:00:00. > :00:10.Heat rising and the politicians, frankly exhausted, desperate
:00:11. > :00:15.On the surface, everyone's trying to radiate confidence.
:00:16. > :00:18.Theresa May assures the G20 she's staying on.
:00:19. > :00:21.Jeremy Corbyn's greeted as a conquering hero
:00:22. > :00:28.But behind the smiles, endless intrigue, endless plotting,
:00:29. > :00:30.and its all dripping into this morning's press.
:00:31. > :00:52.At Westminster there's nothing more lethal than a summer party.
:00:53. > :00:54.The new Justice Secretary, David Lidington, isn't,
:00:55. > :00:57.so far as one can tell, plotting to be leader
:00:58. > :01:02.But he's here to answer some big questions on Brexit,
:01:03. > :01:07.On the Labour side, I'm joined by key Corbyn ally
:01:08. > :01:09.and fast-rising star, Angela Rayner.
:01:10. > :01:12.You'd think the Labour family, at least, is warm and united.
:01:13. > :01:17.And from the Lib Dems, as they head towards a leadership coronation,
:01:18. > :01:20.the man who will be king, Vince Cable, on what on earth
:01:21. > :01:32.And reviewing the news, one of the shrewdest analysts
:01:33. > :01:34.of the British Left, Stephen Bush, from the
:01:35. > :01:37.New Statesman, who predicted the Corbyn phenomenon before it
:01:38. > :01:40.happened, the deputy editor of the Sunday Times, Sarah Baxter,
:01:41. > :01:46.and the Conservative commentator, editor of Reaction, Iain Martin.
:01:47. > :01:49.And from The West Wing to the West End.
:01:50. > :01:54.Stockard Channing on her angry return to the London stage.
:01:55. > :02:03.The Lumineers will be lighting up the studio later.
:02:04. > :02:13.# You've been on my mind girl # Oh This Is Us Fehily I#
:02:14. > :02:21.Iraqi government forces say they're within hours of recapturing
:02:22. > :02:25.the Iraqi city of Mosul from Islamic State militants.
:02:26. > :02:27.Soldiers have been celebrating in the streets of the Old City
:02:28. > :02:29.and civilians have been emerging from the rubble
:02:30. > :02:34.Sporadic fighting has continued, but a final declaration
:02:35. > :02:40.The number of mobile phones and drugs smuggled
:02:41. > :02:43.into prisons is unacceptable, according to the Government.
:02:44. > :02:48.More than 20,000 phones and SIM cards and over 200 kilograms
:02:49. > :02:52.of narcotics were found in jails in England and Wales last year.
:02:53. > :02:56.The seizures follow a ?2 million investment in technology
:02:57. > :03:01.The Government has promised to recruit more prison officers
:03:02. > :03:07.The parents of Charlie Gard have said the fight is not over ahead
:03:08. > :03:10.of a new court battle over his treatment.
:03:11. > :03:14.Connie Yates and Chris Gard want to take 11-month-old Charlie,
:03:15. > :03:16.who's terminally ill, to America for
:03:17. > :03:22.The couple are expected to join supporters in delivering a petition
:03:23. > :03:26.with more than 350,000 signatures to Great Ormond Street
:03:27. > :03:31.A state of emergency has been declared in the Canadian province
:03:32. > :03:35.of British Columbia, where the authorities are battling
:03:36. > :03:41.Thousands of homes have been evacuated and some destroyed.
:03:42. > :03:44.Most of the blazes started after lightning strikes
:03:45. > :03:51.A wealthy businessman has submitted alternative plans
:03:52. > :03:53.for a third runway at Heathrow, which he says would save
:03:54. > :04:00.The hotel tycoon, Surinder Arora, suggests changing the design
:04:01. > :04:03.of terminal buildings and reducing the amount of land built on.
:04:04. > :04:07.A spokesperson for the airport said they would welcome views
:04:08. > :04:11.on the plans during a public consultation later this year.
:04:12. > :04:15.The next news on BBC One is at One o'clock.
:04:16. > :04:25.Now the front pages are quite good for Theresa May today. There's the
:04:26. > :04:30.Sunday Telegraph - Brexit, May plays the Trump card, that's about a
:04:31. > :04:35.promise of a big, fast deal. Again there's the Sunday Times, similar
:04:36. > :04:43.thing - Trump throws May a life line with trade deal. Sunday Express -
:04:44. > :04:48.May dealt Trump card on Brexit. Same headline there, obvious pun. The
:04:49. > :04:51.Observer a more pessimistic view with a stark warning from German
:04:52. > :04:56.industry that Britain is not going to get the easy deal, easy access
:04:57. > :05:01.into the single market that it thinks. Finally, I talked about the
:05:02. > :05:07.poison dripping into the Sunday papers, May must quit now says chief
:05:08. > :05:10.Davis ally. That's Andrew Mitchell and he doesn't deny saying she was
:05:11. > :05:15.in trouble and has to stand aside. Whether that is really a plot or
:05:16. > :05:19.not, we will discuss that later. We start with the G20, Sarah.
:05:20. > :05:23.Yes, Mrs May has come back with a spring in her step because the world
:05:24. > :05:27.leaders were very nice to her. Particularly Donald Trump, who
:05:28. > :05:30.promised her a very big deal, a very powerful, a huge deal, we're not
:05:31. > :05:37.sure what it involves. It's going to be huge! We know that. As you say,
:05:38. > :05:41.China, Japan, India, she's coming back with something that could be
:05:42. > :05:46.good for Brexit Britain. But we're only calling it a life line. She's
:05:47. > :05:51.still on the ropes. Everything that she does is now seen within the
:05:52. > :05:55.context of internal battles in the Tory Party. It's seen as a rebuke to
:05:56. > :06:01.her Chancellor who had been saying that we have to stay as closely as
:06:02. > :06:05.we possibly can to the EU in our deals. And there's plenty of
:06:06. > :06:10.plotting going on. In-fighting is all over the place in the papers.
:06:11. > :06:18.Meanwhile, we enjoy the G20 as a spectacle on many, in many ways,
:06:19. > :06:21.including Ivana Trump between the Chinese president and Angela Merkel.
:06:22. > :06:30.This is a fuzzy shot, but it's wonderful. We have here President
:06:31. > :06:38.Xi, Angela Merkel, Theresa May, we have President Erdogan, hang on, not
:06:39. > :06:41.elected first daughter Ivanka. I'm afraid it's not a very good look for
:06:42. > :06:48.America. I speak as someone who is half American. It's not a good look
:06:49. > :06:52.for the world's biggest democracy. Nor necessarily are the protests in
:06:53. > :06:56.Hamburg a good look for Germany? Yeah, it's interesting the way in
:06:57. > :07:03.which these summits now happen in that there's a bubble inside, where
:07:04. > :07:09.all of that goes on, all of this. Then outside you have probably the
:07:10. > :07:16.worst demonstrations and riots if you will actually since Genoa in
:07:17. > :07:21.2001. There's a brilliant piece in Hamburg which explains just how
:07:22. > :07:26.serious it was. Hundreds of injured police. What troubles me about it,
:07:27. > :07:30.what people should be concerned about is that the atmosphere is so
:07:31. > :07:33.febrile internationally at the moment. The global economy is not
:07:34. > :07:39.quite as strong as everyone thinks it is. We're moving into an era of
:07:40. > :07:45.protest and a rise of a resurgent hard left - These are people who
:07:46. > :07:51.feel let down by the world economy. Precisely. The ingredients are there
:07:52. > :07:55.as interest rates rise and we get in difficult economic decisions. Things
:07:56. > :08:00.could be bumpier. Single most interesting piece I thought in
:08:01. > :08:05.today's papers was the former Brexit minister, David Jones, who has left
:08:06. > :08:09.the Government, writing really quite an angry and outspoken piece in the
:08:10. > :08:13.Mail on Sunday. Yes, talking about the fact that there are people in
:08:14. > :08:16.Whitehall who he says are trying to block Brexit or at least have a form
:08:17. > :08:20.of Brexit which is so close to staying in we might as well have
:08:21. > :08:23.never left. He references Hotel California. It comes back to the
:08:24. > :08:27.Government's weakness. The problem for Theresa May, while she is mostly
:08:28. > :08:31.the candidate of hard Brexit, as it were, one of the reasons why she
:08:32. > :08:36.might be more secure than we think, the issue of money is the one trump
:08:37. > :08:41.card she has kept. She hasn't ruled out continuing to pay into the EU to
:08:42. > :08:43.get the standard of access. He's coming out explicitly against that.
