:00:12. > :00:13.Almost every general election ends with an answer.
:00:14. > :00:17.Can Theresa May now really command a government?
:00:18. > :00:20.And has Labour's left-wing adventure reached its climax,
:00:21. > :00:43.Fresh from one of the most remarkable campaigns
:00:44. > :00:45.in modern British history, though he didn't actually win,
:00:46. > :00:53.This morning, he's reported as believing that he can imminently
:00:54. > :01:03.And as Theresa May lurks, wounded and alone in Downing Street,
:01:04. > :01:05.having sacrificed her key advisers, Sir Michael Fallon, is here
:01:06. > :01:17.The biggest question remains Brexit and what this result
:01:18. > :01:24.And I'll be speaking to that veteran Tory Remainer, Lord Heseltine.
:01:25. > :01:31.Reviewing the news, that hard-bitten newspaper hack, George Osborne.
:01:32. > :01:34.And staunchly pro-Theresa May Toby Young of the Spectator.
:01:35. > :01:35.Plus, from the Guardian, a fully re-educated
:01:36. > :01:39.All that after the news, read this morning by Ben Thompson.
:01:40. > :01:45.The Democratic Unionist Party says it has had positive talks over
:01:46. > :01:48.a possible deal to support a Conservative minority government,
:01:49. > :01:51.but that no final agreement has yet been reached.
:01:52. > :01:53.Late last night, both the DUP and Downing Street
:01:54. > :01:55.released statements revealing that further discussions
:01:56. > :02:01.In a moment, we'll speak to our news correspondent, John Campbell,
:02:02. > :02:04.But first, let's speak to our political correspondent,
:02:05. > :02:18.Confusion overnight. Is there or isn't there a deal? They're
:02:19. > :02:21.absolutely is confusion over the status of the deal. Last night we
:02:22. > :02:26.heard from Downing Street there had been an agreement on the principles
:02:27. > :02:30.of the deal for the DUP is to support the Conservative government
:02:31. > :02:34.on a confidence and supply bases, to vote with the Conservatives on key
:02:35. > :02:38.parliamentary votes like the budget. Then we heard from the DUP who said
:02:39. > :02:42.talks had been positive but they were ongoing next week. Downing
:02:43. > :02:51.Street issued a clarification that it was the case that the agreement
:02:52. > :02:54.was still being finalised. Where we are this morning is that the talks
:02:55. > :02:58.are very much in progress but certainly the confusion surrounding
:02:59. > :03:02.the status of the deal, Theresa May's vulnerability, reports in the
:03:03. > :03:06.papers this morning Boris Johnson is preparing to launch a leadership
:03:07. > :03:10.bid. He has strongly denied it is the case and said Theresa May has
:03:11. > :03:15.his 100% backing. Jeremy Corbyn thinking that is all to play for. He
:03:16. > :03:19.said, I can be Prime Minister. Suggestions Labour is preparing to
:03:20. > :03:24.vote down the Queen's Speech. That will be the first big test for
:03:25. > :03:28.Theresa May's government, if she manages to agree the deal with the
:03:29. > :03:32.DUP. A tricky time for her while this deal is still in motion.
:03:33. > :03:36.Over now to Belfast where we can speak to John Campbell.
:03:37. > :03:42.How is it being seen where you are? I was talking to Unionist voters on
:03:43. > :03:46.the streets yesterday and they were delighted. They think it gives the
:03:47. > :03:52.union greater power than it has had in a long time. The flip side of
:03:53. > :03:57.that is that nationalists are concerned. Sinn Fein, the main
:03:58. > :03:59.nationalist party, they issued a statement saying previous attempts
:04:00. > :04:04.to prop up Conservative governments failed. They perhaps hope it will be
:04:05. > :04:09.a transitory arrangement and one which could end in tears for the
:04:10. > :04:13.DUP. They have said it is time for the Irish government to make its
:04:14. > :04:17.voice heard and stand up for the rights of all citizens in Northern
:04:18. > :04:20.Ireland. It is worth thinking about what the Good Friday Agreement says
:04:21. > :04:24.about the role of the British Government in Northern Ireland. It
:04:25. > :04:29.underpins all politics here. It says the rule of the government should be
:04:30. > :04:33.one of rigorous impartiality. You might ask, how come the Government
:04:34. > :04:38.be rigorously impartial when it is completely dependent on the DUP for
:04:39. > :04:41.its existence? Cross-party talks aimed at reviving power-sharing in
:04:42. > :04:45.Northern Ireland are going to get under way tomorrow. The Conservative
:04:46. > :04:50.Secretary of State has chaired the talks till now, but how can he be an
:04:51. > :04:51.impartial chair if he is relying on the DUP, one of the participants in
:04:52. > :04:58.the talks? Thank you both. Scotland Yard has released pictures
:04:59. > :05:01.of the fake suicide belts worn The officer leading
:05:02. > :05:06.the investigation says it's the first time he's seen the tactic
:05:07. > :05:08.used in the UK. Last night, a week on from
:05:09. > :05:11.the attack, people visited bars and restaurants in the area
:05:12. > :05:32.in a show of unity and resilience. Officers say they were designed to
:05:33. > :05:35.cause maximum fear and people who confronted the attackers would have
:05:36. > :05:41.thought there was a real risk they could be caught in an explosion. As
:05:42. > :05:48.part of their investigation, police have spoken to 262 people from 19
:05:49. > :05:51.different countries, 78 are described as significant witnesses.
:05:52. > :05:55.Three people were killed as the attackers drove across London
:05:56. > :05:59.Bridge, five were stabbed to death in Borough Market. They were
:06:00. > :06:04.remembered last night in a show of defiance people flock to the bars
:06:05. > :06:08.and restaurants in the area. Still reflect upon it, obviously, and
:06:09. > :06:12.think about those people it happened to, but it does not stop me from
:06:13. > :06:18.coming out. You cannot not think about what happened. Wondering about
:06:19. > :06:22.what the mood would be like. But it is celebratory and fun. We stick
:06:23. > :06:27.together, that is what we do. That is what London is all about. In
:06:28. > :06:31.pubs, people are being encouraged to donate to the fundraising drive from
:06:32. > :06:35.the Red Cross to raise money for the victims of the attacks in London and
:06:36. > :06:39.Manchester. It is right that on the anniversary of what happened last
:06:40. > :06:44.weekend, the tragic events, that Londoners can go out and do what
:06:45. > :06:56.they do. Repairs are continuing to buildings damaged in the hunt for
:06:57. > :06:58.the killers. The police cordons have now been lifted, Southwark Cathedral
:06:59. > :07:00.is reopening. An effort to bring back a sense of normality to an area
:07:01. > :07:02.that has experienced so much suffering. Simon Jones, BBC News.
:07:03. > :07:22.You are up-to-date. The Observer is very excited,
:07:23. > :07:26.discredited, diminished. The May's premiership in peril. The Sunday
:07:27. > :07:33.Telegraph, not that much better for her. In office, but not in power, it
:07:34. > :07:40.says. A jibe famously used against John Major. The Sunday Times, five
:07:41. > :07:46.Cabinet ministers urge Boris to topple May. The Mail on Sunday goes
:07:47. > :07:52.with Boris set to launch bid to be PM as May clings on. Boris Johnson
:07:53. > :07:55.has replied, in a word I cannot use on a Sunday morning, they are
:07:56. > :08:06.roughly spherical and there are two on them -- of them. May's toxic
:08:07. > :08:11.aides resigned, the Sunday mirin newspaper has the interview with
:08:12. > :08:20.Jeremy Corbyn and it has the hideous Top Gear crashed from which Richard
:08:21. > :08:27.Hammond walked out of unscathed. I think that Boris's denial, using the
:08:28. > :08:30.word you just referred to, it is plausible. I do not think he is
:08:31. > :08:39.preparing to launch a leadership bid. It would look opportunistic.
