:00:08. > :00:11.Well, it's really been a tale of two audiences in the last few days -
:00:12. > :00:13.ecstatic for Jeremy Corbyn at Glastonbury, and stoney-faced
:00:14. > :00:24.That first audience, not in power, pumped up.
:00:25. > :00:32.unfortunately for us, in power and friendly?
:00:33. > :00:47.A year after the Brexit vote, nothing is more important
:00:48. > :00:55.The man at the heart of them, David Davis, joins us this morning.
:00:56. > :01:00.Meanwhile, Labour is determined to rip up austerity.
:01:01. > :01:07.And for taxpayers, how much might that cost?
:01:08. > :01:09.Debbie Abrahams, the party's Work and Pensions Secretary,
:01:10. > :01:16.And from hemlock to Sherlock.
:01:17. > :01:25.Andrew Scott on his stunning Hamlet and the mystery of Moriarty.
:01:26. > :01:31.Here's somebody on his own. They desperately lonely character.
:01:32. > :01:34.Sherlock Holmes has a friend, Watson, but Moriarty doesn't.
:01:35. > :01:36.And after an extraordinary week,
:01:37. > :01:43.reviewing the news today, Fraser Nelson, whose Spectator
:01:44. > :01:45.magazine has been reflecting on the retreat of the right,
:01:46. > :01:46.the Corbyn enthusiast, writer and commentator
:01:47. > :01:49.And to reflect on the quieter pleasures
:01:50. > :01:51.of the British summer, the legendary and now retiring
:01:52. > :01:56.All of that coming up, but first the news, read to us
:01:57. > :02:02.34 high rise buildings in England have failed fire safety
:02:03. > :02:06.The Government ordered urgent tests on around 600 buildings
:02:07. > :02:10.All samples examined so far have failed to meet safety standards.
:02:11. > :02:12.In North London, residents spent a second night in temporary
:02:13. > :02:14.accommodation after Camden Council evacuated four high rise blocks
:02:15. > :02:24.The council says it could take up to four weeks to make
:02:25. > :02:30.A cyber attack on the parliamentary computer system appears to have
:02:31. > :02:31.been contained according to government sources.
:02:32. > :02:34.Officials at the Houses of Parliament said there had been
:02:35. > :02:36.a "determined" attempt by hackers to identify weak passwords for email
:02:37. > :02:40.accounts used by MPs, peers and their staff.
:02:41. > :02:42.Users of the Westminster system were blocked
:02:43. > :02:47.from logging in remotely while the breach was tackled.
:02:48. > :02:50.A teenage boy has been arrested on suspicion of the attempted rape
:02:51. > :03:01.The boy, believed to be 14 or 15, was detained
:03:02. > :03:03.after officers were told the girl had been attacked in a park
:03:04. > :03:05.in Moston, in Manchester, yesterday evening.
:03:06. > :03:07.Yemen is now facing the worst cholera outbreak
:03:08. > :03:09.in the world according to the World Health Organisation
:03:10. > :03:16.than 200,000 suspected cases, and 1,300 deaths.
:03:17. > :03:18.The outbreak has spread because of the collapse
:03:19. > :03:20.of the health system during the civil war.
:03:21. > :03:23.Finally, two giant pandas have arrived in Germany to start a
:03:24. > :03:28.A seven-year-old male, Jiao Qing, and four-year-old female Meng Meng,
:03:29. > :03:30.were flown in yesterday as a gift from China.
:03:31. > :03:39.The next news on BBC One is at one o'clock.
:03:40. > :03:49.Lots of really interesting stories. The Sunday Times has led with the
:03:50. > :03:52.cyber attack story and a picture of Jeremy Corbyn at Glastonbury. They
:03:53. > :03:56.also have an interesting story saying, alleging, that Tory MPs are
:03:57. > :04:01.lining up behind the Chancellor, Phil Hammond, as a possible
:04:02. > :04:04.caretaker to take over from Theresa May. But then apparently to step
:04:05. > :04:09.down again, so somebody can take over again. It's becoming
:04:10. > :04:13.ridiculous, really. But there we go! The Sunday Telegraph has the
:04:14. > :04:17.cyber-attack story again. They suggest the Conservatives want to
:04:18. > :04:21.skip the toxic generation and install a younger face as their next
:04:22. > :04:25.leader. Good luck with that, it worked for the Labour Party... Wait,
:04:26. > :04:30.it didn't, it went the other way. Jeremy Corbyn at Glastonbury in the
:04:31. > :04:33.front page of the Observer. An interesting story, they say fire
:04:34. > :04:38.safety rules in England's schools were going to be relaxed, and now
:04:39. > :04:42.they are not. A major U-turn is going on inside Government, they
:04:43. > :04:46.say, about the whole health and safety culture after the terrible
:04:47. > :04:49.Grenfell Tower. An interesting story about the unions wanting a soft
:04:50. > :04:55.Brexit. We will talk about that. The Mail on Sunday has an interesting
:04:56. > :04:59.story about Prince Harry, talking openly about his wilder years and
:05:00. > :05:03.being a reluctant Prince. Well worth the read. Let's start with politics,
:05:04. > :05:12.Fraser Nelson. You have the front page of the Sunday Times. They are
:05:13. > :05:17.on manoeuvres again? When are they ever not? It is interesting, it is
:05:18. > :05:21.common agreement that Theresa May is doomed, it is when, rather than
:05:22. > :05:25.whether she will go. What happens in the meantime? There is a theory that
:05:26. > :05:28.Phil Hammond will stay on, promising to resign and under the leadership
:05:29. > :05:33.contest in another couple of years. Just what the party needs(!) Nothing
:05:34. > :05:37.is so crazy that it couldn't happen in the Conservative Party right now.
