to
:12:55. > :13:02.have Mc-Macron, former finance minister. We call him the Blairite.
:13:03. > :13:08.An Anglo--centric way of looking at him. Only 39 years old. It might not
:13:09. > :13:17.register that loudly in this country. But by French standards it
:13:18. > :13:23.is astonishing. He is campaigning as a centrist. He is not from the right
:13:24. > :13:32.or left. We've Marine Le Pen. We think that's most likely to be the
:13:33. > :13:38.two contenders. The National Front. And you've Fillion. Who do you think
:13:39. > :13:46.will get through? Sorry to do that! Fair enough. OK. I think we may be
:13:47. > :13:50.in for a Macron v Le Pen. I do not know. Millions of people, in fact,
:13:51. > :13:55.the best political heads in France don't know. It will be, it is in the
:13:56. > :14:00.hands of French people. What is certain, whatever happens, this is a
:14:01. > :14:07.crucial election for France, just as importantly, a huge election for the
:14:08. > :14:10.EU. If madam Le Pen were to become president that would have a
:14:11. > :14:19.significant effect on France. A referendum. Its position in the EU.
:14:20. > :14:25.The other candidate is very anti-EU as well. If it's Macron versus l
:14:26. > :14:29.pen, he doesn't really have an ordinary party. We're not absolutely
:14:30. > :14:35.sure whether he can get the votes out in numbers. Le Pen has a
:14:36. > :14:40.formidable old fashioned vote gathering machine. Is there a danger
:14:41. > :14:44.if Macron makes it against her she wins on the second round. Some
:14:45. > :14:49.qualify it as a danger. Others as a hope. They'd be quite happy. The
:14:50. > :14:55.fact of the matter is, if we are dealing with, in the end, a
:14:56. > :15:00.Macron/Le Pen, it will be astonishing for another reason, it
:15:01. > :15:09.will mean neither of the two main parties, the Socialist Party
:15:10. > :15:14.candidate who's polling appallingly, 8%, it would mean Marine Le Pen, she
:15:15. > :15:17.isn't the centre-right, we have a complete met down not for the
:15:18. > :15:22.Socialist Party but the political landscape in France. I should say,
:15:23. > :15:28.because there are two rounds, there's a rib can pact. Don't
:15:29. > :15:34.undermine or sudden underplay Macron's chances. People will pile
:15:35. > :15:40.into his camp to stop Le Pen? Yes. There's one other political story
:15:41. > :15:47.for reasons which will become shortly apparent, UKIP have a story
:15:48. > :15:54.about banning the burka? They do. They want to ban face coverings if
:15:55. > :16:00.they win the election. It will be in their manifesto. Of course, it is
:16:01. > :16:06.very inflammatory. You don't set people free with bans. There are
:16:07. > :16:12.very view Muslim women who wear the face veil in Britain. It is the root
:16:13. > :16:17.now, Ukip will go down that after Brexit and become an anti-migrant...
:16:18. > :16:24.We will discuss this shortly. If you put it in line with France, Belgium
:16:25. > :16:27.and Bulgaria. The fact Paul Nuttall's written a piece in the
:16:28. > :16:34.Sunday express, unusual for him. Eight question marks. He does
:16:35. > :16:37.suggest Ukip may not run candidates against some of the Brexiteers.
:16:38. > :16:42.Before we fin #, Sarah, you're about to take over
:16:43. > :16:46.the Today programme on BBC Four. Have you plans for major shakeups?
:16:47. > :16:52.Exciting new presenters? I'm going to arrive and learn, I think, is the
:16:53. > :16:57.George Osborne line I'm taking. Thank you all very much.
:16:58. > :16:59.Now, Ukip are making news this morning, as we've been hearing.
:17:00. > :17:03.and does this party actually have a purpose any longer?
:17:04. > :17:18.Let's talk about banning the burkha, why are you going to do this? Two
:17:19. > :17:21.reasons. We have a heightened security risk. For CCTV to be
:17:22. > :17:25.effective you need to see people's faces. In this country there is more
:17:26. > :17:29.CCTV per head than any other country. We are the most watched.
:17:30. > :17:33.But that we need to see people's faces. Secondly, integration. I
:17:34. > :17:36.don't believe you can integrate fully and enjoy the fruits of
:17:37. > :17:42.British society if you cannot see people's faces. Look at statistics,
:17:43. > :17:48.50% of Muslim women are economically inactive. 22% don't speak English to
:17:49. > :17:50.any great level. We need to make sure these people are fully
:17:51. > :17:55.integrated into British society. You cannot do that when your face is
:17:56. > :17:59.hidden behind a veil. How do we do that? You cannot dress codes in
:18:00. > :18:03.people's houses. If they stepped onto the street, what would happen,
:18:04. > :18:06.would they be arrested? Like in France, they have a fine. We will
:18:07. > :18:10.come in line with other European countries such as Belgium and
:18:11. > :18:14.Bulgaria. There is a ban in the city of Barcelona, and in some places in
:18:15. > :18:20.Italy. Angela Merkel is talking about this in Italy, as well -- in
:18:21. > :18:23.Germany at the moment. One of the big leaders in the European
:18:24. > :18:31.Parliament is now talking about an EU wide ban. You could be a good
:18:32. > :18:35.Europhile as usual. What has changed since 2013 when you said, what we
:18:36. > :18:41.would not do is go down the line of enforcing a blanket ban, we are a
:18:42. > :18:45.Libertarian party, what has changed? Firstly, there is a bigger security
:18:46. > :18:51.threat we face now. You look at Trevor Phillips' report of Muslims
:18:52. > :18:55.coming into the UK. You look at the work others have done on this issue.
