:00:00. > :00:12.Turns out there is money to spend on social priorities after all.
:00:13. > :00:15.Glossy and waving golden in the summer wind, the magic money
:00:16. > :00:23.But, sorry, some bad news just in - it only grows in Northern Ireland.
:00:24. > :00:26.Across the rest of the country, Tory ministers are now
:00:27. > :00:28.going against their own manifesto and openly lobbying for magic
:00:29. > :00:34.Labour is behaving as if they won the election
:00:35. > :00:37.but - just as interesting - the Tories are behaving
:00:38. > :00:59.Here today, the leading Brexit campaigner who launched his own
:01:00. > :01:01.leadership campaign before being sacked by
:01:02. > :01:09.Now she's brought Michael Gove back as Environment Secretary.
:01:10. > :01:11.I wonder if magic money trees are part of his brief.
:01:12. > :01:13.Jonathan Ashworth, Labour's health spokesman,
:01:14. > :01:17.would like to give the tree a shake - but how generous is the Corbyn
:01:18. > :01:26.team really going to be to hard-pressed public workers?
:01:27. > :01:29.And in a week when parliament has really started to flex its muscles,
:01:30. > :01:32.two backbenchers who've been making the news -
:01:33. > :01:36.Labour's Stella Creasy and the Conservative Heidi Allen.
:01:37. > :01:39.Heidi will be reviewing the news alongside
:01:40. > :01:41.the author and anti-capitalist campaigner Naomi Klein
:01:42. > :01:45.and the pro-capitalist Tim Stanley from the Daily Telegraph.
:01:46. > :01:49.I've been talking to the creator of Downton Abbey, Julian Fellowes,
:01:50. > :01:56.about his new musical version of the Wind in the Willows.
:01:57. > :02:06.# The kind of furry animals who go for your throats.#
:02:07. > :02:09.All that after the news read for us this morning by Ben Thompson.
:02:10. > :02:14.The Government has promised that "nothing will be off the table"
:02:15. > :02:16.in helping residents cope with the aftermath of
:02:17. > :02:22.Kensington and Chelsea Council is to appoint a new leader this week
:02:23. > :02:25.after three high profile resignations over the past few days.
:02:26. > :02:31.The devastating fire that claimed so many lives has opened up a gulf
:02:32. > :02:35.between residents and the council elected to represent them.
:02:36. > :02:39.Is this the first good decision you've made, Mr Paget-Brown?
:02:40. > :02:42.The leader, Nicholas Paget-Brown, is on his way out but Labour
:02:43. > :02:45.councillor Beinazir Lasharie, who has just returned
:02:46. > :02:51.of Grenfell Tower, says change is needed quickly.
:02:52. > :02:55.Now that he has resigned, who is taking responsibility?
:02:56. > :02:59.Yes, he should resign but yes he should take
:03:00. > :03:05.People need to be in place to manage what's going on here.
:03:06. > :03:08.As the community mourns the dead, the Government says the new leader
:03:09. > :03:10.will be chosen by the council itself.
:03:11. > :03:16.Commissioners from outside will not be sent in.
:03:17. > :03:20.But it's warning it will intervene if it needs to.
:03:21. > :03:23.The council insist the disaster was so huge any authority
:03:24. > :03:26.But it says it wants to learn lessons.
:03:27. > :03:30.And the warning from both the Government and residents
:03:31. > :03:38.Theresa May and the Chancellor, Philip Hammond, are coming under
:03:39. > :03:41.pressure from within the Cabinet to lift the cap on pay increases
:03:42. > :03:44.Thousands marched in central London yesterday in protest
:03:45. > :03:55.Ministers including the Environment Secretary Michael Gove
:03:56. > :03:58.are understood to be calling for an easing of the Government's
:03:59. > :04:01.And Andrew will be talking to Michael Gove later
:04:02. > :04:06.Iraqi forces say they have captured so-called Islamic State's main
:04:07. > :04:08.base in Mosul after days of intense fighting.
:04:09. > :04:10.The militants have been driven from a hospital compound
:04:11. > :04:13.where several senior IS leaders were thought to have been hiding,
:04:14. > :04:17.but fighting is continuing around part of the Old City.
:04:18. > :04:19.Syrian state television says at least eight people were killed
:04:20. > :04:22.and a dozen wounded when a suicide bomber blew himself up in
:04:23. > :04:28.The bomber was in one of three cars that had been
:04:29. > :04:33.Britain is withdrawing from an agreement which allows
:04:34. > :04:37.foreign countries to fish in its waters.
:04:38. > :04:38.The Government says leaving the London Fisheries Convention
:04:39. > :04:41.will allow the UK to take back control of access
:04:42. > :04:49.The agreement allows Irish, Dutch, French, German and Belgian vessels
:04:50. > :04:52.to fish within six and 12 nautical miles of the UK's coastline.
:04:53. > :04:54.Cycling finally, and Geraint Thomas has become the first Welshman
:04:55. > :04:57.to wear the yellow jersey after victory in the opening stage
:04:58. > :05:03.He won the 14 kilometre time trial in Dusseldorf in heavy rain,
:05:04. > :05:06.12 seconds ahead of the defending champion Chris Froome.
:05:07. > :05:13.The next news on BBC One is at one o'clock.
:05:14. > :05:25.The Sunday Telegraph, a highly political front page. Number 10
:05:26. > :05:29.plots a Brexit walk-out. Rather oddly, ministers have been briefing
:05:30. > :05:32.business that at some point in the summer, possibly September, Theresa
:05:33. > :05:36.May will walk out of the negotiations. Sounds slightly odd.
:05:37. > :05:39.An important story here, Justine Greening, Education Secretary, is
:05:40. > :05:44.asking for an extra ?1 billion for schools. That is the spending story
:05:45. > :05:49.I was referring to at the beginning of the programme. The Sunday Times
:05:50. > :05:53.has a disturbing account, an investigation into a rogue SAS unit
:05:54. > :05:56.that killed civilians is about to be covered up. And the austerity story
:05:57. > :06:01.is also there. You heard about the fishing story, there is the Sunday
:06:02. > :06:06.Express. No foreign fishing in our waters. But is that absolutely true?
:06:07. > :06:13.We will find out later. The Observer has top Tories revolt against Made
:06:14. > :06:18.over public sector cash. -- Theresa May. And they love island bloodbath.
