:00:00. > :00:00.It's nearly the end of July, Parliament is gone,
:00:07. > :00:09.another political season is now officially over.
:00:10. > :00:14.This time two years ago, David Cameron was triumphantly
:00:15. > :00:17.installed in Number Ten, Jeremy Corbyn was a 200-1 shot
:00:18. > :00:20.for the Labour leadership and we were apparently secure
:00:21. > :00:26.This time a year ago, Cameron was out, and the then hugely
:00:27. > :00:28.popular Theresa May was Prime Minister.
:00:29. > :00:32.She promised there'd be no early election.
:00:33. > :00:36.What will the world be looking like by July 2018?
:00:37. > :00:57.Answers on a holiday postcard, please.
:00:58. > :00:59.Well, I'm joined this morning by the man who's smashed
:01:00. > :01:02.all the predictions and torn up the political rule book, but do
:01:03. > :01:08.we know what Jeremy Corbyn really thinks on Europe and capitalism?
:01:09. > :01:11.And as the Brexit talks hot up, Liam Fox, the International Trade
:01:12. > :01:16.Secretary, is in the US, talking about free trade.
:01:17. > :01:18.Looking ahead, we're just days away from the World Athletics
:01:19. > :01:24.I'm joined by one of the most powerful men in world sport to talk
:01:25. > :01:34.about that and the fight against doping in athletics.
:01:35. > :01:37.And the Hollywood star Ethan Hawke on why his often-downbeat new movie
:01:38. > :01:42.is really all about happiness and the joy of art.
:01:43. > :01:45.Plus, music from Broadway's finest, Audra McDonald, channelling
:01:46. > :01:49.the spirit of the late, great Billie Holliday.
:01:50. > :01:55.# All you'll say when you have kissed him is "ooh, ooh"
:01:56. > :02:02.And reviewing the newspapers and more, I'm joined
:02:03. > :02:06.by the former Labour MP and chair of Vote Leave Gisela Stuart,
:02:07. > :02:08.the Spectator's Toby Young and Nigel Farage's favourite
:02:09. > :02:21.Princes William and Harry have given a candid insight
:02:22. > :02:22.into their relationship with their mother, Princess Diana,
:02:23. > :02:26.and have revealed that they last spoke to her in a brief phone call
:02:27. > :02:30.Speaking in a documentary to mark the 20th anniversary of her death,
:02:31. > :02:34.the princes said they regret the rushed nature of that
:02:35. > :02:36.conversation, but fondly recall their mother's loving nature
:02:37. > :02:44.One of her mottos to me was, "You can be as naughty as you want,
:02:45. > :02:48.She was one of the naughtiest parents.
:02:49. > :02:50.She would come and watch us play football and smuggle
:02:51. > :02:55.Literally, walking back from a football match and having
:02:56. > :03:02.Some of the BBC's most high-profile female presenters have written
:03:03. > :03:05.to the corporation's Director General, Tony Hall, calling
:03:06. > :03:11.BBC Sport's Claire Balding, the Today programme's Mishal Hussain
:03:12. > :03:16.and Jane Garvey from Woman's Hour are among the 42 signatories.
:03:17. > :03:19.The letter in the Sunday Times urges Lord Hall to "act now" to close
:03:20. > :03:25.the gender pay gap in all areas of the BBC.
:03:26. > :03:27.The Health Secretary, Jeremy Hunt, has described the abuse
:03:28. > :03:29.towards staff at Great Ormond Street Hospital,
:03:30. > :03:32.where the terminally ill baby Charlie Gard is being treated,
:03:33. > :03:38.The hospital says its doctors and nurses have faced a "tide
:03:39. > :03:43.Charlie's family is fighting a legal battle for the right
:03:44. > :03:46.to take him to America for experimental treatment.
:03:47. > :03:49.His parents say they don't condone the threats on hospital staff,
:03:50. > :03:57.Democrats have criticised President Trump for saying he has
:03:58. > :04:00.the complete power to issue pardons, as an investigation continues
:04:01. > :04:05.into alleged Russian meddling in last year's US elections.
:04:06. > :04:07.It's thought he could use the presidential pardon for family
:04:08. > :04:13.Presidents can pardon people before they're found guilty
:04:14. > :04:20.The next news on BBC One is at one o'clock.
:04:21. > :04:32.A busy morning and the papers are absolutely full of that William and
:04:33. > :04:36.Harry interview that we heard about on the news, the red tops in
:04:37. > :04:44.particular. There is the Mail on Sunday... The Sunday Mirror... The
:04:45. > :04:51.same photograph in the Sunday Express. The Sunday Times has the
:04:52. > :04:55.same story. They have their own story, Tories broke the right to
:04:56. > :05:00.choose your own sex. But also the other really big story of the day,
:05:01. > :05:04.there is the Sunday Telegraph splash, revolt of the BBC women,
:05:05. > :05:09.that is the BBC and pay and you bet we will be talking about that. And
:05:10. > :05:13.an the Observer... They are talking about David Davis being the
:05:14. > :05:17.favourite to succeed Theresa May, perhaps in the autumn. And they have
:05:18. > :05:22.a story about Jeremy Corbyn's secret backer, when he was allegedly going
:05:23. > :05:26.to be deselected by his constituency party, one Tony Blair stepped in to
:05:27. > :05:31.save him so we will discuss that. Let's start with the BBC pay story.