:08:44. > :08:48.The difficulty for the Government, it's hard to see any deal really
:08:49. > :08:53.that commands majority support in the Conservative Party, let alone in
:08:54. > :08:58.the House of Commons as a whole. It will get naturally quickly -- gnarly
:08:59. > :09:01.quickly. There's a piece in the Sunday Times talking about how angry
:09:02. > :09:04.the Remainers are with Theresa May. She's not making anybody happy at
:09:05. > :09:07.the moment. In that piece, David Jones talks about treason and he
:09:08. > :09:10.says there are four things that are going to happen if we're not
:09:11. > :09:13.careful. We're going to stay in the single market, we're going to stay
:09:14. > :09:16.in the customs union, we will stay under the European Court of Justice
:09:17. > :09:21.and carry on paying money. That is not Brexit. That is not leaving.
:09:22. > :09:25.There's an extraordinary quote in the same paper about a pro-Brexit MP
:09:26. > :09:28.speaking anonymously saying, well, if it's a question of threatening
:09:29. > :09:31.Brexit, if Theresa May's weakness means we're going to not get a
:09:32. > :09:38.proper Brexit, we'd rather have a Labour Government for a while. I'd
:09:39. > :09:44.rather bring the House down. What could possibly go wrong (! ) It
:09:45. > :09:46.illustrates that Brexiteers and ultra-remainers need a holiday. They
:09:47. > :09:52.need to go to the south of France and Spain and lie down for a while.
:09:53. > :09:57.Having said that, there's this extraordinary difficulty that the
:09:58. > :10:02.Tory Party has in that it's clear to everyone else that there needs to be
:10:03. > :10:05.some form of xrmise or certain concessions -- compromise or
:10:06. > :10:08.concessions delivered. A substantial part of the Parliamentary party
:10:09. > :10:13.isn't going to want that. Wants no concession. There is a kamikaze
:10:14. > :10:17.wing, for sure of the Tory Party which would rather lose power than
:10:18. > :10:21.see their precious very hard Brexit be delivered. It's absolutely mad.
:10:22. > :10:24.It wouldn't be the first time that Jeremy Corbyn has been
:10:25. > :10:28.underestimated. You remember all the Labour moderates who thought oh,
:10:29. > :10:32.we'll put him on the ballot what could possibly go wrong... It's a
:10:33. > :10:37.small group, but so is the Government. This is interesting,
:10:38. > :10:41.Jeremy Corbyn has been taking a hard line Brexit position and we were
:10:42. > :10:46.teasing Labour last week with the Nigel Farage tweet, you know, Jeremy
:10:47. > :10:50.Corbyn's almost a proper chap, he said. Actually the bigger question,
:10:51. > :10:54.can Jeremy Corbyn use Theresa May's problems over things like the great
:10:55. > :10:58.repeal Bill to force a Commons defeat which brings on the Autumn
:10:59. > :11:01.election he wants? Yes, all he needs is an issue on which serve
:11:02. > :11:06.Conservative MPs agree with the majority Labour view. This is an
:11:07. > :11:09.issue where there is a majority consensus around the Labour view.
:11:10. > :11:13.The great repeal bill next week will be uncomfortable for the Government
:11:14. > :11:16.for precisely this reason, particularly around the issue of the
:11:17. > :11:20.role of the ECJ. Most people recognise you have to have some kind
:11:21. > :11:23.of xrmise. That's the view of the -- compromise. That's the view of the
:11:24. > :11:26.Labour Party. Jeremy's personal politics are not that into the
:11:27. > :11:31.European Court of Justice. He doesn't have religion on the EU.
:11:32. > :11:35.He's a Euro-sceptic, but not a kamikaze Euro-sceptic. He's willing
:11:36. > :11:39.to use this issue as a wedge. Fundamentally I think Labour thinks
:11:40. > :11:45.they have the Remainor vote in the bag or substantial majority of it.
:11:46. > :11:50.It reminds me a lot of what John Smith did over Maastricht Treaty,
:11:51. > :11:53.where he agreed with the Government but when you're attempting to bring
:11:54. > :11:56.down the Government it doesn't matter. It's about the numbers and
:11:57. > :12:00.tactics. I mentioned Andrew Mitchell, who is alleged to be a key
:12:01. > :12:03.ally of David Davis, you never know whether these things are true or
:12:04. > :12:07.not, saying that Theresa May is in deep trouble and there needs to be a
:12:08. > :12:11.leadership change. David Davis, if I were him, I wouldn't be happy with
:12:12. > :12:15.the coverage because he's all over the papers. He is the obvious unity
:12:16. > :12:18.candidate for the Tory Party in due course. He is the guy who could hold
:12:19. > :12:24.things together. You can't do that if people think that you're
:12:25. > :12:28.launching this as well. Yes Andrew Mitchell shouldn't be forgotten ran
:12:29. > :12:33.David Davis' campaign in 2005, where Davis lost to David Cameron. I
:12:34. > :12:36.think, yes there is a lot of plotting going on. A lot of
:12:37. > :12:39.conversations going on. Andrew Mitchell says, this was a private
:12:40. > :12:44.conversation, don't entirely recognise the words. No such thing
:12:45. > :12:48.at the moment! Certainly in front of Tory MPs. Yes in our paper he's
:12:49. > :12:53.quoted as saying people who think that should have a quiet lie down. I
:12:54. > :12:58.think he's playing both ends on this game. The question really for
:12:59. > :13:02.Theresa May is - and the difficulty and the reason she might be replaced
:13:03. > :13:08.sooner than people think - is that a lot of this is going to come down to
:13:09. > :13:12.authority. You talk about in the Mail it says the PM has lost all
:13:13. > :13:15.authority. When you get to the next stage of doing a deal with the
:13:16. > :13:18.European Union, a lot of it will come down to the personalities, can
:13:19. > :13:22.the Prime Minister sit down with Macron and Merkel and make a
:13:23. > :13:26.breakthrough? She has to come back next week and knock heads together
:13:27. > :13:29.and reassert herself in a big way doesn't she? I'm sure she will
:13:30. > :13:33.attempt that. How many Prime Ministerial relaunches have we lived
:13:34. > :13:36.through? They tend not to work. If there's one issue where the
:13:37. > :13:39.Conservatives have been on the back foot in some disarray, I guess, it's
:13:40. > :13:42.tuition fees after that big offer from Jeremy Corbyn during the
:13:43. > :13:46.election campaign. More news on that this morning. # Yes, this is an
:13:47. > :13:52.issue I've been following closely because I have a daughter at
:13:53. > :13:55.university. I definitely think the Tories have got themselves into a
:13:56. > :14:02.big hole over this. Tuition fees have been a much bigger issue than
:14:03. > :14:04.they ever dreamt of. What they're particularly embased about now is
:14:05. > :14:09.the spotlight on the punitive interest rates that are going to be
:14:10. > :14:15.charged on tuition fees. We're in a very low interest rate period. Kids
:14:16. > :14:18.are running up debts of ?40,000, ?50,000 and are expected to pay 6%
:14:19. > :14:23.interest on them coming this Autumn and the Government know that Jeremy
:14:24. > :14:29.Corbyn will continue to win this issue hands down and maybe he will
:14:30. > :14:32.any way, but I think we're saying, we're quoting sources close to the
:14:33. > :14:36.Education Secretary this morning saying that they're going to review
:14:37. > :14:39.those interest rates. We're calling for it in our leader. I'm sure those
:14:40. > :14:47.interest rates are going to come down. It's inflation plus 3% is the
:14:48. > :14:50.measure that. Happened under George Osborne. Maybe we can expect an
:14:51. > :14:55.investigation by the Evening Standard. I'm not paying that on my
:14:56. > :15:01.mortgage. Why should students pay it? If you don't pay your mortgage
:15:02. > :15:06.for three years you lose the house. Whereas when I didn't pay my tuition
:15:07. > :15:12.fees no-one repossessed anything. You are live on television. I think
:15:13. > :15:15.the difficulty with tuition fees is it's actually a clever way the
:15:16. > :15:18.treasure found of raising income tax on a group of people who didn't
:15:19. > :15:23.vote. Jeremy Corbyn has politicised those people. Now it's an income tax
:15:24. > :15:29.rise. We know how unpopular and short lived rises on income tax are.