:06:19. > :06:31.We will be talking about that later. No, that is a lie. Tory chaos over
:06:32. > :06:35.tuition fees U-turn, and we will pick up that with Heidi. I am
:06:36. > :06:41.disappointed we're talking about Love Island. You can, it is not our
:06:42. > :06:45.normal thing on this programme. So, Justine Greening and funding for
:06:46. > :06:48.schools. The funding formula was up for consultation and we felt that
:06:49. > :06:54.the numbers didn't work. Those of us that have been underfunded, my area
:06:55. > :06:58.included, the funding is not there. It's great seeing Justine coming out
:06:59. > :07:01.and saying we need more funding. The politics of this, you are South
:07:02. > :07:04.Cambridgeshire, but across the country there has been a revolt by
:07:05. > :07:07.younger voters against the Conservatives, and a sense it was on
:07:08. > :07:13.issues like school funding, and above all tuition fees. Therefore,
:07:14. > :07:18.the Tories had to change direction? I think the funding for schools,
:07:19. > :07:22.that is not just young people, families feel that as well. I'm not
:07:23. > :07:26.sure around tuition fees. I think the biggest thing, the biggest risk
:07:27. > :07:30.is that we start chasing Jeremy Corbyn's policies. I don't think
:07:31. > :07:35.that will do us any favours. I'm not sure young voters will find that
:07:36. > :07:39.credible. But if you are going to get an extra ?1 billion for schools,
:07:40. > :07:44.as for Northern Ireland, and so on, you have defined the money, which
:07:45. > :07:49.might mean raising taxes? That is a possibility. I'm also disappointed
:07:50. > :07:53.that we didn't stand firm on the triple lock, taking the triple lock
:07:54. > :08:00.away. There wasn't a pensioner I spoke to that didn't agree when it
:08:01. > :08:03.was explained. Tim, you have a sceptical expression, if I may say
:08:04. > :08:08.so. Are you concerned the Tories have effectively thrown in the towel
:08:09. > :08:12.on public spending? If no one will defend the Tory record on spending,
:08:13. > :08:16.including a Tory MP, I will step forward and do it. That is what they
:08:17. > :08:21.were elected to do in 2010, to get spending under control. In the next
:08:22. > :08:26.seven years, they did not have a race to the bottom, the cuts were
:08:27. > :08:30.fairly slow, targeted, there was welfare reform. They ring fenced
:08:31. > :08:35.certain departments like foreign aid. The idea that they have closed
:08:36. > :08:41.it down is nonsense. This shows a collapse of political discipline.
:08:42. > :08:44.That is troubling. You cannot have a Government with a vacuum at its
:08:45. > :08:47.centre, with a Prime Minister accepting any demand that comes to
:08:48. > :08:50.her. Heidi, you are critical about the DUP, and it does seem that was
:08:51. > :08:55.the beginning. When the Government sold itself for ?1 billion and said,
:08:56. > :08:58.here is the money, please keep us in power, I think it opens the
:08:59. > :09:02.floodgates. If you are going to give ?1 billion to the DUP, why wouldn't
:09:03. > :09:08.the heads of department come forward and say, we would like more for
:09:09. > :09:13.teachers or doctors? Absolutely right. Naomi, you have chosen the
:09:14. > :09:16.front page of the Mail on Sunday. I don't agree, I think this is
:09:17. > :09:19.cumulative, I think it goes back further. The money tree you keep
:09:20. > :09:26.talking about, I think that this generation of voters that is so
:09:27. > :09:31.excited about Jeremy Corbyn, here, and in North America that energise
:09:32. > :09:37.the Bernie Sanders campaign, a lot of that is because they saw the
:09:38. > :09:41.money tree 2008, the financial crisis, they saw trillions of
:09:42. > :09:46.dollars, euros and pounds being marshalled to save the elites, the
:09:47. > :09:52.banks. That is when the spell of austerity started to break, right?
:09:53. > :09:56.You can't bail out the rich and how people fail to notice that the
:09:57. > :10:01.schools, there was never money for schools or health care. I think it
:10:02. > :10:07.has been a slow process that began with her rejection of that bailout,
:10:08. > :10:10.and a big no around the world, but did not have the courage to put
:10:11. > :10:13.forward, this is what we should spend the money on and this is what
:10:14. > :10:20.the world could look like instead. This idea that the Tories can just
:10:21. > :10:24.kind of suddenly adopt Labour's policies, what I see happening, not
:10:25. > :10:36.just in this country but also in North America, to some extent in
:10:37. > :10:38.France, with the support during election, people have been saying
:10:39. > :10:46.the same thing for many decades in this era of politics. Heidi Allen,
:10:47. > :10:49.you were very critical of the DUP deal. You said you could barely
:10:50. > :10:52.contain your anger about it. When I read your speech I thought coming
:10:53. > :10:57.here is somebody that is on the edge of leaving the Conservative Party.
:10:58. > :11:00.No, I hope I am on the edge of seeing the Conservative Party come
:11:01. > :11:03.back, the one that I know can and should be there. We have got to
:11:04. > :11:07.change our tone and language. I think we have become too inward
:11:08. > :11:11.looking. We have forgotten the purpose, why we are there. I am
:11:12. > :11:13.reminded constantly when I talk to my constituents what they are
:11:14. > :11:18.looking for. They want the Tory party to change as well. This is
:11:19. > :11:24.pressure from the bottom. You have the story of the NHS staff the
:11:25. > :11:29.Telegraph? The Observer, sorry. This is around a book written by a junior
:11:30. > :11:32.doctor about what life is life. -- what life is like. It is around the
:11:33. > :11:35.pay freeze for nurses in particular. I had surgery yesterday, I had a
:11:36. > :11:40.doctor coming to see me that described the pressures the likes of
:11:41. > :11:44.which he has never experienced. We need to look at supporting all of
:11:45. > :11:47.our public services. At the NHS, particularly at the moment, is
:11:48. > :11:50.really struggling. Whether it is junior doctor contracts, the pay
:11:51. > :11:56.freeze, these people are very overworked. The biggest fish in the
:11:57. > :11:59.pool of political correspondence, at least physically, is Tim Shipman in
:12:00. > :12:04.the Sunday Times. He has an interview with Michael Gove, who is
:12:05. > :12:08.coming on the show in a moment. Tell us about what you make of that
:12:09. > :12:14.interview? We have a whole goldfish bowl of excellent correspondence at
:12:15. > :12:17.the Telegraph. But they have an excellent interview. This is
:12:18. > :12:20.important. Michael Gove is back and that is significant because he got
:12:21. > :12:23.into so much trouble at the referendum. He was told by Theresa
:12:24. > :12:27.May, go to the backbenches and prove yourself, which he appears to have
:12:28. > :12:31.done. He has been given arguably the most important post-Brexit job of
:12:32. > :12:36.all, agriculture. Most important because agriculture is so reliant on
:12:37. > :12:40.EU subsidies. So many people in agriculture voted for Brexit, but
:12:41. > :12:44.they could be the ones most economic and hurt Byatt. All the Government
:12:45. > :12:48.has said is that they will not cut subsidies until 2022, but for a
:12:49. > :12:55.farmer that is not very long ahead? He does have some serious policies.
:12:56. > :13:01.We know that we are leaving the convention fisheries. He also says
:13:02. > :13:04.he might think about a ban on live exports, which is brilliant if you
:13:05. > :13:07.like animal welfare. Heels of hints there will be a redistribution of
:13:08. > :13:10.subsidies. Those that simply get them because they have a lot of land
:13:11. > :13:14.will see them cut back, and there will be focused on good maintenance
:13:15. > :13:18.of the land. Interesting to see him flushing out some ideas. Naomi
:13:19. > :13:24.Klein, we will talk about regulation and so forth in the US context. One
:13:25. > :13:28.of the things that people want is a big trade deal with the US. In that
:13:29. > :13:32.context, the American farming lobby is very powerful. They have lots of
:13:33. > :13:37.techniques that we don't allow here, chlorine washed chicken or using
:13:38. > :13:41.certain hormones in beef. In those talks, how big a save with American
:13:42. > :13:47.farmers have? You always have to make a distinction between American
:13:48. > :13:54.companies that will have a huge say, and American farmers that have been
:13:55. > :13:59.put out of business for a long time because of the extraordinary control
:14:00. > :14:02.of companies like Monsanto. It relates to the all-out assault on
:14:03. > :14:08.regulations that the Trump administration is pushing through,
:14:09. > :14:17.with all attention focused on the President's tweets, the trolling of
:14:18. > :14:20.television anchors, the Russia investigation and so on. Meanwhile,
:14:21. > :14:25.there is a methodical attack on regulation. When Britain talks about
:14:26. > :14:28.a trade deal that would require a degree of harmonisation with the
:14:29. > :14:31.United States, it is important for people here to understand that the
:14:32. > :14:37.bar is being lowered very dramatically. And it's in areas
:14:38. > :14:40.where it is easy to do so, particularly the environmental
:14:41. > :14:43.Protection Agency. So much of what Obama did was to the executive
:14:44. > :14:47.order, which is the easiest to do. Because he doesn't need Congress.
