12/11/2017

0:00:04 > 0:00:05Good morning.

0:00:05 > 0:00:06Remembrance Sunday.

0:00:06 > 0:00:09A day for many of us to reflect on relatives killed in war,

0:00:09 > 0:00:12but also a day, perhaps, to look around us at the somewhat

0:00:12 > 0:00:15scary seeming world we're living in, and to reflect over many decades

0:00:15 > 0:00:25past, the outlook for Britain was much, much more perilous.

0:00:42 > 0:00:44In an extended and busy programme this week, I'm joined

0:00:44 > 0:00:46by the Environment Secretary, Michael Gove, by the Chief

0:00:46 > 0:00:49of the Defence Staff, Air Marshal Sir Stuart Peach,

0:00:49 > 0:00:53and by the Mayor of London, Labour's Sadiq Khan.

0:00:57 > 0:01:00But I've been out and about as well, talking to that great inventor

0:01:00 > 0:01:03and engineering tycoon, Sir James Dyson - also very

0:01:03 > 0:01:06optimistic about life after Brexit.

0:01:06 > 0:01:08And Tim Parker, the man leading the National Trust,

0:01:08 > 0:01:11an organisation with 5 million members - more than all

0:01:11 > 0:01:13the political parties put together - shows me round Stanley Spencer's

0:01:13 > 0:01:21stunning Memorial Chapel in Hampshire.

0:01:21 > 0:01:23I'll also be talking to Annette Bening about her

0:01:23 > 0:01:25portrayal of a Hollywood legend, alongside Billy Elliot

0:01:25 > 0:01:33star Jamie Bell.

0:01:33 > 0:01:44Has anyone ever told you you look like Lauren Bacall?Yeah, Humphrey

0:01:44 > 0:01:46Bogart.

0:01:46 > 0:01:48And on this Remembrance Sunday, we'll have music from baritone

0:01:48 > 0:01:50Duncan Rock performing one of Housman's greatest

0:01:50 > 0:01:55reflections on lost youth.

0:01:57 > 0:02:02And reviewing the news this week, Guardian columnist Gaby Hinsliff,

0:02:02 > 0:02:07the man whose scoop brought down Priti Patel, the BBC's diplomatic

0:02:07 > 0:02:11correspondent, James Landale, and Camilla Tominey,

0:02:11 > 0:02:13poltical editor of the Sunday Express.

0:02:13 > 0:02:15All that and more coming up soon.

0:02:15 > 0:02:18First, over to the newsroom and Chris Mason.

0:02:18 > 0:02:23Thank you. Good morning.

0:02:23 > 0:02:25A new watchdog to protect the environment after Britain leaves

0:02:25 > 0:02:27the European Union is being planned by the Government.

0:02:27 > 0:02:29The Environment Secretary, Michael Gove, has promised

0:02:29 > 0:02:31an organisation with real bite amid concerns that existing rules

0:02:31 > 0:02:33could be watered down when Brexit takes place.

0:02:33 > 0:02:35The announcement comes as the Commons prepares

0:02:35 > 0:02:40for another vote on the EU Withdrawal Bill this week.

0:02:40 > 0:02:44The Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, has demanded the Foreign Secretary,

0:02:44 > 0:02:45Boris Johnson, be sacked after undermining our country

0:02:45 > 0:02:48and putting our citizens at risk.

0:02:48 > 0:02:51It comes after what Mr Johnson called his "deeply regrettable

0:02:51 > 0:02:53error" in the case of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe -

0:02:53 > 0:02:56the woman jailed in Iran.

0:02:56 > 0:02:59Today, her husband will meet him, following comments he made

0:02:59 > 0:03:01which gave the false impression she'd been teaching

0:03:01 > 0:03:04journalism in Iran.

0:03:04 > 0:03:07The Spanish Prime Minister, Mariano Rajoy, will make his first

0:03:07 > 0:03:10visit to Catalonia since he imposed direct rule two weeks ago

0:03:10 > 0:03:13after the regional government unilaterally declared independence.

0:03:13 > 0:03:15He'll be campaigning for his Popular Party

0:03:15 > 0:03:19in next month's regional elections.

0:03:19 > 0:03:22Yesterday, an estimated 750,000 Catalans

0:03:22 > 0:03:24supported a rally in Barcelona, demanding the release

0:03:24 > 0:03:29of pro-independence leaders detained by the Spanish courts.

0:03:29 > 0:03:32A report suggests some seriously ill children in England

0:03:32 > 0:03:41are being denied access to out of hours palliative care.

0:03:41 > 0:03:44Families say they are being forced to go to A&E

0:03:44 > 0:03:45overnight and at weekends.

0:03:45 > 0:03:46The research - carried out by the charity,

0:03:46 > 0:03:49Together for Short Lives - found that only two-thirds

0:03:49 > 0:03:52of clinical commissioning groups provide an out of hours service.

0:03:52 > 0:03:59Services will be held across the UK to remember Britain's war dead.

0:03:59 > 0:04:01A two-minute silence will be observed at 11 o'clock.

0:04:01 > 0:04:03For the first time, the Queen will watch the national

0:04:03 > 0:04:05commemorations from a balcony near the Cenotaph,

0:04:05 > 0:04:08while Prince Charles will lay a wreath on her behalf.

0:04:08 > 0:04:14That's all from me.

0:04:14 > 0:04:16The next news on BBC One is at 1.30pm.

0:04:16 > 0:04:19Back to you, Andrew.

0:04:19 > 0:04:23Thank you, Chris.

0:04:23 > 0:04:34Perhaps no great surprise, sat Boris. Sunday Times, 40 MPs say

0:04:34 > 0:04:39Theresa May must go. You need 48 Tory MPs to sign the letter to

0:04:39 > 0:04:43trigger a leadership challenge, but nonetheless, that is quite a lot.

0:04:43 > 0:04:48The Sunday Telegraph, Michael Gove, we will be talking much more about

0:04:48 > 0:04:53that later. The Sunday Express, another take on the same sort of

0:04:53 > 0:04:59story, the rebirth of fishing ports. Taking back control of the Seas,

0:04:59 > 0:05:03mainly for the communities around the coasts which have had a hard

0:05:03 > 0:05:11time. Boris and Michael Gove plot to hijack Number 10. We will find out

0:05:11 > 0:05:16more later. Let us start, James, with Boris Johnson. You have spent a

0:05:16 > 0:05:20lot of time tracking him, not a great morning, not surprising Jeremy

0:05:20 > 0:05:26Corbyn wants him to go.It is not surprising but what puzzles me is

0:05:26 > 0:05:31why it has taken Labour so long to targeting politically Boris Johnson.

0:05:31 > 0:05:36The latest case it has been pegged on, the case of Nazanin

0:05:36 > 0:05:41Zaghari-Ratcliffe. And the Foreign Secretary's mistaken claims he made

0:05:41 > 0:05:44in evidence to a Parliamentary committee last week but somehow she

0:05:44 > 0:05:50was training journalists when her family had made it clear she was in

0:05:50 > 0:05:56Iran on holiday. The Sunday Telegraph is also reporting they

0:05:56 > 0:06:00think Boris Johnson might formally correct what he said to the

0:06:00 > 0:06:08committee to try to correct it. Yes, there is a political row around this

0:06:08 > 0:06:12case, but the future of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe is not going to be

0:06:12 > 0:06:16determined by words given to a parliamentary committee, there are

0:06:16 > 0:06:21an awful lot of huge internal political...Can I ask you about the

0:06:21 > 0:06:25distinction between the Iranian government and Boris Johnson said he

0:06:25 > 0:06:31has spoken to his opposite number and the judiciary and state media?

0:06:31 > 0:06:35Totally separate. Boris Johnson has spoken to the Foreign Minister and

0:06:35 > 0:06:39he has said, I will make my views known to the judiciary. He has also

0:06:39 > 0:06:45said in his words, what Boris Johnson said has had no impact on

0:06:45 > 0:06:51this case. The point is, he is only one player in this game. The

0:06:51 > 0:06:54revolutionaries guard judiciary have their own agenda and it is the

0:06:54 > 0:06:59biggest picture.The political scandals come and go, how serious is

0:06:59 > 0:07:05this?I think it is serious because there are such direct human

0:07:05 > 0:07:10consequences for a woman who was sitting in prison separated from her

0:07:10 > 0:07:15childhood was growing up without her and it brings it home to people who

0:07:15 > 0:07:19are not normally interested in to and fro at Westminster. If Boris had

0:07:19 > 0:07:24made one mistake in a career of playing by the rules, it would be

0:07:24 > 0:07:27manageable. But it feels like it adds to something we already know

0:07:27 > 0:07:34which is the is a bit careless, bit slapdash, does not do the homework.

0:07:34 > 0:07:37Do you want this person as your Foreign Secretary?He has not done

0:07:37 > 0:07:45that much to correct it. He could have said, I missed -- I misspoke.

0:07:45 > 0:07:50He has not been as explicit. Your rival paper, you have very

0:07:50 > 0:07:54generously started with it. Boris and Michael Gove, arm in arm, as

0:07:54 > 0:08:02allies.You will be asking him about that. It is not just in the Mail on

0:08:02 > 0:08:08Sunday, this is whether he and Boris are teaming up in what they describe

0:08:08 > 0:08:12as a hard Brexit cell, as if somehow they will get together and start

0:08:12 > 0:08:16water boarding remainers on the Cabinet. They have written to the

0:08:16 > 0:08:21Prime Minister urging her to take a hard Brexit stance. The Mail on

0:08:21 > 0:08:26Sunday does not seem to like this. It says, this is absolute arrogance,

0:08:26 > 0:08:31why are they putting the Prime Minister under this pressure? Some

0:08:31 > 0:08:37sort of axis of evil. It could be described as Cabinet democracy. Two

0:08:37 > 0:08:41people describing their own view on the negotiations.The team to one

0:08:41 > 0:08:45side the headlines, this is interesting to the extent it says

0:08:45 > 0:08:49there are parts of government not preparing properly -- put to one

0:08:49 > 0:08:53side.Yes, they want to reaffirm this notion we are preparing for a

0:08:53 > 0:08:58no deal. The only way it will work is to threaten to leave. That is

0:08:58 > 0:09:03something that has been argued heavily. It is of interest and again

0:09:03 > 0:09:09perhaps you want to ask Mr Gove later, the notion of Boris and

0:09:09 > 0:09:15Michael Gove reuniting, we all remember the treachery that occurred

0:09:15 > 0:09:18when Michael Gove stood the leadership. They appear to have

0:09:18 > 0:09:22buried the hatchet. Quite a formidable duo. That is what people

0:09:22 > 0:09:26will be looking at. Their supremacy in the Cabinet at a time when

0:09:26 > 0:09:31Theresa May is at her most vulnerable.Very interesting. The

0:09:31 > 0:09:36Sunday Telegraph, the other Gove story, plan for a green Brexit

0:09:36 > 0:09:44revolution.Man of the moment,. A key criticism of Brexit, it seems to

0:09:44 > 0:09:47be somehow aligned with climate change denial and this notion that

0:09:47 > 0:09:51as soon as we leave we will be dispensing with all of the good

0:09:51 > 0:09:55things the EU have done with environmentalism. Gove is saying,

0:09:55 > 0:10:00certainly not. The EU commissioner's role as the watchdog is going to be

0:10:00 > 0:10:04taken away from Britain. He wants to set up an independent body to