:08:40. > :08:42.Too cack-handed? Within the party, there seems to be an appetite for
:08:43. > :08:46.doing what they can to support Theresa May in making sure she
:08:47. > :08:49.manages to stay on because if there was a leadership election within the
:08:50. > :08:52.Conservative Party, in all likelihood, there would be another
:08:53. > :08:57.general election and the risk would be that Jeremy Corbyn, having done
:08:58. > :09:01.much better than expected in the last general election... He could
:09:02. > :09:04.win this one? He could. No one wants to risk that and most of them do not
:09:05. > :09:18.want to risk Brexit either. I do not think there will be a
:09:19. > :09:21.leadership challenge. In time. Is there a real worry that looking at
:09:22. > :09:23.the arithmetic in the House of Commons, Brexit cannot be delivered
:09:24. > :09:26.in the form Theresa May wanted? It depends how closely the MPs stick to
:09:27. > :09:29.the manifesto. More than 80% of the British population have voted for
:09:30. > :09:33.two parties who want to take us out of the single market, the customs
:09:34. > :09:38.union and they want to end freedom of movement. There was ambiguity,
:09:39. > :09:42.front benches song from different hymn sheets, but they have
:09:43. > :09:48.definitely said they want to end freedom of movement. Only 11% of the
:09:49. > :09:51.British public actually voted for the pro-remain parties, the SNP and
:09:52. > :09:58.the Lib Dems. It does not seem there is a mandate for different kinds of
:09:59. > :10:03.Brexit. No immediate coup, but there was blood in the water. Theresa May
:10:04. > :10:08.is a dead woman walking. It is how long she will remain on death row.
:10:09. > :10:11.We will know very shortly. In other words, we could get to the middle of
:10:12. > :10:18.next week and it all collapses for her. If it does not, and I agree
:10:19. > :10:22.with Toby, many Tory MPs do not want a leadership contest right now, it
:10:23. > :10:25.will be delayed. Be no doubt, look at this weekend, the Leader of the
:10:26. > :10:33.Opposition coming on the programme as a victor and the Prime Minister
:10:34. > :10:35.who was supposed to have won that election, she is in hiding. It
:10:36. > :10:40.speaks volumes about what has gone on. Was that a small pot of you
:10:41. > :10:47.enjoying being a newspaper editor? -- part of you. If George Osborne
:10:48. > :10:52.had stayed in the House of Commons, it could have been you! I feel well
:10:53. > :10:56.out of it and I have enjoyed editing Evening Standard in the general
:10:57. > :11:01.election. I have been reading stories about Boris Johnson running
:11:02. > :11:03.a leadership campaign four years. He is in a permanent leadership
:11:04. > :11:10.campaign. I am not sure it qualifies as news. You might be saying it was
:11:11. > :11:16.your London Evening Standard that won it, that killed her. Your paper
:11:17. > :11:22.has been poisoned against Theresa May, wonderful to read. I relished
:11:23. > :11:26.it with total joy. Day after day. Attacks on Theresa May and look at
:11:27. > :11:31.the result. What is interesting to me, and I know she sacked you, but
:11:32. > :11:34.why do you hate her so much when she and Philip Hammond are following
:11:35. > :11:43.your economic policy down to the last minute? 12 billion cuts of
:11:44. > :11:47.benefits, continuing cuts on health, education. Let us look at reducing
:11:48. > :11:53.the size of the state in the red book on the same as yours, right
:11:54. > :11:59.down to 36% of GDP, they are George Osborne fans. I don't hate them. The
:12:00. > :12:05.Evening Standard will attack left and right, it will... Some of the
:12:06. > :12:11.other newspapers, frankly, have dug themselves into positions. The
:12:12. > :12:14.Evening Standard can see there are challenges both to what Jeremy
:12:15. > :12:19.Corbyn and the Labour Party are saying and to what Theresa May and
:12:20. > :12:22.the Conservative Party are saying. I completely reject it, you read our
:12:23. > :12:29.editorials, look at the news coverage at the top I read them with
:12:30. > :12:33.delight! I am speaking and the paper is speaking for a consistent view,
:12:34. > :12:37.Britain should be open, optimistic, outward looking to the world,
:12:38. > :12:40.socially liberal, pro-business, economically liberal, and that is
:12:41. > :12:45.the position I advocated in government and it is the position I
:12:46. > :12:52.advocate as a newspaper editor. The view is you have become the
:12:53. > :12:59.honourable member from that county of embittered shire. The only
:13:00. > :13:03.newspaper editor that went against me, the majority of what the readers
:13:04. > :13:06.would do... Precisely because these questions have to be asked in
:13:07. > :13:12.Britain today and I think there is a big role for the media in doing what
:13:13. > :13:16.the country needs which is providing strong analysis, hard facts and I am
:13:17. > :13:21.someone who spent years getting the Conservative Party back into office,
:13:22. > :13:25.winning in seats like Bath, Brighton, Oxford West. I am angry,
:13:26. > :13:28.like many Conservatives, that we have gone backwards, we seem to be
:13:29. > :13:39.on doing the good work of the last ten years.
:13:40. > :13:44.And you think she is a dead woman walking. What did she say to you
:13:45. > :13:47.when she sacked you? She said I needed to get to know my party
:13:48. > :13:49.better. She has got to know the party pretty well. Lots of wonderful
:13:50. > :13:54.long reeds in the papers today. Tim Shipman. I think he is the guide you
:13:55. > :13:59.go to to find out what has been going on and I should point out that
:14:00. > :14:05.I am a great fan of the political cartoons, I have brought a great
:14:06. > :14:14.cartoonist to the Evening Standard. A fantastic cartoonist, this graphic
:14:15. > :14:19.picture of poor old Mrs May and Jeremy Corbyn relieving himself on
:14:20. > :14:27.her, the tradition of Gil Rae in the 21st century. Tim has the inside
:14:28. > :14:37.recriminations that have now erupted inside the campaign and you can see
:14:38. > :14:42.what is left of the Mayites trying to blame Lynton Crosby. They are
:14:43. > :14:46.professionals will stop the idea they are responsible for Mrs May's
:14:47. > :14:50.failure to communicate or the disaster of the manifesto, it
:14:51. > :14:56.strikes me as trying to blame other people for your own mistakes. And in
:14:57. > :14:59.the body of that, there is talk about the Boris Johnson machine
:15:00. > :15:05.getting going, it is always going, as you say. Permanent leadership
:15:06. > :15:09.campaign. Also attacks on David Davis, perhaps a more plausible
:15:10. > :15:13.future leader. Saying he was responsible for calling the
:15:14. > :15:19.election. Probably unfair. I have been in my adult life and adviser
:15:20. > :15:24.and a front line politician and you cannot just blame the advisers. In
:15:25. > :15:27.the end, the only person who decides to have a general election is the
:15:28. > :15:31.Prime Minister and the only person who decides what is in the manifesto
:15:32. > :15:35.ultimately is the Prime Minister. I am all for making sure you have got
:15:36. > :15:40.the best team around you and there have been some changes in Downing
:15:41. > :15:43.Street and very smart new chief of staff, Gavin Barwell, widely liked
:15:44. > :15:47.across the Conservative Party including by me. I thought it was
:15:48. > :15:54.interesting, Tim's piece, it ends up reminding us when Charles I, another
:15:55. > :15:59.history graduate, Charles I fired Strafford, thinking it would keep
:16:00. > :16:05.the dogs at bay and it didn't and... Back to death row. What made the
:16:06. > :16:08.Tory party cross was when Theresa May return to Downing Street and
:16:09. > :16:15.never mentioned the many good MPs who had lost seats, Simon Kirby,
:16:16. > :16:19.others, the Tory Party, I was watching as a Conservative Party