:15:30. > :15:34.On the Labour side a deselection row going on. Calls for mandatory
:15:35. > :15:37.reselection of MPs which could threaten lots of Blairite or
:15:38. > :15:41.centrist Labour MPs. Some of them are saying, if that happens we'll
:15:42. > :15:53.cause by-elections. Yes, there is a good story by
:15:54. > :15:58.Caroline Wheeler on it. Until we have a name it doesn't feel
:15:59. > :16:02.plausible, not least because I actually think the deselections are
:16:03. > :16:07.less likely to happen than people think. The average person voting for
:16:08. > :16:11.Jeremy Corbyn is not someone on Twitter with a hammer and sickle, it
:16:12. > :16:16.is someone who is worried about public services and the European
:16:17. > :16:22.Union. The Labour Party is more in the country than people think. There
:16:23. > :16:27.has been a huge malicious war against Luciano verger, hasn't
:16:28. > :16:31.there, on Merseyside which has real echoes of the old militants. That's
:16:32. > :16:42.when militants were strong in the past. Actually few MPs were
:16:43. > :16:46.deselected. One was deselected because he was lazy. Actually the
:16:47. > :16:50.Labour Party was less fractured than people believe. The average Labour
:16:51. > :16:58.member is more disposed to their own MPs in people actually think. The
:16:59. > :17:03.Labour Party is behind the scenes at war in its own way and I think the
:17:04. > :17:09.moderates have got to work out how on earth they respond. And if
:17:10. > :17:13.everybody was being well-behaved, disciplined, quiet and sticking on
:17:14. > :17:18.the mineral water, we would have nothing to talk about so thanks to
:17:19. > :17:19.all MPs from all sides and thanks to you for the paper review.
:17:20. > :17:21.Fascinating. And if we're talking chillis,
:17:22. > :17:29.then on the Scoville Scale, It's been hotter than scotch
:17:30. > :17:33.bonnets, hotter than the habanero. It's been up there
:17:34. > :17:48.with the Dragons Breath I love that comparison, and we have
:17:49. > :17:53.got a mixed bag across the country today. It's not plain sailing for
:17:54. > :17:58.everyone. We have more cloud today and it is rain bearing cloud with
:17:59. > :18:02.plenty of sunshine further south but we have atmospheric pictures sent in
:18:03. > :18:06.this morning. An hour or so ago this was in the south-west, in Scotland
:18:07. > :18:09.we have the rain as I mentioned and it will continue to move across
:18:10. > :18:13.Northern Ireland and central southern Scotland for the rest of
:18:14. > :18:22.the day. We have a weather front here and another bump on that
:18:23. > :18:25.weather front will pep up the rain this afternoon. Either side of it it
:18:26. > :18:27.is drier, brighter and warmer than yesterday and we will see the mist
:18:28. > :18:32.and low cloud lifting across Wales. Another very warm day, we could hit
:18:33. > :18:35.28, 29, and if we do that could trigger under showers across the
:18:36. > :18:43.Midlands into the south-east and East Anglia. Obviously those to
:18:44. > :18:52.watch out for if you are travelling. Overnight fresh air to the north,
:18:53. > :18:56.still in my old, muggy night across England and Wales. Some downpours
:18:57. > :19:00.potentially tomorrow, a much more showery picture, and we are starting
:19:01. > :19:05.to cool down although we have the heat hanging on in the south-east so
:19:06. > :19:08.it looks a little more tricky for Wimbledon next week.
:19:09. > :19:09.Oh dear. Sir Vince Cable has a reputation
:19:10. > :19:12.as a somewhat pessimistic if often But now he's almost certain to be
:19:13. > :19:16.the new Lib Dem Leader. I don't want to be rude but,
:19:17. > :19:26.Sir Vince, it's almost There's no competition at the
:19:27. > :19:35.moment, but I'm happy to take the job if that's what comes along. So
:19:36. > :19:39.Gordon Brown Coronation, Theresa May Coronation, Sir Vince Cable... Is
:19:40. > :19:45.there a lesson of history here? I think the last the Dem who got in on
:19:46. > :19:51.a Coronation was Joe Grimond, a great role model, but I don't think
:19:52. > :19:55.that's is terribly relevant. I am optimistic about what I and a good
:19:56. > :20:01.team of colleagues can achieve. I think on the big issues of the day
:20:02. > :20:04.like Brexit we are in exactly the right position, a long-standing
:20:05. > :20:08.principle position that will be coming increasingly in line with the
:20:09. > :20:12.mood of the country as the economy deteriorates so I am optimistic
:20:13. > :20:15.about what we can do. With a leadership contest party has a
:20:16. > :20:20.chance to look itself in the mirror, take some hard decisions and a clear
:20:21. > :20:23.change of direction, for instance are you going to have your own
:20:24. > :20:29.leadership manifesto? Will we see that before you come leader? Yes you
:20:30. > :20:33.will, and I am working on it at the moment. We have a process in the
:20:34. > :20:37.part of it comes to a conclusion in about 12 days, and I will have a
:20:38. > :20:43.manifesto and it will set out what I and my colleagues will be able to
:20:44. > :20:48.achieve. Are you going to lead the Liberal Democrats in a different
:20:49. > :20:54.direction to Tim Farron? Tim did a good job, but the situation has
:20:55. > :20:58.moved on. I think in two fundamentally different ways from
:20:59. > :21:03.where we were two years ago. The first is the whole Brexit debate now
:21:04. > :21:07.dominate the national agenda. I will have to approach that consistently
:21:08. > :21:10.with where we were before but in a different parliament, and I think
:21:11. > :21:18.the other thing which is different from a couple of years ago is that
:21:19. > :21:23.the two major parties competing were in a fragile state. The division in
:21:24. > :21:29.the Tory party is palpable, the Labour Party is already talking
:21:30. > :21:33.about expelling 50 of its MPs for ideological deviation. This is a
:21:34. > :21:38.very different world from the one Tim inherited. That was just a
:21:39. > :21:43.Facebook page really, wasn't it. There's no real suggestion of that.