0:10:04 > 0:10:09oversee the fact that with the EU withdrawal bill, we will be

0:10:09 > 0:10:11absorbing back into our legislation and the EU initiatives that have

0:10:11 > 0:10:16been good for the environment, but on top of that, he wants this

0:10:16 > 0:10:19oversight body making sure the Government are doing things right

0:10:19 > 0:10:23and that will appeal to the left. We have done a story about Michael

0:10:23 > 0:10:31Gove's increased leadership challenge.Suddenly a darling of the

0:10:31 > 0:10:35left! On the Sunday morning, as Prime Minister, you get lots of

0:10:35 > 0:10:40helpful advice in the newspapers. A piece there by the man who used to

0:10:40 > 0:10:46advise David Cameron.His piece of helpful advice is that if Theresa

0:10:46 > 0:10:51May wants to get herself out of this hole, she has to get out of the

0:10:51 > 0:10:55Number 10 bunker and embrace the chaotic word, she should stop

0:10:55 > 0:11:02cowering inside Number 10 -- the chaotic world. He says she should

0:11:02 > 0:11:06talk to people directly and tell them that Brexit will cost a lot of

0:11:06 > 0:11:11money and various other what he describes as being a realist among

0:11:11 > 0:11:16the dreamers, various other hard truths about the downsides, it will

0:11:16 > 0:11:20take longer, we need a transition period, we might not get every trade

0:11:20 > 0:11:24deal instantly. Reading it, you think, for another Prime Minister,

0:11:24 > 0:11:30that could work, appealing over the heads of your Cabinet to the voters,

0:11:30 > 0:11:36still 40% in the polls or whatever. You feel Theresa May's natural

0:11:36 > 0:11:39strength is not people skills. If she could do that, she would not be

0:11:39 > 0:11:45in the problems she is.As the slightly weak position, making

0:11:45 > 0:11:49yourself unpopular, not necessarily...In for a penny, in

0:11:49 > 0:11:56for a pound.Some say, MPs need to think about what the Tory party will

0:11:56 > 0:12:02be in five years. Most so, we just want basic competence, basic sense

0:12:02 > 0:12:07of, what is the one job for government at the moment? Brexit.

0:12:07 > 0:12:14One thing about that piece, I have never seen a water ship metaphor

0:12:14 > 0:12:21stretched... Stormy Waters, sinking ship, walk the plank, every cliche.

0:12:21 > 0:12:26Masterful.Another story, very important, the 40 MPs saying Theresa

0:12:26 > 0:12:33May must go, the Sunday Times front page.40 MPs is not 48, the

0:12:33 > 0:12:36threshold needed to trigger a leadership contest, but it is

0:12:36 > 0:12:40uncomfortably close. The question is whether we have reached the point,

0:12:40 > 0:12:46what has held Tory MPs back until now is there is not some perfect

0:12:46 > 0:12:51candidate waiting in the wings, and a replacement Prime Minister would

0:12:51 > 0:12:58really hasten demands for an election and Tories do not want an

0:12:58 > 0:13:03election now. We may have come to a point where the greater worry is

0:13:03 > 0:13:07Theresa May cannot negotiate Brexit, too compromised, the EU is saying,

0:13:07 > 0:13:15you might not be here in six months. That is accelerating the revolt.

0:13:15 > 0:13:19Absolutely. This is also about ideas and refreshing Tory ideas, a story

0:13:19 > 0:13:24in the Sunday Telegraph, before that, I have noticed over the last

0:13:24 > 0:13:28few weeks and months, the Sunday Express, your paper, putting

0:13:28 > 0:13:35politics more often on the front page than it used to. Why?We have

0:13:35 > 0:13:39always splashed on hard news stories. It is sometimes associated

0:13:39 > 0:13:42with health stories. We have gone for the news of the week. Politics

0:13:42 > 0:13:47is selling for us and it is good and we always do the Sunday lunch test

0:13:47 > 0:13:51when we think about what we will splashed on, what are people talking

0:13:51 > 0:13:54about? The readers have felt vindicated by Brexit and want to

0:13:54 > 0:13:58read more about it. Fisheries is emblematic and that is why we put it

0:13:58 > 0:14:10on the throat.-- the front. Revived Thatcher...This is Lord Saatchi,

0:14:10 > 0:14:18head of the 1922 Committee, new generation project. Taking on the

0:14:18 > 0:14:22Corbynistas. It makes the point that the Conservatives have lost some of

0:14:22 > 0:14:29the key arguments of Thatcherism, perhaps in an attempt to be more

0:14:29 > 0:14:36like Labour. He they are saying, go back to Thatcherite principles, be

0:14:36 > 0:14:39unashamedly conservative but with compassion. Amber Rudd will be

0:14:39 > 0:14:45giving the keynote speech which might raise eyebrows.A vast list of

0:14:45 > 0:14:50stories to cover, up one and a half minutes left, all very quick. James,

0:14:50 > 0:14:55Northern Ireland, another really important political story.It has

0:14:55 > 0:14:59not been sorted yet. What I thought was really interesting in this piece

0:14:59 > 0:15:04in the Observer is the scale of the robustness of the briefing... We

0:15:04 > 0:15:09think only the Brits brief, the Europeans briefed very hard.

0:15:09 > 0:15:13Fantastic quote, a senior EU official is quoted as saying, from

0:15:13 > 0:15:17my impression, the issue of Northern Ireland is not a priority for the

0:15:17 > 0:15:23UK. If I was UK negotiator, I would find it deeply offensive. A quote

0:15:23 > 0:15:26from an incredibly powerful pro-European MEP who accuses,

0:15:26 > 0:15:31Britain's experiences a collapse, overstatement to say the least.A

0:15:31 > 0:15:45lot of very aggressive briefings from Brussels. The NHS, finally.

0:15:45 > 0:15:49This is a piece in the Observer, talking about the pressure on Philip

0:15:49 > 0:15:53Hammond to produce more money from the offer from the NHS but the

0:15:53 > 0:15:58budget, we are looking at long waits in A&E up Wi-Fi from 2% since 2010,

0:15:58 > 0:16:04he is being asked to find money for the NHS, housing, cancer and a

0:16:04 > 0:16:08liberal world peace at the same time.An awful lot resting on this

0:16:08 > 0:16:13budget.Thank you so much, that was a really good run through of the

0:16:13 > 0:16:16most important stories.

0:16:16 > 0:16:19Remembrance Sunday, few places in Britain suffered as much

0:16:19 > 0:16:21during the Second World War as London, its Mayor,

0:16:21 > 0:16:24Sadiq Khan is with me.

0:16:24 > 0:16:30We were talking about Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe, she is a

0:16:30 > 0:16:35Londoner, I wonder what your take is on this story.Our thoughts are with

0:16:35 > 0:16:39Richard her husband and Gabrielle her daughter, her local MP has been

0:16:39 > 0:16:44campaigning for the last 18 months to get attention on her campaign,

0:16:44 > 0:16:48not in the way it's got in the last week or so and of course I think

0:16:48 > 0:16:53it's important Boris Johnson clarifies the huge error he made

0:16:53 > 0:17:01because he has been asked... What he said, it's an admission under cap of

0:17:01 > 0:17:06the British government about what Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe is

0:17:06 > 0:17:09supposed to have done. She needs to be back home in London for she

0:17:09 > 0:17:15belongs.Do you think Jeremy Corbyn saying he must now resign or be

0:17:15 > 0:17:20sacked is going too far?As you panel said this is the latest in a

0:17:20 > 0:17:25long list of gaffes made by the Foreign Secretary, in relation to

0:17:25 > 0:17:29the Libyans, he has offended the Americans, saying President Barack

0:17:29 > 0:17:36Obama is anti British because he uses part Kenyan, what he said about

0:17:36 > 0:17:40whiskey tariffs, I think he has got to go. Here's our Foreign Secretary,

0:17:40 > 0:17:44his job is diplomacy and representing the best interests of

0:17:44 > 0:17:48our country and of Theresa May was a strong Prime Minister she would have

0:17:48 > 0:17:52sacked him a long time ago. Questions about why she quoted in

0:17:52 > 0:17:56the first place, she did, but surely she must have enough for him to go.

0:17:56 > 0:18:01Your record as mayor in London, 18 months, your original manifesto you

0:18:01 > 0:18:05said this, I want to be crystal clear, no ifs or buts come off what

0:18:05 > 0:18:10you will pay if I am elected mayor in 2016 as a traveller in London is

0:18:10 > 0:18:14what you will pay at the end of my four years in office. Have you stuck

0:18:14 > 0:18:19by that promise not?.Absolutely, in eight years before I became mayor,

0:18:19 > 0:18:26TEFL fares for up by 42%, I've frozen them, TEFL fares are frozen

0:18:26 > 0:18:30for four years, the problem is the government is in charge of the

0:18:30 > 0:18:36private companies, my point is simple, if I can freeze TEFL there

0:18:36 > 0:18:40is, why can't you? If they froze the affairs of the private operating

0:18:40 > 0:18:45companies, travel fares would be frozen as with the oyster...What I

0:18:45 > 0:18:48suggest you haven't actually frozen fares, you go to the tube station,

0:18:48 > 0:18:52you watch people going through the barriers, almost everyone is using a

0:18:52 > 0:18:57contactless travel card or credit card or oyster card, those fares

0:18:57 > 0:19:03have gone up.Those people who don't benefit... Plus fares are the same,

0:19:03 > 0:19:08trams are the same, unless you get to the cab of a travel card, there

0:19:08 > 0:19:11is an increase but that is because of the government's unwillingness to

0:19:11 > 0:19:16stand up to the private companies. If I can freeze TEFL fares, 42%

0:19:16 > 0:19:22under the previous guy, zero increase... And these companies are

0:19:22 > 0:19:26making huge profits.You said all fares and four huge numbers of

0:19:26 > 0:19:30people using London transport that promise has not been kept.There is

0:19:30 > 0:19:33a chance for the Chancellor in a week and a half to do what I have

0:19:33 > 0:19:39done, reduce inefficiencies and freeze the train operating company

0:19:39 > 0:19:43affairs. If I can do it for Transport for London I don't see why

0:19:43 > 0:19:48the government can't, it's a good example of the government being

0:19:48 > 0:19:53scared to say boo to a goose and commuters losing out.You don't

0:19:53 > 0:19:56regret the slogans you are using. I'm really proud to have frozen

0:19:56 > 0:20:03fares and we've brought in to- one within an hour. All the things Boris

0:20:03 > 0:20:08Johnson said he could do when he was mayor.With regards to housing, 50%

0:20:08 > 0:20:11of housing under you would be affordable you said, that hasn't

0:20:11 > 0:20:15happened.We are publishing a draft and plan in the next few weeks and

0:20:15 > 0:20:21that will set out the ambition.You said it was a target, it would be a

0:20:21 > 0:20:25target, it has now become a long-term ambition which is

0:20:25 > 0:20:28something very different.It is a target. In my first year as mayor we

0:20:28 > 0:20:33increased the number of affordable homes given permission from 13% in

0:20:33 > 0:20:38the last year Boris Johnson was mayor almost 40% in my first-year,

0:20:38 > 0:20:42using his policies. I have not changed policies yet, it takes some

0:20:42 > 0:20:46time to draft a draft...The number of houses built in London is

0:20:46 > 0:20:54dropping shortly -- sharply, the number coded is down by 30 odd

0:20:54 > 0:20:59percent, why?A number of complex reasons from Brexit to the certainty

0:20:59 > 0:21:03caused by developers and investors by Brexit, the investment the

0:21:03 > 0:21:06government has given to infrastructure, the good news, in my

0:21:06 > 0:21:11first six months as mayor we have managed to increase the numbers

0:21:11 > 0:21:15permissions for affordable homes to record levels, what we need to do

0:21:15 > 0:21:19this with the government to commit to housing investment,

0:21:19 > 0:21:23infrastructure, police councils from the burden so they can borrow to

0:21:23 > 0:21:26invest in council homes but also make sure we get a good deal but

0:21:26 > 0:21:31London. We need to build much more comes in London, we have a housing

0:21:31 > 0:21:35crisis affecting all parts of London, not simply the cleaners,

0:21:35 > 0:21:39porters, below was paid but start-ups, Chief Executive is, and

0:21:39 > 0:21:51headteachers.Are you still an Uber man?I have never knowingly used a

0:21:51 > 0:21:54Uber but what I am not going to do is take risks with security and

0:21:54 > 0:22:02safety. I support the TEFL decision to say to Uber and others,...It

0:22:02 > 0:22:08seems as if you have made nice after was the thought would be a punch-up.