:16:20. > :16:20.member, absolutely furious there was no acknowledgement of the suffering
:16:21. > :16:30.and loss that had been caused. Let's go to the Daily Mirror
:16:31. > :16:36.interview with Jeremy Corbyn. A remarkable piece. Indeed it is,
:16:37. > :16:41.there is a man who is delighted with the result. All around there are
:16:42. > :16:47.people, myself included, eating humble pie who thought he could
:16:48. > :16:52.never do it. But he has not done it, and he clearly thinks there might be
:16:53. > :16:58.an election in a year, but he could be in number ten. He suggested
:16:59. > :17:00.putting down an alternative Queens speech and defeating the
:17:01. > :17:05.Conservative Party in the House of Commons quite soon, which seems on
:17:06. > :17:09.the numbers had to pull off. Yes, it is hard to pull off. I am sure he
:17:10. > :17:16.would make a terrific queen's speech. But he has acquired a new
:17:17. > :17:20.confidence and he swept through this election looking cheerful, in
:17:21. > :17:26.control, and campaigning is what he does best. It was the opposite of
:17:27. > :17:31.Theresa May's Glam bucket performance. Toby Young. There is
:17:32. > :17:38.triumphalism on the part of Jeremy Corbyn and labour and it sticks in
:17:39. > :17:42.my crop. I bet it does. Theresa May and the Conservatives got 13.7
:17:43. > :17:49.million which is a higher percentage of the popular vote and a higher
:17:50. > :17:56.number of voters. It is almost as if Tranmere Rovers were beaten 4-3
:17:57. > :18:02.instead of losing 4-0 and they are celebrating as if they won the FA
:18:03. > :18:06.Cup. A lot of these numbers are dodgy to say the least, it is a
:18:07. > :18:13.bigger electorate, nevertheless your point is taken. Polly, I want to
:18:14. > :18:19.move on to the DUP. The imminent news is about this deal with 330,000
:18:20. > :18:23.voters for the DUP in total and now they will have to hand over the
:18:24. > :18:27.British Government. Extraordinary that the Conservative Party is in
:18:28. > :18:33.hock with the Orange order. A lot of these DUP members belong to the
:18:34. > :18:36.Orange order, utterly disgraceful. The Good Friday Agreement, lodged
:18:37. > :18:42.with the UN, commits the British Government to be totally neutral.
:18:43. > :18:45.The Secretary of State for Northern Ireland is the arbiter and instead
:18:46. > :18:49.they are in hock to one side. How were they ever put this back
:18:50. > :18:53.together again? What short memory, how easily the troubles could be
:18:54. > :18:59.started again and how easily this could be unpicked. It is most
:19:00. > :19:04.irresponsible. Topping about short memories, Gordon Brown in 2008 in
:19:05. > :19:08.order to get the terror bill through, relied on the support of
:19:09. > :19:17.the DUP and made a deal with the DUP. Not in order to stay in power.
:19:18. > :19:23.You spent a lot of time with David Cameron, quote, detoxifying and are
:19:24. > :19:28.you concerned when you see them getting so close to a party that has
:19:29. > :19:34.got very strong views on gay marriage and women's rights? Is this
:19:35. > :19:38.dangerous? I reject all of those fees personally. The Tory party does
:19:39. > :19:44.not have any options because no other party will deal with them. It
:19:45. > :19:47.is different to 2010 when I was negotiating a coalition with David
:19:48. > :19:51.Cameron when we had the Liberal Democrats as a partner. But there is
:19:52. > :19:55.a big difference between the coalition and a supply and
:19:56. > :20:01.confidence arrangement. We welcome onto that. In 2010 we wanted a
:20:02. > :20:05.permanent arrangement that would secure a majority on everything we
:20:06. > :20:10.brought to Parliament. Supply and confidence means you are at the whim
:20:11. > :20:15.of every vote and what the DUP decides to do. The budget is not
:20:16. > :20:18.agreed by the DUP. All they will do is make sure the government takes
:20:19. > :20:23.over every year and you have to negotiate every line and item in the
:20:24. > :20:26.budget with them. If they want to pull their confidence they can do
:20:27. > :20:32.it. It is a very unstable arrangement. We are running out of
:20:33. > :20:41.time and we need to talk about Ruth Davidson. Ruth Davidson... She is a
:20:42. > :20:48.source of instability. She is not a source of instability, she is the
:20:49. > :20:51.heroine of a party. If she had not won those seats, they would not be a
:20:52. > :20:56.Conservative government and Jeremy Corbyn would be in Downing Street.
:20:57. > :20:59.But the interesting thing about her if she is now flexing her muscles
:21:00. > :21:04.and the most significant thing she is flexing their muscles on is
:21:05. > :21:08.Brexit. This article in the Sunday Telegraph draws our attention to the
:21:09. > :21:13.fact she has said she now wants to prioritise the economy and free
:21:14. > :21:17.trade over immigration in the negotiations around Brexit. I
:21:18. > :21:21.completely agree with you. If that is her view, I do not think that is
:21:22. > :21:25.a majority now in the House of commons for the kind of hard Brexit
:21:26. > :21:29.that basically is a route to political ruin for the Tory party,
:21:30. > :21:34.but more importantly is the real roots to trouble for the country as
:21:35. > :21:37.a whole. If the Ruth Davidson ands of this world are starting to flex
:21:38. > :21:43.their muscles, that is in my view only a good thing. It is possible,
:21:44. > :21:48.as George says, there is not any longer a majority in the House of
:21:49. > :21:52.commons for the type of Brexit Theresa May wanted. If that is the
:21:53. > :21:56.case, it will be because MPs are not going to do what they said they
:21:57. > :21:59.would do about Brexit in the manifesto. In both Labour and
:22:00. > :22:02.Conservative manifesto is a committed to ending freedom of
:22:03. > :22:09.movement. It will be difficult for the Remainers... The DUP and Brexit.
:22:10. > :22:13.The DUP need a deal because they are committed to not having a hard
:22:14. > :22:19.border with the Republic of Ireland. Theresa May's central claim which is
:22:20. > :22:26.no deal is better than a bad deal is not deliverable because the DUP will
:22:27. > :22:32.never allow no deal. It was Theresa May's strategy to try and secure as
:22:33. > :22:37.soft border. It is blown apart because there is not a Parliamentary
:22:38. > :22:42.majority for no deal. This is fascinating, we are about to run out
:22:43. > :22:46.of time. We must mention Lord Heseltine and he is suggesting the
:22:47. > :22:49.EU could offer Britain the kind of deal on immigration they would not
:22:50. > :22:54.offer David Cameron and we could stay inside the EU. I agree with a
:22:55. > :22:59.lot of what Michael says today and I wish he would write on this. My
:23:00. > :23:03.conversations with my colleagues in Europe, my former colleagues, I do
:23:04. > :23:07.not think they are going to offer this. What they will offer Britain
:23:08. > :23:12.is membership of the European Economic Area, a bit like Norway,
:23:13. > :23:16.and that is a holding position, perhaps for a long period of time
:23:17. > :23:22.while Britain tries to work out what it once out of the vote last year to
:23:23. > :23:27.leave the EU. Polly, how long do you give Theresa May? I do not think she
:23:28. > :23:32.can last a year. By the time we get to the Tory party conference we will
:23:33. > :23:35.see a party in total disarray. We were all waiting for the Labour
:23:36. > :23:41.Party conference bloodbath and now it is the other way round. If she
:23:42. > :23:45.can do a deal with the DUP, even if it is confidence and supply, I can
:23:46. > :23:50.see her lasting until we exit the EU because no one wants to be in the
:23:51. > :23:51.driving seat while the deal is done. Thank you all very much, absolutely
:23:52. > :23:54.Thank you all very much, absolutely gripping stuff.