:21:44. > :21:46.We have a generous policy to refugees and if they come they will
:21:47. > :21:52.get food and accommodation. I don't know what will happen but it's a
:21:53. > :21:57.symptom of very deep division on a fundamental point because Jeremy
:21:58. > :22:01.Corbyn had a good election, but there is an element of a bubble
:22:02. > :22:06.about it. He attracted large numbers of people on the basis he was
:22:07. > :22:10.leading opposition to Brexit. Actually he is very pro-Brexit and
:22:11. > :22:13.hard Brexit and I think when that becomes apparent the divisions in
:22:14. > :22:18.the Labour Party will become more real and the opportunity for us to
:22:19. > :22:22.move into that space will become more substantial. One of the things
:22:23. > :22:27.Jeremy Corbyn did was he infused young voters partly by attacking the
:22:28. > :22:34.tuition fees policy. You were the man who raised tuition fees to
:22:35. > :22:38.?9,000, is your policy to keep it there, reduce or abolish them? It is
:22:39. > :22:43.not to abolish them because the system has kept universities
:22:44. > :22:47.properly funded, but there are clearly problems with the system.
:22:48. > :22:53.The universities operate as a form of cartel so I am certainly up for
:22:54. > :22:57.having a fresh look... Are you happy with a situation where people from
:22:58. > :23:04.quite humble backgrounds can leave university with a debt of ?57,000
:23:05. > :23:09.and high interest rates, is that fair? What is fair, and let's
:23:10. > :23:13.remember this is not a system might party created, it was created by a
:23:14. > :23:19.Labour government who promised not to introduce it and did, promised
:23:20. > :23:21.not to increase it and did, supported by the Conservatives. I
:23:22. > :23:30.substantially raised the threshold... You triple it to
:23:31. > :23:34.?9,000. Yes, so it effectively operate as a form of graduate tax,
:23:35. > :23:39.and increased the generosity of grants for maintenance. The
:23:40. > :23:41.Conservative government then abolished that so there are
:23:42. > :23:46.certainly things that need looking at. The one thing I would stress is
:23:47. > :23:50.there are 60% of young people who don't go to university, they don't
:23:51. > :23:56.get access to the student loans scheme. I have been working
:23:57. > :24:01.specifically at further education over the last year so if we review
:24:02. > :24:04.the system, and I am certainly up for being open-minded and pragmatic
:24:05. > :24:10.about it, we have got to look at young people as a whole and not just
:24:11. > :24:17.those who go to university. Should taxes overall grow up? Yes, I've
:24:18. > :24:24.think there should be a shift in the balance. Comfortable bed in the
:24:25. > :24:30.manifesto? Yes, some of the tax cuts in the capital side the Tories
:24:31. > :24:34.introduced in 2015 we would end them so I am all in favour of fiscal
:24:35. > :24:43.discipline, we have got to reduce the deficit on current spending so I
:24:44. > :24:48.am in favour of fiscal discipline but I want to shift the balance away
:24:49. > :24:53.from extreme cuts on public services which are particularly harsh on
:24:54. > :24:58.local government and bit more tax to balance it and more financing of
:24:59. > :25:04.capital investment for housing. On Brexit do you want Britain to fail
:25:05. > :25:10.economically? No, I don't think the public voted to have cuts in their
:25:11. > :25:16.standard of living and that's why... There are two objectives... The
:25:17. > :25:24.reason I ask is because you said we would have to hang on while the
:25:25. > :25:30.economy deteriorates and the mood changes, which makes it sound like
:25:31. > :25:37.waiting for a disaster to happen and your moment. We need to see whether
:25:38. > :25:43.the Government pursues the hard Brexit. We have got to work with
:25:44. > :25:48.other people, as we did last week to try to head off the disastrous
:25:49. > :25:53.outcome but it may well be that with the situation deteriorating in the
:25:54. > :25:57.economy, as I think it will, people will realise well we didn't vote to
:25:58. > :26:01.be poorer and I think the whole question of continued membership
:26:02. > :26:07.will once again arise. Let me ask about this parliament because in the
:26:08. > :26:10.end about 100 MPs voted for that motion, 16, which suggests the
:26:11. > :26:14.single market issue is now dead for this parliament but you talked about
:26:15. > :26:18.making alliances across parties. Do you begin to see an alliance
:26:19. > :26:25.sufficiently deep into the Labour and Tory family as well of pro-EU
:26:26. > :26:29.politicians which is big enough to frustrate Theresa May's ideas on
:26:30. > :26:34.Brexit? Yes, I think a lot of people are keeping their heads down. We
:26:35. > :26:38.will see what happens in the autumn when people come back. I'm beginning
:26:39. > :26:44.to think Brexit may never happen. I think the problems are so enormous,
:26:45. > :26:47.the divisions within the two major parties are so enormous, I can see a
:26:48. > :26:55.scenario in which this doesn't happen. And certainly a policy of
:26:56. > :26:59.having a second referendum, which didn't really cut threw in the
:27:00. > :27:04.general election, is designed to give away out when it becomes clear
:27:05. > :27:09.Brexit is potentially disastrous. One thing the party may be getting
:27:10. > :27:13.if they take you as their new leader is experience and wisdom, and yet
:27:14. > :27:20.the last week you compared Theresa May to Hitler. Now, I didn't at all.