:18:56. > :18:59.Integration is getting worse in Britain, not better. The security
:19:00. > :19:03.threat was there in 2013, integration was no better, and you
:19:04. > :19:07.said we are a Libertarian party, we don't interfere with what people
:19:08. > :19:13.wear, eat, and so forth. We know more about integration problems now
:19:14. > :19:18.from Casey's report. I cannot walk into a bank with a balaclava on or a
:19:19. > :19:23.crash helmet. If I can't do it at other people can't I don't see why
:19:24. > :19:29.we have a special interest. You're also going for sharia law and sharia
:19:30. > :19:33.courts. Why? I don't think we should have a different legal system. Would
:19:34. > :19:40.you do the same with Jewish courts? That's different. We had courts in
:19:41. > :19:44.this country that date all the way back to Cromwell. The Jewish
:19:45. > :19:47.population in Britain, Orthodox Jewish population, has fallen to
:19:48. > :19:51.about a quarter of a million now. The issues surrounding sharia is
:19:52. > :19:54.that the Muslim population is doubling decade on decade. Its 3
:19:55. > :20:00.million now. It will be 6 million soon. Trevor Phillips' report showed
:20:01. > :20:04.that a quarter of Muslim people in Britain want to see sharia replaced
:20:05. > :20:09.British law in areas which are predominantly Muslim populated. We
:20:10. > :20:14.have a problem with this. Either we deal with it now or down the line.
:20:15. > :20:23.Will you allow mosques to stay open? Of course, this is not a -- an
:20:24. > :20:27.attack on Muslim people. People might think that Ukip are losing its
:20:28. > :20:31.purpose. It cannot be right that we have caught on councils in this
:20:32. > :20:35.country where the word of a woman has half the importance of a man. It
:20:36. > :20:40.has no place in a western diplomatic country. You don't feel that
:20:41. > :20:47.targeting what people where you are infringing on something which will
:20:48. > :20:50.be personal? I don't. If CCTV is to be effective in an age of heightened
:20:51. > :20:54.terror you need to see people's faces. I want to see real
:20:55. > :20:59.integration. For some people this is a part of who they are. We were
:21:00. > :21:04.joking about your flat cap earlier. That is a part of who you are, this
:21:05. > :21:09.is what these women are. But you can see my face. I'm not a security
:21:10. > :21:13.threat. It is about integration. As I said earlier, 58% of Muslim women
:21:14. > :21:18.in this country are economic and inactive. If you cannot see
:21:19. > :21:24.someone's face it means that they will be excluded from some jobs.
:21:25. > :21:31.Ukip will not stand against strong pro-Brexit candidates, is that
:21:32. > :21:34.right? Not just Tory candidates. This won't be an order which is
:21:35. > :21:38.coming down from the top of the party. I will speak to branches over
:21:39. > :21:43.the coming weeks and we will make decisions. What I don't want to see
:21:44. > :21:47.happen is good Brexiteers, not fly by night, people who have campaigned
:21:48. > :21:54.for years for it. I don't want to see them lose their seats. Craig
:21:55. > :21:58.McKinley, and offers old in your party before you came the Tory MP
:21:59. > :22:05.for Thanet South. And one of your target seats. One of the few seats
:22:06. > :22:10.where you could win it. Craig McKinley is a good Brexiteer,
:22:11. > :22:16.therefore are you not going to stand against? Absolutely not. That case
:22:17. > :22:27.is to most. Because of the way he was elected. -- that case is
:22:28. > :22:31.different to most. Not -- Andy Nuttall has been a good Brexiteer
:22:32. > :22:36.all his life. So you won't stand against him? I haven't said that.
:22:37. > :22:41.What I won't do is make the mistake of 2010 where the party leader told
:22:42. > :22:47.branches to stand down. This will be done... Stand against them or don't?
:22:48. > :22:52.Theresa May, stand or don't stand? Not my decision, it's down to the
:22:53. > :22:57.branch. Boris Johnson? Not my decision it's down to the branch.
:22:58. > :23:03.This is a boring game. It is. What are you going to do? I will make the
:23:04. > :23:07.decision in the coming weeks. Will you stand as a candidate the Ukip?
:23:08. > :23:11.Again, I will have conversations with branches, nothing has been
:23:12. > :23:14.decided. Conversations, conversations. Thanks very much.
:23:15. > :23:18.It's been mostly pretty nice this week but colder air is pouring
:23:19. > :23:21.which might be good news for some over-heated marathon runners.
:23:22. > :23:26.Over to Ben Rich in the BBC weather studio.
:23:27. > :23:32.Good morning. It is fairly chilly at the moment. But that is nothing
:23:33. > :23:36.compared with what is heading our way over the next few days. Cold
:23:37. > :23:40.weather isn't unusual in April, but that does not mean it won't be a
:23:41. > :23:44.shock to the system when we see wintry showers and cold and frosty
:23:45. > :23:48.nights through the week ahead. Make the most of today because for many
:23:49. > :23:51.it is a decent day. Particularly across England and Wales. Some
:23:52. > :23:56.patchy cloud, small chance of a shower, but most will be dry with
:23:57. > :23:59.sunny spells. Thicker cloud across Northern Ireland and Scotland. Later
:24:00. > :24:02.in the day Northern Scotland will the wet and windy weather. This is
:24:03. > :24:06.the first sign of the change, this area of low pressure and this cold
:24:07. > :24:11.front sinking south. A little rain on that. Behind that it will
:24:12. > :24:16.introduce cold air. Wintry showers developing across northern Scotland.