:23:55. > :23:56.So, lots of questions for the EU negotiators too.
:23:57. > :23:58.Guy Verhofstadt is the chief negotiator
:23:59. > :24:07.The Dutch MEP, Sophie Int Veld, is his deputy.
:24:08. > :24:19.Can I ask you know what is the view from Brussels? The clock is ticking,
:24:20. > :24:25.Brexit is going to happen, is it not? Well, it is. Theresa May has
:24:26. > :24:30.triggered the procedure, it has started. We have a period of two
:24:31. > :24:33.years with a possible extension of one year but that would be
:24:34. > :24:39.complicated because that would require the unanimous consent of all
:24:40. > :24:44.27 other member states. The EU has been ready to negotiate for some
:24:45. > :24:48.time now. We are waiting for the UK and we hope that we can start on
:24:49. > :24:54.time and follow the timetable that has been set. All this loose talk
:24:55. > :24:59.about a hard Brexit and a soft Brexit, from the EU's point of view
:25:00. > :25:04.you want to do a deal that ensures Britain is in a worse position than
:25:05. > :25:10.now and you want a hard Brexit? We do not want the UK to be in a worse
:25:11. > :25:13.position. We regret Brexit. I personally would have preferred the
:25:14. > :25:18.UK to remain on board but the British people have voted and we
:25:19. > :25:23.have to deal with it. We agree with Theresa May on one thing, Brexit is
:25:24. > :25:27.Brexit. You cannot have your cake and eat it. Either you are a member
:25:28. > :25:32.of the EU or you are not. But we will have to work together, we will
:25:33. > :25:37.still be neighbours, we still have shared interests. We feel that
:25:38. > :25:43.whatever, hard Brexit or soft Brexit, we need to negotiate as
:25:44. > :25:46.friends and good neighbours. We are not enemies or antagonists. We all
:25:47. > :25:51.have an interest in a good outcome to the negotiations. Clearly the
:25:52. > :25:55.British side is in some disarray because of the election campaign. Is
:25:56. > :26:02.there anyway we can buy more time for these talks? The treaties are
:26:03. > :26:07.very clear. There is a period of two years starting on the day that
:26:08. > :26:13.Article 50 is triggered. That was the 29th of March. It will be the
:26:14. > :26:17.29th of March, 2019. There is a provision that there can be a
:26:18. > :26:22.one-year extension but that requires unanimity, so that will be
:26:23. > :26:26.difficult. I think it is a bit early to start talking about extensions. I
:26:27. > :26:33.think it is time we all sat down to start the work. I would really
:26:34. > :26:37.hope... Clearly the election did not produce the outcome that Theresa May
:26:38. > :26:41.expected. We just have to wait and see what kind of government will be
:26:42. > :26:47.formed, whatever the government will be. I think as an outsider, of
:26:48. > :26:51.course I cannot tell the British what to do, but we really hope for a
:26:52. > :26:57.government that can command a and stable majority, a kind of
:26:58. > :27:03.government that has national unity in order to negotiate a deal that is
:27:04. > :27:06.best for the UK and the EU. In simple terms what would happen if
:27:07. > :27:12.the British Parliament decided it did not want to go ahead with
:27:13. > :27:15.Brexit? Nobody knows really, that is uncharted territory. It is not
:27:16. > :27:22.really foreseen. If the Brits were to reconsider, and I do not think
:27:23. > :27:27.that would happen, but were they to reconsider I suppose we could talk.
:27:28. > :27:32.But membership of the EU, there are certain rules you have to comply
:27:33. > :27:35.with and that goes for any member of the European Union. That still
:27:36. > :27:39.Absolutely fascinating, thank you for joining us.
:27:40. > :27:43.Extraordinary drenching rain and high winds
:27:44. > :27:45.as we struggled to vote, and then, bright sunshine,
:27:46. > :27:47.in parts of Britain at least, after the result.
:27:48. > :27:50.But let's not go all pathetic fallacy about it, shall we?
:27:51. > :27:58.I'm joined by Philip Avery in the BBC weather studio.
:27:59. > :28:04.What a build-up. Time for a bit of quiet contemplation. That is the way
:28:05. > :28:10.it could have been this morning if you happen to be in East Sussex. But
:28:11. > :28:15.already signs of something a good deal more turbulence as Andrew might
:28:16. > :28:20.put it across Scotland and Northern Ireland. For here, the first signs
:28:21. > :28:24.of showers, keeping the atmosphere very unstable. This afternoon I
:28:25. > :28:28.would not be surprised to see thundery showers breaking out on the
:28:29. > :28:32.western side of Scotland and Northern Ireland. Further south and
:28:33. > :28:37.east it is a drier and finer prospect, but the pollen levels are
:28:38. > :28:42.very high and also the UV levels, especially in the South eastern
:28:43. > :28:48.quarter. Overnight that low-pressure closes on the north of Britain,
:28:49. > :28:52.keeping the showers going. That is not the only effect of that system.
:28:53. > :28:56.Tomorrow morning if you are commuting in the central parts of
:28:57. > :29:01.Scotland the wind gusts could be in excess of 40 miles an hour and that
:29:02. > :29:05.could cause problems. Away from the showers of northern Scotland and
:29:06. > :29:09.northern England there will be a lot of dry weather around. Hopefully
:29:10. > :29:13.this cloud will break up and it will push the temperatures up to 20 or
:29:14. > :29:18.That is the future of British weather.
:29:19. > :29:20.We've been talking about Lord Heseltine.
:29:21. > :29:31.You have written an article in which you suggest that the EU could offer
:29:32. > :29:36.Britain a new deal on emigrating, the kind of deal they did not offer
:29:37. > :29:40.David Cameron and that could keep us inside the EU in some respect. Would
:29:41. > :29:45.there not need to be a second referendum for that to happen? It
:29:46. > :29:50.could be, but it could be another general election. We are going to
:29:51. > :29:56.face another general election anyway in the context of the Brexit
:29:57. > :30:01.elections. The problem now, put very simply, is that Brexit is the cancer
:30:02. > :30:05.gnawing at the heart of the Conservative Party. There is a lot
:30:06. > :30:10.of talk of changing leader and it may well come to that, but it is not
:30:11. > :30:16.about changing just the leader, it is changing the policy. Why I think
:30:17. > :30:19.it needs a period of contemplation by particularly the Parliamentary
:30:20. > :30:25.party is to let them think through who and what is going to be the
:30:26. > :30:30.argument of the Conservative Party that. Jeremy Corbyn being Prime
:30:31. > :30:37.Minister in a couple of years from time. It is as as that.
:30:38. > :30:44.My own view, in contrast to the European spokesman who talk about
:30:45. > :30:48.the need for stability there is no stability, there is no united view
:30:49. > :30:53.and there is not going to be in the present circumstances. We have a
:30:54. > :30:58.government at the mercy of events and of parliamentary votes and the
:30:59. > :31:05.DUP arrangement with it, comes or doesn't come, we do not know, it is
:31:06. > :31:11.inherently unstable certainly. How do you feel about the DUP? I am
:31:12. > :31:15.closer to Ruth Davidson than Arlene Foster and I think that will apply
:31:16. > :31:19.to large numbers of the Conservative Party. It is just not a stable
:31:20. > :31:23.relationship. It may keep together for a short period of time, but
:31:24. > :31:27.there are great weaknesses in the argument, but it might keep the
:31:28. > :31:32.Government there for a bit but I do not think there is any mood for a
:31:33. > :31:35.new general election, certainly not from the Conservatives, not from the
:31:36. > :31:40.Scottish Nationalists and Corbyn can afford to wait. He knows, we all
:31:41. > :31:45.know, we are in for two things. An economy which is not going to
:31:46. > :31:52.improve in the immediate future. And secondly, the ongoing controversy of
:31:53. > :31:56.Brexit which will reveal just how exposed the British Government is in
:31:57. > :32:00.this negotiation, so he can wait and in the end, by-elections will give
:32:01. > :32:05.him what he needs when the public mood will be clamouring for change.