0:22:08 > 0:22:13Uber a talented -- challenging Transport for London as is their

0:22:13 > 0:22:22right, there are four reasons why TFL were persuaded Uber was not

0:22:22 > 0:22:29safe. But I am happy that the Chief Executive of Uber has recognised

0:22:29 > 0:22:36Uber were wrong. We will meet with Uber to see if we can reach a

0:22:36 > 0:22:40compromise but it's important to recognise that Uber have apologised

0:22:40 > 0:22:43for mistakes made in the past and are willing to make sure in the

0:22:43 > 0:22:46future the quality of service they provide a safe and secure.Staying

0:22:46 > 0:22:50with four wins, you have been aggressive in some of your targets

0:22:50 > 0:22:55for removing diesel emissions from the capital, diesel fumes kill a lot

0:22:55 > 0:22:58of Londoners, what do you want to see from the budget in terms of

0:22:58 > 0:23:03scrappage schemes because a lot of more poor Londoners had diesel cars,

0:23:03 > 0:23:07and telling them they must get rid of them is pretty tough.When

0:23:07 > 0:23:10Michael Gove speaks to you shortly I am hoping he will say he has

0:23:10 > 0:23:14persuaded the Chancellor to set up a fund to support those armies,

0:23:14 > 0:23:19businesses and charities to move away from diesel. We need a clean

0:23:19 > 0:23:24air act fit for purpose, the 21st-century, more investment,

0:23:24 > 0:23:27powers for regions and foreigners around the country...What about

0:23:27 > 0:23:33taxes?More than 40,000 people across the country died prematurely

0:23:33 > 0:23:40because of the poor quality are, a combination of carrots and sticks,

0:23:40 > 0:23:44we need to move people away from diesel, not sending them back to

0:23:44 > 0:23:49petrol because of concerns around carbon emissions. I am investing

0:23:49 > 0:23:53record amounts in walking, cycling, public transport, we need to make

0:23:53 > 0:23:57sure the government, a truly important in Michael Gove comes to

0:23:57 > 0:24:02it, has good news, not three, four, six years down the road, now.There

0:24:02 > 0:24:06was controversy between you and Donald Trump not so long ago on

0:24:06 > 0:24:09Twitter and elsewhere, you did not want him to come to the country, he

0:24:09 > 0:24:12is coming next year, are you planning to the visitor would you

0:24:12 > 0:24:19like to meeting?I have been a blood in practice it in and on Twitter

0:24:19 > 0:24:23between President John Baron is this, we must have really good

0:24:23 > 0:24:26relations with our closest ally, we have a special relationship with

0:24:26 > 0:24:30them... It is good that Theresa May and Donald Trump have a good working

0:24:30 > 0:24:34relationship of what I am not in favour of is a state visit, with all

0:24:34 > 0:24:40that entails, the red carpet being ruled out, I welcome the good

0:24:40 > 0:24:43relations that Donald Trump and Theresa May have...If he comes here

0:24:43 > 0:24:48as Mayor of London, should you need him?If I am asked to meet with them

0:24:48 > 0:24:53I will be happy to meet with them and show him parts of London for

0:24:53 > 0:24:59those of all faiths and those of non-are respected, tolerated and

0:24:59 > 0:25:03embrace each other. We can be a beacon not only to the USA President

0:25:03 > 0:25:06but to the rest of the world.Final question, do you want to stop

0:25:06 > 0:25:12Brexit?I accept the verdict of the British public that we are leaving

0:25:12 > 0:25:17the EU, what I am against is no deal, hard Brexit, what I want is a

0:25:17 > 0:25:21Brexit that is good for jobs, prosperity...I said last question,

0:25:21 > 0:25:25I will ask you one more, isn't it a ridiculous idea that London could

0:25:25 > 0:25:29have a different deal from the rest of the country? London as part of

0:25:29 > 0:25:33the rest of the country, it can't be separated by a border and have its

0:25:33 > 0:25:39own arrangement?I'm not suggesting a unilateral declaration of

0:25:39 > 0:25:44independence, nor will there be a border or a walk built around the

0:25:44 > 0:25:47M25, what I am in favour, I recognise London needs to do well

0:25:47 > 0:25:51for the country to do well and that means recognising membership of the

0:25:51 > 0:25:55single market, customs union, welcoming talent to this country,

0:25:55 > 0:26:00giving cast-iron guarantees to Londoners, who are scared about

0:26:00 > 0:26:07their future, pro-jobs, progrowth stop you are on your way to the

0:26:07 > 0:26:17Cenotaph, but already there is my colleague Sophie.

0:26:17 > 0:26:20Already there now is Sophie Raworth who's been speaking to the veterans

0:26:20 > 0:26:26gathering in central London.

0:26:26 > 0:26:30Welcome to Horse Guards Parade, the crowds gathering, veterans expected

0:26:30 > 0:26:39to take the place shortly. There are so many people here, so many faces,

0:26:39 > 0:26:44stories, conflicts represented and I am joined by Mike Chapple and Chris

0:26:44 > 0:26:51Howe, Mike you are from 84 Squadron, for the first time.That's right, we

0:26:51 > 0:26:56are here to remember personnel who fought in North Africa, the Far East

0:26:56 > 0:27:01and Middle East, but particularly the 84 Squadron personnel captured

0:27:01 > 0:27:05by the Japanese and imprisoned in prisoner of war camps. We like to

0:27:05 > 0:27:08remember them.Particularly poignant, you're centenary year and

0:27:08 > 0:27:12the first time you have been here, you are a unique Squadron, formed

0:27:12 > 0:27:18here in 1917 were never been based here since.At least bolder in the

0:27:18 > 0:27:22new Forest, went to the western front in France and been operational

0:27:22 > 0:27:27overseas ever since, never served in the UK, currently active with

0:27:27 > 0:27:32helicopter operations in Cyprus.You are a Falklands veteran, on board

0:27:32 > 0:27:38HMS Coventry in May 82, it is poignant for you to come back here.

0:27:38 > 0:27:46Certainly is, a hard core of HMS -- HMS Coventry, one of the

0:27:46 > 0:27:49opportunities we get too remembered 19 of our shipmates who lost their

0:27:49 > 0:27:53lives, we come here to remember, March and respect and to support

0:27:53 > 0:27:57each other in the years that have gone by and it's something you never

0:27:57 > 0:28:03forget, the tragedy that happened, sunk in 20 minutes by bombs and it

0:28:03 > 0:28:09was quite horrendous.You sustained terrible injuries, almost a third of

0:28:09 > 0:28:13your body was burned but you went back there for the first year, you

0:28:13 > 0:28:18went above the wreck of HMS Coventry?12 of us went on a

0:28:18 > 0:28:25pilgrimage 35 years on and we managed... Loss of sound... To take

0:28:25 > 0:28:33us out over the Coventry war grave, we held a service, Casa out a

0:28:33 > 0:28:37wreath, poured out a tot of wrong for our shipmates and it was so

0:28:37 > 0:28:46emotional. And we hope we did our shipmates proud.I have been

0:28:46 > 0:28:51admiring your wonderful poppy. Made by your grandson.It was made by

0:28:51 > 0:29:00Nico. As part of their project they went to the Poppy factory and it was

0:29:00 > 0:29:07a great project. -- a tot of rum. There is a seven-year-old taking

0:29:07 > 0:29:13part in the march past as well as the oldest veteran, 99 years old, a

0:29:13 > 0:29:17gentle man called Ernie and we will talk to him. But Andrew, back to

0:29:17 > 0:29:26you.You will have noticed that the umbrellas are out.

0:29:26 > 0:29:27A classic raw, dank, bone-chilling November morning.

0:29:27 > 0:29:30Susan Powell will fill us in on what's coming next

0:29:30 > 0:29:33for all those memorial crowds gathering up and down the country.

0:29:38 > 0:29:43You are exactly right, cold are sinking its way south and the chill

0:29:43 > 0:29:48is amplified by a biting northerly wind. Here are the way things will

0:29:48 > 0:29:52look at 11am, scattered showers to the south, heavy showers across

0:29:52 > 0:29:57Wales and the West Midlands, hats with some help. Sunshine North and

0:29:57 > 0:30:01east, showers running into the East Coast, tending to thin out in the

0:30:01 > 0:30:06next couple hours across Northern Ireland, still some to come for the

0:30:06 > 0:30:10Highlands and Grampians, wintry at times. The wind is a key factor,

0:30:10 > 0:30:16showers in the West easing this afternoon, drifting more onshore

0:30:16 > 0:30:20into Yorkshire, Lincolnshire and East Anglia, temperatures deceptive,

0:30:20 > 0:30:24that is the way they will look on the thermometer, this is how it will

0:30:24 > 0:30:28feel. The stinky chilly. Staying with the chill overnight,

0:30:28 > 0:30:32high-pressure building killing the wind, leaving clear skies, perfect

0:30:32 > 0:30:37for widespread frost to start the new week, temperatures as low as

0:30:37 > 0:30:43minus five. Monday starting chilly, pride, enjoy the early sunshine,

0:30:43 > 0:30:48clouding over in England and Wales, being cold Monday afternoon, rain

0:30:48 > 0:30:51for Northern Ireland, and some snow on the way for Scotland. A wintry

0:30:51 > 0:30:51feel.

0:30:51 > 0:30:57lot of very aggressive briefings from Brussels. The NHS, finally.

0:30:57 > 0:31:01Remember, the countryside does need frost. We will be talking more about

0:31:01 > 0:31:04the countryside later.

0:31:04 > 0:31:07Sometimes, when I'm reflecting on Brexit, I wonder if it's

0:31:07 > 0:31:10an argument about who we choose to have our trade deficit with -

0:31:10 > 0:31:12the EU or the rest of the world.

0:31:12 > 0:31:14That's really about our productivity - inventing things here

0:31:14 > 0:31:15the rest of the world wants.

0:31:15 > 0:31:17And one of the great optimists about our future

0:31:17 > 0:31:20is Sir James Dyson, who has created an engineering hub in Wiltshire

0:31:20 > 0:31:23and is now planning a new university for engineers there as well.

0:31:23 > 0:31:26I spoke to him earlier this week and began by asking him

0:31:26 > 0:31:27about that project.

0:31:27 > 0:31:30We are hundreds of thousands of engineers short at the moment.

0:31:30 > 0:31:32I think we will be 2 million engineers short by 2022.

0:31:32 > 0:31:42To solve that problem, we are establishing a university.