:05:32. > :05:35.When I see all the photographs and read the list of names on this open
:05:36. > :05:39.letter, I think virtually every important female TV star in the BBC
:05:40. > :05:44.is in that. It is an absolute complete list it up yes, and they
:05:45. > :05:49.have all the photographs on page two of the Sunday Telegraph and we also
:05:50. > :05:53.see evidence that the story is beginning to metastasise so there is
:05:54. > :05:58.a story about the NHS coming under pressure to reduce the gender pay
:05:59. > :06:01.gap. And we will soon see it in other publicly funded institution
:06:02. > :06:04.that they won't just be the gender pay gap but the pay gap between
:06:05. > :06:09.white men and black, Asian and minority ethnic men and then class
:06:10. > :06:14.and so forth. I'm slightly concerned that this is going to result in a
:06:15. > :06:17.clamour for more pay from all kinds of other groups. The solution to
:06:18. > :06:21.this probably isn't to pay anyone who isn't a white, heterosexual,
:06:22. > :06:26.middle-class male more. The solution, I'm afraid, is to pay
:06:27. > :06:32.white, heterosexual, middle-class males less. And you say that as one
:06:33. > :06:36.of us. Treachery! Diesel, isn't the real issue, I'm thinking of TV, that
:06:37. > :06:42.people like me, we get paid more because we have experience, red bit
:06:43. > :06:46.grilled around the edges, but if I had been born Audrey Maher, rather
:06:47. > :06:49.than Andrew Marr, I would have been out ten years ago. There was a real
:06:50. > :06:55.lack of older women on the screen anyway. But that we can start to
:06:56. > :07:00.address. It is not just the top pay, it is the further down you go. You
:07:01. > :07:06.always will find that women are paid just a little bit less and we've got
:07:07. > :07:09.to start addressing this and as Toby says, there are these extraordinary
:07:10. > :07:12.differentials and the fact that this is now coming will enable the next
:07:13. > :07:17.generation to say, we are no longer putting with this. Anna, I imagine
:07:18. > :07:19.there will not be a newsroom or an office in the country tomorrow
:07:20. > :07:24.morning where this is not being talked about and people are saying,
:07:25. > :07:29.what about here? How much I pick compared to that guy? I used to work
:07:30. > :07:33.in TV as a female presenter and reporter so I'll absolutely aware of
:07:34. > :07:36.this. I think things have got worse and I just wonder whether one of the
:07:37. > :07:45.reasons... I used to be the mother of the chapel, NUJ... FOC? Father of
:07:46. > :07:52.the Chapel but I was a woman. I kept a very BDI on all the pay levels and
:07:53. > :07:58.how people were often being mistreated and I just wonder whether
:07:59. > :08:02.or not, dare I say it, the de-unionisation of many places of
:08:03. > :08:05.work... I don't have a problem with trade unions as long as they are
:08:06. > :08:10.democratic and responsible and they played an important point in making
:08:11. > :08:13.sure there was fairness, whatever your sex, colour, sexual
:08:14. > :08:17.orientation, whatever. Into that gap which is to be the unions
:08:18. > :08:22.negotiating you got agents and you've got secrecy and that's where
:08:23. > :08:26.the problem starts. That's why I think this is so important a is now
:08:27. > :08:30.come about that is much more open and you have an awareness of what is
:08:31. > :08:37.going on. The other thing is that to be fair, the women also they know
:08:38. > :08:41.they are well-paid. They talk about the unfairness in the rest of the
:08:42. > :08:44.BBC with people not so well-paid. We've got to keep an eye on the
:08:45. > :08:47.regions as well because there will be regional presenters who will not
:08:48. > :08:53.be paid the same as the man sitting next order them. I just the gas of
:08:54. > :08:56.this kind of thing happens and everyone's pay is out there, what
:08:57. > :09:00.you normally expect is that everyone turns on everybody else and mass of
:09:01. > :09:03.bickering starts. These women have stuck together and that is very
:09:04. > :09:07.impressive and that is why they are holding such a blunder the head of
:09:08. > :09:11.the BBC this morning. One argument to justify the discrepancy is that
:09:12. > :09:16.the men are more likely to be poached by ITV than the woman. Is
:09:17. > :09:21.that true in your experience? Yes. I can think of one example of a very
:09:22. > :09:25.well-regarded female presenter in the BBC, who went to ITV and is now
:09:26. > :09:30.paid much more there so it goes both ways. Let me turn to the other big
:09:31. > :09:33.story of the day, which is this William and Harry interview. I don't
:09:34. > :09:38.really go for these things but it is very moving. It is and if you think
:09:39. > :09:42.about it, these were two teenagers or all most teenagers in the case of
:09:43. > :09:46.Harry, when they lost their mother, which for any child is hugely
:09:47. > :09:49.traumatic, obviously, but things were made even worse for them. Their
:09:50. > :09:54.parents were separated, which adds to it all, and the fact that whilst
:09:55. > :10:00.they were trying to grieve, in many ways it was under a public spotlight
:10:01. > :10:02.and, of course, with papers constantly speculating, showing
:10:03. > :10:06.scenes of where their mother had died and I think what's refreshing,
:10:07. > :10:10.if that is the right word to use, but I think it is, is to find two
:10:11. > :10:15.people who are actually talking about the issue of grief in a very
:10:16. > :10:20.human way, which says a lot about the modern Royal family, for which
:10:21. > :10:25.we are very grateful, compared to, frankly, when Diana went into it at
:10:26. > :10:29.the age of 19, far too young, and a very frail and fragile character in
:10:30. > :10:33.her own right to talk Maintaining our themes of BBC programmes and
:10:34. > :10:38.powerful women, Gisela Stuart, I want to go to the front page of the
:10:39. > :10:41.Observer. Hilary Armstrong, former Chief Whip, has given an interesting
:10:42. > :10:52.interview to the BBC's Westminster hour. Yes, it reveals that Jeremy
:10:53. > :10:54.Corbyn's back when the chips were down was Tony Blair. Jeremy Corbyn
:10:55. > :10:59.was under threat of being deselected by his own constituency and it was
:11:00. > :11:05.Tony Blair who said, we are not doing this. Tony Blair stepped in to
:11:06. > :11:08.rescue Corbyn from being removed as an MP when some of his Islington
:11:09. > :11:13.North constituents wanted to deselect him. The success of New
:11:14. > :11:19.Labour was that it realised in order to form a government, you need to be
:11:20. > :11:23.bringing people in and if there was one thing which you could accuse
:11:24. > :11:27.Tony Blair, he always spent more time on the people who disagreed
:11:28. > :11:30.with him than people who supported him and I think that is the way
:11:31. > :11:38.forward. The Whips' office needs to be all embracing, and... Unlike the
:11:39. > :11:41.hard left of the Labour Party. I think there is a lesson here for the
:11:42. > :11:47.Conservative party and particularly the Conservative covenant. The
:11:48. > :11:50.reason Armstrong has revealed this is because she is worried about
:11:51. > :11:53.deselection and she wants to discourage Jeremy Corbyn from
:11:54. > :11:57.allowing it to happen. The argument is, hang on if you possibly can
:11:58. > :12:08.because in due course a civil War will erupt. Gender reassignment. He
:12:09. > :12:13.said firmly. Was that an order? The answer is no. Tories promote right
:12:14. > :12:16.to choose your own sex. A very important story. Adults will be able
:12:17. > :12:21.to change their gender legally without a doctor's diagnosis and
:12:22. > :12:25.government plans will transform British society. Sunday Times story.