:32:06. > :32:09.You have seen prime ministers come and go including female prime
:32:10. > :32:14.ministers in the past, how much longer do you think this Prime
:32:15. > :32:19.Minister has? That is the sort of stuff that we should not get
:32:20. > :32:25.preoccupied by. Kind of important. If I could advise Mrs May, I would
:32:26. > :32:29.say that one great service you could do to this party is to allow the
:32:30. > :32:36.party that time to decide its future direction. Whether she would then
:32:37. > :32:40.revert to their views she held before the referendum or stick to
:32:41. > :32:45.the ones after the referendum on Brexit, I cannot tell you, but the
:32:46. > :32:50.fact is, if the Tory Party does not lance the boil of Brexit, then you
:32:51. > :32:56.are opening the doors for Corbyn's premiership. I disagree with the
:32:57. > :33:07.European spokesman saying that the process is under way, that is
:33:08. > :33:10.bureaucratic mumbo jumbo. People who influence Europe are Angela Merkel
:33:11. > :33:14.and Emmanuel Macron, and if they were persuaded that there was a
:33:15. > :33:19.genuine British view about immigration that could meet their
:33:20. > :33:22.own experiences domestically, then I believe the right leader of the
:33:23. > :33:29.Conservative Party could find a deal which would keep us within the
:33:30. > :33:33.European family, but deal with the issue of immigration which is the
:33:34. > :33:37.underlying source of anxiety. A lot of people will be listening and
:33:38. > :33:41.saying, there he goes again, unreconciled remainer rubbing his
:33:42. > :33:48.hands over the chaos and hoping somehow after a clear referendum
:33:49. > :33:55.result we can reverse and we cannot. You have just described the
:33:56. > :33:59.Brexiteers over the last 30 years, they went on and on and on. I think
:34:00. > :34:05.my democratic rights is to do just what they did and to follow Nigel
:34:06. > :34:10.Farage's advice, when he thought he was going to lose the referendum, he
:34:11. > :34:16.said, there will have to be a second referendum. Nicola Sturgeon having
:34:17. > :34:20.lost, she is... She was until the election talking of a second
:34:21. > :34:25.referendum. It is Parliament that is sovereign in this country. They have
:34:26. > :34:29.the power and there is nothing sacrosanct about saying a Labour
:34:30. > :34:34.government has won a mandate, we must get on our knees and thank God.
:34:35. > :34:38.I spent my life fighting the decisions of the elected Labour
:34:39. > :34:42.governments, in many cases, we won, it is a matter of personal
:34:43. > :34:49.integrity, national self-interest and sticking to your convictions.
:34:50. > :34:52.Lord Heseltine, fascinating to talk to you, thank you.
:34:53. > :34:54.Listening to that, the Defence Secretary
:34:55. > :34:56.in what is still Theresa May's government, Sir Michael Fallon.
:34:57. > :35:03.Was it a mistake to call the selection? No, I think the Prime
:35:04. > :35:06.Minister was right to ask for a bigger majority to open up Brexit
:35:07. > :35:11.negotiations and to build a stronger, fairer Britain beyond
:35:12. > :35:15.that. She did not have an elected mandate herself. She wanted a bigger
:35:16. > :35:19.majority. But has not transpired and now we have to make the best of it.
:35:20. > :35:25.She is entirely responsible for this, she made the election about
:35:26. > :35:36.her, it is meat, meat, meat, lots of the country no, no. -- me, me, me.
:35:37. > :35:42.It has been irresponsible. The Cabinet supported her in the
:35:43. > :35:47.election campaign. It is your fault? We all take responsibility. She has
:35:48. > :35:51.won 56 seats more than Labour, the biggest share of the vote for 34
:35:52. > :35:55.years, it was not the big majority she wanted, that we wanted, and we
:35:56. > :36:00.now have to make the best of it. There is no other party that has any
:36:01. > :36:07.legitimacy or credibility in forming a government. We will now form that
:36:08. > :36:10.government with the support of the DUP. Do you believe you won this
:36:11. > :36:14.election? Clearly we did not get the large majority we wanted. We have
:36:15. > :36:17.the largest majority of seats and under the constitution it is our
:36:18. > :36:21.duty in the national interest to form a government, we are the only
:36:22. > :36:26.legitimate party to do that and we will do that. Theresa May said at
:36:27. > :36:30.the beginning of the campaign, if I lose just six seats, I will lose
:36:31. > :36:34.this election. How many seats did you lose? Look, we did not get the
:36:35. > :36:36.majority in the selection, of course, but we had most seats, the
:36:37. > :36:50.biggest share of the vote, and it falls on
:36:51. > :36:52.us... You had a majority and now you do not. Of course. We fully
:36:53. > :36:55.understand the result of the election and we understand what
:36:56. > :36:57.people are saying to us. The Queen's business must be carried on. Brexit
:36:58. > :37:00.negotiations opening in a few days' time. We have to continue to build a
:37:01. > :37:03.strong economy. It falls on us to build a government in the national
:37:04. > :37:08.interest and that is what we are working with friends in the DUP to
:37:09. > :37:12.do. The selection process has made the situation much worse and it was
:37:13. > :37:16.partly because of the way the campaign was conducted. Did you feel
:37:17. > :37:19.in the campaign the Prime Minister and other ministers were being
:37:20. > :37:24.robotic, not answering questions properly, not engaging with the
:37:25. > :37:27.British people in a vigorous conversation we expect? The Prime
:37:28. > :37:33.Minister travelled thousands of miles... It is what she did when she
:37:34. > :37:38.got there. She took more questions from the public. She did not answer
:37:39. > :37:42.them. She did the television interviews and so on. We understand
:37:43. > :37:46.the result, it was not the result we wanted, but now we have to make the
:37:47. > :37:55.best of it and that is the work facing us this week and that is the
:37:56. > :37:57.work we will complete. You say you understand what changes as a result
:37:58. > :38:01.of that understanding? What do you do differently? It requires a
:38:02. > :38:05.different approach. You have seen changes in personnel in Number 10.