0:31:42 > 0:31:45I have been going to the Secretary of State for Higher Education,

0:31:45 > 0:31:46saying, "There aren't enough engineers, there aren't

0:31:46 > 0:31:47enough engineers."

0:31:47 > 0:31:50I went to Jo Johnson and said, "There aren't enough engineers."

0:31:50 > 0:31:51He said, "Do your own university."

0:31:51 > 0:31:54It took me about 30 seconds to say, "Yes, I will."

0:31:54 > 0:31:56I saw immediately that was what we should do.

0:31:56 > 0:31:59This is a university to produce more engineers for Britain,

0:31:59 > 0:32:01and presumably, for Dyson as well.

0:32:01 > 0:32:03But to what extent do you also depend on engineers coming

0:32:03 > 0:32:06in from outside the UK in large numbers to help you?

0:32:06 > 0:32:09I understand we have 50 nationalities here,

0:32:09 > 0:32:12so we are bringing engineers in from France, all over the place,

0:32:12 > 0:32:15but what I am much more interested in doing is keeping engineers

0:32:15 > 0:32:18here who have studied at British universities.

0:32:18 > 0:32:2260% of engineers reading engineering at university are from outside

0:32:22 > 0:32:25the EU and 90% of researchers, postgraduate researchers,

0:32:25 > 0:32:27at British universities in science and engineering

0:32:27 > 0:32:29are from outside the EU.

0:32:29 > 0:32:33We do not make them welcome, we tell them to leave when they finish.

0:32:33 > 0:32:34This is madness.

0:32:34 > 0:32:36Have you spoken to the Government about this?

0:32:36 > 0:32:37"For goodness' sake, we need these people.

0:32:37 > 0:32:39They will make us richer overall."

0:32:39 > 0:32:41I have been speaking to the Government for years about it.

0:32:41 > 0:32:45Damian Green, for example, at the Home Office told me that

0:32:45 > 0:32:48if we allowed engineers to stay, a whole lot of universities

0:32:48 > 0:32:49would pop up having spurious engineering courses,

0:32:49 > 0:32:50which is nonsense.

0:32:50 > 0:32:51Complete nonsense.

0:32:51 > 0:32:55There is a complete impasse here.

0:32:55 > 0:32:58They won't allow engineering and science students to stay or make

0:32:58 > 0:33:00them feel welcome and that's precisely what we should do.

0:33:00 > 0:33:03During the referendum, you were a great advocate for Brexit.

0:33:03 > 0:33:06A lot of people watching this programme now feel very

0:33:06 > 0:33:07scared for Britain's prospects after Brexit.

0:33:07 > 0:33:09Why should they not be scared?

0:33:09 > 0:33:13Well, there's fantastic opportunity outside Europe.

0:33:13 > 0:33:15There is opportunity within Europe, but Europe is the slowest

0:33:15 > 0:33:20growing area in the world.

0:33:20 > 0:33:23The other areas are much faster growing and I think 90% of future

0:33:23 > 0:33:26growth will come outside the EU and that's true with Dyson.

0:33:26 > 0:33:3086% of our growth last year was outside the EU.

0:33:30 > 0:33:35We have already fallen off the cliff as a company.

0:33:35 > 0:33:37We pay the WTO tariff into Europe.

0:33:37 > 0:33:40We fell off the cliff some time ago, as the Bank of England keeps saying.

0:33:40 > 0:33:43Yet we are one of the fastest-growing companies in Europe.

0:33:43 > 0:33:45It hasn't held us back at all.

0:33:45 > 0:33:47Nonetheless, as you say, more than 80% of your

0:33:47 > 0:33:50exporting is outside the EU.

0:33:50 > 0:33:53What do you say to those people, very often car companies and others,

0:33:53 > 0:34:02with complex supply chains, connected to the EU at the moment,

0:34:02 > 0:34:05who are worried about the tariffs to and fro and really think

0:34:05 > 0:34:06they are in trouble?

0:34:06 > 0:34:09It is not a problem with the supply chain because that is duty-free.

0:34:09 > 0:34:13It is the sale of finished cars that is a problem because it is 10%.

0:34:13 > 0:34:16So the Government has got plenty of room to give tax deductions,

0:34:16 > 0:34:19compensation, to British exporters of cars to Europe.

0:34:19 > 0:34:22On the 100 billion of imbalance of trade, they will have 10% duty

0:34:22 > 0:34:24which is 10 billion, so they can afford to give

0:34:24 > 0:34:2610 billion to the car companies.

0:34:26 > 0:34:28As somebody who is very optimistic about Britain after Brexit,

0:34:28 > 0:34:31how confident are you that this government will actually deliver

0:34:31 > 0:34:33Brexit, given the way things are at the moment?

0:34:33 > 0:34:39Well, I don't think it is the Government's fault.

0:34:39 > 0:34:43I think the problem is the people we are negotiating with and I think

0:34:43 > 0:34:45demanding billions and billions to leave is quite outrageous

0:34:45 > 0:34:47and demanding it before we have negotiated anything is outrageous.

0:34:47 > 0:34:49So I would walk away.

0:34:49 > 0:34:51I think that's the only way to deal with them.

0:34:51 > 0:34:54I've been dealing with the EU and the EU countries

0:34:54 > 0:34:56for the last 25 years, on IEC standards, energy labels

0:34:56 > 0:34:57and all that kind of thing.

0:34:57 > 0:35:05There is no way to deal with them.

0:35:05 > 0:35:06You have to walk away.

0:35:06 > 0:35:08If you walk away, they will come to us.

0:35:08 > 0:35:10They want to export all their products to us.

0:35:10 > 0:35:12They will come back to us.

0:35:12 > 0:35:14We are in a very, very strong position.

0:35:14 > 0:35:15Incredibly strong position.

0:35:15 > 0:35:16We shouldn't give them any money.

0:35:16 > 0:35:19We should just walk away and they will come to us.

0:35:19 > 0:35:22What you would like to see is some time in the relatively near future,

0:35:22 > 0:35:24Theresa May's government looks at the negotiations and says,

0:35:24 > 0:35:27they are not working, not going in the right direction,

0:35:27 > 0:35:29and literally, walk away?

0:35:29 > 0:35:30We have tried very hard.

0:35:30 > 0:35:33We have been very reasonable.

0:35:33 > 0:35:36They have been incredibly unreasonable and I think it is now

0:35:36 > 0:35:38the time, the time has come, to walk away.

0:35:38 > 0:35:41Post-Brexit, how are we going to make enough money around the world?

0:35:41 > 0:35:44How are we going to change as a country to make that work?

0:35:44 > 0:35:46Because we are going to have to change, aren't we?

0:35:46 > 0:35:49We are going to have to change and we should have

0:35:49 > 0:35:50changed a long time ago.

0:35:50 > 0:35:52We have ignored manufacturing and engineering and technology.

0:35:52 > 0:35:56We have got to refocus ourselves, as indeed Singapore did 50 years ago

0:35:56 > 0:35:58when it split from Malaysia and they have become I think

0:35:58 > 0:36:02the second largest technology exporting country in the world.

0:36:02 > 0:36:05I wonder whether there is any chance in your view of a genuine

0:36:05 > 0:36:08manufacturing renaissance happening in post-Brexit Britain?

0:36:08 > 0:36:10My theory about why manufacturing left is that we had decades

0:36:10 > 0:36:17of high interest rates, ridiculously high interest rates,

0:36:17 > 0:36:2024% at one point when I was manufacturing wheelbarrows.

0:36:20 > 0:36:22Then the very difficult employment laws.

0:36:22 > 0:36:32This is controversial, but since I don't know what orders

0:36:33 > 0:36:36I am going to get next month or next year, industry, manufacturing

0:36:36 > 0:36:37is very volatile.

0:36:37 > 0:36:40Not being able to flex your workforce is another big reason why

0:36:40 > 0:36:42you wouldn't start a manufacturing business or expand

0:36:42 > 0:36:43a manufacturing business.

0:36:43 > 0:36:46Easier to hire and fire in effect, is what you're saying?

0:36:46 > 0:36:47Easier to hire and fire.

0:36:47 > 0:36:49So when it comes to things like corporation tax, for instance.

0:36:49 > 0:36:58People say, if there is a problem with industry,

0:36:58 > 0:37:00the Chancellor should just freeze or cut corporation tax

0:37:00 > 0:37:01and that will solve things.

0:37:01 > 0:37:04From what you were saying, that is a rather simplistic

0:37:04 > 0:37:06and narrow view of what needs to be done.

0:37:06 > 0:37:07I think corporation tax should be eliminated.

0:37:07 > 0:37:10A tax on profits is the wrong way to tax people.

0:37:10 > 0:37:12Corporation tax is a very odd thing.

0:37:12 > 0:37:14There are ways of getting around paying it.

0:37:14 > 0:37:16You should not really be taxing people's profits,

0:37:16 > 0:37:18you should allow profits to be reinvested.

0:37:18 > 0:37:20And also, if you remove corporation tax, you encourage a lot

0:37:20 > 0:37:23of industry to come to Britain.

0:37:23 > 0:37:26Since we are talking about tax, in the light of recent developments,

0:37:26 > 0:37:28in the end, should companies pay their due taxes?

0:37:28 > 0:37:31Is this something that is a moral duty, do you think,

0:37:31 > 0:37:32for a big company?

0:37:32 > 0:37:34Yes, it is a moral duty.

0:37:34 > 0:37:36It is a legal duty and a moral duty.

0:37:36 > 0:37:39Indeed, we paid 450 million in tax last year,

0:37:39 > 0:37:42so we are a big contributor.

0:37:42 > 0:37:45You have thrown yourself now and put 2 billion behind one of the most

0:37:45 > 0:37:48complicated things any engineering company can do which is

0:37:48 > 0:37:49to produce a new car.

0:37:49 > 0:37:51Can you tell us anything about it yet?

0:37:51 > 0:37:53I would love to but my lips are sealed.

0:37:53 > 0:37:55It is an electric car.

0:37:55 > 0:37:58Will it be driverless?

0:37:58 > 0:38:03There will be some driverless in it.

0:38:03 > 0:38:04I cannot talk too much about that.

0:38:04 > 0:38:06Of course, that is coming, slowly.

0:38:06 > 0:38:07You must not rush that.

0:38:07 > 0:38:09It is interesting because we have to develop everything.

0:38:09 > 0:38:10We are developing new battery technology

0:38:10 > 0:38:14because that is crucial to it.

0:38:14 > 0:38:16Electric motors are something we are pretty skilful in,

0:38:16 > 0:38:19so we are doing interesting electric motors.

0:38:19 > 0:38:22It will be an entire Dyson car, nobody else's components.

0:38:22 > 0:38:25And I think at this stage you have not decided yet

0:38:25 > 0:38:27whether you are actually going to manufacture this car

0:38:27 > 0:38:33in the UK or somewhere else.

0:38:33 > 0:38:36What would it take to make you decide to choose the UK?

0:38:36 > 0:38:39We are going to make it ourselves, but whether we make it

0:38:39 > 0:38:42here or somewhere in the Far East or wherever, we haven't decided yet.

0:38:42 > 0:38:45It is really about component supply and skills.

0:38:45 > 0:38:46There isn't anything Philip Hammond could do?

0:38:46 > 0:38:54Not really.

0:38:54 > 0:38:57We will go where it is best to make the car from the point of view

0:38:57 > 0:39:00of getting the supply chain which is crucial and the skills

0:39:00 > 0:39:01necessary to build it.