:12:26. > :12:28.The important thing of the consultation process which they have
:12:29. > :12:32.announced in the autumn is, I think they have to think through the
:12:33. > :12:36.consequences of this, whether it is a different retirement age, because
:12:37. > :12:40.at the moment, whilst we have the possibility of gender reassignment,
:12:41. > :12:45.if you were born a man and... That is interesting. Of I decided I was
:12:46. > :12:50.going to declare as other woman I could retire earlier. I would make
:12:51. > :12:57.you the highest-paid female BBC employee! Nobody is going to do that
:12:58. > :12:59.to get a better pension. At the moment it is about how men might be
:13:00. > :13:02.doing things which currently only women can do. Are they going to
:13:03. > :13:06.gender reassigned in order to go into changing rooms, which is
:13:07. > :13:09.nonsense because the key thing is, this is an issue which I think is an
:13:10. > :13:15.important human rights issue. We need to get it out of
:13:16. > :13:18.medicalisation, where it is seen as, there is a problem with you. If
:13:19. > :13:24.Justine Greening can continue what the Labour government started... It
:13:25. > :13:30.was Labour who really were the trailblazers. The Education
:13:31. > :13:32.Secretary happens to be gay, the schools minister happens to be gay
:13:33. > :13:39.and that is the right attitude. Nobody... What a remarkable change
:13:40. > :13:42.in such a short time. When I came into Parliament 20 years ago, there
:13:43. > :13:49.was this assumption that nobody on the Tory benches... Let's go to
:13:50. > :13:53.another very powerful woman, extraordinarily vivid piece by Ruth
:13:54. > :13:58.Davidson, the Scottish Tory leader, in this new website, Tim
:13:59. > :14:01.Montgomery's Unheard. A great piece by Ruth Davidson, who was a
:14:02. > :14:05.remarkable woman and I hope very much want date will be a remarkable
:14:06. > :14:09.Tory leader, but she talks about capitalism, about why as a system
:14:10. > :14:15.that is the right thing to do, how it enriches everybody and delivers
:14:16. > :14:18.on social justice, as well as Conservatives. She's talking about
:14:19. > :14:22.taking the fight to the Labour Party. She says, how can you sell
:14:23. > :14:25.capitalism to somebody in a pit village with no pit or a steel town
:14:26. > :14:29.with no steel mill or a factory town with their factories? We have
:14:30. > :14:33.stopped making the argument and stopped telling people what
:14:34. > :14:36.conservatism is all about and we've allowed the Labour Party, the hard
:14:37. > :14:40.left in particular, to take the agenda that they have a monopoly on
:14:41. > :14:44.caring about people. I don't want poverty. That's one of the reasons I
:14:45. > :14:47.came into politics, for the abolition of poverty. What
:14:48. > :14:53.distinguishes us, largely, is how we achieve it. She makes the case for
:14:54. > :14:57.capitalism as being the deliverer of social justice. This is being ramped
:14:58. > :15:00.up by some people as Ruth Davidson's leadership bid but this seems to me
:15:01. > :15:05.to be total before because she is inside the Scottish party, not the
:15:06. > :15:07.Westminster Parliament, and has no intention of moving. She says, I
:15:08. > :15:12.want to be Scotland's first Minister. She is the kind of person
:15:13. > :15:15.you would like to be standing behind us leader one-day? One day,
:15:16. > :15:20.undoubtedly. She is an outstanding woman.
:15:21. > :15:25.It's exactly the kind of conversation that needs to be taking
:15:26. > :15:29.place in the Conservative Party, they need to defend capitalism and
:15:30. > :15:35.socialism but also acknowledge there are some problems of capitalism that
:15:36. > :15:40.need addressing. You have another Labour story, to be? Yes, in the
:15:41. > :15:46.mail on Sunday there is a story about how Justine Greening has
:15:47. > :15:54.written a letter to Angela Rayner demanding an apology for Labour's
:15:55. > :15:57.misleading of students during the election campaign by strongly
:15:58. > :16:02.implying they would do something to deal with student debt. Not just
:16:03. > :16:14.stop people from having to pay but also deal with the debt run up, over
:16:15. > :16:19.?100 billion we are talking about. Justine Greening is rightly asking
:16:20. > :16:24.Labour to apologise for misleading people on this issue. I have to make
:16:25. > :16:31.promises on this show who can talk about what, and I have promised
:16:32. > :16:42.geese she can talk about pop-up parliaments! -- Gisela. The easiest
:16:43. > :16:50.thing is for Parliament to refurbish as quickly as possible, and here is,
:16:51. > :16:55.I think, this amazing suggestion. Could this be the temporary home for
:16:56. > :16:59.the Commons, Horse Guards Parade... It's an idea, Norman Foster behind
:17:00. > :17:05.it and I think we should cherish modern architecture and give it a
:17:06. > :17:12.chance. We are almost running out of time, I also want to talk about
:17:13. > :17:16.Brexit. I had assumed, Anna, that people like you were pretty much
:17:17. > :17:19.stuff in this Parliament, there weren't enough of you to make a
:17:20. > :17:23.difference, but because of the five-year Parliament act you can
:17:24. > :17:29.carry on voting as you wish without too much fear of a sudden general
:17:30. > :17:33.election, is that right? I think it is. Everything has changed after the
:17:34. > :17:37.general election. Theresa May went to the country to increase her
:17:38. > :17:44.majority and I think it was so that she could put into place a form of
:17:45. > :17:48.Brexit which the British people have actually rejected. Now we are
:17:49. > :17:52.leaving the European Union, nothing has changed on that, but the terms
:17:53. > :17:58.and the deal we get, the rhetorical use and that end deal has completely
:17:59. > :18:04.changed and she has to build a consensus. What happened is that the
:18:05. > :18:08.hardline Brexiteers I think have realised their game is up, thank
:18:09. > :18:15.goodness for that. But now we understand that all members of the
:18:16. > :18:21.Cabinet and accept there will be a transitional period. We will then
:18:22. > :18:27.get a proper deal with the EU and then we go into that. Liam Fox says
:18:28. > :18:34.he thinks it shouldn't last, that transition period, longer than now
:18:35. > :18:41.and the next general election. What do you think about that? Should take
:18:42. > :18:45.as long as it takes for British business to get what they want. It
:18:46. > :18:51.is an interesting argument but we are about out of time I'm afraid. We
:18:52. > :18:52.will be talking about this for months and months ahead but thank
:18:53. > :18:54.you very much indeed. To widespread national relief,
:18:55. > :18:57.the Prime Minister isn't going walking in Wales
:18:58. > :18:59.to take more decisions. She's off to the Alps instead,
:19:00. > :19:02.perhaps missing this delightful, delicious and reviving rain we've
:19:03. > :19:17.been enjoying this week. Yes it will continue, in fact today
:19:18. > :19:21.is looking similar to yesterday, disappointing in places with
:19:22. > :19:25.prolonged rain, but there was some sunshine. Today there will be more
:19:26. > :19:30.sunshine but also showers and longer spells of rain that may turn out to
:19:31. > :19:34.be heavy too. The low pressure will slowly move eastwards into the near
:19:35. > :19:37.continent but it brings another showery day, rain to eastern
:19:38. > :19:41.Scotland and central southern parts of Scotland into northern England as
:19:42. > :19:53.we head into the afternoon. Further south a rash of showers which could
:19:54. > :19:55.merge together, some could be heavy with Thunder mixed in too. But there
:19:56. > :19:58.will be brightness in between and in Northern Ireland it will be quite
:19:59. > :20:02.warm, but cool way of the showers. As we had through the course of
:20:03. > :20:05.Monday, it looks like it will continue to be cloudy across
:20:06. > :20:09.central, southern and eastern parts, the chilly northern wind down the
:20:10. > :20:15.eastern coast, but further north and west high pressure building in here,
:20:16. > :20:20.so quite warm. Giusto looks prior and dry to pretty much across the
:20:21. > :20:23.board apart from the odd shower, and then into Wednesday the next weather
:20:24. > :20:28.system moves in to bring the spell of what weather to the UK. -- wet
:20:29. > :20:32.weather. My next guest was a
:20:33. > :20:34.genuine sporting hero. of the most successful runners
:20:35. > :20:37.we've ever had. He then went into politics,
:20:38. > :20:39.and then brought the 2012 Olympics Now he's president of the
:20:40. > :20:42.International Athletics Federation, and is bringing another big
:20:43. > :20:44.international event, the World Championships,
:20:45. > :20:52.to the capital early next month. Welcome. These championships are
:20:53. > :20:57.going to have Usain Bolt and Mo Farah still in them, both are about
:20:58. > :21:02.to leave the track certainly in terms of big events, how serious is
:21:03. > :21:08.it in athletics to lose two huge stars? It is big, Usain Bolt is
:21:09. > :21:15.retiring and Mo Farah is going onto the roads. Our sport will always
:21:16. > :21:22.turn up outstanding geniuses and they both are. I think we have to
:21:23. > :21:29.accept that in Usain's case it's not that nobody will break records, that
:21:30. > :21:34.will happen but it is the personality. You need the charisma.