:24:17. > :24:21.And a frost here. Not as cold over England and Wales, there will be
:24:22. > :24:25.cloud and patchy rain. This is it sinking south across England and
:24:26. > :24:28.Wales. Behind it, Northern Ireland, Scotland and northern England
:24:29. > :24:33.brightening up. But there will be cold showers, a mixture of rain,
:24:34. > :24:37.hail, sleet, may be some snow. And we're not just talking about
:24:38. > :24:43.mountaintops, there could be more persistent wintry weather over the
:24:44. > :24:44.East of Scotland. Prepare for overnight frosts and prepare for
:24:45. > :24:51.wintry showers. Plaid Cymru, the party of Wales,
:24:52. > :24:54.has had a vision of that country's future as semi-independent inside
:24:55. > :24:57.the EU - an option, of course, So, what's their real
:24:58. > :25:00.constitutional vision now? The party leader Leanne Wood
:25:01. > :25:12.joins me from Cardiff. Good morning. Happy St George's Day.
:25:13. > :25:18.It is Saint Andrews Day in my case, but thank you. Can I ask you about
:25:19. > :25:25.the constitutional vision you have? In the old party of Plaid Cymru the
:25:26. > :25:28.age of the two Dafydds, the idea was that Wales would be an independent
:25:29. > :25:36.country inside the EU. Now Wales has voted like England to leave, doesn't
:25:37. > :25:39.that scupper your vision for the future? The immediate issue facing
:25:40. > :25:45.us in Wales is defending our nationhood. There are grave threats
:25:46. > :25:50.to people in this country from an extreme Tory Brexit. Threats to
:25:51. > :25:56.livelihoods from an economic downturn, as a result of that hard
:25:57. > :26:00.Brexit. And also threats in terms of our Constitution here in Wales.
:26:01. > :26:03.Because I believe in increased mandate for the Tories will mean
:26:04. > :26:09.that they will power grab from Wales. Those powers that will be
:26:10. > :26:13.coming down from Brussels should be coming directly to Cardiff Bay. The
:26:14. > :26:24.risk is that the Tories will grab those powers to Westminster. Is
:26:25. > :26:28.Plaid Cymru in any sense now a nationalist party? In the sense that
:26:29. > :26:31.everyone is a nationalist. If those parties that are not defending Wales
:26:32. > :26:37.are talking from a British nationalist perspective, of course.
:26:38. > :26:40.I don't think these terms are necessarily helpful. But you are
:26:41. > :26:45.right, we are in a defensive mode here now. There are grave threats
:26:46. > :26:48.facing our country and people. Plaid Cymru is determined to stand up for
:26:49. > :26:56.those people. And remember, Labour are divided. There are many Labour
:26:57. > :26:59.MPs in Wales who are openly attacking, or have been openly
:27:00. > :27:04.attacking their leader. They are in no fit state to provide the
:27:05. > :27:09.opposition and the voice Wales needs in this situation. So it is down to
:27:10. > :27:12.Plaid Cymru. I hope people in Wales will recognise the situation we are
:27:13. > :27:18.in and vote for the maximum number of Plaid Cymru MPs to be the strong
:27:19. > :27:22.voice for Wales in Westminster as these vital decisions are being made
:27:23. > :27:25.over the next few years. That labour leader you've been discussing will
:27:26. > :27:31.be here shortly. He's produced one policy I suspect you will be pleased
:27:32. > :27:35.about. A national holiday on St David's Day. We have been calling
:27:36. > :27:39.for that for many years. We don't have the powers in the National
:27:40. > :27:44.Assembly to do that. I suspect we would have done it years ago. This
:27:45. > :27:49.highlights the problem in Wales. We have grave problems but we don't
:27:50. > :27:56.have the tools to provide the solutions. We need the powers to
:27:57. > :28:01.defend Wales from what we can expect to be the worse from the Tories. It
:28:02. > :28:06.isn't just about Brexit. The Tories are hell-bent, in my view, on
:28:07. > :28:15.privatising the NHS. They want to produce selections which are well
:28:16. > :28:26.spaced for schools. Might you stand as a candidate yourself? Paul dodged
:28:27. > :28:31.the question. -- wealth based for schools. All party rules dictate
:28:32. > :28:34.that if I was to win a Westminster seat, which is doable, I'd have to
:28:35. > :28:40.give up the leadership of the party, which is something I don't really
:28:41. > :28:43.want to do. So you will not stand? I think we can win with a number of
:28:44. > :28:53.different candidates. I'm encouraged that we do have a choice. The Labour
:28:54. > :28:56.MP for the bundle -- from the Rhondda is pretty vulnerable at the
:28:57. > :28:59.moment. Sounds like you won't. Thank you for talking to us this morning.
:29:00. > :29:02.Ever since The Kinks were kicked out of America in the sixties,
:29:03. > :29:05.Ray Davies has had an on/off love affair with the country.
:29:06. > :29:08.He's been inspired by its grandeur but also felt its dark side -
:29:09. > :29:11.he was shot and left for dead in New Orleans after chasing a mugger.
:29:12. > :29:14.His latest album, "Americana", sees him teaming up with The Jayhawks -
:29:15. > :29:16.a band some of you may remember from this show.