:05:38. > :05:45.They have started Brexit negotiations. If they said, by the
:05:46. > :05:48.way, we don't know who will be the Prime Minister, we have to pause
:05:49. > :05:51.things, we would be laughed out of court. We are being laughed at right
:05:52. > :05:54.now. The question is if we would be laughed at less if we had somebody
:05:55. > :05:59.who was not just being ignored by her Cabinet. Would somebody else
:06:00. > :06:02.have a better grip as an interim point? This is the question. I don't
:06:03. > :06:09.think this is a very plausible answer. You have Boris Johnson
:06:10. > :06:13.jogging along? The Mail on Sunday says the contest is between Boris
:06:14. > :06:17.and David Davis. That is true, if it was held tomorrow, it would be one
:06:18. > :06:21.of these two in contention. What is the biggest problem facing the Tory
:06:22. > :06:25.party? Is it staving off Jeremy Corbyn? Then you need a populist
:06:26. > :06:30.like Boris. Or is it getting Brexit right? In which case you need a
:06:31. > :06:35.bruiser like David Davis. Who understands the details? Ellie Mae,
:06:36. > :06:39.looking from the left, does it matter to the Labour Party what the
:06:40. > :06:43.Conservatives do in terms of their leader? Some leaders would be easier
:06:44. > :06:48.to beat than others. I'm not sure, I find this belief in the media that
:06:49. > :06:55.Boris Johnson is this really popular figure kind of odd. I think he is
:06:56. > :06:59.divisive and I don't think a lot of people like him. I think David Davis
:07:00. > :07:09.might fare better. That would definitely lose the Cameron Tory
:07:10. > :07:14.vote. If it was somebody so tied into Brexit. Problems on either
:07:15. > :07:19.side? Yes, the Tory party is basically in a lot of trouble. The
:07:20. > :07:23.leader is completely Cox five and has no authority in the party. But
:07:24. > :07:27.there is no obvious successor. They are in a lot of trouble. I think it
:07:28. > :07:31.was a huge mistake to trigger Article 50 and then call a general
:07:32. > :07:35.election. That means now we have to go into Brexit negotiations, whether
:07:36. > :07:39.we like it or not. That really complicated things. Theresa May,
:07:40. > :07:44.watching programmes like this, being told she is toxic, finished and the
:07:45. > :07:48.rest of it, I think I feel slightly sorry for her. She must then, hang
:07:49. > :07:58.on, I am still here, this still looks like Number 10, and she has a
:07:59. > :08:07.plan, Henry, and the Sun has reheated an old joke? Theresa May
:08:08. > :08:12.saying, I need a Willie, I thought she had won anyway. Margaret
:08:13. > :08:17.Thatcher apparently said this and could not work out why everybody was
:08:18. > :08:19.laughing? Wonderful, isn't it? Humour, you would have thought
:08:20. > :08:26.somebody like Margaret Thatcher would have the nous to see that. And
:08:27. > :08:38.the essence is that William Hague will be brought back to bolster
:08:39. > :08:43.Number 10? And try to prevent cock-ups. Could he do that? I think
:08:44. > :08:46.he is now an elder statesman, he is younger than I am but he has been
:08:47. > :08:51.bowled for quite a long time, which helps. The other side of politics,
:08:52. > :08:58.an interesting story about the trade unions, the TUC saying that we want
:08:59. > :09:03.to stay inside the single markets. That is not Labour policy? I find it
:09:04. > :09:07.curious they have gone with the headline, the content of the story,
:09:08. > :09:12.it is just a couple of comments from Frances O'Grady. Most of the story
:09:13. > :09:17.is about senior figures in the Labour Party, two named, Hilary Benn
:09:18. > :09:22.and Chuka Umunna, wanting to push for a different kind of Brexit,
:09:23. > :09:25.where we stay in the single market. They are talking to other Labour MPs
:09:26. > :09:34.about this and also having sneaky conversations with Remainer Tory
:09:35. > :09:37.MPs. I think... I mean, what Labour is calling for his access to the
:09:38. > :09:42.single market rather than membership. Membership, effectively,
:09:43. > :09:45.means we haven't left the EU. You have to accept EU rules, you can't
:09:46. > :09:50.have control of immigration and all of that. Jeremy Corbyn has said
:09:51. > :09:55.again and again, no, we are leaving? I think what the Labour position is
:09:56. > :10:00.is that Brexit is happening, it doesn't matter who likes it or not.
:10:01. > :10:05.The decision has been made and we need to go ahead with it. So, the
:10:06. > :10:12.purpose of having access to the single market, the conditions of our
:10:13. > :10:16.relationship with the EU would be decided between the EU and Britain,
:10:17. > :10:25.as opposed to accepting the rules of the single market wholesale. I think
:10:26. > :10:32.that is the idea behind it. Corbynistas actually behind it? That
:10:33. > :10:37.is about three years old, Corbynistas, so I think we should
:10:38. > :10:41.stop using it. I think they are being rebuffed, and the unions, by
:10:42. > :10:46.Jeremy Corbyn, who says we should go through with it. We are all very
:10:47. > :10:50.interested on what the Labour position is, in a way that we were
:10:51. > :10:55.before. The Archbishop of Canterbury weighing in? A voice I think we
:10:56. > :10:58.should hear more from in politics. Since he took over, he hasn't really
:10:59. > :11:03.intervened that much. Now he has come back to suggest there is a
:11:04. > :11:06.forum in Parliament, intended to draw the poison from Brexit.
:11:07. > :11:10.Basically, a peace and reconciliation committee, if you
:11:11. > :11:15.like, that will hear the concerns of the Remainers and try to come up
:11:16. > :11:18.with a consensus. He makes the point that the country is still evenly
:11:19. > :11:22.split on Brexit. It might be the case that 85% voted for a Brexit
:11:23. > :11:26.party, but when asked if we should leave the EU, there is not an
:11:27. > :11:32.overwhelming majority in favour. He is thinking, can there be a middle
:11:33. > :11:37.way? You might almost argue he wants a softer Brexit committee in the
:11:38. > :11:39.House of Commons. Soft Brexit Committee, and Archbishop of
:11:40. > :11:44.Canterbury Party marching ahead! You have been looking at the Adam
:11:45. > :11:50.Boulton: in the Sunday Times, Ellie Mae? He has been in Brussels and he
:11:51. > :11:55.has been talking about what is possible. He is more optimistic than
:11:56. > :12:01.we might have expected? What he is generally saying is that Britain is
:12:02. > :12:07.standing in the EU, it's standing has declined because of the chaos in
:12:08. > :12:11.the country. The volatile political situation is in stark contrast to
:12:12. > :12:16.quite a stable EU at the moment. He is also talking about the prospect
:12:17. > :12:22.of no deal. One of the reasons I was interested in this column is because
:12:23. > :12:25.I think one of the most irresponsible lines that has come
:12:26. > :12:29.out of the Conservatives over the last year has been no deal is better
:12:30. > :12:34.than a bad deal. No deal is not better than a bad deal, it is
:12:35. > :12:40.catastrophic. It means... Very, very bad, as Philip Hammond said? Yes, we
:12:41. > :12:46.would have to adopt World Trade Organisation rules, which means very
:12:47. > :12:52.high trade tariffs. The BBC said between 30% and 40%. One thing the
:12:53. > :12:56.Tory party needs to do is to say, if we have no deal, what does the day
:12:57. > :12:59.after negotiations finished, what does it look like? I don't think
:13:00. > :13:02.they have explained that to the public. I think it's irresponsible
:13:03. > :13:05.to put this about without being clear to the public about what the
:13:06. > :13:11.country will look like in the event of no deal. Henry, let's move away
:13:12. > :13:15.from politics for a moment. An interesting interview with Prince
:13:16. > :13:18.Harry in the mail on Sunday. He's already talked about how nobody in
:13:19. > :13:26.the Royal family wants to be king or queen. That they do it out of duty.
:13:27. > :13:29.He said he has had some wild times in the past. He says he is a prince
:13:30. > :13:34.that thought about stepping away from the entire Royal thing
:13:35. > :13:38.altogether? It interesting. The Queen's great motto is never
:13:39. > :13:41.complain, never explain. We suddenly have the Royals, through Harry,
:13:42. > :13:46.letting his hair down in this unprecedented way. This sort of
:13:47. > :13:49.thing has never been said before. We always accepted that the next one in
:13:50. > :13:54.line is going to succeed and get on with it. He said, first of all,
:13:55. > :13:58.nobody wants to be king or queen. In a way, one can understand that. It
:13:59. > :14:00.must be the most murderously difficult job to do. How
:14:01. > :14:07.fantastically well the present Queen has done it. Is it rather too much?