:21:35. > :21:40.Yes, he feels a room and our sport will have to work hard to make sure
:21:41. > :21:49.the world recognises that it is not just about Usain Bolt. It is a bit
:21:50. > :21:56.like Ali going you don't replace him. Can you explain, there's going
:21:57. > :22:00.to be an unusual ceremony for Jessica Ennis-Hill, why it is
:22:01. > :22:06.happening and what will happen. We now have the technology to be able
:22:07. > :22:10.to go back over previous World Championships and retest samples,
:22:11. > :22:17.particularly in cases where there is suspicion or the technology has
:22:18. > :22:21.frankly moved on to allow us to to detect things we couldn't detect at
:22:22. > :22:29.the time so Jess will be receiving the championship medal she should
:22:30. > :22:33.have won in 2009, 2011, I cannot remember which date it was. In the
:22:34. > :22:39.past these medals in a way have been handed out in the local pub or by
:22:40. > :22:44.DHL and we wanted an appropriate moment. Services dealing with
:22:45. > :22:50.historic unfurnished. Can you assure people that in these Games they will
:22:51. > :22:59.not be athletes cheating? No, I can't, and I think you would look at
:23:00. > :23:05.me slightly askance, people will always cheat. What I can tell you,
:23:06. > :23:08.and Brendan Foster made the remark in a national newspaper, that the
:23:09. > :23:11.system is safer and we have the technology that allows us to be more
:23:12. > :23:17.specific that what we are looking at. I would like to be able to tell
:23:18. > :23:21.you we will have drug-free sport in the future. Everything we are doing
:23:22. > :23:26.is engaged in trying to achieve that but we know that few people will
:23:27. > :23:32.cheat. What we do have in place now is an independent athlete integrity
:23:33. > :23:37.unit, we have independent sanctioning and discipline, and we
:23:38. > :23:41.will be able to be a lot tougher and speed up the process. We now doping
:23:42. > :23:46.has overshadowed your sport in particular. When did you know the
:23:47. > :23:52.Russians were involved in such widespread doping? There have been
:23:53. > :23:57.concerns for many years. I was competing for to years ago and from
:23:58. > :24:05.that point on... You told the select committee I think that you knew in
:24:06. > :24:10.December 2014 about this, actually you had received allegations four
:24:11. > :24:13.months before that. The specific allegations were, as we know,
:24:14. > :24:20.horrendous and we are now dealing with that. There is a difference
:24:21. > :24:25.here between was there a global problem and was there a Russian
:24:26. > :24:29.problem. People have known that for many years, the specific allegations
:24:30. > :24:33.came to light... Dave Bedford sent you an e-mail with an attachment in
:24:34. > :24:37.it which gave you all of the allegations, you were vice president
:24:38. > :24:46.at the time and you didn't even open it. No, I had it on to the ethics
:24:47. > :24:51.board... You didn't open it, did you? No, actually I was on holiday
:24:52. > :24:54.at the time. That went to the right, appropriate organisation to be
:24:55. > :24:58.dealing with that and I had done that in the past and will continue
:24:59. > :25:03.to do that. But you were ahead of this or nearly head of this big
:25:04. > :25:10.thing. Here are serious allegations absolutely on point and you didn't
:25:11. > :25:13.read them, do you regret that? No, the allegations themselves were
:25:14. > :25:18.handed on. I did not read them and that's clear but the issue was they
:25:19. > :25:21.went to absolutely the right organisation and subsequently that
:25:22. > :25:25.organisation actually have subsequently said they were looking
:25:26. > :25:28.at them anyway. The select committee you spoke to have accused you of
:25:29. > :25:35.deliberately misleading them on this subject. That isn't accurate and the
:25:36. > :25:41.select committee which I appeared in front off for nearly four hours a
:25:42. > :25:48.year or so ago... Damian Collins said I think Sebastian Coe does
:25:49. > :25:53.suggestion to the select committee was deliberately misleading. That's
:25:54. > :25:57.not my interpretation. A lot of these troubles happened under the
:25:58. > :26:04.regime of your predecessor, and you were quite close to him for a long
:26:05. > :26:13.time. I was a member of the council. He helped you in your rise to the
:26:14. > :26:18.top. His son said without his father's help family wouldn't have
:26:19. > :26:25.made it to top. I rather fancy he was helping a range of candidates.
:26:26. > :26:29.He is now under house arrest in France, his son is wanted by
:26:30. > :26:36.Interpol, do you think that on your way to the top you are a little too
:26:37. > :26:42.close to that family? The organisation has in French law are
:26:43. > :26:47.part of it allows us to work closely to bring this sorry episode as
:26:48. > :26:50.quickly as we come to fruition. You called him your spiritual present at
:26:51. > :26:55.one point, do you look at him and the regime now and think there was
:26:56. > :27:00.something fundamentally wrong with what was going on? Yes, the issue is
:27:01. > :27:03.very clear that the walls were too high. It isn't that we weren't
:27:04. > :27:07.asking questions, plenty of questions were being asked. We were
:27:08. > :27:19.not in a position to know whether the answers we were getting were
:27:20. > :27:22.valid. I have been putting reforms in place, some 200 changes to our
:27:23. > :27:24.sport, that will make sure that when answers are given like that, my
:27:25. > :27:28.counsel, Federation's sightlines are clear and we are able to know the
:27:29. > :27:35.answers being given are accurate. The problem in the old system was we
:27:36. > :27:40.didn't have that and those walls have been removed. One final area
:27:41. > :27:45.and question we can sort out is about the odd decision to give
:27:46. > :27:56.Eugene Oregon the 2021 athletics meet. Eugene Oregon is also the
:27:57. > :28:05.headquarters of the Nike corporation, which you were being
:28:06. > :28:10.paid by at the time. Can you understand... First of all 23 people
:28:11. > :28:17.voted for Eugene Oregon and the issue was a very clear one... It
:28:18. > :28:21.wasn't an open bidding process. It wasn't an open bidding process at
:28:22. > :28:27.the time. Every sport wants to get into the United States, it has been
:28:28. > :28:32.the clear intent from the IAAF to have a Championships in the United
:28:33. > :28:37.States. I would have loved other states to have bid for it. It wasn't
:28:38. > :28:41.our choice, it was the United States track and Field association but it's
:28:42. > :28:48.an important point here as well, and that is that Eugene and Qatar came
:28:49. > :28:52.within three votes of each other and the council made a judgment that we
:28:53. > :28:57.needed to have a presence in the United States. If anything
:28:58. > :29:03.subsequently comes out of that that gives us any reason for concern or,
:29:04. > :29:09.you know... You will investigate yourself? No, we have an independent
:29:10. > :29:14.integrity unit that will do that but I have been clear we will look at
:29:15. > :29:17.that. After the Olympics, a huge success for you, there was a lot
:29:18. > :29:22.said about legacy and getting young people off the sofa and into sport
:29:23. > :29:26.and it hasn't gone as well as you'd hoped. To what extent do you blame
:29:27. > :29:31.government decisions on cutting budgets in schools? I don't actually
:29:32. > :29:36.because for the first couple of years after the Games I was involved
:29:37. > :29:41.in legacy work in this area, and in fact we found about 200 million to
:29:42. > :29:48.go into primary schools sport. The broader point is before 2005 when we
:29:49. > :29:52.won the right to stage the Games, we were haemorrhaging participation in
:29:53. > :29:57.sport in this country. The very worst you can save post 2005 and in
:29:58. > :30:01.the lead up to the opening ceremony is that 1.5 million more people
:30:02. > :30:06.including a lot of young people have now taken up sport. More people are
:30:07. > :30:10.running and cycling more than ever before, and more people are doing
:30:11. > :30:18.triathlon than ever before. Participation has always been... If
:30:19. > :30:25.you go back in ever greater numbers... The Olympic Park is an
:30:26. > :30:29.extraordinary success. Lord Coe, thanks for talking to us.