:29:17. > :29:19.The album's been gaining the newly knighted Sir Ray Davies some
:29:20. > :29:41.# Riding high on inspiration # Full of expectations of the road
:29:42. > :29:44.# On that winding trail to somewhere # The other foolish loanee did not
:29:45. > :29:48.care #. It's Americana, not so much
:29:49. > :29:50.the country, more the vision, All of the youngsters impressed by
:29:51. > :29:58.Americans, good guys, bad guys. And I realised it was nothing like
:29:59. > :30:04.that. Of course, you've had some very
:30:05. > :30:06.strange experiences of America. The fixture of -- a mixture of bad
:30:07. > :30:17.management. We didn't really cut it too well
:30:18. > :30:22.with the American culture. The Beatles were more
:30:23. > :30:24.accessible, friendly people, The Kinks were really
:30:25. > :30:26.disorganised rebels. Disorganised and slightly
:30:27. > :30:27.less friendly. And one of the songs
:30:28. > :30:32.on the new album you talk about, The Invaders, was that what it felt
:30:33. > :30:35.like at the time? The first words we heard,
:30:36. > :30:38.one of the first people, the immigration man said
:30:39. > :30:42.are you a boy or a girl? My brother said he
:30:43. > :30:46.is a girl, so am I. They treated us like invaders,
:30:47. > :30:56.because the films from the 50s, The Creatures From The Black Lagoon,
:30:57. > :31:01.the Commie threat. And the new album, Americana,
:31:02. > :31:10.really starts when you have a lot Tell us what happened and how
:31:11. > :31:16.you responded to that. It was a random shooting, mugging,
:31:17. > :31:19.I made the mistake of chasing You can get away with it in
:31:20. > :31:30.Muswell Hill, but not New Orleans. The post shooting was worse,
:31:31. > :31:38.because all my identification was gone, for a while I was known
:31:39. > :31:41.as an unknown person. # And those big neon signs
:31:42. > :31:55.telling us what to eat # In every shop window goods
:31:56. > :32:04.are designed to please If not cynicism, at least
:32:05. > :32:14.a sense of down about LA and about the deals
:32:15. > :32:17.and the contracts. And there's a sense, almost,
:32:18. > :32:20.in the album that America is somehow But on the other hand you talk
:32:21. > :32:26.about dreary Angleterre. I think, you must remember
:32:27. > :32:32.I wrote about character, the character is not really me
:32:33. > :32:35.in a song called The Deal, he goes to America to try to make it,
:32:36. > :32:39.he goes to LA where you particularly have to adapt to a certain type
:32:40. > :32:43.of phoniness, very fake. I think he succumbs
:32:44. > :32:52.to the temptations. Would you say that your are still
:32:53. > :32:57.basically an English Romantic? Americana, the vision,
:32:58. > :33:04.can come true. It's going through a tough
:33:05. > :33:06.time at the moment. I think it'll all balance
:33:07. > :33:08.itself out, hopefully. I should have called you Sir Ray,
:33:09. > :33:12.almost, for this interview. Because I was thinking back
:33:13. > :33:18.to the album Naughty Boys, Naughty Schoolboys, and the picture
:33:19. > :33:21.on the front of that album, and I thought this man
:33:22. > :33:23.now has a knighthood. And that is a very
:33:24. > :33:25.strange, strange story. Well, a rebel or two
:33:26. > :33:27.will do some good. Britain has great history,
:33:28. > :33:31.great ceremonial abilities, My parents would have been angry
:33:32. > :33:37.if I hadn't accepted it. There's also a certain sense of
:33:38. > :33:43.mortality about the new album. and you're on your way
:33:44. > :33:53.to the mystery room. What, for you, is the mystery room,
:33:54. > :33:56.or is it simply blank? In the context of the record
:33:57. > :33:59.it visiting a time We've all been in
:34:00. > :34:03.situations like that. It is the big, unanswered
:34:04. > :34:07.question, really. What do you think
:34:08. > :34:09.is through that door? # You got me so I
:34:10. > :34:18.don't know what I'm doing # You got me so I
:34:19. > :34:23.can't sleep at night And that new album from Ray Davies,
:34:24. > :34:33."Americana", has just been released. Most of us have seen Jeremy Corbyn
:34:34. > :34:37.in short bursts in news bulletins But now he is fighting to become
:34:38. > :34:42.Britain's next Prime Minister, there is a vast range of policy
:34:43. > :34:45.issues we need to hear about from him - on foreign policy,
:34:46. > :34:57.the economy and of course, Brexit. He's here now. Good morning. What a
:34:58. > :35:02.lovely interview. What a lovely man, Ray Davies. A lovely man. Let me ask
:35:03. > :35:06.you, whether you think this election campaign you're embarking upon is
:35:07. > :35:10.rigged? Well, it's come unexpectedly. We're here, ready for
:35:11. > :35:15.it. We're out there. I've done nine events already. You don't think it's
:35:16. > :35:20.rigged? The election is on. That's no longer a debate. The woman who
:35:21. > :35:27.introduced you for your opening speech said the other day, this is
:35:28. > :35:32.Theresa May trying to rig democracy in this country. Theresa May's
:35:33. > :35:36.jumped in to hold an election quickly, unexpectedly for just about
:35:37. > :35:41.everybody, I think. We are now taking our case out there to the
:35:42. > :35:47.country. Is they right or -- she right or not? Theresa May thinks
:35:48. > :35:53.she's chosen an election at a time which suits her and has torn up the
:35:54. > :35:57.principles of the fixed term acts. An election will happen on June 8th.