:38:06. > :38:10.Do you welcome that? Of course. We are going to see more collective, I
:38:11. > :38:19.hope, decision-making in the Cabinet. We have made that clear to
:38:20. > :38:23.her. I think we will also see her working more closely with the
:38:24. > :38:26.Parliament to party, in the conduct of business and development of
:38:27. > :38:31.policy. You have said to the Prime Minister and your colleagues have
:38:32. > :38:35.said, you want to turn the traditional Cabinet government
:38:36. > :38:40.rather than government by advisers and you want more listening to the
:38:41. > :38:44.1922 Committee? I am not going into the private conversations we have
:38:45. > :38:47.had with the Prime Minister, but I think she absolutely understands a
:38:48. > :38:51.minority government will require a different approach, a more
:38:52. > :38:55.collective approach, and she will want to work very closely with the
:38:56. > :38:59.1922 Committee, with the backbenchers, not just on the
:39:00. > :39:04.conduct of business, but also on the development of new policy. The
:39:05. > :39:10.Cabinet is back? We have always had Cabinet government. We have had good
:39:11. > :39:14.discussions. A minority government will require a different approach
:39:15. > :39:20.and an even more collective approach than we had. How is the Prime
:39:21. > :39:24.Minister? Obviously, on Friday, she was... She had been up most of the
:39:25. > :39:28.night, like the rest of us. Reports she was in floods of tears when the
:39:29. > :39:34.results came in. I do not know about that. She was also during the
:39:35. > :39:39.campaign Prime Minister and I and other senior colleagues have had to
:39:40. > :39:43.deal with... We had the terrorist attacks, ongoing security issues,
:39:44. > :39:46.she has had to go on running the business of government as well as
:39:47. > :39:50.leading the campaign. I hope she will be catching up on some sleep
:39:51. > :39:55.now, but getting on with the work to date of forming a new government and
:39:56. > :39:58.cementing the alliance with the DUP. Let us come onto that directly, are
:39:59. > :40:05.you trying to do a formal coalition with the DUP? No, this is what is
:40:06. > :40:08.traditionally called a confidence and supply arrangement whereby the
:40:09. > :40:12.DUP will support us on the big things like voting for the Queen's
:40:13. > :40:17.Speech, making sure the budget and the finance goes through, they
:40:18. > :40:22.support us on defence, on the big issues, they will support us. George
:40:23. > :40:26.Osborne suggested it would be chaotic because line by line, they
:40:27. > :40:31.will be arguing about things. George is enjoying his job as a commentator
:40:32. > :40:35.rather than a player on the pitch. We have to deal with the situation
:40:36. > :40:38.in the House of Commons we have now, a minority government, but we will
:40:39. > :40:43.be working extremely closely with the DUP, we have already started
:40:44. > :40:48.working on outline proposals so we form a government with their
:40:49. > :40:59.support. Can I ask you, have you got an agreement? No, we are working on
:41:00. > :41:02.proposals, pretty surprising if we had an agreement in a single day.
:41:03. > :41:04.Last night when the BBC and the press Association phoned Downing
:41:05. > :41:06.Street, we were told, there was an agreement. A few hours later, not
:41:07. > :41:11.sure. A long silence from the DUP. Midnight, there is no agreement. It
:41:12. > :41:15.already sounds, to coin a phrase, like a coalition of chaos. It would
:41:16. > :41:19.be surprising if something as important and complex as this was
:41:20. > :41:25.stitched together in a single day of talks in Belfast. Both sides have
:41:26. > :41:28.got to work through. Now we have an understanding of the outline
:41:29. > :41:32.proposals that would underpin the working agreement. This is a crucial
:41:33. > :41:39.agreement, will the public get to see it? Will you publish it? You
:41:40. > :41:44.will see outline proposals. It will be published? They will support us
:41:45. > :41:48.on big issues. They will be asking for stuff as well, they will not do
:41:49. > :41:52.it for nothing. We need to know what they will ask from you and whether
:41:53. > :41:57.you will give it to them. They will explain their approach to the
:41:58. > :42:01.negotiations as well. I am not party to the negotiations. They will
:42:02. > :42:05.support us on the big issues, security and economic issues, that
:42:06. > :42:09.face this country and they will help us go into the Brexit negotiations
:42:10. > :42:19.and get the outcome Britain wants. These are your new close friends.
:42:20. > :42:22.Are you riposte by gay people? Let us be very clear, just because they
:42:23. > :42:24.are going to support us, they are agreeing to support us on the
:42:25. > :42:27.economic issues, and security issues facing this country, it does not
:42:28. > :42:31.mean we now agree with all of their views, we do not. You do not agree
:42:32. > :42:36.with that? Your Newnham College comic Ian Paisley Jr, I am pretty
:42:37. > :42:46.riposte by gaze and lesbianism, I think it is wrong. -- your new
:42:47. > :42:48.colleague, Ian Paisley Jr, I am pretty riposte. You are now in
:42:49. > :42:54.alliance with a party which is extremely socially conservative and
:42:55. > :42:58.very different from the party David Cameron and George Osborne were
:42:59. > :43:02.trying to fashion. We are not in government or coalition with the
:43:03. > :43:06.DUP. They are going to support us on the crucial economic and security
:43:07. > :43:10.issues facing this country. We do not agree and we do not have to
:43:11. > :43:15.agree with any of their views on some of these social issues and I
:43:16. > :43:18.certainly do not. Crucial economic and security issues, another big
:43:19. > :43:28.issue is the Northern Ireland peace process and into that peace process
:43:29. > :43:31.is written the British governing has to be a neutral arbiter between the
:43:32. > :43:34.two sides, you have to be fair and in the middle. How can you be that
:43:35. > :43:37.if you are relying on the DUP for your very existence? We have already
:43:38. > :43:41.had a friendship with the DUP going back many years. We have already had
:43:42. > :43:45.a close relationship with the DUP, we have more in common with them
:43:46. > :43:50.than the other parties. The DUP themselves want to return an
:43:51. > :43:54.executive to Northern Ireland, they have every interest in getting an
:43:55. > :43:58.agreement with the other Northern Ireland parties and we will continue
:43:59. > :44:02.to work on that to bring stability to Northern Ireland. They have very
:44:03. > :44:06.different views not only on social issues, and we know Ruth Davidson
:44:07. > :44:11.tweeted she had given a speech on gay marriage in Belfast after the
:44:12. > :44:15.deal was announced, I wonder why she did that, a lot of people worried
:44:16. > :44:19.about their social views, even if you are not. We do not share their
:44:20. > :44:23.views on some of the social issues and we do not have to do. We're not
:44:24. > :44:28.changing our policy on any of that. They are going to support us on the
:44:29. > :44:32.very big Brexit, economic and security issues facing this country,
:44:33. > :44:42.it does not mean we have to agree with some of the stuff you have read
:44:43. > :44:45.out. We do not agree with it. Let us carry on reading stuff out. You have
:44:46. > :44:47.been very strong in your views on Jeremy Corbyn and his connection
:44:48. > :44:52.with terrorism the DUP is supported by people like the red hand commando
:44:53. > :44:55.is, do you regard those people as terrorists as well? The DUP has been
:44:56. > :45:02.part of the democratic process in Northern Ireland. So has Sinn Fein.
:45:03. > :45:06.They have been part of it, they want a settlement in Northern Ireland,
:45:07. > :45:10.they supported the formation of the executive and they want it back at
:45:11. > :45:14.Stormont governing Northern Ireland. They are part of the democratic
:45:15. > :45:17.process now, whatever happened in the past. Are you not slightly
:45:18. > :45:22.uneasy about continuing links with those kinds of groups? They are
:45:23. > :45:25.committed to stability and peace in Northern Ireland, they have been
:45:26. > :45:29.part of that negotiating process for many years, they want to bring peace
:45:30. > :45:34.to Northern Ireland and that will be something we will be focusing on as
:45:35. > :45:38.well. One area where they definitely take a different view from the
:45:39. > :45:44.current government is over key aspects of Brexit, and it is not
:45:45. > :45:49.just them. Ruth Davidson, a great victory in Scotland, 13 Conservative
:45:50. > :45:52.MPs in Scotland, she wants, what is clear is the Conservative Party,
:45:53. > :45:56.having failed to win a majority, now needs to work with others and that
:45:57. > :45:57.means we can look again at what we hope to achieve as we leave the EU.