:30:30. > :30:31.Amid all the superhero and action movies currently
:30:32. > :30:32.breaking box office records, there's still room
:30:33. > :30:35.for small, intimate films that pack a big punch.
:30:36. > :30:37.Maudie, which opens soon, sees Sally Hawkins play a 1930s
:30:38. > :30:41.painter in Nova Scotia whose artwork becomes wildly successful,
:30:42. > :30:45.despite hostility from her husband, the abusive Everett,
:30:46. > :30:50.It's often beautiful to look at, but makes
:30:51. > :30:55.I caught up with Ethan Hawke to find out how Maud Lewis's
:30:56. > :31:08.Who told you you could paint fairies on the wall?
:31:09. > :31:14.Well, who told you you could do that?
:31:15. > :31:20.You said, "Make the place look all right."
:31:21. > :31:38.No paint in my boots, no paint in my gear.
:31:39. > :31:41.She suffered from juvenile arthritis.
:31:42. > :31:43.She was severely mistreated by her own family.
:31:44. > :31:45.She lived in absolute poverty and she's one
:31:46. > :31:47.of the happiest people you'll ever meet, you know?
:31:48. > :31:49.So, in a way, it's a film about happiness?
:31:50. > :31:52.Well, it's about the transformative power of joy and how
:31:53. > :31:57.this is a woman who, no matter what the surroundings,
:31:58. > :32:00.she still noticed that the sun came up and she would put that
:32:01. > :32:05.And she never even saw another human being's painting.
:32:06. > :32:08.She would see prints of things but she never saw another
:32:09. > :32:10.painting her whole life, but she painted roof
:32:11. > :32:30.And her husband was this kind of very typical
:32:31. > :32:33.of the period misogynist, who really saw the wife as a maid.
:32:34. > :32:40.But he started finding that her paintings were selling
:32:41. > :32:46.And he slowly began to take her in and see the miracle
:32:47. > :32:50.And by the end of his life, he was taking care of her.
:32:51. > :32:54.And to play Everett, you have to get inside the character, obviously.
:32:55. > :32:58.You walk in a specific way and you talk in a very specific way.
:32:59. > :33:00.Sometimes you hardly vocalise at all.
:33:01. > :33:03.It's a sense of grunts and wheezes and so forth.
:33:04. > :33:06.How much of preparing for the role is about trying to get
:33:07. > :33:11.But a lot of it has to do with whether your imagination
:33:12. > :33:15.Sometimes I'll read something and I'll know I can't get there.
:33:16. > :33:18.I don't know that person, I don't know that world.
:33:19. > :33:25.I've been going there a long time and I've taken my kids on fishing
:33:26. > :33:28.trips with a lot of these guys and hung out with lobster fishermen
:33:29. > :33:32.and I really like these people, and they don't seem unfamiliar
:33:33. > :33:39.Now, you know this is basically a politics show.
:33:40. > :33:46.You've spoken a bit about American politics in the past but you've also
:33:47. > :33:48.said recently that you're turning away from politics towards art.
:33:49. > :33:50.I guess presumably because politics always
:33:51. > :33:58.My father is primarily a Republican and my mother is a Democrat
:33:59. > :34:06.and I was raised being taught both points of view.
:34:07. > :34:09.You know, and I was their kid, right, and I love them both, right?
:34:10. > :34:16.And I also grew up in a time period where you would see
:34:17. > :34:17.the Speaker of the House, Tip O'Neill...
:34:18. > :34:20.He would fight with Ronald Reagan but then in an interview would talk
:34:21. > :34:23.about what a good man he was and you would see, you know,
:34:24. > :34:27.big right-wing Republicans speaking openly about what a wonderful
:34:28. > :34:31.This is my childhood I'm talking about, right?
:34:32. > :34:34.And I really grew up with this idea of loyal opposition
:34:35. > :34:39.and for democracy to work, there has to be a loyal opposition
:34:40. > :34:42.and I remember people would say, "You run on your differences
:34:43. > :34:48.but you govern where we're united," you know?
:34:49. > :34:53.And there was a lot of grown-up behaviour.
:34:54. > :34:56.And what I'm seeing now is just so much behaviour that doesn't have
:34:57. > :35:04.Are you saying it's a kind of retreat to tribalism?
:35:05. > :35:09.When I made that comment, I didn't imagine the kind
:35:10. > :35:14.And I know that it can happen but we have to rely on the grown-ups
:35:15. > :35:16.and I'm seeing myself, like, "Oh, wow, here I am,
:35:17. > :35:19.I'm a father of four," and maybe I wasn't realising that I was one
:35:20. > :35:31.We can't accept people not telling the truth.
:35:32. > :35:35.You know, it's funny, because I just keep finding myself
:35:36. > :35:37.thinking about my grandfather, you know - we have nothing
:35:38. > :35:40.to fear but fear itself - and how he used to talk
:35:41. > :35:42.about all this and you would never have placed your identity
:35:43. > :35:48.One of the things that's wonderful...
:35:49. > :35:50.I just saw this movie Dunkirk and one of the wonderful...
:35:51. > :35:52.To feel the national pride of England...
:35:53. > :36:03.And for me, whose grandfather was a World War II veteran
:36:04. > :36:05.and I think that that common enemy created a united...