:14:08. > :14:11.Should he have gone quite so far? Once somebody is known for speaking
:14:12. > :14:16.out and gets a lot of coverage for being frank and open, eloquent, the
:14:17. > :14:20.media always once more. Squeeze that lemon one more time. Eventually you
:14:21. > :14:24.end up saying something you wish you hadn't? Harry is very willing to be
:14:25. > :14:34.squeezed in that way. I think we may get quite a lot more from him. I
:14:35. > :14:38.just wonder if he is getting wagging fingers from behind, Buckingham
:14:39. > :14:42.Palace or elsewhere. Let's turn to your organ, the Spectator. You have
:14:43. > :14:48.an unusual and striking front page, the dying of the right. Talk us
:14:49. > :14:52.through what you are worried about? We had a whole issue asking why the
:14:53. > :14:55.Conservatives are giving up on conservatism, not just in Britain,
:14:56. > :14:59.but abroad. During the election campaign we hardly had any positive
:15:00. > :15:03.reason for voting Tory, it was Brexit this, Brexit back. Even now,
:15:04. > :15:09.the Conservatives are saying if it should be Boris or David, without
:15:10. > :15:14.asking why? What are we for as a party? They are split on austerity,
:15:15. > :15:19.split on Brexit. Most Tory MPs support Remain right now. It is not
:15:20. > :15:25.clear they have a clear idea what they are for. The Labour Party is
:15:26. > :15:28.gathering purpose and direction. So, having a crisis of intellectual
:15:29. > :15:31.confidence in the Conservatives right now. Without it, they will
:15:32. > :15:35.drain momentum and sit and wait for a general election with Jeremy
:15:36. > :15:41.Corbyn taking over. They need to work out what purpose they serve.
:15:42. > :15:48.And the drift of events has been against them as well because there
:15:49. > :15:52.was a rethinking of health and safety, and whether the
:15:53. > :15:55.Conservatives can rethink that whole anti-health and safety culture. You
:15:56. > :16:00.have been looking at the coverage of the Grenfell Tower this week. Yes,
:16:01. > :16:05.this is extraordinary from the Observer today, ministers in panic,
:16:06. > :16:09.you turn in fire safety for schools. There was going to be some
:16:10. > :16:15.cost-cutting measures around health and safety in schools. In 2012,
:16:16. > :16:19.David Cameron said he was going to take on the monster of health and
:16:20. > :16:25.safety and I think you know another thing I have observed about Grenfell
:16:26. > :16:30.is that the residents tried to take legal action but they couldn't do it
:16:31. > :16:34.because of the cuts to legal aid. Everywhere you look there is a cut
:16:35. > :16:38.to public spending and it's led to the deaths of dozens of innocent
:16:39. > :16:43.people and I'm glad there is a rowing back of this anti-health and
:16:44. > :16:47.safety discourse because health and safety rules are there for a reason.
:16:48. > :16:52.I'm just sorry it took such an appalling incident for it to happen.
:16:53. > :16:56.Lots of coverage of Jeremy Corbyn at Glastonbury on the front page as
:16:57. > :17:00.well. Some very divisive stuff saying he should have been
:17:01. > :17:04.supporting the Armed Forces on Armed Forces Day, not hanging around with
:17:05. > :17:09.hippies in a field in Somerset. What do you make of the coverage overall?
:17:10. > :17:12.Overall I think it has been fairly positive actually. Everybody in the
:17:13. > :17:30.media is kind of taken aback by how his fortunes have changed.
:17:31. > :17:32.Him and Theresa May seem to have swapped places in terms of how they
:17:33. > :17:35.are viewed by the public and that's a remarkable turnaround. In terms of
:17:36. > :17:38.whether he should have been at Armed Forces Day, at the end of the day
:17:39. > :17:40.his policies to properly fund the NHS would be a lot more beneficial
:17:41. > :17:43.to veterans than attending one day in a year so I don't really have
:17:44. > :17:45.much time for that. I think there's a crowd of 200,000 people at
:17:46. > :17:48.Glastonbury who are enthusiastic, engaged and interested in politics,
:17:49. > :17:55.why shouldn't you go and talk to them? You are here because you have
:17:56. > :17:58.been a voice of the English summer and we have been listening to you
:17:59. > :18:03.for very long time I would like to talk a little bit more about that,
:18:04. > :18:06.Henry, but first a few of your highlights.
:18:07. > :18:15.Look, I've just seen a crane at Lords actually
:18:16. > :18:18.I've seen cranes all around this ground for years
:18:19. > :18:23.That big white one, there, is moving.
:18:24. > :18:27.A moving crane, a yellow helicopter, what more has the day got to offer?
:18:28. > :18:33.Bell dived forward like a porpoise after a fish
:18:34. > :18:40.That pigeon, he's coming absolutely on cue.
:18:41. > :18:43.Flying over proceedings, beating his wings quickly.
:18:44. > :18:47.I think because he's an English pigeon!
:18:48. > :18:53.Bowled him! Bowled him!
:18:54. > :19:14.Very good, we could not talk about Test match special without producing
:19:15. > :19:21.the cake theme, and we have brought for you, Henry, a cake. Isn't that
:19:22. > :19:27.kind. Brian Johnston was the cake man, chocolate cake, then we moved
:19:28. > :19:32.over to fruitcake and in 2001 the Queen gave us the most imperial
:19:33. > :19:39.fruitcake, it was wonderful. I'm not sure what's inside that one but we
:19:40. > :19:45.are not going to try on air to find out. That's the only reason I came
:19:46. > :19:53.on! The icing is wonderful. They don't give you cakes at Sky! One of
:19:54. > :19:59.the big problems of your job is the long period of time you are on air
:20:00. > :20:02.for, and you have to fill that. It struck me have an English
:20:03. > :20:10.surrealism. The continentals have made great, we have you. If you take
:20:11. > :20:14.the fast bowler and he bowls and over, the batsman doesn't play a
:20:15. > :20:18.stroke, you have a lot of time to fill in. I love describing things, I
:20:19. > :20:23.love painting the entire picture. You look closely at the cricket, the
:20:24. > :20:29.action you are talking about, but if it is not for the grass under their
:20:30. > :20:34.feet, the trees, the people in the stands and the sky, it's not the
:20:35. > :20:39.complete picture. You have got the Mount and the frame... You are word
:20:40. > :20:43.painter. You have got to let listeners know where you are
:20:44. > :20:47.sitting, then they can see it through your eyes and pay you the
:20:48. > :20:54.ultimate compliment which is you made me feel I was there. As I said,
:20:55. > :20:56.the voice of the summer. Thank you to all of my guest.
:20:57. > :21:04.Many people are saying that with a hung parliament
:21:05. > :21:07.and Jeremy Corbyn, we are back to the politics of the 1970s
:21:08. > :21:09.and right on cue because the weather Gods have been
:21:10. > :21:12.paying attention this week we had the hottest June day since 1976.
:21:13. > :21:16.Too hot to work and, sorry Henry, even too hot for cake.
:21:17. > :21:20.It's cooled down a bit since then over to Stav Danaos.