0:39:01 > 0:39:04In terms of all the things you want to do, we haven't spoken

0:39:04 > 0:39:06about the amazing RAF airfield you have acquired.

0:39:06 > 0:39:09Tell us a little bit about it and what you want to do there.

0:39:09 > 0:39:12We ran out of space here so we need somewhere to expand.

0:39:12 > 0:39:16We are building a car and that is a very good place to test it.

0:39:16 > 0:39:18It was built in the mid-'30s, early-to-mid '30s.

0:39:18 > 0:39:21At the end of the war, there were a thousand

0:39:21 > 0:39:24aircraft on that airfield and there are nearly 600 acres

0:39:24 > 0:39:26there and lots of old hangars.

0:39:26 > 0:39:29A wonderful base from which to start.

0:39:29 > 0:39:34Sir James Dyson, thanks very much indeed for talking to us.

0:39:34 > 0:39:37Quite a story.

0:39:37 > 0:39:38The Oscar-winning 1950s star Gloria Grahame

0:39:38 > 0:39:39is almost forgotten now.

0:39:39 > 0:39:42But a new biopic starring Annette Bening will do

0:39:42 > 0:39:45much to revive her fame.

0:39:45 > 0:39:48Film Stars Don't Die in Liverpool sees Bening play the actress

0:39:48 > 0:39:52in her final years when she finds love in the arms of a younger man.

0:39:52 > 0:39:55Billy Elliot star Jamie Bell plays the lover from Liverpool in a tender

0:39:55 > 0:39:58and beautifully-made film.

0:39:58 > 0:40:00A labour of love for Hollywood producer, Barbara Broccoli -

0:40:00 > 0:40:03the woman behind the James Bond blockbusters.

0:40:03 > 0:40:05This is a personal project that's being tipped for success

0:40:05 > 0:40:07come awards season.

0:40:07 > 0:40:09You are the next door guy, right?

0:40:09 > 0:40:11Which makes you the girl next door.

0:40:11 > 0:40:15I need a partner for my dance class.

0:40:15 > 0:40:19If I make you a drink, will you come into my room and hustle with me?

0:40:19 > 0:40:22If you fix me a drink, I will come in and clean your bathroom.

0:40:22 > 0:40:26So, is this like a date?

0:40:26 > 0:40:27That's Gloria Grahame.

0:40:27 > 0:40:29Big name in black and white films.

0:40:29 > 0:40:34Proper star, she was.

0:40:34 > 0:40:35I recognise that pout.

0:40:35 > 0:40:37She is often the bad girl.

0:40:37 > 0:40:44It is incredible to look at the number of films

0:40:44 > 0:40:47in which she was hit, which was very common then,

0:40:47 > 0:40:50especially in that period.

0:40:50 > 0:40:52If you were the bad girl, and you were usually

0:40:52 > 0:40:55paired with a bad guy, and if you did the wrong thing,

0:40:55 > 0:40:58he would just give you a smack and she was smacked around a lot

0:40:58 > 0:41:00in those movies which is hard to watch now.

0:41:00 > 0:41:01But she was great.

0:41:01 > 0:41:02That's a nice perfume.

0:41:02 > 0:41:04Something new.

0:41:04 > 0:41:07It attracts mosquitoes and repels men.

0:41:07 > 0:41:08Doesn't work that way with me.

0:41:08 > 0:41:10It's not supposed to.

0:41:10 > 0:41:13And she was smacked around quite a lot in real life,

0:41:13 > 0:41:14medically at any rate.

0:41:14 > 0:41:16She kept going though, that's the extraordinary thing.

0:41:16 > 0:41:18She had a lot of trouble in her private life

0:41:18 > 0:41:20and she just kept going.

0:41:20 > 0:41:21A trooper.

0:41:21 > 0:41:22Yes, exactly.

0:41:22 > 0:41:24She seemed to be a real survivor.

0:41:24 > 0:41:26By the time she was here in England doing plays,

0:41:26 > 0:41:29she had also done some plays in America, tiny

0:41:29 > 0:41:30theatres in the midwest.

0:41:30 > 0:41:32She was really having a hard time finding work,

0:41:32 > 0:41:34but she was, she was a trooper.

0:41:34 > 0:41:35She also needed to make a living.

0:41:35 > 0:41:36She had a family.

0:41:36 > 0:41:40She had herself to support.

0:41:40 > 0:41:42Jamie, your character, much, much younger than Gloria,

0:41:42 > 0:41:43falls in love with her.

0:41:43 > 0:41:45What makes him fall in love with her?

0:41:45 > 0:41:47I think a number of things.

0:41:47 > 0:41:52She really sees him for who he is.

0:41:52 > 0:41:54I think he came from a family that was very specific,

0:41:54 > 0:41:57working-class and all the things we associate with that,

0:41:57 > 0:41:58and he wanted to be something different.

0:41:58 > 0:42:02He wanted to be an actor.

0:42:02 > 0:42:06He had a lot of different dreams and ambitions from his family.

0:42:06 > 0:42:08He wanted to get to London, which he did.

0:42:08 > 0:42:11I think she saw him for who he is.

0:42:11 > 0:42:13You are an artist, an actor, I get you.

0:42:13 > 0:42:14I see you.

0:42:14 > 0:42:16I do not think he had really had that before.

0:42:16 > 0:42:18Really understand each other.

0:42:18 > 0:42:21A lovely scene where you are dancing again, dancing on screen.

0:42:21 > 0:42:23That is great, crucial to their relationship.

0:42:23 > 0:42:31Physical clicking that goes on.

0:42:31 > 0:42:33Yeah, it covers three, four scenes, that one scene.

0:42:33 > 0:42:39The awkwardness, the attraction, gets it done in one scene.

0:42:39 > 0:42:42Has anyone ever told you you look like Lauren Bacall when you smoke?

0:42:42 > 0:42:43Yeah, Humphrey Bogart.

0:42:43 > 0:42:44I didn't like it then either.

0:42:44 > 0:42:47Of course, Gloria Grahame won an Oscar, very famous film,

0:42:47 > 0:42:52Bad And The Beautiful, with Kirk Douglas.

0:42:52 > 0:42:55I guess there is a kind of hovering over this because you have been

0:42:55 > 0:42:58nominated four times, you must be sick of being nominated.

0:42:58 > 0:43:00This film has a certain feeling around it.

0:43:00 > 0:43:01Is this the one, do you think?

0:43:01 > 0:43:02I have no idea.

0:43:02 > 0:43:04Out of my control.

0:43:04 > 0:43:08If Gloria Grahame is watching, she might hand it to you.

0:43:08 > 0:43:18The other really extraordinary thing about this film in terms of things

0:43:18 > 0:43:20that films are about, it is about an older woman's

0:43:20 > 0:43:23sexuality which is more or less cut out of most popular culture,

0:43:23 > 0:43:27but she is still a very sexy woman, still determined not to lose that.

0:43:27 > 0:43:29Just talk a little bit about that aspect of the film

0:43:29 > 0:43:30because it is unusual.

0:43:30 > 0:43:33Yeah, of course, that is an obvious subject and a lot of

0:43:33 > 0:43:34people are discussing it.

0:43:34 > 0:43:37I know that when I started in movies when I was in my 30s,

0:43:37 > 0:43:42I routinely was paired with men who were 20 years older.

0:43:42 > 0:43:44My husband is 20 years older than I am and no

0:43:44 > 0:43:46one ever mentioned it.

0:43:46 > 0:43:53It was considered to be normal. Whereas with our film, it is a

0:43:53 > 0:43:58double standard.The other way around.All of us, including women

0:43:58 > 0:44:03of all ages, we like to see characters that are complex, not

0:44:03 > 0:44:10just Herrick, but also people that have frailties and faults. Female

0:44:10 > 0:44:13sexuality is something that continues your whole life and I

0:44:13 > 0:44:18think people tend to forget that. The women who are in our lives do

0:44:18 > 0:44:23not forget but the stories we are told to forget it.One of the people

0:44:23 > 0:44:27behind this film, crucial figure, Barbara Broccoli, a labour of love,

0:44:27 > 0:44:32she takes money from huge blockbusters she makes and puts it

0:44:32 > 0:44:39into films like this. A young, Jim fit English actor, male actor, who

0:44:39 > 0:44:48will be the next Tom 's bond -- James Bond?Good answer!Barbara

0:44:48 > 0:44:53Broccoli, I think most of us agree, she should be president of the world

0:44:53 > 0:44:58or queen of the universe or something. I think there is nothing

0:44:58 > 0:45:02left to say about Harvey Weinstein except to ask, looking back at the

0:45:02 > 0:45:09traditional Hollywood casting couch, is this the tip of the iceberg, do

0:45:09 > 0:45:12you think?The important thing to say is that it is in its old

0:45:12 > 0:45:19businesses and most women have had some experience, either a small not

0:45:19 > 0:45:23very traumatic experience or sadly in the case of a lot of these women

0:45:23 > 0:45:29with Harvey Weinstein, very traumatic extreme experiences. This

0:45:29 > 0:45:33is getting a lot of attention because the women are famous. But

0:45:33 > 0:45:37there are a lot of women who work quietly, cannot just quit their

0:45:37 > 0:45:42jobs. I am talking about women who work in the post office, in hair

0:45:42 > 0:45:53salons, in lawyers' officers. In show business, it is big-band more

0:45:53 > 0:45:59fun to talk about. -- it is big and more fun to talk about. If they do

0:45:59 > 0:46:03talk up, they get fired.Annette Bening, Jamie Bell, thank you very

0:46:03 > 0:46:05much for talking to us.

0:46:05 > 0:46:09Film Stars Don't Die In Liverpool opens on Friday.

0:46:09 > 0:46:12And you can see Gloria Grahame in The Big Heat when it plays

0:46:12 > 0:46:15as one of a number of her classic films coming back to cinemas across

0:46:15 > 0:46:17the country from November 24th.

0:46:17 > 0:46:19It's been another bumpy week for the Government.

0:46:19 > 0:46:20When is it not?

0:46:20 > 0:46:22But Michael Gove, the Environment Secretary,

0:46:22 > 0:46:25has won some plaudits from the green lobby for his determination

0:46:25 > 0:46:26to save the bumble bee.

0:46:26 > 0:46:29We'll come on to that, but there's just a few other things

0:46:29 > 0:46:32we should discuss first.

0:46:32 > 0:46:40I am tempted to call due swampy golf, how does it feel to be fated

0:46:40 > 0:46:43by the left, green lobby?One thing about politics, you can't always

0:46:43 > 0:46:47know who will react well or badly to what you announce the side, look at

0:46:47 > 0:46:51the evidence, make up your mind, deciding your heart what you believe

0:46:51 > 0:46:55is right and take the consequences and sometimes what I have argued for

0:46:55 > 0:46:59in education has inspired negative reaction, some of that inspired

0:46:59 > 0:47:02positive reaction but you have got to believe if you follow the

0:47:02 > 0:47:07evidence and do the right thing ultimately the judge as the country

0:47:07 > 0:47:10in a better position?Let's talk about doing the right thing in

0:47:10 > 0:47:13relation to one of the most important stories today in relation

0:47:13 > 0:47:20to as a means Sakkari Radcliffe, in an Iranian President.What was she

0:47:20 > 0:47:28doing? I don't know. One of the things I want to stress, there is no

0:47:28 > 0:47:39reason why she should be in prison in Iran. -- in and Iranians prison.