:35:58. > :36:01.We should focus on the issues that face the people of this country. You
:36:02. > :36:06.could have stopped it happening and you didn't. Why? Because opposition
:36:07. > :36:12.parties want to be in Government. You have always said you will be a
:36:13. > :36:18.different kind of leader. You said, I'm not going to play by their
:36:19. > :36:21.rules. Do you tend to be a transformational inmaterial
:36:22. > :36:27.different Prime Minister? I want to see a very different country. I'm
:36:28. > :36:32.angry and fed up in the way in which six million people earn less than a
:36:33. > :36:37.living wage. People don't know what their wage will be from one week to
:36:38. > :36:41.another, increasing numbers of homeless people. People on
:36:42. > :36:44.middle-income jobs whose children can't get homes, housing and who
:36:45. > :36:51.can't get on the career ladder because they're so saddled with
:36:52. > :36:57.student debt. If you win, it won't be business as usual? No, it will be
:36:58. > :37:00.very different. Want to cover foreign policy first. If us win the
:37:01. > :37:05.election and walk through the doors of Downing Street, almost the first
:37:06. > :37:10.thing that happens you are tapped on the shoulder by a senior civil
:37:11. > :37:15.servant who takes you to write four letters to the captains of Britain's
:37:16. > :37:19.nuclear sub Marines telling them what to do if this country's
:37:20. > :37:25.attacked in a nuclear strike. What will you tell them? I will say I
:37:26. > :37:32.want us to achieve a nuclear-free world. I want us to adhere not
:37:33. > :37:37.nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Take part in negotiations around
:37:38. > :37:44.that. Crucially, immediately, promote the six-party talks on the
:37:45. > :37:47.Korean peninsula to de-escalate nuclear tensions around the world.
:37:48. > :37:53.At that point, you have to say fire or don't fire. You can't dodge it.
:37:54. > :37:56.You have to give them in those letters a strict instruction? A
:37:57. > :38:02.strict instruction to follow orders when given. You don't tell them
:38:03. > :38:09.whether to fire or not to fire? The issue has to be, we want a secure
:38:10. > :38:13.and peaceful world. We achieve that by promoting peace, by also
:38:14. > :38:16.promoting security and security comes from that process. But as
:38:17. > :38:21.Prime Minister, you have very, very fast decisions to take on all of
:38:22. > :38:27.this. Can I ask you directly, are there any circumstances in which
:38:28. > :38:31.you'd authorise a nuclear strike? I've made clear my views on nuclear
:38:32. > :38:38.weapons. No first use of it. I've made clear any use of nuclear
:38:39. > :38:43.weapons is disastrous for the whole world. We need to look at the
:38:44. > :38:49.process of achieving peace and security for the world. Nuclear
:38:50. > :38:54.weapons are disastrous if ever used. I would focus first on the issues of
:38:55. > :39:01.Korea. That's where the greatest tensions are at the present time.
:39:02. > :39:06.I'm disturbed the Trump administration is trying to unpick
:39:07. > :39:10.President Obama's deal with Iran. They were addressing issues of
:39:11. > :39:14.security there as well as human rights issues in Iran. After those
:39:15. > :39:18.letters about the next decision you have to take is which world leaders
:39:19. > :39:23.you call first. Who do you call? I think you call the European leaders,
:39:24. > :39:27.President Trump, President Putin, you call the Prime Minister of
:39:28. > :39:32.India, you call the President of China. Call all the members of the
:39:33. > :39:37.Security Council, including those that are short-term members in the
:39:38. > :39:41.sense they are on for one term. You build a relationship there. I would
:39:42. > :39:47.immediately call the general secretary of the UN. Do you tell him
:39:48. > :39:52.and President Trump we are no longer an nuclear armed power? I will say I
:39:53. > :39:56.want to meet you, talk to you, work together for a secure and peaceful
:39:57. > :40:00.world. Then offer to meet them as soon as possible. All of them. In
:40:01. > :40:03.terms of making of policy, we are in a new situation now because of this
:40:04. > :40:08.election. The triedent gateway vote happened but this is a chance to
:40:09. > :40:16.reopen the whole question. Would a Labour Government cancel the Trident
:40:17. > :40:20.programme? We'll have a strategic defence review immediately as most
:40:21. > :40:26.incoming Governments do. We would look at the situation at that time.
:40:27. > :40:30.But also make sure our armed forces are properly funded and they are
:40:31. > :40:34.able to play their part in peacekeeping around the world. This
:40:35. > :40:39.is still an entirely unrest offered question what you're going to do.
:40:40. > :40:44.Your defence spokesman said keeping Trident will be in the Labour
:40:45. > :40:48.manifesto. Will it? We haven't completed work on the manifesto.
:40:49. > :40:53.We're less than 100 hours into this election campaign. She could be in
:40:54. > :40:57.for a shock? We're having that discussion within the Labour Party.