:21:21. > :21:26.It has cooled down and it is set to stay cool next week with substantial
:21:27. > :21:31.rain in the forecast. This week hasn't been too bad, today a little
:21:32. > :21:36.bit cooler than yesterday. England and Wales seeing the majority of the
:21:37. > :21:39.cloud and outbreaks of rain, we will see sunnier skies pushing southward
:21:40. > :21:45.through the course of the day. Temperature wise, the mid-teens, we
:21:46. > :21:49.could make 22 across the south-east. The weather front bringing the cloud
:21:50. > :21:54.and rain across England and Wales eventually slips away into the near
:21:55. > :21:57.continent. Those cooler conditions move away, and a chilly night to
:21:58. > :22:02.come tonight than what we have been used to in the past week. Into
:22:03. > :22:06.Monday, a bit of a cool start. High pressure dominates the scene. This
:22:07. > :22:11.area of high pressure will slowly encroached from the west through the
:22:12. > :22:19.day but we start on a fine note. Plenty of sunshine around, outbreaks
:22:20. > :22:22.of rain pushing into Northern Ireland. The extent of its little
:22:23. > :22:25.bit uncertain so you have to stay tuned into the weather. We could see
:22:26. > :22:31.highs of 24, 20 5 degrees. As we head on into the rest of the week,
:22:32. > :22:41.heavy rain, breezy at times and no sign of the heatwave returning.
:22:42. > :22:43.At least we will be able to speak. -- sleep.
:22:44. > :22:45.One of the great mysteries of the Labour election manifesto
:22:46. > :22:49.was quite how far they wanted to go - and presumably want to go -
:22:50. > :22:53.Debbie Abrahams is the Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary
:22:54. > :22:58.We know what your position is overall because of the hashtag end
:22:59. > :23:01.austerity now, but I want to examine what that means. This week we had a
:23:02. > :23:05.High Court ruling that it was unlawful and discriminatory to have
:23:06. > :23:11.a welfare cap on single parents, single families with children under
:23:12. > :23:14.the age of two. The Conservatives will appeal against that ruling.
:23:15. > :23:19.Labour's position is presumably you get rid of that cup. We would make
:23:20. > :23:25.sure we were holding the ruling from the court decision on Thursday. Can
:23:26. > :23:29.I just mentioned, that for people who don't know was a judgment that
:23:30. > :23:32.said that it was completely discriminatory, it was having a
:23:33. > :23:36.detrimental effect on the wellbeing of children. We have 4 million
:23:37. > :23:43.children living in poverty and this is just adding to it. Our position
:23:44. > :23:48.is that it needs to change. Can I ask you about the overall household
:23:49. > :23:54.cap. At the moment there is a limit you can get per household, ?20,000
:23:55. > :23:59.outside London, ?23,000 inside London. Would you remove that cup?
:24:00. > :24:05.We recognise for people listening to this it might seem like an awful lot
:24:06. > :24:09.of money but the reality is the implications for people on the
:24:10. > :24:11.poorest circumstances, the implications around child poverty
:24:12. > :24:15.which affects children not just while they are young but for the
:24:16. > :24:21.rest of their lives, it affects how their brains develop and everything,
:24:22. > :24:28.and... So the answer is yes, that cup would go? We would be looking to
:24:29. > :24:33.see how to do that. How much will that cost? We haven't costed it yet
:24:34. > :24:38.but the court ruling is about 15 million so it's not an astronomical
:24:39. > :24:43.figure and we need to make sure... When we are talking about austerity,
:24:44. > :24:47.it is not right that formally and children, three quarters of whom are
:24:48. > :24:51.living in working families, they are subject to poverty. A lot of people
:24:52. > :24:56.watching are expecting you to end it now, not at some point in the
:24:57. > :25:00.future. And we are looking at the range of measures we have, so in
:25:01. > :25:04.terms of raising the national living wage, very important component about
:25:05. > :25:09.making sure we have regulated private sector rent system, making
:25:10. > :25:13.sure housing is affordable. Those things were in the manifesto. The
:25:14. > :25:17.things we have talked about today were not in the manifesto. Can I ask
:25:18. > :25:25.about something else that wasn't in the manifesto which is your attitude
:25:26. > :25:28.to freezing benefit overall. At the moment there is meant to be a freeze
:25:29. > :25:36.on benefits until 2020, would Labour end that? We would reverse the cut
:25:37. > :25:37.around ESA work-related activity for disabled people, personal
:25:38. > :25:46.independence payments which the Government very wrongly in my view
:25:47. > :25:50.introduced new regulations and penalise people with chronic mental
:25:51. > :25:55.health conditions and we thought this was absolutely wrong. But the
:25:56. > :26:00.overall freeze you won't end? We didn't cost but in the manifesto.
:26:01. > :26:05.What we did say, because there's a whole range of measures and the
:26:06. > :26:10.freeze is one aspect of the reform and work act so for example around
:26:11. > :26:16.the cuts to work allowances which makes the Universal Credit programme
:26:17. > :26:18.not fit for purpose. It's not going to make work pay. We have a
:26:19. > :26:24.situation where people are not receiving any money for six weeks,
:26:25. > :26:29.possibly longer. So it's not really end austerity now, it is end
:26:30. > :26:34.austerity in due course when we can afford it. Look at the whole range
:26:35. > :26:38.of things we have said we will do. It's about ?2 billion we have set
:26:39. > :26:44.bike for transforming Universal Credit. I mentioned just one thing
:26:45. > :26:48.around the long hello, the 62 days before people get a payment. This
:26:49. > :26:53.also issues around getting two payments in one month but not in
:26:54. > :26:58.another. It goes on and on so there's a whole range of ways plus
:26:59. > :27:00.what I mentioned about the living wages as well.
:27:01. > :27:03.Jeremy Corbyn said after the election result you have a mandate
:27:04. > :27:07.to end austerity and he's also said you want to get rid of this
:27:08. > :27:11.Conservative government as soon as possible. I'm just wondering how you
:27:12. > :27:16.propose to do that. Will you be putting down motions in House of
:27:17. > :27:20.Commons attacking Conservative austerity plans? As we have done on
:27:21. > :27:28.a number of measures over the last... Numbers are very different
:27:29. > :27:31.now. Absolutely true to the court ruling on Thursday, we put
:27:32. > :27:35.amendments to change and the Government ignored that so this is
:27:36. > :27:41.the third ruling they are seeking to overturn. Where court judgments have
:27:42. > :27:45.said this is not right, this is having a detrimental effect. It's
:27:46. > :27:50.about choices, it's about is it right with 7.5 million people who
:27:51. > :27:54.are working are living in poverty, disabled people, pensioners, and at
:27:55. > :28:02.the same time we have the excesses we see. Jeremy Corbyn has said he
:28:03. > :28:09.wants to seek 16 and 17-year-olds being paid the full living wage, ?10
:28:10. > :28:16.per hour, do you agree with that? Yes. Don't you think it would cause
:28:17. > :28:21.job losses? If you are doing the same job, why should you not be paid
:28:22. > :28:28.the same rate? It is discriminatory. If you are new business, that is a
:28:29. > :28:31.very big cost. The Federation of Small Businesses says it would
:28:32. > :28:36.instantly mean them all going bankrupt, it would mean job losses
:28:37. > :28:43.and it would be bad for the economy. What we are looking to do, the
:28:44. > :28:47.measures in our business manifesto would mean they were compensated. We
:28:48. > :28:51.understand we grow as a result of the efforts of small businesses. For
:28:52. > :28:56.example around the campaign I have had for five years around late
:28:57. > :29:02.payments, ?26 billion still owed to small businesses, which will have
:29:03. > :29:07.more of an impact on them and we would outlaw this. One last issue if
:29:08. > :29:11.I make. There has been a big row this week about the position of
:29:12. > :29:15.European citizens living inside the UK. The EU governments said they
:29:16. > :29:21.don't like Theresa May's bold and generous offer that they can stay.