0:47:39 > 0:47:44-- Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe. Someone whose plight necessarily

0:47:44 > 0:47:48moves us all.You say you don't know what she was doing, her husband was

0:47:48 > 0:47:53clear she was there on holiday with her child.In that case I take

0:47:53 > 0:47:58exactly her husband's assurance in that regard. Was she training

0:47:58 > 0:48:02journalists? Her husband said she was there on holiday and her husband

0:48:02 > 0:48:06is the person who should know, her family or the people who should be

0:48:06 > 0:48:09in our thoughts at this time but one thing I want to stress about the

0:48:09 > 0:48:13line of questioning you want to go down, I know there is an effort

0:48:13 > 0:48:16somehow to shift attention and direction from who is really at

0:48:16 > 0:48:21fault and it is the Iranians regime, they are the people who jailed her,

0:48:21 > 0:48:25the people upon whom are focus should light and there is no reason,

0:48:25 > 0:48:28excuse or justification for her detention and she should be

0:48:28 > 0:48:32released.And therefore it's very important for our top diplomat and

0:48:32 > 0:48:35representative of this country, Foreign Secretary, to choose his

0:48:35 > 0:48:40words carefully and it comes to this regime. Do you not think it's time

0:48:40 > 0:48:45for Boris Johnson to formally change what he said, he apologised for the

0:48:45 > 0:48:50effect of it, he hasn't changed what he said?I think there is nothing

0:48:50 > 0:48:54the Iranians regime would like more than for the attention to be shifted

0:48:54 > 0:48:59off them on to us and I think we make a big mistake Andrew, if we

0:48:59 > 0:49:03think the right thing to do is blame politicians in a democracy who are

0:49:03 > 0:49:06trying to do the right thing for the applied of a woman who's been

0:49:06 > 0:49:10imprisoned by a regime that is a serial abuser of human rights. Who

0:49:10 > 0:49:17is in the dock? Iran. It should be the actions of the judiciary and

0:49:17 > 0:49:20their Revolutionary guard...With respect, not good enough, the

0:49:20 > 0:49:25judiciary they are using Boris Johnson's words to take her back to

0:49:25 > 0:49:28Court and suggest she will face another five years because of what

0:49:28 > 0:49:33he said. He is part of this story. If the Iranians judiciary want to

0:49:33 > 0:49:37use the words of a Democrat to justify an unjustifiable position it

0:49:37 > 0:49:41is our responsibility to call them out, let's not play their game...

0:49:41 > 0:49:45Those words weren't right, he said he thought she was training

0:49:45 > 0:49:48journalists and that has been grabbed onto by extremist members of

0:49:48 > 0:49:52the Iranians judiciary to put applied into a worse position, that

0:49:52 > 0:49:58is his fault, surely?Whatever we as Democrats choose to do or say

0:49:58 > 0:50:01extremists will exploit for the wrong purpose, we played their game,

0:50:01 > 0:50:05if we point the finger at Democrats who are trying to do the right thing

0:50:05 > 0:50:08when extremists are responsible for the abuse of human rights we should

0:50:08 > 0:50:13burn and resolute in making it clear as a country, across all political

0:50:13 > 0:50:17parties, it's the Iranians who are responsible, in particular the

0:50:17 > 0:50:21Revolutionary guard and the Iranians judiciary.Do you think Boris

0:50:21 > 0:50:26Johnson chose his words carefully?I think you and I and others have a

0:50:26 > 0:50:29responsibility to think carefully about who is really at fault and

0:50:29 > 0:50:33that is the Iranians regime.We can agree they are at fault but we can

0:50:33 > 0:50:37also agree there is a problem here, let me remind you what you said

0:50:37 > 0:50:42about Boris Johnson here...I enjoyed working with him during the

0:50:42 > 0:50:45referendum campaign, I think he has great talents and great abilities

0:50:45 > 0:50:49but you need something else to be Prime Minister, you need to have

0:50:49 > 0:50:53that great, executive at parity, sense of purpose and clarity. I had

0:50:53 > 0:50:58hoped Boris would show that that in the end it was not there.Rip,

0:50:58 > 0:51:00authority, cloudy, still very important if you are Foreign

0:51:00 > 0:51:05Secretary, can you say he has shown those things?I think he's doing a

0:51:05 > 0:51:09great job as Foreign Secretary, I also think the attempt to shift the

0:51:09 > 0:51:15blame away from Iran and onto aid democratic... Not trying to shift

0:51:15 > 0:51:19the blame. I know you are not and you are fairly reflecting Prince of

0:51:19 > 0:51:22opinion here in Westminster and elsewhere but I think it's plain

0:51:22 > 0:51:28wrong for us to try and find fault with Democrats win the

0:51:28 > 0:51:33responsibility is to say to the Iranians regime, you are a serial

0:51:33 > 0:51:37abusers of human rights, state sponsors of terrorism, blood on your

0:51:37 > 0:51:41hands on Syria, your responsibility is to ensure this British citizen is

0:51:41 > 0:51:45at liberty. We played their game, into the hands of the extremists if

0:51:45 > 0:51:48we do anything other than show solidarity in the face of their

0:51:48 > 0:51:55abuse of human rights.Can I suggest Boris Johnson if he cannot be sacked

0:51:55 > 0:51:59for this is now a completely on sack above figure in this government?The

0:51:59 > 0:52:05thing about every member of the government is that we are all there

0:52:05 > 0:52:09because the Prime Minister believes we should be doing a particular job,

0:52:09 > 0:52:13no one is unsackable, we are all there in order to do our job and I

0:52:13 > 0:52:20think Boris is doing a good job as Foreign Secretary. And I think

0:52:20 > 0:52:22critically the countries that wish Citizens Advice very least no good,

0:52:22 > 0:52:26our countries that we should all stand up to collectively together.

0:52:26 > 0:52:32You've made up with him, haven't you? I tried to get on... You went

0:52:32 > 0:52:36for him quite publicly and famously and we had quite an exchange about

0:52:36 > 0:52:41that... We certainly did. We certainly did. There is a member

0:52:41 > 0:52:45repeated in the Mail on Sunday today, the two of you right to

0:52:45 > 0:52:48Theresa May and in that you say we are profoundly worried in some parts

0:52:48 > 0:52:51of government the current preparations are not proceeding with

0:52:51 > 0:52:54anything like sufficient energy. Can you explain what you are worried

0:52:54 > 0:52:59about?I will say two things, I am not going to go into the detail of

0:52:59 > 0:53:04what may or may not have been seen in private correspondence. I've

0:53:04 > 0:53:08helpfully read it out. You have not seen the original letters so I am

0:53:08 > 0:53:12not going to go into what is or what is not in the letter. The business

0:53:12 > 0:53:15of government would grind to a halt that everything in every letter was

0:53:15 > 0:53:20discussed on the show.Let me ask about the sentiment, are you worried

0:53:20 > 0:53:27about the state of Brexit and a new deal?I have a bigger responsibility

0:53:27 > 0:53:31than almost any other domestic minister to make sure we are ready

0:53:31 > 0:53:34for any eventuality and I am not worried but I'm determined to ensure

0:53:34 > 0:53:38that in by under par and which is the area for which I have

0:53:38 > 0:53:42responsibility, we have everything in place for every eventuality. What

0:53:42 > 0:53:46I want, what I believe the country wants, certainly what the Prime

0:53:46 > 0:53:50Minister and the Cabinet want is to secure a good Brexit and that is

0:53:50 > 0:53:53what we are working towards, doing everything we can to secure that you

0:53:53 > 0:53:57but we are also making sure whatever happens in these negotiations,

0:53:57 > 0:54:02Britain can make the best of them. You will have caught a little bit of

0:54:02 > 0:54:07James Dyson, inspiring figure, he says let's just walk away now.I can

0:54:07 > 0:54:11understand his point of view but on this occasion I respectfully

0:54:11 > 0:54:14disagree, I think it's far better for us to be engaged in

0:54:14 > 0:54:18negotiations, I think David Davis is doing a very good job in making sure

0:54:18 > 0:54:21British interests and the wider interests of Europe are respected in

0:54:21 > 0:54:27this process.In this process there is an expectation that Theresa May

0:54:27 > 0:54:31will have to go further with money in order to open trade deal talks

0:54:31 > 0:54:36properly, would you block if she tried to do that?I would not. I

0:54:36 > 0:54:39would not block the Prime Minister in doing what she believes is right.

0:54:39 > 0:54:42We have to make sure when we are negotiating on money or anything

0:54:42 > 0:54:49else we both respect at's interest but also ensures the Prime Minister

0:54:49 > 0:54:53said, no EU country is pocket as the result of decisions we have made and

0:54:53 > 0:54:57the Prime Minister in her Florence speech I think spell bad I'd

0:54:57 > 0:55:00effectively and my view is the Prime Minister and David Davis should be

0:55:00 > 0:55:05given the flexibility they need in order to secure a good deal.You

0:55:05 > 0:55:09know in this programme we love to go back and trawl through quotes and

0:55:09 > 0:55:14put them to people, I have tried really hard, all the way through the

0:55:14 > 0:55:16referendum campaign, looking for quotes from Michael Gove which said

0:55:16 > 0:55:22and by the way, we will pay £20 billion and I can't find those

0:55:22 > 0:55:28courts. Because you didn't tell people, did you?During the

0:55:28 > 0:55:30referendum campaign I was interviewed on lots of shows

0:55:30 > 0:55:34including this one I think and one of the points I made at the end of

0:55:34 > 0:55:38this process, we will have taken back control of money and our law.

0:55:38 > 0:55:42The critical thing about this negotiation is to make sure we pay a

0:55:42 > 0:55:46sum to cover our obligations and once we had paid that as the prime

0:55:46 > 0:55:49ministers said, we won't pay any membership fee for the EU any more.

0:55:49 > 0:55:55When Simon Stevens said from the NHS we need a 350 million quid a week,

0:55:55 > 0:56:01is he going to get it and when? Simon Stevens is a good case for

0:56:01 > 0:56:05increased funding in the NHS which I have always supported, I think the

0:56:05 > 0:56:11sum mentioned we discussed in the past... And the Sun mentioned? £350

0:56:11 > 0:56:16million, that is the gross figure the European Union controls every

0:56:16 > 0:56:19week, once we are out of the European Union we can then decide

0:56:19 > 0:56:24how we spend that Ronnie and I think, as Jeremy Hunt said last week

0:56:24 > 0:56:27I would like to see a significant slice of that money. Once we have

0:56:27 > 0:56:31let go to the NHS but ultimately it's for the Prime Minister and

0:56:31 > 0:56:35Chancellor to decide.That come to your own department, you announced a

0:56:35 > 0:56:39new body to oversee environmental protection after we leave the EU, in

0:56:39 > 0:56:43your article you come quite close to suggesting there are some things the

0:56:43 > 0:56:46EU has done rather well.I think it's only there to say there are

0:56:46 > 0:56:50some things that have happened while we have in the EU that are good. If

0:56:50 > 0:56:55one looks at the EU record on the environment there are balancing

0:56:55 > 0:56:58items, on the common agricultural policy and fisheries policy I think

0:56:58 > 0:57:02they got things wrong but the European Commission and some of the

0:57:02 > 0:57:05direct as it hasn't forced our good things. Some of those direct this

0:57:05 > 0:57:09had been altered by British politicians, the habitats directive

0:57:09 > 0:57:16was the product of Boris Johnson's father Stanley and it's been a

0:57:16 > 0:57:18British politician working internationally to achieve something

0:57:18 > 0:57:22worthwhile for the whole world.Some people who supported Brexit might be