:14:48. > :14:52.People worry it will be imported here in a new trade deal? That there
:14:53. > :15:00.will be a race to the bottom. In your book, you talk about political
:15:01. > :15:10.shock being a deliberate strategy? There has been a strategy in place
:15:11. > :15:13.now on the right for half a century, using profoundly destabilising
:15:14. > :15:15.moments, where people wake up in a country that feels profoundly
:15:16. > :15:18.different than the one that they went to sleep then, and
:15:19. > :15:22.understanding that in those moments, when people are deeply frightened
:15:23. > :15:26.and disorientated, after the 2008 financial crisis, I would argue
:15:27. > :15:31.after the Brexit vote, when the ground is shifting... You can use
:15:32. > :15:34.that to ratchet politics in one direction or another? Sometimes it
:15:35. > :15:39.is referred to as a moment of extraordinary politics. One of the
:15:40. > :15:42.things interesting to me, watching British politics from the other side
:15:43. > :15:44.of the Atlantic, it seems these tactics are not working very well.
:15:45. > :15:48.There were all these balloons floated after the Brexit wrote about
:15:49. > :15:50.turning the UK into a giant tax haven. From what I am hearing,
:15:51. > :15:56.things are going in the other direction.
:15:57. > :16:02.There is an interesting story about the Tory whips in the papers today
:16:03. > :16:07.and they are back to their old tricks. We used to have brutal
:16:08. > :16:11.whipping in the 1970s from the small majorities in the Labour Party,
:16:12. > :16:21.kneecaps were broken and people were ferreted out of toilets into the
:16:22. > :16:32.voting lobby... You assume that has stopped now. According to this
:16:33. > :16:36.story, it is going that way. The PPS are going to be the eyes and ears of
:16:37. > :16:41.the Tory whips. I find it disappointing because the whole way
:16:42. > :16:46.the Tory party will be what it needs to be an change, which is what it
:16:47. > :16:50.desperately needs to do is to start trusting each other and talking to
:16:51. > :16:55.each other. It is the whispering in corridors and the power games and
:16:56. > :17:03.egos that got us into this position and it needs to stop. We haven't
:17:04. > :17:09.talked about the Brexit story in the Sunday Telegraph. This is a very big
:17:10. > :17:13.story. It turns out we have a Downing Street source which briefed
:17:14. > :17:16.business to say in the course of the negotiations it is highly likely the
:17:17. > :17:22.Prime Minister will walk out over the issue of the bill we pay for the
:17:23. > :17:27.divorced from the EU. If you are going to enter negotiations, it is
:17:28. > :17:32.unwise in advance, to brief people about what you will do. It is
:17:33. > :17:38.Babouli unwise that if you briefed on the walk-out will be for domestic
:17:39. > :17:44.consumption. In other words, it is not really about achieving a reduced
:17:45. > :17:46.divorce bill, it is about sending a message to British voters, who,
:17:47. > :17:51.according to the poll had the thought of us paying a huge divorce
:17:52. > :18:03.Bill, the government is hanging tough. It is something theatrical.
:18:04. > :18:07.So this is a huge error and it speaks to the sense of this
:18:08. > :18:14.extraordinary switch in the fortunes of the government that has gone from
:18:15. > :18:20.being strong and stable, the only party to negotiate a tough, proper
:18:21. > :18:31.Brexit, to be the party falling apart on the subject. We are almost
:18:32. > :18:38.out of time. Naomi, we haven't talked about Grenfell, the other
:18:39. > :18:48.huge story, give us the headline that struck you? I think this story
:18:49. > :18:56.about being told to bury this fire report... This is the firefighters
:18:57. > :19:01.they are faring too. E-readers used to be a firefighter, now working for
:19:02. > :19:05.a private company, don't say about the fire risks. Residents don't
:19:06. > :19:09.trust the people who are supposed to represent them. Why would they, when
:19:10. > :19:15.they are hearing about buried reports. It is such a crisis of
:19:16. > :19:20.democracy than anything else. It is all about trust. Thanks to all of
:19:21. > :19:22.you, very much indeed. Well as you may have noticed, we've
:19:23. > :19:26.had weather every day this week. But somehow Louise Lear
:19:27. > :19:29.in the weather studio manages to maintain a level of interest,
:19:30. > :19:49.and even more oddly, Beautiful across parts of North
:19:50. > :19:54.Yorkshire this morning. But a good deal of sunshine pretty much across
:19:55. > :20:02.England and Wales. The Cloud is sitting and breaking and the thicker
:20:03. > :20:08.cloud in the extreme north-west keeps driving in showers. Some of
:20:09. > :20:14.them heavy and thundery and in the sunshine it will feel pleasant with
:20:15. > :20:20.highs of 19 to 23 degrees. Overnight the weather front will sink South
:20:21. > :20:23.and East with more cloud and outbreaks of light rain into
:20:24. > :20:27.northern England and Wales. Eventually it will move the southern
:20:28. > :20:31.and central parts of England. The real question is, when it starts to
:20:32. > :20:36.weaken, how much rain will be left on that front. There will be warm
:20:37. > :20:40.wind on it, but fresher. Will we get a few spots of rain for the opening
:20:41. > :20:44.day of Wimbledon? Certainly through the middle of the week, so things
:20:45. > :20:49.are set to warm up and we could see the mid-20s by then. Andrew.
:20:50. > :20:54.Labour has organised huge marches including yesterday
:20:55. > :20:57.and Jeremy Corbyn says Theresa May has lost all legitimacy.
:20:58. > :21:00.But it's harder just now to point to exactly where Labour Mps have
:21:01. > :21:03.Well the Walthamstow MP Stella Creasy certainly has,
:21:04. > :21:05.winning a big change from the government which allows
:21:06. > :21:12.women from Northern Ireland to get free abortions in England.
:21:13. > :21:19.Were you surprised at how quickly the government folded, you looked a
:21:20. > :21:22.bit gobsmacked at one moment when the announcements was made in the
:21:23. > :21:26.House of Commons? I was gobsmacked because I wanted to see the detail.