:29:22. > :29:25.What is the difference Labour is offering people and what the
:29:26. > :29:29.Conservatives are offering? Of course we haven't seen the detail.
:29:30. > :29:33.It is a little bit frustrating, should I say, that we have heard
:29:34. > :29:39.little bits that have been leaked through the announcement, and yet we
:29:40. > :29:45.haven't had the detail. That will be tomorrow. What we are concerned this
:29:46. > :29:49.is watering down of existing rights. Why has it taken more than a year?
:29:50. > :29:54.This should have happened straightaway over a year ago now. We
:29:55. > :29:59.need to make sure EU citizens have the same rights they do now. Thank
:30:00. > :30:00.you for talking to us. Now a look at what's coming up
:30:01. > :30:08.straight after this programme. Coming up, doctors are debating
:30:09. > :30:12.whether to update the abortion law, should the time limit be extended?
:30:13. > :30:17.I will be talking to the first disabled actor to play Richard III.
:30:18. > :30:20.And should rejoin the space race to Mars to save the earth? Join us at
:30:21. > :30:22.ten o'clock. Big new productions of Hamlet come
:30:23. > :30:25.along each year but few pack the power of director Robert Icke's
:30:26. > :30:27.current London hit. It's got real Nordic noir,
:30:28. > :30:30.and at its dark heart, of course, there's Andrew Scott's mesmerising
:30:31. > :30:31.Prince. He's known to Sherlock fans
:30:32. > :30:34.for his creepy and funny Moriarty, but now he brings a level of realism
:30:35. > :30:45.to Hamlet rarely seen before. 'Tis an unweeded garden
:30:46. > :30:49.That grows to seed. Things rank and gross
:30:50. > :30:51.in nature possess it merely. But two months dead -
:30:52. > :31:00.nay, not so much, not two. So excellent a king, that was to
:31:01. > :31:09.this Hyperion to a satyr. You seem to be able to do it
:31:10. > :31:12.without declaiming it stagily, if I can put it that way so you can
:31:13. > :31:15.hear every word, you can hear every syllable,
:31:16. > :31:18.it makes complete sense but it's not Yes, well that's
:31:19. > :31:24.absolutely what he tells. It's extraordinary what he
:31:25. > :31:26.says it in the play. He says don't put on a funny voice,
:31:27. > :31:29.don't declaim it, just speak His advice to the players
:31:30. > :31:33.is to speak it trippily on the tongue, pronounced
:31:34. > :31:36.as I pronounced it to you, so we want it to be very
:31:37. > :31:38.conversational and humorous, but still adhering to
:31:39. > :31:40.the amazing language. He doesn't talk about the verse
:31:41. > :31:42.in the same way that... Sometimes I think Shakespeare
:31:43. > :31:44.has been kidnapped by To post with such dexterity
:31:45. > :31:53.to incestuous sheets! It is not nor it cannot come
:31:54. > :31:56.to good, but break, my heart,
:31:57. > :32:10.for I must hold my tongue. So Andrew, what about the absolute
:32:11. > :32:13.central mystery of the play, why Because in this performance,
:32:14. > :32:16.Claudius actually... It is absolutely clear what has
:32:17. > :32:21.happened and yet he can't quite act. What do you think is at
:32:22. > :32:24.the heart of that mystery? The idea of murder can come a little
:32:25. > :32:28.too easy in Shakespeare plays. It's a very difficult decision
:32:29. > :32:32.to make, to murder somebody, and I think once you have murdered
:32:33. > :32:35.someone, it has an incredible He is worried that once he commits
:32:36. > :32:39.that terrible atrocity, And in this play of course,
:32:40. > :32:47.you have the most impossible soliloquy in the English
:32:48. > :32:51.language to deliver. How do you possibly do "to be or not
:32:52. > :32:55.to be" in a way that isn't In rehearsal we had a sort
:32:56. > :32:59.of famous play buzzer. And to really start thinking,
:33:00. > :33:03.approach the play like a new play and to think about the lines not
:33:04. > :33:07.as famous lines - and my God, there's a lot of famous
:33:08. > :33:09.lines in the play - and what he's saying in the play
:33:10. > :33:13.at that point in the play is, should I make the decision to stay
:33:14. > :33:15.alive or should I commit suicide, and
:33:16. > :33:18.that's what that speech is about. What's really important in this
:33:19. > :33:23.production is speaking Not speaking to a sort
:33:24. > :33:35.of dark vacuum, you know. Are you aware that quite a lot
:33:36. > :33:38.of people coming in are coming Yes, I certainly think that's part
:33:39. > :33:43.of the audience and I'm always I really don't believe in high art
:33:44. > :33:50.versus low art, and I hate, absolutely abhor the idea that
:33:51. > :33:52.Shakespeare is for middle-class And so, yes, I do think
:33:53. > :33:57.there is a younger audience. And since we have Moriarty in
:33:58. > :34:00.the room, what's the real Moriarty? What's the key to
:34:01. > :34:02.Moriarty in your view? I think he's a character
:34:03. > :34:06.who is very playful. You know, it's interesting,
:34:07. > :34:13.if there is a link between the two Sherlock Holmes has a friend,
:34:14. > :34:42.he has Watson, but Moriarty doesn't, and that's what the sort of the idea
:34:43. > :34:50.with Hamlet has been. Because there's a lot
:34:51. > :34:51.of questions about And putting an antic disposition on,
:34:52. > :34:56.as they call it in the play. I think we are at a very embryonic
:34:57. > :35:02.stage of our knowledge about mental health and so I think you can't
:35:03. > :35:05.ignore this new interest we have And of course we have two princes
:35:06. > :35:13.now openly talking about it, just This is about a young man
:35:14. > :35:23.who's grieving his father and he's told stop, stop,
:35:24. > :35:27.we don't have time for that. And that's a big thing
:35:28. > :35:31.for young men, you know. And suicide is, as we know,
:35:32. > :35:34.a very, very high Oh, that this too, too
:35:35. > :35:54.sullied flesh would melt, Or that the Everlasting
:35:55. > :36:05.had not fixed How weary, stale,
:36:06. > :36:13.flat, and unprofitable seem to me all the uses
:36:14. > :36:18.of this world! And that production of Hamlet,
:36:19. > :36:29.directed by Robert Icke, is at the Harold Pinter Theatre
:36:30. > :36:32.in London until 2nd September. Coming up later this morning,
:36:33. > :36:35.Andrew Neil will be talking to the international
:36:36. > :36:41.Trade Minister Lord Price, and to Labour's Shadow Cabinet
:36:42. > :36:44.Office Minister Jon Trickett. That's the Sunday Politics
:36:45. > :36:48.at 11am here on BBC One. There's been a lot of speculation
:36:49. > :36:51.and comment about the Brexit talks. Some people have forecast
:36:52. > :36:54.national humiliation. Others, like my next guest,
:36:55. > :36:58.have promised straightforward talks, followed by a crisp
:36:59. > :37:03.and positive deal. But now the actual arm-wrestling
:37:04. > :37:06.has begun, David Davis, the Brexit Secretary,
:37:07. > :37:18.is the man on our side of the table. Right at the beginning of this
:37:19. > :37:21.process, the referendum, you told people this would be
:37:22. > :37:24.straightforward. Almost a breeze, these negotiations. Is there a
:37:25. > :37:28.danger that people watching now are going to feel they were misled? I
:37:29. > :37:33.never said it was a breeze, if you read the articles, as well as the
:37:34. > :37:35.speeches, I said there would be turbulence and difficulties, but at
:37:36. > :37:40.the end of the operation there is a point of common interest for both
:37:41. > :37:43.sides where we gain by being able to exploit global markets, where they
:37:44. > :37:50.gain by having a friendly and comfortable ally, not an irritating
:37:51. > :37:56.member of the club. You invited me to read your speeches, which I am
:37:57. > :38:00.now going to do. Go on, then! The economic case for Brexit, during the
:38:01. > :38:04.campaign, you said the first calling point of the UK's negotiator in the
:38:05. > :38:09.time immediately after Brexit, that is you, will not be Brussels, it
:38:10. > :38:13.will be Berlin, to strike the deal. Absolute access for German cars and
:38:14. > :38:17.industrial goods in exchange for a sensible view on everything else.