0:57:22 > 0:57:27surprised cos they think the point about Exodus Parliamentary

0:57:27 > 0:57:29sovereignty, make parliament in charge of everything and already,

0:57:29 > 0:57:35even before we left, you create a new bureaucracy outside Parliament,

0:57:35 > 0:57:39why is it necessary?I think it's a mistake to think parliament should

0:57:39 > 0:57:42do everything, the point about democracy is that you have a balance

0:57:42 > 0:57:46of institutions and in the article I wrote in the Sunday Telegraph, I

0:57:46 > 0:57:51made the point that it plays an even more important role, it's the case

0:57:51 > 0:57:55that judiciary will play an important role because of judicial

0:57:55 > 0:57:59review, we need to go further and we need to recognise there are

0:57:59 > 0:58:02institutions at arms length from government, properly independent

0:58:02 > 0:58:07that can play a role in making sure citizens get the justice they

0:58:07 > 0:58:09deserve and in particular, the environment gets the protection it

0:58:09 > 0:58:14deserves.UCB will have better environmental protections when

0:58:14 > 0:58:20really the EU but is there not as Galbraith put it, a counterforce,

0:58:20 > 0:58:24that we have to change our regulatory regime to get the best

0:58:24 > 0:58:28kind of deal, that we need with the US, lowers standards in some areas,

0:58:28 > 0:58:33not higher?I've been clear and Liam Fox has been clear, while we want a

0:58:33 > 0:58:36trade deal with the United States won't lower environmental or animal

0:58:36 > 0:58:41welfare standards. Free trade is a good thing but it founders on the

0:58:41 > 0:58:46rocks of public opinion if people try to use it as a Trojan horse if

0:58:46 > 0:58:49such a thing can founder on rocks for lowering environmental

0:58:49 > 0:58:54protection, we are not going there. Can I ask about the practical effect

0:58:54 > 0:58:57of all of this, for changes in the British countryside do you want to

0:58:57 > 0:59:02see after we leave the EU? How will things look different, better

0:59:02 > 0:59:08hedgerows, more organic farming, Woodlands, what is your picture the

0:59:08 > 0:59:11British countryside after we leave? All of the above, what I firstly

0:59:11 > 0:59:15would like to see is more trees, we have a determination to ensure over

0:59:15 > 0:59:19the course of the next few years we planned 11 million more trees in our

0:59:19 > 0:59:24country, we also want to see a growth of the sorts of habitat that

0:59:24 > 0:59:28encourage a wider range of species, I want to see the number of farmland

0:59:28 > 0:59:31birds increase, the number of species on the verge of extinction

0:59:31 > 0:59:35and endanger return in all the numbers and I want us to help

0:59:35 > 0:59:40support farmers to produce food in a sustainable and productive way. It

0:59:40 > 0:59:44doesn't mean everyone has to go organic...Your colleague

0:59:44 > 0:59:47Christopher Grayling said if we left after no deal one of the things we

0:59:47 > 0:59:51would have to do is grow more food in this country, presumably your

0:59:51 > 0:59:55department which is well prepared as planning for that?It's not the case

0:59:55 > 0:59:59the department grows its own food but it is the case the British

0:59:59 > 1:00:02farmers are the best in the world, adaptable, ready to cope with

1:00:02 > 1:00:07different scenarios, it's our job to help them but a critical thing is, I

1:00:07 > 1:00:13expect British food... Dig for victory? British food will be in

1:00:13 > 1:00:17increasingly in demand worldwide, the trend overall globally is

1:00:17 > 1:00:20towards greater quality and British food is in the best position,

1:00:20 > 1:00:23British farmers in the best position to meet that demand for the highest

1:00:23 > 1:00:28quality.We are running out of time, can I ask you something that

1:00:28 > 1:00:34Siddique Khan said, we need a new clean air act in this country, and

1:00:34 > 1:00:39we need a new regime for diesel and petrol cars.I won't get into the

1:00:39 > 1:00:44budget, the Chancellor would chew my ear off if I tried to speculate what

1:00:44 > 1:00:51would be in at but we have tried to bring forward electric cars, bring

1:00:51 > 1:00:57forward cars... There will be more that we will announce, what we need

1:00:57 > 1:01:04is cleaner action, not a clean air act. -- one.Virtually everything we

1:01:04 > 1:01:08think of at the moment, as a car, is going to go, then people are

1:01:08 > 1:01:13thinking about their next car should they think about buying electric?I

1:01:13 > 1:01:18would like to encourage people to buy electric or hybrid. Do you drive

1:01:18 > 1:01:23an electric car? I don't at the moment, my wife who writes, I won't

1:01:23 > 1:01:27go into what she writes about, she reviewed an electric car, fantastic.

1:01:27 > 1:01:31I recognise what we need to do is bring down the cost, they are not

1:01:31 > 1:01:36within everyone's budget, the purpose behind setting a regulatory

1:01:36 > 1:01:42timetable is giving people time to adjust. Michael Gove, thank you.

1:01:42 > 1:01:45The National Trust has seen a huge rise in its membership, with more

1:01:45 > 1:01:47people visiting its properties than ever before.

1:01:47 > 1:01:5024 million last year paid to see historic houses and gardens.

1:01:50 > 1:01:52But the Trust has been embroiled in controversy -

1:01:52 > 1:01:53accused by some of being politicised, anti-Brexit

1:01:53 > 1:01:55and anti-fracking.

1:01:55 > 1:01:57I caught up with the National Trust's chairman, Tim Parker,

1:01:57 > 1:02:01at Sandham Memorial Chapel, where the artist Stanley Spencer

1:02:01 > 1:02:05created a spectacular series of murals about life in wartime.

1:02:05 > 1:02:10Tim Parker explained their unique significance.

1:02:10 > 1:02:13What's unusual about a resurrection type of picture is that

1:02:13 > 1:02:16Christ isn't prominent.

1:02:16 > 1:02:20It really is the soldiers who fill this space and the notion

1:02:20 > 1:02:26that, at some point, they will get their just reward

1:02:26 > 1:02:30and they will be able to carry on doing what they have always done,

1:02:30 > 1:02:31the everyday things in life.

1:02:31 > 1:02:34Spencer spent the war as an orderly in a hospital

1:02:34 > 1:02:37in Bristol and then later on, in Macedonia, he

1:02:37 > 1:02:41joined the infantry.

1:02:41 > 1:02:44These paintings show all sorts of small everyday aspects

1:02:44 > 1:02:46of the First World War, the kind of things

1:02:46 > 1:02:49we are not used to.

1:02:49 > 1:02:51It is not trenches, it is not heroics, machine guns or artillery.

1:02:51 > 1:02:55It is map reading, showering, bread-and-butter, the day-to-day

1:02:55 > 1:02:58stuff of a long and boring period.

1:02:58 > 1:03:02It was and I think a lot of people's experience of war was a sort

1:03:02 > 1:03:06of combination of very short bouts of intense pressure and risk

1:03:06 > 1:03:12and danger, punctuated with long stretches of just living life under

1:03:12 > 1:03:16these very constrained circumstances.

1:03:16 > 1:03:18And you would expect a chapel of paintings

1:03:18 > 1:03:22about the First World War to be a depressing and gloomy place,

1:03:22 > 1:03:24but they are full of hope, these paintings, aren't they?

1:03:24 > 1:03:27They are full of hope and I think it is remarkable when you read

1:03:27 > 1:03:33the writings of people who were in the trenches,

1:03:33 > 1:03:36who endured a lot of the fighting in the First World War,

1:03:36 > 1:03:39human beings always have hope, it is the antidote to the horror

1:03:39 > 1:03:43and the carnage and the terrible aspects of any point in life.

1:03:43 > 1:03:45It is almost like there is an equilibrating kind

1:03:45 > 1:03:47of mechanism in human beings.

1:03:47 > 1:03:51If you love English paintings, then Sandham Memorial Chapel

1:03:51 > 1:03:53in Hampshire is a place you absolutely have to come

1:03:53 > 1:03:54and see for yourself.

1:03:54 > 1:03:57This is a unique, coherent work of art.

1:03:57 > 1:04:00There is nothing quite like it, I think, anywhere in Britain.

1:04:00 > 1:04:03So we would love to welcome more visitors here.

1:04:03 > 1:04:05I guess, as the man in charge of the National Trust,

1:04:05 > 1:04:10you are aware of the criticism that the National Trust,

1:04:10 > 1:04:13despite its huge success, is not spending enough time really

1:04:13 > 1:04:15thinking about looking after its monuments and is spending

1:04:15 > 1:04:18too much time playing politics.

1:04:18 > 1:04:24We are always subject to criticisms, I think, and the general one might

1:04:24 > 1:04:26be Disneyfication and we're not taking seriously some of these

1:04:26 > 1:04:28things and I can assure you that we are.

1:04:28 > 1:04:35We have just doubled the number of curators at the Trust.

1:04:35 > 1:04:39I don't think our research budget has ever been higher. Occasionally,

1:04:39 > 1:04:48there are slightly more, I would say, riskier interpretations which

1:04:48 > 1:04:51tend to draw the criticism and the impression we are somehow changing

1:04:51 > 1:04:57the quality of what we present, but it certainly is not true.Some

1:04:57 > 1:05:00specifics, in terms of other rituals, you have been very

1:05:00 > 1:05:08forthright talking against fracking and Brexit. -- other issues. Is it

1:05:08 > 1:05:13appropriate for an organisation like National Trust to have an opinion on

1:05:13 > 1:05:18something like Brexit?We have members encompassing many views, we

1:05:18 > 1:05:22are a broad church. We are interested in where Brexit affects

1:05:22 > 1:05:28policy. We have spoken about the impact of Brexit on farming and the

1:05:28 > 1:05:33potential impact of Brexit on funding for heritage. But that is

1:05:33 > 1:05:37our core business.It gives you a great deal of power. Let me read to

1:05:37 > 1:05:40you what John Patten said in the House of Lords, probably familiar

1:05:40 > 1:05:45with it. He said, the National Trust has set off on a totally new course

1:05:45 > 1:05:48with its additional lobbying activity producing a new and

1:05:48 > 1:05:53positive blizzard of lobbying and a maelstrom of demands and advice for

1:05:53 > 1:06:00first Brexit.He is entitled to his opinion but I can assure you that

1:06:00 > 1:06:05the Trust campaigns for one thing and that is conservation and where

1:06:05 > 1:06:10we see our conservation agenda abutting other policy areas, we will

1:06:10 > 1:06:15take a view. We have not become a climate change campaigning

1:06:15 > 1:06:19organisation. We have not become a campaigning organisation for

1:06:19 > 1:06:26re-wilding. We seek to protect nature and look after our English

1:06:26 > 1:06:29Heritage.The controversy recently about one of your properties where

1:06:29 > 1:06:37the members were asked to work gay pride insignia. In Norfolk. The

1:06:37 > 1:06:43original owner of the whole was outed after his death as being a gay

1:06:43 > 1:06:48man which offended a lot of his family.We have chosen at one or two

1:06:48 > 1:06:52properties to show the contribution of people from the LGBTQ community.