:21:27. > :21:32.People recognise this is an injustice. The challenge for all of
:21:33. > :21:38.us in politics is for us to work out how to act. The Queen's Speech was
:21:39. > :21:41.an opportunity to say, here are the issues, we're not going to put
:21:42. > :21:46.inequality on the back burner. Did you have the numbers to force a vote
:21:47. > :21:53.and beat them? That would be telling. But there was support
:21:54. > :21:57.across the house. That ethos, I am passionately a socialist, a
:21:58. > :22:01.Democrat, a feminist, but I am not tribal. There are others who feel
:22:02. > :22:05.like that also. When there are issues where we feel the government
:22:06. > :22:12.has got it made, progress has to be made. In Northern Ireland, there is
:22:13. > :22:16.a different religious -based view on abortion which is not the view of a
:22:17. > :22:23.lot of people in England and it is wrong for you as an English MP to
:22:24. > :22:29.impose your values on them. This is what is happening at my local
:22:30. > :22:33.hospital in London and whether women who are UK tax payers are being
:22:34. > :22:39.denied the services they are paying for. I am passionate woman's right
:22:40. > :22:42.to choose is a human right. This was different and people across the
:22:43. > :22:45.house recognised if vulnerable women were turning up at the local
:22:46. > :22:50.hospitals in England and Wales, asking for help, they shouldn't be
:22:51. > :22:54.turned away. Is the next front on this battle to change the law in
:22:55. > :22:58.Northern Ireland? I think human rights is a massive issue for all
:22:59. > :23:03.others, equality cannot be on the back burner in this Parliament. We
:23:04. > :23:08.to work around the world to do this, that includes Northern Ireland. Is
:23:09. > :23:13.this specific issues, suddenly appear in the House of Commons and
:23:14. > :23:20.the government realises it hasn't got a majority and has to change
:23:21. > :23:24.direction? Colleagues are working hard, and the tampon tax, there is a
:23:25. > :23:28.very strong history and tradition of MPs coming up with issues and
:23:29. > :23:32.working across the house to get things done. That is what the public
:23:33. > :23:36.want to see. We voted with the Chuka Umunna Amendment on the EU which
:23:37. > :23:41.means Britain should stay inside the single market. It is impossible,
:23:42. > :23:43.given the results of the referendum, people voted to leave the EU and
:23:44. > :23:49.that means leaving the single market? I don't accept that. There
:23:50. > :23:54.are countries who aren't part of the European Union who are part of the
:23:55. > :23:59.single market. It means staying in, paying money into the EU, accepting
:24:00. > :24:05.EU laws and it means no chance of control over migration. Those of the
:24:06. > :24:09.things on which people voted? How do we know that? We once, in these
:24:10. > :24:14.negotiations, all options to be on the table, to have a government that
:24:15. > :24:17.forces through a hard Brexit, especially in the light of the
:24:18. > :24:21.general election results with the public rejecting Theresa May's
:24:22. > :24:26.approach, doesn't make sense. There are MPs saying we want to see all
:24:27. > :24:30.options. We don't know what is possible to achieve, but if you walk
:24:31. > :24:36.in the room and throw away something like single market membership,
:24:37. > :24:42.650,000 jobs in London alone are part of that, it is irresponsible.
:24:43. > :24:46.You had 100 MPs went to the lobby on this out of 600. Prison's membership
:24:47. > :24:51.of the single market is over. You have thought that battle and you
:24:52. > :24:56.have lost haven't you? There is support across the house to say,
:24:57. > :25:00.what options are on the table. The British public said no to the hard
:25:01. > :25:04.Brexit. No one wants to rerun the referendum, but why would you read
:25:05. > :25:09.some of the big things of the table talking to Europe? There is a big
:25:10. > :25:15.change of tone in the Labour Party since the election. Jeremy Corbyn
:25:16. > :25:23.has been a long-time opponent of the EU, he made his view of the single
:25:24. > :25:26.market clear so was he right to sack people who opposed him? He is the
:25:27. > :25:31.leader of the party and it is up to him. I have been a senior Chief
:25:32. > :25:35.Whip. There were people across the house who talked about the
:25:36. > :25:39.importance of single market membership. This is about a
:25:40. > :25:43.discussion on what the best deal looks like. There is an agreement
:25:44. > :25:48.that Parliament should have its say. Even after that election result,
:25:49. > :25:53.Parliament is still trying to deny MPs are proper role in that process.
:25:54. > :25:56.Jeremy Corbyn has enhanced authority, isn't it time for people
:25:57. > :26:01.you to fall in line and accept the Labour Party has changed direction,
:26:02. > :26:05.it is no longer such a broad church, you will have to fall into line
:26:06. > :26:09.behind Jeremy Corbyn and demonstrate you are loyal to a successful
:26:10. > :26:13.leader? Because we had a great results in the election, we have an
:26:14. > :26:16.opportunity, not just to hold the government to account but show the
:26:17. > :26:25.difference labour can make when it is in office. We hope we have
:26:26. > :26:27.started to show it can work. I know Jeremy is committed to every MP
:26:28. > :26:31.playing their part, Abba campaigning from the ground upwards. Didn't feel
:26:32. > :26:32.quite got an answer there, but Stella Creasy, thank you for joining
:26:33. > :26:34.us this morning. Now, coming up later this morning,
:26:35. > :26:38.Andrew Neil will be talking to Trade Minister Greg Hands
:26:39. > :26:40.about the government's position in the EU talks and to Shadow
:26:41. > :26:43.Justice Secretary Richard Burgon on Labour's divisions over Brexit
:26:44. > :26:45.and where the party goes next. That's the Sunday Politics
:26:46. > :26:48.at 11 here on BBC One. Few childrens' books have
:26:49. > :26:50.stood the test of time Well, Kenneth Grahame's tale
:26:51. > :26:54.of Toad, Ratty and Mole has now been Having brought us Downton Abbey,
:26:55. > :27:01.Julian Fellowes has turned his I caught up with him
:27:02. > :27:05.at the London Palladium where he recalled how he first fell
:27:06. > :27:08.for the story as a youngster. I don't know if people have
:27:09. > :27:13.maiden aunts any more. Many of the books, Mary Poppins,
:27:14. > :27:20.Children of Green Knowe and Wind in the Willows I have later
:27:21. > :27:23.dramatised and taken And there's something nice
:27:24. > :27:28.about that, you know. You have a long relationship
:27:29. > :27:30.with a work and then It's also, although Kenneth Grahame
:27:31. > :27:34.was in fact a Scot, it is a hymn to England,
:27:35. > :27:37.the English landscape and so forth. Is it more about
:27:38. > :27:39.preservation than progress? I think it is certainly
:27:40. > :27:41.about making us aware Yes, I don't think that's
:27:42. > :27:46.a modernist, revisionist view. I think he is celebrating the beauty
:27:47. > :27:50.of England, and our luck, actually come in having it
:27:51. > :27:54.to live in. A kind of bucolic, Edwardian
:27:55. > :27:56.vision of the countryside. I think it's because
:27:57. > :28:03.it's about friendship. It's not about rivalry,
:28:04. > :28:10.hatred and all of the stuff that Romantic love in itself takes up
:28:11. > :28:16.about 90% of fiction. But in most of our lives,
:28:17. > :28:20.in my life, our friends I mean, wives and
:28:21. > :28:26.husbands, of course. But, having settled that,
:28:27. > :28:32.then your friendships are the permanently changing
:28:33. > :28:36.emotional story of your life. And Grahame really
:28:37. > :28:38.examines friendship. You know, the impossible friend
:28:39. > :28:42.who you keep going with, but he drives you mad,
:28:43. > :28:44.Toad. The wise old man who is rather