:38:18. > :38:22.Have you called Angela Merkel? You'll be glad to know I've been to
:38:23. > :38:26.Berlin. I haven't spoken to Angela Merkel, I spoke to her premier
:38:27. > :38:31.advisor. If you want to talk about Germany, we're not going to get the
:38:32. > :38:34.response from Germany until the election is over. We will get
:38:35. > :38:39.preparatory work before then. I'm happy to let October come before I
:38:40. > :38:43.start that. View argued that the German car industry, industry
:38:44. > :38:46.generally, would put pressure on the German Chancellor, who would put
:38:47. > :38:51.pressure on the EU to make sure we get a good deal. Is that still your
:38:52. > :38:56.view? That is where it will end up. Not just the German car industry,
:38:57. > :39:01.Bavarian farmers, Italian white goods manufacturers, you name it.
:39:02. > :39:05.The balance of trade is 230 billion from us to them, 290 billion from
:39:06. > :39:11.them to us. They have a strong interest in getting a deal on both
:39:12. > :39:15.sides. You remain reasonably optimistic. However, we had the
:39:16. > :39:23.election campaign, we had lots of changes in the atmosphere. You are
:39:24. > :39:28.now surrounded by a bunch of people around you, including people saying
:39:29. > :39:33.we are now dependent on the kindness of strangers, and the Chancellor of
:39:34. > :39:37.the Exchequer. Are you irritated by the noises? This is unsurprising.
:39:38. > :39:41.There are lots of different interests around the UK, all of
:39:42. > :39:44.whom, quite properly, are fighting their own corner. The bank is very
:39:45. > :39:54.concerned about the city and the financial sector. And the economy?
:39:55. > :39:57.The economy, generally. It's an interesting speech, more than what
:39:58. > :40:03.you just described. They will make their cases. At the end of the day,
:40:04. > :40:07.the key in any negotiation, and it is not about macho clashing of
:40:08. > :40:14.antlers, it is about finding the place that suits both sides. That is
:40:15. > :40:21.what we are about. You can see it even this week, in terms of putting
:40:22. > :40:27.the citizens rights issues. Are you absolutely sure we will get a deal?
:40:28. > :40:31.Pretty sure, I am 100% sure. It is a negotiation. You said at the
:40:32. > :40:35.beginning, we are guaranteed of getting a deal, you will be sure
:40:36. > :40:39.there is a deal. You can be sure there will be a deal. The deal I
:40:40. > :40:43.want, free trade agreement, customs deal, I'm pretty sure, but not
:40:44. > :40:48.certain. Do you think we will lose anything to get access to the single
:40:49. > :40:51.market? You said it would be very easy, not easy, but very
:40:52. > :40:55.straightforward negotiation. Not easy, that is the point. There will
:40:56. > :41:03.be things that get in the way. Let me take an example from this week.
:41:04. > :41:07.We have just put up a proposal for... To give you my criticisms in
:41:08. > :41:11.the UK a set of rights and British citizens on the continent a set of
:41:12. > :41:16.equivalent rights, OK? What we have set up to do is to create a state is
:41:17. > :41:20.almost equivalent to the same as British citizens. The same residence
:41:21. > :41:25.rights, the same employment rights, the same health rights, welfare
:41:26. > :41:28.rights, pension rights. So on. The only thing they don't get is the
:41:29. > :41:33.right to vote. They can get that as it comes, and we asking it the same
:41:34. > :41:38.the other way. The argument now is more about if the European Court of
:41:39. > :41:42.Justice has a say. That is where the fight, the argument comes in. One of
:41:43. > :41:46.the places, the reason it didn't go down terribly well on the confident
:41:47. > :41:49.as they felt -- on the continent as they felt they got a headline, not
:41:50. > :41:53.the details. Can you tell us anything about the cut-off date? If
:41:54. > :41:56.people are watching on the continent, which they can do, these
:41:57. > :42:02.days, they might think they are due to start a business in Wolverhampton
:42:03. > :42:05.next March, will I be relevant? With respect, that's not right. That is
:42:06. > :42:08.what the headlines may have said. If you look at what the Austrian
:42:09. > :42:13.minister was saying, the Polish minister, perhaps the most important
:42:14. > :42:18.in this context, Lithuanian... The cut-off date is? We have said it
:42:19. > :42:22.will not be any earlier than the trigger of Article 50. I think that
:42:23. > :42:25.is fair. You could have said June 23 when the referendum decision was
:42:26. > :42:30.taken. There were a lot of people who didn't think we would carry
:42:31. > :42:33.through, so we take Article 50 day as the minimum and the maximum the
:42:34. > :42:36.last day. We will discuss what we think is the fairest and best way.
:42:37. > :42:47.We said explicitly, this is something we want to talk over with
:42:48. > :42:50.you. Not that we don't have a view, that we want to talk it over with
:42:51. > :42:53.you. There are other areas where there are differences. But the main
:42:54. > :42:55.thrust of this is that it actually gives an undertaking to all 3
:42:56. > :42:57.million people in this country today that they will have rights that are
:42:58. > :43:01.effectively British citizenship rights, or the same rights. The
:43:02. > :43:05.reason we cast it that way is that we were getting a lot of stories,
:43:06. > :43:08.particularly from Central Europe, people saying they were going to be
:43:09. > :43:12.made second-class citizens. No, that was the point. People are still
:43:13. > :43:15.wondering if it will apply to them, given how long they have been there,
:43:16. > :43:22.they will want to know if they can bring relatives here and so forth.