:36:06. > :36:07.My grandfather never thought of himself as a Republican
:36:08. > :36:10.or Democrat, he was an American, part of the great
:36:11. > :36:16.I think that part of why a person like Donald Trump could get
:36:17. > :36:19.into power is cos a lot of good Republican people, their priority
:36:20. > :36:23.As long as she lost, it felt like a victory
:36:24. > :36:30.It reminded me of kids in our high school who hated our principal
:36:31. > :36:34.so much they thought it would help to vandalise the school.
:36:35. > :36:39.What helps is getting involved and not caring about who wins
:36:40. > :36:47.So I feel upset, much more so than when you speak
:36:48. > :36:52.But good art does speak to politics by just being about people.
:36:53. > :36:54.Ethan Hawke, it's been great talking to you.
:36:55. > :37:05.And Maudie, with Sally Hawkins in another mesmerising role,
:37:06. > :37:10.opens in cinemas across the country on Friday the 4th of August.
:37:11. > :37:13.If the first round of Brexit talks in Brussels have been
:37:14. > :37:15.tough and gruelling, it hasn't dampened the spirits
:37:16. > :37:16.of the International Trade Secretary Liam Fox.
:37:17. > :37:19.He's in the US for talks about a possible free trade deal,
:37:20. > :37:24.which can be discussed but not signed until after Brexit.
:37:25. > :37:27.America is already the UK's second-largest
:37:28. > :37:29.trading partner, though we currently export more
:37:30. > :37:34.So when I spoke to Dr Fox from Washington earlier, I asked him
:37:35. > :37:36.whether we might see more American goods and services
:37:37. > :37:40.We actually have a trade surplus with the United States
:37:41. > :37:47.As you say our trade is worth about ?167 billion.
:37:48. > :37:53.We have done some internal work that reckons it could be worth another
:37:54. > :37:56.40 billion in that by 2030 if we are able to remove
:37:57. > :38:02.That will be a difficult discussion, all FTA discussions are to one
:38:03. > :38:05.extent or another, but we've got great support from the United States
:38:06. > :38:08.and the administration as well as Congress to help push
:38:09. > :38:14.The kind of thing we could get out of this in terms of people
:38:15. > :38:16.watching the programme, consumers, is cheaper food
:38:17. > :38:21.Of course agriculture is always a very difficult issue.
:38:22. > :38:25.Pretty much in any free trade agreement that has ever been done,
:38:26. > :38:28.the last chapter to get agreed, as we are finding with Japan
:38:29. > :38:31.at the present time and the EU, is agriculture, but we'll
:38:32. > :38:34.want to look at a whole range of other things on financial
:38:35. > :38:38.services for example and other parts of the service economy.
:38:39. > :38:42.Right, let me turn to the big area of discussion with Britain recently,
:38:43. > :38:44.which has been transition arrangements with the EU
:38:45. > :38:50.You were talking yourself of these being weeks or months,
:38:51. > :38:53.and then suddenly you have fallen into line with the rest
:38:54. > :38:55.of the Cabinet and said no, a two-year transition period
:38:56. > :38:58.as the Chancellor wants would be completely acceptable.
:38:59. > :39:02.Is that the furthest ambition, I mean is it two years and not a day
:39:03. > :39:11.Well, first of all, I'm actually more clear
:39:12. > :39:15.the European Union is the right decision for the UK.
:39:16. > :39:19.I think I'm more certain than that then even I was at the time
:39:20. > :39:21.of the referendum, and I think that's because our economy
:39:22. > :39:25.Our foreign direct investment's at a record level.
:39:26. > :39:28.We've seen our economy continue to grow with record employment
:39:29. > :39:31.and falling unemployment, rising confidence among our
:39:32. > :39:35.manufacturers, so it seems to me we should go into this with a great
:39:36. > :39:39.And I want to leave the European Union at
:39:40. > :39:47.Once we have done that, once we've fulfilled our promise
:39:48. > :39:49.to the British people, we can look to see what we're
:39:50. > :39:52.going to do in terms of making that a smooth transition
:39:53. > :39:54.for our businesses, to give them maximum certainty
:39:55. > :39:59.And frankly, having waited for over 40 years to leave
:40:00. > :40:03.the European Union, 24 months would be a rounding error.
:40:04. > :40:07.Whether that's 23, whether that's 25, it's not a huge deal and nor
:40:08. > :40:12.It's about the practical issues we would face,
:40:13. > :40:15.about getting for example any new immigration system
:40:16. > :40:19.into place, getting any new customs system into place.
:40:20. > :40:23.That's a practical issue and I think we would want to get it out
:40:24. > :40:31.I don't think people would want to have it dragging on,
:40:32. > :40:33.but I think it's perfectly reasonable to have a transition that
:40:34. > :40:38.I think that's what businesses would want us to have in Britain
:40:39. > :40:40.and I think that's actually what our investors abroad
:40:41. > :40:44.So, any transition period, in your view, must end
:40:45. > :40:46.by the time of the next British general election?
:40:47. > :40:50.I think we would have to be very clear that it was time-limited
:40:51. > :40:52.and it was limited in its scope, we knew exactly what
:40:53. > :40:56.For example, would we be able to negotiate our
:40:57. > :40:58.own trade agreements during that transition period?
:40:59. > :41:01.Because if we were not, then we wouldn't be able to take
:41:02. > :41:03.full advantage of the freedoms available to us when we leave
:41:04. > :41:08.So there's a lot of discussion to be had, but I don't think there's any
:41:09. > :41:10.great ideological blockage on the concept of the transitional
:41:11. > :41:13.or an implementation period, as I would rather put it.
:41:14. > :41:16.So, it could be three more years in your view
:41:17. > :41:22.The reason I'm pushing this point is that during that period,
:41:23. > :41:24.we could still be paying into the EU, we could
:41:25. > :41:26.still be under the ECJ, we could still be accepting,
:41:27. > :41:29.to all intents and purposes, being inside the single market
:41:30. > :41:31.rather than alongside it, and to a lot of people that
:41:32. > :41:38.And you know very well there are people around
:41:39. > :41:41.who want to use the transition period as a way of trying to subvert
:41:42. > :41:46.That is why I think it's imperative that we leave the European Union
:41:47. > :41:52.first and then any implementation period is done voluntarily
:41:53. > :41:55.alongside the European Union to minimise any disruption.
:41:56. > :41:58.Looking at the last couple of weeks, particularly in the last week
:41:59. > :42:01.at Michel Barnier's body language and what he has said
:42:02. > :42:04.about our negotiating position, it seems to me that the politics
:42:05. > :42:06.are beginning to get in the way, as it were.
:42:07. > :42:09.Are you worried about the tone coming out of the EU?