:28:45. > :28:48.difficult, slightly nervous, but if they do give advice,
:28:49. > :28:51.it's worth having, Badger. I mean, you can put friends
:28:52. > :28:54.in your address book # Is it any wonder that
:28:55. > :29:02.the crowds are turning out? # Hoping for a glimpse of me,
:29:03. > :29:05.but I don't hang about # Pedal to the metal,
:29:06. > :29:08.that's my motto, that's my creed Isn't he spectacular,
:29:09. > :29:17.the monarch of the road There's also, inevitably,
:29:18. > :29:23.a class element to it. Toad lives in the big house,
:29:24. > :29:26.and then you got all the weasels and the proletariat down in the wild
:29:27. > :29:32.wood and so forth. And yet, this is a story that you,
:29:33. > :29:36.as a man of the right, and Alan Bennett, as a man
:29:37. > :29:38.of the left, are almost Yes, I don't actually think
:29:39. > :29:44.the class element is a particularly big part of this production,
:29:45. > :29:48.because we've quite deliberately given accents, provincial accents
:29:49. > :29:52.to more or less all the characters to give a sense of all
:29:53. > :29:56.of England being in on it. That is how he's written,
:29:57. > :30:03.that's how he is coming you can't But Ratty is not particularly posh,
:30:04. > :30:12.nor Badger, nor Mole or anyone else. I mean, I think the weasels
:30:13. > :30:16.are the kind of angry - that's how I would describe them -
:30:17. > :30:19.the angry part of society. Odd to have Proudhon
:30:20. > :30:23.being quoted in the wild woods I think it fits the moment,
:30:24. > :30:29.though, don't you? # The kind of furry animals who go
:30:30. > :30:38.for your throats # You'll find that you come to no
:30:39. > :30:52.good. # Our societal problems are more
:30:53. > :30:57.to do with the angry, the haters, than the non-angry
:30:58. > :31:02.and the non-haters. Because you find all social classes
:31:03. > :31:05.mixed up in all the different I don't think it's nearly as clearly
:31:06. > :31:16.divided as it was 40 years ago. Downton Abbey, I think it's one
:31:17. > :31:18.of the most successful TV They love it in Russia,
:31:19. > :31:22.they love it in South America, North America, all around the world
:31:23. > :31:25.people are watching it. What is it about Downton Abbey that
:31:26. > :31:30.makes it so successful? We never said to the audience,
:31:31. > :31:44.the family are the real characters and the servants are just
:31:45. > :31:46.the funny people. Or the other way around,
:31:47. > :31:50.the family are horrible. If it had been done in the 90s,
:31:51. > :31:52.the family are horrible and malicious, and all
:31:53. > :31:54.the servants are suffering. We just said, here is a group
:31:55. > :31:59.of people, they were all dealt different cards at birth,
:32:00. > :32:03.they played them well or badly. But, for the most part,
:32:04. > :32:05.they were decent people trying I believe, and of course
:32:06. > :32:12.I sound like Pollyanna, but I believe most people are decent
:32:13. > :32:15.and trying to make Julian Fellowes, on the set
:32:16. > :32:18.of Wind in the Willows, Labour's big argument this
:32:19. > :32:24.week was over Europe The Labour leader sacked three
:32:25. > :32:29.of his frontbenchers for voting that Nigel Farage, no less,
:32:30. > :32:34.promptly tweeted, "Corbyn I'm joined by Labour's Health
:32:35. > :32:51.Spokesman, Jonathan Ashworth. Were you pleased when you saw that?
:32:52. > :32:55.I didn't see that tweet, thank you for bringing it to my attention. I'm
:32:56. > :32:59.not sure what that means. You say Labour's big argument was about the
:33:00. > :33:02.single market, the big argument was with the Government this week about
:33:03. > :33:08.the pay cap and cuts to public services. It would have been, had
:33:09. > :33:12.you not had 100 Labour MPs, 50, backing, with others, backing a
:33:13. > :33:16.motion against the views of the leadership. Nigel Farage may have a
:33:17. > :33:20.point that Jeremy Corbyn has been an opponent of the EU all the way
:33:21. > :33:26.through his career. He has been completely consistent on this
:33:27. > :33:30.subject. 1975, voted against it. 1993, Maastricht Treaty, voted
:33:31. > :33:34.against that as well. Voted against the Lisbon Treaty. All the way
:33:35. > :33:38.through he has spoken and voted very consistently against the EU. Isn't
:33:39. > :33:42.the truth that Labour is now an anti-EU party? Not at all. The
:33:43. > :33:51.Labour Party campaigns to remain in the EU. Just about. We were very
:33:52. > :33:55.enthusiastic in our campaigning. But we accept the result, the British
:33:56. > :33:59.people voted to leave. The key thing is what deal do we get?
:34:00. > :34:03.Consistently, since last year, we said we want a deal that puts jobs
:34:04. > :34:06.and prosperity first and we want a deal that maintains tariff free
:34:07. > :34:09.access to the single market, which has the same economic benefits of
:34:10. > :34:13.the single market. The Tories have been all over the place, with lots
:34:14. > :34:18.of different, competing priorities for Brexit. Our number one priority
:34:19. > :34:23.has always been jobs, the economy and the prosperity of British
:34:24. > :34:27.families. From your point of view, what was wrong with the motion
:34:28. > :34:31.against the leadership? We have a Labour Party position in the
:34:32. > :34:34.manifesto that we just stood in an election on. It didn't make it clear
:34:35. > :34:39.he would stay inside the single market. As Keir Starmer said, in
:34:40. > :34:43.eloquent terms, when he was on your show two weeks ago, what we want is
:34:44. > :34:47.a deal that puts jobs and prosperity first. We want tariff free Ascot rig
:34:48. > :34:52.access to the single market. We should get swept away with the
:34:53. > :34:56.constitutional arrangements of what that looks like. We are calling on
:34:57. > :35:01.the government to negotiate a deal that contains jobs and prosperity,
:35:02. > :35:05.allows us to have free access and the same benefits. Sorry, but you
:35:06. > :35:09.have a leader and Shadow Chancellor who are staunchly against the whole
:35:10. > :35:14.idea of the EU. They see it as capitalist conspiracy. The reason I
:35:15. > :35:17.am asked about this is that so many young voters who came to Labour on
:35:18. > :35:21.the selection, partly because they were upset by the Brexit referendum
:35:22. > :35:24.result, have been fooled, in a sense. They thought they were voting
:35:25. > :35:31.for a pro-European party. Actually, they were voting for a party led
:35:32. > :35:35.from an anti-EU standpoint. It could be construed as a little patronising
:35:36. > :35:42.to say that young voters didn't know what they were voting for when they
:35:43. > :35:45.voted for the Labour Party. The manifesto was very clear. That was a
:35:46. > :35:49.manifesto that the whole party signed up to, including Jeremy
:35:50. > :35:52.Corbyn and John McDonnell. I thought the manifesto was a fudge on that
:35:53. > :35:58.matter, but that is my view. Are you in favour of a second referendum
:35:59. > :36:01.still? I have mooted that in the past, but I don't think there is a
:36:02. > :36:07.position that has broad consensus any more. So you drop that? Me
:36:08. > :36:12.personally? Yes, that was something I speculated about in discussions
:36:13. > :36:15.such as this. Nearly, there is no appetite for that. Let's turn to the
:36:16. > :36:19.other issue that you said was essential, public sector pay and
:36:20. > :36:25.austerity. A lot of people watching this programme, nurses, teachers,
:36:26. > :36:28.doctors, fire workers, policemen, who Labour say he would remove the
:36:29. > :36:33.public sector pay cap. What they want to know is how much extra pay
:36:34. > :36:36.they will get, in percentage terms, than the Labour. We think the
:36:37. > :36:41.responsible thing to do is to ask the independent pay review bodies to
:36:42. > :36:47.make recommendations. In the manifesto, we allocated about ?4