:27:21. > :27:25.I got my literary reference wrong, I think it was Stalin who talked about
:27:26. > :27:33.rumours cosmopolitans. Citizens of nowhere phrase was quite evil, it
:27:34. > :27:43.could have been taken out of Mein Kampf. That was a silly thing to say
:27:44. > :27:45.come wasn't it? The next sentence said out of character. Thank you for
:27:46. > :27:46.talking to us. Now, coming up later this morning,
:27:47. > :27:49.Andrew Neil will be asking if Remainers are taking advantage
:27:50. > :27:51.of Theresa May's weakness to scupper Brexit, and has debate
:27:52. > :27:53.about the Grenfell Tower fire That's the Sunday Politics
:27:54. > :27:57.at 11am here on BBC One. The Angela Rayner story
:27:58. > :27:59.is a pretty remarkable one. She left school at 16 with few
:28:00. > :28:01.qualifications and little She only came into the House
:28:02. > :28:08.of Commons two years ago in 2015, but she's risen like a rocket
:28:09. > :28:12.and is now in charge of Labour's The Shadow Education
:28:13. > :28:20.Secretary joins me now. Thanks for coming in. Can I ask
:28:21. > :28:25.first of all about access to education, is it true that fewer
:28:26. > :28:29.working class kids are getting into university education as a result of
:28:30. > :28:35.tuition fees? I don't believe that the case but I do believe many
:28:36. > :28:39.working class and part-time and older mature students are leaving
:28:40. > :28:42.university, and there's three things the coalition government helped with
:28:43. > :28:46.the Conservatives that they have done that led to the disastrous
:28:47. > :28:50.situation we are in today. Of course you mentioned the hike in tuition
:28:51. > :28:54.fees but there was the removal of the maintenance grants, the
:28:55. > :28:57.increasing percentage of the loans so they couldn't use the base rate
:28:58. > :29:02.of the Bank of England, and they increased the percentage people paid
:29:03. > :29:06.which I believe directly impacted, and of course the threshold of
:29:07. > :29:10.income which meant more students would pay back more from the
:29:11. > :29:12.beginning as well. Nevertheless the Labour policy is predicated on
:29:13. > :29:21.something Jeremy Corbyn said, he said fewer working class people are
:29:22. > :29:26.applying to university, that's not true, is it? Actually more people
:29:27. > :29:29.are coming out of university, five times more are coming out of
:29:30. > :29:32.university and not able to finish their degrees and I think that's a
:29:33. > :29:38.direct impact of some of the Government changes. One mother, is
:29:39. > :29:45.it true that fewer working class young people are applying to
:29:46. > :29:49.university? The last Labour government had huge amount to
:29:50. > :29:53.encourage aspirations to get more working class people into university
:29:54. > :29:59.and we have record levels of people applying for university 's... I am
:30:00. > :30:03.reading out something Jeremy Corbyn said that isn't true, and I'm asking
:30:04. > :30:09.if it is true and you are giving answers to other things. I'm
:30:10. > :30:13.clarifying, it is true but there are record amounts leaving and I think
:30:14. > :30:18.that is because of the policies of the Government. They have done away
:30:19. > :30:21.with maintenance grants, increased percentages of loans and lowered the
:30:22. > :30:26.threshold for incomes that people are paying more early on. Because
:30:27. > :30:31.it's not a marginal point. 73% more people from working-class background
:30:32. > :30:32.have gone to university since the tuition fees were introduced, it has
:30:33. > :30:41.gone up enormously. And the amount of people leaving
:30:42. > :30:45.before they have their qualifications has gone up as well.
:30:46. > :30:48.50% leave their courses before they've completed them. That is
:30:49. > :30:53.directly as a result of the current policies of this Government. I'm not
:30:54. > :30:56.defendening the current policy, I'm suggesting, for instance, 22% of
:30:57. > :31:01.children who were eligible for free school meals now go to university.
:31:02. > :31:05.Before this policy, it was 3% or 4%, it's a huge increase. Yes, some
:31:06. > :31:09.people will fall out of the other end and get into financial trouble,
:31:10. > :31:12.but many more people are going in the first place. It's great that
:31:13. > :31:15.many are going. One of the things happening as well, many people are
:31:16. > :31:18.leaving university and unfortunately are having to go to jobs where
:31:19. > :31:23.they're not able to utilise their degrees as well. That's a real
:31:24. > :31:27.scandal. That's why we've had a policy of looking at the further
:31:28. > :31:32.education college and technical education. It's about lifelong
:31:33. > :31:37.learning for everybody. My point to you is your spending as a party
:31:38. > :31:42.about ?11 billion ending this tuition fee policy. Much of that
:31:43. > :31:45.money will go to relatively affluent, middle-class and upper
:31:46. > :31:49.middle class families and children. Would it not be better to spend that
:31:50. > :31:55.kind of money on replacing some of the tax breaks taken away by the
:31:56. > :32:00.Tories and spending it at the bottom end of society, because the Fabian
:32:01. > :32:04.Society say you'd make poorer families worse off compared to
:32:05. > :32:12.better off families. It's 9. 5 billion the amount we'll take for
:32:13. > :32:17.the Student Loans Company to reverse the tuition fees. I make no
:32:18. > :32:20.apologies for actually a huge amount of our manifesto was about national
:32:21. > :32:24.education. We talked about early years. We talked about Sure Start
:32:25. > :32:27.centres, which was the last Labour Government that introduced them.
:32:28. > :32:31.We've lost a tremendous amount of our early years centres under the
:32:32. > :32:34.coalition and the Conservatives. We talked about a package arranged from
:32:35. > :32:38.the early years, cradle to grave, a national education service about
:32:39. > :32:41.making sure that everyone has access to education. We know that's how you
:32:42. > :32:46.make social progress. Absolutely right. That's how people can get on
:32:47. > :32:49.in life. Right at the end of the campaign, seven days before polling,
:32:50. > :32:53.Jeremy Corbyn said that he wanted to think about wiping out the current
:32:54. > :32:56.student debt, which is a vast amount of money. He says you would be
:32:57. > :32:59.working on that policy. That's not funded at the moment. Have you been
:33:00. > :33:04.working on that policy? Do you have numbers about how much that will
:33:05. > :33:07.cost? It's a big abacus I'm working on with that. It's a huge amount,
:33:08. > :33:11.100 billion, which they estimate currently. 100 billion! It's a huge
:33:12. > :33:15.amount of money. We also know that a third of that is never repaid. It's
:33:16. > :33:20.a treasure trick. Were you surprised to be handed the abacus at the last
:33:21. > :33:24.minute. I like a challenge. We have to deal with the debt crisis that
:33:25. > :33:28.we're foisting on our young people. It's not acceptable. They're leaving
:33:29. > :33:32.university with ?57,000 worth of debt. It's completely unsustainable.
:33:33. > :33:35.We've got to start tackling that. Three things I call on the good of
:33:36. > :33:39.the to do, that they can do immediately - reverse the
:33:40. > :33:42.maintenance grants abolishing that. That will help the most
:33:43. > :33:45.disadvantaged students. They can reduce the percentage rate that
:33:46. > :33:49.students have to pay on their loans and they can ensure that the amount
:33:50. > :33:54.that they repay, the income threshold goes up in line with
:33:55. > :33:57.average earnings. They are things they can do before September to help
:33:58. > :34:03.students out. Aren't you simply spraying around huge spending
:34:04. > :34:07.promises too recklessly? Another ?100 billion on tuition fees is some
:34:08. > :34:12.sofa you have to find. Jeremy said it's an ambition. It's something
:34:13. > :34:17.he'd like to do. It's something we will not announce we're doing unless
:34:18. > :34:20.we can afford it. You were at the Durham miners' gallament a picture
:34:21. > :34:24.with Jeremy Corbyn, doing a selfie. They were chanting your name. A big
:34:25. > :34:28.part of the current Labour leadership group. Can I ask you what
:34:29. > :34:32.you feel about the fact that so many of your colleagues were disinvited
:34:33. > :34:35.to that event. They were told they weren't supportive enough of Jeremy
:34:36. > :34:41.Corbyn and they weren't going to be given hospitality by the Durham
:34:42. > :34:44.miners? I don't like anything in the Labour family that disenfranchises
:34:45. > :34:48.our movement. We are a big movement. We're all the better for it. At the
:34:49. > :34:51.moment we should concentrate on making sure we're next for the next
:34:52. > :34:55.general election. That manifesto, I believe, was the best manifesto
:34:56. > :34:59.Labour had done since the 1945 Labour manifesto. I think it offers
:35:00. > :35:06.hope. If we're divided and we're fighting each other, we're not going
:35:07. > :35:11.to be able to implement that. After the Luciana Berger row, one thing
:35:12. > :35:13.was obvious, almost the complete silence from colleagues speaking in
:35:14. > :35:22.her support. Can you say something in her support? I work with her on
:35:23. > :35:25.campaign for mental health. I personally have been affected by
:35:26. > :35:30.that with my mum, since I was about the age of ten. I know how it
:35:31. > :35:34.affects families. She's done a tremendous amount of work. She's a
:35:35. > :35:38.valued member of the team. Anyone that talks of deselecting any of my
:35:39. > :35:42.colleagues, quite frankly, they need to think about actually who are the
:35:43. > :35:45.real enemy here? Who are making the problems for our communities? Who
:35:46. > :35:49.have made those disastrous policies that are hurting the people that
:35:50. > :35:53.need us the most? It doesn't help them if we're fighting each other.