:45:58. > :46:08.Do you agree with that? The parties that wanted to frustrate
:46:09. > :46:12.Brexit with the SNP and the Liberal Democrats to some extent. They did
:46:13. > :46:18.not make any progress at the election. We want, as Ruth Davidson
:46:19. > :46:22.once, a successful Brexit that is a new partnership with Europe, that is
:46:23. > :46:27.careful about the trade we already do with Europe, that comes to some
:46:28. > :46:31.agreement on the immigration that we can accept from Europe, and that
:46:32. > :46:36.enables us to continue to pursue new markets elsewhere. Has there been a
:46:37. > :46:41.cabinet level discussion of any kind on slightly changing our view of
:46:42. > :46:48.Brexit? The new Cabinet will meet early next week. Our view of Brexit
:46:49. > :46:54.has not changed. We want an agreement that maximises our access
:46:55. > :46:56.to a single market, comes to an arrangement on immigration,
:46:57. > :47:01.continues the security co-operation we already have with Europe. A
:47:02. > :47:06.successful Brexit, an agreement that is in the interests of us and
:47:07. > :47:12.Europe. Have you got a majority in the House of commons for this? Yes,
:47:13. > :47:15.I think everybody wants to see an agreement in the end that respects
:47:16. > :47:20.what people voted for last year, to make sure that our cooperation with
:47:21. > :47:24.Europe continues, our trade with Europe continues and our security
:47:25. > :47:29.cooperation with Europe continues. Philip Hammond, who was in line to
:47:30. > :47:31.be sacked, has already said he wants more pro-business approach to the
:47:32. > :47:38.Brexit negotiations and things moving beneath the surface. I am not
:47:39. > :47:41.sure you were party to Philip's conversation with the Prime Minister
:47:42. > :47:47.and I was not. You would not be surprised. It is very important that
:47:48. > :47:52.we are careful about the existing Craig Beattie do with Europe, about
:47:53. > :48:00.access to the single market and whatever new arrangement we come to.
:48:01. > :48:03.It is also important we do not lose the cooperation between our
:48:04. > :48:07.intelligence organisations, our police forces and the security
:48:08. > :48:11.operations we have. We want a new partnership with Europe and we will
:48:12. > :48:15.be working hard for it. David Davies said, we want to leave the customs
:48:16. > :48:21.union and the single market but get access to them. That is what we put
:48:22. > :48:25.in front of people, we will see by tomorrow whether they have accepted
:48:26. > :48:30.that or not, that will be their decision. By and large they have not
:48:31. > :48:34.accepted that. The parties that wanted to frustrate the decision did
:48:35. > :48:40.not make any progress. The SNP did not make any progress at all. Could
:48:41. > :48:44.you talk to the Labour Party? They have taken a more nuanced approach
:48:45. > :48:48.in terms of getting a grand coalition view representing 84% of
:48:49. > :48:53.the British electorate. Could you not talk to them and ensure there
:48:54. > :48:56.was a joint position? I welcome the point the Labour Party have shifted
:48:57. > :49:02.their view and do not seem to be calling for a new referendum. They,
:49:03. > :49:07.like us, want to have a successful Brexit and an agreement that works
:49:08. > :49:11.for us and the European Union, that does not jeopardise the jobs and
:49:12. > :49:17.trade we do with Europe, but still implements the overall result of the
:49:18. > :49:20.referendum last year. These are very uncertain times and this is an
:49:21. > :49:26.unfair question, but how long can Theresa May last as Prime Minister?
:49:27. > :49:29.We have a duty to form a government and get on with the Brexit
:49:30. > :49:34.negotiations, to continue the successful economic growth we have.
:49:35. > :49:38.She is our elected leader and I think you will find the
:49:39. > :49:41.Parliamentary party when it meets next week, the Parliamentary party
:49:42. > :49:46.will rally behind her and give her support in what is now a different
:49:47. > :49:51.situation, a minority government, but working in harness with the DUP.
:49:52. > :49:56.The former Chancellor of the described her as a dead woman
:49:57. > :50:02.walking. I do not agree with that. She won the biggest share of the
:50:03. > :50:06.vote since the 1987 election, for over 30 years. She did not achieve
:50:07. > :50:11.what we wanted, a bigger majority, but it is now her duty, with us, to
:50:12. > :50:15.form a government and to pilot this country through the Brexit
:50:16. > :50:18.negotiations. Thank you very much for coming on. So many other people
:50:19. > :50:22.And coming up at 10am here on BBC One, Andrew Neil
:50:23. > :50:24.presents a special edition of the Sunday Politics with guests
:50:25. > :50:26.including Dominic Raab for the Conservatives,
:50:27. > :50:27.and the Shadow Health Secretary, Jon Ashworth.
:50:28. > :50:30.That's straight after this programme at ten.
:50:31. > :50:33.It was by any standards a remarkable campaign.
:50:34. > :50:36.But it leaves Labour many seats short of actually being able
:50:37. > :50:41.What more can Jeremy Corbyn do to turn the effervescent politics
:50:42. > :50:47.of protest into the hard realities of power?
:50:48. > :50:54.He joins me now. Welcome. Good morning, you are looking very
:50:55. > :50:59.chipper. It is an night Sunday morning and what better place to
:51:00. > :51:02.spend it down with you? You say in the Sunday Mirror today that you
:51:03. > :51:08.could be Prime Minister very shortly. And you still expect to put
:51:09. > :51:14.down a Labour programme in the House of commons. I do not understand how
:51:15. > :51:17.that can happen given the numbers. Look, we have a chaotic situation
:51:18. > :51:22.with a government that sort the election on the basis of wanting a
:51:23. > :51:26.bigger mandate to bring stability to British politics and what have we
:51:27. > :51:30.got? A minority government relying on the DUP to try and get business
:51:31. > :51:36.to the House of commons when they have no agreeing positions on most
:51:37. > :51:40.issues. It is chaotic. We are quite ready and able to put forward a
:51:41. > :51:44.series programme which has massive support in this country. This
:51:45. > :51:50.election campaign turned around a great deal on the basis of an awful
:51:51. > :51:55.lot of people rejecting the politics of fear and instead embracing the
:51:56. > :51:59.politics of hope, that we can challenge austerity and we can share
:52:00. > :52:04.the wealth in this country a bit better. In terms of raw numbers, in
:52:05. > :52:08.terms of the way the system works, they got more votes and more seats
:52:09. > :52:12.than you did and if they conform some kind of government, they have
:52:13. > :52:17.the right to do that. It is very hard to see how you can stop them.