:43:23. > :43:26.Well, all of that will be published, a 15 page paper is being published
:43:27. > :43:29.tomorrow in front of Parliament. On Tuesday, I am going to be writing
:43:30. > :43:36.articles and pretty much every city of the union. Can you say any more
:43:37. > :43:39.about it now? In terms of what we are talking about, a whole range of
:43:40. > :43:45.things, people we keep under our control and things we don't. We're
:43:46. > :43:48.talking continued indexation of pensions to people in the EU. There
:43:49. > :43:54.was concern about that. We thought that was important to do. We can do
:43:55. > :44:02.that unilaterally. Access to health? We are looking to see if we can get
:44:03. > :44:07.a continuation of the EX scheme. If we can't get one, we will provide
:44:08. > :44:10.one unilaterally. We are trying to ensure every European citizen gets
:44:11. > :44:15.their current position, as it were, locked in place, so that they can
:44:16. > :44:19.be... So the anxiety can go. That is the real issue. It is not about the
:44:20. > :44:24.prospect of deporting people, it is about the anxiety that they can't
:44:25. > :44:28.stay. Will anybody be deported? I don't think so, unless they have
:44:29. > :44:33.committed a crime or some sort of security problem. I don't expect
:44:34. > :44:38.that. We will go back to the normal relationship. Depends on the EU
:44:39. > :44:44.giving our people the same results. So if there isn't a deal that... I
:44:45. > :44:48.don't want to go down hypothetical routes, because that gives away too
:44:49. > :44:51.much. But this is the option that we think can be resolved moderately
:44:52. > :44:56.quickly. You mentioned the court issue. Michel Barnier has said he
:44:57. > :44:59.thinks the European Court of Justice must have jurisdiction over this.
:45:00. > :45:05.Theresa May has said equally clearly no way. There is a possible third
:45:06. > :45:08.way, that we take some of their judges and some of our judges in the
:45:09. > :45:11.Supreme Court and put them onto some kind of new court which has
:45:12. > :45:17.jurisdiction over both sides? There are two parts of this issue. One is
:45:18. > :45:20.giving people here confidence that the system will stay, that we won't
:45:21. > :45:26.just flip it over in another five or ten years. We will have British
:45:27. > :45:29.courts imposing the law from the British act of Parliament,
:45:30. > :45:34.underpinned by an international treaty. They say that is not enough.
:45:35. > :45:38.Well, there are two arguments, it depends who you talk to. When you
:45:39. > :45:41.look to the council, it gets terribly technical, so I will make
:45:42. > :45:45.it as simple as possible. The council handed down its negotiating
:45:46. > :45:48.guidelines on the European Commission interpreted it. The
:45:49. > :45:54.council guidelines didn't mention the court. So there is a bit of
:45:55. > :45:58.ideology as well. When we are doing these deals on trade, other areas,
:45:59. > :46:01.there will be arbitration arrangements. There will not be the
:46:02. > :46:05.ECJ, there will be mutually agreed chairman and some from both sides,
:46:06. > :46:06.that is the normal way. There might be other ways. It may be that we
:46:07. > :46:21.have an arbitration arrangements. Michel Barnier a is someone you
:46:22. > :46:28.tangled with way back... Tangled is not the word, dealt with. What is he
:46:29. > :46:39.like? Is very French, very logical... What does very French
:46:40. > :46:46.mean? Grand? Yes, he's very elegant and... And not in a mood to
:46:47. > :46:51.compromise, he says. Let's see. He wants a deal as much as we do, I
:46:52. > :46:57.think. When he was the commissioner in charge of finance, at first we
:46:58. > :47:03.thought he was terribly stiff and on moving, he eventually struck a
:47:04. > :47:07.perfectly reasonable deal and I think we will see the same here. It
:47:08. > :47:13.will be small movements incrementally and they will be so
:47:14. > :47:18.small they will be invisible sometimes but they matter. And he
:47:19. > :47:23.won round one, you said there wouldn't be negotiations around
:47:24. > :47:28.citizens' writes, the Irish border, everything had to be done in
:47:29. > :47:32.parallel, and they won and you folded. Six months ago the
:47:33. > :47:37.Commissioner's position was we will do the divorce arrangements for a
:47:38. > :47:41.couple of years, after that we will go to a transitional arrangement...
:47:42. > :47:45.Now he's looking to amend parallel arrangements. I want to get the
:47:46. > :47:51.citizens think through now, that's more important than having a row
:47:52. > :47:57.now, and Northern Ireland on the table. We won't conclude Northern
:47:58. > :48:02.Ireland this summer... You said yourself that we couldn't finally
:48:03. > :48:08.conclude it until we knew the customs arrangements and so on.
:48:09. > :48:13.Exactly. It is technically difficult but perfectly doable. We want to
:48:14. > :48:17.have effectively an invisible border between the north and south. There
:48:18. > :48:22.are technical ways of doing that, number plate recognition on
:48:23. > :48:26.vehicles, tagging of containers, trusted trade schemes. Quite a lot
:48:27. > :48:30.of technical stuff. We have to start on it now so that when we get to the
:48:31. > :48:37.end we will be in a position to implement it. So no row of the
:48:38. > :48:43.summer as we have been promised. Not yet. Let's turn to the transitional
:48:44. > :48:47.arrangements. Philip Hammond was sitting in chair last week and he
:48:48. > :48:52.suggested they had to be quite long, that business was worried about a
:48:53. > :49:01.cliff edge. The for years and years of transitional arrangements were
:49:02. > :49:06.needed, that -- is that your view as well? Yes. We have discussed this
:49:07. > :49:10.weekly since Christmas. The position up front was to get the European
:49:11. > :49:16.side to understand it was in the interest as well. Quite a lot of the
:49:17. > :49:20.non-negotiation going on before now has been about that, the impact for
:49:21. > :49:31.financial stability in Europe if we went suddenly from one regime to
:49:32. > :49:42.another. ... Get scared about this. Of course, we understand that and we
:49:43. > :49:46.have discussed this with them. We think it will be not that long. He
:49:47. > :49:53.said to you in your interview last week it had to be over by the
:49:54. > :50:01.election. Three or four years. No, he said by the election. It will
:50:02. > :50:10.vary. And during that period it will still come under the jurisdiction of
:50:11. > :50:15.the ECJ. We have said let's start talking about how it will work. This
:50:16. > :50:20.is a practical and pragmatic thing. What will work best, what will
:50:21. > :50:26.deliver the outcome that suits both sides. We are looking for an outcome
:50:27. > :50:34.that helps both sides. Holland, the Netherlands, huge amount of trade
:50:35. > :50:38.through Rotterdam. They are very nervous as is Belgium that they
:50:39. > :50:43.would get the shock effect if we don't stage things. Would know deal
:50:44. > :50:55.be better than a bad deal? As he said last week... He said that this
:50:56. > :50:59.started with suggestions that there will be a punishment deal, that we
:51:00. > :51:05.would have to do worse outside. We don't believe we will do worse. I
:51:06. > :51:09.believe we will do significantly better with the global markets but
:51:10. > :51:14.we cannot have a circumstance where the other side so they will punish
:51:15. > :51:23.you so if that happens there has to be a walk away plan. He said it
:51:24. > :51:28.would be very, very bad. Half of my job is the invisible half, planning
:51:29. > :51:33.for all outcomes, good and bad, the range. It will take time, this is
:51:34. > :51:36.not the sort of thing you make up over the course of a weekend, it is
:51:37. > :51:43.something you have to work out in great detail. The Chancellor himself
:51:44. > :51:51.said it would be very, very bad to have no deal. It would be better
:51:52. > :51:56.than a punishment deal. So it is two terrible outcomes. In my job I don't
:51:57. > :52:02.think out loud, I don't make guesses. The data is being gathered,
:52:03. > :52:10.we have nearly 60 sectoral analyses already done, we have planning work
:52:11. > :52:13.going on over customs and 22 other issues which are critical. They have
:52:14. > :52:18.all got to be grounded before we can come to the conclusion of what it
:52:19. > :52:23.looks like. You said you have been talking to Philip Hammond weekly and
:52:24. > :52:28.you are clearly close to him and the rest of it, are you pleased to see
:52:29. > :52:33.him staying on as Chancellor? Of course. One of the things as a
:52:34. > :52:37.backdrop to what I do is the stability of financial markets, of
:52:38. > :52:44.the country and the economy. The more stable that is, the easier and
:52:45. > :52:47.I have. I could come on cleverly to the leadership speculation and you
:52:48. > :52:52.could block it and we could have a pointless conversation so let me ask
:52:53. > :52:57.something slightly different. Would it be catastrophic for our Brexit
:52:58. > :53:03.negotiations for the Tory party now to have a leadership contest? Yes.