:35:54. > :35:55.What about the those people who say we're too broad a church in the
:35:56. > :36:00.Labour Party, we ought to be narrower? I love the church that I'm
:36:01. > :36:04.in in the Labour Party. It's my religion. I've been born and raised
:36:05. > :36:07.in the Labour movement. I will be happy that it's as vibrant and
:36:08. > :36:11.democratic as it is. Great talking to you. Thank you very much indeed.
:36:12. > :36:13.Ever since she stole the show as Rizzo in Grease,
:36:14. > :36:16.Stockard Channing has been a constant star of stage and screen
:36:17. > :36:19.Her new London stage role in the play, Apologia,
:36:20. > :36:22.sees her playing a radical left feminist with major family issues -
:36:23. > :36:24.a flinty, abrasive woman as evidenced by this
:36:25. > :36:36.He was dashing and angry and had the biggest hands you've ever seen.
:36:37. > :36:39.He built furniture and wrote dark poems, and I fell in love with him.
:36:40. > :36:49.He was also eracible, moody, manipulative -
:36:50. > :36:56.mentally cruel, emotionally stunted and chauvinistic
:36:57. > :37:05.He suffered a massive stroke and died in exactly 36 seconds.
:37:06. > :37:07.Much to my disappointment, he was denied the joys
:37:08. > :37:10.of self-reflection on the death bed and if that isn't lucky,
:37:11. > :37:17.It portrays her nearly as a kind of monster
:37:18. > :37:22.and an emblem of that old cliche, the left love humanity,
:37:23. > :37:26.they don't really like individual human beings or the people
:37:27. > :37:30.Well, I don't know if that's quite true.
:37:31. > :37:32.She has two sons, one in early 40s, the other late 30s.
:37:33. > :37:35.The elder of whom is a captain of industry, if you will,
:37:36. > :37:42.They were taken away from her when they were about,
:37:43. > :37:47.So their feelings about that separation and life
:37:48. > :37:51.And the terrible thing from their point of view
:37:52. > :37:54.that she has done recently, she's written a memoir in
:37:55. > :37:58.No, because she's a pretty intelligent woman.
:37:59. > :38:02.I think in ways, she was pretty much aware if she did mention them it
:38:03. > :38:07.As she puts it, she didn't want to air her dirty laundry,
:38:08. > :38:13.which in her mind is her own emotional response to certain events
:38:14. > :38:16.happening in her life - especially her children being taken
:38:17. > :38:21.She is an extremely private person, which also makes her a bit at odds
:38:22. > :38:24.in the world we live in when people are writing these memoirs
:38:25. > :38:30.She's a completely private human being.
:38:31. > :38:33.But there is a good example, one thing has really changed
:38:34. > :38:35.from your character's point of view absolutely for the better,
:38:36. > :38:39.Yes, I think now we're giving feminism a bad name.
:38:40. > :38:49.Obviously we still haven't got the equal pay thing.
:38:50. > :38:55.It's cliche, but it's true, a lot of young women take for granted.
:38:56. > :38:57.There's certain ways of living one's life,
:38:58. > :39:02.When I was in college, I remember that kitchen table stuff.
:39:03. > :39:05.It was really very scary, life threatening.
:39:06. > :39:09.That's something that a lot of people seem to take for granted,
:39:10. > :39:15.Having said that, I do think that the sort of militant feminism
:39:16. > :39:18.stuff has left its mark in a cliched way, whereas the real thrust of it,
:39:19. > :39:27.Your character in this reminds very slightly of the president's
:39:28. > :39:32.In a sense the same generation and the First Lady there is herself
:39:33. > :39:35.a bit of a feminist, she's a strong woman and so forth.
:39:36. > :39:40.She has a private life which she likes to keep
:39:41. > :39:44.That was an enormously popular series, here as well as in America.
:39:45. > :39:48.I wonder if it's because of the essential optimism of The West Wing.
:39:49. > :39:51.The underlying theme was that people go into politics
:39:52. > :39:54.for the right reasons, they're basically good people.
:39:55. > :39:57.Do you think it's a little bit too sugary?
:39:58. > :40:02.I think it's something to bear in mind in the world we're living
:40:03. > :40:05.in, that as we go through these swirling waters that we're
:40:06. > :40:08.in right now and the rapids, I think it's kind of good to keep
:40:09. > :40:16.That thing of people standing around the water cooler,
:40:17. > :40:21.The West Wing was that kind of TV show.
:40:22. > :40:25.Rizzo from Grease, that was your huge breakthrough role,
:40:26. > :40:33.That's the indication that the world has changed.
:40:34. > :40:36.The fact it was so popular, it was basically about a bunch
:40:37. > :40:39.of teenagers was sort of frowned upon in those days.
:40:40. > :40:43.Everybody thought they should be making wonderful,
:40:44. > :40:46.interesting movies as opposed to this gangbuster.
:40:47. > :40:55.# That's the worst thing I could do #.
:40:56. > :40:58.Who knows why it continued to be so popular over the years.
:40:59. > :41:00.But at the time, it was kind of dismissed.
:41:01. > :41:03.I was kind of dismissed along with it for a while.
:41:04. > :41:07.Then everything seemed to turn out OK.
:41:08. > :41:09.Stockard Channing, lovely to talk to you.
:41:10. > :41:12.Thank you very much, it's a pleasure.
:41:13. > :41:15.And Apologia, directed by Jamie Lloyd, opens
:41:16. > :41:19.at the Trafalgar Studios in London on July 29.
:41:20. > :41:22.During the Brexit referendum, my next guest was one of the most
:41:23. > :41:25.outspoken supporters of the European Union.
:41:26. > :41:28.Now the new Justice Secretary, David Lidington, has problems closer
:41:29. > :41:31.to home on his plate - the still-burning row over
:41:32. > :41:34.the Grenfell Tower inquiry and the state of Britain's prisons.