:42:10. > :42:15.I don't think anybody has ever thought that the separation
:42:16. > :42:17.issues between Britain and the European Union would be
:42:18. > :42:20.easy, they are very complex, and clearly there's a lot of passion
:42:21. > :42:28.The second part of the negotiation, which will begin when enough
:42:29. > :42:31.progress has been made on the first part, will be about our future
:42:32. > :42:35.trading relationship and I get an increasing number of not only
:42:36. > :42:38.British but European businesses who say we need to keep an open
:42:39. > :42:42.and comprehensive trading agreement when we get to that part
:42:43. > :42:48.Otherwise Europe will become less competitive in a global context
:42:49. > :42:51.and sometimes I think the debate is being conducted as though Europe
:42:52. > :42:56.One of the things that EU negotiators say again
:42:57. > :42:58.and again and again, particularly in private,
:42:59. > :43:00.is that they are not sure who is actually in charge
:43:01. > :43:06.Until we have settled the question of who is going to be Prime Minister
:43:07. > :43:08.throughout the period and into the next election,
:43:09. > :43:11.they find it very difficult to know how to negotiate.
:43:12. > :43:14.Is it not time for the Conservatives to think again about who your leader
:43:15. > :43:16.is going to be as we go through this process?
:43:17. > :43:20.That's not the impression I get from talking to other European partners.
:43:21. > :43:24.We made very clear our position, the Prime Minister set it out
:43:25. > :43:28.That's not changed, we have been making that clear
:43:29. > :43:31.in all the meetings both in Europe and beyond that the Government's
:43:32. > :43:34.position is the same, that we believe we will be able
:43:35. > :43:36.to get our legislation through Parliament.
:43:37. > :43:39.We have got a working majority now in the House of Commons.
:43:40. > :43:41.When most of our European partners are discussing with us,
:43:42. > :43:45.they're very used to having minority governments themselves.
:43:46. > :43:47.Would you like to see Theresa May remain as Prime Minister
:43:48. > :43:54.Liam Fox, thank you very much for talking to us.
:43:55. > :44:00.Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour Leader, believes he can become
:44:01. > :44:03.That depends, of course, on a Tory meltdown in Parliament.
:44:04. > :44:05.But what would it mean for the British economy
:44:06. > :44:07.and our negotiations to leave the European Union?
:44:08. > :44:21.Hugh got a reputation as a straight talker, clear answers. There was one
:44:22. > :44:24.situation in which you won't give a clear answer. When you're asked if
:44:25. > :44:28.you would like to lease Ilsley the single mother, you can't tell us.
:44:29. > :44:32.The single market is dependent on membership of the EU. What we've
:44:33. > :44:36.said all along as we tariff free access to the European market. But
:44:37. > :44:43.to be absolutely crystal clear, we leave the European single market.
:44:44. > :44:46.The two things are in link to. So the question is, the kind of trade
:44:47. > :44:50.relations in the future and we've made it very clear we want a tariff
:44:51. > :44:55.free trade access with the European market. Some of your colleagues have
:44:56. > :44:58.also made it clear that to get that we would have to accept some version
:44:59. > :45:02.of free movement of people once we've left the EU, a different free
:45:03. > :45:06.movement of people, but some kind of free movement of people. I think we
:45:07. > :45:10.made that clear during the election, that quite clearly there are a lot
:45:11. > :45:14.of British people working in Europe, a lot of your people in this
:45:15. > :45:18.country. We would do two things, one is going to the rights of EU
:45:19. > :45:21.nationals to remain here, including a writer family reunion, and we will
:45:22. > :45:25.expect the same to be done across Europe. And obviously, skills are
:45:26. > :45:29.needed on both sides of the channel. Look at any major company in
:45:30. > :45:31.Britain, they require European skills, as they do British schools
:45:32. > :45:42.on their side. BMW and many others. To get full access to the single
:45:43. > :45:47.market we accept those free movement of people from the EU coming to us
:45:48. > :45:52.and vice versa. It will be managed on the basis of work required. But
:45:53. > :45:57.it would not be stopping people on board? There would be European
:45:58. > :46:02.workers in Britain and Britain workers in Europe, there wouldn't be
:46:03. > :46:07.wholesale importation of underpaid workers from central Europe in order
:46:08. > :46:13.to destroy conditions, particularly in the construction industry. So how
:46:14. > :46:17.do you stop that under your plan? You prevent agencies recruiting
:46:18. > :46:23.wholesale workforces, you advertise for jobs in the locality first. To
:46:24. > :46:27.be clear, you don't stop people coming from Latvia or Poland, you
:46:28. > :46:33.don't stop them at the airport or the border. They come here on the
:46:34. > :46:37.basis of the jobs available and their skill set. What we wouldn't
:46:38. > :46:42.allow is this practice by agencies, who are quite disgraceful in the way
:46:43. > :46:45.they do it, recruit workforce low-paid and bring them here in
:46:46. > :46:52.order to dismiss an existing workforce and construction industry
:46:53. > :46:59.and pay them low wages, it is appalling. Would you allow everybody
:47:00. > :47:04.who wanted to come here to come or stop them at airports? As I said, it
:47:05. > :47:11.would be on the basis of economic skills required. So for example if
:47:12. > :47:17.we don't need any more plumbers, you can go home. The need for nurses is
:47:18. > :47:24.huge and we now have a problem of a shortage of nurses because of Polish
:47:25. > :47:29.nurses who have either got -- gone home or are not coming. So if there
:47:30. > :47:34.were Polish plumbers and we decided we had enough in our country, would
:47:35. > :47:39.they be stopped and told to go home again or allowed in any way? We
:47:40. > :47:43.would look at the situation on the basis of job and skill needs. This
:47:44. > :47:48.is your current thinking that we could stay inside the customs union
:47:49. > :47:54.or we would have to leave it entirely? I am looking to do an
:47:55. > :47:58.agreement with the European Union on tariff-free trade access and of
:47:59. > :48:03.course on trade relations with the rest of the world. The EU have said
:48:04. > :48:07.quite clearly, and I think quite rightly, that they would only do
:48:08. > :48:12.trade agreements, new trade agreements with countries that sign
:48:13. > :48:18.up to the Paris climate change. President Trump has they wish to
:48:19. > :48:21.leave it which calls into question this Government's strategy on a
:48:22. > :48:26.one-off trade deal with the United States, which sounds awfully like
:48:27. > :48:29.the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership to me. Coming
:48:30. > :48:33.back to the Rebecca Long-Bailey remark about having your cake and
:48:34. > :48:41.eat it, there is a choice to be made. Inside the customs union we
:48:42. > :48:46.would have more access to European markets, so basically which side of
:48:47. > :48:49.the fence do you jump? We have to make a judgment, we haven't jumped
:48:50. > :48:54.on either side of the fence but the customs union is part of the
:48:55. > :48:57.European Union. We could have a bespoke trade arrangement with the
:48:58. > :49:01.European Union which says we would have broadly similar trade
:49:02. > :49:05.arrangements with other parts of the world. Personally I would want to
:49:06. > :49:10.strengthen the human rights element which is there, I would want to see
:49:11. > :49:11.that stronger. There's also an environmental elements such as