:36:48. > :36:50.billion or public sector pay. We think the independent pay review
:36:51. > :36:53.bodies should come up with the decisions and Government should
:36:54. > :36:57.accept them. Can I just say this, the reason why this is so important,
:36:58. > :37:00.it is not just that hard-working nurses and firefighters deserve a
:37:01. > :37:04.fair pay rise, which is why we put the motion to the Commons this week,
:37:05. > :37:07.the Tories voted it down, despite what they are saying in the
:37:08. > :37:11.newspapers today. It also impacts on some of the workforce issues we
:37:12. > :37:17.have. In the NHS we haven't got enough nurses because people are
:37:18. > :37:20.leaving. Reports suggest that they are going to stack shelves because
:37:21. > :37:25.they will not stay in the service will stop European nurses are not
:37:26. > :37:29.coming. The NHS is spending billions of pounds on agency work. We believe
:37:30. > :37:35.that we can get the workforce issues under control in the NHS, we will
:37:36. > :37:39.also save money on the agency bill. Can I suggest that you can't really
:37:40. > :37:42.hide behind the pay review body recommendations, because they have
:37:43. > :37:47.made it crystal clear, as is the case now, that they operate in an
:37:48. > :37:53.envelope set by politicians, set by the government. George Osborne says
:37:54. > :37:56.there will be a 1% pay freeze for public sector workers, the pay
:37:57. > :37:59.review bodies do the detail underneath that. So Labour really
:38:00. > :38:07.has to tell people what kind of pay rise you are proposing to offer
:38:08. > :38:11.them. You have just exposed the mealy-mouthed response of the
:38:12. > :38:15.Government. And yours! They are saying wait for the pay review
:38:16. > :38:19.bodies, they are the ones insisting on the 1% cap. We are saying to get
:38:20. > :38:21.rid of that and give a fair pay rise. I think they should consider
:38:22. > :38:28.giving people a pay rise in line with earnings. Clearly they are not
:38:29. > :38:32.going to be able to overturn the 14% loss that NHS workers have had over
:38:33. > :38:37.seven years. But they have to come responsible recommendations. And we
:38:38. > :38:41.would accept them. If they say that pay in the public sector should rise
:38:42. > :38:46.as the private sector, in line with earnings, as you put it, that has
:38:47. > :38:50.been costed by the IFS as requiring an immediate ?6 billion a year now,
:38:51. > :38:54.rising to ?9.5 billion a year in the course of this Parliament. That is
:38:55. > :38:58.more than you budgeted in your manifesto. You budgeted 4 billion?
:38:59. > :39:04.But don't forget, we think we will save money across the public sector
:39:05. > :39:09.more widely. In 2015-16, three 7p was spent on agency workers. We
:39:10. > :39:15.think we can bring that right down. -- three 7p.
:39:16. > :39:23.Labour, and a Jeremy Corbyn, has a new attitude. He has sacked those
:39:24. > :39:28.frontbenchers, he is pumped up and has more authority than in the past.
:39:29. > :39:31.Ian Labrie, now a very powerful in the party machine, says he thinks
:39:32. > :39:35.that Labour has been a Broadchurch in the past, perhaps too broad. I
:39:36. > :39:44.don't really know what that means. It has always been a Broadchurch. We
:39:45. > :39:47.have always been a broad church, we have had different opinions. We are
:39:48. > :39:52.taking on the Conservatives over their cuts. There are big cuts
:39:53. > :39:54.coming to the NHS, expenditure plans which Jeremy Hunt has refused to
:39:55. > :39:58.give details on. In the Labour Party, we will be increasing the
:39:59. > :40:00.pressure on Jeremy Hunt, asking for details of cuts. We have a broad
:40:01. > :40:10.church and always have had. I think he was saying that the left
:40:11. > :40:16.have a right to control the Labour Party after a successful campaign,
:40:17. > :40:19.and if they want to impose a new discipline of responsibility and
:40:20. > :40:24.authority, led by Jeremy Corbyn, they have the right to do that. I
:40:25. > :40:27.suspect the point Ian Labrie is making is that Jeremy is now secure
:40:28. > :40:30.as leader of the Labour Party. Nobody is going to be challenging
:40:31. > :40:35.him, we will not have the turmoil we have seen in recent years. The
:40:36. > :40:40.turmoil is now in the Conservative Party. We have lots of different and
:40:41. > :40:43.is to say they want to get rid of tuition fees, they want more money
:40:44. > :40:47.for schools, the Conservatives are in a mess. It sounds like you
:40:48. > :40:49.disagree with Ian Labrie. I've not seen his interview!
:40:50. > :40:54.Now a look at what's coming up straight after this programme.
:40:55. > :41:01.Quay Coming up, 2 billion people are now on Facebook. Can we no longer
:41:02. > :41:05.live without social media? And Jimmy McGovern tells us why he wanted Sean
:41:06. > :41:08.Bean to take the lead role as a priest in Broken. Fare
:41:09. > :41:11.A year ago this weekend, Michael Gove, fresh from triumph
:41:12. > :41:12.in the Brexit referendum, launched his own
:41:13. > :41:17.Sacked by Theresa May, he's now back as her Environment Secretary
:41:18. > :41:23.and once more a big voice in the Cabinet.
:41:24. > :41:31.Welcome. Can I ask you, first of all, why DUP voters and people in
:41:32. > :41:33.Northern Ireland are getting an extra ?1 billion, essentially
:41:34. > :41:37.because voters across the rest of the UK didn't much like Theresa
:41:38. > :41:42.May's election campaign? I don't think that is an entirely fair
:41:43. > :41:45.characterisation. What is unfair about it? The reason why we are
:41:46. > :41:49.investing in Northern Ireland, it is not just DUP voters, everybody
:41:50. > :41:53.Northern Irelanders receiving this, because there are unique problems
:41:54. > :41:56.that flow from the Troubles in Northern Ireland. Everything from
:41:57. > :42:01.mental health to infrastructure of the province needs additional
:42:02. > :42:04.investment, and the investment has been welcomed by Labour politicians
:42:05. > :42:09.and politicians in Northern Ireland outside of the DUP. This was an
:42:10. > :42:14.extraordinary, blazing discovery, suddenly made after you've lost your
:42:15. > :42:16.overall majority? No, it is fair to say that in conversation with the
:42:17. > :42:21.Democratic Unionists and in conversation with our own party, we
:42:22. > :42:25.wanted to make sure that we have as secure a majority as possible. They
:42:26. > :42:29.had you over a barrel and said ?1 billion on the nail, now, all we
:42:30. > :42:35.don't support you. You said, all right then? Not quite. There are two
:42:36. > :42:38.things which are important to say. We all know the Conservatives don't
:42:39. > :42:41.have a majority, we didn't get one of the general election and
:42:42. > :42:46.therefore we wanted to be in a position in order to provide a
:42:47. > :42:49.secure majority for the Queen's Speech, a chance to ensure we could
:42:50. > :42:52.govern in the national interest. We had conversations with the DUP. It
:42:53. > :42:57.is also the case that the money that is being spent in Northern Ireland
:42:58. > :43:01.is being spent in a way that crosses all of the sectarian divides of the
:43:02. > :43:05.past. It is money that has been welcomed by people not just within
:43:06. > :43:08.Northern Ireland, but across the United Kingdom, as a proper
:43:09. > :43:12.investment in making sure that our kingdom is stronger, that our union
:43:13. > :43:16.is protected. Where does it come from? As all taxpayer money comes
:43:17. > :43:22.from comic comes from you and I, hard-working people that
:43:23. > :43:27.contribute... Not quite my question, are you going to raise taxes, are
:43:28. > :43:29.you going to borrow more or take money from other budgets? The
:43:30. > :43:36.Chancellor quite rightly prioritises making sure that only have part of
:43:37. > :43:41.the country that have suffered over the past... This is not an answer.