:41:35. > :41:43.Can I start with the Grenfell Tower inquiry, do you have absolute
:41:44. > :41:47.confidence in Sir David Morbeck as the chairman of the inquiry? Yes,
:41:48. > :41:51.the way it worked when the Prime Minister wanted a full scale public
:41:52. > :41:55.inquiry, I called the Lord Chief Justice and said please find us a
:41:56. > :42:00.judge with the right background, seniority to get to the truth. He
:42:01. > :42:04.came up with Sir Martin, somebody held in huge respect by other
:42:05. > :42:08.judges. He's somebody with no interest in this other to get to the
:42:09. > :42:11.truth and see justice done. What the residents and others living in the
:42:12. > :42:15.area seem to fear is that the remit will be too narrow, who actually
:42:16. > :42:21.sets the remit for the inquiry? Under the law, the 2005 act, the the
:42:22. > :42:27.terms of reference are ultimately set by the chair of the inquiry in
:42:28. > :42:32.conjunction with the department commissioning it. So you are
:42:33. > :42:34.involved? No, the department commissioning this will be the
:42:35. > :42:39.Cabinet Office and Number Ten. I play the role of asking the
:42:40. > :42:46.judiciary to find the judge to do the job there. What Sir Martin is
:42:47. > :42:49.doing as was promise issed to consult the residents, trying to
:42:50. > :42:53.make sure that their expectations are taken into account. So the
:42:54. > :42:57.Government could say to Sir Martin - can we have a broader remit than
:42:58. > :43:00.you've suggested? We've got to be careful about one thing, this has
:43:01. > :43:04.come up in the debate about the scope of the inquiry, the inquiry
:43:05. > :43:07.doesn't look into criminal guilt or innocence. There's a separate police
:43:08. > :43:10.inquiry going on into that matter already. What a lot of the residents
:43:11. > :43:13.seem to be worried about is that part of the story of the terrible
:43:14. > :43:21.thing that happened there was about years and years and years of
:43:22. > :43:24.underfunding in local government is essentially a political story.
:43:25. > :43:29.Therefore the inquiry is being narrowed to avoid that. When we look
:43:30. > :43:34.at what's come out in the last few weeks since the tragedy, with tower
:43:35. > :43:38.blocks in authorities of all political colours failing the
:43:39. > :43:42.combustibility test, fire regulations, if we want to start
:43:43. > :43:45.pointing fingers, you know brought in under the Blair Government - all
:43:46. > :43:49.political parties need to do soul searching about this. I'm confident
:43:50. > :43:53.we will get terms of reference that will get to the truth about what
:43:54. > :44:00.happened, not just in terms of, you know, what happened on that
:44:01. > :44:02.particular day. The bigger story. But the regulatory decisions and
:44:03. > :44:06.responsibilities that led up to that. If regulatory failures and
:44:07. > :44:10.frankly spending cuts were partly to blame for the story, that will come
:44:11. > :44:14.out from the inquiry? Well, it's up to Sir Martin to determine exactly
:44:15. > :44:19.how the inquiry goes. Of course, he can compel any witness to attend
:44:20. > :44:25.under pain of a criminal offence and he can compel witnesses to give
:44:26. > :44:31.evidence under oath as well and evidence in his inquiry can, if the
:44:32. > :44:35.police and Crown Prosecution Service think it justifies it, later be used
:44:36. > :44:38.for criminal prosecution as well. I think he is very, very determined to
:44:39. > :44:41.get to the full truth about this. Are you content with the state of
:44:42. > :44:45.Britain's prisons under your Government? No. I'm not content with
:44:46. > :44:52.the state of prisons, frankly, this is a state of affairs that has gone
:44:53. > :44:59.back under successive governments. What I'm determined to do is to try
:45:00. > :45:03.to bring about improvements, build on what my predecessor did in
:45:04. > :45:07.getting extra prison officers, in putting in place effective measures
:45:08. > :45:11.to detect more accurately the problem we have with drugs, the new
:45:12. > :45:15.challenge we have with drones and mobile phones in prison, so they're
:45:16. > :45:19.more secure places. Also want to see us get better as a country at using
:45:20. > :45:23.the time during which we have people in custody to get them better
:45:24. > :45:26.educated, get them better trained, more employable, so there's a
:45:27. > :45:30.stronger chance to lead a law abiding life when they get out.
:45:31. > :45:38.Since 2010 attacks on prison staff has gone up by 81%, sorry up by 140%
:45:39. > :45:42.and prison assaults up by 81% - why? I think it's a number of things. But
:45:43. > :45:47.I think one reason is that, certainly in recent years, that
:45:48. > :45:53.we've had this new problem of what used to be called legal highs,
:45:54. > :45:57.psychoactive substances coming into prisons in a big way. The prison
:45:58. > :46:00.population shifted in character over that period of time. We've got more
:46:01. > :46:05.gangsters. We've got a higher proportion of prison population that
:46:06. > :46:12.are sexual and violent offenders. It's not just a youngburgler. You
:46:13. > :46:15.need more people to look after them. You cut 7,000 frontline prison
:46:16. > :46:18.staff. I know you're hiring a few more thousand now, but you're still
:46:19. > :46:24.way down on 2010. That is also surely part of the story.
:46:25. > :46:30.What happened in 2010, as is the case with my ministry and every
:46:31. > :46:35.other ministry, in the face of the deficit tough decisions have to be
:46:36. > :46:39.taken. Since then, as we have managed to bring the deficit down,
:46:40. > :46:46.have restraint on public sector pay, it has bought us the breathing space
:46:47. > :46:54.to hire extra staff in prisons where we need to deploy them. We have 2500
:46:55. > :47:04.additional prison officers coming in, about 1000 of those have been
:47:05. > :47:08.deployed already. The chief inspector of prisons says prisons
:47:09. > :47:13.have become unacceptably violent and dangerous places and that is in part
:47:14. > :47:18.because of the cuts made to the present staff. I don't descend from
:47:19. > :47:22.the view that this is an unacceptable state of affairs.
:47:23. > :47:26.There's also too much self harm in prison which means we need to
:47:27. > :47:31.deliver better mental health assessments and mental healthcare
:47:32. > :47:35.than we are doing at the moment. Do you accept this is partly due to
:47:36. > :47:40.prison officer numbers? Let me read you what the just select committee
:47:41. > :47:43.said. It is not possible to avoid the conclusion that efficiency
:47:44. > :47:47.savings, staffing shortages and other factors have made a
:47:48. > :47:52.significant contribution to the deterioration in safety. Are they
:47:53. > :47:58.right? We need to get numbers up, but we need to do other things too -
:47:59. > :48:03.improving regimes, get better at detecting illegal drugs and mobile
:48:04. > :48:08.phones in prisons, and moving capital programme, about ?1.5
:48:09. > :48:16.million, to close some of these antiquated Victorian prisons and
:48:17. > :48:19.have new prisons that are easier for staff to manage effectively. I'm not
:48:20. > :48:25.quite going to let the stuffing thing go yet because the Chief
:48:26. > :48:28.inspector himself said you need another 8000 staff in prisons. I put
:48:29. > :48:33.it to you that every single red warning light around your desk from
:48:34. > :48:38.all of the committees, the reports and statistics is flashing red at
:48:39. > :48:42.the moment and so as the new Justice Secretary you need an urgent review
:48:43. > :48:49.of British prisons. I think we have a good strategy for the improvement
:48:50. > :48:52.of security regimes that was published earlier this year, a
:48:53. > :48:59.strategy I'm determined to follow through, but one thing... In the
:49:00. > :49:04.past year alone, assault on staff have risen by 38%. One of the key
:49:05. > :49:11.objectives is to bring down the level of violence and self harm in
:49:12. > :49:17.prisons, and a number of policies have been set out to secure that.