:40:58. > :41:02.We will produce our manifesto at the end of May. The Conservative
:41:03. > :41:07.chairman's been disobliging but you in the newspapers. Mr Wrasse must,
:41:08. > :41:13.the former Secretary-General of NATO, said you would be a threat to
:41:14. > :41:17.the future of NATO. You don't really believe in NATO and western security
:41:18. > :41:24.would be harmed. I look forward to talking to him. There are principles
:41:25. > :41:30.around NATO which comes from the 1942 Atlantic treaty within Britain
:41:31. > :41:34.and the US. NATO is a very big force in Europe and powers around the
:41:35. > :41:39.world. I would want to work with NATO leaders in building up an
:41:40. > :41:43.effective, sensible relationship with non-NATO countries such as
:41:44. > :41:48.Russia. Also, try to de-escalate tensions. We've President Trump who
:41:49. > :41:53.is going very much in the opposite direction. Your enthusiasm for
:41:54. > :41:56.talking to people is well known. It is as Prime Minister you have
:41:57. > :42:02.concrete tough, immediate decisions to take. Including, we've 800 troops
:42:03. > :42:06.just sent to Estonia because of worries about Russians on the
:42:07. > :42:10.border. You were against that deploy: Would you bring them back as
:42:11. > :42:14.Prime Minister? We'd keep them there for the moment but use the
:42:15. > :42:18.opportunity of a newly-electeds Government to say we want to reduce
:42:19. > :42:23.tensions on the borders of the European. Build a relationship with
:42:24. > :42:27.the US and Russian administration and the other big powers around the
:42:28. > :42:30.word. We have to have that relationship. My calls would be to
:42:31. > :42:34.the UN and all the members of the Security Council, the Presidents of
:42:35. > :42:37.those countries. When you speak to President Trump, will you tell him
:42:38. > :42:42.we'll no longer take part in air strikes in Syria and Iraq? I will
:42:43. > :42:48.tell him I want to see a process that brings about the end to the
:42:49. > :42:52.conflicts in both those countries. Do you suspend those strikes or not?
:42:53. > :42:59.Let me finish, at the end of the day, the only solution in Syria will
:43:00. > :43:06.be a political one. There has to be a reconvening quickly of the Geneva
:43:07. > :43:11.conference. I would say to President Trump, it's in nobody's interests
:43:12. > :43:16.for this war to continue. Let's get the Geneva process quickly. No more
:43:17. > :43:22.strikes. Have the UN investigation into the war crime of the use of
:43:23. > :43:30.chemical weapons in Syria and take it on from there. Let's involve the
:43:31. > :43:33.UN in this. I'm sorry to press this. I'm just asking because the power
:43:34. > :43:35.would be in your hands as Prime Minister to suspend those air
:43:36. > :43:41.strikes when you walk into Number Ten or not to. Let them keep going
:43:42. > :43:46.and the question is clear, which do you do? You suggest you suspend
:43:47. > :43:50.them? Listen, let's get people around the table quickly. The way of
:43:51. > :43:56.achieving that, suspend the strikes possibly? So suspend the strikes?
:43:57. > :43:59.The point has to be about bringing a political solution. All wars end
:44:00. > :44:05.with a political solution. Let a he is go to that place as quickly as we
:44:06. > :44:10.can. You're sitting in Number Ten. The spooks walk in and say... You
:44:11. > :44:13.wouldn't call them spooks. The gentlemen in suits walk in, Prime
:44:14. > :44:18.Minister Corbyn, we've good news for you. Al-Baghdadi, the leader of
:44:19. > :44:23.Isis, we know where he is, we can take him out with a drone strike.
:44:24. > :44:27.Can we have your permission. I tell them give me the information you
:44:28. > :44:32.have. Tell me how accurate that is and tell me what you think can be
:44:33. > :44:36.achieved by this. If think do know where he is, I'm asking you about
:44:37. > :44:42.decisions you would take? Back to the whole point, what is the
:44:43. > :44:46.objective here? Is the objective to start more strikes which may kill
:44:47. > :44:51.more innocent people or is it to get a political solution in Syria? My
:44:52. > :44:55.whole point... It might be a kill the leader of sighs Sis? Does this
:44:56. > :45:00.help to get a political solution in Syria? Approach it from that
:45:01. > :45:06.position. Do you think killing the leader of sighs Sis will be helpful
:45:07. > :45:13.for a political solution? The leader of Isis not being around would be
:45:14. > :45:17.helpful as part of a solution. But the bombing campaign's killed a
:45:18. > :45:22.large number of civilians, many of whom were virtually prisoners of
:45:23. > :45:29.Isis. Let's move on to domestic policy. One of your announcements
:45:30. > :45:36.this morning, four more bank holidays, St George's Day, St And
:45:37. > :45:42.rue's day and St Patrick's Day. Seven more spring bank holidays.
:45:43. > :45:47.What is the chick cost of this? The Bank of England said there is a
:45:48. > :45:49.benefit measured either way. A benefit because there's less
:45:50. > :45:54.production on bank holidays when people are not working. There's also
:45:55. > :45:58.more spending on those days. There are assessments you make in both
:45:59. > :46:03.ways. They think it is roughly neutral. We've less public holidays
:46:04. > :46:06.than any other country in Europe, less than most industrial nations
:46:07. > :46:12.around the world and far less than Japan which has 16 a year. You said
:46:13. > :46:16.we have a productivity problem in this country. Maybe these are
:46:17. > :46:20.situations in which we have to work harder not less hard? People being
:46:21. > :46:25.more relaxed and spending time with their families is a good thing. It
:46:26. > :46:31.would have the effect of recognising the historical diversity of the UK.
:46:32. > :46:37.There's going to be public holidays, St George's Day, St Patrick's Day,
:46:38. > :46:42.St Andrew's day and St David's Day. Employers say it would cost between
:46:43. > :46:47.?1-2 billion of lost committee to the British economy? The Bank of
:46:48. > :46:54.England says the same on spending. It goes either way. Surely people
:46:55. > :46:57.having the chance of spending more time with their families, and the
:46:58. > :47:01.response I've had so far, bearing in mind this policy was only announced
:47:02. > :47:05.last night, has been generally very positive. People saying, what people
:47:06. > :47:11.do need is more time with their families. There's so much insecurity
:47:12. > :47:14.in work and in people's lives, a public holiday celebrating the
:47:15. > :47:15.diversity of our nation is probably quite a good thing. I'm not against
:47:16. > :47:25.it. I am always in favour of a holiday.