:52:18. > :52:22.They are trying to form a government at the moment, I have no idea what
:52:23. > :52:28.they will put into the Queen's speech. I have no idea what their
:52:29. > :52:33.stance is. I am clear on our stance, we fought this election campaign to
:52:34. > :52:37.oppose austerity, to start bringing fairness and justice, security for
:52:38. > :52:42.old people and real hope for young people. Surely the result has shown
:52:43. > :52:46.something very remarkable in British politics. Young people became
:52:47. > :52:52.engaged, older people joined in in that engagement. We had an
:52:53. > :52:55.incredible process, it was quite historic. But at the end of it you
:52:56. > :53:02.lost the election even though it was an extraordinary campaign. We did
:53:03. > :53:07.not win the election. I am totally optimistic person. We did not win
:53:08. > :53:13.the election, but we had an incredibly good result, particularly
:53:14. > :53:16.given the way many of our incredibly experienced commentators wrote us
:53:17. > :53:22.off a month ago. I am going to return to the numbers. You are
:53:23. > :53:27.welcome. You are going to put down and agreed alternative Queen's
:53:28. > :53:31.speech. We will put down a substantial amendment which will
:53:32. > :53:35.contain within the main points of our manifesto and we will invite the
:53:36. > :53:39.House to consider all the issues we put forward, Brexit, young people
:53:40. > :53:47.and austerity and as many other things. What will you say about
:53:48. > :53:51.Brexit? Jobs first and negotiate that as quickly as possible. But
:53:52. > :53:58.also to guarantee the rights of European Union nationals to remain
:53:59. > :54:01.in Britain. Immediately? We did that straight after the referendum last
:54:02. > :54:05.year albeit on a non-binding House of Commons vote. But bizarrely Boris
:54:06. > :54:12.Johnson supported the Labour vote on that occasion. Keir Starmer, your
:54:13. > :54:15.European spokesman, said it was an open question as to whether you
:54:16. > :54:21.would stay inside the single market and the customs union leave it. Do
:54:22. > :54:25.you have a clear position? Fundamentally it is protecting jobs
:54:26. > :54:29.and industry in Britain and maintaining that trading
:54:30. > :54:34.relationship. Could you stay inside the single market? The single market
:54:35. > :54:38.is a requirement of the EU membership and since we will not be
:54:39. > :54:44.members, they will have to be an arrangement made. You are clear we
:54:45. > :54:49.are leaving the EU? Absolutely. We want a tariff free access to the
:54:50. > :54:52.European market and we want to maintain very important university
:54:53. > :54:57.research collaboration with Europe and there is a whole host of
:54:58. > :55:03.European agencies, security, environment, which we wish to be
:55:04. > :55:07.part of. We will absolutely remain part of the European Convention on
:55:08. > :55:10.Human Rights and the European Court of Human Rights. We are not walking
:55:11. > :55:15.away from those vital post-war agreements that were made. Do you
:55:16. > :55:21.support the government on the so-called Great Repeal Bill? The
:55:22. > :55:25.Great Repeal Bill I suspect has now become history. I suspect we will
:55:26. > :55:30.have something different in a couple of weeks of' time. We will put
:55:31. > :55:33.forward a position which will negotiate tariff free access to the
:55:34. > :55:39.European market and legislate after that. You could come quite close to
:55:40. > :55:43.dominating the House of Commons if you could persuade Sinn Fein to take
:55:44. > :55:48.their seats. As it crossed your mind that you could have a conversation
:55:49. > :55:53.with them? I fully understand the many aspects of Irish history and I
:55:54. > :55:57.find Irish history absolutely fascinating and I have followed it,
:55:58. > :56:03.as you know, for a long time. I represent a constituency with a huge
:56:04. > :56:09.Irish number of constituents and I do not see them taking their seats.
:56:10. > :56:14.Unless you know something I do not. No, I am asking you. Ruth Davidson
:56:15. > :56:18.in Scotland has opened up the idea of the main parties sitting down
:56:19. > :56:25.together and enjoying a joint position on Brexit. Can you see that
:56:26. > :56:28.happening? I do not think there is a joint position because Theresa May
:56:29. > :56:32.has said all along that they will talk to Europe and if they do not
:56:33. > :56:38.agree they will set up a no tax haven on the shores of Europe. That
:56:39. > :56:41.is not on our agenda at all. We are putting forward a very clear view on
:56:42. > :56:47.the kind of relationship we want with Europe in the future. We have
:56:48. > :56:54.to challenge the social conservatism of the DUP and what price they are
:56:55. > :56:58.going to extract from Theresa May and the Conservatives in order to
:56:59. > :57:03.continue to support them. They say there is no agreement. The DUP have
:57:04. > :57:09.a very specific view on gay marriage on women's rights, on other things,
:57:10. > :57:13.they are not social liberals. They have a very specific view on the
:57:14. > :57:17.winter fuel payments and the welfare issues, where they are on your site
:57:18. > :57:23.rather than the Conservatives. We will see what happens. I have
:57:24. > :57:30.announced a hundred times that I have not done deals with anybody.
:57:31. > :57:33.Will we put our programme to Parliament, yes and that is what we
:57:34. > :57:38.will do. That is why we fought the election and that is why we had the
:57:39. > :57:42.biggest increase in labour support in the election since 1945 and
:57:43. > :57:47.something quite remarkable happened. Do you think we will have another
:57:48. > :57:51.election this year? It is quite possible we will have an election
:57:52. > :57:56.later this year or early next year. That might be a good thing because
:57:57. > :58:00.we cannot go on with a period of instability. We have the support and
:58:01. > :58:03.we are ready to fight another election campaign as soon as may be
:58:04. > :58:08.because we want to be able to serve the people of this country on the
:58:09. > :58:12.agenda we put forward which is transformative and has gained
:58:13. > :58:17.amazing levels of support. People were saying, why are my children
:58:18. > :58:22.worse off than I am? This election was not just about Brexit, there was
:58:23. > :58:26.something very different about it. It was challenging and economic
:58:27. > :58:30.consensus which has impoverished many people. It certainly was and
:58:31. > :58:35.now there is a strategic choice about how you lead the Labour Party
:58:36. > :58:38.going forward. You need to make one big job to achieve a parliamentary
:58:39. > :58:46.majority and govern as the Labour Party. On the one hand you could say
:58:47. > :58:51.the Momentum movement getting the younger voters out, the left of
:58:52. > :58:55.centre manifesto, that worked brilliantly, and that is how I will
:58:56. > :59:00.carry on. Or you could say, I want to open generously out to those
:59:01. > :59:04.people who gave me a horrible time over the last few years, all those
:59:05. > :59:09.Blairites who have been carping in the wings and who are now eating
:59:10. > :59:13.humble pie. Would you bring those people back in? Yvette Cooper and
:59:14. > :59:19.all the rest? Are they welcome back in? I am the most generous person in
:59:20. > :59:24.the world. Chuka Umunna, would you welcome him back in? I am not going
:59:25. > :59:34.to discuss my Shadow Cabinet on air with you. I am disappointed. Ever
:59:35. > :59:38.since I have become a leader I have reached out and there have been a
:59:39. > :59:43.few difficulties at times in the Parliamentary Labour Party, but
:59:44. > :59:46.let's put that behind us. The party came together around a brilliant
:59:47. > :59:49.manifesto and came together and fought this election and came
:59:50. > :59:55.together for a result that you and nobody else ever expected. A lot of
:59:56. > :00:00.people said, you, for the first time, are offering a real choice in
:00:01. > :00:04.British politics and it is infectious. What is the next stage
:00:05. > :00:12.of all of this. If you bring more people back in, you will heal the
:00:13. > :00:17.Labour Party. You are expecting an election quite soon, is the Labour
:00:18. > :00:23.Party ready for an election? It is a very expensive process. We do not
:00:24. > :00:28.have any big donors, we do not have billionaires, we raised millions of
:00:29. > :00:33.pounds from an average donation of ?22. Ordinary people with not very
:00:34. > :00:42.much money saw something in us which was transformative and different. We
:00:43. > :00:48.are ready any time. You said the one thing you feel is an early election,
:00:49. > :00:53.what is your message to Theresa May now? She fought the election on the
:00:54. > :01:00.basis she wanted a personal mandate. She said in Parliament, vote for me.
:01:01. > :01:05.I said for Labour, I did not say that. She needed that mandate in
:01:06. > :01:09.order to negotiate Brexit. She lost seats, she is in a minority
:01:10. > :01:12.government and is relying on the DUP which barely gives her a majority
:01:13. > :01:18.vote in the House of commons in order to survive. Is it credible
:01:19. > :01:22.that with all the issues facing our country, all the issues of
:01:23. > :01:25.inequality and justice and the Brexit talks, that you have a
:01:26. > :01:30.government that cannot gain a majority in the House of commons
:01:31. > :01:33.except by making a deal with a very socially conservative DUP. We need
:01:34. > :01:39.something more responsible than that. Is Jeremy Corbyn in this for
:01:40. > :01:44.Look at me, I have got youth on my side.
:01:45. > :01:46.But stay with us for more drama as we can now go straight