:49:18. > :49:23.Even in just four weeks of doing this job, what struck me is that I
:49:24. > :49:30.have looked at a lot of reports across my desk and it seems a lot of
:49:31. > :49:35.recommendations in the past have not been implemented. The actual
:49:36. > :49:39.situation in prisons is pretty horrific, there was a case in
:49:40. > :49:47.Norwich last week of a guard being stabbed in the neck and one of the
:49:48. > :49:51.prisoners said there are so few staff that the prisoners are
:49:52. > :49:59.safeguarding the staff and not the other way round. I put it to you
:50:00. > :50:10.that you should say we need to spend more money and fast. I agree the
:50:11. > :50:13.levels of violence in prisons are unacceptable, around the Cabinet
:50:14. > :50:17.table we will be discussing these issues about different priorities,
:50:18. > :50:22.in the context also in the need to be aware we have to find the funding
:50:23. > :50:26.of any public spending we agree. Let me turn to Brexit. As I said at the
:50:27. > :50:29.beginning you were a very fierce supporter of the European Union
:50:30. > :50:33.during the referendum campaign and we are not told we can have all of
:50:34. > :50:39.the benefits of single market access without being inside the EU. Can I
:50:40. > :50:41.tell you what Michel Barnier said about this this week.
:50:42. > :50:45.I have heard some people in the UK argue that one can leave the single
:50:46. > :50:53.I have heard some people in the UK argue that one
:50:54. > :50:56.can leave the single market and build a custom union to achieve
:50:57. > :51:13.And that is the truth, is it not, but we face a really tough choice
:51:14. > :51:18.between having the free access to the single market, all of those
:51:19. > :51:23.advantages, and effectively staying inside the EU despite the referendum
:51:24. > :51:27.or getting out completely and not having those advantages. I don't
:51:28. > :51:30.think that what Michel Barnier said in that clip was terribly different
:51:31. > :51:38.from what the Prime Minister acknowledged the day Article 50 was
:51:39. > :51:43.triggered in her letter to Donald Tusk, she said we accept we cannot
:51:44. > :51:48.have some but not accept all of them. David Davis talked about it
:51:49. > :51:52.being the exact same benefits after leaving and Michel Barnier is making
:51:53. > :51:57.it clear that can not be the case. We need to try to get the best
:51:58. > :52:01.possible access for our businesses to Europe and freedom to operate
:52:02. > :52:05.within the European market and for businesses to do so here, but what
:52:06. > :52:10.the Government faced was basically a choice. There were two models once
:52:11. > :52:15.people have taken the decision to leave the EU. One is being in the
:52:16. > :52:23.economic area like Norway, which means you have to accept freedom of
:52:24. > :52:30.movement and you must also accept... You pay in. You pay in and all of
:52:31. > :52:36.the rules you have to implement although you have no seat at the
:52:37. > :52:40.table when the decisions are taken. It has been called government by
:52:41. > :52:44.fax. The other model which the Government has decided to go for is
:52:45. > :52:51.a very ambitious trade and cooperation agreement, along the
:52:52. > :52:58.lines of a country like Canada has got, because we are already bringing
:52:59. > :53:01.in things like security and judicial police counterterrorism operation
:53:02. > :53:06.too that enables us to be outside the jurisdiction of the European
:53:07. > :53:10.Union. We will have left but we will continue to build this new deep and
:53:11. > :53:14.special partnership with our EU colleagues. Is it possible for
:53:15. > :53:20.British business to have as good access to the single market as it
:53:21. > :53:27.does now once we have left the EU? That will depend not just on us but
:53:28. > :53:31.the European 27. The repeal Bill will repeal the European Communities
:53:32. > :53:35.Act in the jurisdiction of the EU in this country but at the same time
:53:36. > :53:41.put all current EU legal obligations and regulatory obligations and
:53:42. > :53:46.standards onto a British legal basis. If the EU decides to
:53:47. > :53:51.introduce more restrictive and protectionist measures in the
:53:52. > :53:54.future, clearly we would not be in compliance with those but it seems
:53:55. > :54:01.to me it is in the mutual interests of everybody to try to make sure
:54:02. > :54:05.that our businesses all prosper from having access to each other's
:54:06. > :54:09.markets. You thought during the referendum campaign that leaving the
:54:10. > :54:13.EU would be a catastrophe for British business and prosperity.
:54:14. > :54:18.Looking now from where you are, and looking at what Donald Trump and
:54:19. > :54:24.others have said at the G20, do you regret what you said then? No, and I
:54:25. > :54:30.took a very firm view in that campaign and before that I thought
:54:31. > :54:34.British interests were best served by staying in the EU but the people
:54:35. > :54:39.took a different decision as they were democratically entitled to do.
:54:40. > :54:43.I don't think we should set that aside and ignore it, it would do
:54:44. > :54:46.immense harm to public confidence and democracy. Do you think of new
:54:47. > :54:53.trade deal with Trump's America could make up most of the damage
:54:54. > :55:00.done in the EU? Not entirely but it would be a good thing to have, as it
:55:01. > :55:05.would with Asia and Latin America. Some of the frustrations sometimes
:55:06. > :55:09.about being part of the EU is that while the mass of the EU gives it
:55:10. > :55:14.some leverage in international trade, it moves at a taught us like
:55:15. > :55:25.pace because all the member states have to agree, negotiating positions
:55:26. > :55:30.so it gives us opportunities. You have seen all of the papers, you
:55:31. > :55:33.have seen the extraordinary stories coming out from your colleagues
:55:34. > :55:37.saying the Prime Minister has lost so much authority she can no longer
:55:38. > :55:42.be in charge of this process and has to make way, possibly for David
:55:43. > :55:48.Davis or somebody else. What is your message for your colleagues? I have
:55:49. > :55:53.been in Parliament 25 years and almost every July a combination of
:55:54. > :55:58.too much sun and too much alcohol leads to gossip stories in the
:55:59. > :56:02.media. The key thing is the public has had an election, I think they
:56:03. > :56:06.want the politicians to go away and deal with the real problem is that
:56:07. > :56:13.people of this country are facing. Social care, digital technology. I
:56:14. > :56:17.will leave you to deal with those problems shortly but time is running
:56:18. > :56:23.out, and now look at what's coming off after this programme.
:56:24. > :56:27.Should the Church be more welcoming to transgender people? Lord Grade
:56:28. > :56:31.gets tough with pest calls from charities. And Jerry Springer
:56:32. > :56:33.reveals why you would be tempting to run against Donald Trump. Join us at
:56:34. > :56:35.ten o'clock. Join me again at the same
:56:36. > :56:39.time next Sunday. For now, we leave you
:56:40. > :56:41.with The Lumineers. They've topped the US and UK
:56:42. > :56:43.album charts recently. They've been supporting
:56:44. > :56:45.U2, no less, on tour. Great to have them here
:56:46. > :56:47.in the studio today # And you can't see
:56:48. > :57:49.past my blindness # You've been on my mind,
:57:50. > :57:54.girl, since the flood # Heaven help the fool
:57:55. > :58:08.who falls in love # You got big plans
:58:09. > :58:18.and you gotta move # You've been on my mind,
:58:19. > :58:44.girl, like a drug # Heaven help the fool
:58:45. > :58:50.who falls in love # You've been on my mind,
:58:51. > :58:56.girl, since the flood # Heaven help the fool
:58:57. > :59:02.who falls in love # You've been on my mind,
:59:03. > :59:08.girl, like a drug # Heaven help the fool
:59:09. > :59:20.who falls in love For all the latest
:59:21. > :59:22.political news and debate, tune in
:59:23. > :59:25.to the Sunday Politics at 11, where we'll be analysing
:59:26. > :59:27.the week's big stories and talking to the politicians
:59:28. > :59:31.and commentators who count.