:43:42. > :43:46.You know that. But your question is predicated... The money has to come
:43:47. > :43:49.from somewhere. All taxpayer money comes from hard-working people
:43:50. > :43:55.across the country. It is not just that the Northern Irish get ?1
:43:56. > :43:57.billion, if it is an English wrote a comment is coming from money that
:43:58. > :44:02.you would have otherwise had spent on you. You lose money and they get
:44:03. > :44:07.it? You assume that when it comes to public spending that it is a
:44:08. > :44:10.zero-sum game where you set individual against individual. We
:44:11. > :44:15.want to make sure the United Kingdom, altogether, is stronger.
:44:16. > :44:18.Making sure we invest, not just in Northern Ireland, but as part of the
:44:19. > :44:21.arrangement, we are also ensuring that pensioners are protected, the
:44:22. > :44:26.triple lock is there. We are making sure that the Winter Fuel Payment is
:44:27. > :44:32.also in place. As a result of this people across the United Kingdom
:44:33. > :44:35.benefit. Let me ask you in more detail about that. This is money
:44:36. > :44:39.that has presumably come from current budgets and is going to go
:44:40. > :44:43.to Northern Ireland. The problem is, from now on, every single time
:44:44. > :44:46.somebody asks for money for teachers or nurses, or housing, whatever it
:44:47. > :44:49.may be, and the government says there is no magic money tree, they
:44:50. > :44:55.say there is, we have just seen it in Northern Ireland.
:44:56. > :45:03.That argument will always be there, people say, you have found money for
:45:04. > :45:10.this, you have found money for that. But people in the UK won't argue
:45:11. > :45:16.that we need to invest in Northern Ireland. It is, you can't find money
:45:17. > :45:22.for this, that or the other the public wants, but when it is keeping
:45:23. > :45:28.you secure in your cabinet seats, bingo, ?1 billion is able to be
:45:29. > :45:31.found. There is only one way we can have a secure government in this
:45:32. > :45:35.country and that is having Theresa May as Prime Minister and making
:45:36. > :45:39.sure we have a secure and stable government over the next five years,
:45:40. > :45:45.that we talk to parties in the house and the DUP work able to talk to the
:45:46. > :45:50.Tories on a confidence and supply bases in essence. They want to
:45:51. > :45:54.ensure the government is strong over the next five years and we have a
:45:55. > :45:59.public policy that will ensure growth and will bear down on the
:46:00. > :46:03.deficit. The alternative would have been to allow Jeremy Corbyn to take
:46:04. > :46:07.over and that would have mean higher taxes and the economy going over a
:46:08. > :46:13.cliff and less money for everyone. So making sure that making sure that
:46:14. > :46:17.Theresa May is Prime Minister and Philip is Chancellor of fixture,
:46:18. > :46:22.ensures we can pursue the policies which are generating growth and
:46:23. > :46:27.bearing down on the deficit. I think your characterisation of it is,
:46:28. > :46:38.focusing on one area of public spending at the expense... I am
:46:39. > :46:41.thinking of it as a bung. It that is unfair to the people of Northern
:46:42. > :46:46.Ireland and decisions were taking with the interests of everyone in
:46:47. > :46:50.the United Kingdom. Of course we spend more money on different parts
:46:51. > :46:54.of the United Kingdom, we spend more money on Scotland and Wales. But
:46:55. > :47:00.they don't get any more as a result of that? No, but as a result we have
:47:01. > :47:06.deliberately made sure those parts of the United Kingdom that have
:47:07. > :47:10.special needs, are supported more generously. And nobody can say the
:47:11. > :47:15.legacy of the troubles is nothing more than a melancholy one, we want
:47:16. > :47:27.to make sure Northern Ireland can emerge from that process stronger.
:47:28. > :47:32.Bung, the implement ... It implies this money is going to the DUP on
:47:33. > :47:37.their own as though it was a partisan deal? It is about
:47:38. > :47:41.strengthening the whole of the United Kingdom. Let's reflect more
:47:42. > :47:44.on the oddness of all of this. You have just lauded the fact that the
:47:45. > :47:49.triple lock is now going to be saved. The triple lock was
:47:50. > :47:53.threatened because it was in your manifesto to threaten it, so you
:47:54. > :47:57.have been rolled over. When you are saying yes, you are being rolled
:47:58. > :48:03.over! It is very odd. It is absolutely right we should, after a
:48:04. > :48:06.general election we didn't secure a majority but we should have the
:48:07. > :48:11.opportunity to review how we help the most vulnerable in our society.
:48:12. > :48:15.Can we determine there will not be another big amount of money, I won't
:48:16. > :48:20.call it a bung, but a large amount of money paid to the DUP, the first
:48:21. > :48:25.permanent secretary said, they will be back for more. Chris Patten said
:48:26. > :48:34.the same thing. The money doesn't go to the DUP. It goes to their voters
:48:35. > :48:37.who don't support them. It goes to Sinn Fein voters, SDLP voters, it
:48:38. > :48:45.goes to the people of Northern Ireland. There is a tendency, which
:48:46. > :48:49.some fall prey to, which I know you don't, Andrew, suggest the people of
:48:50. > :48:56.Northern Ireland don't deserve this money and the DUP somehow... People
:48:57. > :49:03.across Shropshire, Perthshire and everywhere else will be saying, yes
:49:04. > :49:08.I do deserve it, but I can't get it because I don't hold the Tory party
:49:09. > :49:14.to ransom. You characterise it as money for the DUP, it is money for
:49:15. > :49:18.the people of Northern Ireland. We want to help people who were
:49:19. > :49:20.experiencing additional strains, people who are vulnerable and people
:49:21. > :49:27.who need the support of the state most. We wanted to ensure the United
:49:28. > :49:31.Kingdom is stronger as a result of the next five years in government
:49:32. > :49:37.and this will help cement the ties between all the people of these
:49:38. > :49:40.islands, Protestant and Catholic, Northern Irish, Welsh, Scottish and
:49:41. > :49:48.English. Let's turn to the people who need help of the state, is it
:49:49. > :49:59.time to remove the PEI cap on public sector pay? We need to listen to the
:50:00. > :50:04.pay review bodies. That isn't good enough. George Osborne told the last
:50:05. > :50:09.parliament there would be a public sector pay freeze of 1%. Under that
:50:10. > :50:16.they then do the detail. If the public sector pay cap is going to be
:50:17. > :50:26.removed, it has to be the government but does that. I was Education
:50:27. > :50:32.Secretary and I note the education pay is not a poodle. They take
:50:33. > :50:36.account of other questions as well, including the number of people
:50:37. > :50:39.entering the profession and if we need an increase in pay to make sure
:50:40. > :50:45.we get the best people in the profession. These pay review bodies
:50:46. > :50:49.have been set up to ensure we have authoritative advice on what is
:50:50. > :50:54.required to ensure the public services, on which we rely are
:50:55. > :50:57.effectively staffed and people in them are effectively supported. Jon
:50:58. > :51:04.Ashworth made it clear it's a Labour Party quality to listen to what the
:51:05. > :51:13.pay review bodies do. The same fudge as you. Public sector pay policy has
:51:14. > :51:17.been set out by the UK Government until 2019 until 2020 and provides a
:51:18. > :51:21.context for recommendations in England. As Michael Gove, as an
:51:22. > :51:27.individual man sitting there, would you like to see the public pay cap
:51:28. > :51:31.removed? We should respect the integrity of that process. I am not
:51:32. > :51:38.in individual, I am part of a collective team. And if you is, we
:51:39. > :51:42.should respect the integrity of the process. One of the things about
:51:43. > :51:47.government, you don't exercise your views on the basis of a whim, you
:51:48. > :51:53.have written a brilliant article in the Sunday Times today, where you
:51:54. > :52:00.have two suppress your own views. Flattery will not get you anywhere.