:47:26. > :47:29.Let's talk about transformational politics. You said you would be a
:47:30. > :47:34.different kind of PM. You also said he didn't want private provision
:47:35. > :47:38.inside the NHS. Of all the companies who should be worried about a Labour
:47:39. > :47:42.victory, do we add the shareholders of BUPA, Nuffield, health UK, and
:47:43. > :47:48.those other private companies currently accounting for 8% of NHS
:47:49. > :47:53.spending? Problem is the NHS spends a lot of money on private provision
:47:54. > :47:57.within the NHS. Those contracts that are let out cost a lot of money.
:47:58. > :48:01.Great profits are made out of that. Many of those who work on an NHS
:48:02. > :48:07.contract for the private sector in the NHS are paid less than the NHS
:48:08. > :48:14.workers themselves. And it increases management and consultancy costs
:48:15. > :48:16.within the NHS. My point is an NHS publicly run and publicly
:48:17. > :48:20.accountable is actually more efficient. You were clear in the
:48:21. > :48:28.past, you wanted to end private work inside the NHS for good. It is the
:48:29. > :48:33.NHS. It is there for everyone, and for a purpose, the point is we get
:48:34. > :48:37.free health care. It is the most civilised thing about this country.
:48:38. > :48:43.Something desperately worried about. Ever since the social health care
:48:44. > :48:47.act was passed. Is the answer that you end the work done by Nuffield
:48:48. > :48:52.and BUPA and the other companies in the NHS? We would want to phase out
:48:53. > :48:56.those contracts and bring in directly employed staff. As the
:48:57. > :49:04.contracts are up for renewal, we use them as... You go from 8% down to 0%
:49:05. > :49:08.eventually. Eventually. The NHS was envisaged as a service for all of
:49:09. > :49:11.us. Imagine what it is like working at the NHS alongside somebody
:49:12. > :49:16.working for a different employer, with possibly different objectives.
:49:17. > :49:23.It is cheaper for all of us. Local authorities that have brought
:49:24. > :49:26.services find it is more efficient and cheaper. You falsely suggested
:49:27. > :49:31.that the bosses of companies that have any kind of public contracts,
:49:32. > :49:34.that his defence companies, shipbuilding companies, health
:49:35. > :49:38.companies, all the rest, they should be paid no more than ?350,000 per
:49:39. > :49:48.year. At the moment in the public sector there is an aspiration of a
:49:49. > :49:52.pay ratio of 20 to one. It is the ratio which is most important you
:49:53. > :49:57.think? Indeed but it can't be achieved straightaway. It would be a
:49:58. > :50:02.much more long-term objective. I think there is a massive issue of
:50:03. > :50:08.inequality in Britain. What we've had is a pay ratio between workers
:50:09. > :50:16.and chief executives. It is times 186 of the average pay of their
:50:17. > :50:20.worker. Those things are really not acceptable. Do you want to go deep
:50:21. > :50:26.into the private sector with the same effect? Let's start with the
:50:27. > :50:30.power of public procurement. Let's start with that. My whole point is
:50:31. > :50:34.that the election of a Labour government will mean that we will
:50:35. > :50:36.use the power to govern to improve wage levels and living standards and
:50:37. > :50:43.housing and health across the country. But will also use it as a
:50:44. > :50:46.way of leverage in good quality employment and training. One of the
:50:47. > :50:51.problems of this country is we haven't trained enough workers. You
:50:52. > :50:55.come to education. Used to say that you wanted or grammar schools to
:50:56. > :51:07.become comprehensive. Is that still the same? I want proper funding of
:51:08. > :51:12.all of our schools. -- used to say that you wanted all, schools to
:51:13. > :51:18.become comprehensives. This country is cutting the Budget is while at
:51:19. > :51:22.the same time putting 4 million pounds into a vanity project or
:51:23. > :51:30.grammar schools. We should be funding all schools properly. I
:51:31. > :51:36.don't like selective education. You said I want or grammar schools to
:51:37. > :51:39.become comprehensive schools is that still the same? It has to be made by
:51:40. > :51:44.local decision in the end, even though I would like that. Lots of
:51:45. > :51:49.people don't understand what the Labour Party's vision for Brexit is.
:51:50. > :51:54.Do you agree with Theresa May about wanting maximum access to the single
:51:55. > :51:57.market, and lots of other areas, but where you disagree with her is that
:51:58. > :52:02.you would like to give a bit more when it comes to the Freedom of
:52:03. > :52:05.movement? Theresa May has approached the negotiations of leaving the EU
:52:06. > :52:09.on the basis of a threat will stop saying this is what we want, if we
:52:10. > :52:15.don't get it, we will set up a tax haven. We will go to a different
:52:16. > :52:21.style for Britain. I don't think that a sensible. What would you do
:52:22. > :52:27.as PM? Our first choice is tariff free trade to Europe. A tariff will
:52:28. > :52:32.be placed on all manufacturing goods and services leaving Britain if we
:52:33. > :52:39.go down the road of Theresa May. That means many industries would
:52:40. > :52:42.disappear. We start with the principle of getting that tariff
:52:43. > :52:47.free. I've spent a lot of time reaching out to colleagues in the EU
:52:48. > :52:52.to help us with those negotiations. Part of the impact is that if you
:52:53. > :52:55.are going to get complete control of migration from EU you cannot be in
:52:56. > :53:00.the single market. You said in the past you are not wedded to free
:53:01. > :53:05.movement but you're not against it either. Which side are you on? The
:53:06. > :53:09.first point is to make sure we get an economy that works for all. That
:53:10. > :53:13.means, I think, getting tariff free access to the European market as a
:53:14. > :53:22.high priority. Then new work-out and immigration policy that follows from
:53:23. > :53:27.that. -- then you work out a new migration policy that follows from
:53:28. > :53:31.that. I want us to be expanding our manufacturing sector. I want our own
:53:32. > :53:35.public investment bank to invest in new industries and infrastructure so
:53:36. > :53:41.we have a trading relationship with Europe which is crucial. Half our
:53:42. > :53:45.trade is with Europe at the moment. In these negotiations, if you are
:53:46. > :53:50.there leading them as Prime Minister, do you insist on ending
:53:51. > :53:55.free movement? I would insist on trade access and see what follows
:53:56. > :54:00.from that. That has to be the key. I gave you a straightforward question.