:49:12. > :49:41.methods of production which I would want to strengthen, so there are
:49:42. > :49:44.areas I would want to go further than the European Union on trade
:49:45. > :49:47.conditions. A lot of people watching are trying to work out if Jeremy
:49:48. > :49:50.Corbyn is going to save them from Brexit and it sounds like that's not
:49:51. > :49:52.your view. You were brought up under the influence of Tony Benn who
:49:53. > :49:54.always saw the EU as a kind of bankers' conspiracy, he was
:49:55. > :49:57.fundamentally against it, are you? I was against the principles of a lot
:49:58. > :49:59.of the free market points of the European Union, hence my
:50:00. > :50:01.disagreement with the Maastricht Treaty, and what Margaret Thatcher
:50:02. > :50:03.was doing which was essentially to promote a deregulated free market
:50:04. > :50:05.across Europe. Social Europe strongly supported them. I have
:50:06. > :50:09.probably been in the European Parliament in Brussels are numerous
:50:10. > :50:18.times over many years discussing those very issues. I campaigned for
:50:19. > :50:23.a Remain vote on the basis of protecting those rights and
:50:24. > :50:30.conditions but they could not continue to oppose state industry. I
:50:31. > :50:36.wanted to see a regulated market. However the referendum is what it
:50:37. > :50:38.is, we have that call now, I want to see a positive partnership
:50:39. > :50:42.relationship with Europe in the future. A lot of people in this
:50:43. > :50:46.country are burdened by high levels of debt because of student loans
:50:47. > :50:52.they had to take out and you said shortly before the election, "I will
:50:53. > :51:03.deal with it". What did you mean by that? It was in the context of an
:51:04. > :51:06.interview I did with the new musical express and the Independent. I
:51:07. > :51:10.recognised it was a huge burden and I didn't make a commitment to write
:51:11. > :51:14.it off because we couldn't at that stage. We had written the manifesto
:51:15. > :51:19.in a short space of time because it was a surprise election, but we
:51:20. > :51:23.would look at ways of reducing the debt burden, recognising quite a lot
:51:24. > :51:31.of it will never be collected anyway, and try to reduce... But the
:51:32. > :51:45.point we absolutely made was that we were just -- that we would abolish
:51:46. > :51:48.debt from the time we came into power. But if you are a young voter
:51:49. > :51:54.and you heard those words, I will deal with it, you might have thought
:51:55. > :51:58.Jeremy Corbyn will relieve me of my debt, but you won't? I said we will
:51:59. > :52:01.try to reduce the burden of it, I never said we would completely
:52:02. > :52:08.abolish it because we were unaware of the size of that time -- at that
:52:09. > :52:12.time. John McDonnell is looking at this policy and we will be making a
:52:13. > :52:18.statement which will set out our plans on it for the future. I must
:52:19. > :52:22.move on to BBC pay. You will have seen the letter from my female
:52:23. > :52:27.colleagues to the BBC's director-general, what is your
:52:28. > :52:31.message to the BBC about that? I would sign the letter with them. The
:52:32. > :52:36.BBC needs to look very hard at itself. The treatment of older women
:52:37. > :52:42.I think is very important but also the gender pay gap is appalling. We
:52:43. > :52:49.would insist on a strong gender pay audit of every organisation and we
:52:50. > :52:55.would also look at a 20-1 ratio between the chief executive and the
:52:56. > :53:00.lowest paid staff. The BBC is very much public sector. The ratio might
:53:01. > :53:04.have a big effect on actors like Benedict Cumberbatch who at the
:53:05. > :53:11.moment licence payers want to see in top-level dramas made by the BBC,
:53:12. > :53:16.would the 20-1 pay ratio affects people like that? If he's employed
:53:17. > :53:21.directly by the BBC, yes, otherwise it is a contractual matter between
:53:22. > :53:26.the BBC and someone else. I support the renewal of the charter. I think
:53:27. > :53:32.it needs to look at itself because the levels of pay are quite
:53:33. > :53:36.astronomical. The pay gap rather is astronomical. And do you think there
:53:37. > :53:40.needs to be more legislation on the pay gap across the piste?
:53:41. > :53:46.Absolutely, we need to have the gender pay audit done, we need a
:53:47. > :53:50.strong imposition of equal pay legislation. There's about 20%
:53:51. > :53:54.gender pay gap in Britain but there's also the question of
:53:55. > :54:01.promotion of women and it's not just at the top level. What about those
:54:02. > :54:05.working in the national Health Service, in local government, in
:54:06. > :54:09.small companies where the women know they are being paid less than a man
:54:10. > :54:13.doing more or less equally the same job? That's the area of
:54:14. > :54:17.discrimination that is so serious within our society and often the
:54:18. > :54:22.loss of women's career progression opportunities when they take time
:54:23. > :54:27.out to have children in their late 20s or 30s, they come back and find
:54:28. > :54:33.a man they were working alongside a year before has shot up the scale
:54:34. > :54:38.and they are left behind. It has been said on BBC's Westminster hour
:54:39. > :54:42.that people from your constituency went to Tony Blair and said Jeremy
:54:43. > :54:48.Corbyn is always rebelling against the leadership, we want to deselect
:54:49. > :54:56.him, and Tony Blair said no, we are broad church. In the same spirit,
:54:57. > :55:00.will you call off the dogs? The selection process is done by party
:55:01. > :55:05.members. Yes, I was challenged during that period for reselection
:55:06. > :55:09.and obviously I was reselected on all of those occasions by the
:55:10. > :55:16.members of the party. There was a trigger ballots, there was a vote, I
:55:17. > :55:20.was reselected. So there is no great thank you to Tony Blair on that one?
:55:21. > :55:24.I have no idea if this conversation took place, and I don't see why
:55:25. > :55:29.people should go to the party leader and say we want to influence what's
:55:30. > :55:34.going on in the constituency. The whole point of democracy is that the
:55:35. > :55:38.people decide. Can you really become Prime Minister within six months,
:55:39. > :55:45.and how would that possibly happen? We will challenge this Government at
:55:46. > :55:50.every turn. We have changed the agenda, changed the debate on
:55:51. > :55:54.economy, on education, and so many other things. We are forcing them
:55:55. > :56:00.all the way. I don't believe it is sustainable for this Government to
:56:01. > :56:04.give money to the DUP to stay in office. It is unsustainable and I'm
:56:05. > :56:07.looking forward to another election and I'm ready for it. I'm not sure
:56:08. > :56:12.the rest of us are! No, but I am! Now a look at what's coming up
:56:13. > :56:22.straight after this programme. We ask, should we be flying less?
:56:23. > :56:27.And a female doctor Who, advertisers being warned about gender
:56:28. > :56:31.stereotypes, are we getting too politically correct? Join us at ten.
:56:32. > :56:34.We're almost out of time for today and we're off on our holidays.
:56:35. > :56:36.We'll be back here on BBC One on Sunday 3rd September.
:56:37. > :56:38.Until then, we leave you with a legendary
:56:39. > :56:40.Broadway performer, currently playing another legend
:56:41. > :56:43.Audra McDonald is starring as the great Billie Holiday
:56:44. > :56:45.in the play Lady Day At Emmerson's Bar And Grill.
:56:46. > :56:49.To perform Lady Day's signature song, Audra's here this morning
:56:50. > :57:23.# So the Bible said and it still is news
:57:24. > :57:40.# But God bless the child that's got his own
:57:41. > :58:46.# But God bless the child that's got his own