:52:01. > :52:05.Sometimes I have two suppress mine because I work as part of a
:52:06. > :52:09.collective team. Justine Greening, your successor as Education
:52:10. > :52:16.Secretary is asking for ?1 billion for student funding, that the per
:52:17. > :52:20.capita figure goes up, is she right? She is right to review how we spend
:52:21. > :52:25.money in education, but having been Education Secretary, I wouldn't want
:52:26. > :52:28.to sucking guessed her as an incumbent. She wants to review how
:52:29. > :52:33.the money is spent, I won't presume to give her instructions on that
:52:34. > :52:38.matter. Do you think the election result means we cannot go through a
:52:39. > :52:47.period where we can't have per capita cuts this student funding?
:52:48. > :52:50.What we had overall, we have had the overall schools budget protected.
:52:51. > :52:56.But as the population has grown, that meant they might per capita is
:52:57. > :52:59.under strain. Justine Greening is reviewing that and I don't want to
:53:00. > :53:05.sucking guessed the decisions she should make on that with the support
:53:06. > :53:10.of the Chancellor. Damian Green has said it is time to have a national
:53:11. > :53:13.debate about tuition fees. Lots of younger voters went out and voted
:53:14. > :53:19.Labour because they don't like the idea of tuition fees and they think
:53:20. > :53:22.the system can be changed. Damian Green suggested your party has to
:53:23. > :53:27.engage in a serious conversation about that, do you agree? Yes, but
:53:28. > :53:37.it is important to look at those remarks and what he said. He was
:53:38. > :53:44.pointing out the current system is ensuring it is properly funded and
:53:45. > :53:50.it is fair. If you get rid of it, you have to find the money from
:53:51. > :53:56.somewhere else? Damian was saying, what I believe, is if we have two
:53:57. > :54:00.fund higher education, if people who get university degrees to go on to
:54:01. > :54:05.earn well, they should pay something back and that is what the current
:54:06. > :54:09.system does. It is wrong, if people don't go to university, they have to
:54:10. > :54:15.pay more in taxation to support those who do. I believe, the purpose
:54:16. > :54:18.of government policy is to support everyone equally and if you don't
:54:19. > :54:28.benefit from a university education, you shouldn't have to pay
:54:29. > :54:31.additionally to support those who do. Our taxes in this government are
:54:32. > :54:39.having to go up slightly as Oliver letter man and Chris Patten have
:54:40. > :54:43.suggested? I don't see any need for them to do. I think the Chancellor
:54:44. > :54:46.of the Exchequer will know how to move the levers in order to make
:54:47. > :54:51.sure the economy works better when it comes to the budget. You are
:54:52. > :54:55.chastising me for not sticking to your brief, so I will return to
:54:56. > :55:00.this. Is this headline true? Yes it is. The headline says, no foreign
:55:01. > :55:08.fishing in our waters, will it be banned? Fishing in the immediate
:55:09. > :55:15.area around our borders, six to 12 miles, we will be saying we are
:55:16. > :55:19.taking back control and we will... No French, Spanish boats? We will be
:55:20. > :55:25.in control and we will have the terms of access. When we leave the
:55:26. > :55:32.EU, we can then extend control of our waters up to 200 miles, or the
:55:33. > :55:37.line between Britain and France or Britain and Ireland. We then decide.
:55:38. > :55:42.We can then negotiate with other countries... It might not be true,
:55:43. > :55:47.there might be French and Spanish boats in our waters. No, no foreign
:55:48. > :55:53.boats in this six to 12 zone. But we can decide on which basis we can let
:55:54. > :55:58.people in. Isn't there a border problem with the Irish, extending
:55:59. > :56:03.our fishing border too close to the Irish? It is an arrangement between
:56:04. > :56:08.Britain and Ireland. I don't think it will be the last time this
:56:09. > :56:15.agreement is discussed on the Andrew Marr programme. Can I move onto
:56:16. > :56:18.farming? Know, one critical thing about the Common fisheries policy,
:56:19. > :56:23.it has been an environmental disaster. We want to ensure we can
:56:24. > :56:27.have sustainable fish stocks for the future. When we leave the European
:56:28. > :56:32.Union, we are taking back control, not just of our waters... I need
:56:33. > :56:38.control of this interview because we are running out of time. It is
:56:39. > :56:45.important we recognise... We need to help the environment. That is what I
:56:46. > :56:49.wanted to ask you about. You have said we need a free-trade deal with
:56:50. > :56:53.America and the Americans are keen on that. But what the American
:56:54. > :57:03.farming Association is clear about, for it to work we will have to had
:57:04. > :57:08.to accept some of American standards, chlorine washed chicken,
:57:09. > :57:13.all sorts of GM products without them being labelled and as part of a
:57:14. > :57:16.free-trade deal, we will have to accept them. Are you clear our
:57:17. > :57:20.environmental and food standards will not be loosened in any way as a
:57:21. > :57:28.result of leaving the EU and doing free-trade deals with other
:57:29. > :57:32.countries as well as America? Yes. It is always a good idea to have the
:57:33. > :57:38.answer is much shorter than the questions. Up until the end of this
:57:39. > :57:42.Parliament, farmers have been guaranteed subsidies will not come
:57:43. > :57:46.down, after that it is a moot point. We have suggested wealthy farmers
:57:47. > :57:50.who get huge amounts of money from the EU like Sir James Dyson and
:57:51. > :58:00.others, will get less money under the regime? Yes. Is no deal better
:58:01. > :58:11.than a bad deal? Yes. Would no deal be a bad outcome for Britain? It
:58:12. > :58:16.would be not an ideal situation. We want to concentrate on getting a
:58:17. > :58:19.very good deal. It will allow us to have free trade with the European
:58:20. > :58:25.Union, but with other countries as well. No tariff barriers. That means
:58:26. > :58:29.British food, which has a world reputation for quality, will be able
:58:30. > :58:33.to board by more people and as we grow and produce more, we can ensure
:58:34. > :58:39.our countryside and rural economy is more productive. On top of that, we
:58:40. > :58:44.can also, as he would gracious enough to acknowledge earlier, to
:58:45. > :58:49.ensure we not only maintain environmental standards, we in
:58:50. > :58:53.Hanson. We can take steps on live animal exports to make sure it is
:58:54. > :58:58.higher than ever before so we can have a green Brexit to ensure
:58:59. > :59:04.Gritton is an environmental leader. Were you surprised to be brought
:59:05. > :59:05.back? Yes. Michael Gove, thank you very much.
:59:06. > :59:32.'..to learn about the food I cook for my family...'
:59:33. > :59:32.Tell me, what is so good about these potatoes?
:59:33. > :59:34.'From the heights of the Scottish Highlands
:59:35. > :59:38.'to the shores of East Anglia, I've travelled across Britain...'
:59:39. > :59:42.'..to learn about the food I cook for my family...'
:59:43. > :59:45.Tell me, what is so good about these potatoes?