:54:01. > :54:05.But this is the key point. The free movement question, and trade access,
:54:06. > :54:10.they are linked. Free movement ends when we leave the EU. Because that
:54:11. > :54:17.is an intrinsic part of the EU. But there is also a question of EU
:54:18. > :54:24.nationalism in Britain. They should be given the right to remain here.
:54:25. > :54:28.Then we work out the system by those who are able to come here for work
:54:29. > :54:33.and so on, as long as British people are able to go to other parts of
:54:34. > :54:37.Europe to do the same. Most of our manufacturing industry exists on
:54:38. > :54:41.both sides. Apart from rhetoric about what might happen at the end
:54:42. > :54:44.I'm struggling to see a difference between Jeremy Corbyn on Brexit and
:54:45. > :54:49.Theresa May on Brexit. You talk about what she might threaten. I'm
:54:50. > :54:53.not threatening Europe with a tax haven on the shores of Europe. But
:54:54. > :55:00.you are out of the single market, out of the union, -- out of the
:55:01. > :55:05.customs union, or are you not? The single market is intrinsic to the
:55:06. > :55:09.members. If we are not a member then there was a need to have the market
:55:10. > :55:13.relationship. It would have to be a trade agreement with the EU which
:55:14. > :55:18.would ensure that we would continue to gain access and recognise... That
:55:19. > :55:23.is exactly what she says. And recognising the deeper levels of
:55:24. > :55:28.integration of the manufacturing industries of Britain and Europe.
:55:29. > :55:30.She is saying that we want to do a sweetheart trade deal with various
:55:31. > :55:34.people around the world. You can't do that while you are still a member
:55:35. > :55:46.of the EU. The important thing is to maintain jobs. We know there is
:55:47. > :55:49.likely to be a heavy bill. Members of the EU will not even discuss
:55:50. > :55:55.trade deals and migration and so on until they have agreed the so-called
:55:56. > :55:59.divorce proceedings. That could be 16 billion euros. As a Prime
:56:00. > :56:04.Minister, would you accept that? I don't understand where that figure
:56:05. > :56:09.comes from. It comes from Mr Varney. I imagine it is an opening gambit in
:56:10. > :56:13.negotiations. I think it is in the interests of everyone in the
:56:14. > :56:17.European Union, as well as Britain, to come to an agreement very quickly
:56:18. > :56:22.on trade arrangements and develop the rest from there. We have an
:56:23. > :56:29.intelligent discussion. But we don't need to get there on a series of
:56:30. > :56:33.threat. If I was part of the people who were upset about Brexit and
:56:34. > :56:37.thought it was on a disastrous course, if I was that person I would
:56:38. > :56:42.only vote for the Lib Dems because the Labour would carry on that
:56:43. > :56:47.process. Not at all. I represented a constituency that voted heavily to
:56:48. > :56:51.remain. We have supporters strongly in both camps. The basis has to be
:56:52. > :56:55.an intelligent relationship with the European Union, has to be a trade
:56:56. > :56:59.relationship, has to maintain the rights we have achieved,
:57:00. > :57:05.environmental protections, transport agreements, all of those things. We
:57:06. > :57:08.are going to have a very real day to day life relationship with the EU in
:57:09. > :57:13.the future. And I'm clear about European nationalist rights to
:57:14. > :57:18.remain in this country. You were up against this campaign. Mountain to
:57:19. > :57:22.climb. You got hostility from the mainstream press and the rest of it.
:57:23. > :57:28.We've seen it all. If you win this it is your credit, if you fail to
:57:29. > :57:31.win this election, and badly, do you take personal responsibility? I'm
:57:32. > :57:37.leading our party. I'm proud to do that. We are agreeing on a
:57:38. > :57:41.manifesto. We can offer the British people a good relationship with
:57:42. > :57:45.Europe in the future. We will make an offer on education, and on
:57:46. > :57:52.health, and on housing. If that offer is rejected? Opportunities for
:57:53. > :57:55.everybody. Would you accept you have failed if it is rejected? I will
:57:56. > :58:02.make that case to the people of this country. We had nine events already
:58:03. > :58:06.making that case. And we have a huge increase in party membership over
:58:07. > :58:10.the last few days from people who see an opportunity of doing
:58:11. > :58:15.something different in Britain. Of liberating the spirit. Thank you for
:58:16. > :58:18.talking to us. Coming up after the London Marathon
:58:19. > :58:20.at 3.15pm this afternoon, Andrew Neil will be talking to the
:58:21. > :58:23.man responsible for the Conservative Election Campaign, Party Chairman
:58:24. > :58:25.Sir Patrick McLoughlin, and he'll have more
:58:26. > :58:27.on the French Presidential election. That's the Sunday
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