:53:04. > :53:08.That may be plain about this. Number one, I happen to think we have a
:53:09. > :53:12.very good Prime Minister. I have seen her in action, I have seen a
:53:13. > :53:15.number of prime ministers in operation over the years going right
:53:16. > :53:21.back to Margaret Thatcher and I think she's good, she's bold, she
:53:22. > :53:27.takes her time. It's very clear that she is a good Prime Minister. Point
:53:28. > :53:33.number two is I want a stable backdrop to this Brexit negotiation.
:53:34. > :53:36.It is hard work by the way. So what's your message to the Tories
:53:37. > :53:41.muttering about leadership challenges and who will take on
:53:42. > :53:48.whom. Don't be so self-indulgent is my message. Get on with the day job,
:53:49. > :53:53.which is people put's here to deliver amongst other things a
:53:54. > :53:59.decent economy, a decent life for them, Brexit and all those things.
:54:00. > :54:03.The more self-indulgence you go for, the more difficult you make it to do
:54:04. > :54:09.the proper job. The self indulgence is coming from David Davis
:54:10. > :54:12.supporters too. You were at a meeting where one of the people said
:54:13. > :54:16.you should be our next Prime Minister and there was either a
:54:17. > :54:23.great swell of applause or scattering of applause, depending on
:54:24. > :54:30.what you read. And I said my job is to make exit work and nothing else.
:54:31. > :54:37.So you are not going to stand until Brexit is done? Frankly the fact we
:54:38. > :54:43.have spent two minutes on it is self-indulgent, two minutes too
:54:44. > :54:49.long. Was it true you advised Theresa May to call the election?
:54:50. > :54:54.Yes. I take my share of the blame with it, along with the other 20
:54:55. > :55:01.members of the Cabinet who also said it was a good idea. Did you regret
:55:02. > :55:06.it? Did you apologise? I didn't apologise to her. I didn't design
:55:07. > :55:13.the campaign. I thought we would get a better results than we did. What
:55:14. > :55:25.did you think of the campaign? It didn't work, did it? Every campaign
:55:26. > :55:27.you get critics along the way, every campaign has a wobbly Wednesday. If
:55:28. > :55:32.it succeeds it succeeds, but it didn't. You said during the campaign
:55:33. > :55:36.that if we come back with a big majority, that strengthens my hand
:55:37. > :55:42.in the Brexit negotiations, so presumably you have a weaker hand.
:55:43. > :55:47.It gives me a different hand. It's very interesting, during the
:55:48. > :55:52.campaign itself, Brussels said if there's a big majority she make more
:55:53. > :55:59.concessions, so I said actually it is a very small, blank majority so
:56:00. > :56:04.it will be a very narrow window to aim for. You can deal with every
:56:05. > :56:09.hand you are given. But do you look at numbers in House of Commons now
:56:10. > :56:12.and think you are much more vulnerable on your negotiating
:56:13. > :56:16.position? For example what happens if you bring the Great Repeal Bill
:56:17. > :56:22.onto the floor of the House of Commons and lose those votes? We
:56:23. > :56:27.probably do. You asked Keir Starmer last week what is it you disagree
:56:28. > :56:33.with in the Great Repeal Bill and he couldn't give an answer. He does
:56:34. > :56:41.reserve the right to oppose it. Of course, Labour opposed the
:56:42. > :56:45.Maastricht agreement. I think the public will draw a conclusion on
:56:46. > :56:52.this little wave of euphoria we see around Jeremy Corbyn may evaporate.
:56:53. > :56:56.The Great Repeal Bill takes European law and puts it into British law so
:56:57. > :57:01.there is no black hole when we come out the other end and that is very
:57:02. > :57:05.important. If somebody disrupts that they are taking on themselves the
:57:06. > :57:09.responsibility for making the British statute book and the British
:57:10. > :57:14.law unworkable when we leave the European Union. What about posterity
:57:15. > :57:19.because that's been a big issue. You are a working-class boy originally,
:57:20. > :57:24.you understand why people are fed up with years of cuts. Again you could
:57:25. > :57:28.face revolves on the floor of Commons. To be fair to the
:57:29. > :57:37.Chancellor, he eased its likely in his first Budget. It's going to be
:57:38. > :57:46.eased more, is it? You should have asked him that. He said more or less
:57:47. > :57:57.yes. We had a deficit which has come down, every pound of that is taxed,
:57:58. > :58:03.we have got to get it down. But we have the bill for leaving the EU as
:58:04. > :58:08.well to be paid. Tens of billions seems a fair assessment. Lets see
:58:09. > :58:12.where we get to on that, the negotiation father hasn't started
:58:13. > :58:18.and we won't know the answer on that for a year two. I wouldn't get too
:58:19. > :58:25.bogged down. Simple truth is we have got to deliver a strong country,
:58:26. > :58:31.jobs, which we are delivering, incomes... One final question, has
:58:32. > :58:35.this interview being patriotic enough for you? I prefer forensic to
:58:36. > :58:38.patriotic. Thank you, David Davis. That's all we've got time for,
:58:39. > :58:41.thanks to all my guests. Now, next week, I don't actually
:58:42. > :58:43.know who's going to be here. But what I do know is
:58:44. > :58:46.that there will be politics. The critically-acclaimed
:58:47. > :59:12.series is back.