1:06:52 > 1:07:00We also had a slight disagreement over presentation. With hindsight,

1:07:00 > 1:07:04perhaps we might have executed it with more fleet of foot. But our

1:07:04 > 1:07:08intentions were honourable and that is to try to make our organisation

1:07:08 > 1:07:11more inclusive and occasionally when you get into that territory, you do

1:07:11 > 1:07:17cause offence to some people. We are not here to inflict some kind of

1:07:17 > 1:07:21political correct requirements on people. We are here to be a broad

1:07:21 > 1:07:25church.If you go to a lot of National Trust properties, you do

1:07:25 > 1:07:30not see many black, Asian faces. You see a very traditional rather

1:07:30 > 1:07:34elderly white clientele.Are you concerned about that? We are

1:07:34 > 1:07:37concerned to make sure we have a broad or audience and we are trying

1:07:37 > 1:07:42very hard to make sure everyone feels welcome at an National Trust

1:07:42 > 1:07:47property. It is not going to be instantaneous that you do not find

1:07:47 > 1:07:52the median National Trust member is not 50 and white and whatever it is,

1:07:52 > 1:07:57but we are trying very hard to get people from every kind of community.

1:07:57 > 1:08:01Whilst a stately home might not be everyone's cup of tea, everyone

1:08:01 > 1:08:09loves Gardens, green spaces. Everyone loves Stanley Spencer, or

1:08:09 > 1:08:15they ought to!I am trying to get people away from their screens to go

1:08:15 > 1:08:21and see real beauty and it cuts across every age, every community,

1:08:21 > 1:08:24every colour, every class, everybody has a need for beauty and that is

1:08:24 > 1:08:30what we are here for.Thank you very much for talking to us.

1:08:30 > 1:08:32Year after year on Remembrance Sunday, we talk to the head

1:08:32 > 1:08:35of the armed services and we're often discussing a future

1:08:35 > 1:08:37of cuts and reductions.

1:08:37 > 1:08:39Well, in 2017, it's Air Marshal Sir Stuart Peach

1:08:39 > 1:08:43and the topic, I regret to say, is the same as ever.

1:08:43 > 1:08:45I spoke to the Chief of the Defence Staff earlier.

1:08:45 > 1:08:49I began by asking him how he might explain

1:08:49 > 1:08:52the importance of today to, for example, a teenager at home

1:08:52 > 1:08:54watching the commemoration on TV with little knowledge

1:08:54 > 1:08:58of the history involved.

1:08:58 > 1:09:05Today we marked and remember over 1 million British and Commonwealth

1:09:05 > 1:09:10soldiers who died in both world wars. It is about remembering the

1:09:10 > 1:09:14sacrifice they made. So that we can enjoy the freedom and liberty we

1:09:14 > 1:09:17have today. It is also very important for that person to

1:09:17 > 1:09:24understand that this is also about reconciliation. Nations move on.

1:09:24 > 1:09:30Nations remember together and then they also understand why

1:09:30 > 1:09:33reconciliation matters. This is a very important day to remember and

1:09:33 > 1:09:40think about how nations went to war and to try to understand what it

1:09:40 > 1:09:45meant.Can I ask about the army today, is it big enough?It is a

1:09:45 > 1:09:50total force and we need to remember that in our conversations. It is a

1:09:50 > 1:09:55combination of the regular Armed Forces, the soldiers that join

1:09:55 > 1:09:59full-time, the reserve is, volunteer reservists.Let us talk about both.

1:09:59 > 1:10:03In terms of the full-time army, is it big enough?The Army is big

1:10:03 > 1:10:08enough to do the tasks we give it. I would be wrong to say we do not have

1:10:08 > 1:10:13an issue with recruiting.The reason I ask is year after year, I have

1:10:13 > 1:10:17talked to people in your position, and defence secretaries, and they

1:10:17 > 1:10:20have promised people watching this programme that the regular Army is

1:10:20 > 1:10:26not going to fall below 82,000, the absolute floor.Where is it now? It

1:10:26 > 1:10:38is below that number now?70 8000. 13,000 have joined this year. Many

1:10:38 > 1:10:42people have decided to stay in the Army this year and it is a total

1:10:42 > 1:10:46force of regular and reserves and the volunteer reserves...Also below

1:10:46 > 1:10:51your target.It is growing very rapidly and it is very important we

1:10:51 > 1:10:55understand there are many opportunities for the people of

1:10:55 > 1:11:00Britain to serve as regulars and reserves to provide the total force.

1:11:00 > 1:11:03The Defence Select Committee, experts, they say, we do not believe

1:11:03 > 1:11:09the figure of less than 80,000 is adequate to counter a sudden

1:11:09 > 1:11:14unexpected threat. Are they right?I do not think they are right. The

1:11:14 > 1:11:17total force... You mentioned the word threat. What we need to

1:11:17 > 1:11:21understand is the Armed Forces need to evolve that the threats we face.

1:11:21 > 1:11:28The threats we face now are really serious, dark world out there.We

1:11:28 > 1:11:32have... Sorry to interrupt, in this dark world, 4000 below what we were

1:11:32 > 1:11:37told was the floor level of soldiers, how much further can we

1:11:37 > 1:11:45keep falling?We are 4000 below, a matter of public record, and we are

1:11:45 > 1:11:48doing all we can to improve the offer and make sure people

1:11:48 > 1:11:50understand the opportunities presented by service. The threat we

1:11:50 > 1:11:55face requires us to think about that threat carefully and manage it for

1:11:55 > 1:11:59the safety and security of the British people. That takes many

1:11:59 > 1:12:05forms. There are many new forms of threat such as cyber as well as

1:12:05 > 1:12:08traditional state on state threats. Talking about recruitment, are the

1:12:08 > 1:12:13Army paid enough?The pay issue was subject to the pay review body who

1:12:13 > 1:12:17are in the process of gathering evidence.Soldiers getting 1%, many

1:12:17 > 1:12:23other public sector workers getting 2-3%. Are they paid enough, in your

1:12:23 > 1:12:29view, speaking for the Army?We do not see in our consultations with

1:12:29 > 1:12:35our own people pay at the top of the list of their concerns. It is not

1:12:35 > 1:12:39just about paid, it is also about the total offer, the enjoyment

1:12:39 > 1:12:44factor of being a member of the Armed Forces, a very serious and

1:12:44 > 1:12:48important profession.Looking ahead, Sir Michael Fallon, former Defence

1:12:48 > 1:12:53Secretary, said Britain had to spend more than 2% extra per year on the

1:12:53 > 1:12:59Armed Forces, was he right?We spent over 2% now, again a matter of

1:12:59 > 1:13:04public record. That 2%, my job on it is not to argue in political

1:13:04 > 1:13:08circles, my job is to make sure that the money the Government allocates

1:13:08 > 1:13:14is spent wisely and effectively. And is matched to the threats we face.

1:13:14 > 1:13:20And you have at the moment a £20 billion hole to fill in some way.

1:13:20 > 1:13:23The Armed Forces are wondering how it will be filled, what will go,

1:13:23 > 1:13:31suggestions HMS Bulwark and HMS Albion are two amphibious support

1:13:31 > 1:13:34ships, Marines that threat, which worries the Americans and other

1:13:34 > 1:13:42allies.. The threats we face have evolved. We had a national security

1:13:42 > 1:13:48review in 2015. The national security strategy was right. The

1:13:48 > 1:13:52problem is many of those threats have got worse. Therefore, we need

1:13:52 > 1:13:58to understand how they have got worse, why they have, develop a

1:13:58 > 1:14:02national security capability review to match the new threats.The

1:14:02 > 1:14:05Marines and the amphibious force, one of the things we were always

1:14:05 > 1:14:11best at, our allies admired it about the British Armed Forces. A threat

1:14:11 > 1:14:16to that worries a lot of people watching the programme.Of course,

1:14:16 > 1:14:20both inside and outside. But we are making a significant contribution to

1:14:20 > 1:14:27Nato. Right now, we have almost 10,000 members of the Armed Forces

1:14:27 > 1:14:30supporting Nato directly. It has increased in response to the threats

1:14:30 > 1:14:37we face. We are growing our cyber capabilities. Twice this year, as a

1:14:37 > 1:14:39result of terrible tragedies in Manchester and London, we have

1:14:39 > 1:14:44deployed the Armed Forces on the streets of Britain as part of our

1:14:44 > 1:14:48response to national security.Sir Michael understood those things, can

1:14:48 > 1:14:53I ask you about Gavin Williamson, you must have spoken to him, how

1:14:53 > 1:14:55much about difference does he understand?He the Secretary of

1:14:55 > 1:15:02State. The very important thing is the UK Armed Forces are under

1:15:02 > 1:15:05civilian control. I have already engaged with the Secretary of State

1:15:05 > 1:15:10a number of times and we will continue to do so. It is not a

1:15:10 > 1:15:14question about the Secretary of State's experience, it is about him

1:15:14 > 1:15:18being the Secretary of State and us working for him.Is he tough enough

1:15:18 > 1:15:24to fight for the MOD inside Cabinet, do you think?The Secretary of State

1:15:24 > 1:15:29is our boss and we support him in understanding the world we are in,

1:15:29 > 1:15:34how we must respond to it, both with allies and on our own, and this

1:15:34 > 1:15:42important point about the North Atlantic treaty organisation, the

1:15:42 > 1:15:45very first priority the Secretary of State made was to visit Nato as part

1:15:45 > 1:15:48of a defence ministers meeting and as the Secretary General of Nato

1:15:48 > 1:15:53made clear on Thursday, the UK is a leading member of the alliance and

1:15:53 > 1:15:57the Secretary of State is leading that armed force.Sir Stuart Peach,

1:15:57 > 1:16:09on this very solemn day, thank you for joining us. Thank you to all of

1:16:09 > 1:16:12my guests.

1:16:12 > 1:16:14Before we hand over to the National Service of Remembrance,

1:16:14 > 1:16:16we'll leave you with some very fitting music.

1:16:16 > 1:16:19One of our finest baritones is here to perform a musical version

1:16:19 > 1:16:22of a work from A Shropshire Lad by the great AE Housman.

1:16:22 > 1:16:24It finishes with the line, "The lads that will die

1:16:24 > 1:16:26in their glory and never be old."

1:16:26 > 1:16:29Accompanied by Joseph Middleton on piano, here is Duncan Rock

1:16:29 > 1:16:31and The Lads in Their Hundreds.

1:16:31 > 1:16:33Until next week, goodbye.

1:16:37 > 1:16:40# The lads in their hundreds to Ludlow come in for the fair.

1:16:40 > 1:16:46# There's men from the barn and the forge and the mill and the fold.

1:16:46 > 1:16:52# The lads for the girls and the lads for the liquor are there.

1:16:52 > 1:17:01# And there with the rest are the lads that will never be old.

1:17:04 > 1:17:06# There's chaps from the town and the field

1:17:06 > 1:17:09and the till and the cart.

1:17:09 > 1:17:16# And many to count are the stalwart, and many the brave.

1:17:16 > 1:17:24# And many the handsome of face and the handsome of heart.

1:17:24 > 1:17:32# And few that will carry their looks or their truth to the grave.

1:17:35 > 1:17:40# I wish one could know them, I wish there were tokens to tell.

1:17:40 > 1:17:46# The fortunate fellows that now you can never discern.

1:17:46 > 1:17:53# And then one could talk with them friendly and wish them farewell.

1:17:53 > 1:18:03# And watch them depart on the way that they will not return.

1:18:06 > 1:18:11# But now you may stare as you like and there's nothing to scan.

1:18:11 > 1:18:20# And brushing your elbow unguessed-at and not to be told.

1:18:20 > 1:18:25# They carry back bright to the coiner the mintage of man.

1:18:25 > 1:18:34# The lads that will die in their glory and never be old.#